March 1, 2024 • 38 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Brian Noe is in for Chris, and he and Rob explain why LeBron James eclipsing 40,000 career points wont’ change the way folks view him in the all-time rankings and tell us about their favorite cities to live in. Plus, former NFL scout and author Daniel Kelly swings by to discuss why he has Caleb Williams as a 4th round NFL prospect, who he has as the top-ranked NFL quarterback prospect and much more!
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little Brian No, Brian, any big plans for the weekend?
(01:15):
Anything going on your way?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Man?
Speaker 6 (01:19):
I got to do a couple of shifts. I was
looking at possibly moving Rob, Where are you gonna move?
We were thinking about possibly New Orleans, but it's probably
not gonna happen right now, So staying but in Illinois
maybe for a month or the better part of the.
Speaker 7 (01:33):
Next month, and then maybe. Yeah, craziness.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
It was high maintenance issues, kind of like Cayleb Williams dad,
and so it fell through.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
Okay, push that back.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I understand. I'm on my way to Arizona for a
little spring training. Oh yeah, we'll go check out the
Brewers tomorrow and the Dodgers on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (01:53):
How many games are the Brewers gonna win? Like sixty eight?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, I don't know, a good question.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
It might be a little rough this year.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, I'm gonna go see Devin Williams, who won the
inaugural Picture of the Year for MLB bro the Bob
Gibson Award, So I'm gonna go check him out.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
And Mookie Betts won the Player of the Year for
mlbbro dot com.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
So that's why I'm going out talk to some players,
get some sound, some video and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7 (02:20):
So very cool. Have you gone before, I'm assuming you have.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yes, I've been, you know, mostly to Florida, I've never
actually been to Arizona for spring training, but when I
covered baseball, you know a lot of Florida.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
That's cool, man, if you enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So I'm looking forward to it. But let's get into
some NBA. Let's do this and do we have sound
on Lebron rob g Oh no, no?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Sound? Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
So we talked about this earlier, about the forty thousand points.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
You know, I don't. I'm not here. I'm not trying
to bash him forgetting that. You know, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
But I think everything there has to be contexts, and
a lot of it has to do with It's a
longevity thing, don't don't you without being when I'm being
mean spirited, it's a longevity thing.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Played a long time. Yeah, yeah, he's played an incredibly
long time. I don't think it, but I don't think
it changes anything to me. All it does.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
For the people who believe that he's the goat or
he's that guy. It's one thing niggas say, well, he's
got forty thousand points.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Oh, you know, he won the in season tournament.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Oh, his son's gonna be drafted in the NBA, NBA draft,
you know, or whatever it is. To try to cover
up the six finals losses and that he only has
four and he had to put together a dream team
in order to win the three he won. I'm just saying,
like or the other two I should say, but you
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get my point. If you're a Lebron, I'm a person
or a fan or whatever. You want, a minion, you
love it because it's something else you could use to
push back on Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, now I hear you.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
I think whatever side you are on, like you're dug
in like forty thousand is not gonna I put it
this way.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
They're like, Michael Jordan played thirteen years, what do we
he played twenty?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Right?
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Really, if your team, Jordan, you're not all of a
sudden gonna say, you know, I got to reevaluate now
that Lebron has reached forty thousand points, it's not gonna
go down like that. It's impressive, rob Listen, longevity means
a lot. For him to be around this long is
incredibly impressive. He's still playing at a very high but
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forty years old.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Here's a scary part though, If he plays three more years,
right and he has and doesn't win again, is winning
four championships in twenty three. Do you see what I'm saying? Like,
it doesn't that doesn't feel special? Do you think that's special?
Speaker 6 (05:00):
It's Well, the problem is he's compared to MJ the
whole time. So when you're comparing him to Jordan who was,
you know he's perfect in the finals, never lost when
he's chasing as he said that ghost in Chicago, When
that's the comparison, Like, no, it doesn't feel like it's
(05:22):
more special. And that's the real conversation. Sure, that's special
to do what he's done. He's had an incredibly special career.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
No doubt, no one would. And people always say, oh,
you hate Lebron? What I think?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
He's the second best player of all time? How do
I hate a guy I'm not like Paul Pierce or
some of these former players who have him tenth or
eleventh or not in their top ten. Like that's what
is some sort of bias?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Right?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
If you could honestly look at his career, the all
time leading scorer or whatever and say not in your
top ten, Come on, man, you lose credibility even if
you play in the league.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I get it, and I'm with you. The thing I
did rob Is.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
We've gotten to a place now where anything that sounds
slightly critical it's taken as you're just outright hated, right
bashing this guy.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I get it all the time, as I just said,
And if I didn't, if I did have a rub
against Lebrono, so would I rate him second behind Michael Joe.
I don't think that's an insult.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
But it just feels like you're disarming a bomb if
you're talking about longevity in a slightly critical way, where
I think of it the same way. He's a scoring compiler,
and that sounds incredibly negative.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I don't mean it that way at all.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
But I just simply look at Jordan won ten scoring
titles in a row. Lebron won one. You know, so
he's scored. He's gonna get to forty thousand points. Nobody
has done that. It's a longevity thing, and hats off
to him for being in the league, in play at
that high of a level for so long. That means
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a ton. I think compiler is the new system quarterback,
you know what I mean? Like it's always taken as
a negative, and it's not always meant that way. I
don't mean it as a negative. As negative as it
sounds that he's a scoring compiler, but that's what he is.
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He's not a guy that won ten scoring titles like MJ.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
He won one.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
So it's impressive that he's scored so much over that
period of time, but he hasn't been one of these
elite scorers. And I think a lot of people just
look at, hey, forty thousand points, he's the only guy.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
To do it. He's an elite scorer.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
No, he's not right that.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I think you're one hundred spot on. And it's not
to rain on his parade. It's just I just think
you have to have context everything. And there are awards
that people win just based on longevity, right for playing
a long time.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Don't you look that? Why do is a thing called
scoring average? Right? Like that's the great equalizer?
Speaker 7 (08:05):
It is you speaking your baseball language.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Rob A lot of people through this out with Craig Bigio,
remember the Astros, And he's a compiler, and it's always
talked about as a negative, and it shouldn't be like that.
If you can compile numbers like Lebron has done for
as long as he's been in the NBA, you take
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that every time. If you're an NBA franchise. That's nothing
to just like shrug your shoulders at. But I don't
know how we can turn compiling into a positive. I
think the damage has been done and it's always taken
as a negative. I don't mean it as a negative
at all.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Not no, not at all. It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
But I think I just think you gotta be careful.
It's not And this is the other thing they always say, Uh, well,
if it's about Michael Jordan and the rings, then Bill
Russells the goat or you know, like like, no, it's
not just the ring count. You just said that he
won ten state straight scoring titles, right, I mean, come on, man,
(09:10):
there's a lot of other stuff. He was a defensive player,
he won defensive player awards. He did way more than that.
And and oh well, he didn't win until Scotty Pippen
showed up.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And I said this all the time.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
If Scotty Pippen was that guy, how did he not
win one finals MVP? He doesn't automatically go to Michael Jordan, right.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Right, Well, and you also said something Rob where you
gotta be careful. I think there's a lot of talk
and it's just gaining traction now where we're throwing out hey, uh,
it's Lebron on that juice over there, like come on, man,
you gotta have some proof.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Is just willy nilly throwing it around like That's.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Why I wouldn't even entertain it because I'm not in
that camp. I think that that's hurtful and uh and
if you don't have you if if somebody has something
to show you know what I mean, and some facts,
that's one thing. But I just will never ever get
involved in just throwing out stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Well I know.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
It just reminds me of remember when this happened in
football with Adrian Peterson where there were some whispers of like,
hey man, is he on peds? And he had a great,
great response where he was like, I take that as
a compliment I'm doing. I'm playing at such a high
level you think that I'm on roids or whatever. In
(10:31):
order again to he just laughed it off. That was
the best way to handle it. But I think the
same is true with Lebron. I think it's a compliment.
People have not seen someone play at this level at
that age, and they immediately run to is he on peds?
Speaker 7 (10:49):
I really do.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
I think it's a hidden compliment where it just shows
you that Lebron is doing something that really is unprecedented
to play at this level at that age, and no
one has done.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
And he's put in the work right, he works extremely
hard to keep in shape and body, and they've always
said he pays what a million dollars a year in
order to train and whatnot, and it shows and he's
in unbelievable shape, you know, not defending anybody, but he
still can play man, There's no.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Doubt about it.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
I'll tell you what, Rob, I shouldn't even say this,
but I will. Can you imagine the Team Jordan people
what their reaction would be if there was ever any
truth to the veed stuff?
Speaker 7 (11:33):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Oh God, could you imagine the conversations that would be
had if that were the case.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
It would be crazy, all right?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
But here we are eight seven, seven ninety nine on
Fox eight seven seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Would Lebron James cracking forty thousand career points change the
way you view him all time? It's a real simple question.
Would it change just how you view him?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Did you? Would you move him up would you move
them over, Jordan? How would you view.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Them in that situation? But we'll continue that conversation next
with you. It is a funky flashback Friday, Rob Parker
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ninety nine. On Fox. We're just talking about Lebron James
getting a forty thousand and what it would mean. Would
it elevate him in your mind? Would it make him
the goat with all the other stuff that he's done
in his career or No, Brian, it just keeps him
the same. It doesn't do anything. It just says that
he's been able to play a long time and be
(13:52):
productive for a long time. So I'm sure people want
to jump in eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
By the way, r if you think about it from
this standpoint too, where would you put that accomplishment among
his other accomplishments, right, whether it's individual, whether it's team wise,
coming back from a three to one deficit, being the
top scorer in the game, Like, where would you put
forty thousand among anything else that he's accomplished?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Probably top three all time leading scorer though to me
is enough, you know what I mean? I don't need
a number on it. All time leaders score, on NBA history.
That is that not good enough?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I know?
Speaker 7 (14:32):
Right, Like we're just right kind of adding something to that.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Right, that's really what it does. Right, You're already top dog.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Right, Yeah, it'd be like if it's quarterback passing yards.
Once you're the top guy, does it matter that you've
gotten to eighty five thousand or ninety thousand, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
As long as your number one, I think that's what
matters most, right.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I agree. I think that's all we could stop there.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
Yeah, no doubt. Are you big into the combine? By
the way, Rob, real fast?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Are you dog?
Speaker 6 (15:07):
And doing like the offensive lineman on Sunday to close
the deal?
Speaker 9 (15:12):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yeah, I never missed the combine. I never watch it,
so I never miss it.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Okay, let's get to Lebron over here. We've got Tony
in LA. He's on the odd couple. What's going on, ton.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Tony? Hold on?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
We got anything? He pot it up? Okay, I just
heard them all. We lost him. I go to the
next one.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Bar.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
Okay, we got Ken. He's over in Stockton. You've been
to Stockton, California?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
There, I have not been to Stockton. Ken's in Stockton,
The Odd Couple.
Speaker 10 (15:44):
Damn Brian is Ken, I'm gonna give a d strap
for prison. No man, old dog brother, I missed the
NTA one.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
Man.
Speaker 10 (15:51):
Ain't gonna entertain the thought about Lebron Man. He's either
one or two and that's all that matters. I don't
care about pecause they can't. But I ain't gonna entertain
the thought Barry Bonds. It was the first time all time,
and that's all I'm gonna say. But my friends gonna
say bulldogs. They can go tom and on with this
new and she ain't hand over fears.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Who can't make it?
Speaker 10 (16:12):
Man, you don't never make it.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
They never thank you.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I love your passion. I don't know what you're talking about,
but I love it you. But he was all over
the place, dre Is in Michigan. It was like mayonnaise
all over the place on the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
What's going on?
Speaker 11 (16:26):
Dre on, Mister Parker, miss to know how y'all doing
on this Friday night?
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Doing great?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
What's up? Bud?
Speaker 11 (16:33):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (16:33):
Not much?
Speaker 11 (16:33):
Killing bro chilling? Hey, I think whether you and Lebron
Mean or Jordan Knight, this forty thousand doesn't make a
different to where you put them at me personally, I
think it's impressive because longevity does mean something to play
this long, play this long and this well, it's just
like when you look at somebody like yourself, Rob, how
many of your peers that you started out with that's
failed by the wayside, but you still.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
My goodness, I get that.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
But here's the only thing I'll say to you, and
just think about this, and Brian, you too. Say Lebron
played his entire career forty thousand, right, the leading scorer
in NBA history, and he didn't win, it wouldn't register
the same way, am I right? It would work the longevity,
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The longevity wouldn't matter to anybody.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
It's that's That's how like when people.
Speaker 11 (17:23):
Say I think that I don't know about that rocket.
So we don't talk better about Derek g He only
won five championships in twenty years?
Speaker 7 (17:31):
What do you mean five?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Five baseball championships? Are you kidding?
Speaker 11 (17:35):
What I'm saying? Four NBA championships in twenty years.
Speaker 9 (17:38):
It's more than just you.
Speaker 11 (17:39):
So we don't put all the blame on him. So
we're gonna do it on Lebron.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
No, No baseball is way different because you could be
a really good player and have no pitching. I don't,
I don't, I don't loquate, I don't know. I don't
equate it the same because if I look at baseball,
the City Yankees won three out of four, they were
a dynasty, or you know, like at the point when
they were playing, I don't I don't look at Derek
(18:02):
Geni's career and going, oh wow, they played twenty eight
because they made the playoffs, like nineteen of the twenty years,
he made.
Speaker 10 (18:08):
The finals out of his twenty.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Years, right, but he lost more finals than anybody.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
But do you see what I'm saying Like this, I
get that there's a difference.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
There's no there's a difference because when when you lose
more than you win, it's like Jerry West. You know,
like Jerry, Nobody talks about Jerry. He lost all those finals,
he only won one. Nobody nobody, He's not revered. But
nobody says Jerry West went to eight NBA finals and
(18:40):
Brian he only won one.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
Yeah, listen, you gotta close the deal or you're gonna
be known for the guy who didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Marv Levy.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Nobody says Marv Levy's the greatest coach in NFL.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
He went the four straight Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
And that's my point is that he doesn't get the
credit he deserved being a great coach because he never
won the big game.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
Right, it matters. That was the deal with Andy Reid. Yes,
starting win rings with the Chiefs, thank you?
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Yeah, he got he got fired in Philadelphia. Hello, we
went the four NFC championship games and won Super Bowl
and didn't win any rings.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Right, and then he got a guy named Patrick Mahomes
and things change. Yeah, eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
How about this? Rob?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
This goes right into the conversation MJ. I don't know
if it's the Michael Jordan in New Orleans. We'll find
out here in the odd couple. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
MJ?
Speaker 9 (19:37):
What's going on? Man? I stussor Rob?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
What's happening?
Speaker 7 (19:41):
How are you?
Speaker 9 (19:42):
And Man? I'm blessed, I'm blessed. Man toning into you
guys as much. Man, Man, it seems like I'm on
the show more than Chris nowadays.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Oh yeah, then you go, you said it, you said it.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
I know, Hey, I'm less impressed because Michael Jeffrey Jordan
did more and less amount of time. Lebron is the
fact game though, and I got agree with Chris one
championship every five years. Also got to add some context
to the scoring record, Okay, Lebron James two two hundred
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and thirty seven three pointers, the captain Kareem I doing
Jaborrow one two pointers, Lebron eleven, eight hundred and sixteen
Kareem fifteen thousand, eight hundred and thirty six. Like I said,
if it's Matt Sackerish, you know, it's kind of raw numbers.
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If you kind of look at is a lot of time,
a lot of minutes, played, a lot of games. Even
Skip would say Lebron James is in games in the
fourth quarter while they were being blown out. He's a
past first guy who crep up and got the all
time scoring record and not the only guy that looks
at that kind of weird really longevity, but it's hell,
(21:00):
the longevity. It's just I'm not really no, I'm not
too my home with it. Thanks you guys have a
great show, all.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Right, appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Thanks, Thanks, have good night.
Speaker 12 (21:10):
Yeah, it just seems like, uh, I don't know, Rob
forty thousand seems more like a It's cool. No, ka
was bigger than me, absolutely, right now, that was the
biggest moment.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Put it this way. I remember when he hit the
shot to pass Kareem, and Kareem was there and they
had their history, right rob and he gave them the basketball,
and it was this whole thing. It's not gonna be
the same thing when he gets to forty thousand, right,
And that's not taking any credit away. It's just to
say passing Kareem was the bigger moment.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I don't doubt it at all.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
I thought that was, you know, Kareem there, you passed
the all time Well, you know, we always thought of
Kareem and no one really thought about somebody passing him.
And now people look at it and say, well, nobody
will passed Lebron. I doubt it. I mean the way
that they're scoring now and the way you can't play defense,
somebody might get Lebron.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Could have it.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Certainly coming to the league early, you know what I mean.
That not gonna be spending three or four years in college.
You're starting right away.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
That's right, all right.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Coming up, we're gonna talk with Daniel Kelly the former
NFL scout with the Jets and an author.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
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Speaker 4 (22:36):
It is the eyd Couple on a funky flashback Friday.
We're broadcasting live from the tyrack dot com studios Rob
Parker along with Brian no in for Chris Bussard, who
we expect back on Monday from vacation.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Now, let's welcome in Daniel Kelly.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
He's a former NFL scout with the Jets and an
author and he joins us here on the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
And we got a bone to pick with you, Daniel Kelly.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
You.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Hey, I'm doing really well, Robin, Brian, thank you so
much for having me on the show tonight. I'm excited
it's getting closer and closer to the NFL Draft.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yes, and you must have been that reporter in the
front row who was heckling Caleb Williams cause you think
he you've graded him really low.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Has a fourth round grade on Caleb Williams. What don't
you like? And Why have you graded him so low?
Speaker 11 (23:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Absolutely. You know, with Caleb Williams, Now, I've watched him
in every single snap over the last two seasons that
I've evaluated, some twenty six games total, and you know,
the things I don't like. I think the biggest issue
for me is how he craves to get out of structure,
you know, to the point where you know it's it's
(23:51):
it's so obvious on film. You know number two, you know,
he leads with the inconsistent rhythm and tempo at quarterback.
Speaker 9 (23:59):
This is huge, guys.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
To me, a quarterbacks like a drummer at a band,
and the entire offense depends on the timing of every
single play, and he leaves with an inconsistent rhythm and
temple on film. And how that translates is also to
his footwork in the pocket, and this is a huge
concern that I have because to me, he's got very
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inconsistent footwork when he's moving around back in the pockets.
And the NFL, going from college, you know, putting on
the NFL glasses going from college to the NFL. The
NFL is a league that's that's built on and predicated
upon timing, routes. That's you know, the historical the three
five seven foot dropping shirt. A guy like Patrick Mahomes,
who has incredible throwing instincts, can get away with not
(24:43):
using and relying on his footwork that throwing the ball.
But that's a huge concern. I believe why you know,
the reason why Cale the Wims is not throwing at
the NFL combine is because you know of that inconsistent
footwork and not wanting to work with receivers he's not
familiar with in front of the league watching him. You
know another huge.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
All right, let me let me let me stop you, Daniel.
So I want you to I want you on the record.
So what we saw in college was a fluke or
we didn't see it. B he is going to be
I want you to hear. I want you to say
he's going to be a bust uh. And I want
you to say that he won't be drafted in the.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
First round.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Where he is Where.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I'm asking you is he is he going to be
a bust? Daniel with the stuff you just so, he
will be a bust? Okay, and he will? Where will
he be drafted?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
More than likely based on the mainstream media and the
perception out there, the perceived value. More than likely somebody
in the first round will take him. I know I want,
but say he probably will be.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
I'm just I hear your argument, Daniel.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
I get it as far as I like the comparison
to a drummer and playing outside of structure, he does
it a lot.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
So I hear what you're saying. But why fourth round?
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Why is it like like the end of the top
ten or lower first or a top of Say where
does that come from?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Well, the third and fourth round, to me are the
developmental rounds. And to me, there's nothing worse than overgrading.
You know, for for a prospect to be overgraded, because
you know, our expectations are framed around you know where
we where these guys are taken. And to me, it's
it's the fourth round is an ideal round where he
could come in as a value and not have this
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tremendous pressure and these tremendous expectations. I mean, I have
a third round grade on Zach Wilson coming out. I
had trade Lance grade as an undraftable free agent document online.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
It's it's if these.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Guys are taken in the right spot, I feel like
they have the best chance to succeed, and coming in
the first round, I mean the expectations are almost unrealistic.
I mean it's gonna be like a rock concert at
his first training camp, and you know, coming into that,
the pressure. And if there's one thing I saw down
this wretch last year with Caleb Williams was he did
not respond well to pressure down the stretch. Tell me
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on a downward trajectory.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
So you gave us a couple that you got right,
tell me the biggest ones you got wrong.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
The biggest ones I've gotten wrong over the last few drafts.
I had Bryce Young as my TV one in this
last draft. I had also I had Elite Willis in
twenty twenty two as my top quarterback that season. And
uh and I also had Mac Jones, which is you know,
the jury stall a little bit on him.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Now, Viry's not out on him. I mean he's been bad.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Well he's he had he was you know, runner up
the offensive rookie the year the first season, and he
has struggled as a blake.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yes, okay, I just want to say it's a crap
shoot then, so I've just if you told me you
got them all right, then i'd have to listen to you.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
But I'm sure you got some wrong. I think it's
I think you're going to be right. No, no, no,
I know that. I'm just making a point that if.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
You're going to give me the good you know the
ones you got right, there's the other ones you got
wrong two and those are some bad ones as well.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Daniel, how about this? How about your lower on Caleb Williams.
Which quarterbacks are you high on in this draft?
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Spencer Rattler is my QB one. I love Spencer Ratler.
Michael Pennix Junior is my QB two. Joe Milton the
third on the Tennessee is my QB three, and then
I also like bow Knicks. He's my QB four first
round grade. And then Drake May is my QB five
in the first round. So I have five quarterbacks graded
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his first rounds guys.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Wow, and you go Rattler's your top guy. And who
was the second guy before bow Knicks.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
It's gonna be Michael Pennick Junior two on Washington, yep ye.
And then Joe Milton the third on the Tennessee is
my QB three.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
You know he reminds me a bit of Anthony Richardson
in terms of, you know, build rocket arm and we
haven't gotten the buzz after Anthony Richardson, before he got hurt.
He did some good things. Are you surprised there hasn't
been I'm not saying, you know, first round or top ten,
(29:07):
but a little bit more buzz on Milton out of
Tennessee compared to like what just happened with Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
I am very surprised, actually because when you look at
both these quarterbacks coming on the SEC, you know, Milton
and Richardson. You look at the last year's stat line,
you know, Milton has a better stat line across the
boards including completion percentage, you know, touchdowns, law interceptions, higher
quarterback rating than Anthony Richardson coming out of Florida did.
(29:35):
So it does surprise me a lot. Everybody talked about,
you know, the arm strength and the athleticism of Richardson.
You know, he hit the roof with that pass, you
know that he had everybody crazy. Milton's a guy to
me that's you know, built like a Cam Newton and
has an arm strength of a Jeff George. So it
is very surprising to me, I mean, I'm not going
to see here and say that he's generational because the
only label I've ever no time about put that label
(29:55):
on somebody's with CJ. Stroud last year. But he has generational.
So we don't see that often in quarterbacks, and people
keep talking about traits, traits, traits, and I am for
that reason very surprised when I'm hearing more about Jill
Milton the third because he's not just have the size
and the big arm, but if you watch, I mean,
he's the hardest evaluation I've ever done ever. And but
(30:16):
the thing the surprising is is that more people aren't
seeing it because to me, the entire time when I
watched Jill Milton the Third on film, there's an upward, ascending,
subtle improvement the entire time on game film. And last
year he played the twelve games in the SEC and
you know, he had a you know, less less sacks
he took than than you know, Camleb Williams or Drake
(30:37):
May and also a faster time to throw, you know.
And so it is it is surprising. I mean, his
size and the way he's in the pocket, and the
way he can he can run and throw the ball.
You know, I'm very surprised when not hearing more about
this about Joe Milton the third. I love this confidence
from the press conference of the combine, and I think
that the in narrative may be changing on him as
we move into throwing tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
And we talked all the time drafting players, guys, games
being able to evolve at the next level.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Why is it so hard?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I mean, I just can't get over how many swings
and misses there are, you know, on players. I mean,
we know that Joe Montana wasn't a high pick. Tom
Brady was sixth. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 5 (31:21):
There's there are more variables that going to picking a quarterback,
to me than almost you know, picking the winning powerball numbers.
There's so many different variables. I outline on Twitter the
other day of my talent. I think I counted thirty
three variables that I look at when I'm looking at
these quarterbacks. And it's just so much to us into this.
And then once you have, you know, a projection, so
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you have a good college quarterback here. Now you go
from the college game to the NFL game, which is
a completely different game. Even the size of the football
is different, which Kenny Pickett found out the hard way.
You know, it's a different game. It's a faster game,
it's a lot more complex game. You know, players come in,
you know, a lot of times they're highly touted, so
I think that, you know, maybe, but he isn't there
as much. They step in, they think it's boom, I'm
(32:02):
just going to step in here and do this, and
it doesn't work out, you know. So there's a lot
of variables that go into it, and it's a very
difficult transition. I mean, right now, since twenty twenty one
on my trending hit rates right, trending hit rates at
sixty percent. And it is extremely difficult because you never
exactly know how fame and fortune are going to affect
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these young men. You never know are they going to
stay healthy, are they going to get you know, get injured.
You never know exactly how they're going to acclimate to
their new team, their teammates, their new environments surrounding city.
You know, how they're going to fit into this equation
and deal with the pressure and the expectations. Because un
met expectations are the source of all human disappointment. So
everybody's expecting these guys to step right in. There's hardly
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any time. There's hardly any you know, nobody can really
be patient with these guys. And like I had an opportunity,
wants to sit next to Lee Steinberg on the plane
ride for mobile coming back from the Senior Bowl, just
by chance, random and we got to talking about quarterbacks.
Of course, you know, he represents Patrick Mahomes and this
is why. Before that, but you know, I asked them
questions about quarterbacks and he said, you don't listen, Dan,
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quarterbacks are like a fine line. They take time to develop,
and unfortunately on in a lot of cases we just
don't you know, teams just don't have the time.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
All right.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
There he is Daniel Kelly, former NFL scout with the
Jets and author.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
We appreciate your time and your knowledge. Thank you, Daniel.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
You're very welcome. Robin Brian, thank you so much for
having me on. And enjoy the rest of the draft
process and we move towards the big day, yes.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Sir, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
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As we wrap up the.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Weekend, Brian says he's not moving to New Orleans. Not
this weekend though, right, Brian.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Yeah, not this week maybe sometime in the next few weeks.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Have you ever lived down there or No?
Speaker 6 (34:35):
No, I haven't lived there. I lived I know You've
been all over, right, how about you? How many places
have you lived?
Speaker 3 (34:41):
I lived a lot, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Grew up in New York, went to college in Connecticut,
first job in Pennsylvania, worked in Cincinnati, worked in Detroit, Yeah,
worked in LA You know what I mean. I've been around.
I've been around. But I'll tell you the first time
mother went to New Orleans. I went to do a
Lion Saints preseason game.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, and yoused to. We had to get off the
plane and it wasn't attached Just how long ago it was.
It wasn't attached to the airport, so you have to
get off the plant. Brian, you never been on a
plane like that.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
When you get off the plane and you have to
walk walk down the stairs and then into the terminal.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I swear that's how long ago it was.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
It was in the nineties, man.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
And and you know the weather down there in the summer.
You know, I walked off the plane, I meeting soaking wet,
and then they got bugs and all kinds of stuff.
It was like I was like, oh my cause it's
a swamp. I couldn't believe it how bad it was.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
You were like, get me out of here.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yes, I'm not saying don't go there. I'm sorry. I'm
not saying that.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
No, I hear you.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
Man, Where did you hate living the most? Real fast?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
I won't say I hated it, you know, because I
was there long enough, only five months.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
But of all the plays.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Wolfsbury, Pennsylvania, it's like, really three years from New.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
York, Okay, just not big enough for you.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, you know what I mean. But I didn't hate it.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
I really I was there right out of college and
I enjoyed my first job as my first full time
job as a reporter, and I covered I covered Rocket
Ishmael and I covered them when they were in high
school running track.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Can you believe that?
Speaker 6 (36:25):
You know what's crazy is So I grew up in
South Bend, so I would walk over to they called it,
I don't know what they say now, but it was
the loftiest center. You could walk over there, and every
now and then you would see some of these football
players working out. It was when Rocket went to the CFL.
He went to the Toronto Argonauts, right, and I happened
to be there just hanging out, and Rocket was training
(36:47):
with his guy. And I'm telling you, Rob, they were
on the outside lane of the track and they were
just running.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
Laps, laps, right laps at a fast pace.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Fast.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
I'm like, this dude's conditioning is on another level.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Well you could imagine in Wolfsbury, Pennsylvania, they were running,
they were running circles around people.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I was writing about them all the time. That's I
covered high school track. Yeah, out of college real quick.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
I want to back when we had kickoff returns in football,
you know, when he was at Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Oh, you don't have that anymore. And the one way
would have won the national championship and they called it back,
Yes against Colorado. That was That was brutal. That was right,
That was brutal. That was really bad because that would
have been what a finish that was.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I still remember that speaking about a finish real quick.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
The Bill Belichick bashing.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
I'm not a Bill Belichick guy, the cheating and all
that other stuff, but I think this is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I just don't get it. Do you get it?
Speaker 7 (37:47):
What the Elliott Wolf thing?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Just just all these players like like he didn't do
anything there. I'm just shocked by it.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Yeah, Like, look, man, I can understand that he would
rub you the wrong way if you're in that organize
or if you're a player.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
What do you gain by talking trash?
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Now that's what I'm saying, Well, you should have done
that back when he was winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Just take the high road.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
The guy won six rings and he got passed over
in this job cycle. Why are you talking trash while
he's still looking for a gig?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
How does that benefit you?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Surprising? Doesn't make any sense. I don't know, all right, mister,
No Brian, no man, you are the best. We appreciate
you filling in for Chris. Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
Thanks for having me, Rob. I always good hanging with you, Bud.
You're it's been a while, not two years, that was
two years. It's three times that, not at all.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Yeah, I can't believe. I can't believe Chris and Nis
is our six year together on the ap Ops.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
To you, guys, man, you've been at it. That's awesome,
that's pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
So all right, guys, you know, Jason Smith Mike Harmon
are coming up next to everybody on the odd couple
of crew men.
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Have a great weekend. We're appreciate it and we'll see
you Monday.
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(01:15):
Anything going on your way?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Man?
Speaker 6 (01:19):
I got to do a couple of shifts. I was
looking at possibly moving Rob, Where are you gonna move?
We were thinking about possibly New Orleans, but it's probably
not gonna happen right now, So staying but in Illinois
maybe for a month or the better part of the.
Speaker 7 (01:33):
Next month, and then maybe. Yeah, craziness.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
It was high maintenance issues, kind of like Cayleb Williams dad,
and so it fell through.
Speaker 7 (01:42):
Okay, push that back.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I understand. I'm on my way to Arizona for a
little spring training. Oh yeah, we'll go check out the
Brewers tomorrow and the Dodgers on Sunday.
Speaker 7 (01:53):
How many games are the Brewers gonna win? Like sixty eight?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, I don't know, a good question.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
It might be a little rough this year.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, I'm gonna go see Devin Williams, who won the
inaugural Picture of the Year for MLB bro the Bob
Gibson Award, So I'm gonna go check him out.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
And Mookie Betts won the Player of the Year for
mlbbro dot com.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
So that's why I'm going out talk to some players,
get some sound, some video and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7 (02:20):
So very cool. Have you gone before, I'm assuming you have.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yes, I've been, you know, mostly to Florida, I've never
actually been to Arizona for spring training, but when I
covered baseball, you know a lot of Florida.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
That's cool, man, if you enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So I'm looking forward to it. But let's get into
some NBA. Let's do this and do we have sound
on Lebron rob g Oh no, no?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Sound? Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
So we talked about this earlier, about the forty thousand points.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
You know, I don't. I'm not here. I'm not trying
to bash him forgetting that. You know, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
But I think everything there has to be contexts, and
a lot of it has to do with It's a
longevity thing, don't don't you without being when I'm being
mean spirited, it's a longevity thing.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Played a long time. Yeah, yeah, he's played an incredibly
long time. I don't think it, but I don't think
it changes anything to me. All it does.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
For the people who believe that he's the goat or
he's that guy. It's one thing niggas say, well, he's
got forty thousand points.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Oh, you know, he won the in season tournament.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Oh, his son's gonna be drafted in the NBA, NBA draft,
you know, or whatever it is. To try to cover
up the six finals losses and that he only has
four and he had to put together a dream team
in order to win the three he won. I'm just saying,
like or the other two I should say, but you
(03:58):
get my point. If you're a Lebron, I'm a person
or a fan or whatever. You want, a minion, you
love it because it's something else you could use to
push back on Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, now I hear you.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
I think whatever side you are on, like you're dug
in like forty thousand is not gonna I put it
this way.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
They're like, Michael Jordan played thirteen years, what do we
he played twenty?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Right?
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Really, if your team, Jordan, you're not all of a
sudden gonna say, you know, I got to reevaluate now
that Lebron has reached forty thousand points, it's not gonna
go down like that. It's impressive, rob Listen, longevity means
a lot. For him to be around this long is
incredibly impressive. He's still playing at a very high but
(04:44):
forty years old.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Here's a scary part though, If he plays three more years,
right and he has and doesn't win again, is winning
four championships in twenty three. Do you see what I'm saying? Like,
it doesn't that doesn't feel special? Do you think that's special?
Speaker 6 (05:00):
It's Well, the problem is he's compared to MJ the
whole time. So when you're comparing him to Jordan who was,
you know he's perfect in the finals, never lost when
he's chasing as he said that ghost in Chicago, When
that's the comparison, Like, no, it doesn't feel like it's
(05:22):
more special. And that's the real conversation. Sure, that's special
to do what he's done. He's had an incredibly special career.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
No doubt, no one would. And people always say, oh,
you hate Lebron? What I think?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
He's the second best player of all time? How do
I hate a guy I'm not like Paul Pierce or
some of these former players who have him tenth or
eleventh or not in their top ten. Like that's what
is some sort of bias?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Right?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
If you could honestly look at his career, the all
time leading scorer or whatever and say not in your
top ten, Come on, man, you lose credibility even if
you play in the league.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I get it, and I'm with you. The thing I
did rob Is.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
We've gotten to a place now where anything that sounds
slightly critical it's taken as you're just outright hated, right
bashing this guy.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I get it all the time, as I just said,
And if I didn't, if I did have a rub
against Lebrono, so would I rate him second behind Michael Joe.
I don't think that's an insult.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
But it just feels like you're disarming a bomb if
you're talking about longevity in a slightly critical way, where
I think of it the same way. He's a scoring compiler,
and that sounds incredibly negative.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
I don't mean it that way at all.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
But I just simply look at Jordan won ten scoring
titles in a row. Lebron won one. You know, so
he's scored. He's gonna get to forty thousand points. Nobody
has done that. It's a longevity thing, and hats off
to him for being in the league, in play at
that high of a level for so long. That means
(07:02):
a ton. I think compiler is the new system quarterback,
you know what I mean? Like it's always taken as
a negative, and it's not always meant that way. I
don't mean it as a negative. As negative as it
sounds that he's a scoring compiler, but that's what he is.
(07:23):
He's not a guy that won ten scoring titles like MJ.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
He won one.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
So it's impressive that he's scored so much over that
period of time, but he hasn't been one of these
elite scorers. And I think a lot of people just
look at, hey, forty thousand points, he's the only guy.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
To do it. He's an elite scorer.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
No, he's not right that.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I think you're one hundred spot on. And it's not
to rain on his parade. It's just I just think
you have to have context everything. And there are awards
that people win just based on longevity, right for playing
a long time.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Don't you look that? Why do is a thing called
scoring average? Right? Like that's the great equalizer?
Speaker 7 (08:05):
It is you speaking your baseball language.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Rob A lot of people through this out with Craig Bigio,
remember the Astros, And he's a compiler, and it's always
talked about as a negative, and it shouldn't be like that.
If you can compile numbers like Lebron has done for
as long as he's been in the NBA, you take
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that every time. If you're an NBA franchise. That's nothing
to just like shrug your shoulders at. But I don't
know how we can turn compiling into a positive. I
think the damage has been done and it's always taken
as a negative. I don't mean it as a negative
at all.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Not no, not at all. It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
But I think I just think you gotta be careful.
It's not And this is the other thing they always say, Uh, well,
if it's about Michael Jordan and the rings, then Bill
Russells the goat or you know, like like, no, it's
not just the ring count. You just said that he
won ten state straight scoring titles, right, I mean, come on, man,
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there's a lot of other stuff. He was a defensive player,
he won defensive player awards. He did way more than that.
And and oh well, he didn't win until Scotty Pippen
showed up.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And I said this all the time.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
If Scotty Pippen was that guy, how did he not
win one finals MVP? He doesn't automatically go to Michael Jordan, right.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Right, Well, and you also said something Rob where you
gotta be careful. I think there's a lot of talk
and it's just gaining traction now where we're throwing out hey, uh,
it's Lebron on that juice over there, like come on, man,
you gotta have some proof.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Is just willy nilly throwing it around like That's.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Why I wouldn't even entertain it because I'm not in
that camp. I think that that's hurtful and uh and
if you don't have you if if somebody has something
to show you know what I mean, and some facts,
that's one thing. But I just will never ever get
involved in just throwing out stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Well I know.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
It just reminds me of remember when this happened in
football with Adrian Peterson where there were some whispers of like,
hey man, is he on peds? And he had a great,
great response where he was like, I take that as
a compliment I'm doing. I'm playing at such a high
level you think that I'm on roids or whatever. In
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order again to he just laughed it off. That was
the best way to handle it. But I think the
same is true with Lebron. I think it's a compliment.
People have not seen someone play at this level at
that age, and they immediately run to is he on peds?
Speaker 7 (10:49):
I really do.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
I think it's a hidden compliment where it just shows
you that Lebron is doing something that really is unprecedented
to play at this level at that age, and no
one has done.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
And he's put in the work right, he works extremely
hard to keep in shape and body, and they've always
said he pays what a million dollars a year in
order to train and whatnot, and it shows and he's
in unbelievable shape, you know, not defending anybody, but he
still can play man, There's no.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Doubt about it.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
I'll tell you what, Rob, I shouldn't even say this,
but I will. Can you imagine the Team Jordan people
what their reaction would be if there was ever any
truth to the veed stuff?
Speaker 7 (11:33):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Oh God, could you imagine the conversations that would be
had if that were the case.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
It would be crazy, all right?
Speaker 4 (11:40):
But here we are eight seven, seven ninety nine on
Fox eight seven seven nine nine six sixty three sixty nine.
Would Lebron James cracking forty thousand career points change the
way you view him all time? It's a real simple question.
Would it change just how you view him?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Did you? Would you move him up would you move
them over, Jordan? How would you view.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Them in that situation? But we'll continue that conversation next
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Speaker 3 (13:04):
It is the Odd Couple.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Hey, Daniel Kelly's coming up at the bottom of the hour.
The former NFL scout with the Jets and an author.
But it is the Odd Couple, and we're coming to
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ninety nine. On Fox. We're just talking about Lebron James
getting a forty thousand and what it would mean. Would
it elevate him in your mind? Would it make him
the goat with all the other stuff that he's done
in his career or No, Brian, it just keeps him
the same. It doesn't do anything. It just says that
he's been able to play a long time and be
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productive for a long time. So I'm sure people want
to jump in eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
By the way, r if you think about it from
this standpoint too, where would you put that accomplishment among
his other accomplishments, right, whether it's individual, whether it's team wise,
coming back from a three to one deficit, being the
top scorer in the game, Like, where would you put
forty thousand among anything else that he's accomplished?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Probably top three all time leading scorer though to me
is enough, you know what I mean? I don't need
a number on it. All time leaders score, on NBA history.
That is that not good enough?
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I know?
Speaker 7 (14:32):
Right, Like we're just right kind of adding something to that.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Right, that's really what it does. Right, You're already top dog.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Right, Yeah, it'd be like if it's quarterback passing yards.
Once you're the top guy, does it matter that you've
gotten to eighty five thousand or ninety thousand, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
As long as your number one, I think that's what
matters most, right.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I agree. I think that's all we could stop there.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
Yeah, no doubt. Are you big into the combine? By
the way, Rob, real fast?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Are you dog?
Speaker 6 (15:07):
And doing like the offensive lineman on Sunday to close
the deal?
Speaker 9 (15:12):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yeah, I never missed the combine. I never watch it,
so I never miss it.
Speaker 7 (15:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Okay, let's get to Lebron over here. We've got Tony
in LA. He's on the odd couple. What's going on, ton.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Tony? Hold on?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
We got anything? He pot it up? Okay, I just
heard them all. We lost him. I go to the
next one.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Bar.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
Okay, we got Ken. He's over in Stockton. You've been
to Stockton, California?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
There, I have not been to Stockton. Ken's in Stockton,
The Odd Couple.
Speaker 10 (15:44):
Damn Brian is Ken, I'm gonna give a d strap
for prison. No man, old dog brother, I missed the
NTA one.
Speaker 9 (15:51):
Man.
Speaker 10 (15:51):
Ain't gonna entertain the thought about Lebron Man. He's either
one or two and that's all that matters. I don't
care about pecause they can't. But I ain't gonna entertain
the thought Barry Bonds. It was the first time all time,
and that's all I'm gonna say. But my friends gonna
say bulldogs. They can go tom and on with this
new and she ain't hand over fears.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Who can't make it?
Speaker 10 (16:12):
Man, you don't never make it.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
They never thank you.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I love your passion. I don't know what you're talking about,
but I love it you. But he was all over
the place, dre Is in Michigan. It was like mayonnaise
all over the place on the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
What's going on?
Speaker 11 (16:26):
Dre on, Mister Parker, miss to know how y'all doing
on this Friday night?
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Doing great?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
What's up? Bud?
Speaker 11 (16:33):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (16:33):
Not much?
Speaker 11 (16:33):
Killing bro chilling? Hey, I think whether you and Lebron
Mean or Jordan Knight, this forty thousand doesn't make a
different to where you put them at me personally, I
think it's impressive because longevity does mean something to play
this long, play this long and this well, it's just
like when you look at somebody like yourself, Rob, how
many of your peers that you started out with that's
failed by the wayside, but you still.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
My goodness, I get that.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
But here's the only thing I'll say to you, and
just think about this, and Brian, you too. Say Lebron
played his entire career forty thousand, right, the leading scorer
in NBA history, and he didn't win, it wouldn't register
the same way, am I right? It would work the longevity,
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The longevity wouldn't matter to anybody.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
It's that's That's how like when people.
Speaker 11 (17:23):
Say I think that I don't know about that rocket.
So we don't talk better about Derek g He only
won five championships in twenty years?
Speaker 7 (17:31):
What do you mean five?
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Five baseball championships? Are you kidding?
Speaker 11 (17:35):
What I'm saying? Four NBA championships in twenty years.
Speaker 9 (17:38):
It's more than just you.
Speaker 11 (17:39):
So we don't put all the blame on him. So
we're gonna do it on Lebron.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
No, No baseball is way different because you could be
a really good player and have no pitching. I don't,
I don't, I don't loquate, I don't know. I don't
equate it the same because if I look at baseball,
the City Yankees won three out of four, they were
a dynasty, or you know, like at the point when
they were playing, I don't I don't look at Derek
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Geni's career and going, oh wow, they played twenty eight
because they made the playoffs, like nineteen of the twenty years,
he made.
Speaker 10 (18:08):
The finals out of his twenty.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Years, right, but he lost more finals than anybody.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
But do you see what I'm saying Like this, I
get that there's a difference.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
There's no there's a difference because when when you lose
more than you win, it's like Jerry West. You know,
like Jerry, Nobody talks about Jerry. He lost all those finals,
he only won one. Nobody nobody, He's not revered. But
nobody says Jerry West went to eight NBA finals and
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Brian he only won one.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
Yeah, listen, you gotta close the deal or you're gonna
be known for the guy who didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Marv Levy.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Nobody says Marv Levy's the greatest coach in NFL.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
He went the four straight Super Bowls.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
And that's my point is that he doesn't get the
credit he deserved being a great coach because he never
won the big game.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
Right, it matters. That was the deal with Andy Reid. Yes,
starting win rings with the Chiefs, thank you?
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Yeah, he got he got fired in Philadelphia. Hello, we
went the four NFC championship games and won Super Bowl
and didn't win any rings.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Right, and then he got a guy named Patrick Mahomes
and things change. Yeah, eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
How about this? Rob?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
This goes right into the conversation MJ. I don't know
if it's the Michael Jordan in New Orleans. We'll find
out here in the odd couple. What's going on?
Speaker 3 (19:36):
MJ?
Speaker 9 (19:37):
What's going on? Man? I stussor Rob?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
What's happening?
Speaker 7 (19:41):
How are you?
Speaker 9 (19:42):
And Man? I'm blessed, I'm blessed. Man toning into you
guys as much. Man, Man, it seems like I'm on
the show more than Chris nowadays.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Oh yeah, then you go, you said it, you said it.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
I know, Hey, I'm less impressed because Michael Jeffrey Jordan
did more and less amount of time. Lebron is the
fact game though, and I got agree with Chris one
championship every five years. Also got to add some context
to the scoring record, Okay, Lebron James two two hundred
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and thirty seven three pointers, the captain Kareem I doing
Jaborrow one two pointers, Lebron eleven, eight hundred and sixteen
Kareem fifteen thousand, eight hundred and thirty six. Like I said,
if it's Matt Sackerish, you know, it's kind of raw numbers.
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If you kind of look at is a lot of time,
a lot of minutes, played, a lot of games. Even
Skip would say Lebron James is in games in the
fourth quarter while they were being blown out. He's a
past first guy who crep up and got the all
time scoring record and not the only guy that looks
at that kind of weird really longevity, but it's hell,
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the longevity. It's just I'm not really no, I'm not
too my home with it. Thanks you guys have a
great show, all.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Right, appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Thanks, Thanks, have good night.
Speaker 12 (21:10):
Yeah, it just seems like, uh, I don't know, Rob
forty thousand seems more like a It's cool. No, ka
was bigger than me, absolutely, right now, that was the
biggest moment.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Put it this way. I remember when he hit the
shot to pass Kareem, and Kareem was there and they
had their history, right rob and he gave them the basketball,
and it was this whole thing. It's not gonna be
the same thing when he gets to forty thousand, right,
And that's not taking any credit away. It's just to
say passing Kareem was the bigger moment.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I don't doubt it at all.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
I thought that was, you know, Kareem there, you passed
the all time Well, you know, we always thought of
Kareem and no one really thought about somebody passing him.
And now people look at it and say, well, nobody
will passed Lebron. I doubt it. I mean the way
that they're scoring now and the way you can't play defense,
somebody might get Lebron.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Could have it.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Certainly coming to the league early, you know what I mean.
That not gonna be spending three or four years in college.
You're starting right away.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
That's right, all right.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Coming up, we're gonna talk with Daniel Kelly the former
NFL scout with the Jets and an author.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
But first let's get you caught up.
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Speaker 4 (22:36):
It is the eyd Couple on a funky flashback Friday.
We're broadcasting live from the tyrack dot com studios Rob
Parker along with Brian no in for Chris Bussard, who
we expect back on Monday from vacation.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Now, let's welcome in Daniel Kelly.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
He's a former NFL scout with the Jets and an
author and he joins us here on the Odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
And we got a bone to pick with you, Daniel Kelly.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
You.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
Hey, I'm doing really well, Robin, Brian, thank you so
much for having me on the show tonight. I'm excited
it's getting closer and closer to the NFL Draft.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yes, and you must have been that reporter in the
front row who was heckling Caleb Williams cause you think
he you've graded him really low.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Has a fourth round grade on Caleb Williams. What don't
you like? And Why have you graded him so low?
Speaker 11 (23:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Absolutely. You know, with Caleb Williams, Now, I've watched him
in every single snap over the last two seasons that
I've evaluated, some twenty six games total, and you know,
the things I don't like. I think the biggest issue
for me is how he craves to get out of structure,
you know, to the point where you know it's it's
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it's so obvious on film. You know number two, you know,
he leads with the inconsistent rhythm and tempo at quarterback.
Speaker 9 (23:59):
This is huge, guys.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
To me, a quarterbacks like a drummer at a band,
and the entire offense depends on the timing of every
single play, and he leaves with an inconsistent rhythm and
temple on film. And how that translates is also to
his footwork in the pocket, and this is a huge
concern that I have because to me, he's got very
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inconsistent footwork when he's moving around back in the pockets.
And the NFL, going from college, you know, putting on
the NFL glasses going from college to the NFL. The
NFL is a league that's that's built on and predicated
upon timing, routes. That's you know, the historical the three
five seven foot dropping shirt. A guy like Patrick Mahomes,
who has incredible throwing instincts, can get away with not
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using and relying on his footwork that throwing the ball.
But that's a huge concern. I believe why you know,
the reason why Cale the Wims is not throwing at
the NFL combine is because you know of that inconsistent
footwork and not wanting to work with receivers he's not
familiar with in front of the league watching him. You
know another huge.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
All right, let me let me let me stop you, Daniel.
So I want you to I want you on the record.
So what we saw in college was a fluke or
we didn't see it. B he is going to be
I want you to hear. I want you to say
he's going to be a bust uh. And I want
you to say that he won't be drafted in the.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
First round.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Where he is Where.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I'm asking you is he is he going to be
a bust? Daniel with the stuff you just so, he
will be a bust? Okay, and he will? Where will
he be drafted?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
More than likely based on the mainstream media and the
perception out there, the perceived value. More than likely somebody
in the first round will take him. I know I want,
but say he probably will be.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
I'm just I hear your argument, Daniel.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
I get it as far as I like the comparison
to a drummer and playing outside of structure, he does
it a lot.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
So I hear what you're saying. But why fourth round?
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Why is it like like the end of the top
ten or lower first or a top of Say where
does that come from?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Well, the third and fourth round, to me are the
developmental rounds. And to me, there's nothing worse than overgrading.
You know, for for a prospect to be overgraded, because
you know, our expectations are framed around you know where
we where these guys are taken. And to me, it's
it's the fourth round is an ideal round where he
could come in as a value and not have this
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tremendous pressure and these tremendous expectations. I mean, I have
a third round grade on Zach Wilson coming out. I
had trade Lance grade as an undraftable free agent document online.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
It's it's if these.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Guys are taken in the right spot, I feel like
they have the best chance to succeed, and coming in
the first round, I mean the expectations are almost unrealistic.
I mean it's gonna be like a rock concert at
his first training camp, and you know, coming into that,
the pressure. And if there's one thing I saw down
this wretch last year with Caleb Williams was he did
not respond well to pressure down the stretch. Tell me
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on a downward trajectory.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
So you gave us a couple that you got right,
tell me the biggest ones you got wrong.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
The biggest ones I've gotten wrong over the last few drafts.
I had Bryce Young as my TV one in this
last draft. I had also I had Elite Willis in
twenty twenty two as my top quarterback that season. And
uh and I also had Mac Jones, which is you know,
the jury stall a little bit on him.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Now, Viry's not out on him. I mean he's been bad.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Well he's he had he was you know, runner up
the offensive rookie the year the first season, and he
has struggled as a blake.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Yes, okay, I just want to say it's a crap
shoot then, so I've just if you told me you
got them all right, then i'd have to listen to you.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
But I'm sure you got some wrong. I think it's
I think you're going to be right. No, no, no,
I know that. I'm just making a point that if.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
You're going to give me the good you know the
ones you got right, there's the other ones you got
wrong two and those are some bad ones as well.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Daniel, how about this? How about your lower on Caleb Williams.
Which quarterbacks are you high on in this draft?
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Spencer Rattler is my QB one. I love Spencer Ratler.
Michael Pennix Junior is my QB two. Joe Milton the
third on the Tennessee is my QB three, and then
I also like bow Knicks. He's my QB four first
round grade. And then Drake May is my QB five
in the first round. So I have five quarterbacks graded
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his first rounds guys.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Wow, and you go Rattler's your top guy. And who
was the second guy before bow Knicks.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
It's gonna be Michael Pennick Junior two on Washington, yep ye.
And then Joe Milton the third on the Tennessee is
my QB three.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
You know he reminds me a bit of Anthony Richardson
in terms of, you know, build rocket arm and we
haven't gotten the buzz after Anthony Richardson, before he got hurt.
He did some good things. Are you surprised there hasn't
been I'm not saying, you know, first round or top ten,
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but a little bit more buzz on Milton out of
Tennessee compared to like what just happened with Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
I am very surprised, actually because when you look at
both these quarterbacks coming on the SEC, you know, Milton
and Richardson. You look at the last year's stat line,
you know, Milton has a better stat line across the
boards including completion percentage, you know, touchdowns, law interceptions, higher
quarterback rating than Anthony Richardson coming out of Florida did.
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So it does surprise me a lot. Everybody talked about,
you know, the arm strength and the athleticism of Richardson.
You know, he hit the roof with that pass, you
know that he had everybody crazy. Milton's a guy to
me that's you know, built like a Cam Newton and
has an arm strength of a Jeff George. So it
is very surprising to me, I mean, I'm not going
to see here and say that he's generational because the
only label I've ever no time about put that label
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on somebody's with CJ. Stroud last year. But he has generational.
So we don't see that often in quarterbacks, and people
keep talking about traits, traits, traits, and I am for
that reason very surprised when I'm hearing more about Jill
Milton the third because he's not just have the size
and the big arm, but if you watch, I mean,
he's the hardest evaluation I've ever done ever. And but
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the thing the surprising is is that more people aren't
seeing it because to me, the entire time when I
watched Jill Milton the Third on film, there's an upward, ascending,
subtle improvement the entire time on game film. And last
year he played the twelve games in the SEC and
you know, he had a you know, less less sacks
he took than than you know, Camleb Williams or Drake
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May and also a faster time to throw, you know.
And so it is it is surprising. I mean, his
size and the way he's in the pocket, and the
way he can he can run and throw the ball.
You know, I'm very surprised when not hearing more about
this about Joe Milton the third. I love this confidence
from the press conference of the combine, and I think
that the in narrative may be changing on him as
we move into throwing tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
And we talked all the time drafting players, guys, games
being able to evolve at the next level.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Why is it so hard?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
I mean, I just can't get over how many swings
and misses there are, you know, on players. I mean,
we know that Joe Montana wasn't a high pick. Tom
Brady was sixth. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 5 (31:21):
There's there are more variables that going to picking a quarterback,
to me than almost you know, picking the winning powerball numbers.
There's so many different variables. I outline on Twitter the
other day of my talent. I think I counted thirty
three variables that I look at when I'm looking at
these quarterbacks. And it's just so much to us into this.
And then once you have, you know, a projection, so
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you have a good college quarterback here. Now you go
from the college game to the NFL game, which is
a completely different game. Even the size of the football
is different, which Kenny Pickett found out the hard way.
You know, it's a different game. It's a faster game,
it's a lot more complex game. You know, players come in,
you know, a lot of times they're highly touted, so
I think that, you know, maybe, but he isn't there
as much. They step in, they think it's boom, I'm
(32:02):
just going to step in here and do this, and
it doesn't work out, you know. So there's a lot
of variables that go into it, and it's a very
difficult transition. I mean, right now, since twenty twenty one
on my trending hit rates right, trending hit rates at
sixty percent. And it is extremely difficult because you never
exactly know how fame and fortune are going to affect
(32:23):
these young men. You never know are they going to
stay healthy, are they going to get you know, get injured.
You never know exactly how they're going to acclimate to
their new team, their teammates, their new environments surrounding city.
You know, how they're going to fit into this equation
and deal with the pressure and the expectations. Because un
met expectations are the source of all human disappointment. So
everybody's expecting these guys to step right in. There's hardly
(32:44):
any time. There's hardly any you know, nobody can really
be patient with these guys. And like I had an opportunity,
wants to sit next to Lee Steinberg on the plane
ride for mobile coming back from the Senior Bowl, just
by chance, random and we got to talking about quarterbacks.
Of course, you know, he represents Patrick Mahomes and this
is why. Before that, but you know, I asked them
questions about quarterbacks and he said, you don't listen, Dan,
(33:04):
quarterbacks are like a fine line. They take time to develop,
and unfortunately on in a lot of cases we just
don't you know, teams just don't have the time.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
All right.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
There he is Daniel Kelly, former NFL scout with the
Jets and author.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
We appreciate your time and your knowledge. Thank you, Daniel.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
You're very welcome. Robin Brian, thank you so much for
having me on. And enjoy the rest of the draft
process and we move towards the big day, yes.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Sir, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
All right, coming up, we put a wrapper bowl on
this Friday edition, the Funky Flashback Friday edition of The
Odd Couple, and again we'll we'll talk about why the
shots continue to be fired that Bill.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Belichick will wrap this bad boy up.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
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Speaker 3 (34:06):
It is the Odd Couple.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
On a funky Flashback Friday, Alex as usual, you did
a bang up job on the music.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
My goodness, gracious, good job. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Rob Parker and Brian Know coming to your live from
the tire Rack dot Com studios.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
As we wrap up the.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Weekend, Brian says he's not moving to New Orleans. Not
this weekend though, right, Brian.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
Yeah, not this week maybe sometime in the next few weeks.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Have you ever lived down there or No?
Speaker 6 (34:35):
No, I haven't lived there. I lived I know You've
been all over, right, how about you? How many places
have you lived?
Speaker 3 (34:41):
I lived a lot, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Grew up in New York, went to college in Connecticut,
first job in Pennsylvania, worked in Cincinnati, worked in Detroit, Yeah,
worked in LA You know what I mean. I've been around.
I've been around. But I'll tell you the first time
mother went to New Orleans. I went to do a
Lion Saints preseason game.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah, and yoused to. We had to get off the
plane and it wasn't attached Just how long ago it was.
It wasn't attached to the airport, so you have to
get off the plant. Brian, you never been on a
plane like that.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
When you get off the plane and you have to
walk walk down the stairs and then into the terminal.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I swear that's how long ago it was.
Speaker 7 (35:25):
It was in the nineties, man.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
And and you know the weather down there in the summer.
You know, I walked off the plane, I meeting soaking wet,
and then they got bugs and all kinds of stuff.
It was like I was like, oh my cause it's
a swamp. I couldn't believe it how bad it was.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
You were like, get me out of here.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yes, I'm not saying don't go there. I'm sorry. I'm
not saying that.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
No, I hear you.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
Man, Where did you hate living the most? Real fast?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
I won't say I hated it, you know, because I
was there long enough, only five months.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
But of all the plays.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Wolfsbury, Pennsylvania, it's like, really three years from New.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
York, Okay, just not big enough for you.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, you know what I mean. But I didn't hate it.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
I really I was there right out of college and
I enjoyed my first job as my first full time
job as a reporter, and I covered I covered Rocket
Ishmael and I covered them when they were in high
school running track.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Can you believe that?
Speaker 6 (36:25):
You know what's crazy is So I grew up in
South Bend, so I would walk over to they called it,
I don't know what they say now, but it was
the loftiest center. You could walk over there, and every
now and then you would see some of these football
players working out. It was when Rocket went to the CFL.
He went to the Toronto Argonauts, right, and I happened
to be there just hanging out, and Rocket was training
(36:47):
with his guy. And I'm telling you, Rob, they were
on the outside lane of the track and they were
just running.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
Laps, laps, right laps at a fast pace.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Fast.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
I'm like, this dude's conditioning is on another level.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Well you could imagine in Wolfsbury, Pennsylvania, they were running,
they were running circles around people.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I was writing about them all the time. That's I
covered high school track. Yeah, out of college real quick.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
I want to back when we had kickoff returns in football,
you know, when he was at Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Oh, you don't have that anymore. And the one way
would have won the national championship and they called it back,
Yes against Colorado. That was That was brutal. That was right,
That was brutal. That was really bad because that would
have been what a finish that was.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
I still remember that speaking about a finish real quick.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
The Bill Belichick bashing.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
I'm not a Bill Belichick guy, the cheating and all
that other stuff, but I think this is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I just don't get it. Do you get it?
Speaker 7 (37:47):
What the Elliott Wolf thing?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Just just all these players like like he didn't do
anything there. I'm just shocked by it.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Yeah, Like, look, man, I can understand that he would
rub you the wrong way if you're in that organize
or if you're a player.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
What do you gain by talking trash?
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Now that's what I'm saying, Well, you should have done
that back when he was winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Just take the high road.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
The guy won six rings and he got passed over
in this job cycle. Why are you talking trash while
he's still looking for a gig?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
How does that benefit you?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Surprising? Doesn't make any sense. I don't know, all right, mister,
No Brian, no man, you are the best. We appreciate
you filling in for Chris. Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
Thanks for having me, Rob. I always good hanging with you, Bud.
You're it's been a while, not two years, that was
two years. It's three times that, not at all.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Yeah, I can't believe. I can't believe Chris and Nis
is our six year together on the ap Ops.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
To you, guys, man, you've been at it. That's awesome,
that's pretty amazing.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
So all right, guys, you know, Jason Smith Mike Harmon
are coming up next to everybody on the odd couple
of crew men.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Have a great weekend. We're appreciate it and we'll see
you Monday.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Peace.
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