July 8, 2025 • 33 mins
Rob and Kelvin debate whether Kevin Durant's subtle shot at Michael Jordan on the Mind the Game podcast should be applauded. Plus, MLBBro.com managing editor JR Gamble helps us address all the biggest headlines in this week's edition of Foul or Fair.
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And last call of course as well, your chance to
jump in and you know, get a last call on
if you weren't able to get in earlier in the program.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Perfect time to do that. KD has some things to say,
Rob Gen, he said, Cable.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Not interested in me, Oh gosh.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Kevin Durant was the latest guest on the Mind the
Game podcast. It was actually the second part of his
interview aired on Tuesday morning, and during the conversation, Kevin
Durant was discussing the importance of being committed and locked
in to the day to day process. That's part of
the reason why he's been able to play so long
(02:46):
while the BRONV play so long.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Steph Curry.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Guys like that is because they understand that part of
longevity means falling in love with the process.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Well, during the course of his end.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's not because they don't play tough defense anymore. And
it's easy just scored an ever before to see you.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Trying to hear the other.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
During the course of his answer, as he was explaining
the importance of being locked in, KD may Or may
not have taken a shot of your favorite player take
a listen.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
You gotta recommit to to this game, just like you
sign a new contract every time you get better as
a player. I always, I truly feel that you got
to recommit and sign that contract with yourself every so
often that like, all right, you know, I'm ten twelve
years in, I got full MVPs and FUX championships, Like,
but do I still want to do that? You know
what I'm saying, because you know, artist, some people say
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I don't want to go play baseball, yeah, and they
don't want to come back. Well, some people say I'm
gonna go twenty two straight.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Go ahead. I want to go ahead.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
So this is always gonna be the hardest thing to
do is to hit a baseball. Right yeah, oh well no, no,
might nobody debating that. Where did that come from?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
And you just mad at somebody else? We were talking
about just a moment ago, a couple of things here.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Uh so Katie obviously had some words for Jordan or
you know it took a shot at Jordan for sure.
I mean clearly that was to Michael Jordan. A couple
of things I want to break down here. I think
Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time,
and I think he is has been a remarkable career.
And I think Lebron you could argue, is the best.
That's the story for another day. But I do just
(04:30):
think cop out. Yes, yes, no, I don't just make
them because they're two different.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
No, it's not he's the greatest basketball player I ever
played in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Okay, that that's that's what I want to hear. And
if you ask me who's the best, No, he's not
the best. And that doesn't make sense. It's like the
Steph Curry thing.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
He's the greatest shooter of all time, but in the
biggest spot when I need a basket, I don't want him.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
To shoot, right because just doesn't make any sense because
you're simplifying something that's simple. Steph Curry makes ninety nine
another shots that most people on Earth can't make. But
if you asked for him to just take one, yeah,
I'm with you. Give me Reggie Miller, give me Damian
Liller is a handful, Larry bird is. That's what makes
the greatest shooter.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Shot.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
One shot does not make you the greatest shot. It's
about making He hasn't made one, but one show. He
hasn't made one. One shot does not make you the
greatest shooter. That's not even agree And that's fine. You
the one brought up Steph Curry.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
So back to what I was trying to say. The
only thing I'll say about this is I do agree
that I think we have lionized Jordan and the fact
that as if he was infallible, nothing went wrong. And
that's my only part. While while have an issue with
with Jordan's Uh, sounds like you didn't cover Michael because
I was there and he was not at the start
(05:46):
of his career. I could go back and show you
newspaper stories when he scored the sixties. I'm not talking no, no, no,
nobody said he was perfect on you you want to go,
I said, you can go, So let me go, Michael Jordan.
I'm not talking about on a night where he might
have shot seven for twenty five in real time. Yeah,
I'm sure somebody. Hey, he was at it off night
talking about now where we now so far away from it.
(06:08):
All we will say is he was six to zero
and I just said he is the greatest. But I
do think it's okay to nitpick like we do when
you're bringing up the greatest of somebody. That means we
have to find small things to nitpick in the challenge,
and my knicks picks with Jordan would be a couple
of things. One those seven years that he didn't do
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anything where he was losing the magic, he was losing Isaiah,
who was losing the bird. He was losing to these
guys and losing to the guys who were quote unquote
better than him, were other guys will be criticized for
losing the people who we thought were better than them.
They we will be criticized, why is he losing to Kobe,
Why is he losing this person?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Why is he losing this stuff?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Most people get criticized so that Jordan doesn't often get
criticized for that.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I think that's a fair point.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Also think it's a fair point when you talk about
how many times he got swept in the first round
or didn't make it out of the first round, or
when you talk about he couldn't beat Isaiah Thomas and
those Piston teams until Isaiah Thomas retired a couple years later.
And so that Bill Lambiard, some of those guys think
that's a fair point. You're just you gotta start nippicking.
And then also what his point was. Michael Jordan himself said,
I couldn't have just survived in the Twitter era, he said,
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because I'm so big into privacy, And he talked about
how for him that was the challenge for him the
mental aspect. He said, Physically, I'm already worn out, but
mentally I'm super drained. And that's why he retired and
went on to play baseball. And I do believe that
is a part of what has made what made Kobe
Bryant great, what made Lebron great, That they have to
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have dealt with criticism from all angles in new mediums
that nobody else has ever had to deal with and
then still show up when Lebron became the black hat
for the first time in his life out with playing
the Mavericks. He didn't fold it and go away. I
can't take the criticism, and I'm gonna wait. He went
and got better and came back and won. Kobe Bryant
was coming back to La on a helicopter from a trial,
(07:58):
a literal trial, fighting prison time and playing games and
balling out, and so I'm not.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I'm not. I fully understand stuff goes on.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
But Michael Jordan needed a break, a reprieve after eight
nine years to go play baseball for a couple of years.
Then he came back, played a few more years, then
he retired again before a couple came back a couple
of years. So all I'm saying is it's okay to
criticize Michael Jordan. He can still be the goat, but
it is okay to say that he did he had
some fallacies. Are not fallacies, some things that he was
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not the best at, or he had some things, or
he made some mistakes, or that I didn't like that
he did that, And that's all I'm saying. I think
it's okay to point those out. And yet still can
say he's the greatest. Similarly, the way we'll do with Lebron,
you'll no.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You make an excuse, you're like the biggest I'm dead serious,
the biggest Lebron apologist I've ever heard.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
That's the first I'm gonna tell you. No, listen to me.
Listen to me. I think you are.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
And that's why people think you'll like on the on
the you're on the pay you are the.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Biggest Ron ROGI. No matter what, nobody was good, nobody.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Was good in Cleveland, Lebron didn't have anybody. When Michael
Jordan went to Chicago, what did the Bulls win? Scotty
Pippen was this great player, but he never won finals
MVP even though he was so great, and he's the
reason Michael Jordan won.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
This is a nonsense. I'm just just hit me out.
This is what people try to make up some scenario. Oh,
the only thing you talk about is Lebron. Is Michael
Jordan being six and zero? No, he was.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
He was a scoring lead of ten straight times. He
won so many awards. Defensively, he did everything. Nobody's saying
he's perfect. But this whole notion that the reason Lebron
didn't win is because there's Twitter, or the reason that
he didn't win is because Skip Bayless and Rob Parker
and Chris Bussard had a morning show on the ESPN.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Turn the show off. Really, come on, man, that is weak.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's the reason that Lebron didn't win. It is because
there was debates warts talk show, or because some guy
in his mother's basement is tweeting about Lebron.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
And he can't handle it.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Oh my god, this is what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I can't handle it.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
What the point is everybody that, oh, Lebron, He's the
one who put on his back and a tattoo, the
chosen One. He's the one who called himself the king.
That wasn't anybody else. When you do that, you put
a target on your back. When you talk about you're
the king and you're the chosen One, and then you
want to belly ach about it. You go from team
(10:37):
to team trying to stack your freaking team, and you
still don't win. You still lose more than any other
NBA MVP in the history of the sport. You come
to LA you complain that they I don't have anybody
a d that's not good enough.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
We need more players.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
You get Luca, one of the best players in the league,
you still get knocked out in the first round.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You're gonna blame everybody.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
He never takes responsibility that it's him or that.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
He made the move.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
You talk about Cleveland doing anything, Oh, Cleveland doing didn't
do anything. The front offense. He's the one to win.
Got Westbrook? Did he get Westbrook or did the Lakers
get wet. You know the best part about this ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
You say I'm the homer for Lebron, which is the
furthest thing from the truth. You're so obsessed with him.
You didn't even have anything to say about Michael Jordan.
The whole point of this was what Katie said about Jordan.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
No, the whole point is is that no matter what,
and this is why you can't be honest and just
Michael Jordan is the greatest. I just said it because
you started out where you have to put out that
is the best team.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
It does I would explain it.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
First of all, Michael Jordan's the greatest, and you and
the best. And that's another conversation. I can not we
sit here every single day, you me, Rob g Alex
and Steve and I will be the first one to
tell you Lebron needs to give up the rock more.
I'll be the first one to tell you, Lebron, I
don't like that that your son is coming up and
down off the G League.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Keep him down there.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I'll be the first one to tell you what do
I call him Alex the Olay Girls because he don't
play any defense. I'll be the first one to tell
you he's the most passive aggressive person on social media.
You just lost by forty not saying you can't be
on it, but they're calling me to watch king look
at me. I had the twenty five points to night.
I'll be the first one. I have no problem criticism.
(12:29):
He don't owe me nothing. I don't owe him nothing.
I would criticize him. I'll criticize anybody. I'll even criticize
Aaron Rodgers. I will because you.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Won't rob G.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
When Aaron Rodgers went to New York to play for
the Jets, what did I say? I said it was
a mistake, and he made a mistake and it would
come back to be a mistake on his career. Okay,
so you could go here and say I never said anything.
You send you many video. I can send me many videos.
You won't send me many. You'll save me one. Say
(13:04):
to you one, send you plenty of. This's gonna be
different angles of the same video. No, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
So you get that fired up about Lebron, I'm feeling
like you love. I'm just trying to say the same thing, Jordan.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Michael Lebron. You had to play.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
You had to play when they have TV sets on
and they said them and Skip Bayley said something about Lebron.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I don't know how he even competed. Let me tell you,
let me tell you something. It was a morning show
on you know what.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Don't turn the TV on, don't go to Twitter, don't
go don't go to IG. If you're so worked up
about social media that you can't exist, you so worked
up about Lebron?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
My goodness, why are you so worked up about him?
G what's the topic here? I mean, what what's the
what are we doing? That's the point. You got so
worked up? You don went all over there, all over there?
Eight seven, seven ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
On Fox, did Kevin Durant have a point about Michael Jordan?
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Do we glos? That was my conversation.
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So right now we're taking phone calls. Eight seven seven
ninety nine on Fox The Rarity, Katie had something to
took a little shot at George Jordan was at home
minding a little cigar and whiskey and got it. Took
us straight eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Who we got.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Kevin in South Carolina. You're in the odd couple of
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
What's up? Kevin?
Speaker 10 (16:14):
Hey, guys, how's it going? What's up show?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Thank you?
Speaker 10 (16:19):
Yeah. I think Katie was out of pocket when he
was talking about Jordan. Uh, you know, baseball for two
years because people tend to forget Jordan's dad was murdered. Yep,
That's why he stepped away from the game. He was
grieving and he just wanted to do something that he
loved that he and his dad shared. So it had
nothing to do with checking out the basketball. It had
to do with his his dad being murdered, and he,
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you know, mentally, he needed to step away for his
own mental well being. Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
That's a great, a great point, Kevin.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
But I just that still for me, first of all,
I don't even want to ever minimize the grieving of
a parent that let that's almost just put that in
some category that's a whole other level without a doubt
for me to still stepping away, you know, that was
just something that. You know, again, if you nitpicking with Jordan,
you brought it up. I had no problem with that,
just like I could nitpick with Joe Montana, nick pick
(17:10):
with whoever, whoever the greats are and anything to me,
you know, when we're having those conversations, Well, we also.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Got to be honest because if I know that that
sounds you know, romantic, and obviously your parent dies and
you're a greeting through it. Michael Jordan said himself had
nothing to do with him retiring. I mean absolutely, he
said on the record, and he read it online alay times.
Everyone wants to know if my father's does any dude
with this. I was kind of leaning in this direction before,
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and he knew about it.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
And they told Jerry Ryan's Off, the owner of the Bulls.
He had mentioned the year before. Yeah, he said they
were hanging out and Jordan said kind of mentioned baseball
a couple of times. He was like, like, yeah, this
might be it. I might actually want to go pursue that.
So that's why he wasn't as blown away we wanted
to retire. The year after the back to back, Phil
Jackson had talking about come on Nobody Magic and Bird
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had he never won three, so so come on, try
to win three and then you can do what you
want to do.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
I think that's my biggest My biggest thing is that
it's okay for him to be criticized, you know what
I mean, and as we should it with Kobe.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
He was criticized when he played. This is this is
the I'm not I believe you. I'm not saying somebody.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I just want to say as somebody who seriously and
I'm not trying to pull rank or or diminish your
basketball watching or whatever.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
But I was. I was actually covering the league during that.
That's all.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
That's all I'm giving you my perspective because I was there.
I wasn't watching on YouTube, I wasn't at home. I
was actually there and I and I and I remember
what was going on, and I remember the criticism that
Michael got, and I remember people saying he doesn't make
anybody better, and it's okay, go ahead and score your
sixty three points against the Celtics. You're not winning. I
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remember people questioning whether or not he would ever win.
He didn't win right away. So then when it was
six or seven.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Years when he started to win, after he won his
second one, and then it was like, we can't criticize
him any you know what I mean, Not that you
can't come because I know you covered it, but I
also know that the media wasn't as strong as prevalent
as it is now. There are one't as many talking
heads than his arm No, but you can go back
and look at the articles.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
And the YouTube clips and everything.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
There were people glossing over Michael or glazing as the
kids say, in the middle of his run.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
His career wasn't over and they were already called him
great exactly could that be the greatest player ever?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
And You're like, okay now, and that's why I go
to you.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
And that's so different than what you see today with
But the difference here too, and I'll say this, the
mindset even with Michael Jordan compared to.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Lebron that I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Lebron is the one who decided he wanted to chase
Michael and decided that winning a certain amount of rings
would make him better. The one thing I respect and
admire about Michael Jordan is that Bill Russell had a
level like that was not He never was like all
I got to stick around because I won six. And
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I want to get to Bill like he was satisfied
with where he was and his contribution to the game.
And that's and that's what he was satisfied the three
he was because he was happy that he did something
that Magic and Michael never did, which was three me.
You know what I mean, like like like he was satisfied.
He didn't feel like that. And and and to just
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say it's only as somebody who lived the sports debate
talk show and I was on Cole Pizza when it
was first born, and being a part of that, I
just feel different. We we it was just it was
a conversation that happened. But to think that it was
that that made you feel you needed to do something
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in order to be validated.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
But I really do though. I just here's why I
say that. Here's why I say that.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I'm so glad you said that Michael Jordan could have
retired after the three peat. Bob Costas was saying, could
that be the greatest ever? After his third? You know,
I'm watching the last dance. He just said it. I've
just watched a couple episodes ago. And my point is
the fact that he could have three rings were and
only was like thirty I think thirty ish twenty nine
when he did that. The fact that we could already
(21:13):
say he's the greatest ever with three rings is my point.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
It wasn't based on ring So that's why I was
ring with you.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
That's why I said the ring culture conversation started later
when the debate shows me and I told you it's
always been a compliment to Kobe because he's the first
person you could legitimately go, okay, well he just won
three straight like Jordan, so he can't say he never
won three straight.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
He won three straight.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
He was very young and he had a whole career
ahead of him, and you start to go, well, shoot,
could he be better than Jordan? And that's when to me,
is this kid already better?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Come?
Speaker 5 (21:43):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Because he has five?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
He is?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
And that's when I started to see it wasn't a
Lebron thing for me. He was a Kobe thing because
he was the first time you looked and you actually
legitimately said, oh, shoot, could he be? And that's when
we started to do the ring thing. And now Lebron
comes into that, and when you be thing like like
the end all be all it was, but it never.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Was the end all be all because if that was
the case, and this is my point about the about
the ring thing, the reason that it came into effect
or the conversation is because this guy shows up, says
he's the chosen one, he's the king, he's going after
Michael Jordan, he's whatever. So people when you start to
look at their all right criteria, what he's doing in
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his career and resume yes, then you like you just
talked about nitpicking, right, If you're gonna look at guy's
numbers and see what he's done and all this other stuff,
then you start to look, okay, MVP, you start to
count stuff. So then that that's where a ring of course,
but that's not the end all be all. That Michael
(22:46):
Jordan is not crowned just off of six and zero.
And I'll give you the reason why. Because if Tim Duncan,
if Kawhi Leonard doesn't miss the extra, the free throw whatever,
and he and Tim Duncan goes six and oh, nobody
says he's the he's the goat.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Would you agree with that? Nobody?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So it's not just say and Tim Duncan would have
been six and oh, just like Michael Jordan and and
nobody ever even addressed or thought that Tim Duncan was
the go Would you agree with that? So it tells
you that it's not just the rings because he was
five and one and that close to being six and oh,
but that's never in that.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I agree with the completely with that. But the issue
is he was never in the conversation. So he was
never going to be in the conversation.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
But that that's but I'm saying because it wasn't just
a ring conversation.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
If it was, how could he not be in it?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
But if it was ring, well, all right, we got
we gotta get to j R. Gamble on the other side,
as it was trending. Uh, Steve, looking at me right now?
Like hey, many.
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Speaker 3 (24:23):
That ball is It was.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
A big week in the big leagues.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Who's who's a believe?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Is it foul or is it fair?
Speaker 8 (24:34):
And now from mlbdbro dot com, here's JR.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Gamble.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
That's right, it is Fowler fair here on the Okaple
Fox Sports Radio. And we got our resident baseball inside
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other than JR.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Gamble.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
What's up, fellas?
Speaker 5 (24:52):
What up?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Bruh? What's happening?
Speaker 7 (24:54):
I'm good, I'm good man loving the odd couple you know,
locked in every day to hit, just destroy Robin's it's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I'm gonna tell you need to change the station because
you got it. We'll never tell him to change the station. Ride.
I'll tell him just say we disagree to the radio.
Just be careful. Still you a right?
Speaker 5 (25:12):
I got I got three baseball questions and Jr is
the start of the segment. He gets the first crack
at every single one. So let's get to it. Baseball
seven hundred and sixty five million dollars. Man wants Soto
got off to that slow start, but he was National
League Player of the Month in June and he entered
Sunday rank sixth in the n Allen War among position players,
second in on base percentage eighth and o PS third,
(25:32):
and run scores.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
He's been on a heater JR.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
With that in mind, Fouler fair to say Soto got
snubbed from the All Star Game.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
It's the Rob Parker jinks fair ball. Soto's carrying a
huge burden in that mess lineup, and yeah, Rob didn't
say he would struggle, but despite the slow start, the
numbers were killing them. For are numbers that we give
guys like Jack Chisholm and Byron Buxton a lot of
(26:03):
credit for. So some people were up in arms about
BET's not even getting the All Star call. He's batting
under two fifties and that's the end of an eight
year street. So you know, when Soto got all that money,
to me, it was inevitable that the standard would kind
of raise. I guess people weren't really expecting. People weren't
expecting Aaron Judge type numbers, But that Mets line is good,
(26:25):
but it's not scary. You know, he's probably got it
rougher than ever hitting without a man in matato or
a tactics or a judge.
Speaker 10 (26:33):
Or a stanton.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
But he is top twenty most categories and does winning matter.
He's on a Mets team that has fifty two wins
in one game out of first. He's doing his damn job.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I say it's foul. That is a foul ball. What'd
you say? Fair? Yeah, fallI fitter said he got star rob.
It's fair that he got snubbed.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Fair that I mean fair because he just diad H'm
play well for almost two months. Come on, you know
you can should be foul foul And that's what I
said originally, Right, Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Is a foul ball.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I'm mixed up. But he didn't play well for two months.
It's no shocker that the fans didn't vote for him.
When you're the guy and you don't perform, just like
we just saw Mookie bets and not make the also team
for first time. He got off to a bad start
and people look at that stuff. Otherwise, If we're just
putting the same guys every year, what would be the
point on voting that's.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Not what we do.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah, I think it's fair and pretty much the opposite points.
I mean, the same point you're saying, rob, but just
opposite way of looking at it. I think it's because
people were looking at him and saying, oh, man, he's
a seven hundred something million dollar man, I expect this.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
I expect that.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Well, ultimately you ended up getting those numbers you expected,
and he's producing at those high rates. Just started off slow.
So why am I being snubbed for that? For starting
off a little snow slow when.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I'm balling now?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
So I think it's absolutely fair that he was snubbed
and he I mean, his numbers ranked way too high
for him not to be to be sitting at home
on the couch, all right.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Rom Fowler Fair j R. Gamble with the couple guys.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Despite being saddled with the second youngest group haitors in
baseball and the sixth youngest pitching staff. Last week, the
National decided to fire World Series champion manager and the
winningest manager of franchise history, of course, Dave Martinez.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Easy question for EJ.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Are foul or fair to say that Martinez got a
raw deal?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I'm a woman.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Up, a woman but.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Not that raw.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Because Martinez had his moment. Maybe he could have given
him the season, but he had his moment. I'm sure
there's another job for him out there. The natus at
rebuild it right. They have a young core Mike Rizzo.
He's a keen GM, he's no dummy. It's probably time
for another voice. You gotta figure. There's probably some rumblings
(29:00):
that martinez coaches style little outdated or maybe went stale
on this young group of guys. Eight seasons. He's been
there felas twenty nineteen, he won the World Series, but
hasn't had a winning season seen, so they probably stuck
with him too long.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
If you ask me, foul that is a foul ball.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
That's a long time in baseball, Seriously, not to have
a winning record, and they you know, he won a
championship and you get years for that, and they did that.
And I know Dave really well, he's done everything. That's
a long time in any place. And I think it
was good now. If they would have fired him three
or four years ago, I thought it would have been
(29:42):
unfair to give him such a short period of time
when they're rebuilding. They had a really bad stretch this year.
And you know that's what happens in baseball.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Man, That is absolutely foul.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
That is a falliba, because absolutely you're gonna get canned
if you start losing that much. They expect it then
because you can't win and then lose, lose, lose, lose.
You gotta win and at least be good to keep
up with the fact that, all right, we're a good,
solid team. When you win, all of a sudden, there
are expectations, and he didn't meet the expectations. He got
a longer lease than most guys do managing or coaching.
(30:12):
You named the sport. So to me, he had a
good run. Good on the resume. I had a nice
little six seven year You know a coach that's a
good run with one club and you got a World
Series ring, you'll get a you'll go get a job
of this offseason.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
He's fine, all right. Last one Fowler Fair Jr. Gamble
with the odd couple guys. Last night, Maddy Machado got
his two thousand threer hit. In the process, he became
one of only twelve players all time with two thousand
plus hits at three hundred fifty plus homers three eight
to thirty two. The other eleven in that club are
either already in the Hall of Fame or are virtual
locks to get in at some point when they retire.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
So Jr. Here's the question.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Is Maddy Machado Fowler fair to say Manuchada's already a
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
It's a ball and that's one of the easiers in baseball.
I don't think anybody's dispute that. To me, he's the
most consistent hitter in baseball over the past decade. Just
look at the numbers. He's one of the greatest field
in third basemen in history, especially during his early years
in Baltimore and comparing his bluff to Brooks Robinson he
also played short force fell I dare say he's one
(31:19):
of the most underrated players of the last twenty five years.
Looking man Mchallas baseball card thirty bigions, one hundred eyes
like clockwork, like he played in the nineties or something.
So he's gonna have the Hall of Fame numbers to
end his career. Not sure where the bad wreck comes in,
because I know players love him and he's known as
one of the greatest leaders in the game. His only
mistakes going to San Diego taking that money.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Foul.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
That is a foul ball.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Not a Hall of Famer already.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
No, oh god stop, you know he's.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Got two thousand yards.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
No, he's not Lord if he did nothing else, it's
not automatic. There's a guys who have hit over three
or your fifty home runs and want in the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
It ain't automatic. I'm just period. I'm just saying I
remember it a period. It's not He's not already in
the Hall of Fame. You gotta finish out the job.
That's all I'm saying. His numbers are going to be there.
He's going to be there because of what he's done.
But I'm not saying if he didn't do anything else
automatically he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
I'm not convinced to that.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
This one was a tough one, to be honest with you,
because both you have some great points and the same thing.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I was leading. But I'm a go fair.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
But what I thought about this, what I said was
why Rob might be kind of right if we stopped today.
It's because he's kind of unlikable, and I think that
does play a role sometimes in sports. Sometimes we don't
like to think about it needs to just be numbers
in your accolades.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
But we do know sometimes that players role.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
I mean, you can look at taroll Owens not getting
in first ballot when he's arguably the third fourth best receiver.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Ever.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
That happens from time to time, and I think that
is little little small things that kind of hover around
his name, the non hustling, the little weird antics that
he has. I could see why, if it stopped today,
people could use that against him.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
But at the end of the day, I'm a slide
barely lean over the fair. I'll give you that's fair.
Can I just say this real quick?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Andre Dawson was a great player, right, and guess what I'm.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Just I'm just giving you.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
But I'm just giving you Andre Dawson. How many how
many homew was it? Andre Dawson hit you know, four
hundred and thirty eight and it took him nine years
to get into the Hall of Fame. It took him
nine years, so he wasn't automatic and many has three fifty.
That's all I'm saying. I believe he will be an MVP.
I mean, he'll be in.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
The Hall of Fame. That's why. That's what I'm saying
for me, I get your point, but it stop. Two days.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Andre Dawson, eight time All Star, was Rookie of the Year,
won an MVP, eight cold Gloves, four times Silver Slacks,
and it took him nine years to get it.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
It's a fair point.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
That's why I said it feels right.
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You're working on it right now on YouTube. We gotta
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We gotta do it right, make up, getting a scene,
you know what I mean, Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I mean, we gotta hit real like what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
You know, you know what, I'm surprised I haven't gotten
to Texas say you gotta make that that short.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Songs too short? We need to you know, like excu
you and rob our fools? Is that what the go?
Get a whopper right now? There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
See coming up in about twenty seven minutes. JR Gamble
file affair from mlbbro dot com. I'll be heading to
the All Star Game. Can't wait to go to Atlanta
and hang out there.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
He'll be there.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
And last call of course as well, your chance to
jump in and you know, get a last call on
if you weren't able to get in earlier in the program.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Perfect time to do that. KD has some things to say,
Rob Gen, he said, Cable.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Not interested in me, Oh gosh.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Kevin Durant was the latest guest on the Mind the
Game podcast. It was actually the second part of his
interview aired on Tuesday morning, and during the conversation, Kevin
Durant was discussing the importance of being committed and locked
in to the day to day process. That's part of
the reason why he's been able to play so long
(02:46):
while the BRONV play so long.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Steph Curry.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Guys like that is because they understand that part of
longevity means falling in love with the process.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Well, during the course of his end.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's not because they don't play tough defense anymore. And
it's easy just scored an ever before to see you.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Trying to hear the other.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
During the course of his answer, as he was explaining
the importance of being locked in, KD may Or may
not have taken a shot of your favorite player take
a listen.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
You gotta recommit to to this game, just like you
sign a new contract every time you get better as
a player. I always, I truly feel that you got
to recommit and sign that contract with yourself every so
often that like, all right, you know, I'm ten twelve
years in, I got full MVPs and FUX championships, Like,
but do I still want to do that? You know
what I'm saying, because you know, artist, some people say
(03:37):
I don't want to go play baseball, yeah, and they
don't want to come back. Well, some people say I'm
gonna go twenty two straight.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Go ahead. I want to go ahead.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
So this is always gonna be the hardest thing to
do is to hit a baseball. Right yeah, oh well no, no,
might nobody debating that. Where did that come from?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
And you just mad at somebody else? We were talking
about just a moment ago, a couple of things here.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Uh so Katie obviously had some words for Jordan or
you know it took a shot at Jordan for sure.
I mean clearly that was to Michael Jordan. A couple
of things I want to break down here. I think
Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time,
and I think he is has been a remarkable career.
And I think Lebron you could argue, is the best.
That's the story for another day. But I do just
(04:30):
think cop out. Yes, yes, no, I don't just make
them because they're two different.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
No, it's not he's the greatest basketball player I ever
played in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Okay, that that's that's what I want to hear. And
if you ask me who's the best, No, he's not
the best. And that doesn't make sense. It's like the
Steph Curry thing.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
He's the greatest shooter of all time, but in the
biggest spot when I need a basket, I don't want him.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
To shoot, right because just doesn't make any sense because
you're simplifying something that's simple. Steph Curry makes ninety nine
another shots that most people on Earth can't make. But
if you asked for him to just take one, yeah,
I'm with you. Give me Reggie Miller, give me Damian
Liller is a handful, Larry bird is. That's what makes
the greatest shooter.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Shot.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
One shot does not make you the greatest shot. It's
about making He hasn't made one, but one show. He
hasn't made one. One shot does not make you the
greatest shooter. That's not even agree And that's fine. You
the one brought up Steph Curry.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
So back to what I was trying to say. The
only thing I'll say about this is I do agree
that I think we have lionized Jordan and the fact
that as if he was infallible, nothing went wrong. And
that's my only part. While while have an issue with
with Jordan's Uh, sounds like you didn't cover Michael because
I was there and he was not at the start
(05:46):
of his career. I could go back and show you
newspaper stories when he scored the sixties. I'm not talking no, no, no,
nobody said he was perfect on you you want to go,
I said, you can go, So let me go, Michael Jordan.
I'm not talking about on a night where he might
have shot seven for twenty five in real time. Yeah,
I'm sure somebody. Hey, he was at it off night
talking about now where we now so far away from it.
(06:08):
All we will say is he was six to zero
and I just said he is the greatest. But I
do think it's okay to nitpick like we do when
you're bringing up the greatest of somebody. That means we
have to find small things to nitpick in the challenge,
and my knicks picks with Jordan would be a couple
of things. One those seven years that he didn't do
(06:28):
anything where he was losing the magic, he was losing Isaiah,
who was losing the bird. He was losing to these
guys and losing to the guys who were quote unquote
better than him, were other guys will be criticized for
losing the people who we thought were better than them.
They we will be criticized, why is he losing to Kobe,
Why is he losing this person?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Why is he losing this stuff?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Most people get criticized so that Jordan doesn't often get
criticized for that.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I think that's a fair point.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Also think it's a fair point when you talk about
how many times he got swept in the first round
or didn't make it out of the first round, or
when you talk about he couldn't beat Isaiah Thomas and
those Piston teams until Isaiah Thomas retired a couple years later.
And so that Bill Lambiard, some of those guys think
that's a fair point. You're just you gotta start nippicking.
And then also what his point was. Michael Jordan himself said,
I couldn't have just survived in the Twitter era, he said,
(07:14):
because I'm so big into privacy, And he talked about
how for him that was the challenge for him the
mental aspect. He said, Physically, I'm already worn out, but
mentally I'm super drained. And that's why he retired and
went on to play baseball. And I do believe that
is a part of what has made what made Kobe
Bryant great, what made Lebron great, That they have to
(07:34):
have dealt with criticism from all angles in new mediums
that nobody else has ever had to deal with and
then still show up when Lebron became the black hat
for the first time in his life out with playing
the Mavericks. He didn't fold it and go away. I
can't take the criticism, and I'm gonna wait. He went
and got better and came back and won. Kobe Bryant
was coming back to La on a helicopter from a trial,
(07:58):
a literal trial, fighting prison time and playing games and
balling out, and so I'm not.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I'm not. I fully understand stuff goes on.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
But Michael Jordan needed a break, a reprieve after eight
nine years to go play baseball for a couple of years.
Then he came back, played a few more years, then
he retired again before a couple came back a couple
of years. So all I'm saying is it's okay to
criticize Michael Jordan. He can still be the goat, but
it is okay to say that he did he had
some fallacies. Are not fallacies, some things that he was
(08:27):
not the best at, or he had some things, or
he made some mistakes, or that I didn't like that
he did that, And that's all I'm saying. I think
it's okay to point those out. And yet still can
say he's the greatest. Similarly, the way we'll do with Lebron,
you'll no.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You make an excuse, you're like the biggest I'm dead serious,
the biggest Lebron apologist I've ever heard.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
That's the first I'm gonna tell you. No, listen to me.
Listen to me. I think you are.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
And that's why people think you'll like on the on
the you're on the pay you are the.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Biggest Ron ROGI. No matter what, nobody was good, nobody.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Was good in Cleveland, Lebron didn't have anybody. When Michael
Jordan went to Chicago, what did the Bulls win? Scotty
Pippen was this great player, but he never won finals
MVP even though he was so great, and he's the
reason Michael Jordan won.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
This is a nonsense. I'm just just hit me out.
This is what people try to make up some scenario. Oh,
the only thing you talk about is Lebron. Is Michael
Jordan being six and zero? No, he was.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
He was a scoring lead of ten straight times. He
won so many awards. Defensively, he did everything. Nobody's saying
he's perfect. But this whole notion that the reason Lebron
didn't win is because there's Twitter, or the reason that
he didn't win is because Skip Bayless and Rob Parker
and Chris Bussard had a morning show on the ESPN.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Turn the show off. Really, come on, man, that is weak.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's the reason that Lebron didn't win. It is because
there was debates warts talk show, or because some guy
in his mother's basement is tweeting about Lebron.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
And he can't handle it.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Oh my god, this is what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
I can't handle it.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
What the point is everybody that, oh, Lebron, He's the
one who put on his back and a tattoo, the
chosen One. He's the one who called himself the king.
That wasn't anybody else. When you do that, you put
a target on your back. When you talk about you're
the king and you're the chosen One, and then you
want to belly ach about it. You go from team
(10:37):
to team trying to stack your freaking team, and you
still don't win. You still lose more than any other
NBA MVP in the history of the sport. You come
to LA you complain that they I don't have anybody
a d that's not good enough.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
We need more players.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
You get Luca, one of the best players in the league,
you still get knocked out in the first round.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You're gonna blame everybody.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
He never takes responsibility that it's him or that.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
He made the move.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
You talk about Cleveland doing anything, Oh, Cleveland doing didn't
do anything. The front offense. He's the one to win.
Got Westbrook? Did he get Westbrook or did the Lakers
get wet. You know the best part about this ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
You say I'm the homer for Lebron, which is the
furthest thing from the truth. You're so obsessed with him.
You didn't even have anything to say about Michael Jordan.
The whole point of this was what Katie said about Jordan.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
No, the whole point is is that no matter what,
and this is why you can't be honest and just
Michael Jordan is the greatest. I just said it because
you started out where you have to put out that
is the best team.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
It does I would explain it.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
First of all, Michael Jordan's the greatest, and you and
the best. And that's another conversation. I can not we
sit here every single day, you me, Rob g Alex
and Steve and I will be the first one to
tell you Lebron needs to give up the rock more.
I'll be the first one to tell you, Lebron, I
don't like that that your son is coming up and
down off the G League.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Keep him down there.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I'll be the first one to tell you what do
I call him Alex the Olay Girls because he don't
play any defense. I'll be the first one to tell
you he's the most passive aggressive person on social media.
You just lost by forty not saying you can't be
on it, but they're calling me to watch king look
at me. I had the twenty five points to night.
I'll be the first one. I have no problem criticism.
(12:29):
He don't owe me nothing. I don't owe him nothing.
I would criticize him. I'll criticize anybody. I'll even criticize
Aaron Rodgers. I will because you.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Won't rob G.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
When Aaron Rodgers went to New York to play for
the Jets, what did I say? I said it was
a mistake, and he made a mistake and it would
come back to be a mistake on his career. Okay,
so you could go here and say I never said anything.
You send you many video. I can send me many videos.
You won't send me many. You'll save me one. Say
(13:04):
to you one, send you plenty of. This's gonna be
different angles of the same video. No, it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
So you get that fired up about Lebron, I'm feeling
like you love. I'm just trying to say the same thing, Jordan.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Michael Lebron. You had to play.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
You had to play when they have TV sets on
and they said them and Skip Bayley said something about Lebron.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I don't know how he even competed. Let me tell you,
let me tell you something. It was a morning show
on you know what.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Don't turn the TV on, don't go to Twitter, don't
go don't go to IG. If you're so worked up
about social media that you can't exist, you so worked
up about Lebron?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
My goodness, why are you so worked up about him?
G what's the topic here? I mean, what what's the
what are we doing? That's the point. You got so
worked up? You don went all over there, all over there?
Eight seven, seven ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
On Fox, did Kevin Durant have a point about Michael Jordan?
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Do we glos? That was my conversation.
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Speaker 3 (15:03):
A look, are you trying to send a message? Nope?
Do you want to take Rob to Summer League? Maybe
in Vegas? Is that what's going on? We hang out
we canna be a sponsor for Burger king.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Well yeah, well you mean they would SPONSORESSU. That's right,
you mean endorsers.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Oh yeah, stick of it, Rob.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Here's my image.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Right, we're holding whoppers. We have a shirt that says
reel in caps with a period, and we just go
like this.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Burgers are real, right, But you have to be prepared
to sing it to drop up a dine because I'm down.
You know they want to hear Oh, I want to
hear you singing, So get ready for that. Our couple
Robin Kevin on a trash talking Tuesday. And if you
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can keep moving. Use as directed. We got JR. Gamble
mlbbro dot Com managing editor file or Fair with him
coming up here in about six seven minutes after trending,
So right now we're taking phone calls. Eight seven seven
ninety nine on Fox The Rarity, Katie had something to
took a little shot at George Jordan was at home
minding a little cigar and whiskey and got it. Took
us straight eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Who we got.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Kevin in South Carolina. You're in the odd couple of
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
What's up? Kevin?
Speaker 10 (16:14):
Hey, guys, how's it going? What's up show?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Thank you?
Speaker 10 (16:19):
Yeah. I think Katie was out of pocket when he
was talking about Jordan. Uh, you know, baseball for two
years because people tend to forget Jordan's dad was murdered. Yep,
That's why he stepped away from the game. He was
grieving and he just wanted to do something that he
loved that he and his dad shared. So it had
nothing to do with checking out the basketball. It had
to do with his his dad being murdered, and he,
(16:42):
you know, mentally, he needed to step away for his
own mental well being. Uh.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
That's a great, a great point, Kevin.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
But I just that still for me, first of all,
I don't even want to ever minimize the grieving of
a parent that let that's almost just put that in
some category that's a whole other level without a doubt
for me to still stepping away, you know, that was
just something that. You know, again, if you nitpicking with Jordan,
you brought it up. I had no problem with that,
just like I could nitpick with Joe Montana, nick pick
(17:10):
with whoever, whoever the greats are and anything to me,
you know, when we're having those conversations, Well, we also.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Got to be honest because if I know that that
sounds you know, romantic, and obviously your parent dies and
you're a greeting through it. Michael Jordan said himself had
nothing to do with him retiring. I mean absolutely, he
said on the record, and he read it online alay times.
Everyone wants to know if my father's does any dude
with this. I was kind of leaning in this direction before,
(17:35):
and he knew about it.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
And they told Jerry Ryan's Off, the owner of the Bulls.
He had mentioned the year before. Yeah, he said they
were hanging out and Jordan said kind of mentioned baseball
a couple of times. He was like, like, yeah, this
might be it. I might actually want to go pursue that.
So that's why he wasn't as blown away we wanted
to retire. The year after the back to back, Phil
Jackson had talking about come on Nobody Magic and Bird
(17:57):
had he never won three, so so come on, try
to win three and then you can do what you
want to do.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
I think that's my biggest My biggest thing is that
it's okay for him to be criticized, you know what
I mean, and as we should it with Kobe.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
He was criticized when he played. This is this is
the I'm not I believe you. I'm not saying somebody.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I just want to say as somebody who seriously and
I'm not trying to pull rank or or diminish your
basketball watching or whatever.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
But I was. I was actually covering the league during that.
That's all.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
That's all I'm giving you my perspective because I was there.
I wasn't watching on YouTube, I wasn't at home. I
was actually there and I and I and I remember
what was going on, and I remember the criticism that
Michael got, and I remember people saying he doesn't make
anybody better, and it's okay, go ahead and score your
sixty three points against the Celtics. You're not winning. I
(18:48):
remember people questioning whether or not he would ever win.
He didn't win right away. So then when it was
six or seven.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Years when he started to win, after he won his
second one, and then it was like, we can't criticize
him any you know what I mean, Not that you
can't come because I know you covered it, but I
also know that the media wasn't as strong as prevalent
as it is now. There are one't as many talking
heads than his arm No, but you can go back
and look at the articles.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
And the YouTube clips and everything.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
There were people glossing over Michael or glazing as the
kids say, in the middle of his run.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
His career wasn't over and they were already called him
great exactly could that be the greatest player ever?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
And You're like, okay now, and that's why I go
to you.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
And that's so different than what you see today with
But the difference here too, and I'll say this, the
mindset even with Michael Jordan compared to.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Lebron that I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Lebron is the one who decided he wanted to chase
Michael and decided that winning a certain amount of rings
would make him better. The one thing I respect and
admire about Michael Jordan is that Bill Russell had a
level like that was not He never was like all
I got to stick around because I won six. And
(20:03):
I want to get to Bill like he was satisfied
with where he was and his contribution to the game.
And that's and that's what he was satisfied the three
he was because he was happy that he did something
that Magic and Michael never did, which was three me.
You know what I mean, like like like he was satisfied.
He didn't feel like that. And and and to just
(20:24):
say it's only as somebody who lived the sports debate
talk show and I was on Cole Pizza when it
was first born, and being a part of that, I
just feel different. We we it was just it was
a conversation that happened. But to think that it was
that that made you feel you needed to do something
(20:46):
in order to be validated.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
But I really do though. I just here's why I
say that. Here's why I say that.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I'm so glad you said that Michael Jordan could have
retired after the three peat. Bob Costas was saying, could
that be the greatest ever? After his third? You know,
I'm watching the last dance. He just said it. I've
just watched a couple episodes ago. And my point is
the fact that he could have three rings were and
only was like thirty I think thirty ish twenty nine
when he did that. The fact that we could already
(21:13):
say he's the greatest ever with three rings is my point.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
It wasn't based on ring So that's why I was
ring with you.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
That's why I said the ring culture conversation started later
when the debate shows me and I told you it's
always been a compliment to Kobe because he's the first
person you could legitimately go, okay, well he just won
three straight like Jordan, so he can't say he never
won three straight.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
He won three straight.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
He was very young and he had a whole career
ahead of him, and you start to go, well, shoot,
could he be better than Jordan? And that's when to me,
is this kid already better?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Come?
Speaker 5 (21:43):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Because he has five?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
He is?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
And that's when I started to see it wasn't a
Lebron thing for me. He was a Kobe thing because
he was the first time you looked and you actually
legitimately said, oh, shoot, could he be? And that's when
we started to do the ring thing. And now Lebron
comes into that, and when you be thing like like
the end all be all it was, but it never.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Was the end all be all because if that was
the case, and this is my point about the about
the ring thing, the reason that it came into effect
or the conversation is because this guy shows up, says
he's the chosen one, he's the king, he's going after
Michael Jordan, he's whatever. So people when you start to
look at their all right criteria, what he's doing in
(22:25):
his career and resume yes, then you like you just
talked about nitpicking, right, If you're gonna look at guy's
numbers and see what he's done and all this other stuff,
then you start to look, okay, MVP, you start to
count stuff. So then that that's where a ring of course,
but that's not the end all be all. That Michael
(22:46):
Jordan is not crowned just off of six and zero.
And I'll give you the reason why. Because if Tim Duncan,
if Kawhi Leonard doesn't miss the extra, the free throw whatever,
and he and Tim Duncan goes six and oh, nobody
says he's the he's the goat.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Would you agree with that? Nobody?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So it's not just say and Tim Duncan would have
been six and oh, just like Michael Jordan and and
nobody ever even addressed or thought that Tim Duncan was
the go Would you agree with that? So it tells
you that it's not just the rings because he was
five and one and that close to being six and oh,
but that's never in that.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I agree with the completely with that. But the issue
is he was never in the conversation. So he was
never going to be in the conversation.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
But that that's but I'm saying because it wasn't just
a ring conversation.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
If it was, how could he not be in it?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
But if it was ring, well, all right, we got
we gotta get to j R. Gamble on the other side,
as it was trending. Uh, Steve, looking at me right now?
Like hey, many.
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Gamble in it is time for foul or fair.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
That ball is It was.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
A big week in the big leagues.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Who's who's a believe?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Is it foul or is it fair?
Speaker 8 (24:34):
And now from mlbdbro dot com, here's JR.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Gamble.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
That's right, it is Fowler fair here on the Okaple
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other than JR.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Gamble.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
What's up, fellas?
Speaker 5 (24:52):
What up?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Bruh? What's happening?
Speaker 7 (24:54):
I'm good, I'm good man loving the odd couple you know,
locked in every day to hit, just destroy Robin's it's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I'm gonna tell you need to change the station because
you got it. We'll never tell him to change the station. Ride.
I'll tell him just say we disagree to the radio.
Just be careful. Still you a right?
Speaker 5 (25:12):
I got I got three baseball questions and Jr is
the start of the segment. He gets the first crack
at every single one. So let's get to it. Baseball
seven hundred and sixty five million dollars. Man wants Soto
got off to that slow start, but he was National
League Player of the Month in June and he entered
Sunday rank sixth in the n Allen War among position players,
second in on base percentage eighth and o PS third,
(25:32):
and run scores.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
He's been on a heater JR.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
With that in mind, Fouler fair to say Soto got
snubbed from the All Star Game.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
It's the Rob Parker jinks fair ball. Soto's carrying a
huge burden in that mess lineup, and yeah, Rob didn't
say he would struggle, but despite the slow start, the
numbers were killing them. For are numbers that we give
guys like Jack Chisholm and Byron Buxton a lot of
(26:03):
credit for. So some people were up in arms about
BET's not even getting the All Star call. He's batting
under two fifties and that's the end of an eight
year street. So you know, when Soto got all that money,
to me, it was inevitable that the standard would kind
of raise. I guess people weren't really expecting. People weren't
expecting Aaron Judge type numbers, But that Mets line is good,
(26:25):
but it's not scary. You know, he's probably got it
rougher than ever hitting without a man in matato or
a tactics or a judge.
Speaker 10 (26:33):
Or a stanton.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
But he is top twenty most categories and does winning matter.
He's on a Mets team that has fifty two wins
in one game out of first. He's doing his damn job.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
I say it's foul. That is a foul ball. What'd
you say? Fair? Yeah, fallI fitter said he got star rob.
It's fair that he got snubbed.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Fair that I mean fair because he just diad H'm
play well for almost two months. Come on, you know
you can should be foul foul And that's what I
said originally, Right, Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Is a foul ball.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I'm mixed up. But he didn't play well for two months.
It's no shocker that the fans didn't vote for him.
When you're the guy and you don't perform, just like
we just saw Mookie bets and not make the also team
for first time. He got off to a bad start
and people look at that stuff. Otherwise, If we're just
putting the same guys every year, what would be the
point on voting that's.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Not what we do.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah, I think it's fair and pretty much the opposite points.
I mean, the same point you're saying, rob, but just
opposite way of looking at it. I think it's because
people were looking at him and saying, oh, man, he's
a seven hundred something million dollar man, I expect this.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
I expect that.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Well, ultimately you ended up getting those numbers you expected,
and he's producing at those high rates. Just started off slow.
So why am I being snubbed for that? For starting
off a little snow slow when.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
I'm balling now?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
So I think it's absolutely fair that he was snubbed
and he I mean, his numbers ranked way too high
for him not to be to be sitting at home
on the couch, all right.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Rom Fowler Fair j R. Gamble with the couple guys.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Despite being saddled with the second youngest group haitors in
baseball and the sixth youngest pitching staff. Last week, the
National decided to fire World Series champion manager and the
winningest manager of franchise history, of course, Dave Martinez.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Easy question for EJ.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Are foul or fair to say that Martinez got a
raw deal?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I'm a woman.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Up, a woman but.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Not that raw.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
Because Martinez had his moment. Maybe he could have given
him the season, but he had his moment. I'm sure
there's another job for him out there. The natus at
rebuild it right. They have a young core Mike Rizzo.
He's a keen GM, he's no dummy. It's probably time
for another voice. You gotta figure. There's probably some rumblings
(29:00):
that martinez coaches style little outdated or maybe went stale
on this young group of guys. Eight seasons. He's been
there felas twenty nineteen, he won the World Series, but
hasn't had a winning season seen, so they probably stuck
with him too long.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
If you ask me, foul that is a foul ball.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
That's a long time in baseball, Seriously, not to have
a winning record, and they you know, he won a
championship and you get years for that, and they did that.
And I know Dave really well, he's done everything. That's
a long time in any place. And I think it
was good now. If they would have fired him three
or four years ago, I thought it would have been
(29:42):
unfair to give him such a short period of time
when they're rebuilding. They had a really bad stretch this year.
And you know that's what happens in baseball.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Man, That is absolutely foul.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
That is a falliba, because absolutely you're gonna get canned
if you start losing that much. They expect it then
because you can't win and then lose, lose, lose, lose.
You gotta win and at least be good to keep
up with the fact that, all right, we're a good,
solid team. When you win, all of a sudden, there
are expectations, and he didn't meet the expectations. He got
a longer lease than most guys do managing or coaching.
(30:12):
You named the sport. So to me, he had a
good run. Good on the resume. I had a nice
little six seven year You know a coach that's a
good run with one club and you got a World
Series ring, you'll get a you'll go get a job
of this offseason.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
He's fine, all right. Last one Fowler Fair Jr. Gamble
with the odd couple guys. Last night, Maddy Machado got
his two thousand threer hit. In the process, he became
one of only twelve players all time with two thousand
plus hits at three hundred fifty plus homers three eight
to thirty two. The other eleven in that club are
either already in the Hall of Fame or are virtual
locks to get in at some point when they retire.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
So Jr. Here's the question.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Is Maddy Machado Fowler fair to say Manuchada's already a
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
It's a ball and that's one of the easiers in baseball.
I don't think anybody's dispute that. To me, he's the
most consistent hitter in baseball over the past decade. Just
look at the numbers. He's one of the greatest field
in third basemen in history, especially during his early years
in Baltimore and comparing his bluff to Brooks Robinson he
also played short force fell I dare say he's one
(31:19):
of the most underrated players of the last twenty five years.
Looking man Mchallas baseball card thirty bigions, one hundred eyes
like clockwork, like he played in the nineties or something.
So he's gonna have the Hall of Fame numbers to
end his career. Not sure where the bad wreck comes in,
because I know players love him and he's known as
one of the greatest leaders in the game. His only
mistakes going to San Diego taking that money.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Foul.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
That is a foul ball.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Not a Hall of Famer already.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
No, oh god stop, you know he's.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Got two thousand yards.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
No, he's not Lord if he did nothing else, it's
not automatic. There's a guys who have hit over three
or your fifty home runs and want in the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
It ain't automatic. I'm just period. I'm just saying I
remember it a period. It's not He's not already in
the Hall of Fame. You gotta finish out the job.
That's all I'm saying. His numbers are going to be there.
He's going to be there because of what he's done.
But I'm not saying if he didn't do anything else
automatically he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
I'm not convinced to that.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
This one was a tough one, to be honest with you,
because both you have some great points and the same thing.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
I was leading. But I'm a go fair.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
But what I thought about this, what I said was
why Rob might be kind of right if we stopped today.
It's because he's kind of unlikable, and I think that
does play a role sometimes in sports. Sometimes we don't
like to think about it needs to just be numbers
in your accolades.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
But we do know sometimes that players role.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
I mean, you can look at taroll Owens not getting
in first ballot when he's arguably the third fourth best receiver.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Ever.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
That happens from time to time, and I think that
is little little small things that kind of hover around
his name, the non hustling, the little weird antics that
he has. I could see why, if it stopped today,
people could use that against him.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
But at the end of the day, I'm a slide
barely lean over the fair. I'll give you that's fair.
Can I just say this real quick?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Andre Dawson was a great player, right, and guess what I'm.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Just I'm just giving you.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
But I'm just giving you Andre Dawson. How many how
many homew was it? Andre Dawson hit you know, four
hundred and thirty eight and it took him nine years
to get into the Hall of Fame. It took him
nine years, so he wasn't automatic and many has three fifty.
That's all I'm saying. I believe he will be an MVP.
I mean, he'll be in.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
The Hall of Fame. That's why. That's what I'm saying
for me, I get your point, but it stop. Two days.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Andre Dawson, eight time All Star, was Rookie of the Year,
won an MVP, eight cold Gloves, four times Silver Slacks,
and it took him nine years to get it.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
It's a fair point.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
That's why I said it feels right.
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