June 25, 2025 • 37 mins
FOX Sports Radio Weekend host Martin Weiss is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin share their thoughts on LeBron James calling for the NBA to institute a criteria for the NBA MVP award, tell us how the Boston Celtics fire sale will impact the Eastern Conference moving forward, and tell us which NBA players are the best next-level comps for Cooper Flagg.
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on review as well. Martin Man there's been a lot
of some movement in the NBA. Again, nothing is official.
We know can be official for another uh, like ten eleven,
twelve days.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Yeah, it's like the yellow line. Yeah, not official. It's
not official. Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
And we have the the draft coming up tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
But there have been some moves.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
If for whatever reasons, you were locked into work, couldn't
do it, you had a recital for your kids and something.
Christoph Porzingis is now in Atlanta Hawk. We have CJ
McCullum on the move for also I missing It's been
so many CJ.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
McCollum went from the Pelicans to the Wizards in exchange
for Jordan Poole the Headliners Jordan Poole.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Huh, why did they want Jordan Poole? What did I
miss something?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Don't don't don't get me started here. We'll get started
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
We'll have more on this on the trade stuff a
little bit later on the show Pool just waste of talent.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
No, Jordan Poole was a reckless at times contributor to
a team that was the championship contender, then got punched
in the face at work and instead of getting any
recourse of it, instead of having anybody say that was wrong,
I'm sorry that happened to you, or any punishment to
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the man who punched him. It was his fault that
he deemed to be his fault that he got punched,
and then it was called everything but a child of
God because he didn't go fight the guy back.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And I understand that, like, yeah, you know, all right, man,
if somebody put me in the face, I hear the back. Yeah,
that's all well and good.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Go to work on Monday and you see, you see
your biggest enemy, Go punch him in the face, and
see who gets fired.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
See you who gets fired? See what happens? And then
nothing happened.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
That's why I tell everybody says, oh, Jordan Poole, what
happened to him? You go to work and get knocked
the f out and then go back the next day.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Everybody tell you your bad for not ducking Well, hold on, now,
I'm with you, except for what did he say?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I don't care. I'm just saying you know what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
He's saying, I get talk to me, do couple we
this is this is your coworker.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Brau jumped in the air with the punch Martin. That
was the cartoon Rogie. It wasn't a normal he jumped
to jump punch somebody when you already four inches taller
than him. You know how mad you gotta be to
jump punch someone shorter than you.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
I don't know how mad he had to be, because
I've seen the person in question do a whole lot
worse with a whole lot less, and like it, just maybe,
just maybe, d Jordan Poole was a sacrifice at the
altar of the Draymond Green Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
And that's why the thirty for thirty is gonna be
lit when whenever that happened.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I just like Jordan Pool.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I watched his entire career in Michigan. He hit big
shots after big shots, and I get he was. He's
a goofy kid, and I get all of that.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Like, but again, like the idea that we just look
at Jordan Poole as a waste of space in the
NBA landscape, and I get that he did not necessarily
cover himself in glory in Washington, But I don't know, Man,
After I damn near got my jaw broke, I would
have a different attitude as well.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
All right.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I'm glad he has a public defender because this man
the only I watched the low lights in Washington. I'm like, man,
that is some terrible basketball. And it ain't just him.
Kuzman was looking terrible out there. Everybody was looking terrible
out there in Washington. I don't know what they're doing,
can make any sense of that. So again, some trade,
some movement. We'll have more conversation on that a little
bit late to New.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Orleans, Jordan, but I'll tell you what you want to
talk about.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
The real c J.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
McCollum was stealing money from the Pelicans the last few years.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
And it's him and Grant Williams just fault that we
had this whold Grant Williams in the first Grant Williams
hard cap, second Aprin in the first dog all place.
So that's really all your fault. C J.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
McCollum, get out of town.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
He did become the new Rudy Gay, where everybody was like, man,
if they just had Rudy Gay, remember that era. You
know who else is in that you mentioned him earlier
off air. Tobias Harris, another guy that man, if they
just had like a Tobias Harris guy man, if they
had like a Rudy gay man, if they had a CJ.
McCollum type guy, those type of guys you feel like
will change the course, and it ended up ends up
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not being the case. Well, somebody who clearly changed the
case for a lot of team three of them. In fact,
he wouldn't won a championship for that. Lebron and he
had a lot to say about He has MVP four
MVPs and had the conversation with Steve national mini podcast
about what is the help me out, what's the criteria?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
What are we doing? What isn't MVP. Here's what Bron
had to say.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
It's changes. It's like, okay, so is it the is
it the best player? You know? Is it the is
it the player that had the best season with his team,
you know, maybe that's offensive player of the year, you know,
or is it the just simply the best player in
the league, like statistically was the best player of the
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year league, you know, no matter, you know, obviously you're
not gonna have a guy in there that's like, doesn't
the team didn't come close to making the playoffs? Well obviously,
because if that's the case, then he's not the best player,
you know, but it's not the most valuable then. But
if it's I don't know, it's just it's just changes,
it changes too much.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I completely agree, and it is something that as somebody
who has worked in the.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
National media since twenty fifteen.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I feel like I sometimes get gas lit by what
the conversation is on a yearly basis over how we
define who the most valuable player in the NBA is.
Because when I broke into the national media, I was
told that averaging a triple double for.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
The five seed was what made you the MVP and
the reason why.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
They said, well, Kevin Durant left and that was the
most narrative based MVP and like in modern MVP history.
And then I felt like we went further down, like
that was like the apex of narrative MVP. And then
as a result we swung back and was like, now
we gotta get stats MVP, and we reached the apex
of stats MVP. When Jokic is ating a million different
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advanced stats and he's like, well, if you look at
his pr and his raptor and his war and his
you know, wins, all of this other stuff is you know,
ops he's killing it, right, I'm like, all right, right exactly,
Like when you look at all of that, he's the
best player to lead, Like, well, I look at his
team or the four seed. You know what I'm saying,
What are we doing here? I cannot like and look, Lebron,
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I'm with you when you're right. I'm with you when
you're right. The offensive player of the of the year
in the NBA is it needs to be instituted so badly.
I ask you this. Let's say the postseason from game one,
Round one. I know that feels like eight years ago now,
but around one game one to Game seven of the
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of the NBA Finals, say that was its own season.
Who would you say was the MVP of that season
the MVP of this postseason? You can pick two or three.
I still think it's that SGA. You still think it's
that It was a boring We talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
But dude was putting up thirty on the level that
only Michael Jordan's done. So, I mean, he was balling
out of control. H If you asked me who was
the most exciting and just what a wild ride? Tyre's Helliburton.
But at the end of the day he had way
too many games of oh that he had fourteen.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
But the amount of game winning shots that he hit
in that playoffs with the idea that he's the guy
who is the straw that stirs the drink, which I
kind of, you know, hand up, my bad, I thought
a little overblown. Then I watched without him, I was like, oh, okay,
no cutting, this is legit, this is real. And because
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it's really hard to quantify the absence of turning of
like the absence of something missing Tyreek Heliburton not turning
the ball over.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Something it's hard to see, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Once then you see all those pick sixers, like, oh,
that's what they were talking about. This is what the
this is what the whole thing is. To me, Sga
would have been the offensive player of the year on
this team, which to me, didn't shoot well from the floor.
Their key was the defense. Their key was all of
that right, and Shague was not nearly the best defender
on the floor. It competes on the defensive end, but
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he is benefiting off of the wing defenders that they
have out there, the rim protections that they have getting
out there making stuff happen on the offensive end. I
would have had him be the Offensive Player of the
Year in this stretch in the regular season, MVP to
me would have been Jokic. Now, the thing is.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
They would give Jokics four MVPs. Well, some of these
other ones should have been Offensive Player of the Year awards.
That's my point. I get what you're saying, so but
to me, the.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Most valuable player he's not necessarily the guy who's always
scoring the most points on the best team. And I
think we end up it just like you said, narrative
changes all the time. Offensive player would be who's the
best score right now? And I think that's just a
much cleaner way to define it. And I think we
mix up who's the best score and who's the MVP.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
To me, it's two far for me one. I think
the issue is when we universally know the best player
is filling the blank, that person needs a flat out
be the MVP. And what I mean by that is,
there was an eight to nine ten year period with
Lebron James. You can maybe even go more. I might
be selling them short. Was the best player in the
NBA period. Everybody know you woke up Lebron James best
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player from probably nineteen eighty seven, eighty eight to nineteen
ninety eight, except for a couple of years Michael Jordan's
the best player in the NBA. So the idea that
we then turn around and play and say, ooh, will
Karl Malone, well, Charles Barkley, well, ooh remember that year, Ooh,
Derrick Rose, it's cute what the bulls are doing? Yeah,
he's and he got demolished in the playoffs, and you
saw he looked much. He looked less than going up
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against a motivated Lebron who was like, let me show
y'all how he's not that guy in comparison to me.
The point is we do that too often, in my opinion,
where we all know who the best player is, we
ought whatever you want to call it, best player VP,
that person is it, and historically we have not given
it to him. And I think a part of that
is leads to why I think we'll never have a criteria,
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because I think people enjoy the idea subconsciously, subliminally in
the back of their mind Martin, that they can go, well,
let's just give it to somebody else, because otherwise they know,
for a ten year perio, you probablyoud gave it to
Michael Jordan for an eight to ten year pier.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
You would have gave it to Uh, to Lebron.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
There's a period where maybe for five years you just
gave it to Peyton Manning, like dude, He's just ain't
nobody like Peyton Manning, you might have just gave it
to him. So therefore, I think people subconsciously don't even
know that they do want this because it leads for
the fodder. It leads for the conversation. It leads for
the sports debates and the barbershops and on radio and
on TV.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
No is it Yokis?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Is it Shay?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
No? Is it Lebron?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
No?
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Is it Kobe? Is it?
Speaker 7 (11:47):
No?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Is it uh?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
This person or this person?
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Is it Peyton?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Or is it you know, Ladaneley and Thomason? And I
think it leads to that because of the vagueness of it,
I think we ultimately won it. We just don't know
that we want it. Otherwise I think people will be bored.
Handed it to Michael Jordan for a decade, handed it
to Lebron, handed the Peyton Manning, handed whatever the sport is,
handing this to that guy for five to sixty year period,
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and I think subconsciously we like that. We like the debate,
the fighter. Ah, No, I mean I like, is it
about the best player on the best team. No, this
guy James hard is doing stuff we've never seen, thirty
five games and leading the league in assists and points.
And I think we enjoy that more than we actually
know that we do, because I don't think our human
nature wants to just give it to And this is
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why I sat here for what two months, give or take,
yelling at Rob Lamar Jackson is not gonna win the MVP.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Look at his numbers, I said, I know you're right.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Rob g is my witness and short the listeners, I said,
people are tired of giving it to him. Yes, the
numbers are great, Yes they're better than last season. Guess
what they're gonna say, it's Chush Allen's time. Well, he's
the first note when they are the All Pro comes
out only one time in hard Ford years, it all
pro get it wrong. I said, well this could be
in a union. They can have it again and Josh
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Allen wins it. My point was human nature gets fatigued
of things you can't it's you have to be.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
So self aware to not do that.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
And you know it is argument always like to be well,
Barry Bonds won it all those times, and ros say
yes because they have two leagues. If they had one,
I guarantee you Barry Bonds would not have won it
over and over.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's easy, all right, Well he's the best off area.
Somebody mix it up.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
On the other side, if there was just one MLB MVP,
Barry Bonds would not have won it. I think it was,
what five times in a row, whatever it was, because
they would have gotten bored with somebody else. We'll all
he's doing is hitting home runs, or they would have
found some human nature reason to do that. So I
think we don't want it to be that simplistic. So
therefore we have different options. We have different people because
sometimes in sports there's somebody who's just that good for
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that period where we'd have to just keep handing it
to him or her every year.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Well, speaking of handing it out, oh Dallas Mavericks. Nine
time All Star Kyrie Irving declined his forty three million
dollar player option and is signing a three year, one
hundred and nineteen million dollar contract with the Dallas Mavericks
with a player option. At twenty twenty seven, Kyrie Irving,
congratulations on a torn ACL in your thirties with a
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player option to go ahead and get well. He had
forty three coming, So he's a quick math by me
bag eighty more over the next two years, and you
get to choose whether or not you want that forty
in year three.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Hey, I'm about to start wearing long furarrings in my
ear whatever he wears.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Salute to his agent, his mother. Yeah, shout to mom.
Keep that three percent.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Ah, Hey, this one right here, I think eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox Robbersie. I want to hear
people say, because Martin and I try to figure out
what is the criteria to ain MVP when you're watching
Is it stats as Martin mentioned with Joki. Is it
just I'm the best player on the best team with
the most wins like an SGA. What's your criteria for
MVP when you were breaking it down, it's the Odd
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having a conversation about the bron brought up a point
I think a lot of people have when we get
especially we even have it in even though he's talking
NBA happens even in MLB.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Happens in football? What is an MVP? What's the criteria?
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Best offensive player? Best player on the best team?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Can you be the MVP if your team is a
succeed and whatever the sport is, right, there's a conversation.
We'll take a quick call, real quick, Andre in Massachusetts.
You are on the Odd Cup on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Andre.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
What's up, brother, how are you doing?
Speaker 8 (16:24):
Thanks for taking a call. Listen for me. I do
think we need to expand the criterion when we're looking
at MVP. Generally we see it being the best player
on the best team or the top two teams in
the league, and that person gets preferential treatment. That's, of course,
why Steve Nash, you know, even though I see what
he's doing with the Mind the Game podcast, but he's
stolen the MVP from Kobe Bryant. Okay, because in nobody,
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this is what my grandfather used to say, in this style,
nobody in the cotton taking mind would have believed that
Steve Nash was better than Kobe Bryant pound for pound,
but they gave him it because of the seven seconds
of lesson the Sun with Sons were good. So that's
for me. We got to if you're on a topick,
if you're not in the plane, okay, and you are
clearly the best player in the league, then you got
to get the MVP. And just because another player is
on a better team of the best team, that's organized.
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That that's institutional strength. You can't control that, right. These
are players that are playing on teams that put together
rosters where they can be to one or two.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
If you're the top.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
Player, but you can only do what you can do,
you should be in the MVP conversation. I agree with
Lebron James in his overall point. He lost a couple
of MVPs. Also lost the defensive player of the year, right,
so Marcus Sault, that would have been nice on his
all time regiment that one I was.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I agree with that one. That was a comedy. Marcosol
was a really good defender. But Lebron was going crazy
that because any time, thank you for the call, Andre
mart anytime Lebron applies himself, which is partly why a
lot of people don't give him the go.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
You know, there's games where they feel like he should
have did more.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Game six, Boston, I needed that every night game, whatever
that was, when you score twenty five straight or fists,
I want that every night. You know, forty one forty
one in triple double in the five and so people
almost felt he didn't apply himself enough when he was
going crazy trying to win that defensive Player to year.
It was like, all right, this is getting he's blocking everything,
charges locking I told you locking up. I mean it
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was a couple he was private locking up Derek Rose
and just you saw like, oh, if he ever just
was like, for the next three four years, I want
to defensive player year, he was probably gonna win one
or two because it's just for him to put that
energy and effort in with his athleticism.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It was it's ridiculous. And see that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I don't mean to just spin this back to Cooper Flag,
but this is why I think that playing catches on
the day. Why I don't think that playing hard is
like it's definitely something you want over somebody who does
not play hard.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
But you could play as hard as you want.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Like every like you could the guys who Lebron Lebron
decided I don't want to play defensive.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Stop you from doing whatever you want to do.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Whoever was on offense could do play as hard as
they wanted to and it did not matter because he
had to lead that athleticism and he's at that point
in time, he was cutting off guys as water. It's
one of the only real athlete podcast that I consume
on any regular basis post playing athlete podcast is Jeff
t because Jeff Zig seems to be the only one
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that downplays himself in these moments. Right, you know what
I'm saying, Jeff Tige is like, nah, I knew he
was giving me work. I knew it.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
And it's not like he's said, like, bro, I tried
to guard Kyrie.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
He was giving me forty because he was giving everybody
forty and it was my turn.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
To catch forty. His story is about Steph Curry. Hilarious.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Right, And Jeff t played in the league for what
twelve years, was a hot pitched All Star thinking what
he wants to walk to the All Star Champion, Like
I know he got a champion, like signed his name
on the group paper project at the end.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
But you know, like that's what I see, like when
you tell me, oh yeah, Like remember when.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Russell Westbrook rest in piece and nips yes, when Russell
Westbrook went out at the twenty twenty twenty game. That
was kind of the genesis of this thought was like
he could do this every night. But it's like part
of it is the longevity of and I don't disparage
Lebron or Russell Westbrook, anybody for having a day off
in February because you want to get to game seven
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up the finals and be able to finish strong.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
I bet you're Tyree Talliburton, which is.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
He had taken a New Year's Eve game off because
it wouldn't have mattered in the seating and the standings,
and that game he was won away.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
From a championship. You know what I'm saying, So too soon.
I don't I don't have a bee.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
I don't have any problem with like the now it
gets to be aggressive when she guys sitting out a ton,
she gots just for rest consistently. All right, now, Now
I got an issue. But that's playing hard.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Is But you just said so far. This is why
we're gonna keep mostly disagreed on this, Lebron. We just said,
decided to bunk it down and lock in, and I'm
about to play hard with elite.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Well here's the elite of leader, leader, lead athleticism.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Well, my point is, if Cooper Flagg chooses and continues
to play hard as we see him do in high school,
saw him doing summers, saw him do a duke, want
to be better and like truly cares about winning. I'm
saying he has a leader. Let's leticism and the other
stuffer is coming. Because I know how much he cares
and works. I know he's gonna get even better jump.
So mid range is pretty nice. That's why we shocked
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he missed one that could have put them to the
next level. His mid range is nice. It's only gonna
be better. Most kids come into the NBA can't shoot
the three. It's farther. It's just different. Different approach is
you get to shoot it more so you're kind of like, oh,
I'm obe I can shoot it. It takes a while
to get the jump shot. I mean, Tyers said Halliburn.
We were all he couldn't really shoot it. Then then
he capable.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Part of one of the things about uh you know
why Sacramento.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, like, man, he can't hit the three in this
day and age, and obviously now to the two of
eight and three out of four in the first quarter
Game seven in the NBA Finals prior to the Achilles.
So that's why I'm saying, if he's doing all this now,
he's only going to get better. And he is elite
in comparison to seventy percent of the NBA. As far
as athleticism, I'm like, dude, I just think their floor
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is really really high for him as well.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, Rogie, just.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
Real quick, you don't think that he does anything elite, right,
so you said Martin, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I mean I think he's very very good.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I don't think that the work ethic will keep him
in the league for a very long time.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
So there have been depending on who you talk to,
the comparisons of current players for him is Kawhi Leonard,
Jason Tatum type. I've heard another scouts say that for
today's NBA he could be Kevin Garnett. Do you think
any of those guys had any elite traits when they
came out of to the draft.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
I think Kevin Garnett was an elee athlete at that
point in time. I think it's like terms of defensive
shot blocking, rebound.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
I mean, Cooper Flag is a really great defender in college, right.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
But I think if you it kind of it's like
when people said Wenby was like Kevin Durant, and it's like,
I know that they're tall and they both shoot threes,
but when you just watch him, it doesn't look quite
the same.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
There's a and that goes to my point at what
I like about Cooper Flag is ferocity. Like he played
he can. He's trying to destroy your shot on that
that's true. He didn't get a block. He's going crazy
and he cares and he's fired up because he could
easy be like, oh, I've been that guy. Scinuce I
was fourteen.
Speaker 9 (22:55):
Now he's like three inches shorter than kg. But in
today's NBA he's basically a.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Powerful I'm not mad at that. And if you put
him in a blender. I do like the Polo too,
just kind of the big I play big, but I'm.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Cart I go to me. That's where I go. Paolo
Tatum like those types of guys. The idea that I
don't think Kevin Darnett was an elite at like jumping
out of the gym, he was a freak.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
For that error, like that was normal to see what
he was doing.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
Now, Tatum's a four time first Team All NBA THO.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
And Tatum is also but Tatum's in the structure. That's
why I think it's good that he's going to that.
Cooper Flag is going to Dallas because you look at
the state of the Tatum. The structure that Tatum goes into,
then that's part of the reason why he's able to
have this success and go to all these conference finals
back to back. If Jason Tatum was a Charlotte Hornet,
he wouldn't have four First Team All NBA.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
And that's why. On the other side, I want to
tell you a theory of mind. Steven Second is gonna
give us what's trending right now.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm Eastern,
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Speaker 3 (24:02):
Steve, Thank you so much, have a great night.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
It is The Odd Couple, Kelvin Washington, Martin White, who
is and for Rob and we of course are the
odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
We got last call coming up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
You said something a moment ago, Martin, we were talking
about Cooper Flag.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
What go ahead, We'll just remind me what you were saying, because.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
The big thing is and and honestly stems to a
conversation that Rob Gene We're having off as we were
getting ready for this, and that's why he just popped
on there was.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Like, but what about Jason Tatum. Most of the time,
these high drafted.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Guys who were expected to change features of franchises don't
have the opportunity to because the infrastructure around them is terrible.
While I do not think that Cooper Flag is the
home run slam dunk that everybody is talking about, I
think that his work ethic and the fact that he
is good at everything, not great at necessarily anything, yet
(24:57):
translates perfectly at a place like that. Who has no
business with the number one overall pick. Right, that's a
team that tried like hell to make the play in
even after trading Luka Doncics.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
There's a team that has a structure around him.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
So, like Jason Tatum, they got Bofton ended up having
the nets first round pick, and that's why they were
up there. They weren't up there due to record, And
like the trade terror team Right got Tatum and put
Tatum in a position where he could be the best
player he could be in the infrastructure that existed already,
and that's how he ends up dunking on Lebron In
(25:33):
twenty fifteen. I remember watching it a TGI Fridays, like
it was yesterday and that whole run of Eastern Conference
Finals appearances since then, the structure and then the greatness
on top of it. If Tatum was a hornet or
a trailblazer, I'm not saying the same.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
This is why it has led me to something I
get into so many debates about, and this was my
theory brought I said I wanted to touch on. This
is why I don't have a problem with a lebron
when he makes a decision, with anybody who chooses to leave.
If I'm that not a regular guy, first ball, could
be anybody, but especially if I'm great, and you all
(26:10):
are gonna judge me on it, this is where the
ring conversation comes, ring culture conversation. You're only gonna judge
me on rings, right, Well, you were really good, but
you didn't win it, n F Ring. Then I can't
stay with a franchise that has been unstable, a city
that hasn't won a championship in fifty some years in
anty sport, and then I'm gonna stay here for fifteen
(26:30):
twenty years and who has proven to never be a winner.
It's just so at the end of my career, even
if I have really good accolades and I have a
few MVPs and you'll go, you ain't even win one ring,
even on the same caliber player that I ended up
ultimately with being as I go get rings, you would say,
you ain't that good. You didn't win rings. And to me,
that is why I have no problem. When a guy
(26:51):
goes to the team, he gets drafted, there, gives it
his all for two three, four, five years, look up
another maybe times. Well, you know we don't. I feel like, man,
I'm a lawyer to the city. I just want to
get another two three four signs another dal okay, cool
after year six, seven eight? How can you be mad
at this person if they've never paired you with other people?
You mentioned it with the Celtics ever put you in
good situations, never surrounded you with the right guys, never
(27:12):
had the great coach, you never had the right culture,
and you're just sitting there wallowing away, wasting away just
for you and I the you know, we had the
Kelvin and Martin show for us to go. He sucks,
he's all right, he's good. And that's to me where
I'm like, what do y'all expect from these guys? When
they and Nick you say, And this is where me
and Rob get into it all the time, especially because
(27:35):
Rob is fake because he actedly he don't be on
social media. Rob posts more than me and you and
Rob G combined and Alex, but he acted like, oh,
I don't even know about social media, taking shots to
Rob G, fat shaming us, Rob G and workout shaming
you and then will turn around and be like, I
don't think these players pay attention Rob. They they're twenty five,
(27:56):
They've known nothing but social media. It's been their entire existence.
So of course they see these things. Of course they
see the clips. Of course they see the podcast now
and everybody talking about it. He ain't this, he ain't that.
And that's why in the ring culture conversation, I was saying, everybody's.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Like, Lebron knows that he wants rings. I said, no.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
What he was saying was the reason I left was
because I started to realize I got MVPs. I've been
to the finals. I lost in on seven, but I'm
doing this. Y'all know my team's number one seat. The
Big three in Boston just comes out of the blue,
and you know I can't get past them, and all.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
You guys are gonna do is say, he's.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Good, but he ain't got a rings. He ain't even
better than Kobe. Kobe got but he ain't. How can
he be Jordan? He ain't better than his brother and
he knew. She's like, I gotta go chase these rings.
And my point is that's why to me lead too,
I feel like nobody has these conversations enough. And another position, quarterbacks, Dudes,
you go to a busted team, a busted franchise, don't
want to spend money. Never put anybody switching coaches at three?
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Don't henders?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Do a hypothetical.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Scenario with Week five this season, when the Bengals are
two and three and Zach Taylor's on the hot seat,
They're gonna ask Joe Burrow, who would have just thrown
for three hundred and seventy five yards, three touchdowns, in
an interception and in a thirty one to seven or
a thirty one to twenty one lost to Baltimore. They
gonna be like, Joe, why why aren't you getting it done?
And there would be no conversation of the fact that well,
(29:14):
the leading the sack leader in the NFL, we couldn't
get him in camp, and then his replacement, who we
drafted in the first round. We couldn't get him in camp.
Mind you, he was a project because he only had
four and a half college sacks. That's just the quick math,
five times less than our sack leader had, right, I
was like that that Trey Hendrickson did have. So like
(29:35):
all of those things. Oh and also too, we just
paid two wide receivers top of the market money. After
pro rating this all. Maybe there's a reason why the
Bengals have gone off to a slow start every single
year of Joe Burrow's career that may have.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Nothing to do with him or everything to do with him.
There you go, and that happens so often. Man Rice
Young ends up in Green Bay sits a year or
two behind. Let's say it was Annon Rodgers or I
will be Jordan Love, whatever the case would be. Stable
organization or organization. That's one has been really good for
sixty seven eighty years. All of a sudden, brance Young,
we might man, I ain't pretty dag gone good. But
he goes to the Panthers, nothing going on. They're running
(30:12):
for his life, and now you're like, he ain't nothing.
He shouldn't even be in the NFL, and to me,
I think quarterbacks and star NBA players who are young
who get drafted. I go to these, you know, the abyss,
I'm always like, what are you?
Speaker 8 (30:22):
So?
Speaker 4 (30:23):
They got to stay there just to make y'all happy,
So you don't burn their jerseys.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
That's the thing, And it's the thing because I as
a primary sports fan more than anything else. I know
that the journalist thing. But I came into this business
as a fan and try to stay so I like sports. Yeah, no, witch,
nobody for me to be in Uh No one listening
to my voice right now. Working at a company that
(30:48):
has any competitor would stay where they work if every
things are pretty much the same for less money, nobody
would do it.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Rob g been trying to lead. Just somebody paying fifty
cent more for how long?
Speaker 5 (31:01):
No one would do that. And so you telling me
that I have an opportunity to leave one corporation to
go to another one that's gonna pay me x y
Z that much more.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Because all these teams are there, they got bosses.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Just like you do and been in the opposite and
so when that happens here, I am burning jerseys. I
can never quite understood how so it's always on the players,
not the owners.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I got one for you because the pre eminent athlete
podcaster just dropped a quote that we got to talk
about in just a minute.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
But I want to leave you to think about this. Huh.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Kevin Durant started a lot of this conversation and it's
Kevin Durant is a mount Rushmore celebrity tweeter. Who are
your other three? Ooh? That and the quote from the
preeminent podcaster what he had to say about this tomorrow
night's draft.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
We'll do that and man and last Call eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox, It's The Odd Couple Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
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Speaker 5 (32:07):
Hi. This is Jay.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
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Usually in these promos they asked you to listen to
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Studio, get him, Ignore that fool.
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Speaker 5 (32:33):
He's still moving.
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Speaker 4 (32:37):
Calvin Washington, Martin Weiss one more time for us before
we call it a day. Shout out to Martin filling
in for Rob for a couple of days. Rob out
their uh sniping people on on Twitter and Instagram.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
The real question, Robs, are you gonna're gonna snipe back?
What you're gonna do?
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
You're gonna say?
Speaker 5 (32:52):
What's your check on saying nothing?
Speaker 4 (32:54):
You're gonna say look at it? Don't act like that.
Bere editing up the podcast. Make sure you check out
the podcast, by the way, if you get a chance to,
and our YouTube page as well.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
You are before we go, you were saying, so i'mou
kd and and Twitter.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Well, because I I think Keavin Durant is on the
mount Rushmore of celebrity tweeters, and I've been asking this
is my question of the day.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I like to ask everybody who else is on your list?
Speaker 5 (33:19):
So if anybody here wants to participate in an next
couple of minutes, I'll give you a moment to thank you.
Tweet us Matt Martin Wise at KB Live let us
know who you think. In the meantime, the preeminent athlete podcaster,
that's Paul George. He released a new episode of Podcast
P and he said, quote and the thing I think
if I'm Mace Bailey, I can't get mad with my
stock drops. But he's canceled all workouts. He hasn't worked
(33:42):
out for any team, so they made a big deal.
They were scheduled to canceled the day up. The more
of it is make it to the league first. It's
for sure that people around him, I don't know who's
representing him, but they're going about it the wrong way.
But make it to the league first is kind of
Paul George's advice.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Until listen to it seems to a guy who may
be his new as teammate.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Yeah, well that's what And then funny for the Sixers
to be clear, I don't think there's gonna be like
Podcast PA with Podcast P plus A.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
No.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah, he was just he was just he'll be there.
And the thing interesting about this will makes Katie so great.
Katie will jump in anybody's tweet, Yes, music, football.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Shoes.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
He just jumps in anything. And I'm all, I'm shocked.
Given a few minutes, I wouldn't be shocked to be
jumped into this one. No, Paul, you got it wrong.
Sometime we got empowered player empowerment, you know, let him
know you're not going like Kevin Durant knows no end.
I mean, and that's what makes him either frustrating on
one and if you're maybe if you're his brand manager,
if you're his teammate, I mean, you don't got to
jump in every beef or the opposite is that you're like.
(34:47):
We love it that he's authentically himself and he engages.
He said, he said, I love doing this because I
love talking to fans. He really does that.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
And I think also too, we're the same age, Kevin Durant.
We all are chronically online. There's some people who don't
post anything, there's some people who post everything. He is
just one of those who happens to post everything. Who
was also gotten more millions of dollars than I'll ever imagine. Hey,
and he, to his credit, will jump into something. We'll
(35:18):
get into something He's not like a some people jump
in jump out like a Lebron's gonna jump in say
this thing y'all thought, y'all said this about me, and
they's gonna jump out. No, KD was standing there go by,
I mean him and Ryan Clark just went out there
a couple of few weeks back about so I can't
remember what it was, but they they go he is
KD is in it for the love of the game.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Yeah, he like enjoys the battles. And I'm always kind
of blown away from like, man, you really because you
want to go? You want to We all want to
start to be his schedule, Like don't you have time?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
How you have time?
Speaker 5 (35:45):
You got to do?
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Like, dude, No, everybody has time.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
He's on his way to that meeting.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
It's gonna be a forty five minute driving through New
York in a black truck and he's in the back,
so he's got time to do that.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
We have a few other who else would you like
to know?
Speaker 5 (35:57):
My the polling from the class who she got and
I also landed on both of these two, but I
wasn't sure how much they qualify, which maybe the mount
Rushmore might just be one, and Kevin Durant's came to.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
The first one. The current president of the United State
is Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
However, while he was on a heater on Twitter, he quit,
did he is truth? Social?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
He boss quit you look at it.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Whatever it is, he left the platform. And if you
quit the game, then I don't know how you can
be the champ.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
So who you got well is one person as far
as knowing how to throw something starts and firing, you know,
it's just like watch me let this burn Jamail. But
that's kind of what she also does on the cheeko
she is in the media. I don't know how that's
what I'm saying. I think she's kind of that's not exactly.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
I don't think that fits because without social media, and
I get it was like she's obviously a successful journalists,
not downplaying that, but like, would she still be as
famous as she is if she wasn't on social Kevin
is a basketball player and that's what I know him.
So here's the other one. Who, Hey, Twitter world, do
(37:05):
you know what I'm talking about? Magic? No? Okay, rest
in peace. O. J. Simpson was one of the best sweeters. Hey,
Twitter world. Everybody knows.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Rest in peace, Oja.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I guess the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon is
coming up next.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I never miss your radio show.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
I never hear it, so I never miss it.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
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(01:06):
do pretty well on there to Couple Robin I, so
make sure you uh support it. Give us five stars
on review as well. Martin Man there's been a lot
of some movement in the NBA. Again, nothing is official.
We know can be official for another uh, like ten eleven,
twelve days.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Yeah, it's like the yellow line. Yeah, not official. It's
not official. Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
And we have the the draft coming up tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
But there have been some moves.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
If for whatever reasons, you were locked into work, couldn't
do it, you had a recital for your kids and something.
Christoph Porzingis is now in Atlanta Hawk. We have CJ
McCullum on the move for also I missing It's been
so many CJ.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
McCollum went from the Pelicans to the Wizards in exchange
for Jordan Poole the Headliners Jordan Poole.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Huh, why did they want Jordan Poole? What did I
miss something?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Don't don't don't get me started here. We'll get started
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
We'll have more on this on the trade stuff a
little bit later on the show Pool just waste of talent.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
No, Jordan Poole was a reckless at times contributor to
a team that was the championship contender, then got punched
in the face at work and instead of getting any
recourse of it, instead of having anybody say that was wrong,
I'm sorry that happened to you, or any punishment to
(02:24):
the man who punched him. It was his fault that
he deemed to be his fault that he got punched,
and then it was called everything but a child of
God because he didn't go fight the guy back.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And I understand that, like, yeah, you know, all right, man,
if somebody put me in the face, I hear the back. Yeah,
that's all well and good.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Go to work on Monday and you see, you see
your biggest enemy, Go punch him in the face, and
see who gets fired.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
See you who gets fired? See what happens? And then
nothing happened.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
That's why I tell everybody says, oh, Jordan Poole, what
happened to him? You go to work and get knocked
the f out and then go back the next day.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Everybody tell you your bad for not ducking Well, hold on, now,
I'm with you, except for what did he say?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I don't care. I'm just saying you know what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
He's saying, I get talk to me, do couple we
this is this is your coworker.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Brau jumped in the air with the punch Martin. That
was the cartoon Rogie. It wasn't a normal he jumped
to jump punch somebody when you already four inches taller
than him. You know how mad you gotta be to
jump punch someone shorter than you.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
I don't know how mad he had to be, because
I've seen the person in question do a whole lot
worse with a whole lot less, and like it, just maybe,
just maybe, d Jordan Poole was a sacrifice at the
altar of the Draymond Green Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
And that's why the thirty for thirty is gonna be
lit when whenever that happened.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I just like Jordan Pool.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I watched his entire career in Michigan. He hit big
shots after big shots, and I get he was. He's
a goofy kid, and I get all of that.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Like, but again, like the idea that we just look
at Jordan Poole as a waste of space in the
NBA landscape, and I get that he did not necessarily
cover himself in glory in Washington, But I don't know, Man,
After I damn near got my jaw broke, I would
have a different attitude as well.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
All right.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I'm glad he has a public defender because this man
the only I watched the low lights in Washington. I'm like, man,
that is some terrible basketball. And it ain't just him.
Kuzman was looking terrible out there. Everybody was looking terrible
out there in Washington. I don't know what they're doing,
can make any sense of that. So again, some trade,
some movement. We'll have more conversation on that a little
bit late to New.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Orleans, Jordan, but I'll tell you what you want to
talk about.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
The real c J.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
McCollum was stealing money from the Pelicans the last few years.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
And it's him and Grant Williams just fault that we
had this whold Grant Williams in the first Grant Williams
hard cap, second Aprin in the first dog all place.
So that's really all your fault. C J.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
McCollum, get out of town.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
He did become the new Rudy Gay, where everybody was like, man,
if they just had Rudy Gay, remember that era. You
know who else is in that you mentioned him earlier
off air. Tobias Harris, another guy that man, if they
just had like a Tobias Harris guy man, if they
had like a Rudy gay man, if they had a CJ.
McCollum type guy, those type of guys you feel like
will change the course, and it ended up ends up
(05:09):
not being the case. Well, somebody who clearly changed the
case for a lot of team three of them. In fact,
he wouldn't won a championship for that. Lebron and he
had a lot to say about He has MVP four
MVPs and had the conversation with Steve national mini podcast
about what is the help me out, what's the criteria?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
What are we doing? What isn't MVP. Here's what Bron
had to say.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
It's changes. It's like, okay, so is it the is
it the best player? You know? Is it the is
it the player that had the best season with his team,
you know, maybe that's offensive player of the year, you know,
or is it the just simply the best player in
the league, like statistically was the best player of the
(05:50):
year league, you know, no matter, you know, obviously you're
not gonna have a guy in there that's like, doesn't
the team didn't come close to making the playoffs? Well obviously,
because if that's the case, then he's not the best player,
you know, but it's not the most valuable then. But
if it's I don't know, it's just it's just changes,
it changes too much.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
I completely agree, and it is something that as somebody
who has worked in the.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
National media since twenty fifteen.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I feel like I sometimes get gas lit by what
the conversation is on a yearly basis over how we
define who the most valuable player in the NBA is.
Because when I broke into the national media, I was
told that averaging a triple double for.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
The five seed was what made you the MVP and
the reason why.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
They said, well, Kevin Durant left and that was the
most narrative based MVP and like in modern MVP history.
And then I felt like we went further down, like
that was like the apex of narrative MVP. And then
as a result we swung back and was like, now
we gotta get stats MVP, and we reached the apex
of stats MVP. When Jokic is ating a million different
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advanced stats and he's like, well, if you look at
his pr and his raptor and his war and his
you know, wins, all of this other stuff is you know,
ops he's killing it, right, I'm like, all right, right exactly,
Like when you look at all of that, he's the
best player to lead, Like, well, I look at his
team or the four seed. You know what I'm saying,
What are we doing here? I cannot like and look, Lebron,
(07:24):
I'm with you when you're right. I'm with you when
you're right. The offensive player of the of the year
in the NBA is it needs to be instituted so badly.
I ask you this. Let's say the postseason from game one,
Round one. I know that feels like eight years ago now,
but around one game one to Game seven of the
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of the NBA Finals, say that was its own season.
Who would you say was the MVP of that season
the MVP of this postseason? You can pick two or three.
I still think it's that SGA. You still think it's
that It was a boring We talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
But dude was putting up thirty on the level that
only Michael Jordan's done. So, I mean, he was balling
out of control. H If you asked me who was
the most exciting and just what a wild ride? Tyre's Helliburton.
But at the end of the day he had way
too many games of oh that he had fourteen.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
But the amount of game winning shots that he hit
in that playoffs with the idea that he's the guy
who is the straw that stirs the drink, which I
kind of, you know, hand up, my bad, I thought
a little overblown. Then I watched without him, I was like, oh, okay,
no cutting, this is legit, this is real. And because
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it's really hard to quantify the absence of turning of
like the absence of something missing Tyreek Heliburton not turning
the ball over.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Something it's hard to see, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Once then you see all those pick sixers, like, oh,
that's what they were talking about. This is what the
this is what the whole thing is. To me, Sga
would have been the offensive player of the year on
this team, which to me, didn't shoot well from the floor.
Their key was the defense. Their key was all of
that right, and Shague was not nearly the best defender
on the floor. It competes on the defensive end, but
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he is benefiting off of the wing defenders that they
have out there, the rim protections that they have getting
out there making stuff happen on the offensive end. I
would have had him be the Offensive Player of the
Year in this stretch in the regular season, MVP to
me would have been Jokic. Now, the thing is.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
They would give Jokics four MVPs. Well, some of these
other ones should have been Offensive Player of the Year awards.
That's my point. I get what you're saying, so but
to me, the.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Most valuable player he's not necessarily the guy who's always
scoring the most points on the best team. And I
think we end up it just like you said, narrative
changes all the time. Offensive player would be who's the
best score right now? And I think that's just a
much cleaner way to define it. And I think we
mix up who's the best score and who's the MVP.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
To me, it's two far for me one. I think
the issue is when we universally know the best player
is filling the blank, that person needs a flat out
be the MVP. And what I mean by that is,
there was an eight to nine ten year period with
Lebron James. You can maybe even go more. I might
be selling them short. Was the best player in the
NBA period. Everybody know you woke up Lebron James best
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player from probably nineteen eighty seven, eighty eight to nineteen
ninety eight, except for a couple of years Michael Jordan's
the best player in the NBA. So the idea that
we then turn around and play and say, ooh, will
Karl Malone, well, Charles Barkley, well, ooh remember that year, Ooh,
Derrick Rose, it's cute what the bulls are doing? Yeah,
he's and he got demolished in the playoffs, and you
saw he looked much. He looked less than going up
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against a motivated Lebron who was like, let me show
y'all how he's not that guy in comparison to me.
The point is we do that too often, in my opinion,
where we all know who the best player is, we
ought whatever you want to call it, best player VP,
that person is it, and historically we have not given
it to him. And I think a part of that
is leads to why I think we'll never have a criteria,
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because I think people enjoy the idea subconsciously, subliminally in
the back of their mind Martin, that they can go, well,
let's just give it to somebody else, because otherwise they know,
for a ten year perio, you probablyoud gave it to
Michael Jordan for an eight to ten year pier.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
You would have gave it to Uh, to Lebron.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
There's a period where maybe for five years you just
gave it to Peyton Manning, like dude, He's just ain't
nobody like Peyton Manning, you might have just gave it
to him. So therefore, I think people subconsciously don't even
know that they do want this because it leads for
the fodder. It leads for the conversation. It leads for
the sports debates and the barbershops and on radio and
on TV.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
No is it Yokis?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Is it Shay?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
No? Is it Lebron?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
No?
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Is it Kobe? Is it?
Speaker 7 (11:47):
No?
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Is it uh?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
This person or this person?
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Is it Peyton?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Or is it you know, Ladaneley and Thomason? And I
think it leads to that because of the vagueness of it,
I think we ultimately won it. We just don't know
that we want it. Otherwise I think people will be bored.
Handed it to Michael Jordan for a decade, handed it
to Lebron, handed the Peyton Manning, handed whatever the sport is,
handing this to that guy for five to sixty year period,
(12:12):
and I think subconsciously we like that. We like the debate,
the fighter. Ah, No, I mean I like, is it
about the best player on the best team. No, this
guy James hard is doing stuff we've never seen, thirty
five games and leading the league in assists and points.
And I think we enjoy that more than we actually
know that we do, because I don't think our human
nature wants to just give it to And this is
(12:32):
why I sat here for what two months, give or take,
yelling at Rob Lamar Jackson is not gonna win the MVP.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Look at his numbers, I said, I know you're right.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Rob g is my witness and short the listeners, I said,
people are tired of giving it to him. Yes, the
numbers are great, Yes they're better than last season. Guess
what they're gonna say, it's Chush Allen's time. Well, he's
the first note when they are the All Pro comes
out only one time in hard Ford years, it all
pro get it wrong. I said, well this could be
in a union. They can have it again and Josh
(13:07):
Allen wins it. My point was human nature gets fatigued
of things you can't it's you have to be.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
So self aware to not do that.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
And you know it is argument always like to be well,
Barry Bonds won it all those times, and ros say
yes because they have two leagues. If they had one,
I guarantee you Barry Bonds would not have won it
over and over.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's easy, all right, Well he's the best off area.
Somebody mix it up.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
On the other side, if there was just one MLB MVP,
Barry Bonds would not have won it. I think it was,
what five times in a row, whatever it was, because
they would have gotten bored with somebody else. We'll all
he's doing is hitting home runs, or they would have
found some human nature reason to do that. So I
think we don't want it to be that simplistic. So
therefore we have different options. We have different people because
sometimes in sports there's somebody who's just that good for
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that period where we'd have to just keep handing it
to him or her every year.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Well, speaking of handing it out, oh Dallas Mavericks. Nine
time All Star Kyrie Irving declined his forty three million
dollar player option and is signing a three year, one
hundred and nineteen million dollar contract with the Dallas Mavericks
with a player option. At twenty twenty seven, Kyrie Irving,
congratulations on a torn ACL in your thirties with a
(14:21):
player option to go ahead and get well. He had
forty three coming, So he's a quick math by me
bag eighty more over the next two years, and you
get to choose whether or not you want that forty
in year three.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Hey, I'm about to start wearing long furarrings in my
ear whatever he wears.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Salute to his agent, his mother. Yeah, shout to mom.
Keep that three percent.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Ah, Hey, this one right here, I think eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox Robbersie. I want to hear
people say, because Martin and I try to figure out
what is the criteria to ain MVP when you're watching
Is it stats as Martin mentioned with Joki. Is it
just I'm the best player on the best team with
the most wins like an SGA. What's your criteria for
MVP when you were breaking it down, it's the Odd
(15:08):
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having a conversation about the bron brought up a point
I think a lot of people have when we get
especially we even have it in even though he's talking
NBA happens even in MLB.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Happens in football? What is an MVP? What's the criteria?
Speaker 5 (16:08):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Best offensive player? Best player on the best team?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Can you be the MVP if your team is a
succeed and whatever the sport is, right, there's a conversation.
We'll take a quick call, real quick, Andre in Massachusetts.
You are on the Odd Cup on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Andre.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
What's up, brother, how are you doing?
Speaker 8 (16:24):
Thanks for taking a call. Listen for me. I do
think we need to expand the criterion when we're looking
at MVP. Generally we see it being the best player
on the best team or the top two teams in
the league, and that person gets preferential treatment. That's, of course,
why Steve Nash, you know, even though I see what
he's doing with the Mind the Game podcast, but he's
stolen the MVP from Kobe Bryant. Okay, because in nobody,
(16:44):
this is what my grandfather used to say, in this style,
nobody in the cotton taking mind would have believed that
Steve Nash was better than Kobe Bryant pound for pound,
but they gave him it because of the seven seconds
of lesson the Sun with Sons were good. So that's
for me. We got to if you're on a topick,
if you're not in the plane, okay, and you are
clearly the best player in the league, then you got
to get the MVP. And just because another player is
on a better team of the best team, that's organized.
(17:07):
That that's institutional strength. You can't control that, right. These
are players that are playing on teams that put together
rosters where they can be to one or two.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
If you're the top.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
Player, but you can only do what you can do,
you should be in the MVP conversation. I agree with
Lebron James in his overall point. He lost a couple
of MVPs. Also lost the defensive player of the year, right,
so Marcus Sault, that would have been nice on his
all time regiment that one I was.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
I agree with that one. That was a comedy. Marcosol
was a really good defender. But Lebron was going crazy
that because any time, thank you for the call, Andre
mart anytime Lebron applies himself, which is partly why a
lot of people don't give him the go.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
You know, there's games where they feel like he should
have did more.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Game six, Boston, I needed that every night game, whatever
that was, when you score twenty five straight or fists,
I want that every night. You know, forty one forty
one in triple double in the five and so people
almost felt he didn't apply himself enough when he was
going crazy trying to win that defensive Player to year.
It was like, all right, this is getting he's blocking everything,
charges locking I told you locking up. I mean it
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was a couple he was private locking up Derek Rose
and just you saw like, oh, if he ever just
was like, for the next three four years, I want
to defensive player year, he was probably gonna win one
or two because it's just for him to put that
energy and effort in with his athleticism.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It was it's ridiculous. And see that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I don't mean to just spin this back to Cooper Flag,
but this is why I think that playing catches on
the day. Why I don't think that playing hard is
like it's definitely something you want over somebody who does
not play hard.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
But you could play as hard as you want.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Like every like you could the guys who Lebron Lebron
decided I don't want to play defensive.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Stop you from doing whatever you want to do.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Whoever was on offense could do play as hard as
they wanted to and it did not matter because he
had to lead that athleticism and he's at that point
in time, he was cutting off guys as water. It's
one of the only real athlete podcast that I consume
on any regular basis post playing athlete podcast is Jeff
t because Jeff Zig seems to be the only one
(19:03):
that downplays himself in these moments. Right, you know what
I'm saying, Jeff Tige is like, nah, I knew he
was giving me work. I knew it.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
And it's not like he's said, like, bro, I tried
to guard Kyrie.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
He was giving me forty because he was giving everybody
forty and it was my turn.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
To catch forty. His story is about Steph Curry. Hilarious.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Right, And Jeff t played in the league for what
twelve years, was a hot pitched All Star thinking what
he wants to walk to the All Star Champion, Like
I know he got a champion, like signed his name
on the group paper project at the end.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
But you know, like that's what I see, like when
you tell me, oh yeah, Like remember when.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Russell Westbrook rest in piece and nips yes, when Russell
Westbrook went out at the twenty twenty twenty game. That
was kind of the genesis of this thought was like
he could do this every night. But it's like part
of it is the longevity of and I don't disparage
Lebron or Russell Westbrook, anybody for having a day off
in February because you want to get to game seven
(20:00):
up the finals and be able to finish strong.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
I bet you're Tyree Talliburton, which is.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
He had taken a New Year's Eve game off because
it wouldn't have mattered in the seating and the standings,
and that game he was won away.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
From a championship. You know what I'm saying, So too soon.
I don't I don't have a bee.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
I don't have any problem with like the now it
gets to be aggressive when she guys sitting out a ton,
she gots just for rest consistently. All right, now, Now
I got an issue. But that's playing hard.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Is But you just said so far. This is why
we're gonna keep mostly disagreed on this, Lebron. We just said,
decided to bunk it down and lock in, and I'm
about to play hard with elite.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Well here's the elite of leader, leader, lead athleticism.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Well, my point is, if Cooper Flagg chooses and continues
to play hard as we see him do in high school,
saw him doing summers, saw him do a duke, want
to be better and like truly cares about winning. I'm
saying he has a leader. Let's leticism and the other
stuffer is coming. Because I know how much he cares
and works. I know he's gonna get even better jump.
So mid range is pretty nice. That's why we shocked
(21:07):
he missed one that could have put them to the
next level. His mid range is nice. It's only gonna
be better. Most kids come into the NBA can't shoot
the three. It's farther. It's just different. Different approach is
you get to shoot it more so you're kind of like, oh,
I'm obe I can shoot it. It takes a while
to get the jump shot. I mean, Tyers said Halliburn.
We were all he couldn't really shoot it. Then then
he capable.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Part of one of the things about uh you know
why Sacramento.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, like, man, he can't hit the three in this
day and age, and obviously now to the two of
eight and three out of four in the first quarter
Game seven in the NBA Finals prior to the Achilles.
So that's why I'm saying, if he's doing all this now,
he's only going to get better. And he is elite
in comparison to seventy percent of the NBA. As far
as athleticism, I'm like, dude, I just think their floor
(21:51):
is really really high for him as well.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, Rogie, just.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
Real quick, you don't think that he does anything elite, right,
so you said Martin, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I mean I think he's very very good.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I don't think that the work ethic will keep him
in the league for a very long time.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
So there have been depending on who you talk to,
the comparisons of current players for him is Kawhi Leonard,
Jason Tatum type. I've heard another scouts say that for
today's NBA he could be Kevin Garnett. Do you think
any of those guys had any elite traits when they
came out of to the draft.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
I think Kevin Garnett was an elee athlete at that
point in time. I think it's like terms of defensive
shot blocking, rebound.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
I mean, Cooper Flag is a really great defender in college, right.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
But I think if you it kind of it's like
when people said Wenby was like Kevin Durant, and it's like,
I know that they're tall and they both shoot threes,
but when you just watch him, it doesn't look quite
the same.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
There's a and that goes to my point at what
I like about Cooper Flag is ferocity. Like he played
he can. He's trying to destroy your shot on that
that's true. He didn't get a block. He's going crazy
and he cares and he's fired up because he could
easy be like, oh, I've been that guy. Scinuce I
was fourteen.
Speaker 9 (22:55):
Now he's like three inches shorter than kg. But in
today's NBA he's basically a.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Powerful I'm not mad at that. And if you put
him in a blender. I do like the Polo too,
just kind of the big I play big, but I'm.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Cart I go to me. That's where I go. Paolo
Tatum like those types of guys. The idea that I
don't think Kevin Darnett was an elite at like jumping
out of the gym, he was a freak.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
For that error, like that was normal to see what
he was doing.
Speaker 9 (23:22):
Now, Tatum's a four time first Team All NBA THO.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
And Tatum is also but Tatum's in the structure. That's
why I think it's good that he's going to that.
Cooper Flag is going to Dallas because you look at
the state of the Tatum. The structure that Tatum goes into,
then that's part of the reason why he's able to
have this success and go to all these conference finals
back to back. If Jason Tatum was a Charlotte Hornet,
he wouldn't have four First Team All NBA.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
And that's why. On the other side, I want to
tell you a theory of mind. Steven Second is gonna
give us what's trending right now.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm Eastern,
four pm Pacific on Fox Sport Sorts Radio and the
iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Steve, Thank you so much, have a great night.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
It is The Odd Couple, Kelvin Washington, Martin White, who
is and for Rob and we of course are the
odd Couple.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
We got last call coming up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
You said something a moment ago, Martin, we were talking
about Cooper Flag.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
What go ahead, We'll just remind me what you were saying, because.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
The big thing is and and honestly stems to a
conversation that Rob Gene We're having off as we were
getting ready for this, and that's why he just popped
on there was.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Like, but what about Jason Tatum. Most of the time,
these high drafted.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Guys who were expected to change features of franchises don't
have the opportunity to because the infrastructure around them is terrible.
While I do not think that Cooper Flag is the
home run slam dunk that everybody is talking about, I
think that his work ethic and the fact that he
is good at everything, not great at necessarily anything, yet
(24:57):
translates perfectly at a place like that. Who has no
business with the number one overall pick. Right, that's a
team that tried like hell to make the play in
even after trading Luka Doncics.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
There's a team that has a structure around him.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
So, like Jason Tatum, they got Bofton ended up having
the nets first round pick, and that's why they were
up there. They weren't up there due to record, And
like the trade terror team Right got Tatum and put
Tatum in a position where he could be the best
player he could be in the infrastructure that existed already,
and that's how he ends up dunking on Lebron In
(25:33):
twenty fifteen. I remember watching it a TGI Fridays, like
it was yesterday and that whole run of Eastern Conference
Finals appearances since then, the structure and then the greatness
on top of it. If Tatum was a hornet or
a trailblazer, I'm not saying the same.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
This is why it has led me to something I
get into so many debates about, and this was my
theory brought I said I wanted to touch on. This
is why I don't have a problem with a lebron
when he makes a decision, with anybody who chooses to leave.
If I'm that not a regular guy, first ball, could
be anybody, but especially if I'm great, and you all
(26:10):
are gonna judge me on it, this is where the
ring conversation comes, ring culture conversation. You're only gonna judge
me on rings, right, Well, you were really good, but
you didn't win it, n F Ring. Then I can't
stay with a franchise that has been unstable, a city
that hasn't won a championship in fifty some years in
anty sport, and then I'm gonna stay here for fifteen
(26:30):
twenty years and who has proven to never be a winner.
It's just so at the end of my career, even
if I have really good accolades and I have a
few MVPs and you'll go, you ain't even win one ring,
even on the same caliber player that I ended up
ultimately with being as I go get rings, you would say,
you ain't that good. You didn't win rings. And to me,
that is why I have no problem. When a guy
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goes to the team, he gets drafted, there, gives it
his all for two three, four, five years, look up
another maybe times. Well, you know we don't. I feel like, man,
I'm a lawyer to the city. I just want to
get another two three four signs another dal okay, cool
after year six, seven eight? How can you be mad
at this person if they've never paired you with other people?
You mentioned it with the Celtics ever put you in
good situations, never surrounded you with the right guys, never
(27:12):
had the great coach, you never had the right culture,
and you're just sitting there wallowing away, wasting away just
for you and I the you know, we had the
Kelvin and Martin show for us to go. He sucks,
he's all right, he's good. And that's to me where
I'm like, what do y'all expect from these guys? When
they and Nick you say, And this is where me
and Rob get into it all the time, especially because
(27:35):
Rob is fake because he actedly he don't be on
social media. Rob posts more than me and you and
Rob G combined and Alex, but he acted like, oh,
I don't even know about social media, taking shots to
Rob G, fat shaming us, Rob G and workout shaming
you and then will turn around and be like, I
don't think these players pay attention Rob. They they're twenty five,
(27:56):
They've known nothing but social media. It's been their entire existence.
So of course they see these things. Of course they
see the clips. Of course they see the podcast now
and everybody talking about it. He ain't this, he ain't that.
And that's why in the ring culture conversation, I was saying, everybody's.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Like, Lebron knows that he wants rings. I said, no.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
What he was saying was the reason I left was
because I started to realize I got MVPs. I've been
to the finals. I lost in on seven, but I'm
doing this. Y'all know my team's number one seat. The
Big three in Boston just comes out of the blue,
and you know I can't get past them, and all.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
You guys are gonna do is say, he's.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Good, but he ain't got a rings. He ain't even
better than Kobe. Kobe got but he ain't. How can
he be Jordan? He ain't better than his brother and
he knew. She's like, I gotta go chase these rings.
And my point is that's why to me lead too,
I feel like nobody has these conversations enough. And another position, quarterbacks, Dudes,
you go to a busted team, a busted franchise, don't
want to spend money. Never put anybody switching coaches at three?
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Don't henders?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Do a hypothetical.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Scenario with Week five this season, when the Bengals are
two and three and Zach Taylor's on the hot seat,
They're gonna ask Joe Burrow, who would have just thrown
for three hundred and seventy five yards, three touchdowns, in
an interception and in a thirty one to seven or
a thirty one to twenty one lost to Baltimore. They
gonna be like, Joe, why why aren't you getting it done?
And there would be no conversation of the fact that well,
(29:14):
the leading the sack leader in the NFL, we couldn't
get him in camp, and then his replacement, who we
drafted in the first round. We couldn't get him in camp.
Mind you, he was a project because he only had
four and a half college sacks. That's just the quick math,
five times less than our sack leader had, right, I
was like that that Trey Hendrickson did have. So like
(29:35):
all of those things. Oh and also too, we just
paid two wide receivers top of the market money. After
pro rating this all. Maybe there's a reason why the
Bengals have gone off to a slow start every single
year of Joe Burrow's career that may have.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Nothing to do with him or everything to do with him.
There you go, and that happens so often. Man Rice
Young ends up in Green Bay sits a year or
two behind. Let's say it was Annon Rodgers or I
will be Jordan Love, whatever the case would be. Stable
organization or organization. That's one has been really good for
sixty seven eighty years. All of a sudden, brance Young,
we might man, I ain't pretty dag gone good. But
he goes to the Panthers, nothing going on. They're running
(30:12):
for his life, and now you're like, he ain't nothing.
He shouldn't even be in the NFL, and to me,
I think quarterbacks and star NBA players who are young
who get drafted. I go to these, you know, the abyss,
I'm always like, what are you?
Speaker 8 (30:22):
So?
Speaker 4 (30:23):
They got to stay there just to make y'all happy,
So you don't burn their jerseys.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
That's the thing, And it's the thing because I as
a primary sports fan more than anything else. I know
that the journalist thing. But I came into this business
as a fan and try to stay so I like sports. Yeah, no, witch,
nobody for me to be in Uh No one listening
to my voice right now. Working at a company that
(30:48):
has any competitor would stay where they work if every
things are pretty much the same for less money, nobody
would do it.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Rob g been trying to lead. Just somebody paying fifty
cent more for how long?
Speaker 5 (31:01):
No one would do that. And so you telling me
that I have an opportunity to leave one corporation to
go to another one that's gonna pay me x y
Z that much more.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Because all these teams are there, they got bosses.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Just like you do and been in the opposite and
so when that happens here, I am burning jerseys. I
can never quite understood how so it's always on the players,
not the owners.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I got one for you because the pre eminent athlete
podcaster just dropped a quote that we got to talk
about in just a minute.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
But I want to leave you to think about this. Huh.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Kevin Durant started a lot of this conversation and it's
Kevin Durant is a mount Rushmore celebrity tweeter. Who are
your other three? Ooh? That and the quote from the
preeminent podcaster what he had to say about this tomorrow
night's draft.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
We'll do that and man and last Call eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox, It's The Odd Couple Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
with Rob Parker and kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm
Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Hi. This is Jay.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
I'm the producer of the Paul and Tony Fusco Show.
Usually in these promos they asked you to listen to
the show. I'm here to ask you please don't listen
to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who
have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable don't listen to
the show so it can get cancel the.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Studio, get him, Ignore that fool.
Speaker 9 (32:29):
Listen to the Tony Fosco Show on the iHeart Radio
app or wherever you get your podcast.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
He's still moving.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
The odd Couple.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Calvin Washington, Martin Weiss one more time for us before
we call it a day. Shout out to Martin filling
in for Rob for a couple of days. Rob out
their uh sniping people on on Twitter and Instagram.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
The real question, Robs, are you gonna're gonna snipe back?
What you're gonna do?
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
You're gonna say?
Speaker 5 (32:52):
What's your check on saying nothing?
Speaker 4 (32:54):
You're gonna say look at it? Don't act like that.
Bere editing up the podcast. Make sure you check out
the podcast, by the way, if you get a chance to,
and our YouTube page as well.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
You are before we go, you were saying, so i'mou
kd and and Twitter.
Speaker 5 (33:07):
Well, because I I think Keavin Durant is on the
mount Rushmore of celebrity tweeters, and I've been asking this
is my question of the day.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I like to ask everybody who else is on your list?
Speaker 5 (33:19):
So if anybody here wants to participate in an next
couple of minutes, I'll give you a moment to thank you.
Tweet us Matt Martin Wise at KB Live let us
know who you think. In the meantime, the preeminent athlete podcaster,
that's Paul George. He released a new episode of Podcast
P and he said, quote and the thing I think
if I'm Mace Bailey, I can't get mad with my
stock drops. But he's canceled all workouts. He hasn't worked
(33:42):
out for any team, so they made a big deal.
They were scheduled to canceled the day up. The more
of it is make it to the league first. It's
for sure that people around him, I don't know who's
representing him, but they're going about it the wrong way.
But make it to the league first is kind of
Paul George's advice.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Until listen to it seems to a guy who may
be his new as teammate.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Yeah, well that's what And then funny for the Sixers
to be clear, I don't think there's gonna be like
Podcast PA with Podcast P plus A.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
No.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah, he was just he was just he'll be there.
And the thing interesting about this will makes Katie so great.
Katie will jump in anybody's tweet, Yes, music, football.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Shoes.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
He just jumps in anything. And I'm all, I'm shocked.
Given a few minutes, I wouldn't be shocked to be
jumped into this one. No, Paul, you got it wrong.
Sometime we got empowered player empowerment, you know, let him
know you're not going like Kevin Durant knows no end.
I mean, and that's what makes him either frustrating on
one and if you're maybe if you're his brand manager,
if you're his teammate, I mean, you don't got to
jump in every beef or the opposite is that you're like.
(34:47):
We love it that he's authentically himself and he engages.
He said, he said, I love doing this because I
love talking to fans. He really does that.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
And I think also too, we're the same age, Kevin Durant.
We all are chronically online. There's some people who don't
post anything, there's some people who post everything. He is
just one of those who happens to post everything. Who
was also gotten more millions of dollars than I'll ever imagine. Hey,
and he, to his credit, will jump into something. We'll
(35:18):
get into something He's not like a some people jump
in jump out like a Lebron's gonna jump in say
this thing y'all thought, y'all said this about me, and
they's gonna jump out. No, KD was standing there go by,
I mean him and Ryan Clark just went out there
a couple of few weeks back about so I can't
remember what it was, but they they go he is
KD is in it for the love of the game.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Yeah, he like enjoys the battles. And I'm always kind
of blown away from like, man, you really because you
want to go? You want to We all want to
start to be his schedule, Like don't you have time?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
How you have time?
Speaker 5 (35:45):
You got to do?
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Like, dude, No, everybody has time.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
He's on his way to that meeting.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
It's gonna be a forty five minute driving through New
York in a black truck and he's in the back,
so he's got time to do that.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
We have a few other who else would you like
to know?
Speaker 5 (35:57):
My the polling from the class who she got and
I also landed on both of these two, but I
wasn't sure how much they qualify, which maybe the mount
Rushmore might just be one, and Kevin Durant's came to.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
The first one. The current president of the United State
is Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
However, while he was on a heater on Twitter, he quit,
did he is truth? Social?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
He boss quit you look at it.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Whatever it is, he left the platform. And if you
quit the game, then I don't know how you can
be the champ.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
So who you got well is one person as far
as knowing how to throw something starts and firing, you know,
it's just like watch me let this burn Jamail. But
that's kind of what she also does on the cheeko
she is in the media. I don't know how that's
what I'm saying. I think she's kind of that's not exactly.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
I don't think that fits because without social media, and
I get it was like she's obviously a successful journalists,
not downplaying that, but like, would she still be as
famous as she is if she wasn't on social Kevin
is a basketball player and that's what I know him.
So here's the other one. Who, Hey, Twitter world, do
(37:05):
you know what I'm talking about? Magic? No? Okay, rest
in peace. O. J. Simpson was one of the best sweeters. Hey,
Twitter world. Everybody knows.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Rest in peace, Oja.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I guess the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon is
coming up next.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I never miss your radio show.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
I never hear it, so I never miss it.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
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