December 10, 2025 • 38 mins
Rob and Kelvin explain why the Michigan football head coaching gig is still one of the plum jobs in sports in the wake of Sherrone Moore’s firing. Plus, Sports Illustrated Las Vegas Raiders beat writer Hondo Carpenter swings by to discuss what’s gone wrong for Pete Carroll in his first season with the club, who he thinks should be the next head coach if Carroll gets the axe, and much more!
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A chair during your show.
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I'm just saying.
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What I'm just saying is that like a four or
five reference. Again, yes, a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Everybody have a Bobby Night moment every now and again. Okay,
we just chuck a chair.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
But you chuck the chair, but usually you gotta win
some national championships first.
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I'm just saying, uh, hey, coming out.
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I'm getting it shaved right now. Come just scrap at
super Bowl coming up in about twenty seven minutes.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Hondo Carpenter, friend of mine who covers the Las Vegas Raiders,
beat writer for OU Side.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Do you know Hondo.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
He's from the Michigan state area. He was a sportscaster
up there. I gotta see him.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, matter of.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Fact, Darren Haynes from KCBS, Yeah, here in Los Angeles,
you're our bud. Uh he worked with Hondo. He knows
Hondo really working. Yeah, so he covers the Raiders. Interesting
interesting article that he wrote, and I need to take
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him the task.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So yes, give me, give me a headline of teaser.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
He talked about that he's not advocating that Pete Carroll
get fired, but the name he brought up as a replacement,
as a replacement, I have a major issue with, and
we can't wait to talk with right.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Look at you.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
How long have you been working in radio?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Let me see it. He didn't write it, and he
wants to take credit for that team.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
That was great. That was a really good one.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Rob, it's simple whatever, whatever one of his job. That's
my favorite thing. What my favorite thing is that nobody
else you.
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Shout out to YouTube if you're in the radio on
my back, or check out the podcast or simulcast on YouTube.
My favorite thing is me and you yelling at each
other for fifteen minutes about whatever the subject is. It
is you're crazy, though, you're wrong, You're crazy, You're wrong,
all right, it's simple, rap ge g, it's simple.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
It's simple.
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And from radio listeners, I'm looking at my phone waiting,
pointing at rob text.
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It's simple, rob Gi, I need to get the text whatever.
That's my favorite part.
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No you're wrong. I'm trying to tell you. No, you
crack look whatever, all right, it's simple. Rob TV slow
on the on the text to sometimes Rob.
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G be slow. It's hilarious. She slow. Oh I'm crying.
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Yo.
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All right, I know my professor's at Columbia and Jayson.
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Let's sometimes you gotta be it every now and again.
Just tell my daughter my wife getting man. Don't say that.
I'll say, hey, baby girl, throw me the remote. It's
not though, it's throw baby, I am, I speak on
news every day. Let me let me have let me
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The remote anyway, go ahead, well before we get to
this next topic, because it is a heavy one. A
couple of youtubeians commenting the odd mob talking about what's
on the show just about the last hour, you know,
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That was the point you noticed doing sports talk rat
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sixties and seventies rock songs.
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I want to go that's just saying. I bet we
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it was never a problem. But if we have an
outa get to the show, boy, you ain't never lie.
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So I got what you're saying. Rob g knows what
I'm talking about.
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Speaker 2 (06:09):
We can't and into this conversation.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Nah, yeah, yeah, terrible timing. A big story of the day, guys,
obviously heavy there in Michigan, head football coach Charon Moore
has been fired with cause by the university after an
investigation show that he had an improper relationship with a
staff member. Details show coming out. You know, we're trying
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to get as much as we can. But a few
hours after that story came out, it was reported that
more was detained by police in Michigan and later it
turned over to a second area police department for doing
something he probably shouldn't have done. And that's all we're
gonna say. If we're still getting more information, and uh,
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it's not looking good there in Michigan. But in order
to spend the conversation forward, because if you missed the
first conversation about the act itself and what that means
for the collegiate there, for the college in Michigan and
college in general, check out the podcast. You know, we
have it all up there in a minute. But moving forward. Now,
Michigan has an interim head football coach. Nobody really expects
him to get the full time gig. Who knows if
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they'll have a new head coach for this upcoming season,
but the plan is eventually, Michigan being Michigan, They're gonna
get a very, very prominent name at some point here
in the future, which here reads to the next question.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Michigan is one of the bigger brands in all of football,
not just in college but in football period. Big brand,
big expectations. The problem is they don't really win all
that big. They've only won two national championships since Moby
Dick was a guppy. So here's the question I ask you, guys.
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Now that Shane Moore is out of town, they have
an interim coach, they'll be looking for the next hot
name here relatively quickly. Is the head football coach at
the University of Michigan still a plumb job in your opinion?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
And Kelvin as you know, being a columnist and TV
guy and radio guy in Detroit for twenty years, you
know I had two sides to Michigan because I always
thought that's so crazy, as big as Michigan football is
and the tradition and both sham Beckler as a statue,
he never even won a national championship, and he's revered
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in Michigan and it was still about the Big Ten
and beating Ohio State madd at Moore because they.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Didn't win national championships. They really didn't.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
And as much as I pushed back against that, I
will defend that Michigan is a blue blood and one
of the pieces of the fabric of college football, from
the winged helmet, to the big House, to all the
stuff that the amazing blue all the stuff that goes into it.
I don't think they won enough or you know what
I mean, or it should be celebrated, or the Alabama
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or some these other schools that have won a ton
of championships compared to Michigan. But I can't discount or
pool pool the Michigan football job or their tradition and
their place with the blue bloods of college football. I
do believe that Michigan is in the same conversation with
Alabama and USC and you know, and these kind of
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schools and Notre Dame and all that those are the
schools that are the fabric of college football.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I absolutely one thousand percent agree. A couple of reason
whyse we talked about Rob he doesn't think it's anything. Yeah,
we here side, it's craziness. We want to hear from
you though, though you're right that they didn't win a
bunch of national championships. But I think one thing we
disregard now because everything's about the BCS didn't turn college
football playoffs.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Winning a bowl used to be huge.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
The Rose Bowl was huge, like that was a massive deal.
Sugar Bowls were massive deals, you know, all these bowl games.
So for years, if Michigan would win and you win
the Big Ten and then you come over here and
you play the West Coast and you play USC, or
you some team in Washington and from the Pac twelve
and the Rose Ball, that was a big deal. So
to have that brand on a massive day when America
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everybody's watching college football and you're seeing that Maze and blue.
They're playing hell to the victors, you know what I mean.
And it's Michigan that created a huge, massive brand. Having
some Heisman Trophy winners as well, you know, Desmond Howard,
Charles Woodson, so that adds to the lure as well.
I absolutely believe it's a great gig. It's a great city.
Obviously bias some born and raised there.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
But for somebody from New York who didn't grow up
with college football, like I'm not you.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It's a great feel. It is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So I think as of the last twenty five thirty years,
you start to get more of the you know these up.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
A couple of schools that start to pop up.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Clemsons, Clemson's popped up over the last fifteen years or so.
You know, Florida State in the nineties, Miami and the
late eighties, in the nineties, but throughout those sixties, seventies,
eighties and even nineties, Michigan came a really big deal.
And I agree eight and four was kind of regular
when I was growing up there. Nine in three was okay,
you know I lost to Appalachi and stay, don't bring that.
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Why you come on, man, why you gotta go there?
That wasn't Rich right there? Rich Rod Reagan. I no, no,
that wasn't Rich.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
That was Rich. I wasn't Rick Brady Hope. I mean,
uh Brat Brady. No, no, no, Before that, why am
I Martin?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Was that Lloyd That Lloyd Car? That was the beginning.
That was the end, the end beginning of d M
for Lloyd Car. When they lost that game, man, that
was crazy. I remember when Brady Holk was there. His
nickname was Brady Joe. Yeah, it was bad.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
It was bad for a little while there, But so
that is the dirty secret. I will agree that Michigan
hasn't won quite like your thought, but I still think
it's a powerhouse. And I still think it's a massive job,
a massive get, and a great opportunity.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The other thing about Michigan, like I it's one hundred
percent true.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
If you if you lost like Lloyd Carr, you lose
two games in Beatle House did every so often, they'll
build a statue for you.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
You're good to go.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
Same thing with for really being honests Jim har It
was ugly before COVID.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Remember Jim Harball too had to take a pay cut
at Michigan.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I remember vividly.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
But the thing about it is in this day and
age with nil money, yeah, Michigan in them. In terms
of what makes a competitive college football program today, in
a world where Indiana is the number one team in
the nation, there's no excuse. And honestly, like last year
was ridiculous that you miss a program like Michigan should
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have a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Now, I completely agree Jim Harball created that we don't
need a quarterback thing. We just run and play defense.
And now it because remember, Michigan was quarterback you for
a long time. They're putting a lot of guys in that.
I'm not saying they're all great, but they were putting
them in the league. Chad Hitty, Brian Greasy, obviously, Tom Brady,
Drew Henson. They're putting some guys. I'm probably missing two
or three more. They were putting guys in the league quarterback.
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Then for some reason they just got about quarterback.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
If Michigan can spend ten million dollars on Bryce Underwood,
there would be a high level coach at you.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
No, no, no doubt, Rob g You yeah, what's your
push back? This pushback is that Michigan has gone. But
it's trash, right, Rob.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
What there's always some nuance to everything, But no, they're
all of fame or he sucks. There's no middle ground.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Not.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
All the way eractly, and everything you guys said is accurate,
all three of you about Michigan and what it means
they're and for all of those reasons, why I believe
that it is not that great of a job, Because
you have all of this tradition and all this nil money,
and everybody's always excited about Michigan. And you know, if
you win Ohio State, you know it's you're the best
thing to is lifes bread. But if you lose, then
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we got to get you up out of there. There's
a lot of there's a lot of pressure building around
the community. Michigan carries themselves like their Alabama, like their
Notre Dame, like their Ohio State, and they're not they
don't win.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, you're right, Notre Dame has it won Michigan.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
But you're talking about Michigan carries LIKEAAMA and Georgia of
the last two years.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yea.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
So here are the four you know, big jobs that
were available this past offseason. College football, Penn State, Michigan,
Well At Michigan, now LSU, and Florida. Since two thousand,
Penn State has won three Big Ten championships. Michigan has
won four Big Ten championships since two thousand. LSU has
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won three national championships, Michigan has won one. Florida since
two thousand has won two national championships. Michigan has won one.
You can get all the money, all the nil money,
all the pop and circumstance that comes with being the
big dog at Michigan. Somewhere else without having to deal
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with the pressure that comes from being at Michigan, you
can be Billy Napier in Florida, make a gang of
money of all the same access and not have to
worry about Hey, if I go eight and four and
I lose to Florida State, it's not the end of
the world. Michigan has his idea that they should be
in the mix every single year, and they're just not.
So why do you want to sign up for that
kind of outsize pressure?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I don't think Michigan. I think the dirty secret is
they don't expect it like that. I think they nine
and three they're quietly like, all right, we're good. And
again if every couple of years, every other year we
beat Michigan's or Ohio State, all right, And by the way,
what your what you just read was good. If you
just go back three more years, then they have too
like Florida. I mean, if you go from ninety seven
to now, they got to like Florida, you know what
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I mean, which they'll be behind LSU by one.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
So is it a better job than Penn State? Are
Is it a better job than Florida. Yes, is it
a Is it a better job than LSU?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Not now.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
No, here's the thing you if you say, if you
recruit LSU, if you just recruit the state of Louisiana,
you're gonna win ten games.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
That's the thing that Michigan doesn't happen, all right.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
They got enough players coming out of that state alone,
and they all want to play at home, you know,
like they're not trying to go somewhere.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
They don't have to go somewhere.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
That's that's to draw back of University Michigan is you
got to recruit Ohio, You got to recruit the South.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You can't just recruit the state of Michigan. But in
terms of the.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
Finances, the resources, and to the point, all you gotta
do is really truly beat Michigan State competing against Ohio State,
and if you drop a random game to Indiana in November,
everybody will be fine with it. Because the other dirty
secret is there's no chance a ten to two Michigan
is getting left out of anything in college football. That's
why I know the names so upset right now, because
they're just not supposed to get left out, all right,
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Michigan doesn't.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Sorry, Rob, Yep, It's all good, all right? Is It's simple.
It's Michigan football. It's simple. I got the texts. I
got it. It's Michigan football. A plum It's still a
plumb job.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
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Speaker 2 (16:46):
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How do Carpenter coming up?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Las Vegas Raiders beat reporter for SI Rob has some
issues some smoke for him coming up? Eight seven seven
ninety nine on Fox Simple question, is Michigan still a
great job? Is Michigan being the football coach still a
great job? Rob G says, nah Me and brob One
are the rare times we agree? Eight seven seven ninety
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nine on Fox. We got all right, chaplin Maddie in Denver.
You're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Chaplain, Maddie?
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Good evening, gentlemen, A covers off borsh of Wednesday to you,
my friend, no doubt. There you go a just a
vessel of the word. A full disclosure here. I am
a University of Iowa letterman. Okay, back in the eighties.
I have been to every big ten campus. I've attended,
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even the new ones, the ones that weren't welcome, but
we took you in anyway. You know, I've been to
all of them. My second favorite is ann Arbor.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, no, double bro.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
I mean, if you've never been to a football game
in the big House, well you've just never been to
a football game. So I but I do want to
say this as as a man of you know, someone's
got to do it. The story up there is no
longer a punch line. It's not funny. They're there. There
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are children involved in this. I mean, this man is
this man, is he well, God bless him. Yes, he
needs to put the shovel down.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
It's a lot, it's a lot going on. Thanks Chaplin, Mattie.
We appreciate you. I appreciate Chaplin.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Yah.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
And as more is unraveling, right, we're still trying to
figure out all the details.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
A lo uff. He's coming out of LeWitt. So we'll
keep you up there as we learn.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
But we're talking about Michigan, the job itself, and how
big it is, and whether or not it is a
primo job. Rob g of course, a Southern California UCLA slappy.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
They just told me he would take USC over Michigan.
I say UCLA, though I did not say that.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, yeah, what we were talking about in there? He said,
which would you rather have USC?
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Or nobody cares about? USC? Can get paid to do nothing?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
He wants that. He wants no expectations.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
I want either all the expectations or none at all.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Andre in Massachusetts, you're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
What's up, Drake? You doing?
Speaker 9 (20:39):
Thank thanks taking a call. As Billy Jean King once said,
pressure is a privilege, okay, and that's what you'll get
at Michigan. I do believe it's still a blue blood,
a plumb job, first of all, because you have history
to lean back on.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
You know, you.
Speaker 9 (20:52):
Mentioned the football championships going back to ninety seven to one.
But also let's give the SAB five some love.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
That was a thru error culture, cultural movement. And I
look at what coaches can do. How Nate Oates. I
know it's basketball, but I know how Nate Oates built
up the Alabama basketball program leaning on the football tradition,
so there's there's there's plenty to draw from there. But
it's a dangerous job, as you've noticed. If you can't
get past Ohio State for whatever reason, and they're going
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to be a juggernaut, they will get you up and
out of there. And so Harball was the correct man
for the job because you had the cachet, you had
the the name recognition. But even Harball, it took him
time to get over the top.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So it happened in order to get over the top.
But that's another story.
Speaker 9 (21:36):
Allege you okay, Rob to your point, Rich Brod didn't
work there. It can't just be you know, the coach
is previous who weren't big names and then couldn't beat
Ohio State, which you know, there's no shame in it.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
It's difficult.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
You'll fill all out and get the heck out of there.
So it has to be the right person, a Michigan man,
and then somebody with the as I said, the standing
to get to Beatlehouse State and go and go forward.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Thanks taking the appreciate you appreciate you, rodre Man. Happy
holidays to you all. Right on the way. Hondo Carpenter,
Las Vegas Raiders beat writer for a Sports Illustrated. We'll
talk to them in just a minute. Right now, Martin
Wis can get you set on what's trending, Hey, Martin.
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Speaker 1 (22:23):
And join right now by Hondo Carpenter, Las Vegas Raiders
beat writer for Sports Illustrated. Hondo Carpenter, X, what up?
How you doing?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Hondo?
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (22:32):
Great to be on with you guys. Rob Parker and
I've been friends for over two decades and when Rob calls,
I always answer. But it's a treat to be on
with you, brother. And I got to tell you Rob,
I'll kicked his coverage for co host.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You know what, I appreciate you giving to ky works
and then you know what I'm dealing with. You've been
dealing with it for twenty.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Years, over the years, and we go, we go with
you back, no doubt. Appreciate you and of course you
cover the Raiders a disaster this season. Pete Carrol's roast
cheer hondo. Let's start here before we get to the
column that you wrote. Just what's gone wrong here? There's
no way people thought this team would be this bad.
(23:11):
And it doesn't seem as if anything's working.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
No, And I can tell you a couple of things.
First of all, anyone that you know this, this is
an organization that's been fractured for decades, and it's an
organization that's been dysfunctional. It's an organization that hasn't operated well.
And I'm going to tell you, and you know, Rob,
you've known me for twenty years. You can vouch for
my integrity as a journalist. I'm not a Raider fan.
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But you know, Mark Davis is an owner that's willing
to spend any amount of money. He's paying tens of
millions to people who don't even work for him anymore.
And everybody wants an owner who will stay out of
the way and let things happen. But the problem is
is there's been a lot of bad advice. Is he's
learned how to be an owner. His dad didn't train him,
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like Jerry is trading his son in Dallas. And so
you know, there's been you know, there's been a learning curve.
But here's the problem. Pete Carroll is a great coach.
You can make an argument he's one of the top
five all time when you look at the fact of
what he did in college and what he did in
the pro and everywhere he has succeeded, and he has
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been elite. He's been allowed to steer the ship and
be true North. And for people who say, well, what
about the last you know, the last little bit in Seattle,
the organization was going through a shift and he was
no longer that voice. And so everywhere he hasn't been
in charge, they've not been successful. And everywhere he has,
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they'd have. So they brought him in and he has
not been the voice. He's not been the True North.
And so anyone who's shocked by that, I mean by
the results, well this is you know, they've they've not
been elite when he's not the boss. And the sad
part is is why in the world wouldn't he be.
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I mean it goes back to Antonio Pierce, who a
lot of people owe an apology to. You know, he
didn't want Luke Getzy, he didn't want all of the
staff he was handcuffed with, and then you know, Pete
Carroll gets Chip Kelly, who by the way, I want
to give Chip credit. You know, everybody's got bosses, and
but Chip Kelly came in and this was Chip Kelly's offense.
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Chip ran it. He may been the head coach, it
was Chip's office.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Okay, but here let me say this, Hondo and I
get your points.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
But if this team was what's their record? Now where
are we?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
So if they were eleven and two, no one would
be talking about that Pete has Pete. Pete wouldn't have
anything to do with this. This is about Chip Kelly.
This is about all the other people who are making
it the decisions right that we would not have that conversation.
Pete Carroll would get credit for what has happened. Now
here's my Beef'll tell.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
You why I disagree with you on that. I'm gonna
I'm gonna vehemently disagree.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Do you think that it'd be eleven in two in
his first two years and the talk would not be
about how great Pete Carroll was to turn his team.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Eleven in two. If they were eleven and two, I
would be talking about the tremendous job that Chip Kelly
is doing, he's running the offense.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Well, pould get credit? Hando, What a guy? What a resurgence?
Why is working for him? And not Bill?
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Bill?
Speaker 8 (26:18):
He would be getting a ton of credit.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Okay, Okay, I don't want to get too bogged down
with that. Yeah, because because I really want to get
to this.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
No, but wait a minute, wait a minute, because I
don't want to get over shouted. You brought me on
as a guest. I want to clarify something. I would
absolutely be giving Pete a ton of credit, and I
would be giving it to Chip though also I wouldn't
I wouldn't be there's blame here for everybody, and there
would also be credit.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
All right, here's the other part.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
So your column you wrote, and you weren't advocating for
Pete Carroll to be fired, even though I think that
he should be fired, even after a terrible first year,
just because everything to me is not right.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
But that's not what you advocated in the column.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
But you said, if the management and uh Davis decided
to make that Mark Davis decide to make a decision,
you would want to see the Raiders rehire John Gruden.
And I could not disagree more that John Gruden deserves
some other another opportunity with the Raiders. We already know
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the history of all the other stuff and the emails
or whatever, and people can dispute whether or not they
should have been released to what he wrote those emails
those were. He's not saying somebody wrote those emails. In
his account, he admits he wrote those. And the question
is it's not about the authenticity of it. Make your
(27:37):
cage for John Gruden, because I just don't see one.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
Okay, So let's go back, and I would tell you
this the first thing. If they decide to fire Pete,
and I don't think they should. I think they should
let him be in charge. But if they decide to
move on with Pete, then I think the next thing
that has to happen is Mark needs to sit down
with Tom Brady and say do you want to run
the franchise? And if tom Brady says no, and he
says yes, and he says, you got to be in
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the building. If you don't want to be in the building,
you're not going to run it, and then go do
the ultimate Raider thing. Go get a guy who's suing
the NFL and do something to rejuvenate your fan base.
Not all of them are going to be excited. But
you know what, if you're not going to do the
sensible thing, you fire everybody every year. If you're not
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going to finally say, okay, Pete, this has been your
track record. Tom doesn't want to run it or be
in the building, then you run it and we'll give
you your two years. But if you're going to keep
firing people every year, then you might as well do
a raider thing. Go get the guy who's suing the league.
Go get the guy that you know what. Okay, fine,
we're going to sue the league. We're gonna go be
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the bad guys again. Because here's the problem with with
what about the three?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well, what about the football Hondo?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Since he left Tampa Bay, he's twenty two and thirty one,
he hasn't won anything. And I get it, you might
like his commentary and he knows about quarterback act to
all the other stuff and his work.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
On television, radio and the whole point.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
But what I'm saying, why should he get another opportunity
he didn't do well?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
That that's my issue.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Okay, then let me just finish. Here's the whole point
is that I wouldn't make this move. But if you're
a dysfunctional organization that just fires everybody every year anyways,
then go do a Raider move because it won't work.
But this is what the organization has come down to.
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The Raiders have got to fix the get this this
organization on one page. They've got to get it going
in one direction. And if they're willing to do that's
why I say you start with Tom you want to
run it fantastic, then you would. I wouldn't hire Gruden.
I would go get the guy, a young coach that
they want, or maybe a Robert Sala and then do
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whatever you want to do. But if you're going to
continue to be dysfunction then it to act like the
Raiders of old. Because here's the biggest problem nobody's talking about.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Rob.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
When you and I were in Detroit, the fans there,
they were the lovable losers. They still showed up because
that was okay. This is a fan base that cut
its teeth with championships, and you sell them every year.
Just win baby, and you've got twenty years of mediocrity
and you have a whole generation now who's grown up
(30:28):
with you not winning. You got I mean, I've had
dad to email me their kids won't even go to
games with them. And so if you want to rejuvenate
a franchise that's becoming angry and apathetic, you go do
a raider move. Go do something that puts them in
fire in saying there's blood in our veins. The point is,
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I don't think Gruden's the answer either, but this organization
has to do something to get its identity back. And
if you're not gonna stick with a guy who's won
championships and the ros and championships in college, a guy
who comes with the track record in the resume of
Pete Carroll and let him run it, then just go
do something raider. But right now the organization doesn't have
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an identity. What would you guys say of it? It's
not just win, all right?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Well, yeah it ain't. It ain't winning, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It has been bad, and as you mentioned that, Detroit
usedhim lovable losers, they were able to turn it around.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
We're roll time here. I let y'all two talk. You know,
y'all have AaB.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I feel like I'm just listening to you two having
some beers on a holiday, some eggnog going on up.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
In there, not gonna jump in real quick. We got
a short time.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
One of the things you can start to consider, and
it sucks because you may have to do it.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
He's your best player.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
But do you consider trading Max Crosby start to get
some some you know, some assets, some younger people, maybe
lose some of the payroll. Do you is that something
you would consider because people have always said he's probably
tired of losing there.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
Well, I can tell you this. I have know Max
a long time. He loves being the raider. Raider. His
whole body is tatted with raiders up. I've known him
back since he was a freshman in college and he
wants to be there. But last year when he got
his new deal, it wasn't about money with him. He
is an elite football player. He is a unicorn and
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if he were on a better team, he would be
discussed as the best defender in the NFL. And what
I and what I would say to you is this,
It's not fair because Max isn't chasing the dollars. He
has tens of millions in business investments outside of the
NFL because he's tremendously intelligent, with his money. This is
not about money. He wants to win and the Raiders
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owe this to him. You have wasted seven years of
that man's career, and I'm going to ask you at
two and eleven this is this is not popular. This
guy shouldn't be playing anymore this year. If you're going
to keep him, can't risk him.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Appreciate love, Rob, Love you guys, no doubt, Thank you, Honda.
Happy holidays to you and the family.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Rob G.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I appreciate you. Next time you book him, just tell
me to stay home.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That's sorry. Let me tell you so.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
In nineteen eighty eight you said, yeah, well no, no, Rob, Rob.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You don't know what I shot you that? Okay, all right?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Was that the last call? No, the way y'all just talked,
I thought it was the last call. Can I get
you ready again? Let me get you it ain't, Rob G.
Best part about it on YouTube they get to see
Rob do this. Look at me, robb G pointing to me, Okay,
you get the next one. Hi, don't let me take
this hond on, let me put it.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I let it slide. That's your homeboy, Calvin. Don't you
see the blinking nungers? Get out this last call by
Yore You go all right? Last call? That was it?
But did we get another one? And we got another
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got Jamie in North Cacilaca.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
You're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio and you
are the last call.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
What's up, Jamil?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
What's it going on?
Speaker 9 (35:22):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
How are you? What's up?
Speaker 9 (35:24):
I'm all right, I'm like, I just want to stick
on the Raiders here. You know, I'm I'm twenty seven
and I've seen the.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Raiders be bad for twenty years.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
Twenty years now.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
I'm sorry, I've seen two many seasons, too many seasons
my whole life, right, And if they retained Pete Carroll,
but let go of AP.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
I just don't know what it's saying.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
There's a lot of people but but I but I do.
I don't think that Pete Carroll should keep his job.
But there is a difference between AP and him, Like
Pete Carroll has had success, like I'm not, so I'm
not let's not make him as one and one?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Could you could you acknowledge that?
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Well?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, but I think if you know what I'm saying,
you're still here going.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I'm not fine him, And maybe I'm saying maybe we're
building onto something like Pete Carroll is obviously potentially Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
You know. No, I'm just saying like they're not on
a part. They're not.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
But I think you'd say, I want to see if
we were building something.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I think I do.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I think a p that that it was a disastrous
first year, and it's a disastrous first year for Pete Carroll,
and I think you gotta be careful. I know people
want to give people years and go like, well, we
gotta wait and see, and sometimes it's worked out. And
for every Dan Campbell, there's ten other guys where they're
not good.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Understand but like you fail your way, look, well, it's
because it can't be win like not everybody go from
worse to first.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
What I didn't like about Adrian Peterson, I mean Antonio
Antonio Pierces, I'm sorry, ap.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
What I didn't like is that they didn't spread the net,
rob g. They didn't.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
They didn't of you other people like the players that
all we like him, and they they.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Never even met with Jim Harbaugh, even though he had
Raiders ties.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Remember him kind of the whispers of like that could
be something yet. But that's what bothered me about that hire.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
If you would have spread the net and gone down
and talked to a few people and you really believe.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
That, no matter what, that's how I got that's the guy.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Then I'm cool with that. That's what bothered me about this.
Pete Carroll, I didn't like to hire me than one
of us. Yeah, from Jump Street. And you're not gonna
have a future with Pete Carroll. He's seventy four. Like,
no matter what he gets started, a new culture is
gonna come in once he's done.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
And you just did me. You you'd have to. You
just had to start over. So he spent two or
three years with Peak Carroll. Say, so let me start
over for another two orre years caause you got to
build something. It's hard to just come right in and
turn things around unless you were fortunate enough to like
if somebody replaced John Harball and they walk right into Lamar, well,
well you can turn something around quickly.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
You got Lamar exactly. Yeah, So all right, what a
day it was?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Man?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
We thought we had a bunch of things we're gonna
talk about, and then uh, that dropped earlier, so we
have a stuff to get into tomorrow we couldn't today.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
All right, Enjoy the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon
is coming up next.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I never miss your radio show.
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I never hear it, so I never miss it. Did
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Speaker 2 (01:12):
A chair during your show.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
What I'm just saying is that like a four or
five reference. Again, yes, a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Everybody have a Bobby Night moment every now and again. Okay,
we just chuck a chair.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
But you chuck the chair, but usually you gotta win
some national championships first.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I'm just saying, uh, hey, coming out.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I'm getting it shaved right now. Come just scrap at
super Bowl coming up in about twenty seven minutes.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Hondo Carpenter, friend of mine who covers the Las Vegas Raiders,
beat writer for OU Side.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Do you know Hondo.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
He's from the Michigan state area. He was a sportscaster
up there. I gotta see him.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, matter of.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Fact, Darren Haynes from KCBS, Yeah, here in Los Angeles,
you're our bud. Uh he worked with Hondo. He knows
Hondo really working. Yeah, so he covers the Raiders. Interesting
interesting article that he wrote, and I need to take
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him the task.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So yes, give me, give me a headline of teaser.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
He talked about that he's not advocating that Pete Carroll
get fired, but the name he brought up as a replacement,
as a replacement, I have a major issue with, and
we can't wait to talk with right.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Look at you.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
How long have you been working in radio?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Let me see it. He didn't write it, and he
wants to take credit for that team.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
That was great. That was a really good one.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Rob, it's simple whatever, whatever one of his job. That's
my favorite thing. What my favorite thing is that nobody
else you.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Shout out to YouTube if you're in the radio on
my back, or check out the podcast or simulcast on YouTube.
My favorite thing is me and you yelling at each
other for fifteen minutes about whatever the subject is. It
is you're crazy, though, you're wrong, You're crazy, You're wrong,
all right, it's simple, rap ge g, it's simple.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
It's simple.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
And from radio listeners, I'm looking at my phone waiting,
pointing at rob text.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's simple, rob Gi, I need to get the text whatever.
That's my favorite part.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
No you're wrong. I'm trying to tell you. No, you
crack look whatever, all right, it's simple. Rob TV slow
on the on the text to sometimes Rob.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
G be slow. It's hilarious. She slow. Oh I'm crying.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
All right, I know my professor's at Columbia and Jayson.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Let's sometimes you gotta be it every now and again.
Just tell my daughter my wife getting man. Don't say that.
I'll say, hey, baby girl, throw me the remote. It's
not though, it's throw baby, I am, I speak on
news every day. Let me let me have let me
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Speaker 5 (04:12):
The remote anyway, go ahead, well before we get to
this next topic, because it is a heavy one. A
couple of youtubeians commenting the odd mob talking about what's
on the show just about the last hour, you know,
Stuart Scott conversation adging them Slash can't even say that
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That's another one. That's the.
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And then a big motion says contrary to popular belief,
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Said today, that's not what that's not because you would
be the person you I love all music.
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But the point was it was only that, it was
not that.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
That was the point you noticed doing sports talk rat
that the only one that they wanted to play with
sixties and seventies rock songs.
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That's it.
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So let me add when me and Marcella's were doing
a show, they came in and said, that's too blind.
I want to go that's just saying. I bet we
came back from breaking maybe shot up tomorrow at the time,
he'd be playing you maybe come back without cast and
you can see the boss at that time. Almost all right,
come on, that'side. But when other shows before us would
come back, Oh man, that Beatles? Who was better Rolling
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Stone or the Beatles and talk for ten minutes about
it was never a problem. But if we have an
outa get to the show, boy, you ain't never lie.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So I got what you're saying. Rob g knows what
I'm talking about.
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And last one before we get to the topic here,
Vince comments, do yourself a favor, do not listen to
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Okay, we're moving on.
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Speaker 2 (06:09):
We can't and into this conversation.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Nah, yeah, yeah, terrible timing. A big story of the day, guys,
obviously heavy there in Michigan, head football coach Charon Moore
has been fired with cause by the university after an
investigation show that he had an improper relationship with a
staff member. Details show coming out. You know, we're trying
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to get as much as we can. But a few
hours after that story came out, it was reported that
more was detained by police in Michigan and later it
turned over to a second area police department for doing
something he probably shouldn't have done. And that's all we're
gonna say. If we're still getting more information, and uh,
(06:54):
it's not looking good there in Michigan. But in order
to spend the conversation forward, because if you missed the
first conversation about the act itself and what that means
for the collegiate there, for the college in Michigan and
college in general, check out the podcast. You know, we
have it all up there in a minute. But moving forward. Now,
Michigan has an interim head football coach. Nobody really expects
him to get the full time gig. Who knows if
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they'll have a new head coach for this upcoming season,
but the plan is eventually, Michigan being Michigan, They're gonna
get a very, very prominent name at some point here
in the future, which here reads to the next question.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Michigan is one of the bigger brands in all of football,
not just in college but in football period. Big brand,
big expectations. The problem is they don't really win all
that big. They've only won two national championships since Moby
Dick was a guppy. So here's the question I ask you, guys.
(07:52):
Now that Shane Moore is out of town, they have
an interim coach, they'll be looking for the next hot
name here relatively quickly. Is the head football coach at
the University of Michigan still a plumb job in your opinion?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
And Kelvin as you know, being a columnist and TV
guy and radio guy in Detroit for twenty years, you
know I had two sides to Michigan because I always
thought that's so crazy, as big as Michigan football is
and the tradition and both sham Beckler as a statue,
he never even won a national championship, and he's revered
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in Michigan and it was still about the Big Ten
and beating Ohio State madd at Moore because they.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Didn't win national championships. They really didn't.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
And as much as I pushed back against that, I
will defend that Michigan is a blue blood and one
of the pieces of the fabric of college football, from
the winged helmet, to the big House, to all the
stuff that the amazing blue all the stuff that goes into it.
I don't think they won enough or you know what
I mean, or it should be celebrated, or the Alabama
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or some these other schools that have won a ton
of championships compared to Michigan. But I can't discount or
pool pool the Michigan football job or their tradition and
their place with the blue bloods of college football. I
do believe that Michigan is in the same conversation with
Alabama and USC and you know, and these kind of
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schools and Notre Dame and all that those are the
schools that are the fabric of college football.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I absolutely one thousand percent agree. A couple of reason
whyse we talked about Rob he doesn't think it's anything. Yeah,
we here side, it's craziness. We want to hear from
you though, though you're right that they didn't win a
bunch of national championships. But I think one thing we
disregard now because everything's about the BCS didn't turn college
football playoffs.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Winning a bowl used to be huge.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
The Rose Bowl was huge, like that was a massive deal.
Sugar Bowls were massive deals, you know, all these bowl games.
So for years, if Michigan would win and you win
the Big Ten and then you come over here and
you play the West Coast and you play USC, or
you some team in Washington and from the Pac twelve
and the Rose Ball, that was a big deal. So
to have that brand on a massive day when America
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everybody's watching college football and you're seeing that Maze and blue.
They're playing hell to the victors, you know what I mean.
And it's Michigan that created a huge, massive brand. Having
some Heisman Trophy winners as well, you know, Desmond Howard,
Charles Woodson, so that adds to the lure as well.
I absolutely believe it's a great gig. It's a great city.
Obviously bias some born and raised there.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
But for somebody from New York who didn't grow up
with college football, like I'm not you.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It's a great feel. It is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So I think as of the last twenty five thirty years,
you start to get more of the you know these up.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
A couple of schools that start to pop up.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Clemsons, Clemson's popped up over the last fifteen years or so.
You know, Florida State in the nineties, Miami and the
late eighties, in the nineties, but throughout those sixties, seventies,
eighties and even nineties, Michigan came a really big deal.
And I agree eight and four was kind of regular
when I was growing up there. Nine in three was okay,
you know I lost to Appalachi and stay, don't bring that.
(11:08):
Why you come on, man, why you gotta go there?
That wasn't Rich right there? Rich Rod Reagan. I no, no,
that wasn't Rich.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
That was Rich. I wasn't Rick Brady Hope. I mean,
uh Brat Brady. No, no, no, Before that, why am
I Martin?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Was that Lloyd That Lloyd Car? That was the beginning.
That was the end, the end beginning of d M
for Lloyd Car. When they lost that game, man, that
was crazy. I remember when Brady Holk was there. His
nickname was Brady Joe. Yeah, it was bad.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
It was bad for a little while there, But so
that is the dirty secret. I will agree that Michigan
hasn't won quite like your thought, but I still think
it's a powerhouse. And I still think it's a massive job,
a massive get, and a great opportunity.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The other thing about Michigan, like I it's one hundred
percent true.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
If you if you lost like Lloyd Carr, you lose
two games in Beatle House did every so often, they'll
build a statue for you.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
You're good to go.
Speaker 7 (11:57):
Same thing with for really being honests Jim har It
was ugly before COVID.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Remember Jim Harball too had to take a pay cut
at Michigan.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I remember vividly.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
But the thing about it is in this day and
age with nil money, yeah, Michigan in them. In terms
of what makes a competitive college football program today, in
a world where Indiana is the number one team in
the nation, there's no excuse. And honestly, like last year
was ridiculous that you miss a program like Michigan should
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have a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Now, I completely agree Jim Harball created that we don't
need a quarterback thing. We just run and play defense.
And now it because remember, Michigan was quarterback you for
a long time. They're putting a lot of guys in that.
I'm not saying they're all great, but they were putting
them in the league. Chad Hitty, Brian Greasy, obviously, Tom Brady,
Drew Henson. They're putting some guys. I'm probably missing two
or three more. They were putting guys in the league quarterback.
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Then for some reason they just got about quarterback.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
If Michigan can spend ten million dollars on Bryce Underwood,
there would be a high level coach at you.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
No, no, no doubt, Rob g You yeah, what's your
push back? This pushback is that Michigan has gone. But
it's trash, right, Rob.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
What there's always some nuance to everything, But no, they're
all of fame or he sucks. There's no middle ground.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Not.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
All the way eractly, and everything you guys said is accurate,
all three of you about Michigan and what it means
they're and for all of those reasons, why I believe
that it is not that great of a job, Because
you have all of this tradition and all this nil money,
and everybody's always excited about Michigan. And you know, if
you win Ohio State, you know it's you're the best
thing to is lifes bread. But if you lose, then
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we got to get you up out of there. There's
a lot of there's a lot of pressure building around
the community. Michigan carries themselves like their Alabama, like their
Notre Dame, like their Ohio State, and they're not they
don't win.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, you're right, Notre Dame has it won Michigan.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
But you're talking about Michigan carries LIKEAAMA and Georgia of
the last two years.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yea.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
So here are the four you know, big jobs that
were available this past offseason. College football, Penn State, Michigan,
Well At Michigan, now LSU, and Florida. Since two thousand,
Penn State has won three Big Ten championships. Michigan has
won four Big Ten championships since two thousand. LSU has
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won three national championships, Michigan has won one. Florida since
two thousand has won two national championships. Michigan has won one.
You can get all the money, all the nil money,
all the pop and circumstance that comes with being the
big dog at Michigan. Somewhere else without having to deal
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with the pressure that comes from being at Michigan, you
can be Billy Napier in Florida, make a gang of
money of all the same access and not have to
worry about Hey, if I go eight and four and
I lose to Florida State, it's not the end of
the world. Michigan has his idea that they should be
in the mix every single year, and they're just not.
So why do you want to sign up for that
kind of outsize pressure?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I don't think Michigan. I think the dirty secret is
they don't expect it like that. I think they nine
and three they're quietly like, all right, we're good. And
again if every couple of years, every other year we
beat Michigan's or Ohio State, all right, And by the way,
what your what you just read was good. If you
just go back three more years, then they have too
like Florida. I mean, if you go from ninety seven
to now, they got to like Florida, you know what
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I mean, which they'll be behind LSU by one.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
So is it a better job than Penn State? Are
Is it a better job than Florida. Yes, is it
a Is it a better job than LSU?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Not now.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
No, here's the thing you if you say, if you
recruit LSU, if you just recruit the state of Louisiana,
you're gonna win ten games.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
That's the thing that Michigan doesn't happen, all right.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
They got enough players coming out of that state alone,
and they all want to play at home, you know,
like they're not trying to go somewhere.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
They don't have to go somewhere.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
That's that's to draw back of University Michigan is you
got to recruit Ohio, You got to recruit the South.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
You can't just recruit the state of Michigan. But in
terms of the.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
Finances, the resources, and to the point, all you gotta
do is really truly beat Michigan State competing against Ohio State,
and if you drop a random game to Indiana in November,
everybody will be fine with it. Because the other dirty
secret is there's no chance a ten to two Michigan
is getting left out of anything in college football. That's
why I know the names so upset right now, because
they're just not supposed to get left out, all right,
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Michigan doesn't.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Sorry, Rob, Yep, It's all good, all right? Is It's simple.
It's Michigan football. It's simple. I got the texts. I
got it. It's Michigan football. A plum It's still a
plumb job.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
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Speaker 2 (16:46):
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How do Carpenter coming up?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Las Vegas Raiders beat reporter for SI Rob has some
issues some smoke for him coming up? Eight seven seven
ninety nine on Fox Simple question, is Michigan still a
great job? Is Michigan being the football coach still a
great job? Rob G says, nah Me and brob One
are the rare times we agree? Eight seven seven ninety
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nine on Fox. We got all right, chaplin Maddie in Denver.
You're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Chaplain, Maddie?
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Good evening, gentlemen, A covers off borsh of Wednesday to you,
my friend, no doubt. There you go a just a
vessel of the word. A full disclosure here. I am
a University of Iowa letterman. Okay, back in the eighties.
I have been to every big ten campus. I've attended,
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even the new ones, the ones that weren't welcome, but
we took you in anyway. You know, I've been to
all of them. My second favorite is ann Arbor.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, no, double bro.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
I mean, if you've never been to a football game
in the big House, well you've just never been to
a football game. So I but I do want to
say this as as a man of you know, someone's
got to do it. The story up there is no
longer a punch line. It's not funny. They're there. There
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are children involved in this. I mean, this man is
this man, is he well, God bless him. Yes, he
needs to put the shovel down.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
It's a lot, it's a lot going on. Thanks Chaplin, Mattie.
We appreciate you. I appreciate Chaplin.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Yah.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
And as more is unraveling, right, we're still trying to
figure out all the details.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
A lo uff. He's coming out of LeWitt. So we'll
keep you up there as we learn.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
But we're talking about Michigan, the job itself, and how
big it is, and whether or not it is a
primo job. Rob g of course, a Southern California UCLA slappy.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
They just told me he would take USC over Michigan.
I say UCLA, though I did not say that.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, yeah, what we were talking about in there? He said,
which would you rather have USC?
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Or nobody cares about? USC? Can get paid to do nothing?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
He wants that. He wants no expectations.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
I want either all the expectations or none at all.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Andre in Massachusetts, you're on the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
What's up, Drake? You doing?
Speaker 9 (20:39):
Thank thanks taking a call. As Billy Jean King once said,
pressure is a privilege, okay, and that's what you'll get
at Michigan. I do believe it's still a blue blood,
a plumb job, first of all, because you have history
to lean back on.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
You know, you.
Speaker 9 (20:52):
Mentioned the football championships going back to ninety seven to one.
But also let's give the SAB five some love.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
That was a thru error culture, cultural movement. And I
look at what coaches can do. How Nate Oates. I
know it's basketball, but I know how Nate Oates built
up the Alabama basketball program leaning on the football tradition,
so there's there's there's plenty to draw from there. But
it's a dangerous job, as you've noticed. If you can't
get past Ohio State for whatever reason, and they're going
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to be a juggernaut, they will get you up and
out of there. And so Harball was the correct man
for the job because you had the cachet, you had
the the name recognition. But even Harball, it took him
time to get over the top.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So it happened in order to get over the top.
But that's another story.
Speaker 9 (21:36):
Allege you okay, Rob to your point, Rich Brod didn't
work there. It can't just be you know, the coach
is previous who weren't big names and then couldn't beat
Ohio State, which you know, there's no shame in it.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
It's difficult.
Speaker 9 (21:48):
You'll fill all out and get the heck out of there.
So it has to be the right person, a Michigan man,
and then somebody with the as I said, the standing
to get to Beatlehouse State and go and go forward.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Thanks taking the appreciate you appreciate you, rodre Man. Happy
holidays to you all. Right on the way. Hondo Carpenter,
Las Vegas Raiders beat writer for a Sports Illustrated. We'll
talk to them in just a minute. Right now, Martin
Wis can get you set on what's trending, Hey, Martin.
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Speaker 1 (22:23):
And join right now by Hondo Carpenter, Las Vegas Raiders
beat writer for Sports Illustrated. Hondo Carpenter, X, what up?
How you doing?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Hondo?
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (22:32):
Great to be on with you guys. Rob Parker and
I've been friends for over two decades and when Rob calls,
I always answer. But it's a treat to be on
with you, brother. And I got to tell you Rob,
I'll kicked his coverage for co host.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You know what, I appreciate you giving to ky works
and then you know what I'm dealing with. You've been
dealing with it for twenty.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Years, over the years, and we go, we go with
you back, no doubt. Appreciate you and of course you
cover the Raiders a disaster this season. Pete Carrol's roast
cheer hondo. Let's start here before we get to the
column that you wrote. Just what's gone wrong here? There's
no way people thought this team would be this bad.
(23:11):
And it doesn't seem as if anything's working.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
No, And I can tell you a couple of things.
First of all, anyone that you know this, this is
an organization that's been fractured for decades, and it's an
organization that's been dysfunctional. It's an organization that hasn't operated well.
And I'm going to tell you, and you know, Rob,
you've known me for twenty years. You can vouch for
my integrity as a journalist. I'm not a Raider fan.
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But you know, Mark Davis is an owner that's willing
to spend any amount of money. He's paying tens of
millions to people who don't even work for him anymore.
And everybody wants an owner who will stay out of
the way and let things happen. But the problem is
is there's been a lot of bad advice. Is he's
learned how to be an owner. His dad didn't train him,
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like Jerry is trading his son in Dallas. And so
you know, there's been you know, there's been a learning curve.
But here's the problem. Pete Carroll is a great coach.
You can make an argument he's one of the top
five all time when you look at the fact of
what he did in college and what he did in
the pro and everywhere he has succeeded, and he has
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been elite. He's been allowed to steer the ship and
be true North. And for people who say, well, what
about the last you know, the last little bit in Seattle,
the organization was going through a shift and he was
no longer that voice. And so everywhere he hasn't been
in charge, they've not been successful. And everywhere he has,
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they'd have. So they brought him in and he has
not been the voice. He's not been the True North.
And so anyone who's shocked by that, I mean by
the results, well this is you know, they've they've not
been elite when he's not the boss. And the sad
part is is why in the world wouldn't he be.
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I mean it goes back to Antonio Pierce, who a
lot of people owe an apology to. You know, he
didn't want Luke Getzy, he didn't want all of the
staff he was handcuffed with, and then you know, Pete
Carroll gets Chip Kelly, who by the way, I want
to give Chip credit. You know, everybody's got bosses, and
but Chip Kelly came in and this was Chip Kelly's offense.
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Chip ran it. He may been the head coach, it
was Chip's office.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Okay, but here let me say this, Hondo and I
get your points.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
But if this team was what's their record? Now where
are we?
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
So if they were eleven and two, no one would
be talking about that Pete has Pete. Pete wouldn't have
anything to do with this. This is about Chip Kelly.
This is about all the other people who are making
it the decisions right that we would not have that conversation.
Pete Carroll would get credit for what has happened. Now
here's my Beef'll tell.
Speaker 8 (25:54):
You why I disagree with you on that. I'm gonna
I'm gonna vehemently disagree.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Do you think that it'd be eleven in two in
his first two years and the talk would not be
about how great Pete Carroll was to turn his team.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Eleven in two. If they were eleven and two, I
would be talking about the tremendous job that Chip Kelly
is doing, he's running the offense.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Well, pould get credit? Hando, What a guy? What a resurgence?
Why is working for him? And not Bill?
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Bill?
Speaker 8 (26:18):
He would be getting a ton of credit.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Okay, Okay, I don't want to get too bogged down
with that. Yeah, because because I really want to get
to this.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
No, but wait a minute, wait a minute, because I
don't want to get over shouted. You brought me on
as a guest. I want to clarify something. I would
absolutely be giving Pete a ton of credit, and I
would be giving it to Chip though also I wouldn't
I wouldn't be there's blame here for everybody, and there
would also be credit.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
All right, here's the other part.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
So your column you wrote, and you weren't advocating for
Pete Carroll to be fired, even though I think that
he should be fired, even after a terrible first year,
just because everything to me is not right.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
But that's not what you advocated in the column.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
But you said, if the management and uh Davis decided
to make that Mark Davis decide to make a decision,
you would want to see the Raiders rehire John Gruden.
And I could not disagree more that John Gruden deserves
some other another opportunity with the Raiders. We already know
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the history of all the other stuff and the emails
or whatever, and people can dispute whether or not they
should have been released to what he wrote those emails
those were. He's not saying somebody wrote those emails. In
his account, he admits he wrote those. And the question
is it's not about the authenticity of it. Make your
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cage for John Gruden, because I just don't see one.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
Okay, So let's go back, and I would tell you
this the first thing. If they decide to fire Pete,
and I don't think they should. I think they should
let him be in charge. But if they decide to
move on with Pete, then I think the next thing
that has to happen is Mark needs to sit down
with Tom Brady and say do you want to run
the franchise? And if tom Brady says no, and he
says yes, and he says, you got to be in
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the building. If you don't want to be in the building,
you're not going to run it, and then go do
the ultimate Raider thing. Go get a guy who's suing
the NFL and do something to rejuvenate your fan base.
Not all of them are going to be excited. But
you know what, if you're not going to do the
sensible thing, you fire everybody every year. If you're not
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going to finally say, okay, Pete, this has been your
track record. Tom doesn't want to run it or be
in the building, then you run it and we'll give
you your two years. But if you're going to keep
firing people every year, then you might as well do
a raider thing. Go get the guy who's suing the league.
Go get the guy that you know what. Okay, fine,
we're going to sue the league. We're gonna go be
(28:45):
the bad guys again. Because here's the problem with with
what about the three?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well, what about the football Hondo?
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Since he left Tampa Bay, he's twenty two and thirty one,
he hasn't won anything. And I get it, you might
like his commentary and he knows about quarterback act to
all the other stuff and his work.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
On television, radio and the whole point.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
But what I'm saying, why should he get another opportunity
he didn't do well?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
That that's my issue.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Okay, then let me just finish. Here's the whole point
is that I wouldn't make this move. But if you're
a dysfunctional organization that just fires everybody every year anyways,
then go do a Raider move because it won't work.
But this is what the organization has come down to.
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The Raiders have got to fix the get this this
organization on one page. They've got to get it going
in one direction. And if they're willing to do that's
why I say you start with Tom you want to
run it fantastic, then you would. I wouldn't hire Gruden.
I would go get the guy, a young coach that
they want, or maybe a Robert Sala and then do
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whatever you want to do. But if you're going to
continue to be dysfunction then it to act like the
Raiders of old. Because here's the biggest problem nobody's talking about.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Rob.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
When you and I were in Detroit, the fans there,
they were the lovable losers. They still showed up because
that was okay. This is a fan base that cut
its teeth with championships, and you sell them every year.
Just win baby, and you've got twenty years of mediocrity
and you have a whole generation now who's grown up
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with you not winning. You got I mean, I've had
dad to email me their kids won't even go to
games with them. And so if you want to rejuvenate
a franchise that's becoming angry and apathetic, you go do
a raider move. Go do something that puts them in
fire in saying there's blood in our veins. The point is,
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I don't think Gruden's the answer either, but this organization
has to do something to get its identity back. And
if you're not gonna stick with a guy who's won
championships and the ros and championships in college, a guy
who comes with the track record in the resume of
Pete Carroll and let him run it, then just go
do something raider. But right now the organization doesn't have
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an identity. What would you guys say of it? It's
not just win, all right?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Well, yeah it ain't. It ain't winning, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
It has been bad, and as you mentioned that, Detroit
usedhim lovable losers, they were able to turn it around.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
We're roll time here. I let y'all two talk. You know,
y'all have AaB.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
No.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I feel like I'm just listening to you two having
some beers on a holiday, some eggnog going on up.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
In there, not gonna jump in real quick. We got
a short time.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
One of the things you can start to consider, and
it sucks because you may have to do it.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
He's your best player.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
But do you consider trading Max Crosby start to get
some some you know, some assets, some younger people, maybe
lose some of the payroll. Do you is that something
you would consider because people have always said he's probably
tired of losing there.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
Well, I can tell you this. I have know Max
a long time. He loves being the raider. Raider. His
whole body is tatted with raiders up. I've known him
back since he was a freshman in college and he
wants to be there. But last year when he got
his new deal, it wasn't about money with him. He
is an elite football player. He is a unicorn and
(32:15):
if he were on a better team, he would be
discussed as the best defender in the NFL. And what
I and what I would say to you is this,
It's not fair because Max isn't chasing the dollars. He
has tens of millions in business investments outside of the
NFL because he's tremendously intelligent, with his money. This is
not about money. He wants to win and the Raiders
(32:38):
owe this to him. You have wasted seven years of
that man's career, and I'm going to ask you at
two and eleven this is this is not popular. This
guy shouldn't be playing anymore this year. If you're going
to keep him, can't risk him.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Appreciate love, Rob, Love you guys, no doubt, Thank you, Honda.
Happy holidays to you and the family.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Rob G.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I appreciate you. Next time you book him, just tell
me to stay home.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That's sorry. Let me tell you so.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
In nineteen eighty eight you said, yeah, well no, no, Rob, Rob.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
You don't know what I shot you that? Okay, all right?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Was that the last call? No, the way y'all just talked,
I thought it was the last call. Can I get
you ready again? Let me get you it ain't, Rob G.
Best part about it on YouTube they get to see
Rob do this. Look at me, robb G pointing to me, Okay,
you get the next one. Hi, don't let me take
this hond on, let me put it.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I let it slide. That's your homeboy, Calvin. Don't you
see the blinking nungers? Get out this last call by
Yore You go all right? Last call? That was it?
But did we get another one? And we got another
last seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Eighty seven seven ninety nine on Fox, Hit Your Boys Up,
Last Call a couple of Fox Worts Radio.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
It's last call time on the y odd couple. If
you had to take and couldn't get in the whole show,
where's your chit?
Speaker 6 (33:54):
You call?
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox, Hurry Up, Robin Kelvin,
Gotta get out of here. Fox Sports Radio has the
best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of
our shows at foxsports Radio dot com and within the
iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
One More Time for the Boys, A couple, Robin Kelvin
on a worship Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Pants tight Pants, tight Pants to Chicago, The Cargo.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
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Speaker 2 (34:48):
Calls, Last call, Last call.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Time on the ond color.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Aaron Rodgers had some beautiful balls. All right. Who we
got Jamie in North Cacilaca.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
You're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio and you
are the last call.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
What's up, Jamil?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
What's it going on?
Speaker 9 (35:22):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
How are you? What's up?
Speaker 9 (35:24):
I'm all right, I'm like, I just want to stick
on the Raiders here. You know, I'm I'm twenty seven
and I've seen the.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Raiders be bad for twenty years.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
Twenty years now.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
I'm sorry, I've seen two many seasons, too many seasons
my whole life, right, And if they retained Pete Carroll,
but let go of AP.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
I just don't know what it's saying.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
There's a lot of people but but I but I do.
I don't think that Pete Carroll should keep his job.
But there is a difference between AP and him, Like
Pete Carroll has had success, like I'm not, so I'm
not let's not make him as one and one?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Could you could you acknowledge that?
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Well?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, but I think if you know what I'm saying,
you're still here going.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I'm not fine him, And maybe I'm saying maybe we're
building onto something like Pete Carroll is obviously potentially Hall
of Famer.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
You know. No, I'm just saying like they're not on
a part. They're not.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
But I think you'd say, I want to see if
we were building something.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I think I do.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I think a p that that it was a disastrous
first year, and it's a disastrous first year for Pete Carroll,
and I think you gotta be careful. I know people
want to give people years and go like, well, we
gotta wait and see, and sometimes it's worked out. And
for every Dan Campbell, there's ten other guys where they're
not good.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Understand but like you fail your way, look, well, it's
because it can't be win like not everybody go from
worse to first.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
What I didn't like about Adrian Peterson, I mean Antonio
Antonio Pierces, I'm sorry, ap.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
What I didn't like is that they didn't spread the net,
rob g. They didn't.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
They didn't of you other people like the players that
all we like him, and they they.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
Never even met with Jim Harbaugh, even though he had
Raiders ties.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Remember him kind of the whispers of like that could
be something yet. But that's what bothered me about that hire.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
If you would have spread the net and gone down
and talked to a few people and you really believe.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
That, no matter what, that's how I got that's the guy.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Then I'm cool with that. That's what bothered me about this.
Pete Carroll, I didn't like to hire me than one
of us. Yeah, from Jump Street. And you're not gonna
have a future with Pete Carroll. He's seventy four. Like,
no matter what he gets started, a new culture is
gonna come in once he's done.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
And you just did me. You you'd have to. You
just had to start over. So he spent two or
three years with Peak Carroll. Say, so let me start
over for another two orre years caause you got to
build something. It's hard to just come right in and
turn things around unless you were fortunate enough to like
if somebody replaced John Harball and they walk right into Lamar, well,
well you can turn something around quickly.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
You got Lamar exactly. Yeah, So all right, what a
day it was?
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Man?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
We thought we had a bunch of things we're gonna
talk about, and then uh, that dropped earlier, so we
have a stuff to get into tomorrow we couldn't today.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
All right, Enjoy the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon
is coming up next.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I never miss your radio show.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I never hear it, so I never miss it. Did
you hear that?
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