February 23, 2024 • 42 mins
Chris Broussard and Rob Parker talk about Nick Saban's NIL comments and why it isn't good for the NCAA.
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Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
At the bottom of the hour, we got a good friend,
Sean King, former NFL quarterback, will join the show.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
And look he has been a guy.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That's been incredibly accurate when talking about a lot of quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Oh no, definitely, I saw Sean. He had an event
Chris during the Super Bowl. So I spent some time. Yeah, yeah,
so Sean, and he has a knock for it.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
He knows he was a.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Quarterback and yeah, he knows it. And they were close
to getting the Super Bowl. He was a quarterback with
Tony Dungee's team. Chris, they just couldn't they just couldn't
get over the hump.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
They had a great team.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
That's a team that wound up winning the Super Bowl
right right after that. But he was a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But he Rob, he's out on it. I told him
too when I asked him to come on the show.
He's out on an island because he is saying, Rob
that the Bears.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Should keep justin field wow and not draft capable.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
So I said, well, you out on an island, you're
gonna he said, I'll convince you when I come on
the show.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So we will.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
I think he's on Gilligan's Island. I'm not. Yeah, he
might be.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
He might be with that one, but we'll see. What'll
let him explain himself and see what he's talking about.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Let's go to college football. And Nick Saban, who we know,
just retired, and I don't like what's going on, Yeah, yeah, no,
he I mean, he obviously had accomplished about everything he
wanted to.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
But yeah, I think and Rob, we just saw.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Was it a coach from USC who I think U
c l A U c l A turned down an
offensive coordinator job in college to go be a running
backs coach you're talking about, But there was a coach
recently who turned down an O C job in college
to go will be just a running backs coach with
(03:01):
Jim Harbaugh with the Chargers. And a lot of these guys,
Rob are talking about how they just don't like the
new landscape of college football.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Kelly right when U see LA, Yeah, Chip chips.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Coach job right to just be an assistant in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But they're complaining they don't like the new landscape, the
NIL to wild West, the transfer portal and all that.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Here's what Saban said.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
He said a lot, but I'll just read this one
quote and then we want to hear what you think
about this, Rob. He says, if my voice can bring
about some meaningful change, I want to help any way
I can because I love the players and I love
college football. What we have now is not college football,
not college football as we know it. You hear somebody
(03:51):
use the word student athlete that doesn't exist. So he
says a little more, But what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Rob?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
I think Nick Saban is the biggest hip kit going
because it hasn't been college football, Chris, in a long time.
With all the money that the schools make off of it,
and the travel and all the other stuff they ask
the kids to do.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
It's a full.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Time job playing major college football. You can say whatever
you want. They haven't been student athletes in a long time.
Chris and Nick Saban never turned down the money and said,
you know what, I want to play. What's the top
scale for a professor at the university, Chris. That's what
he should be making, right, the top scale. This guy
(04:34):
kill me with that. It's hypocrisy. What he doesn't like,
Chris is simple. What he didn't like and why he
wanted to quit is he doesn't have those scholarships in
that control in their back pocket. The college coaches could
walk out on the kids on the drop of a dime, Chris,
right before the bowl game, right because they got a
(04:54):
new job.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And now the.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Kids could walk out when they're mistreated or they're not
being played or their futures aren't in play, Chris, don't.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
I don't get it. And you know what, Yes, it
is the wild wild West.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
When they when the people left the East coast and
went out to west, Chris and covered wagons that try
to settle new worlds.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It was the wild.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
West, and you had to figure it out. Guess what.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
It became a piece of the United States, and everything
else worked out in time.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Nothing that's going up. You're changing the system.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
You think it's supposed to be all buttoned up, Chris,
in a year or two. It can't be buttoned up
in a year or two. It will work itself out
and always does. This is new for everybody. But to
stimy the kids and try to go back to where
I'm sorry, the toothpastes out of the two.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
And he's saying now he maybe's just saying this, but
he did say he don't he don't mind the players
getting paid.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
He just thinks the way it's being done is off.
But go ahead.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Yeah, I'm just I can't get with it, Chris. Those
kids were taking advantage of for a long time. We
live in a free market system and the same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
What is that?
Speaker 5 (06:10):
What is the name of the of the video video
game company e A is EA Sports A Sports Chris.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
You see what they're offering the kids for the video
game likeness? Did you see that?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Now?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Know what?
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Six hundred dollars Chris and a free game?
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Now, yeah, that's what That's what the offer is for
them to sign up six hundred dollars athletes.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
Yes, college football?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
What did they think? Why do they think they gonna
get players with that? Is gonna get so much more money.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Elsewhere, but six hundred Like, think about how many millions
they make, Chris, And they want the kids to sign
over their rights for six hundred dollars in a game.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Now, look, we all know that college football has been
pro football for a long time, A long time, all right.
There's no ifsands or butts about it. And so we
both have been on the record as saying the players
should get paid. So I and if Saban wants to
(07:15):
turn that clock back, then he's sorely mistaken. But I'm
not sure that's what he wants. But they do need
to fix the way it's done because Rob, it's like
we talked about it with basketball, we don't know there's
no continuity from year to year, we don't know what
players are playing, We don't know what teams who their
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top players are from year to year.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So now college basketball has.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Really declined in popularity and all people really care about
is the March madness.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And that's just because of the gambling.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And so if football continues where guys are transferring all
the time and all of that stuff, then.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
It could see a decline.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So I do think they need to fix it, but
they just gotta find the right way. And look, part
of the problem, Rob is that the n C Double
A has been so stingy and greedy because.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
The n C Double A, ROB didn't fix it. They're
not giving up an They're not giving the kids money.
This is what I'm trying to say. It is like
you are guys. Refuse to cut the players in. They're
the product. You won't even cut them in.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Remember a few years ago when the players from Northwestern tried.
If they had done something like that or made a
compromise and the n C Double A played ball, then
you wouldn't have the quote unquote wild wild West right
now because right because they wouldn't play ball. Now you
(08:50):
got the n I L deals and it's every man
for himself and these corporations and obviously you have you know, collectives.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
That's the schools.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Trying to, you know, make sure they can still get
the best kids. But they need to figure.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Something out, rob and I don't have all the answers
to it.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I like that the kids can get paid, but I
do think and you need the kids should have some
form of freedom because they decide to go to a
college based on the head coach in many cases, and
then he can leave and now they're stuck. So but
they need to get some of that under control. But
(09:30):
really the pay I don't know if it's you know
I've talked about. I think eventually it's heading to where
they have it's more like an NFL system, and they've
got whether it's two big conferences and then divisions within
those like the NFL has or four conferences, and then
a playoff system. Right, we know we're going to twelve teams.
(09:52):
There was talk now about fourteen teams. Who has fourteen
teams the NFL? You know what I mean, Like you
have your top fifth, these sixty schools, whatever the realistic
number of those that have a chance to win it,
or at least you know are Power five teams and
the top teams in the country, those fifty or sixty
are at the top level, and they're divided into conferences
(10:15):
and then a certain number make the playoffs. That's how
it should be done. And then Rob, do they you know,
do they? It would take an independent You would need
an independent committee, Rob to be a part of this,
because I wouldn't trust the NC Double A, you know,
I would not trust them to handle the money and
(10:35):
divvy out what they really I'm with you, I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Because there'll be some monkey business. Absolutely, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
The challenge is this.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Let's say that that happened, there was an independent committee
and all the money that you know it can it's
given to the NC Double A or the schools or
whatever this committee and then divvied out fairly among the
top players and the top.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Schools and all of that. Rob, you and I know this.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
They're probably still would be the boosters coming along from
Alabama or LSU or whatever school they're trying to get
the kids to. That would give them a little more,
am I right?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Right?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
So don't just jump on the kids when it's these
adults doing a lot of the dirty work.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
So I'm with you and and their history, Chris is
not a good one for us to believe that there
would be real change.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Why would we believe that?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, and again I think it boils down to if
they were above board and really want to be fair
with the kids, then they wouldn't have this wild wild
West situation that they have now. And maybe this will
wake them up and they will be fair. But until
then it's gonna be. It might get chaotic. It already
(12:05):
is to some degree, all right, eight seven, seven ninety
nine on Fox. What are your thoughts some coaches leaving
college football because they say it's too crazy out there?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
How do you get it under control?
Speaker 7 (12:19):
It?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Does it even need to be brought under control? What
are your thoughts on NIL the portal and what it
is doing to college football?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
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eight seven seven ninety nine. On a Fox, you're turned
the way in on Nick Saban, but more so the
nil and college football and where things could be headed
your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (14:37):
All right, Chris, let's kick it off with Rodney in Philly.
You're on the odd couple Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
What's up? Rodney?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Y'all?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Goes up?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Man? No much?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Nick Saban coming out making that statement acting like there's
a bunch of money to be thrown around in college football,
like there is no like the money thrown around to.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
The coaches, like these students saw the student and he saw.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
That, and they took the opportunity to get their opportunity.
So I don't know why he was come out and
say like there needs to be changes just because he
lost control, Like whoa, there's money for athletes to be made,
and then they just got smart enough to see, hey,
we have an opportunity here and they're taking advantage of this.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
If we came up with a plan to say, all
these coaches making ten million dollars, let's take your money,
put it in a pool, you guys only making million
dollars a year, and will spread it amongst the kids.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
You think they go for.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
That, or they ain't trying to hear that, Chris, You
know they ain't trying to hear that.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
They trying to hear that.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
No, because one of the things I've always said was
Nick Savin made what about eight eight million dollars a year?
He can pay scholarship with majority of its.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Out right, he could, of course, and look and nobody's
saying he can't make money. But these players, they had
been they had a great situation.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Robs.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
All the adults got paid up and he's eighteen.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
To twenty one year olds got nothing.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
And Chris, if you took a pizza from somebody, you
remember they were getting people throwing people out of school,
you would lose your scholarship or you can't play. Could
you took a pizza or or a coach bought an
airline ticket for you to go to your grandmother's funeral?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
Yeah, it was disgraceful, disgraceful.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Thanks well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I appreciate it, all right, Roddie, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
What about Chili Tim in Atlanta? You're in the couple
of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Tim?
Speaker 9 (16:32):
What whatever you're gonna play? Man, make it counchy. In
the words of James Brown.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Baby, that's right, right about that? Brother.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Hey, hey, James Brown, come on, you know what. I
got to see him later on in life playing Vegas,
and I'm telling you he was an old man at
this point. You know, he changed about eighteen times during
the show. I mean, yeah, he was unbelievable with the
capes and all that. Chris, it was amazing, Thank God
(17:00):
out to see him. I think he died after that.
Speaker 9 (17:02):
But three points, I like real quick. Nick Saban First
of all, his part of his problem is is like
he didn't care about all this when there was no
parody of football, when Alabama was getting a players, and
he can hold off to him. But now that these
kids fa you know, they're like, hey, you know what,
I can go play somewhere else, get money. I can
still get drafted. I can still be seeing them at
(17:22):
a way I play it. So now you know, he
can't dominate like he used to, and he can't hold
onto these top players. So I think that's the first point.
I think he's number two. If he's mad with anybody,
be mad with the school president of your university in
the NCAA, because they're the ones, like you said, they're
still not giving up any money. They're getting all the
(17:43):
money they're making every year, so right.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
And the TV money is so big, I mean, for real,
it's so big, man. And if they took that TV
money away, they probably closed down these football programs.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
I'm that serious.
Speaker 9 (17:58):
Every thing is is run like it's like a big
Ponzi scheme. It's the biggest Ponzi scheme going, man, where
everybody at the top makes all the money, the people
at the body work like slaves. And they tell you
on one day you could get here knowing that you're
never gonna get there. And that's what it is. It's
the same concept.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
It's just the scheme.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
No, no doubt, man, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Absolutely crazy. Chris eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox.
If you do want to get in, you know it'll
it'll work itself out, Chris, in time. You know what
I mean, it would there because we worked out.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Like I said, this could force the NCAA to do
get closer to doing the right thing, do.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
The right thing. If you want to monitor it, let
the money come from you. Let the money come from you.
But you won't do that.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yep, no no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
All right, Like we said, we're gonna get to our
man Sean King who is Lennon Island saying the bear
should keep justin fields and not draft.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Is he the skip? Roy Gilligan. I just want to know, Steve,
this Sagan.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Everything's not with the update. Steve.
Speaker 10 (19:13):
Everybody heard the joke and said, don't talk into this.
You know how the whole nil thing started is Ed
O'Bannon was the superstar UCLA hoops and MVP of the
Final four mid nineties, and he winds up going over
to somebody's house and seeing him playing an EA Sports
game and said, wait a minute, that's me game.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
No right, and that was it.
Speaker 10 (19:31):
That's not just a guy, that's my number and name
on the uniform. I'm not getting anything from this.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
It was unbelievable how brazen they were. I'm dead serious.
And then they started saying, well, that's just not that's
not you.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
You know what I mean. They we try to do that.
Speaker 10 (19:47):
Well, the USC student store is selling jerseys of number five,
but it's not right just because you don't put the
names on the back of the jerseys. Honestly, this was
the whole, the most black and white thing of the
whole issue to me. Whether you want them to be
employees or something that's something more and separate, but this
to actually steal their name, image and.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Likeness, make money off of it, and then look at
them like they're crazy right that they're like, where's where's
my card?
Speaker 10 (20:16):
You mentioned the offer of EA college football coming back.
There's an EA Sports guy who said, in the first
twelve hours, we had more than five thousand college athletes
opt in and take the cash.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, look, I think doesn't be the only thing they take.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I mean as far as from other companies.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
But Chris right, they're going to make so much that
that's a drop in a bucket. Whoever, their representation is
crazy to settle on five six hundred dollars.
Speaker 10 (20:42):
And then when the athletes thos yes, they get sent
a link and say, hey, post this. They so like
Travis Hunter Colorado, the guy that plays offense and defense.
He tweets out in the last twenty four hours the
EA logo and his name and number and I'm in
the game and all of that, And that's what they want,
all of.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
These things that's worth to six hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 10 (21:03):
The big news today a federal judge in Tennessee granted
a preliminary injunction that prohibits the NCAA from enforcing its
own rules against pay for play and recruiting, so effective immediately,
NIL collectives can negotiate deals with recruits without any fear
of NCAA sanctions. And I love what. Stuart mandelis covered
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college sports for many years. He pointed out in The Athletic,
you know what my first reaction is, this renders the
entire plot of the movie Blue Chips obsolete. So was
Nick Nolty's playing this college hoops coach like Bob Knight,
and he starts paying the players under you know, Shaquille
O'Neal and all these guys under the table, and there's
an investigation. The writer says, I bring this up because
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back in nineteen ninety four, even a non hoops fan
walking into their local movie theater is aware at the
time that when you pay a high school recruits that
was some sort of cardinal sin. And so the assumption
was so ingrained in the public back in the nineties,
an entire film could be based around an NCAA violation
without even having to explain why it's a violation. It
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was just part of the landscape.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
And nobody throwt anything else.
Speaker 10 (22:13):
Nose certainly not certain.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
How many kids had their reputations like tainted, as if they.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Were the ones really doing the wrong. And I get
it. It was it was, you know, breaking.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
The rules, but the rules were religious, right, The rules
were terrible.
Speaker 10 (22:29):
To the NBA scoreboard, and Cleveland's still down by a
bit early fourth quarter at Philadelphia Philly seventy eight seventy
two in the lead. Donovan Mitchell of the Cavs out
again due to illness. Raptors lead with eight minutes to go,
one oh seven, one hundred at Atlanta. Pelicans do not
have brandon Ingram again tonight due to illness, and Miami
leads at New Orleans in the third sixty nine sixty four,
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nineteen points. For Jimmy Butler, it's going to be another
Oklahoma City when it looks like tonight, not even mid
third quarter, eighty nine sixty seven thunder ahead of the Wizards,
whose record would fall to nine and nine and forty seven.
He said out loud. Grizzlies are leading the Clippers sixty
eight sixty five mid third, and it's the Rockets ahead
of the Suns now in the third, sixty seven fifty nine.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Back to you, all.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Right, Steve, Hey, have a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
S yes, absolutely, absolutely all right.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
It is the odd couple Chris and rober What are
you doing this weekend, Roberts, We wait, we will.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
On Chris King for the first time in a while.
Absolutely nothing. I actually have a free weekend. I'll be
at home. I just don't have any plans. And then
the following weekend I'm going to spring training in Arizona.
So I'm gonna go see the Dodgers and the Brewers,
you know what I mean on those two days next
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to next two weekend days.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
But nothing. All is good.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah, I'm going to in the morning, I'm flying to
South Carolina speaking at an event in Columbia.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Okay, and you are you going? When are you going
to Cleveland? When is your in Cleveland?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
That's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
That's in March and marking summit March fourteenth through the seventeen.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Oh, you got any time to go to the Cavs
game or you don't your schedule jamb I'll be jammed, Okay, yeah, okay, yeah,
I don't even know why.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You know who they're playing that weekend.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
No, it's just that my buddy Bobby, who works for them,
he was just saying, I was going to, you know,
extend the invite to you if you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Go by Yeah, I yeah, I'm probably gonna be. That's
pretty full.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Yeah, how many people coming? Do you have an idea?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yet?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Last year we had we have several hundred. We're hoping
to get more more than that. Are most ever, we
had six hundred last that's a lot to the country men. Yeah,
so we're hoping to get close to a thousand, if
not more so. Yeah, if you want to come out Cleveland, Ohio,
the King Movement Men's National Summit, great speakers workshops.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
On finance, basketball race.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
There's basketball tournament five or five basketball tournament. Winning team
gets four thousand dollar, runner up gets a thousand. So
it's it's a lot of money on the line. There's
gonna be some hip hop so yeah, Large fourteen through
the seventeenth. You can register at King Summit dot org,
Ksummit dot org.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
I heard that Shack might show up Chris with the
four thousand dollars pot there.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
No, you know I played against Shaq. Did you're really
in the game, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I was at an event at his house in Miami
and he had was in Orlando.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
He lived.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
He had a full court. It was like the Miami
Heats floor in his house.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Full court.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, And so we were playing. There was a bunch
of people there playing and he was on the man.
He blocked one of my shots like about fifty feet surprising.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
To knock your cheek out with it, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Like then he did shock see if Shaq were coming
up today, right, we know you remember how athletic he was,
and he was thinner. He wasn't ever like skinny, at
least not as a pro, but he was a lot thinner.
Early on, Shaq would be able to do all that stuff.
Yan he busted out, I get it, I'm I'm I'm
(26:08):
just a journalist. But he busted a three for the
game winner in my face. Wow, and so he you know,
Shaq had some skills, but he look, Shaq was smart.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Rob He was like, yeah, I could shoot a little, but.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
You can't stop me here, right?
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Why would you go away from something that's automatic?
Speaker 6 (26:27):
It doesn't make sense. You should do something? No, do
what until you stop me?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Right?
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Why would I stop?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Like like we always talked about Kareem in the hook shop,
why would you do anything else? Course, you can't stop it,
can't block it, you can't stop it.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
And I and I scored very easily with it.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yep, you gotta stop me before I go to something
something else, Make me go to something else. So we're
waiting on sharp rock. Maybe he got cold feet. He
started looking at that sweet he put out and like,
you know, what do I really want? To say they
should go after Justin Fields instead of.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Let me texting anymore?
Speaker 6 (27:05):
See what? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Where is he? Maybe I don't think I gave Patrick
the wrong numbers.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Okay, but but let let's throw out the number Chris
eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Eight seven seven nine six sixty three sixty nine. Let's
let them weigh in on Justin Fields or Kayleb Willis. Yeah,
we think the Bears should do as we wait.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Because Chris and I, I think we're in lockstep on this, right,
Like Cayleb Williams would have to prove that to me
that he can't play. I just I am not as
the Bears organization, Chris gonna pass. And going into this season,
it was up and down on fields, right, like you're like, well,
(27:47):
we gotta wait and see and what happens and this
and that, and they got off to a bad start
and then when the season was over, they play better.
And I'm not saying he can't play, right, but I'm
not going to as a franchise I'm not a franchise
quarterback since Sid Luckman, I'm just going for real right.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Right.
Speaker 11 (28:10):
But that but Chris, that that's who else they don't
have anybody that he's the last great quarterback. They won
it with Jim McMahon, but he wasn't a great quarterback there,
unbel and the defense was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Absolutely, Yeah, I think Rob, I'm with you. We are
in lockstep on this, justin I'm not out on him.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
I'm not either.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
But we don't know, Like anybody wants to sit here
and say they know it.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Maybe Sean will if we get him that they know
he's going to be great.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Because most of his highlights, Rob are running and there's
a place for that, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, so on
and so forth. But Rob, he's already done three years
of running. Now you don't run forever, Lamar, and some
of it's by choice. But Rob, he doesn't run like
(29:01):
he used to. He's still great, but he doesn't run yet.
So there's a miscommunication, uh because Shawn's saying, uh that
he's ready, but he didn't get called.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Yeah, hold on, all right, we got the number.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, we may have to get him in the next segment.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
All right, let's let's just let's Chris, let's break and
then get him and then you know what I mean,
come back.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, but let me finish that ahead, because Rob like.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
The more as you get older, your running is not
going to be as effective. Lamar is still a great runner,
but he doesn't run like he used to, and he
should run more, but he still probably couldn't run like
he used to. Right, And and so John, Justin already's
got three years of wearing tarror, and I get it,
he's still very young. But I'm just saying, like, you
(29:55):
start the financial clock over again with Caleb. I like Justin,
and I think you. I think he will be good somewhere.
I don't know for sure, but I would go ahead
and get Caleb William to start all over. But we
will get Sean King around the corner after this break.
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(30:43):
DJ Alex Tyser had the audacity to challenge me.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Like I don't know this. Oh no, man, come on,
this is uh I noticed on.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Can we leave? Let's say we're people.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Oh my god, this is confunction right, look at you
to see confunction on.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
The jam conjunction.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
John all right, Sean, I know our next guest know
that we lie from the tiereck dot Com studios.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Sean King, Sean, what's up, brother?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I like the jails man, yo were flashed back?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Sean absolutely, absolutely, all right. Let's get right to it. Sean.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I'm just looking at your Twitter and I see this
at the top and you pinned it. You proud of it? Yes,
and it's from November, so you got them read it.
And then let me say there's path to twenty twenty
four success one. Extend justin Fields two, draft o loop
(31:54):
for Seanu visits all in twenty twenty four, Move twenty
twenty three, darn darn right inside the guard three, upgrade
wide receiver room outside of DJ Moore through free agency
Mike Evans, Calvin Ridley, Tyler Board, etc. And therefore acquire
Josh Jacobs as running back. The first one is what
(32:16):
everybody's looking at. Extend justin fields. So are you It
seems like you would keep Justin Fields if you're the
Bears and pass on drafting Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I think if you look at what Justin Fhilds has done,
I mean, he's shown elite ability and he's done at
the NFL level. He's proven he can make every throw.
He's proven that he's one of the most dynamic talents
at quarterback in the National Football League. The one thing
we don't know about Justin Phils is how good he
could be if he was surrounded by the same caliber
(32:50):
of talent. And the only thing I would change from
that tweet is now I think trading the first pick
makes more sense than drafting uh for Sino because Darnel
Wright played exceptionally well as a rookie, and the hall
you can get, you think what they got last year.
They swapped ones with the Panthers, added a second round pick,
(33:14):
added a first this year and a second next year,
so they'll get even more for whoever wants to trade
up for cayleb Because Caleb Williams is going to grade
out higher than Bryce Young. I mean, you can change
the entire dynamic of your organization by trading that pick.
And I just I just am a person that does
it think Caleb Williams is better than Justin Fields.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
All right, and you're mostly on the island by yourself.
And my big question for you is are you to
skip or a Gilligan? Because I'm sorry, the Chicago Bears
haven't had a franchise quarterback in many many moons, okay,
like Sid Sid Luckman, Okay.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
And and you're.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Going to pass.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
You're going to pass on a guy who you're saying,
when when the season was on the line didn't play
that well, and then when the season was kind of
over played better and there's a question mark, and you're
you're gonna pass on a guy who could potentially be
a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
I can't do it, Sean.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
I need Caleb Williams to prove to me that he
can't play.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
I can't do it.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Well, here's what I would saying. I'm not trying to
diminish Cayleb Williams. I'm not one of those guys because
I think Justin Fields is good has the thing that
Caleb Williams isn't. But what I'm saying is if you,
let's say they trade Justin what are they gonna get
for justin you know, with his contract, you know, basically
gonna need to be extended to whoever he's traded to.
It gonna get a third, you know, maybe a conditional second.
(34:42):
So now you and they don't have a second round
pick this year because they gave it up for Sweat,
who they traded for from the commander. So let's say
you take Caleb at one. You're gonna try him out
there with Shawn Johnson and Dj Moore and the rest
of that group next year and think he's gonna turn
one of the wine and a division that is getting
really good. Look at what the Lions are at. Look
(35:02):
at how good the Packers looked in Minnesota. If cousin
state healthy, you know, who knows what happens. So that
division is a lot better than it used to be.
And I just don't think whoever the quarterback is in Chicago,
with the way the rest of that personnel looks, is
going to be able to turn them into a winner.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
You mean, like when Joe Burrow went to Cincinnati and
everybody told him not to go there because you know
that organization is bad and they can't win.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Yeah, But they got Jamar Chase t Higgins and Kyler
Boyce their third receiver, and Joe Mixons there running back.
So Jamar Chase is better than DJ Moore.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
No, but I'm just saying people were telling them not
to go there.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Like DJ Stroud turned around.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Yeap Houston in one year. Well it's doable.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Lovely Smith doesn't get enough credit for how competitive and
how close Houston was. Now Dimico's come in and you know,
nothing needs to be saying. But I mean what, I'm
drawing a blank on on his number twelve for the Texas,
I'm joining a blank on the young kid, Nico Collins.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I mean, del both pretty Tank Dell.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
I mean they got you know, they had talent there.
You know, they were a very competitive team the year
before under Lovey they lost a lot of close games.
So I think they're ahead of where Chicago was. So
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Let me ask you this about Justin Like what because
I think most of his highlights He's had a few
nice throws here and there, but most of his highlights
are running the football and his passing numbers, as you know,
aren't spectacular. So what is it that makes you think
he can be a great passion.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Well, We've seen him do it at Ohio State when
he was surrounded by leak talent. Well we haven't seen
in Chicago. Is him have a fair playing field? You
know they before they had DJ Moore, who was he
throwing to guys? And I'm not trying to diminish the
skilled players in Chicago. I'm saying when you compare them
to just compare them to the division. I mean Jared
Goffers throwing the armon Saint Brown, Sam La Porter, He's
(37:02):
handed off to David Montgomery, who Chicago didn't want for
some reason. And uh, the rookie from Alabama. You know,
you look at Jordan Love. I mean all those young, talented,
skilled guys they have. I mean, you go to Minnesota,
you got Justin Jefferson. I mean everybody else in the
division is more talented at the skill positions on offense
than Chicago, and that matters. I mean there's only one
(37:25):
quarterback who doesn't see the matter what you put around
and he wins. He'll finds a way. And that's my
homes And their defense was elite this year.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
So what let me ask you, what do you think
Cayleb Williams is going.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
To be good look, because when I when I evaluate
college players, I look at what are repeatable behaviors? What
are skills that that skills that are going to be
able to be duplicated at the NFL level When you
watch cayleb play. The talent is undeniable, But do you
(37:58):
guys really think Kaylor gonna be a run around like
he did at USC and all of his big players
come off of you know, pure wet out of two
tackles and reverse the field and throwing back across the
field to a guy wide open. I mean, how much
of in structure highlights does Caleb have?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
So he's off schedule guy right now?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
All right? And I'm not saying he's not super talented,
but I'm saying, can he play in schedule? Can he
throw the ball on time in rhythm consistently? I mean,
I'm just a question marks in my opinion about how
quick Caleb's success is gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
When people were watching him and they voted for him
from the Heisman, they didn't look at that stuff and say, oh,
he's just throwing because guys are wide open.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
Well, I think not how they evaluated him. I'm just asking.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
I think the hes was one of them. That's that's
a story for another day. I'm not even sure how
they choose hows winners a lot of times, but I mean,
Caleb had a really good year at USC. He did.
He deserved to win the high He was really good.
I'm not saying the talent isn't there. I'm saying, when
you watch Caleb's games, is the process at least to
(39:08):
his success at see can't he duplicate that in the NFL?
Speaker 5 (39:11):
So did you pick Trevor Lawrence to be can't miss?
Were you were on that bandwagon?
Speaker 4 (39:17):
I think Trevor Lawrence was a guy that was safe
and had a highest ceiling.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
That's not what people said about him. Now, he was
the best talent.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
And I don't say you.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
I'm just saying people, he is the best talent and
can miss and he was Peyton Manning and.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Andrew Luck and here we are. I don't think he's that.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Here's what I said up. Here's what I said about
Trevor Lawrence. It's immensely talented. Can he operate outside of
the Clemson bubble? Those kids at Clemson under double are
so insulated from criticism from a lot of the exterior
things you have to deal with as an NFL player.
When he gets to Jacksonville and he faces the adversity,
how does he deal with it. I thought he did
(39:58):
a great job in year two after a disastrous year
one with Urban Meyer. But this year he regrets he
didn't play well you know where adversity hit. So we'll
see those now, the issues that I thought he would have.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Sean, there are some guys I've seen commentators that think
after the combine as they started interviewing and testing these
guys that Drake May. We got about a minute for
you answer, Drake May. You know some people will think
he'll be a top Caleb. Not most, but a few.
(40:34):
So tell me what your thoughts on Drake May and
Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
I have Jayden Dames is my number one quarterback in
this draft. I think Jaden's the guy. If I had
the number one pick and I was gonna go quarterback,
I would go Jamee Danions. Look at the improvements he
made from Arizona State to LSU. I mean he was
elite this year. He was Joe Burrow good at LSU
this year, and kind of the same situation with the
level of receivers he had. I think Drake May is
(40:58):
not as talented as the other two guys, but I
do think he has a chance to be a good player.
Caleb's the wildcard. I've heard some different things from people
in that building and see about his personality, about his intangibles.
It's leadership. It's all going to depend on how he
handles the process. If he aces it, he'll go number one.
If people are a little concerned, may be about some entitlement,
you know, maybe some selfishness, then he may drop.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
All right, that's our man, Sean King, all right on
in Island, I'm gonna say he's Gilligan.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
You say what I said, your Gilligan. I'm gonna say
hill again instead of the Skipp song.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Great stuff, Brother, We gotta run.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
Man, have a good weekend it buddy, all.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Right, Rob, have a great weekend, my man, You too?
The same? All right?
Speaker 5 (41:44):
And uh I was safe trip to South Carolina, South Carolina?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yes, all right?
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Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
At the bottom of the hour, we got a good friend,
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
And look he has been a guy.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That's been incredibly accurate when talking about a lot of quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Oh no, definitely, I saw Sean. He had an event
Chris during the Super Bowl. So I spent some time. Yeah, yeah,
so Sean, and he has a knock for it.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
He knows he was a.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Quarterback and yeah, he knows it. And they were close
to getting the Super Bowl. He was a quarterback with
Tony Dungee's team. Chris, they just couldn't they just couldn't
get over the hump.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
They had a great team.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
That's a team that wound up winning the Super Bowl
right right after that. But he was a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But he Rob, he's out on it. I told him
too when I asked him to come on the show.
He's out on an island because he is saying, Rob
that the Bears.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Should keep justin field wow and not draft capable.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
So I said, well, you out on an island, you're
gonna he said, I'll convince you when I come on
the show.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So we will.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
I think he's on Gilligan's Island. I'm not. Yeah, he
might be.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
He might be with that one, but we'll see. What'll
let him explain himself and see what he's talking about.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Let's go to college football. And Nick Saban, who we know,
just retired, and I don't like what's going on, Yeah, yeah, no,
he I mean, he obviously had accomplished about everything he
wanted to.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
But yeah, I think and Rob, we just saw.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Was it a coach from USC who I think U
c l A U c l A turned down an
offensive coordinator job in college to go be a running
backs coach you're talking about, But there was a coach
recently who turned down an O C job in college
to go will be just a running backs coach with
(03:01):
Jim Harbaugh with the Chargers. And a lot of these guys,
Rob are talking about how they just don't like the
new landscape of college football.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Kelly right when U see LA, Yeah, Chip chips.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Coach job right to just be an assistant in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
But they're complaining they don't like the new landscape, the
NIL to wild West, the transfer portal and all that.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Here's what Saban said.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
He said a lot, but I'll just read this one
quote and then we want to hear what you think
about this, Rob. He says, if my voice can bring
about some meaningful change, I want to help any way
I can because I love the players and I love
college football. What we have now is not college football,
not college football as we know it. You hear somebody
(03:51):
use the word student athlete that doesn't exist. So he
says a little more, But what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Rob?
Speaker 5 (03:58):
I think Nick Saban is the biggest hip kit going
because it hasn't been college football, Chris, in a long time.
With all the money that the schools make off of it,
and the travel and all the other stuff they ask
the kids to do.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
It's a full.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Time job playing major college football. You can say whatever
you want. They haven't been student athletes in a long time.
Chris and Nick Saban never turned down the money and said,
you know what, I want to play. What's the top
scale for a professor at the university, Chris. That's what
he should be making, right, the top scale. This guy
(04:34):
kill me with that. It's hypocrisy. What he doesn't like,
Chris is simple. What he didn't like and why he
wanted to quit is he doesn't have those scholarships in
that control in their back pocket. The college coaches could
walk out on the kids on the drop of a dime, Chris,
right before the bowl game, right because they got a
(04:54):
new job.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And now the.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Kids could walk out when they're mistreated or they're not
being played or their futures aren't in play, Chris, don't.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
I don't get it. And you know what, Yes, it
is the wild wild West.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
When they when the people left the East coast and
went out to west, Chris and covered wagons that try
to settle new worlds.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It was the wild.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
West, and you had to figure it out. Guess what.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
It became a piece of the United States, and everything
else worked out in time.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Nothing that's going up. You're changing the system.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
You think it's supposed to be all buttoned up, Chris,
in a year or two. It can't be buttoned up
in a year or two. It will work itself out
and always does. This is new for everybody. But to
stimy the kids and try to go back to where
I'm sorry, the toothpastes out of the two.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
And he's saying now he maybe's just saying this, but
he did say he don't he don't mind the players
getting paid.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
He just thinks the way it's being done is off.
But go ahead.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Yeah, I'm just I can't get with it, Chris. Those
kids were taking advantage of for a long time. We
live in a free market system and the same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
What is that?
Speaker 5 (06:10):
What is the name of the of the video video
game company e A is EA Sports A Sports Chris.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
You see what they're offering the kids for the video
game likeness? Did you see that?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Now?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Know what?
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Six hundred dollars Chris and a free game?
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Now, yeah, that's what That's what the offer is for
them to sign up six hundred dollars athletes.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
Yes, college football?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
What did they think? Why do they think they gonna
get players with that? Is gonna get so much more money.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Elsewhere, but six hundred Like, think about how many millions
they make, Chris, And they want the kids to sign
over their rights for six hundred dollars in a game.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Now, look, we all know that college football has been
pro football for a long time, A long time, all right.
There's no ifsands or butts about it. And so we
both have been on the record as saying the players
should get paid. So I and if Saban wants to
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turn that clock back, then he's sorely mistaken. But I'm
not sure that's what he wants. But they do need
to fix the way it's done because Rob, it's like
we talked about it with basketball, we don't know there's
no continuity from year to year, we don't know what
players are playing, We don't know what teams who their
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top players are from year to year.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So now college basketball has.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Really declined in popularity and all people really care about
is the March madness.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And that's just because of the gambling.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And so if football continues where guys are transferring all
the time and all of that stuff, then.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
It could see a decline.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So I do think they need to fix it, but
they just gotta find the right way. And look, part
of the problem, Rob is that the n C Double
A has been so stingy and greedy because.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
The n C Double A, ROB didn't fix it. They're
not giving up an They're not giving the kids money.
This is what I'm trying to say. It is like
you are guys. Refuse to cut the players in. They're
the product. You won't even cut them in.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Remember a few years ago when the players from Northwestern tried.
If they had done something like that or made a
compromise and the n C Double A played ball, then
you wouldn't have the quote unquote wild wild West right
now because right because they wouldn't play ball. Now you
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got the n I L deals and it's every man
for himself and these corporations and obviously you have you know, collectives.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
That's the schools.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Trying to, you know, make sure they can still get
the best kids. But they need to figure.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Something out, rob and I don't have all the answers
to it.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I like that the kids can get paid, but I
do think and you need the kids should have some
form of freedom because they decide to go to a
college based on the head coach in many cases, and
then he can leave and now they're stuck. So but
they need to get some of that under control. But
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really the pay I don't know if it's you know
I've talked about. I think eventually it's heading to where
they have it's more like an NFL system, and they've
got whether it's two big conferences and then divisions within
those like the NFL has or four conferences, and then
a playoff system. Right, we know we're going to twelve teams.
(09:52):
There was talk now about fourteen teams. Who has fourteen
teams the NFL? You know what I mean, Like you
have your top fifth, these sixty schools, whatever the realistic
number of those that have a chance to win it,
or at least you know are Power five teams and
the top teams in the country, those fifty or sixty
are at the top level, and they're divided into conferences
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and then a certain number make the playoffs. That's how
it should be done. And then Rob, do they you know,
do they? It would take an independent You would need
an independent committee, Rob to be a part of this,
because I wouldn't trust the NC Double A, you know,
I would not trust them to handle the money and
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divvy out what they really I'm with you, I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Because there'll be some monkey business. Absolutely, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
The challenge is this.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Let's say that that happened, there was an independent committee
and all the money that you know it can it's
given to the NC Double A or the schools or
whatever this committee and then divvied out fairly among the
top players and the top.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Schools and all of that. Rob, you and I know this.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
They're probably still would be the boosters coming along from
Alabama or LSU or whatever school they're trying to get
the kids to. That would give them a little more,
am I right?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Right?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
So don't just jump on the kids when it's these
adults doing a lot of the dirty work.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
So I'm with you and and their history, Chris is
not a good one for us to believe that there
would be real change.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Why would we believe that?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, and again I think it boils down to if
they were above board and really want to be fair
with the kids, then they wouldn't have this wild wild
West situation that they have now. And maybe this will
wake them up and they will be fair. But until
then it's gonna be. It might get chaotic. It already
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is to some degree, all right, eight seven, seven ninety
nine on Fox. What are your thoughts some coaches leaving
college football because they say it's too crazy out there?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
How do you get it under control?
Speaker 7 (12:19):
It?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Does it even need to be brought under control? What
are your thoughts on NIL the portal and what it
is doing to college football?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
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eight seven seven ninety nine. On a Fox, you're turned
the way in on Nick Saban, but more so the
nil and college football and where things could be headed
your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (14:37):
All right, Chris, let's kick it off with Rodney in Philly.
You're on the odd couple Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
What's up? Rodney?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Y'all?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Goes up?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Man? No much?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Nick Saban coming out making that statement acting like there's
a bunch of money to be thrown around in college football,
like there is no like the money thrown around to.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
The coaches, like these students saw the student and he saw.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
That, and they took the opportunity to get their opportunity.
So I don't know why he was come out and
say like there needs to be changes just because he
lost control, Like whoa, there's money for athletes to be made,
and then they just got smart enough to see, hey,
we have an opportunity here and they're taking advantage of this.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
If we came up with a plan to say, all
these coaches making ten million dollars, let's take your money,
put it in a pool, you guys only making million
dollars a year, and will spread it amongst the kids.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
You think they go for.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
That, or they ain't trying to hear that, Chris, You
know they ain't trying to hear that.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
They trying to hear that.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
No, because one of the things I've always said was
Nick Savin made what about eight eight million dollars a year?
He can pay scholarship with majority of its.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Out right, he could, of course, and look and nobody's
saying he can't make money. But these players, they had
been they had a great situation.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Robs.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
All the adults got paid up and he's eighteen.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
To twenty one year olds got nothing.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
And Chris, if you took a pizza from somebody, you
remember they were getting people throwing people out of school,
you would lose your scholarship or you can't play. Could
you took a pizza or or a coach bought an
airline ticket for you to go to your grandmother's funeral?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
Yeah, it was disgraceful, disgraceful.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Thanks well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I appreciate it, all right, Roddie, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
What about Chili Tim in Atlanta? You're in the couple
of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Tim?
Speaker 9 (16:32):
What whatever you're gonna play? Man, make it counchy. In
the words of James Brown.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Baby, that's right, right about that? Brother.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Hey, hey, James Brown, come on, you know what. I
got to see him later on in life playing Vegas,
and I'm telling you he was an old man at
this point. You know, he changed about eighteen times during
the show. I mean, yeah, he was unbelievable with the
capes and all that. Chris, it was amazing, Thank God
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out to see him. I think he died after that.
Speaker 9 (17:02):
But three points, I like real quick. Nick Saban First
of all, his part of his problem is is like
he didn't care about all this when there was no
parody of football, when Alabama was getting a players, and
he can hold off to him. But now that these
kids fa you know, they're like, hey, you know what,
I can go play somewhere else, get money. I can
still get drafted. I can still be seeing them at
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a way I play it. So now you know, he
can't dominate like he used to, and he can't hold
onto these top players. So I think that's the first point.
I think he's number two. If he's mad with anybody,
be mad with the school president of your university in
the NCAA, because they're the ones, like you said, they're
still not giving up any money. They're getting all the
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money they're making every year, so right.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
And the TV money is so big, I mean, for real,
it's so big, man. And if they took that TV
money away, they probably closed down these football programs.
Speaker 6 (17:56):
I'm that serious.
Speaker 9 (17:58):
Every thing is is run like it's like a big
Ponzi scheme. It's the biggest Ponzi scheme going, man, where
everybody at the top makes all the money, the people
at the body work like slaves. And they tell you
on one day you could get here knowing that you're
never gonna get there. And that's what it is. It's
the same concept.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
It's just the scheme.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
No, no doubt, man, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Absolutely crazy. Chris eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox.
If you do want to get in, you know it'll
it'll work itself out, Chris, in time. You know what
I mean, it would there because we worked out.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Like I said, this could force the NCAA to do
get closer to doing the right thing, do.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
The right thing. If you want to monitor it, let
the money come from you. Let the money come from you.
But you won't do that.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yep, no no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
All right, Like we said, we're gonna get to our
man Sean King who is Lennon Island saying the bear
should keep justin fields and not draft.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Caleb Williams.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Is he the skip? Roy Gilligan. I just want to know, Steve,
this Sagan.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Everything's not with the update. Steve.
Speaker 10 (19:13):
Everybody heard the joke and said, don't talk into this.
You know how the whole nil thing started is Ed
O'Bannon was the superstar UCLA hoops and MVP of the
Final four mid nineties, and he winds up going over
to somebody's house and seeing him playing an EA Sports
game and said, wait a minute, that's me game.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
No right, and that was it.
Speaker 10 (19:31):
That's not just a guy, that's my number and name
on the uniform. I'm not getting anything from this.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
It was unbelievable how brazen they were. I'm dead serious.
And then they started saying, well, that's just not that's
not you.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
You know what I mean. They we try to do that.
Speaker 10 (19:47):
Well, the USC student store is selling jerseys of number five,
but it's not right just because you don't put the
names on the back of the jerseys. Honestly, this was
the whole, the most black and white thing of the
whole issue to me. Whether you want them to be
employees or something that's something more and separate, but this
to actually steal their name, image and.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Likeness, make money off of it, and then look at
them like they're crazy right that they're like, where's where's
my card?
Speaker 10 (20:16):
You mentioned the offer of EA college football coming back.
There's an EA Sports guy who said, in the first
twelve hours, we had more than five thousand college athletes
opt in and take the cash.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, look, I think doesn't be the only thing they take.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I mean as far as from other companies.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
But Chris right, they're going to make so much that
that's a drop in a bucket. Whoever, their representation is
crazy to settle on five six hundred dollars.
Speaker 10 (20:42):
And then when the athletes thos yes, they get sent
a link and say, hey, post this. They so like
Travis Hunter Colorado, the guy that plays offense and defense.
He tweets out in the last twenty four hours the
EA logo and his name and number and I'm in
the game and all of that, And that's what they want,
all of.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
These things that's worth to six hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 10 (21:03):
The big news today a federal judge in Tennessee granted
a preliminary injunction that prohibits the NCAA from enforcing its
own rules against pay for play and recruiting, so effective immediately,
NIL collectives can negotiate deals with recruits without any fear
of NCAA sanctions. And I love what. Stuart mandelis covered
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college sports for many years. He pointed out in The Athletic,
you know what my first reaction is, this renders the
entire plot of the movie Blue Chips obsolete. So was
Nick Nolty's playing this college hoops coach like Bob Knight,
and he starts paying the players under you know, Shaquille
O'Neal and all these guys under the table, and there's
an investigation. The writer says, I bring this up because
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back in nineteen ninety four, even a non hoops fan
walking into their local movie theater is aware at the
time that when you pay a high school recruits that
was some sort of cardinal sin. And so the assumption
was so ingrained in the public back in the nineties,
an entire film could be based around an NCAA violation
without even having to explain why it's a violation. It
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was just part of the landscape.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
And nobody throwt anything else.
Speaker 10 (22:13):
Nose certainly not certain.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
How many kids had their reputations like tainted, as if they.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Were the ones really doing the wrong. And I get
it. It was it was, you know, breaking.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
The rules, but the rules were religious, right, The rules
were terrible.
Speaker 10 (22:29):
To the NBA scoreboard, and Cleveland's still down by a
bit early fourth quarter at Philadelphia Philly seventy eight seventy
two in the lead. Donovan Mitchell of the Cavs out
again due to illness. Raptors lead with eight minutes to go,
one oh seven, one hundred at Atlanta. Pelicans do not
have brandon Ingram again tonight due to illness, and Miami
leads at New Orleans in the third sixty nine sixty four,
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nineteen points. For Jimmy Butler, it's going to be another
Oklahoma City when it looks like tonight, not even mid
third quarter, eighty nine sixty seven thunder ahead of the Wizards,
whose record would fall to nine and nine and forty seven.
He said out loud. Grizzlies are leading the Clippers sixty
eight sixty five mid third, and it's the Rockets ahead
of the Suns now in the third, sixty seven fifty nine.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Back to you, all.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Right, Steve, Hey, have a great weekend.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
S yes, absolutely, absolutely all right.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
It is the odd couple Chris and rober What are
you doing this weekend, Roberts, We wait, we will.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
On Chris King for the first time in a while.
Absolutely nothing. I actually have a free weekend. I'll be
at home. I just don't have any plans. And then
the following weekend I'm going to spring training in Arizona.
So I'm gonna go see the Dodgers and the Brewers,
you know what I mean on those two days next
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to next two weekend days.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
But nothing. All is good.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah, I'm going to in the morning, I'm flying to
South Carolina speaking at an event in Columbia.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Okay, and you are you going? When are you going
to Cleveland? When is your in Cleveland?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
That's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
That's in March and marking summit March fourteenth through the seventeen.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Oh, you got any time to go to the Cavs
game or you don't your schedule jamb I'll be jammed, Okay, yeah, okay, yeah,
I don't even know why.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You know who they're playing that weekend.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
No, it's just that my buddy Bobby, who works for them,
he was just saying, I was going to, you know,
extend the invite to you if you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Go by Yeah, I yeah, I'm probably gonna be. That's
pretty full.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Yeah, how many people coming? Do you have an idea?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yet?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Last year we had we have several hundred. We're hoping
to get more more than that. Are most ever, we
had six hundred last that's a lot to the country men. Yeah,
so we're hoping to get close to a thousand, if
not more so. Yeah, if you want to come out Cleveland, Ohio,
the King Movement Men's National Summit, great speakers workshops.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
On finance, basketball race.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
There's basketball tournament five or five basketball tournament. Winning team
gets four thousand dollar, runner up gets a thousand. So
it's it's a lot of money on the line. There's
gonna be some hip hop so yeah, Large fourteen through
the seventeenth. You can register at King Summit dot org,
Ksummit dot org.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
I heard that Shack might show up Chris with the
four thousand dollars pot there.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
No, you know I played against Shaq. Did you're really
in the game, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I was at an event at his house in Miami
and he had was in Orlando.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
He lived.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
He had a full court. It was like the Miami
Heats floor in his house.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Full court.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, And so we were playing. There was a bunch
of people there playing and he was on the man.
He blocked one of my shots like about fifty feet surprising.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
To knock your cheek out with it, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Like then he did shock see if Shaq were coming
up today, right, we know you remember how athletic he was,
and he was thinner. He wasn't ever like skinny, at
least not as a pro, but he was a lot thinner.
Early on, Shaq would be able to do all that stuff.
Yan he busted out, I get it, I'm I'm I'm
(26:08):
just a journalist. But he busted a three for the
game winner in my face. Wow, and so he you know,
Shaq had some skills, but he look, Shaq was smart.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Rob He was like, yeah, I could shoot a little, but.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
You can't stop me here, right?
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Why would you go away from something that's automatic?
Speaker 6 (26:27):
It doesn't make sense. You should do something? No, do
what until you stop me?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Right?
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Why would I stop?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Like like we always talked about Kareem in the hook shop,
why would you do anything else? Course, you can't stop it,
can't block it, you can't stop it.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
And I and I scored very easily with it.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yep, you gotta stop me before I go to something
something else, Make me go to something else. So we're
waiting on sharp rock. Maybe he got cold feet. He
started looking at that sweet he put out and like,
you know, what do I really want? To say they
should go after Justin Fields instead of.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Let me texting anymore?
Speaker 6 (27:05):
See what? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Where is he? Maybe I don't think I gave Patrick
the wrong numbers.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Okay, but but let let's throw out the number Chris
eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Eight seven seven nine six sixty three sixty nine. Let's
let them weigh in on Justin Fields or Kayleb Willis. Yeah,
we think the Bears should do as we wait.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Because Chris and I, I think we're in lockstep on this, right,
Like Cayleb Williams would have to prove that to me
that he can't play. I just I am not as
the Bears organization, Chris gonna pass. And going into this season,
it was up and down on fields, right, like you're like, well,
(27:47):
we gotta wait and see and what happens and this
and that, and they got off to a bad start
and then when the season was over, they play better.
And I'm not saying he can't play, right, but I'm
not going to as a franchise I'm not a franchise
quarterback since Sid Luckman, I'm just going for real right.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Right.
Speaker 11 (28:10):
But that but Chris, that that's who else they don't
have anybody that he's the last great quarterback. They won
it with Jim McMahon, but he wasn't a great quarterback there,
unbel and the defense was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Absolutely, Yeah, I think Rob, I'm with you. We are
in lockstep on this, justin I'm not out on him.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
I'm not either.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
But we don't know, Like anybody wants to sit here
and say they know it.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Maybe Sean will if we get him that they know
he's going to be great.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Because most of his highlights, Rob are running and there's
a place for that, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, so on
and so forth. But Rob, he's already done three years
of running. Now you don't run forever, Lamar, and some
of it's by choice. But Rob, he doesn't run like
(29:01):
he used to. He's still great, but he doesn't run yet.
So there's a miscommunication, uh because Shawn's saying, uh that
he's ready, but he didn't get called.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Yeah, hold on, all right, we got the number.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, we may have to get him in the next segment.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
All right, let's let's just let's Chris, let's break and
then get him and then you know what I mean,
come back.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, but let me finish that ahead, because Rob like.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
The more as you get older, your running is not
going to be as effective. Lamar is still a great runner,
but he doesn't run like he used to, and he
should run more, but he still probably couldn't run like
he used to. Right, And and so John, Justin already's
got three years of wearing tarror, and I get it,
he's still very young. But I'm just saying, like, you
(29:55):
start the financial clock over again with Caleb. I like Justin,
and I think you. I think he will be good somewhere.
I don't know for sure, but I would go ahead
and get Caleb William to start all over. But we
will get Sean King around the corner after this break.
Keep it lock ay a couple of Fox Sports Radio.
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DJ Alex Tyser had the audacity to challenge me.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Like I don't know this. Oh no, man, come on,
this is uh I noticed on.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Can we leave? Let's say we're people.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Oh my god, this is confunction right, look at you
to see confunction on.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
The jam conjunction.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
John all right, Sean, I know our next guest know
that we lie from the tiereck dot Com studios.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Sean King, Sean, what's up, brother?
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I like the jails man, yo were flashed back?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Sean absolutely, absolutely, all right. Let's get right to it. Sean.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I'm just looking at your Twitter and I see this
at the top and you pinned it. You proud of it? Yes,
and it's from November, so you got them read it.
And then let me say there's path to twenty twenty
four success one. Extend justin Fields two, draft o loop
(31:54):
for Seanu visits all in twenty twenty four, Move twenty
twenty three, darn darn right inside the guard three, upgrade
wide receiver room outside of DJ Moore through free agency
Mike Evans, Calvin Ridley, Tyler Board, etc. And therefore acquire
Josh Jacobs as running back. The first one is what
(32:16):
everybody's looking at. Extend justin fields. So are you It
seems like you would keep Justin Fields if you're the
Bears and pass on drafting Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I think if you look at what Justin Fhilds has done,
I mean, he's shown elite ability and he's done at
the NFL level. He's proven he can make every throw.
He's proven that he's one of the most dynamic talents
at quarterback in the National Football League. The one thing
we don't know about Justin Phils is how good he
could be if he was surrounded by the same caliber
(32:50):
of talent. And the only thing I would change from
that tweet is now I think trading the first pick
makes more sense than drafting uh for Sino because Darnel
Wright played exceptionally well as a rookie, and the hall
you can get, you think what they got last year.
They swapped ones with the Panthers, added a second round pick,
(33:14):
added a first this year and a second next year,
so they'll get even more for whoever wants to trade
up for cayleb Because Caleb Williams is going to grade
out higher than Bryce Young. I mean, you can change
the entire dynamic of your organization by trading that pick.
And I just I just am a person that does
it think Caleb Williams is better than Justin Fields.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
All right, and you're mostly on the island by yourself.
And my big question for you is are you to
skip or a Gilligan? Because I'm sorry, the Chicago Bears
haven't had a franchise quarterback in many many moons, okay,
like Sid Sid Luckman, Okay.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
And and you're.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Going to pass.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
You're going to pass on a guy who you're saying,
when when the season was on the line didn't play
that well, and then when the season was kind of
over played better and there's a question mark, and you're
you're gonna pass on a guy who could potentially be
a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
I can't do it, Sean.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
I need Caleb Williams to prove to me that he
can't play.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
I can't do it.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Well, here's what I would saying. I'm not trying to
diminish Cayleb Williams. I'm not one of those guys because
I think Justin Fields is good has the thing that
Caleb Williams isn't. But what I'm saying is if you,
let's say they trade Justin what are they gonna get
for justin you know, with his contract, you know, basically
gonna need to be extended to whoever he's traded to.
It gonna get a third, you know, maybe a conditional second.
(34:42):
So now you and they don't have a second round
pick this year because they gave it up for Sweat,
who they traded for from the commander. So let's say
you take Caleb at one. You're gonna try him out
there with Shawn Johnson and Dj Moore and the rest
of that group next year and think he's gonna turn
one of the wine and a division that is getting
really good. Look at what the Lions are at. Look
(35:02):
at how good the Packers looked in Minnesota. If cousin
state healthy, you know, who knows what happens. So that
division is a lot better than it used to be.
And I just don't think whoever the quarterback is in Chicago,
with the way the rest of that personnel looks, is
going to be able to turn them into a winner.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
You mean, like when Joe Burrow went to Cincinnati and
everybody told him not to go there because you know
that organization is bad and they can't win.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Yeah, But they got Jamar Chase t Higgins and Kyler
Boyce their third receiver, and Joe Mixons there running back.
So Jamar Chase is better than DJ Moore.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
No, but I'm just saying people were telling them not
to go there.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Like DJ Stroud turned around.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Yeap Houston in one year. Well it's doable.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Lovely Smith doesn't get enough credit for how competitive and
how close Houston was. Now Dimico's come in and you know,
nothing needs to be saying. But I mean what, I'm
drawing a blank on on his number twelve for the Texas,
I'm joining a blank on the young kid, Nico Collins.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I mean, del both pretty Tank Dell.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
I mean they got you know, they had talent there.
You know, they were a very competitive team the year
before under Lovey they lost a lot of close games.
So I think they're ahead of where Chicago was. So
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Let me ask you this about Justin Like what because
I think most of his highlights He's had a few
nice throws here and there, but most of his highlights
are running the football and his passing numbers, as you know,
aren't spectacular. So what is it that makes you think
he can be a great passion.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Well, We've seen him do it at Ohio State when
he was surrounded by leak talent. Well we haven't seen
in Chicago. Is him have a fair playing field? You
know they before they had DJ Moore, who was he
throwing to guys? And I'm not trying to diminish the
skilled players in Chicago. I'm saying when you compare them
to just compare them to the division. I mean Jared
Goffers throwing the armon Saint Brown, Sam La Porter, He's
(37:02):
handed off to David Montgomery, who Chicago didn't want for
some reason. And uh, the rookie from Alabama. You know,
you look at Jordan Love. I mean all those young, talented,
skilled guys they have. I mean, you go to Minnesota,
you got Justin Jefferson. I mean everybody else in the
division is more talented at the skill positions on offense
than Chicago, and that matters. I mean there's only one
(37:25):
quarterback who doesn't see the matter what you put around
and he wins. He'll finds a way. And that's my
homes And their defense was elite this year.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
So what let me ask you, what do you think
Cayleb Williams is going.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
To be good look, because when I when I evaluate
college players, I look at what are repeatable behaviors? What
are skills that that skills that are going to be
able to be duplicated at the NFL level When you
watch cayleb play. The talent is undeniable, But do you
(37:58):
guys really think Kaylor gonna be a run around like
he did at USC and all of his big players
come off of you know, pure wet out of two
tackles and reverse the field and throwing back across the
field to a guy wide open. I mean, how much
of in structure highlights does Caleb have?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
So he's off schedule guy right now?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
All right? And I'm not saying he's not super talented,
but I'm saying, can he play in schedule? Can he
throw the ball on time in rhythm consistently? I mean,
I'm just a question marks in my opinion about how
quick Caleb's success is gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
When people were watching him and they voted for him
from the Heisman, they didn't look at that stuff and say, oh,
he's just throwing because guys are wide open.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
Well, I think not how they evaluated him. I'm just asking.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
I think the hes was one of them. That's that's
a story for another day. I'm not even sure how
they choose hows winners a lot of times, but I mean,
Caleb had a really good year at USC. He did.
He deserved to win the high He was really good.
I'm not saying the talent isn't there. I'm saying, when
you watch Caleb's games, is the process at least to
(39:08):
his success at see can't he duplicate that in the NFL?
Speaker 5 (39:11):
So did you pick Trevor Lawrence to be can't miss?
Were you were on that bandwagon?
Speaker 4 (39:17):
I think Trevor Lawrence was a guy that was safe
and had a highest ceiling.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
That's not what people said about him. Now, he was
the best talent.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
And I don't say you.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
I'm just saying people, he is the best talent and
can miss and he was Peyton Manning and.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Andrew Luck and here we are. I don't think he's that.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Here's what I said up. Here's what I said about
Trevor Lawrence. It's immensely talented. Can he operate outside of
the Clemson bubble? Those kids at Clemson under double are
so insulated from criticism from a lot of the exterior
things you have to deal with as an NFL player.
When he gets to Jacksonville and he faces the adversity,
how does he deal with it. I thought he did
(39:58):
a great job in year two after a disastrous year
one with Urban Meyer. But this year he regrets he
didn't play well you know where adversity hit. So we'll
see those now, the issues that I thought he would have.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Sean, there are some guys I've seen commentators that think
after the combine as they started interviewing and testing these
guys that Drake May. We got about a minute for
you answer, Drake May. You know some people will think
he'll be a top Caleb. Not most, but a few.
(40:34):
So tell me what your thoughts on Drake May and
Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
I have Jayden Dames is my number one quarterback in
this draft. I think Jaden's the guy. If I had
the number one pick and I was gonna go quarterback,
I would go Jamee Danions. Look at the improvements he
made from Arizona State to LSU. I mean he was
elite this year. He was Joe Burrow good at LSU
this year, and kind of the same situation with the
level of receivers he had. I think Drake May is
(40:58):
not as talented as the other two guys, but I
do think he has a chance to be a good player.
Caleb's the wildcard. I've heard some different things from people
in that building and see about his personality, about his intangibles.
It's leadership. It's all going to depend on how he
handles the process. If he aces it, he'll go number one.
If people are a little concerned, may be about some entitlement,
you know, maybe some selfishness, then he may drop.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
All right, that's our man, Sean King, all right on
in Island, I'm gonna say he's Gilligan.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
You say what I said, your Gilligan. I'm gonna say
hill again instead of the Skipp song.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Great stuff, Brother, We gotta run.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
Man, have a good weekend it buddy, all.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Right, Rob, have a great weekend, my man, You too?
The same? All right?
Speaker 5 (41:44):
And uh I was safe trip to South Carolina, South Carolina?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yes, all right?
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