August 19, 2025 • 33 mins
Former NFL All-Pro safety Kerry Rhodes is in for Rob, and he and Kelvin debate whether Tim Tebow was really the greatest college quarterback of all-time, and tell us why Barry Sanders is probably the single greatest player in college history. Plus, 2x Super Bowl champion James Washington swings by to discuss what Jerry Jones needs to do differently to get the Dallas Cowboys back to the top of the NFL, whether or not he feels like he was robbed of the Super Bowl MVP in 1994, and much more!
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Speaker 4 (02:29):
All right, So I believe it was me and you,
Rob G.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
We're tiving some college football quarterback conversations because there was
a new, uh, I don't know what to call it,
like a survey or list that came out, and it
was putting Tim Tebow as the greatest college quarterback of
all time?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Real quick? Any issues with.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
That greatest college quarterback of all time? Yeah, of course
I have issues with that. Hold up, what you say?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
All right? What's since? What of the no? Ain't no criteria?
Is your criteria? My cut here? Whatever? It is the
best college quarterback ever.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Because I thought we were going to just move on,
but now I got to park the car right here. Obviously,
you had that great season. The numbers were crazy, but
two season though, disrespect him like that. First of all,
you don't have it was it was it was okay,
it was a year, like a year and a half Okay,
so that's fine. Then who was better? Who's better than
Tim Tebow quarterback? We can name plenty who carry don't
(03:21):
want to go to heaven? You don't want to, we
can name plenty. I mean, Vince Young had a great
So Vince Young was number two. If I'm not a
second team cour Yeah, it was all a p I
believe it was. And they had Tim Tebow as number
one and Vince was there second. So I'm not mad
that magical run that with that dude crazy. I mentioned
(03:43):
it when we talked about it. I said that game
against USC is one of my favorite games any sport.
I'm talking any sport. I don't care if it's a
match in tennis, if it's a sport. That game Texas
USC was phenomenal. Right, continue, you said plenty, Mark Jackson
as well was better than this. This is no, no, no, no,
We're we're talking about just quarterbacks and their play. If
(04:06):
if if Lamar Jackson on that Florida team, they don't
win the championship.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I'm just saying, so like quarterback play, college is different.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I'm serious, though, I can't just give you that what
he mean, even though I know Lamar is a better
player with out of doubt, meaning what Tim Tebow was
Tim Tebow was able to do was even just beyond Kelvin,
Like he was a grown man against boys. That that's
why when he got to the pros, it didn't matter
as much because being a grown man, we all grow in.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
What that's you got, Kelvin.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
If Lamar Jackson on the Florida team, they went back
to back, I mean they won one in Florida with
t Bow the dint when Lamar Jackson is it's hard
because he's a better player. But that's what I'm saying. No, no,
I'm saying he's a but I don't know that he
was a better college players. So what I'm saying why
they both won, they both won. Heismans if Lamar was
in Florida, but they win. It had two championships. One
(04:56):
was his, one was you know, he was on the team,
but one was his. Yeah, when he started, the lost
and then they won. That's that's right, that's fine. But
I'm just saying, so this is a hold on.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
So winning the championship don't even mean nothing to carry
it does. But I'm saying if Lamar was in that's
with that team they win. It's not like.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Anybody says Lamar Jackson is a better college and whatnot?
Why not college? They both won Heisman trophies. It's not
like something where Okay, Lamorrow, Eric Couch wanted Heisman. If
you want to just go based on Eric, you know
what I'm saying. You can't just go based off symbols.
So and so when Heisman and I'm just a lot
of quarterbacks. I'm just I'm stacking the comparables both Jason
(05:37):
White win one or something with Oklahoma, yeah I think
did I think?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Did I think it there?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
With Oklahoma?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Uh but no, man, look Tim t Bow. I'm not
trying to discredit them all. I'm not there said plenty.
There are plenty quarterbacks that are better quarterbacks than him.
I can name a lot of them. I mean, Carson
Palmer in US he was better. I'm not saying he's
gonna be when this is the problem, I can't have
this conversation with carry Well he played in the He's
looking at it from a who was the better literal quarterback?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Meaning what it says they're saying. You know, they'll get me.
Let me quit it. Okay, Christian Laightoner. Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
If I say it was the best college player ever,
you're gonna be like, oh man, because you your brain
just thinks total basketball. Yes, but Christian Latner could make
a case. There's five, six, seven other people who could
make a case. Obviously Luil Sender turned Kareem could make it.
Dave Thompson could make a case. You know, so on
is a pistol. P can make a case. So I'm
not Ralph Thompsons. Ralph Samson can makee that's a great one.
(06:34):
So my point is, I think you're looking at like
Carson Palmer did not have a better college career than
Tim Tebow. He is the better quarterback. That's right, that's
my But that's the question. You know, the question was
collegiate quarterback. Yes, collegiate.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
But that's the point. No, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That's where it gets tricky because obviously Tim Tebow was
the right player for that team, right, And that's my
I would say that one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
There's no that's what I'm saying. It's no hate.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
But when you this, we're supposed to go rob. If
you say quarterback, I'm gonna say he is not the
best quarterback in college.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
He just he just wasn't well best and greater two
different words. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
It's did he have the greatest career of any college quarterback?
The greatest career? Because because Dubb said definitively yes, and
he's not. That's not that.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And I said Tommy Frazier, see I love Tommy as well. No,
I smoked him with Tommy. We smoked the Tommy. I
didn't bring him up, yeah, because I was listening to
Rob Jenny and again I was, okay, Rob, you know
you're trying, you're fighting hard. Then we started digging in
those numbers and I'm like, yeah, total of like I
have to pull the dumb well.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
The numbers are crazy. They get bigger, and those numbers
were like quadriple. He wasn't really like seriously like Tommy's
most was like seventeen hundred passing yards.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
He didn't pass a lot, yeah, which were be fine.
Then I'm gonna need you to have like twenty five
hundred Russian something. Gotta have a thousand rushing yeah, But
it was like, like so the Tebow and you know
Tebow's numbers would create like eighty eight passing touchdowns, Tommy
Frazer had like fifteen in his career, and Roger was
trying to cook a TV dinner. You wouldn't, so I
(08:19):
was just sitting there, like, hold on, it's Tim Tebow again.
There's a couple of other people, you said, playing out.
I think there's a couple of other people you could name.
I wouldn't be mad at I would get but it's
all encompassing. It's it's to me, the winning the Heisman,
the magical moments, not just great because you could be
just somebody puts some numbers like I don't really remember,
like him the blood coming down and yelling at the team,
(08:41):
like he is magically perfect for the three. Yes, And
I think that why is why it plays role similarly
to some other player, Like I said, if you want
to cre sate Christian Laightner, it's like we all know
Shack was better, yes, but for college Christian in that moment,
he was great.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
So you know, I thought we were gonna be able
to get to with the real topic was supposed to be.
I didn't know you weren't gonna get fired up over
here about Tim t And I'm not down with you.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Hello, Rob, you let me pull up.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
My robb gi emails what we had back and forth,
because then this is where I was. I had to
pull up on Robb G because he was trying to
talk Tommy Frazer, who was incredible and was fun as
heck to watch. I love that team. Nothing one as
heck to watch. But I'm like, all right, hold on now,
now i gotta pull up all these stats again to
find because again, when you started looking at the accomplishments
of Tim Tebow's actually ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
No, all right, hit me with you got it?
Speaker 6 (09:30):
So Tim Tebow at Florida completed sixty seven percent of
his passes. Yeah, nin eighty six yards, eighty eight touchdowns,
sixteen picks. Also added just under three thousand rushing yards
fifty seven rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Wait, how many years did he start, robs it? Two
and a half?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Two and a half, bro, that's crazy, he bowled out. No,
I stopped trying to tell me who's in the NFL
Hall of Fame. I'm not asking you that, Carrie.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
I know that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
If that's the case, just say, anybody who's ever been
a throw of the football except Anthony Richards it's a
better quarterback and was on the team for the first
now check but again that was Chris.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yeah, that was right.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Yeah, he wins it himself a couple of years later
and they started out thirteen and oh in two thousand
and nine before losing the Sea Championship game and he
didn't get.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
A chance for the third one. That's insane.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
You had a great career, it is. So I'm not
asking you. You should have said it the Dan Marino.
You should have said it differently. Count Kelvin, I think
I just broke it down and he said, like the
because all ap team, and that was what it was,
and it had all they paid the quarterback and Vince
was second on that. Yes, because I think again when
(10:42):
you're looking at the totality of the career, Yeah, when
you said those numbers, those numbers Evince not getting the Heisman, Yeah,
who got a Reggie?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Reggie that year?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, because that's why I was gonna we're talking about
like then the year before it was Liner. Yes, I
thought Liner, could you know, want to have some little
something to say with that? Maybe now his career is
crazy insane, Right, That's what I'm saying. There's a lot
of quarterbacks that were insane. Now, but Tim Tebow's run
I did they were crazy. Eighty eight passing touchdowns? Was
(11:13):
it fifty rushing fifty seven? Bro Listen, those those passing
touchdown was those little pop pass.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
They was sure he went throwing the ball down the field.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
You are nobody is saying Tim Tebow was the when
I'm designing a quarterback, who do I want?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
It seems like it seems like that.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
What we're saying was his college career was out of
a video game. It was in insane. It was no
it was now pro quarterback. He was a he was
a fullback at best. He saw how that worked. That
was ugly. It was that was likely quarterback plays. So
you talk about.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Jesus gave him a value.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Jesus said, I'm gonna give you one playoff win, so
that forever you can show your fans that's a big man.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Say yo.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
He did beat the Steelers and then they get to
go dang. They did it Kevin pat Man through a
six yard slant. They cut it up the yard seventy
of the rest of it running the late great the
Marius Marus Thomas. It was the Mary Thomas. He cut
that thing up now, Tim t Bugget Yeah, well, shoot,
I had a I had a walk off home run.
(12:16):
He's telling his son, you know, past pass he got
a sign No daughter, right, he just had a newborn.
I don't know telling this newborn right now? Dad, Dad
was the real deal. Yeah, I beat the stealers. Don't
ever let them tell you. Heman exactly. It's gonna be
people like Carrie Rose is gonna hate on met I
gotta statue statue hate us.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Wow, No, I get it, he bawled. He did. But
carry got nine dudes with Garry, got got nine dudes.
It was better than him because they are You guys
know it too. We're not questioning if they're better. Yes
we are. You said the bout and the pro.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
We're saying collegiate career, which by the way, wasn't even
what I.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Was to be asking you. No, I gotta ask you what.
I gotta ask you. What's going on? There's somebody else.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Who is getting his jersey retired at his alma manor,
and the question is is he may be the best
college player ever period position, no matter the position. Okay,
we'll ask you that next if you let me get
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you let's get into what we we were supposed to
talk about. Just Cam Newton getting his number retired at
the at Auburn, which you know deservedly so. And he
had an incredible Heisman campaign in winning a national championship
as well. You had those numbers. It was about forty
seven hundred yards forty three forty three hundred yards, fifty
(15:19):
touchdowns and an interesting note, by the way, no other
offensive player was drafted that year, so he wasn't like
throwing a Justin Jefferson and this guy and Chase and
you know. However, it was just throwing a bunch of guys.
Like sometimes you look up and you realize a lot
of these quarterbacks, You're like, Dany, look at that resimbles
that receiver university because they get to throw all these
guys like Joe Burrows, Ohio guys and those guy ye
(15:41):
Ohio State to another school that always has a bunch
of receivers. He was throwing it just guys, you know,
and obviously was able to drag a team to the
National championship one game, being's Alabama was down twenty four
to nothing, came back and won.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I think it was twenty eight twenty seven. So that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
So the question becomes is Cam Newton And obviously he
didn't have the long totality career some other players, but
just that year alone, was that like the greatest player
you'd ever seen. Tim Tebow was specifically because the AP
said he was the best college quarterback. We're saying all positions, yeah, quarterback, receiver,
just what you saw, oh Man I'll tell you what
(16:18):
that Cam Newton Auburn team and the performers that Cam
Newton had as a solo player carrying a team. You
just stated it, right. No other player on his offense
was NFL good, right. So the fact that he carried
a team we always talk about quarterbacks are supposed to
elevate their offenses and elevate their team. Well, this was
(16:39):
the ultimate case of that, right. So kudos to Cam
for an amazing season and that year was spectacular watching him.
It was must see TV, must see football. But but
but to say the best player in NCAA history, I'm
not going to go that far. There's been so many
talented players, I mean, extremely talented, gifted players I've played
(17:00):
against and I've seen in my time playing. I mean,
there was a Reggie bus season season in USC. There
was the Charles Woodson one in Michigan that we that
we talked about a lot, Johnny Manziel the one the
one season, and like it was, he was so many
man So Randy Moss at Marshall was one. And I
know somebody's gonna say it was Marshall. I think we
know how that worked out when he got to the pros.
(17:20):
I mean it would have been in Florida State. Remember
what he got in trouble. I think Florida State was
the weed. If I'm not mistaken it was, which, by
the way.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Not dude.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
We get the thirty for thirty on what could have
been for people who got into weed. Trouble that now
it's so legal and I'm walking around LA and people
just smoking up, sparking up in your face, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
We had ruined so many people's lives and careers just weed.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And I'm not I'm not a weed advocate for saying,
but I'm saying it was now I was just ain't
a little joint whenever that's how.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
People view it.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yeah, and so many people lost their careers or their
money or the opportunities because of that. Yeah. Uh, that's
amazing to me. But Randy Moss, what he was doing
at Marshall was absurd, too crazy, and I go, some,
oh man, that was just mark. I had he would
have been all right at Florida State. In fact, you
could arguemente for them better because it would have been
you know, no, it's quarterback with a chin chap. But
I'm saying, thinking the whole, the offense line, the other receivers,
(18:09):
the quarter like he would have had such an amazing
team that we might have really seen him getting busy.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
So but he had a good one.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
But another throw one out here, and you got shut
up in advance, you and Rob g okay, Oh you
got Barry Sanders.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Oh, I know you're gonna say, because I'm biased.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
No, the man had thirty seven rushing touchdowns in a season.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I'm surprised it ain't scored more. Thirty seven touchdowns in
one season is crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
It's crazy coupled with two more touchdowns and the bull
return and kick return. Really, and they didn't even keep
stats for ball games. Then the man at another one?
Was it rob two thirty and another three touchdowns?
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Or five?
Speaker 5 (18:52):
No?
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Five touchdowns?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
That is insane and not to mention aesthetically pleasing. For
those of you don't know, please go watch what Barry
Sanders will doing. I mean, you're at work right now,
you listen to the pod, or you're listening to his
live and kids are playing around and the wife is
on the phone.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
You got some time, Please go look at what Barry
Sanders are doing.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Oklahoma State, go look at the highlights, he averaged almost
eight yards of carry. Dude, I'm surprised it wasn't more
just how dynamic he was on the pro level. The
fact that some of those college kids would making tackles
on him, I'm actually they weren't.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
He just ran out of real estate.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
He just ran out of really yeah, dude, crazy, Go
back and look at Barry Sanders college. That might be
one of the more understated careers of any sport college career.
Why do you think that's the case, Because I would
argue the pro because the post could argue he's the
best running back ever, so you know, Walter paying him,
Jim Brown kind of those frees and if you want
(19:47):
to throw him in, But like.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Because he was that prolific.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Typically Heisman Trophy winners don't often pan out in the NFL,
So I think him actually panting out being better probably
been better than and being maybe even better that that.
I think that's why it was, like we think of Barry,
you're only thinking of the NFL.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Barry in college was bananas.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
But again, he was doing most people you don't get
to do, like Reggie Bush. We all agree, one of
the most aesthetically like just wow, it was amazing to watch. Yea,
he had highlights in the NFL handful of him for sure,
but he wasn't that he did not pan out that way.
I'm gonna throw something to you real quick, Okay. Do
you think it would have been different and we'd be
talking about that season Barry sent the season in particular
(20:32):
if it was the social media real.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Like with all the clips.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, you're right, things were kind of regional or natural
if you had to catch a quick little highlight of it,
and they just might even show a ticker, you know,
two eighty three touchdown you go, oh wow, you know, okay,
move on exactly if we saw because again, it wasn't
just the numbers, it was how he was doing.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You what is this?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And all the shares that would have got on social
media would have been sharing to yo, this is crazy.
It's a good point because it's made some people more
famous than they should be. Yes, you're like, all right,
settle down, I get exactly and you know, and then
also on the flip side, can hurt you know, it's
hurt some people because they maybe aren't as social media
highlight worthy, right, you know, like Yoki's maybe some of
(21:17):
the average person doesn't understand how good Yoki is because
it's not necessarily a great highlight exactly him jumping out
the wrong foot, slingshot over his head. But you're like, yo,
I'm telling you got to watch the game right to
know how good he is. Yeah, you know, all right,
James Washington, we can ask him this question too. That's
obviously he plays some college ball, two time super Bowl
champ with the Dallas Cowboys, getting ready to join us
(21:38):
in a moment, Looking forward to chat with him right now,
Steven Seger.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
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Carrie Rose is in for Rob Kelvin Washington on The
Trash Talk on Tuesday, and we are joined now by
James Washington to time Super Bowl champion Dallas Cowboys, also
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How you doing? Oh?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Man? You know I'm chilling like a villain man, just
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you know I do the news out here in La Special.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
I know you the dude that never called me back. Oh,
big time, big.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Time James, call him Ount James, Call the Mount James, James.
I gotta come see you got the Do you still
got the restaurant?
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I don't do the restaurant no more, man, I mean
you know, you know Donald Trumping, and that's all my
business up.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Well, listen, man, I just do you know.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
I'm the president of the Rose Bowl Attitude here handles
all the community service that comes out of the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 9 (22:55):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
We got to get you on the show man with
the spectrum, Man, if you do all the great stuff
you're doing, COMMUNI let's.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Let's do that.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Offt Off, I'm gonna get your number again, off from
Robb g here, off off the Michael.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
We'll make that happen for sure. We had a good
time chopping it up. Boys. Let's talk about this.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You played with the Cowboys, obviously, you know all the
fanfare that comes with it and everything. What's it like
playing under Jerry Jones and then obviously being in a
lump and just being part of that franchise, watching how
he's conducted himself thirty some years later. Where can't get
to the NFC Championship game. Now, can't sign guys. Now
I won't sign Michael.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
What do you make of this? Of all that the.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Badness, as they will say, Jerry will be Jerry and
if nothing else, Jerry knows enough.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yeah, well we're right about that.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
But again, if you're a Cowboys fan, you got anything
for all the popularity, for all the money the franchise were,
for all the star players we have, we haven't won
a title since ninety five?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Do you know what? I think? I'm all with that though,
because I would say it like this, If they win,
they will talk about us, and if they never win again,
they would talk about us. So I think my guys
sit in a great space. I think the thing most
about the Dallas Cowboys and what Jerry thought he could do.
(24:19):
That general matters and he hasn't figured it out. You know,
he needs to allow even to do his thing and
bring in people who understand players. You know. You look
at what happened, you know with the commanders and how
they went in there and turn that thing around is
(24:40):
because it's really having relationships with players and separating business,
which he is probably one of the best when it
comes to marketing and getting the job done. I will
never put nobody before him in that aspect. He's taking
the NFL and that franchise to a whole different level.
But when it comes to football, even though he's just
(25:03):
as much as a fan as a general manager, you
can't be a fan as a general manager.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
That's what he is, James. I love that.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I love that you still when you talk about the
Cowboy you still say us.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I hear that, I hear that pride. I hear that
pride when you speak about it.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
They just got off the phone with Dan Woodson.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
The Woods Guy. Now I want to ask I want
to ask you about that.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Though you're on that team when they came up and
started to find their groove again and win win a
couple of championships with that team.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
I want to talk.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
About the dynamic of that team in that locker room
and somebody you got any fun stories about how you
guys were able to turn that corner and and and
finally find your groove under oner Jimmy Johnson, I mean.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
The thing is is that you know, Jimmy knew what
he was putting together. Jimmy had a formula of characters
and everybody had to play their world. Unfortunately, league, some
people have to be the villain, and I was one
of the villains. And you know, my role was to
be the enforcers, you know, and I was the bodyguard.
(26:10):
And I was that guy back in the day where
you know, I set the tone on who I hit,
how I hit, and how I make plays. You know,
rules were a little different. I couldn't play in this
league today because you know, you're going with it right,
so it's like, God leave, you know, I can't play
(26:32):
the tet football part. But what I'm where it goes
is that one thing that I love and I still
love to this day. We played for each other. We
did not play for coaches, we did not play for fans.
We held each other accountable, even though you know we
(26:55):
had some wild time to do it in the dad.
We protected each other and we still do that to
this day. And the fact is is that we knew
how to do it both. We knew how to do
it on the field, we knew how to do it
off the field, you know, And it's not untill a
lot of the veterans end up, you know, being cast away,
(27:19):
that it got out of hand. But when if you
look at the time when we were at our peak,
you could see if we go out, it's not just
one or two dudes. I mean the club. You know,
you got a roster of fifty three and you might
have twenty dudes all together at one time most of
(27:41):
the time because we played for each other and our
friendship in our bonds has lasted a lifetime.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I love that, Love that for sure.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
James Washington two times Super Bowl CHAMPI with the Dallas Cowboys,
our guests on the I Couple COVID Washington, k Rose
in for Rob did you get.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Speaking of Rob, did you get robbed of the MVP?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
In?
Speaker 5 (28:02):
I think I think, I think I got robbed, But
I still think that it just should have been a
co MVP. That's like before, I mean, Emmett deserves his
piece because it doesn't happen because Troy was definitely off
his game, you know, after having that concussion and burdline
getting it done and get us there, you know, and
being able to you know, then Bernie cos Our steps
(28:24):
in and handle his business when we needed him the
most to get us there. And you know, so you
got to think about every time, you know, we a
guy went down, a guy stepped up, and even though
at that point in time, in that particular super Bowl,
you know, Troy wasn't Troy.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I'm Jason cutting you off right now. I gotta cut
you off because you're being too modest. Eleven tackles, forced fumble,
they ended up being a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
What more?
Speaker 5 (28:58):
I mean, what more do they want from you?
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yourself?
Speaker 5 (29:03):
And they want they wanted my first born.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
You remember how I told you they can't let the villain.
Oh yeah, Villa see the MVP of the Super Bowl. Okay, okay,
let's let's go back to you.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
Let's do this. Super Bowl twenty seven. Super Bowl twenty seven,
we have nine turnovers. Ken Norton played out of.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
His mind and they gave the MVP to an offensive guys.
We set a Super Bowl record that still stand to
this day.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Man, Ken Norton, Ken Norton.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Saying, you see what I'm saying, Ken Norton Jr. You
see what I'm going with it? And understanding that, man,
it's if you're gonna look at the doctor mentary. I'm
trying to figure out that we play defense documentary.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
About they ain't saying nothing about.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
It, right, I mean, actually, it must have been three amigo's.
They played offense defense and then Dion showed up and
had his worst year. It does.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
That is funny.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Well, listen, that's why I'm giving you your props right now.
Man eleven tackles crazy interception of force fumble fumble recovery
for touchdown. I mean, my gosh, that's easily in VP
status right there. We only got a minute or so here.
Aside from the Cowboys, who are you liking right now?
Who are you saying this team? I like what they're about.
I like what they're building and maybe going into the season,
(30:32):
you say, you know, I'm either rooting for them or
thinking they may be able to get you.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
A super I'm always rooting for the cow We.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Know that, we know that that was a Cowboys aside.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Hey hey, I'm one of those delusional fans as well.
But you know who I like though. I like what
they're doing up in Washington, Okay, I think the MT
You know, when you look at the NFC, I like
what they're building. I like what they've done in the
draft and bringing players in there that's playing for each other.
(31:06):
Philadelphia is gonna as long as they got the nucleus
of what they're doing, it's gonna be hard for people
just to just beat them up because they when you
have an offensive line and a defensive line that plays
good football, man, it's difficult in the league. And plus
they're playing flag anyway, so it's the slaughter of being
(31:30):
able to out maneuver everybody.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
He said they're playing flag carry they are. It's a
glorify five version the flag. Yeah, yeah, where I'm going
with it?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Hey, rob Gi, we about to get I'm gonna get
out of the studio. Safety's ready to light me up
right now? Hey man, James, we appreciate you as always.
Thank you for your time, brother, and I'm definitely I
told Roger I'm gonna make sure I get you number,
will reach out to.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
You, all right.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I appreciate you, all right, James, all right, appreciate you.
Jay dumb Kub JDub.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
You know how we doing. It's Washington's Yeah. And by
the way, man, I ain't gonna lie every time I
see you.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
What's up? How your arms get so big?
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Man?
Speaker 4 (32:09):
What the heck.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Come on, man, man, just just working out, man, just
working out, but very definitely with your forearm when you
were attacking people, when you were in safety.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Come on, man, why are you doing me like that
right now? You know I don't like I don't like that.
I don't like it. You know what it is? You also,
you know how speaks it funny about you. Rob.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
You can attest Alex can attest what you're the like
most nicest. That's coom bay. Y'all all come together, Let's
make songs about the heart and love and but in
order to play safe, you gotta have a crazy mean
streak in you, Like James was just saying there one hundred,
but that every now and again I see y'all, I
twitch a little bit. I see ya eye get a
(32:47):
little crazy eye, and I'm like, oh, there it is.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Don't let this. Oh we love each other.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
I love your heart and your Every now and again
I see the crazy come out. Hey, I am still
capable of letting that out. Okay, sure you gotta have it.
You cannot abandon that. That's part of That's that man,
that's that vibe, that's that like, No, this is I'm
still in charge when I need to be and I
can do that, but no, I mean overall, man, it's
(33:14):
about it's about balancing love.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Man.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
You know that. Yeah, I know that or not.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
That's why I like, That's why I like pushing the
button every now and again. I said that week, hello everyone, Kelvin,
not again, Roberie. But then again I look at it.
Look let me back up. But he could start for
the rams right now, going down there, the charges of
somebody in staffords dress forty? Yeah, yeah, could you know
maybe maybe maybe?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Uh? What was it? What was it? We came off
the who was that came off the bench in and
won a championship? That it was?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Well, you know how many plays answering that? How many
plays if I said I'm giving you two to three
months to get into whatever football shape is, uh huh,
how many plays tell me that?
Speaker 4 (33:51):
On the other side,
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
That's right, sure, boy k Kevin Washington, Kerry Rose with
me on this trash talking Tuesday shot to everybody. Just
call it a lot of cowboy trash talking man. They
putting themselves out there to get trash because we listen.
What did he say, Alex? He said, I love the pain.
Jerry Jones, Oh yeah, I love the pain. I don't
(00:52):
think he's realizing.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
But.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Liked.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
I like the pa I like the pain.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
The problem is the cowboy fans are the ones dealing
with the pain, because you know, I mean, the commanders
can look him in the face and say we I mean,
we went it.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
You know, we went further than y'all the commanders.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Commanders fresh off of disappointing season the year before.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Commanders can look at himself, but we have. We are
more optimistic now.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Obviously the season has to play itself out, but they
can look at themselves. The Lions, the forty nine Ers,
the Rams, like all these seams in the NFC have
had more success lately.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
And I know that.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
And the Cowboy fans gotta be like, it don't make
no sense. We the Cowboys, why not us? Well, he
liked the pain. The pain is suffering, all right, James
Washington speaking of Cowboys, two times Super Bowl champ with
the Dallas Cowboys. Gonna join us here at the bottom
of the hour nine thirty on the East six thirty
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(01:50):
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Speaker 4 (02:29):
All right, So I believe it was me and you,
Rob G.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
We're tiving some college football quarterback conversations because there was
a new, uh, I don't know what to call it,
like a survey or list that came out, and it
was putting Tim Tebow as the greatest college quarterback of
all time?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Real quick? Any issues with.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
That greatest college quarterback of all time? Yeah, of course
I have issues with that. Hold up, what you say?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
All right? What's since? What of the no? Ain't no criteria?
Is your criteria? My cut here? Whatever? It is the
best college quarterback ever.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Because I thought we were going to just move on,
but now I got to park the car right here. Obviously,
you had that great season. The numbers were crazy, but
two season though, disrespect him like that. First of all,
you don't have it was it was it was okay,
it was a year, like a year and a half Okay,
so that's fine. Then who was better? Who's better than
Tim Tebow quarterback? We can name plenty who carry don't
(03:21):
want to go to heaven? You don't want to, we
can name plenty. I mean, Vince Young had a great
So Vince Young was number two. If I'm not a
second team cour Yeah, it was all a p I
believe it was. And they had Tim Tebow as number
one and Vince was there second. So I'm not mad
that magical run that with that dude crazy. I mentioned
(03:43):
it when we talked about it. I said that game
against USC is one of my favorite games any sport.
I'm talking any sport. I don't care if it's a
match in tennis, if it's a sport. That game Texas
USC was phenomenal. Right, continue, you said plenty, Mark Jackson
as well was better than this. This is no, no, no, no,
We're we're talking about just quarterbacks and their play. If
(04:06):
if if Lamar Jackson on that Florida team, they don't
win the championship.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I'm just saying, so like quarterback play, college is different.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I'm serious, though, I can't just give you that what
he mean, even though I know Lamar is a better
player with out of doubt, meaning what Tim Tebow was
Tim Tebow was able to do was even just beyond Kelvin,
Like he was a grown man against boys. That that's
why when he got to the pros, it didn't matter
as much because being a grown man, we all grow in.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
What that's you got, Kelvin.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
If Lamar Jackson on the Florida team, they went back
to back, I mean they won one in Florida with
t Bow the dint when Lamar Jackson is it's hard
because he's a better player. But that's what I'm saying. No, no,
I'm saying he's a but I don't know that he
was a better college players. So what I'm saying why
they both won, they both won. Heismans if Lamar was
in Florida, but they win. It had two championships. One
(04:56):
was his, one was you know, he was on the team,
but one was his. Yeah, when he started, the lost
and then they won. That's that's right, that's fine. But
I'm just saying, so this is a hold on.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
So winning the championship don't even mean nothing to carry
it does. But I'm saying if Lamar was in that's
with that team they win. It's not like.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Anybody says Lamar Jackson is a better college and whatnot?
Why not college? They both won Heisman trophies. It's not
like something where Okay, Lamorrow, Eric Couch wanted Heisman. If
you want to just go based on Eric, you know
what I'm saying. You can't just go based off symbols.
So and so when Heisman and I'm just a lot
of quarterbacks. I'm just I'm stacking the comparables both Jason
(05:37):
White win one or something with Oklahoma, yeah I think
did I think?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Did I think it there?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
With Oklahoma?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Uh but no, man, look Tim t Bow. I'm not
trying to discredit them all. I'm not there said plenty.
There are plenty quarterbacks that are better quarterbacks than him.
I can name a lot of them. I mean, Carson
Palmer in US he was better. I'm not saying he's
gonna be when this is the problem, I can't have
this conversation with carry Well he played in the He's
looking at it from a who was the better literal quarterback?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Meaning what it says they're saying. You know, they'll get me.
Let me quit it. Okay, Christian Laightoner. Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
If I say it was the best college player ever,
you're gonna be like, oh man, because you your brain
just thinks total basketball. Yes, but Christian Latner could make
a case. There's five, six, seven other people who could
make a case. Obviously Luil Sender turned Kareem could make it.
Dave Thompson could make a case. You know, so on
is a pistol. P can make a case. So I'm
not Ralph Thompsons. Ralph Samson can makee that's a great one.
(06:34):
So my point is, I think you're looking at like
Carson Palmer did not have a better college career than
Tim Tebow. He is the better quarterback. That's right, that's
my But that's the question. You know, the question was
collegiate quarterback. Yes, collegiate.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
But that's the point. No, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
That's where it gets tricky because obviously Tim Tebow was
the right player for that team, right, And that's my
I would say that one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
There's no that's what I'm saying. It's no hate.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
But when you this, we're supposed to go rob. If
you say quarterback, I'm gonna say he is not the
best quarterback in college.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
He just he just wasn't well best and greater two
different words. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
It's did he have the greatest career of any college quarterback?
The greatest career? Because because Dubb said definitively yes, and
he's not. That's not that.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And I said Tommy Frazier, see I love Tommy as well. No,
I smoked him with Tommy. We smoked the Tommy. I
didn't bring him up, yeah, because I was listening to
Rob Jenny and again I was, okay, Rob, you know
you're trying, you're fighting hard. Then we started digging in
those numbers and I'm like, yeah, total of like I
have to pull the dumb well.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
The numbers are crazy. They get bigger, and those numbers
were like quadriple. He wasn't really like seriously like Tommy's
most was like seventeen hundred passing yards.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
He didn't pass a lot, yeah, which were be fine.
Then I'm gonna need you to have like twenty five
hundred Russian something. Gotta have a thousand rushing yeah, But
it was like, like so the Tebow and you know
Tebow's numbers would create like eighty eight passing touchdowns, Tommy
Frazer had like fifteen in his career, and Roger was
trying to cook a TV dinner. You wouldn't, so I
(08:19):
was just sitting there, like, hold on, it's Tim Tebow again.
There's a couple of other people, you said, playing out.
I think there's a couple of other people you could name.
I wouldn't be mad at I would get but it's
all encompassing. It's it's to me, the winning the Heisman,
the magical moments, not just great because you could be
just somebody puts some numbers like I don't really remember,
like him the blood coming down and yelling at the team,
(08:41):
like he is magically perfect for the three. Yes, And
I think that why is why it plays role similarly
to some other player, Like I said, if you want
to cre sate Christian Laightner, it's like we all know
Shack was better, yes, but for college Christian in that moment,
he was great.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
So you know, I thought we were gonna be able
to get to with the real topic was supposed to be.
I didn't know you weren't gonna get fired up over
here about Tim t And I'm not down with you.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Hello, Rob, you let me pull up.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
My robb gi emails what we had back and forth,
because then this is where I was. I had to
pull up on Robb G because he was trying to
talk Tommy Frazer, who was incredible and was fun as
heck to watch. I love that team. Nothing one as
heck to watch. But I'm like, all right, hold on now,
now i gotta pull up all these stats again to
find because again, when you started looking at the accomplishments
of Tim Tebow's actually ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
No, all right, hit me with you got it?
Speaker 6 (09:30):
So Tim Tebow at Florida completed sixty seven percent of
his passes. Yeah, nin eighty six yards, eighty eight touchdowns,
sixteen picks. Also added just under three thousand rushing yards
fifty seven rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Wait, how many years did he start, robs it? Two
and a half?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Two and a half, bro, that's crazy, he bowled out. No,
I stopped trying to tell me who's in the NFL
Hall of Fame. I'm not asking you that, Carrie.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
I know that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
If that's the case, just say, anybody who's ever been
a throw of the football except Anthony Richards it's a
better quarterback and was on the team for the first
now check but again that was Chris.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yeah, that was right.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Yeah, he wins it himself a couple of years later
and they started out thirteen and oh in two thousand
and nine before losing the Sea Championship game and he
didn't get.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
A chance for the third one. That's insane.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
You had a great career, it is. So I'm not
asking you. You should have said it the Dan Marino.
You should have said it differently. Count Kelvin, I think
I just broke it down and he said, like the
because all ap team, and that was what it was,
and it had all they paid the quarterback and Vince
was second on that. Yes, because I think again when
(10:42):
you're looking at the totality of the career, Yeah, when
you said those numbers, those numbers Evince not getting the Heisman, Yeah,
who got a Reggie?
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Reggie that year?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, because that's why I was gonna we're talking about
like then the year before it was Liner. Yes, I
thought Liner, could you know, want to have some little
something to say with that? Maybe now his career is
crazy insane, Right, That's what I'm saying. There's a lot
of quarterbacks that were insane. Now, but Tim Tebow's run
I did they were crazy. Eighty eight passing touchdowns? Was
(11:13):
it fifty rushing fifty seven? Bro Listen, those those passing
touchdown was those little pop pass.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
They was sure he went throwing the ball down the field.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
You are nobody is saying Tim Tebow was the when
I'm designing a quarterback, who do I want?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
It seems like it seems like that.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
What we're saying was his college career was out of
a video game. It was in insane. It was no
it was now pro quarterback. He was a he was
a fullback at best. He saw how that worked. That
was ugly. It was that was likely quarterback plays. So
you talk about.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Jesus gave him a value.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Jesus said, I'm gonna give you one playoff win, so
that forever you can show your fans that's a big man.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Say yo.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
He did beat the Steelers and then they get to
go dang. They did it Kevin pat Man through a
six yard slant. They cut it up the yard seventy
of the rest of it running the late great the
Marius Marus Thomas. It was the Mary Thomas. He cut
that thing up now, Tim t Bugget Yeah, well, shoot,
I had a I had a walk off home run.
(12:16):
He's telling his son, you know, past pass he got
a sign No daughter, right, he just had a newborn.
I don't know telling this newborn right now? Dad, Dad
was the real deal. Yeah, I beat the stealers. Don't
ever let them tell you. Heman exactly. It's gonna be
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Speaker 4 (12:37):
Wow, No, I get it, he bawled. He did. But
carry got nine dudes with Garry, got got nine dudes.
It was better than him because they are You guys
know it too. We're not questioning if they're better. Yes
we are. You said the bout and the pro.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
We're saying collegiate career, which by the way, wasn't even
what I.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Was to be asking you. No, I gotta ask you what.
I gotta ask you. What's going on? There's somebody else.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Who is getting his jersey retired at his alma manor,
and the question is is he may be the best
college player ever period position, no matter the position. Okay,
we'll ask you that next if you let me get
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It is the way tire buying should be. All right, Roger,
you let's get into what we we were supposed to
talk about. Just Cam Newton getting his number retired at
the at Auburn, which you know deservedly so. And he
had an incredible Heisman campaign in winning a national championship
as well. You had those numbers. It was about forty
seven hundred yards forty three forty three hundred yards, fifty
(15:19):
touchdowns and an interesting note, by the way, no other
offensive player was drafted that year, so he wasn't like
throwing a Justin Jefferson and this guy and Chase and
you know. However, it was just throwing a bunch of guys.
Like sometimes you look up and you realize a lot
of these quarterbacks, You're like, Dany, look at that resimbles
that receiver university because they get to throw all these
guys like Joe Burrows, Ohio guys and those guy ye
(15:41):
Ohio State to another school that always has a bunch
of receivers. He was throwing it just guys, you know,
and obviously was able to drag a team to the
National championship one game, being's Alabama was down twenty four
to nothing, came back and won.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I think it was twenty eight twenty seven. So that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
So the question becomes is Cam Newton And obviously he
didn't have the long totality career some other players, but
just that year alone, was that like the greatest player
you'd ever seen. Tim Tebow was specifically because the AP
said he was the best college quarterback. We're saying all positions, yeah, quarterback, receiver,
just what you saw, oh Man I'll tell you what
(16:18):
that Cam Newton Auburn team and the performers that Cam
Newton had as a solo player carrying a team. You
just stated it, right. No other player on his offense
was NFL good, right. So the fact that he carried
a team we always talk about quarterbacks are supposed to
elevate their offenses and elevate their team. Well, this was
(16:39):
the ultimate case of that, right. So kudos to Cam
for an amazing season and that year was spectacular watching him.
It was must see TV, must see football. But but
but to say the best player in NCAA history, I'm
not going to go that far. There's been so many
talented players, I mean, extremely talented, gifted players I've played
(17:00):
against and I've seen in my time playing. I mean,
there was a Reggie bus season season in USC. There
was the Charles Woodson one in Michigan that we that
we talked about a lot, Johnny Manziel the one the
one season, and like it was, he was so many
man So Randy Moss at Marshall was one. And I
know somebody's gonna say it was Marshall. I think we
know how that worked out when he got to the pros.
(17:20):
I mean it would have been in Florida State. Remember
what he got in trouble. I think Florida State was
the weed. If I'm not mistaken it was, which, by
the way.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Not dude.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
We get the thirty for thirty on what could have
been for people who got into weed. Trouble that now
it's so legal and I'm walking around LA and people
just smoking up, sparking up in your face, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
We had ruined so many people's lives and careers just weed.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And I'm not I'm not a weed advocate for saying,
but I'm saying it was now I was just ain't
a little joint whenever that's how.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
People view it.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yeah, and so many people lost their careers or their
money or the opportunities because of that. Yeah. Uh, that's
amazing to me. But Randy Moss, what he was doing
at Marshall was absurd, too crazy, and I go, some,
oh man, that was just mark. I had he would
have been all right at Florida State. In fact, you
could arguemente for them better because it would have been
you know, no, it's quarterback with a chin chap. But
I'm saying, thinking the whole, the offense line, the other receivers,
(18:09):
the quarter like he would have had such an amazing
team that we might have really seen him getting busy.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
So but he had a good one.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
But another throw one out here, and you got shut
up in advance, you and Rob g okay, Oh you
got Barry Sanders.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Oh, I know you're gonna say, because I'm biased.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
No, the man had thirty seven rushing touchdowns in a season.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I'm surprised it ain't scored more. Thirty seven touchdowns in
one season is crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
It's crazy coupled with two more touchdowns and the bull
return and kick return. Really, and they didn't even keep
stats for ball games. Then the man at another one?
Was it rob two thirty and another three touchdowns?
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Or five?
Speaker 5 (18:52):
No?
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Five touchdowns?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
That is insane and not to mention aesthetically pleasing. For
those of you don't know, please go watch what Barry
Sanders will doing. I mean, you're at work right now,
you listen to the pod, or you're listening to his
live and kids are playing around and the wife is
on the phone.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
You got some time, Please go look at what Barry
Sanders are doing.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Oklahoma State, go look at the highlights, he averaged almost
eight yards of carry. Dude, I'm surprised it wasn't more
just how dynamic he was on the pro level. The
fact that some of those college kids would making tackles
on him, I'm actually they weren't.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
He just ran out of real estate.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
He just ran out of really yeah, dude, crazy, Go
back and look at Barry Sanders college. That might be
one of the more understated careers of any sport college career.
Why do you think that's the case, Because I would
argue the pro because the post could argue he's the
best running back ever, so you know, Walter paying him,
Jim Brown kind of those frees and if you want
(19:47):
to throw him in, But like.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Because he was that prolific.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Typically Heisman Trophy winners don't often pan out in the NFL,
So I think him actually panting out being better probably
been better than and being maybe even better that that.
I think that's why it was, like we think of Barry,
you're only thinking of the NFL.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Barry in college was bananas.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
But again, he was doing most people you don't get
to do, like Reggie Bush. We all agree, one of
the most aesthetically like just wow, it was amazing to watch. Yea,
he had highlights in the NFL handful of him for sure,
but he wasn't that he did not pan out that way.
I'm gonna throw something to you real quick, Okay. Do
you think it would have been different and we'd be
talking about that season Barry sent the season in particular
(20:32):
if it was the social media real.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Like with all the clips.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, you're right, things were kind of regional or natural
if you had to catch a quick little highlight of it,
and they just might even show a ticker, you know,
two eighty three touchdown you go, oh wow, you know, okay,
move on exactly if we saw because again, it wasn't
just the numbers, it was how he was doing.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You what is this?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And all the shares that would have got on social
media would have been sharing to yo, this is crazy.
It's a good point because it's made some people more
famous than they should be. Yes, you're like, all right,
settle down, I get exactly and you know, and then
also on the flip side, can hurt you know, it's
hurt some people because they maybe aren't as social media
highlight worthy, right, you know, like Yoki's maybe some of
(21:17):
the average person doesn't understand how good Yoki is because
it's not necessarily a great highlight exactly him jumping out
the wrong foot, slingshot over his head. But you're like, yo,
I'm telling you got to watch the game right to
know how good he is. Yeah, you know, all right,
James Washington, we can ask him this question too. That's
obviously he plays some college ball, two time super Bowl
champ with the Dallas Cowboys, getting ready to join us
(21:38):
in a moment, Looking forward to chat with him right now,
Steven Seger.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple
with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm Eastern,
four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Carrie Rose is in for Rob Kelvin Washington on The
Trash Talk on Tuesday, and we are joined now by
James Washington to time Super Bowl champion Dallas Cowboys, also
in the America's Team new documentary on Netflix. So get
his thoughts on that in just a moment. James, what's uping?
How you doing? Oh?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Man? You know I'm chilling like a villain man, just
living my best life.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah, I love it, man, now and and I'm trying
to remember we ran into each other somewhere, uh, because
you know I do the news out here in La Special.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
I know you the dude that never called me back. Oh,
big time, big.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Time James, call him Ount James, Call the Mount James, James.
I gotta come see you got the Do you still
got the restaurant?
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I don't do the restaurant no more, man, I mean
you know, you know Donald Trumping, and that's all my
business up.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Well, listen, man, I just do you know.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
I'm the president of the Rose Bowl Attitude here handles
all the community service that comes out of the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 9 (22:55):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
We got to get you on the show man with
the spectrum, Man, if you do all the great stuff
you're doing, COMMUNI let's.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Let's do that.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Offt Off, I'm gonna get your number again, off from
Robb g here, off off the Michael.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
We'll make that happen for sure. We had a good
time chopping it up. Boys. Let's talk about this.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
You played with the Cowboys, obviously, you know all the
fanfare that comes with it and everything. What's it like
playing under Jerry Jones and then obviously being in a
lump and just being part of that franchise, watching how
he's conducted himself thirty some years later. Where can't get
to the NFC Championship game. Now, can't sign guys. Now
I won't sign Michael.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
What do you make of this? Of all that the.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Badness, as they will say, Jerry will be Jerry and
if nothing else, Jerry knows enough.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yeah, well we're right about that.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
But again, if you're a Cowboys fan, you got anything
for all the popularity, for all the money the franchise were,
for all the star players we have, we haven't won
a title since ninety five?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Do you know what? I think? I'm all with that though,
because I would say it like this, If they win,
they will talk about us, and if they never win again,
they would talk about us. So I think my guys
sit in a great space. I think the thing most
about the Dallas Cowboys and what Jerry thought he could do.
(24:19):
That general matters and he hasn't figured it out. You know,
he needs to allow even to do his thing and
bring in people who understand players. You know. You look
at what happened, you know with the commanders and how
they went in there and turn that thing around is
(24:40):
because it's really having relationships with players and separating business,
which he is probably one of the best when it
comes to marketing and getting the job done. I will
never put nobody before him in that aspect. He's taking
the NFL and that franchise to a whole different level.
But when it comes to football, even though he's just
(25:03):
as much as a fan as a general manager, you
can't be a fan as a general manager.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
That's what he is, James. I love that.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I love that you still when you talk about the
Cowboy you still say us.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I hear that, I hear that pride. I hear that
pride when you speak about it.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
They just got off the phone with Dan Woodson.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
The Woods Guy. Now I want to ask I want
to ask you about that.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Though you're on that team when they came up and
started to find their groove again and win win a
couple of championships with that team.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
I want to talk.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
About the dynamic of that team in that locker room
and somebody you got any fun stories about how you
guys were able to turn that corner and and and
finally find your groove under oner Jimmy Johnson, I mean.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
The thing is is that you know, Jimmy knew what
he was putting together. Jimmy had a formula of characters
and everybody had to play their world. Unfortunately, league, some
people have to be the villain, and I was one
of the villains. And you know, my role was to
be the enforcers, you know, and I was the bodyguard.
(26:10):
And I was that guy back in the day where
you know, I set the tone on who I hit,
how I hit, and how I make plays. You know,
rules were a little different. I couldn't play in this
league today because you know, you're going with it right,
so it's like, God leave, you know, I can't play
(26:32):
the tet football part. But what I'm where it goes
is that one thing that I love and I still
love to this day. We played for each other. We
did not play for coaches, we did not play for fans.
We held each other accountable, even though you know we
(26:55):
had some wild time to do it in the dad.
We protected each other and we still do that to
this day. And the fact is is that we knew
how to do it both. We knew how to do
it on the field, we knew how to do it
off the field, you know, And it's not untill a
lot of the veterans end up, you know, being cast away,
(27:19):
that it got out of hand. But when if you
look at the time when we were at our peak,
you could see if we go out, it's not just
one or two dudes. I mean the club. You know,
you got a roster of fifty three and you might
have twenty dudes all together at one time most of
(27:41):
the time because we played for each other and our
friendship in our bonds has lasted a lifetime.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I love that, Love that for sure.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
James Washington two times Super Bowl CHAMPI with the Dallas Cowboys,
our guests on the I Couple COVID Washington, k Rose
in for Rob did you get.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Speaking of Rob, did you get robbed of the MVP?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
In?
Speaker 5 (28:02):
I think I think, I think I got robbed, But
I still think that it just should have been a
co MVP. That's like before, I mean, Emmett deserves his
piece because it doesn't happen because Troy was definitely off
his game, you know, after having that concussion and burdline
getting it done and get us there, you know, and
being able to you know, then Bernie cos Our steps
(28:24):
in and handle his business when we needed him the
most to get us there. And you know, so you
got to think about every time, you know, we a
guy went down, a guy stepped up, and even though
at that point in time, in that particular super Bowl,
you know, Troy wasn't Troy.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I'm Jason cutting you off right now. I gotta cut
you off because you're being too modest. Eleven tackles, forced fumble,
they ended up being a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
What more?
Speaker 5 (28:58):
I mean, what more do they want from you?
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yourself?
Speaker 5 (29:03):
And they want they wanted my first born.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
You remember how I told you they can't let the villain.
Oh yeah, Villa see the MVP of the Super Bowl. Okay, okay,
let's let's go back to you.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
Let's do this. Super Bowl twenty seven. Super Bowl twenty seven,
we have nine turnovers. Ken Norton played out of.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
His mind and they gave the MVP to an offensive guys.
We set a Super Bowl record that still stand to
this day.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Man, Ken Norton, Ken Norton.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Saying, you see what I'm saying, Ken Norton Jr. You
see what I'm going with it? And understanding that, man,
it's if you're gonna look at the doctor mentary. I'm
trying to figure out that we play defense documentary.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
About they ain't saying nothing about.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
It, right, I mean, actually, it must have been three amigo's.
They played offense defense and then Dion showed up and
had his worst year. It does.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
That is funny.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Well, listen, that's why I'm giving you your props right now.
Man eleven tackles crazy interception of force fumble fumble recovery
for touchdown. I mean, my gosh, that's easily in VP
status right there. We only got a minute or so here.
Aside from the Cowboys, who are you liking right now?
Who are you saying this team? I like what they're about.
I like what they're building and maybe going into the season,
(30:32):
you say, you know, I'm either rooting for them or
thinking they may be able to get you.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
A super I'm always rooting for the cow We.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Know that, we know that that was a Cowboys aside.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Hey hey, I'm one of those delusional fans as well.
But you know who I like though. I like what
they're doing up in Washington, Okay, I think the MT
You know, when you look at the NFC, I like
what they're building. I like what they've done in the
draft and bringing players in there that's playing for each other.
(31:06):
Philadelphia is gonna as long as they got the nucleus
of what they're doing, it's gonna be hard for people
just to just beat them up because they when you
have an offensive line and a defensive line that plays
good football, man, it's difficult in the league. And plus
they're playing flag anyway, so it's the slaughter of being
(31:30):
able to out maneuver everybody.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
He said they're playing flag carry they are. It's a
glorify five version the flag. Yeah, yeah, where I'm going
with it?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Hey, rob Gi, we about to get I'm gonna get
out of the studio. Safety's ready to light me up
right now? Hey man, James, we appreciate you as always.
Thank you for your time, brother, and I'm definitely I
told Roger I'm gonna make sure I get you number,
will reach out to.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
You, all right.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I appreciate you, all right, James, all right, appreciate you.
Jay dumb Kub JDub.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
You know how we doing. It's Washington's Yeah. And by
the way, man, I ain't gonna lie every time I
see you.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
What's up? How your arms get so big?
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Man?
Speaker 4 (32:09):
What the heck.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Come on, man, man, just just working out, man, just
working out, but very definitely with your forearm when you
were attacking people, when you were in safety.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Come on, man, why are you doing me like that
right now? You know I don't like I don't like that.
I don't like it. You know what it is? You also,
you know how speaks it funny about you. Rob.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
You can attest Alex can attest what you're the like
most nicest. That's coom bay. Y'all all come together, Let's
make songs about the heart and love and but in
order to play safe, you gotta have a crazy mean
streak in you, Like James was just saying there one hundred,
but that every now and again I see y'all, I
twitch a little bit. I see ya eye get a
(32:47):
little crazy eye, and I'm like, oh, there it is.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Don't let this. Oh we love each other.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
I love your heart and your Every now and again
I see the crazy come out. Hey, I am still
capable of letting that out. Okay, sure you gotta have it.
You cannot abandon that. That's part of That's that man,
that's that vibe, that's that like, No, this is I'm
still in charge when I need to be and I
can do that, but no, I mean overall, man, it's
(33:14):
about it's about balancing love.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Man.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
You know that. Yeah, I know that or not.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
That's why I like, That's why I like pushing the
button every now and again. I said that week, hello everyone, Kelvin,
not again, Roberie. But then again I look at it.
Look let me back up. But he could start for
the rams right now, going down there, the charges of
somebody in staffords dress forty? Yeah, yeah, could you know
maybe maybe maybe?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Uh? What was it? What was it? We came off
the who was that came off the bench in and
won a championship? That it was?
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Well, you know how many plays answering that? How many
plays if I said I'm giving you two to three
months to get into whatever football shape is, uh huh,
how many plays tell me that?
Speaker 4 (33:51):
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