June 2, 2025 • 38 mins
Rob and Kelvin argue whether Myles Turner is right when he says that the Oklahoma City Thunder and Indiana Pacers’ roster builds are the new blueprint to NBA success, and debate whether the Frank Ragnow retirement guarantees that the Detroit Lions will miss the playoffs next season.
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And we'll talk some more NBA. Yeah, more NBA talk.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
We got our finals matchup set now we know it's
gonna be the Indiana Pacers taking on Oklahoma City Thunder,
who are heavy favorites. And I mean, by all accounts,
you can understand why they're doing some things at the
historic great offensively, defensively, point differential.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's kind of crazy what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Actually, I mean you almost I should have put one
hundred dollars on them earlier in the year, just like
just based off what they're doing. But now that we
have the Eastern Conference settled in it's the Indiana Pacers,
it kind of starts to become a conversation. Robin, you
and I have talked about a little bit of kind
of where the league is right now, and I talked
about the Thunder how they're set up I believe for
at least a four or five year run, and you
(02:00):
didn't agree with me. Then in the Eastern Conference, I
would imagine the Pacers. Miles Turner specifically feels like they
could be set up and this is kind of the
new model for how you run a team.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Here's what he had to.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Say, It's a new blueprint. For the league. Man, it's
just you know, I think the years of the super
teams and you know, stacking is just not it's not
as effective as it once was. You know what I
mean As NBA since I've been in the league. You know,
the NBA is very trendy. You know, it just shifts.
But the new trend now is just kind of what
we're doing.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
See he does the same thing. You know, young guys
get out and run, defend. And you know she used
the power of friendship because how they how they call it.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
A couple of things to know here, one thing I
like that he said is not as effective. Meaning if
all of a sudden we all went to sleep tonight
and woke up and the Lakers somehow got Yiannis. Well okay,
then yeah you got Giannis Lebron and it doesn't work.
He just said it wouldn't work. No, not as effective.
There's a key thing. There's always going to be exceptions
to the rints. What he's talking what absolutely we are seeing.
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And I think it goes back before the Thunder, back
before the Pacers. I think it goes with the Celtics
and the Celtics they got rid of their Big Three.
They blew the whole thing up, and we thought this
was gonna.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Be a long overhaul.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Ended up being that they were good for years, they
just hadn't got over the hump. Then they got their
guy identified at Jason Tatum. Then they oh, shoot, we
got another guy, Jalen Brown. And then they had another
the glue guy, Marcus Smart for years, and then you
start to put pieces around them. You get a Al Horford,
you get some other, you get a Drew Holliday, you
get away from Marcus Smart, you bring in a Drew Holiday,
so on and so forth. You look at what OKC does, right.
(03:31):
They get rid of Paul George, finally get rid of
Russell Westbrook. You get rid of the guys that you
knew the stars of this league. And then they start
to build. They build a young SGA. What happens again,
We've identified our guy, and then now you start to
build around. Now you get a Jalen Williams, you get
a Chet, you get a Lou Dort who's undrafted. None
of the guys on these teams, both teams, none of
them are top two, three, four picks. It's amazing to
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see how they've been able to build this way. I
think the LOIS is like SGA like eleven, maybe Halliburton
at eleven. Everybody else is later draft picks or are
they're undrafted or the guys you brought in. And I
think we're gonna start to see this because the way
the new deal is is gonna be harder and harder
to pay these guys big money. And also think teams
got lazy. Rob It's not that if you put three
(04:14):
amazing guys together it can't work.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Teams just got lazy going will I.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Got Devin Booker, Kevin Durant's good, Bradley Bill's good. That
should work, And they're just putting people together that actually
don't fit. The Lakers go well, Lebron is good, and
Luca Okay, what else are you doing? And I think
team's gotten lazy by just simply going long as I
got two or three big names, will be good. And
I think you're starting to see teams build around make
(04:40):
really good teams. Look at Denver right when they won.
They had the best player in the world and a
really good number two in Jamal Murray and the perfect
pieces around them. KCP, Bruce Brown, Aaron Gordon, Michael Porter, junior,
spot up, shooter, rebounder, all. And that's what, to me
we're starting to see is you architect good teams. You
build a good team, You find pieces you don't necessarily
(05:02):
just go get two three big names, close your eyes
and throw them at darts and hope it works. And again,
as the way the money's going on, you're not gonna
be able to pay these guys, and you're getting guys
who are buying in where it doesn't ultimately matter who's
getting to shine a night as long as the team
is winning. And I think we're starting to see that,
And that's kind of to me gonna be the blueprint
for the next handful of years. And then the new
traint will come in. Go get a seven for six win,
(05:24):
be kind of guy. But right now, this to me
is the architect. You're seeing it with the Pacers, you're
seeing it with the Thunders, you saw it with the Celtics,
And that's to me where the league is going for
the next handful of years.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I think is totally wrong.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I mean because if I go over the list of
teams that won championships, Tatum is one of the best
players in the league.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Okay, so they have a great player.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Of course, the Nuggets won, they have one of the
great best player, the best player in the world, right,
so they had him. The Warriors when they won the
one before, they had their Steph Curry, one of the
all time great players in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
When the Bucks won, it was Jonas and Chris Middleton.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
It was a second round pick, but he was one
of the best players who won.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
When Lebron and then won, there was no Big three.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I'm going over the last six or seven years, there
wasn't a Big three.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
All right, Lebron and Ad won that championship.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
You're proven and then know what I'm saying to you
is the Big three has been out a long time ago.
They didn't just reinvent that the Big three. What big
three hasn't won in ten years?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Is my point. This isn't new.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
When Toronto won, right the Kawhi Leonard, they didn't make
any other changes.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Kawhi Leonard. I'm saying the last ten years, there had
been no.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Big three that's won a championship that's already been out.
Brooklyn failed was to me the last one where it
failed because of it and the Suns Okay and everybody
knew that.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Nobody thought when.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
They got Bill from Washington, oh well, they're gonna win
the championship.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Nobody nobody wanted them that.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
People thought they were crazy to go get another guy
who does the same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
All I'm saying is you could talk about, oh, they
just did this.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
The reason that the thunder or in the championship is
they have the MVP. They have the best player, and
often that's what it is. If you go to look
at all of these teams when they won, they've had
the best player. Now, if you're telling me the Pacers
win the championship and they and they beat uh Shae
and other.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Teams decide we don't want the MVP.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
We're gonna we're gonna build on players like that and
nobody who's the envy. And we see a streak of
that with four teams in a row win without having
the MVP on that team.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Then I'm gonna say, Okay, I see it.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
But you can't look at the last eight or nine
years and act like something new happen this year. The
best player on the best team won. When Denver won,
they're the best player with the best player on it.
You can go on and on and on, But that's
how you win.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I don't think. I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I think I view it as you're misconstruing what he's saying,
because I think it's the attempt.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I think teams are no longer.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Turn but they haven't done. But they because they've been
proven that it doesn't work. And I think you would
have said, how.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Can you say it's proven that it doesn't work when
Golden State wouldn't have won those two championships without kd
it did?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You just name that it hasn't been working, so therefore
you w it's a league doesn't work. The running did
The running back was the worst thing in the NFL
for like seven eighteen years. Now all of a sudden
everybody has started works become you and you literally your
point was it didn't work the last seven eight nine years.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
That's what we're saying.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
No, how that worked, that's not when that's not the
teams I just ran down didn't have the Warriors. They
had the Warriors the last time without Kevin Durant. I'm
going to the last go look at the NBA the
half year can't win making it like this is new. Oh, look,
OKC did something that nobody's ever done. What is the
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ground started to.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Simply go, oh, we automatically have to have these two
three best players in the NBA. They're saying, you need it, right,
That's the first thing I keep saying. Why everybody the
Celtics guy, everybody picked the Lakers and and Luca because
they got Luca. Everybody in their uncle. And the whole
point is you have to build around and create and
all you got players who can defense.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You got two star players who build a team.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
And the point is the idea that as long as
I have read guys on the team with the name gonna.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Know where to when the second round pick. And they're
talking about like Shade, this is new? Did the mill
did the Milwaukee Bucks not winning the second round pick
as this second player? Okay, so what what's new?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's the point is.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
The point is within the last half full of years,
this is the this is these teams are being produced,
and this is about moving forward. This is literally gonna
what you're gonna. This is what you're gonna see with
the Spurs. They got their guy in Winby. They gotta
Fox and then they're gonna start putting the star. What
are you talking about a star. We'll see right, he
was a number one star. Women's the number one overall.
(10:01):
Picky's a star. Don't mean nothing, okay, And all I'm
saying win is Winby. That's gonna be like they just
took anybody to build a team. No, they have a star.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Are you not listening? No, I'm listening to have a guy.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I started by saying, I dentify your guy. If you're
the Knicks, I've got my guy.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Issue with what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
The Pacers identified their guy, their pace maker, Halliburton.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
You have SG eight.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Now I have to build around and build the perfect
assets around that. I got a perfect number two guy
in the thunder jail. You know what you're trying to
make it.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
The point is Turners telling people that like this is new,
like the Thunder figured it out.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
This is what you just said blueprint.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
If they're giving you the blueprint, Milwaukee made the blueprint
four years ago.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yes, tell you what.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I'm glad you said.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yes they did because they want a championship with done
with Middle Chris Middle.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
His point is you have something that is sustainable. The
Bucks didn't have something.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
They don't know if this is a one off they
didn't even win the first champions He's talking about having youth,
having a certain mindset.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
When Chris Middleton, who was good but was old. When
you have other people Brook Lopez old, you start to
have still playing old Lebron James is playing and what
is he old?
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Plenty of repeated in seven years. But the OKC thunder
gonna win the next four.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Chance you have a I already said this last week.
They absolutely have a chance. It could be a one
off for me. They have a chance to be in
there the next two to three, win two or three
in the next six years. And that's all he say
is you built like this where you're set up to
be good for a while, that you're gonna win every year.
I'm good for a while versus I had a random
one off? And now where am I? We ain't heart
(11:53):
from the Raptors. Did you even know it's around raptors?
You won a championship. That's all about her, and no
I want to be good and have suste to be good.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I don't know because no one's winning multiple that's the history.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Can they win multiples? Can they win one? First? The
whole idea is that they've created something new.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
And what I'm trying to tell you is when you
have the best player you had, that's your chance. And
then of course you got to put other pieces around them.
But you can't build quote unquote a butler or what
was the other school that kept getting in the rob
g the other that they could have They were mid major,
always out west. Oh my god, right, like everybody the
(12:35):
old gonzagger. They got a team, they don't have, no
star player. Did they win a championship? No?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
People still waiting on win a championship.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
No.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
All I'm saying is this isn't new what Oklahoma City did.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
That's all I'm saying. That's my pushback. It's not new.
I think you're arguing semantics. No, he said that this
is a blueprint.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Wow, he's saying this style, it's the same thing that
Thunder doing it around or even knew these teams will
be in the finals. It's the same thing the Celtics
have been doing. I've been saying this for the entirety
of meeting print.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Do they have? So he's referencing their style.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It's like if this is the style, if the style
and in football is all of a sudden aired out
for seventy years. It was run three three cloud three
yards of the cloud of dust, and all of a sudden,
you like, what if we start passing it. That's a
new thing. We're gonna start right. And now you have
teams that are saying we're going to air it out.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
And now to no one, no one wants gannas, So
they're not going to add to them because they're not
going to want I don't want n They're.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Not going to add them to the team because they
have no shot to win.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Gutting your team and getting difference if I got the
entire Nicks.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
To if the Knicks get if the Knicks get Janni's
or the Lakers, they have no shot to win because
they win and put three stars and my gutting the
entire team.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I'm just asking.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I'm saying, start the Knicks with Cat and no. But
that's like, no, I'm asking you, would they have a
chance to win CAT?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So then but I can't get my whole team because
if I have to just have the those three and
nobody else, what we have seen is it doesn't work.
It doesn't work. We've just seen it the last haldful
of years. Now, if I a cherry pick who i'd
want if you give me honest, if you give me
Luca and you give me Yo Kitchen, well, then yeah,
because I'm cherry picking like that. But it doesn't work.
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When I'm gutting an entire team and just saying, well,
do use three should work? It was proven that it doesn't.
You have to have a system of an organization and
the program that everybody's buying.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
On the Pacers and the Thunder, the new blueprinting Today's.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I don't like the way you do, let me do that.
We'll continue to I don't like w I don't like
the way I told you. I don't like the way
he does that. When it ain't with you is the
other pacers and snuffle up against.
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Read let me read read what I want to hunt
you snuffle up agains in me is?
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Speaker 2 (16:20):
We'll go next year.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
When Giannis is on the Knicks. He'll say, Oh, the
Knicks was smart. They went out got Giannis and won
the championship. Yeah, if you could add a player of
that caliber, that's the way to deal with Thanks.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Like that like that, Yeah, I like that impression. Look
at you.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Come on, Dion and take my side of things. You're
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Speaker 6 (16:41):
Hey, happy, Mondy Gods, mag City Minded? Yes, Hey, guys,
you're both so right, uh Rob, nothing new on the sun.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Nothing new right.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
They're making it like they just invented the mouse trap
or something, right, And you're.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
So right in the sense where you, like you just
said the favorite, get someone a team to get Giannis.
That immediately puts them over the top. But like Kada
was saying, and what I think Turner is saying is
if you look at Houston, what they're trying to do.
Look at Memphis, they're trying to build a young quarter
that's sustainable. Indian I got all those young guys. Okay,
see none of them hadn't won anything yet, but.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
They got these young guys.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
How much about to win this year? And like look
at look at Milwaukee. They the potential was a pretty
good player, but they traded him away and got older
with Holiday. Now they won a championship, a Holiday's gone,
so they didn't build something sustainable. And I think that's
what Myles.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Turner, That's what I'm just saying here in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
And here's my point is that you can look at
it and see them on paper and really think that, Okay,
he's gonna want win four championships and they could wind
up being in one off, you know, like they really
for the call. They could well, everything worked out and
Shae was the m v P, and then next year
to go, well, I know he won the m v P,
but we don't like the way really he plays or whatever,
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and then all of a sudden he hat the m
v P. Ain't getting all the calls that he got
last this past year, you know what I mean. And
it all not that he's not a good player, but
that changes the dynamics or Giannis comes to the West
or somebody else or do you know what I'm.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Saying, or you but that's why we're getting these different
YEA wides.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Well, but that's my point, because teams are building really
good teams, so it's not just like when you had
the Pistons.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Are building building a team because they were bad for
so long, so you keep getting picks. Houston was bad
for so long right after Jay, so so you're building
teams by necessity because you were bad. All the teams
you talk about you were OKAYC you had, you got
rid of You got rid of Paul George because you know,
they offer you all these people, you had, KD whatever,
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they didn't win, so you you traded those guys away.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You got picks. So so yes, that's what you do.
As now.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Now what's different is that OKC has made it to
the championship without the taking that next step, you know,
being really good and just winning and now they're in
the finals. So that's different. But the idea that teams
don't build like the same way the Warriors build their
team was they were bad. They got Steph Curry, they
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got Draymond in the second round.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Do you know what I mean? Like, I think it's
just a little I think it's just seman g.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
I just got a question for Miles Turner for you guys,
you can answer on his behalf. I understand saying that
OKC is the blueprint because they got eleven thousand picks,
they got the MVP, and their consensus seems to be
they're going to be good for a while. Is anyone
going to point out to Miles Turner that he's been
on the trade block for four years and that they
would have traded him to the Lakers with Buddy Healed
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for Russell Westbrook if the Lakers would agree to the deal.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I think that they and that they are not.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
They were never building towards anything they actually offered. If
you recall this DeAndre ad in the Max contract to
get him out of Phoenix, and Phoenix matched the deal,
so they had no choice but to spend them money
of these other guys, So were they ever actually trying
to build something or did things kind of work out, workout,
work out in their favor and now they're this nice and.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
The right And that's that's exactly my.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I think drafting guys like him are drafting the Smith
tw eleven they trained for. You got the first in
the trade and trading for these little pieces that matter
that on paper, like, Okay, if you're a fan, even
a fan of the team is.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Like, what I'm just saying, it's not new. I mean,
I think that's My biggest pushback is like.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So you're yelling at him for a couple of years too,
Like like if you if you did the man you
thought he was thinking the last few years, you want
him to go five years, You'll never be the old
four Pistons exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Who wanted twenty twenty one like that?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Okay, he's a year off, a couple of years off,
but they wanted.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, I'm just saying that one that they ain't doing
that way.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
That's why we were last about print was the old
four Pistons with Chauncey and Rip and new Wallace brothers
and Shaw.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Do I sound like no superstars, just a good.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Team good.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Kevin somewhere smiling right, that's my boy, r keV, Kevin
and Cub City.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up
keV all the time?
Speaker 4 (21:11):
And he would be even better with some wings. I'm
just saying, Kevin, the way.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
The Pacers are laid out. I think what Miles is
saying is we moved past the Big three era of
the Dwayne Ways and Chris Bosses.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
But I agree with that, but that was years ago.
Other other than right, other than uh them getting know
them getting Bradley Beal Kevin. That's what I'm trying to say,
other than the Sun's doing that and the only reason
that the next thing, they were all injured, so they
never they played like a total of forty games or
something total like like that's all they ever played.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
But that's a part of it. I think that's the reference.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
But that doesn't mean that they wouldn't have won had
they been healthy, had had had Kevin Durant not stepped
on on the line, Milwaukee might not have won that
champion ship.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
Definitely. And I think Rob, you you were telling your
Kendrick Lamar with the Big Three, it's just it's just me.
I was like, Damn is Rob hanging out with with dot?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I tried to get him out to to pop out,
you know what I mean. He ain't want to come
with me though, you know.
Speaker 9 (22:16):
Oh no, he's got he's got the g n X five.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
I think he's we got the album.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
We have to have to, uh see if if I
park next.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
To him, I here what was being bumped in there?
That ain't it?
Speaker 8 (22:27):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Definitely. And another thing to the second apron I think
in the second Apron era, I think it's gonna be
really hard for teams to load up on superstars, So
this might I agreetunate and that's.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, that's kind of was my one of my points,
Kevin is having having not having that money at their
disposal like that, You're not gonna be able to just
give away a bunch of contracts to guy's a big guys.
So appreciate you Kevin. One day, Rob, what's he said
to get his wings from you?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
One day? One day? When are you gonna pull up
on him?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Right?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I know keV is right in Culver City, right, that's
literally right by you. Come on, keV, you made that.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
You said it with your chest out Lakers and all
that going to the final do you remember that he said?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And you can have them say grace too. That's right.
Bless my food.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
That's the food, all right, Steven Sager, what's trended?
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Speaker 1 (23:24):
Steve, appreciate you have a great night. Our couple, Rod
Parker kelvin Washington on a Magic City Monday and uh,
Rob g We got a conversation that really is early.
Here we are in the second day of June of
our Lord and say, no, it's not people want to
talk NFL but no, I know, but you want to
go here.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
We want to talk.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And we talked Kevin at kob City. Just get my
wings ready right now. The offensive line, one of the
offensive linemen for the Lions is calling it quits.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Out of the blue too, because all pro.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Everybody wants to play for Dan Campbell, you know that, right,
and his body is beating down.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Uh, tell us a little bit windows open. Why would
he want to play this ship super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
This is like the opposite of Rob doing that that
tease look outcited boy.
Speaker 10 (24:10):
Anyways, Uh, Lions All Pro pro bowler Frank ragn now
one of the best in the big I'm assuming he's
gonna be in the Hall of Fame eventually abruptly announced
his retirement on Monday on Instagram, and the reasoning he
gave was quite simple.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
He said, his bodies just can't handle it anymore now.
If anyone, especially that Ben Johnson in Chicago, but if
anybody knows about his career, he has stayed hurt basically
for four straight seasons. He had what he called was
the worst possible turf dough that he played for through
for a year and a half. He had a torn
peck that he played through. They said he had a
I think he had like a broken neck. At one
(24:46):
point He's like, I'm just gonna keep going.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
He wants to be with his family at some point, right,
I mean, I'm not mad at them, and.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
So he just said he's not feeling good, so he's
gonna retire. Obviously, we wish the best news for his retirement.
Take care of your body, take care of your meant
to hear your chicken shout out, Marshaun Lynch. But for
the purposes of this show, what does it mean for
the Detroit Lions, Because now heading into the season, they
are going to likely have two of the three new
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starters on their interior offensive line, which had been, if
not the best, one of the best offensive units in
the entire NFL. Frank Ragnell, according to Pro Football Focus,
was graded out as either the first or second best
center in each of the last three seasons.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
You know what that means, You're going to go from
rag now to raggedy. That's all the and if things
were not bad enough. His backup that they have been
to start this upcoming season is a rookie number one,
number two. He was a left guard in college.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
He has never actually played center, and the Detroit Lions,
who have aspirations of winning a Super Bowl, are going
to be counting on him to spearhead that offensive line.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It's a blow, no doubt about it. And I do
believe this is all health related. Obviously.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm sure he probably thought.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
He could play through it last year since they had
home field number one seed NFC playing a rookie quarterback,
that they were going to get to the Super Bowl
last year and he could retire. And since that did
not happen and they choked that game down at home,
you know they choked Jeff golf. Golf had what three
interceptions of fumble pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
He was trash.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
He was who people in LA saw before, so that's
why he was available. But my point is the Lions
just have another sticking point to why it's going to
be very difficult for them to get to where they want.
Too many changes, new offensive coordinated, new defensive court. I
don't care if they were in the building, because that's
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what they always trying to.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Well, they weren't in the bill. No, they weren't in charge.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
They weren't in charge, and nobody does exactly this same
thing as the person before them. They gonna build their
own right style, They own this whole idea. Is gonna
keep doing No, No, there were things that they didn't
like that the predecessor did.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Right, they want to try to fix the old do
their own thing.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Maybe the guys have more respect for the guys before
them because they had more experience and had had more success.
You're still feeling this guy out, does he really know
like he won boss before or whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So they got all.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
These other issues and now we'll find out about Dan
Campbell with new coordinators, we'll find out with this team.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Did their window shut? Because I do believe that it
did shut.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I felt that last year was and it has nothing
to do with U. I just don't think that the
window in the NFL is opened that that wide. I
really don't, especially for a team that had two opportunities.
You looking at the forty nine ers, now they just
got right. They got their quarterback and they just signed
right to a big contract.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
But the forecast is not for them to win a championship, right,
they got their quarterback. It was would you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Yeah, their forecast no longer is for the forty nine
ers to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's not. But there they got to the quarter So
here's where I'll disagree.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I do believe there are certain teams that had a
random one off for two seeds, like, oh, they had
a hand a shot. But I think when you're well
constructed and you have an identity and you know where
you're going, you can be in the mixed. The Eagles
look like they're gonna just be in the mix.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
They have been.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
They went to one, they lost, they had a season,
then they came back and won, and we fully expect
them to be good next year. And I think the Ravens,
we keep saying when they're gonna get over the humble,
but they keep being in the mix. The Bills now,
they keep being in the mix, and so to me,
so hold on. So I think with the Lions, they've
put themselves down three years in a row of being
(28:50):
really good. To the tune of fifteen and two, to
the tune that for the first time ever, you know this,
that super Bowl was a realistic expectation for them. That's
crazy to think because it's a Detroit Lions. So to me, absolutely,
I'm fully aware losing coordinators now, losing rag now that
really hurts. But I think they take a small step back.
(29:11):
But the idea that their window is closed, that's where
I don't agree disagree. Do I think they're fifteen and two?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Maybe not.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Maybe they're twelve and five now, But I don't. I
think the division is being slightly overrated. You got JJ McCarthy,
who I just keep telling people. I don't understand why
they think he was that great. I want him to
be good, and you know he went to Michigan good.
But the idea that they're going to be fifteen to
two again, I don't buy that from the Vikings. We'll
see what the Bears and who in the Packers they'll
be good for you.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Did you see Jared Golf in the biggest game of
the year.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I'm serious, No, I'm okay, okay, So so you could
have all those other pieces. The issue with Jared Golf
is when when it gets to that game that you
need him to win, he turns to go. That's why
the Rams decided we don't want him.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
He was a quarterback for.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
A team that had the fifth greatest offense in the
history of the NFL. Okay, and they got to the
super Bowl and they still passed on them because they
didn't believe he could get there. That's that's what's scary.
That's the part. That's the part that's scary if you're
a Lions fan. There was a reason he was available.
And the difference is last year you saw the Eagles,
(30:21):
they went to the Super Bowl. They lost both coordinators
right and then they fell off. They didn't get back,
and then they came back the next year, but they
got to the super Bowl with jayaln Hurts. See, the
Lions would be different if they got to the Super
Bowl against the four you know when they beat the forty,
if they would have gotten the Super Bowl and then last
year happened he had a bad game or whatever, then
(30:42):
you could buy into it. Now another year where Jared
Goff couldn't couldn't win the big game that you needed
him to win, and he was the reason why.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
It wasn't the defense. Here wasn't the defense they were
not in that.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Point for me, about a guy who's been to a
Super Bowl who expects have gone to another against the
forty nine ers and who expectations this past year were
to get to the super Bowl. So if you're telling
me all I keep talking about the super Bowls with him,
give me that guy where the expectations are deep playoff
runs in super Bowls because the idea is we're gonna
(31:15):
crack that thing one time, because otherwise we have Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
No, but have Lamar jacks Differences mar.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Jackson's underachieved are.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
But you feel Lamar Jackson MVP. I love them? Is
you feel? And by you I mean literally you and
anyone else? I do feel. He's good.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I do too.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
He's going to break it. I don't believe. I don't believe.
I don't believe in Jared goffs. I don't I get you.
Don't give me the guy who he's giving me a chance. No,
but here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
If the Ravens were to tray Lamar, then you'd have
a case when they gave up on him.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
The Rams went to the Super Bowl with Jared Goff
and said thank you, but no thank you.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
They're the ones who watched them in practice. They're the
ones who watched them in playoff game games. They're the
ones who watched them in the Super Bowl and said,
you know what, he's the missing.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
He's the weak link.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And then the Lions have home field against a rookie
quarterback nine and a half point favorites, not because they
had a solid defense, because they knew Vegas that they
could outscore the Washington Commanders. But they never figured in
that Jared Goff would went the band and throw three
(32:27):
interceptions and fumble the football. That's why Washington won. You
can talk about Jane Daniels all you want. The reason
the Lions lost that game is because their quarterback. They
didn't win the expectations. Expectations are super loss. I'll tell
(32:47):
this one been to a super Bowl, should have went
to Super Bowl Football.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Wins and losses.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Get rid of Jackson, get rid of Josh wins and
been further than both of them. He's been other than both.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Of them mbps and ain't nobody in the NFL would
take Jared Goff over either one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Only a Homer Lions fan would even.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I'm going only lost only a home when's Aric and
when's the losses are not Jared Goff?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And when's the losses?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Or not.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
They'ren't in the same breath with wins losses. I'm telling
me that Lamar was I mean that Jared was in
the m v P rates last year. Wasn't the right? Who?
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Who did I tell you was going to know? I'm
telling you Jared Goff wasn't in the m v P right,
What did I tell you he was going? That won
fifteen games? What did I tell you was going? Did
they win fifteen games? Didn't they have the number one?
Who did I tell you then they have the number
one seed in the Why can't hear me all I
can't hear you who's going with m VP? It's lost?
Like I told you for two months? Okay, just like
(33:46):
two months like I told you.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Listen to your boy Josh Allen, and I'm telling you
the Lions would be the last.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Call eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox. Louise had
a rub.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
And Hoppen arrows What I want on my wings when
the Lions make the postseason eight seven seven ninety nine
on Fox, I'll let you boys.
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Speaker 1 (34:19):
Rob, I didn't know you dropped the single. It's kind
of wild, Rob.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I did say that, did I?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I'm just saying I heard the version what you singing?
And he dropped the new single out here in the streets.
It's the our coverle Rob Parker, Kelvin Washington on the
Magic City Monday, Mary Mack on the ones and twos.
Clearly it is a Magic City Monday. All right, we're
gonna get to it now. It's side of last car.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Who we got.
Speaker 11 (34:44):
Good called? That's right, Jake in State Fall, Ja from
State Farm. You're on the out couple of Fox Sports Radio,
and you are the last call.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
Okay, I don't make the last call.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Listen.
Speaker 9 (35:05):
Yeah, you got going at it tonight like Ali and.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Bumble in a Jungle.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Hey, that's Hey, that's the passion that we have, Jake.
Speaker 9 (35:14):
Oh, you got passion tonight for everybody tonight.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Let me let me say this.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
Do you think it was a wise Minnesota Temple Wilson.
Speaker 9 (35:25):
Has always appeared to be an expansion team to me.
I know they've been around for a decade, but for.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Some reason they make certain decisions.
Speaker 9 (35:32):
Do you think that was a good choice to get
rid of Towns because they lost two very bad games against.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
The Mavericks last year when they couldn't close it out.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
They closed out those games. They're going to the finals.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Do you think he was a.
Speaker 9 (35:46):
Missing lake this year because they didn't.
Speaker 7 (35:48):
Have nothing for Okac?
Speaker 9 (35:50):
And I know the very long I used to referee
chet home where in aau and he's I mean, he's
really just he's not even done getting better that, you
know what.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
You know what's funny about that, Jake, Each team that
made that trade and they both got pretty much the
same spot to the conference, and they both kind of funny.
But they almost I bet you they said, ah, we
could have swapped. But what I mean by that is
the Knicks needed some more bruiser. They needed to rebound it.
They needed a little bit more strength, a little more girth.
That's what Randal is. Brute force can score still, but
(36:23):
more of a brute force rebinder can do that. And
then the the Timberwolves they needed some score that games
with randall seven field goal attempts at seven.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Points, they could used it.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
They had a couple of big games they could have
used more Karnthie towns more refined skills. So it's almost
funny that they swapped it. Ultimately their de minds, they
kind of needed what the other person provided. The guy
they had the last season before. I'm gonna say this
what I'm just saying, and you have an extra spicy
If I'm the Knicks with a two pieces and the biscuit.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
If I'm the Knicks, I'm ready to move on. I
don't care what they call you. They call me mister Tabs.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Sidney Poitier rolling around is great right now. Sidney Poitier
rolling around, he said this, don't be recalling me. I
lived a whole ninety some years for you to do
this to me.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
They call me, come on one more time, one more time.
Better go ahead, hit it for one more time.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Pull all.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Now, Sidney, Really you are the distinguished brother. Sidney Poorte
is rolling around right now. This is the foolishness that
you have me in.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
We got him tangling all this foolishness. You don't have it, okay.
I thought you pulled it by speaking of mister Tibbs.
They called me mister me, mister TIBs, worst hair TIBs
or Homer Simpson because that I mean, it's it's it's
it's it's a battle. It's close, it is close.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
The little the three.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Strings that you just gotta What do you do You
lick your finger, Rober You got a little swoop.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I mean you gotta go swoo what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
You know?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
You get it all nice and jailed like that? Is
that what he do he jailed at? Or is he
just licked his finger? Is what his looks worse than
this jo because it's only three hairs. Yeah, you gotta
shave it. Bruce Willis, man, Bruce will Bruce Willis, grow
beard out. You're good.
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And we'll talk some more NBA. Yeah, more NBA talk.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
We got our finals matchup set now we know it's
gonna be the Indiana Pacers taking on Oklahoma City Thunder,
who are heavy favorites. And I mean, by all accounts,
you can understand why they're doing some things at the
historic great offensively, defensively, point differential.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
It's kind of crazy what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Actually, I mean you almost I should have put one
hundred dollars on them earlier in the year, just like
just based off what they're doing. But now that we
have the Eastern Conference settled in it's the Indiana Pacers,
it kind of starts to become a conversation. Robin, you
and I have talked about a little bit of kind
of where the league is right now, and I talked
about the Thunder how they're set up I believe for
at least a four or five year run, and you
(02:00):
didn't agree with me. Then in the Eastern Conference, I
would imagine the Pacers. Miles Turner specifically feels like they
could be set up and this is kind of the
new model for how you run a team.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Here's what he had to.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Say, It's a new blueprint. For the league. Man, it's
just you know, I think the years of the super
teams and you know, stacking is just not it's not
as effective as it once was. You know what I
mean As NBA since I've been in the league. You know,
the NBA is very trendy. You know, it just shifts.
But the new trend now is just kind of what
we're doing.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
See he does the same thing. You know, young guys
get out and run, defend. And you know she used
the power of friendship because how they how they call it.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
A couple of things to know here, one thing I
like that he said is not as effective. Meaning if
all of a sudden we all went to sleep tonight
and woke up and the Lakers somehow got Yiannis. Well okay,
then yeah you got Giannis Lebron and it doesn't work.
He just said it wouldn't work. No, not as effective.
There's a key thing. There's always going to be exceptions
to the rints. What he's talking what absolutely we are seeing.
(02:59):
And I think it goes back before the Thunder, back
before the Pacers. I think it goes with the Celtics
and the Celtics they got rid of their Big Three.
They blew the whole thing up, and we thought this
was gonna.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Be a long overhaul.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Ended up being that they were good for years, they
just hadn't got over the hump. Then they got their
guy identified at Jason Tatum. Then they oh, shoot, we
got another guy, Jalen Brown. And then they had another
the glue guy, Marcus Smart for years, and then you
start to put pieces around them. You get a Al Horford,
you get some other, you get a Drew Holliday, you
get away from Marcus Smart, you bring in a Drew Holiday,
so on and so forth. You look at what OKC does, right.
(03:31):
They get rid of Paul George, finally get rid of
Russell Westbrook. You get rid of the guys that you
knew the stars of this league. And then they start
to build. They build a young SGA. What happens again,
We've identified our guy, and then now you start to
build around. Now you get a Jalen Williams, you get
a Chet, you get a Lou Dort who's undrafted. None
of the guys on these teams, both teams, none of
them are top two, three, four picks. It's amazing to
(03:53):
see how they've been able to build this way. I
think the LOIS is like SGA like eleven, maybe Halliburton
at eleven. Everybody else is later draft picks or are
they're undrafted or the guys you brought in. And I
think we're gonna start to see this because the way
the new deal is is gonna be harder and harder
to pay these guys big money. And also think teams
got lazy. Rob It's not that if you put three
(04:14):
amazing guys together it can't work.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Teams just got lazy going will I.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Got Devin Booker, Kevin Durant's good, Bradley Bill's good. That
should work, And they're just putting people together that actually
don't fit. The Lakers go well, Lebron is good, and
Luca Okay, what else are you doing? And I think
team's gotten lazy by just simply going long as I
got two or three big names, will be good. And
I think you're starting to see teams build around make
(04:40):
really good teams. Look at Denver right when they won.
They had the best player in the world and a
really good number two in Jamal Murray and the perfect
pieces around them. KCP, Bruce Brown, Aaron Gordon, Michael Porter, junior,
spot up, shooter, rebounder, all. And that's what, to me
we're starting to see is you architect good teams. You
build a good team, You find pieces you don't necessarily
(05:02):
just go get two three big names, close your eyes
and throw them at darts and hope it works. And again,
as the way the money's going on, you're not gonna
be able to pay these guys, and you're getting guys
who are buying in where it doesn't ultimately matter who's
getting to shine a night as long as the team
is winning. And I think we're starting to see that,
And that's kind of to me gonna be the blueprint
for the next handful of years. And then the new
traint will come in. Go get a seven for six win,
(05:24):
be kind of guy. But right now, this to me
is the architect. You're seeing it with the Pacers, you're
seeing it with the Thunders, you saw it with the Celtics,
And that's to me where the league is going for
the next handful of years.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I think is totally wrong.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I mean because if I go over the list of
teams that won championships, Tatum is one of the best
players in the league.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Okay, so they have a great player.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Of course, the Nuggets won, they have one of the
great best player, the best player in the world, right,
so they had him. The Warriors when they won the
one before, they had their Steph Curry, one of the
all time great players in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
When the Bucks won, it was Jonas and Chris Middleton.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
It was a second round pick, but he was one
of the best players who won.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
When Lebron and then won, there was no Big three.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I'm going over the last six or seven years, there
wasn't a Big three.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
All right, Lebron and Ad won that championship.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
You're proven and then know what I'm saying to you
is the Big three has been out a long time ago.
They didn't just reinvent that the Big three. What big
three hasn't won in ten years?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Is my point. This isn't new.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
When Toronto won, right the Kawhi Leonard, they didn't make
any other changes.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Kawhi Leonard. I'm saying the last ten years, there had
been no.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Big three that's won a championship that's already been out.
Brooklyn failed was to me the last one where it
failed because of it and the Suns Okay and everybody
knew that.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Nobody thought when.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
They got Bill from Washington, oh well, they're gonna win
the championship.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Nobody nobody wanted them that.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
People thought they were crazy to go get another guy
who does the same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
All I'm saying is you could talk about, oh, they
just did this.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
The reason that the thunder or in the championship is
they have the MVP. They have the best player, and
often that's what it is. If you go to look
at all of these teams when they won, they've had
the best player. Now, if you're telling me the Pacers
win the championship and they and they beat uh Shae
and other.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Teams decide we don't want the MVP.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
We're gonna we're gonna build on players like that and
nobody who's the envy. And we see a streak of
that with four teams in a row win without having
the MVP on that team.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Then I'm gonna say, Okay, I see it.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
But you can't look at the last eight or nine
years and act like something new happen this year. The
best player on the best team won. When Denver won,
they're the best player with the best player on it.
You can go on and on and on, But that's
how you win.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I don't think. I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I think I view it as you're misconstruing what he's saying,
because I think it's the attempt.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I think teams are no longer.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Turn but they haven't done. But they because they've been
proven that it doesn't work. And I think you would
have said, how.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Can you say it's proven that it doesn't work when
Golden State wouldn't have won those two championships without kd
it did?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You just name that it hasn't been working, so therefore
you w it's a league doesn't work. The running did
The running back was the worst thing in the NFL
for like seven eighteen years. Now all of a sudden
everybody has started works become you and you literally your
point was it didn't work the last seven eight nine years.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
That's what we're saying.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
No, how that worked, that's not when that's not the
teams I just ran down didn't have the Warriors. They
had the Warriors the last time without Kevin Durant. I'm
going to the last go look at the NBA the
half year can't win making it like this is new. Oh, look,
OKC did something that nobody's ever done. What is the
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ground started to.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Simply go, oh, we automatically have to have these two
three best players in the NBA. They're saying, you need it, right,
That's the first thing I keep saying. Why everybody the
Celtics guy, everybody picked the Lakers and and Luca because
they got Luca. Everybody in their uncle. And the whole
point is you have to build around and create and
all you got players who can defense.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You got two star players who build a team.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
And the point is the idea that as long as
I have read guys on the team with the name gonna.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Know where to when the second round pick. And they're
talking about like Shade, this is new? Did the mill
did the Milwaukee Bucks not winning the second round pick
as this second player? Okay, so what what's new?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
It's the point is.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
The point is within the last half full of years,
this is the this is these teams are being produced,
and this is about moving forward. This is literally gonna
what you're gonna. This is what you're gonna see with
the Spurs. They got their guy in Winby. They gotta
Fox and then they're gonna start putting the star. What
are you talking about a star. We'll see right, he
was a number one star. Women's the number one overall.
(10:01):
Picky's a star. Don't mean nothing, okay, And all I'm
saying win is Winby. That's gonna be like they just
took anybody to build a team. No, they have a star.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Are you not listening? No, I'm listening to have a guy.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I started by saying, I dentify your guy. If you're
the Knicks, I've got my guy.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Issue with what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
The Pacers identified their guy, their pace maker, Halliburton.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
You have SG eight.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Now I have to build around and build the perfect
assets around that. I got a perfect number two guy
in the thunder jail. You know what you're trying to
make it.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
The point is Turners telling people that like this is new,
like the Thunder figured it out.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
This is what you just said blueprint.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
If they're giving you the blueprint, Milwaukee made the blueprint
four years ago.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yes, tell you what.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
I'm glad you said.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yes they did because they want a championship with done
with Middle Chris Middle.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
His point is you have something that is sustainable. The
Bucks didn't have something.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
They don't know if this is a one off they
didn't even win the first champions He's talking about having youth,
having a certain mindset.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
When Chris Middleton, who was good but was old. When
you have other people Brook Lopez old, you start to
have still playing old Lebron James is playing and what
is he old?
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Plenty of repeated in seven years. But the OKC thunder
gonna win the next four.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Chance you have a I already said this last week.
They absolutely have a chance. It could be a one
off for me. They have a chance to be in
there the next two to three, win two or three
in the next six years. And that's all he say
is you built like this where you're set up to
be good for a while, that you're gonna win every year.
I'm good for a while versus I had a random
one off? And now where am I? We ain't heart
(11:53):
from the Raptors. Did you even know it's around raptors?
You won a championship. That's all about her, and no
I want to be good and have suste to be good.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I don't know because no one's winning multiple that's the history.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Can they win multiples? Can they win one? First? The
whole idea is that they've created something new.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
And what I'm trying to tell you is when you
have the best player you had, that's your chance. And
then of course you got to put other pieces around them.
But you can't build quote unquote a butler or what
was the other school that kept getting in the rob
g the other that they could have They were mid major,
always out west. Oh my god, right, like everybody the
(12:35):
old gonzagger. They got a team, they don't have, no
star player. Did they win a championship? No?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
People still waiting on win a championship.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
No.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
All I'm saying is this isn't new what Oklahoma City did.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
That's all I'm saying. That's my pushback. It's not new.
I think you're arguing semantics. No, he said that this
is a blueprint.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Wow, he's saying this style, it's the same thing that
Thunder doing it around or even knew these teams will
be in the finals. It's the same thing the Celtics
have been doing. I've been saying this for the entirety
of meeting print.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Do they have? So he's referencing their style.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
It's like if this is the style, if the style
and in football is all of a sudden aired out
for seventy years. It was run three three cloud three
yards of the cloud of dust, and all of a sudden,
you like, what if we start passing it. That's a
new thing. We're gonna start right. And now you have
teams that are saying we're going to air it out.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
And now to no one, no one wants gannas, So
they're not going to add to them because they're not
going to want I don't want n They're.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Not going to add them to the team because they
have no shot to win.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Gutting your team and getting difference if I got the
entire Nicks.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
To if the Knicks get if the Knicks get Janni's
or the Lakers, they have no shot to win because
they win and put three stars and my gutting the
entire team.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I'm just asking.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
I'm saying, start the Knicks with Cat and no. But
that's like, no, I'm asking you, would they have a
chance to win CAT?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So then but I can't get my whole team because
if I have to just have the those three and
nobody else, what we have seen is it doesn't work.
It doesn't work. We've just seen it the last haldful
of years. Now, if I a cherry pick who i'd
want if you give me honest, if you give me
Luca and you give me Yo Kitchen, well, then yeah,
because I'm cherry picking like that. But it doesn't work.
(14:16):
When I'm gutting an entire team and just saying, well,
do use three should work? It was proven that it doesn't.
You have to have a system of an organization and
the program that everybody's buying.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
On the Pacers and the Thunder, the new blueprinting Today's.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I don't like the way you do, let me do that.
We'll continue to I don't like w I don't like
the way I told you. I don't like the way
he does that. When it ain't with you is the
other pacers and snuffle up against.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Read let me read read what I want to hunt
you snuffle up agains in me is?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
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Speaker 1 (14:58):
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Speaker 4 (15:07):
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Speaker 2 (15:14):
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Speaker 2 (15:36):
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Speaker 2 (15:46):
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Speaker 1 (15:51):
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about mouse Tartaer believes the Pacers the thunder kind of
have the new way of formulating a team eight seven
seven ninety nine on Fox.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
We'll go next year.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
When Giannis is on the Knicks. He'll say, Oh, the
Knicks was smart. They went out got Giannis and won
the championship. Yeah, if you could add a player of
that caliber, that's the way to deal with Thanks.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Like that like that, Yeah, I like that impression. Look
at you.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Come on, Dion and take my side of things. You're
on the couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Dion?
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Hey, happy, Mondy Gods, mag City Minded? Yes, Hey, guys,
you're both so right, uh Rob, nothing new on the sun.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Nothing new right.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
They're making it like they just invented the mouse trap
or something, right, And you're.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
So right in the sense where you, like you just
said the favorite, get someone a team to get Giannis.
That immediately puts them over the top. But like Kada
was saying, and what I think Turner is saying is
if you look at Houston, what they're trying to do.
Look at Memphis, they're trying to build a young quarter
that's sustainable. Indian I got all those young guys. Okay,
see none of them hadn't won anything yet, but.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
They got these young guys.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
How much about to win this year? And like look
at look at Milwaukee. They the potential was a pretty
good player, but they traded him away and got older
with Holiday. Now they won a championship, a Holiday's gone,
so they didn't build something sustainable. And I think that's
what Myles.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Turner, That's what I'm just saying here in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
And here's my point is that you can look at
it and see them on paper and really think that, Okay,
he's gonna want win four championships and they could wind
up being in one off, you know, like they really
for the call. They could well, everything worked out and
Shae was the m v P, and then next year
to go, well, I know he won the m v P,
but we don't like the way really he plays or whatever,
(17:56):
and then all of a sudden he hat the m
v P. Ain't getting all the calls that he got
last this past year, you know what I mean. And
it all not that he's not a good player, but
that changes the dynamics or Giannis comes to the West
or somebody else or do you know what I'm.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Saying, or you but that's why we're getting these different
YEA wides.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Well, but that's my point, because teams are building really
good teams, so it's not just like when you had
the Pistons.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Are building building a team because they were bad for
so long, so you keep getting picks. Houston was bad
for so long right after Jay, so so you're building
teams by necessity because you were bad. All the teams
you talk about you were OKAYC you had, you got
rid of You got rid of Paul George because you know,
they offer you all these people, you had, KD whatever,
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they didn't win, so you you traded those guys away.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You got picks. So so yes, that's what you do.
As now.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Now what's different is that OKC has made it to
the championship without the taking that next step, you know,
being really good and just winning and now they're in
the finals. So that's different. But the idea that teams
don't build like the same way the Warriors build their
team was they were bad. They got Steph Curry, they
(19:05):
got Draymond in the second round.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Do you know what I mean? Like, I think it's
just a little I think it's just seman g.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
I just got a question for Miles Turner for you guys,
you can answer on his behalf. I understand saying that
OKC is the blueprint because they got eleven thousand picks,
they got the MVP, and their consensus seems to be
they're going to be good for a while. Is anyone
going to point out to Miles Turner that he's been
on the trade block for four years and that they
would have traded him to the Lakers with Buddy Healed
(19:35):
for Russell Westbrook if the Lakers would agree to the deal.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I think that they and that they are not.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
They were never building towards anything they actually offered. If
you recall this DeAndre ad in the Max contract to
get him out of Phoenix, and Phoenix matched the deal,
so they had no choice but to spend them money
of these other guys, So were they ever actually trying
to build something or did things kind of work out, workout,
work out in their favor and now they're this nice and.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
The right And that's that's exactly my.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I think drafting guys like him are drafting the Smith
tw eleven they trained for. You got the first in
the trade and trading for these little pieces that matter
that on paper, like, Okay, if you're a fan, even
a fan of the team is.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Like, what I'm just saying, it's not new. I mean,
I think that's My biggest pushback is like.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So you're yelling at him for a couple of years too,
Like like if you if you did the man you
thought he was thinking the last few years, you want
him to go five years, You'll never be the old
four Pistons exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Who wanted twenty twenty one like that?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Okay, he's a year off, a couple of years off,
but they wanted.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, I'm just saying that one that they ain't doing
that way.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
That's why we were last about print was the old
four Pistons with Chauncey and Rip and new Wallace brothers
and Shaw.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Do I sound like no superstars, just a good.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Team good.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Kevin somewhere smiling right, that's my boy, r keV, Kevin
and Cub City.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You're on the couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up
keV all the time?
Speaker 4 (21:11):
And he would be even better with some wings. I'm
just saying, Kevin, the way.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
The Pacers are laid out. I think what Miles is
saying is we moved past the Big three era of
the Dwayne Ways and Chris Bosses.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
But I agree with that, but that was years ago.
Other other than right, other than uh them getting know
them getting Bradley Beal Kevin. That's what I'm trying to say,
other than the Sun's doing that and the only reason
that the next thing, they were all injured, so they
never they played like a total of forty games or
something total like like that's all they ever played.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
But that's a part of it. I think that's the reference.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
But that doesn't mean that they wouldn't have won had
they been healthy, had had had Kevin Durant not stepped
on on the line, Milwaukee might not have won that
champion ship.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
Definitely. And I think Rob, you you were telling your
Kendrick Lamar with the Big Three, it's just it's just me.
I was like, Damn is Rob hanging out with with dot?
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I tried to get him out to to pop out,
you know what I mean. He ain't want to come
with me though, you know.
Speaker 9 (22:16):
Oh no, he's got he's got the g n X five.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
I think he's we got the album.
Speaker 9 (22:20):
We have to have to, uh see if if I
park next.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
To him, I here what was being bumped in there?
That ain't it?
Speaker 8 (22:27):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Definitely. And another thing to the second apron I think
in the second Apron era, I think it's gonna be
really hard for teams to load up on superstars, So
this might I agreetunate and that's.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, that's kind of was my one of my points,
Kevin is having having not having that money at their
disposal like that, You're not gonna be able to just
give away a bunch of contracts to guy's a big guys.
So appreciate you Kevin. One day, Rob, what's he said
to get his wings from you?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
One day? One day? When are you gonna pull up
on him?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Right?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I know keV is right in Culver City, right, that's
literally right by you. Come on, keV, you made that.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
You said it with your chest out Lakers and all
that going to the final do you remember that he said?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And you can have them say grace too. That's right.
Bless my food.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
That's the food, all right, Steven Sager, what's trended?
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Speaker 1 (23:24):
Steve, appreciate you have a great night. Our couple, Rod
Parker kelvin Washington on a Magic City Monday and uh,
Rob g We got a conversation that really is early.
Here we are in the second day of June of
our Lord and say, no, it's not people want to
talk NFL but no, I know, but you want to
go here.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
We want to talk.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
And we talked Kevin at kob City. Just get my
wings ready right now. The offensive line, one of the
offensive linemen for the Lions is calling it quits.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Out of the blue too, because all pro.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Everybody wants to play for Dan Campbell, you know that, right,
and his body is beating down.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Uh, tell us a little bit windows open. Why would
he want to play this ship super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
This is like the opposite of Rob doing that that
tease look outcited boy.
Speaker 10 (24:10):
Anyways, Uh, Lions All Pro pro bowler Frank ragn now
one of the best in the big I'm assuming he's
gonna be in the Hall of Fame eventually abruptly announced
his retirement on Monday on Instagram, and the reasoning he
gave was quite simple.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
He said, his bodies just can't handle it anymore now.
If anyone, especially that Ben Johnson in Chicago, but if
anybody knows about his career, he has stayed hurt basically
for four straight seasons. He had what he called was
the worst possible turf dough that he played for through
for a year and a half. He had a torn
peck that he played through. They said he had a
I think he had like a broken neck. At one
(24:46):
point He's like, I'm just gonna keep going.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
He wants to be with his family at some point, right,
I mean, I'm not mad at them, and.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
So he just said he's not feeling good, so he's
gonna retire. Obviously, we wish the best news for his retirement.
Take care of your body, take care of your meant
to hear your chicken shout out, Marshaun Lynch. But for
the purposes of this show, what does it mean for
the Detroit Lions, Because now heading into the season, they
are going to likely have two of the three new
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starters on their interior offensive line, which had been, if
not the best, one of the best offensive units in
the entire NFL. Frank Ragnell, according to Pro Football Focus,
was graded out as either the first or second best
center in each of the last three seasons.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
You know what that means, You're going to go from
rag now to raggedy. That's all the and if things
were not bad enough. His backup that they have been
to start this upcoming season is a rookie number one,
number two. He was a left guard in college.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
He has never actually played center, and the Detroit Lions,
who have aspirations of winning a Super Bowl, are going
to be counting on him to spearhead that offensive line.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
It's a blow, no doubt about it. And I do
believe this is all health related. Obviously.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm sure he probably thought.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
He could play through it last year since they had
home field number one seed NFC playing a rookie quarterback,
that they were going to get to the Super Bowl
last year and he could retire. And since that did
not happen and they choked that game down at home,
you know they choked Jeff golf. Golf had what three
interceptions of fumble pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
He was trash.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
He was who people in LA saw before, so that's
why he was available. But my point is the Lions
just have another sticking point to why it's going to
be very difficult for them to get to where they want.
Too many changes, new offensive coordinated, new defensive court. I
don't care if they were in the building, because that's
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what they always trying to.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Well, they weren't in the bill. No, they weren't in charge.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
They weren't in charge, and nobody does exactly this same
thing as the person before them. They gonna build their
own right style, They own this whole idea. Is gonna
keep doing No, No, there were things that they didn't
like that the predecessor did.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Right, they want to try to fix the old do
their own thing.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Maybe the guys have more respect for the guys before
them because they had more experience and had had more success.
You're still feeling this guy out, does he really know
like he won boss before or whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So they got all.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
These other issues and now we'll find out about Dan
Campbell with new coordinators, we'll find out with this team.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Did their window shut? Because I do believe that it
did shut.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I felt that last year was and it has nothing
to do with U. I just don't think that the
window in the NFL is opened that that wide. I
really don't, especially for a team that had two opportunities.
You looking at the forty nine ers, now they just
got right. They got their quarterback and they just signed
right to a big contract.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
But the forecast is not for them to win a championship, right,
they got their quarterback. It was would you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Yeah, their forecast no longer is for the forty nine
ers to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's not. But there they got to the quarter So
here's where I'll disagree.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I do believe there are certain teams that had a
random one off for two seeds, like, oh, they had
a hand a shot. But I think when you're well
constructed and you have an identity and you know where
you're going, you can be in the mixed. The Eagles
look like they're gonna just be in the mix.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
They have been.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
They went to one, they lost, they had a season,
then they came back and won, and we fully expect
them to be good next year. And I think the Ravens,
we keep saying when they're gonna get over the humble,
but they keep being in the mix. The Bills now,
they keep being in the mix, and so to me,
so hold on. So I think with the Lions, they've
put themselves down three years in a row of being
(28:50):
really good. To the tune of fifteen and two, to
the tune that for the first time ever, you know this,
that super Bowl was a realistic expectation for them. That's
crazy to think because it's a Detroit Lions. So to me, absolutely,
I'm fully aware losing coordinators now, losing rag now that
really hurts. But I think they take a small step back.
(29:11):
But the idea that their window is closed, that's where
I don't agree disagree. Do I think they're fifteen and two?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Maybe not.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Maybe they're twelve and five now, But I don't. I
think the division is being slightly overrated. You got JJ McCarthy,
who I just keep telling people. I don't understand why
they think he was that great. I want him to
be good, and you know he went to Michigan good.
But the idea that they're going to be fifteen to
two again, I don't buy that from the Vikings. We'll
see what the Bears and who in the Packers they'll
be good for you.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Did you see Jared Golf in the biggest game of
the year.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I'm serious, No, I'm okay, okay, So so you could
have all those other pieces. The issue with Jared Golf
is when when it gets to that game that you
need him to win, he turns to go. That's why
the Rams decided we don't want him.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
He was a quarterback for.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
A team that had the fifth greatest offense in the
history of the NFL. Okay, and they got to the
super Bowl and they still passed on them because they
didn't believe he could get there. That's that's what's scary.
That's the part. That's the part that's scary if you're
a Lions fan. There was a reason he was available.
And the difference is last year you saw the Eagles,
(30:21):
they went to the Super Bowl. They lost both coordinators
right and then they fell off. They didn't get back,
and then they came back the next year, but they
got to the super Bowl with jayaln Hurts. See, the
Lions would be different if they got to the Super
Bowl against the four you know when they beat the forty,
if they would have gotten the Super Bowl and then last
year happened he had a bad game or whatever, then
(30:42):
you could buy into it. Now another year where Jared
Goff couldn't couldn't win the big game that you needed
him to win, and he was the reason why.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
It wasn't the defense. Here wasn't the defense they were
not in that.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Point for me, about a guy who's been to a
Super Bowl who expects have gone to another against the
forty nine ers and who expectations this past year were
to get to the super Bowl. So if you're telling
me all I keep talking about the super Bowls with him,
give me that guy where the expectations are deep playoff
runs in super Bowls because the idea is we're gonna
(31:15):
crack that thing one time, because otherwise we have Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
No, but have Lamar jacks Differences mar.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Jackson's underachieved are.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
But you feel Lamar Jackson MVP. I love them? Is
you feel? And by you I mean literally you and
anyone else? I do feel. He's good.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I do too.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
He's going to break it. I don't believe. I don't believe.
I don't believe in Jared goffs. I don't I get you.
Don't give me the guy who he's giving me a chance. No,
but here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
If the Ravens were to tray Lamar, then you'd have
a case when they gave up on him.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
The Rams went to the Super Bowl with Jared Goff
and said thank you, but no thank you.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
They're the ones who watched them in practice. They're the
ones who watched them in playoff game games. They're the
ones who watched them in the Super Bowl and said,
you know what, he's the missing.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
He's the weak link.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And then the Lions have home field against a rookie
quarterback nine and a half point favorites, not because they
had a solid defense, because they knew Vegas that they
could outscore the Washington Commanders. But they never figured in
that Jared Goff would went the band and throw three
(32:27):
interceptions and fumble the football. That's why Washington won. You
can talk about Jane Daniels all you want. The reason
the Lions lost that game is because their quarterback. They
didn't win the expectations. Expectations are super loss. I'll tell
(32:47):
this one been to a super Bowl, should have went
to Super Bowl Football.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Wins and losses.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Get rid of Jackson, get rid of Josh wins and
been further than both of them. He's been other than both.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Of them mbps and ain't nobody in the NFL would
take Jared Goff over either one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Only a Homer Lions fan would even.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I'm going only lost only a home when's Aric and
when's the losses are not Jared Goff?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
And when's the losses?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Or not.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
They'ren't in the same breath with wins losses. I'm telling
me that Lamar was I mean that Jared was in
the m v P rates last year. Wasn't the right? Who?
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Who did I tell you was going to know? I'm
telling you Jared Goff wasn't in the m v P right,
What did I tell you he was going? That won
fifteen games? What did I tell you was going? Did
they win fifteen games? Didn't they have the number one?
Who did I tell you then they have the number
one seed in the Why can't hear me all I
can't hear you who's going with m VP? It's lost?
Like I told you for two months? Okay, just like
(33:46):
two months like I told you.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Listen to your boy Josh Allen, and I'm telling you
the Lions would be the last.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Call eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox. Louise had
a rub.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
And Hoppen arrows What I want on my wings when
the Lions make the postseason eight seven seven ninety nine
on Fox, I'll let you boys.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
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Speaker 1 (34:19):
Rob, I didn't know you dropped the single. It's kind
of wild, Rob.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I did say that, did I?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I'm just saying I heard the version what you singing?
And he dropped the new single out here in the streets.
It's the our coverle Rob Parker, Kelvin Washington on the
Magic City Monday, Mary Mack on the ones and twos.
Clearly it is a Magic City Monday. All right, we're
gonna get to it now. It's side of last car.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Who we got.
Speaker 11 (34:44):
Good called? That's right, Jake in State Fall, Ja from
State Farm. You're on the out couple of Fox Sports Radio,
and you are the last call.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
Okay, I don't make the last call.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Listen.
Speaker 9 (35:05):
Yeah, you got going at it tonight like Ali and.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Bumble in a Jungle.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Hey, that's Hey, that's the passion that we have, Jake.
Speaker 9 (35:14):
Oh, you got passion tonight for everybody tonight.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
Let me let me say this.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
Do you think it was a wise Minnesota Temple Wilson.
Speaker 9 (35:25):
Has always appeared to be an expansion team to me.
I know they've been around for a decade, but for.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Some reason they make certain decisions.
Speaker 9 (35:32):
Do you think that was a good choice to get
rid of Towns because they lost two very bad games against.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
The Mavericks last year when they couldn't close it out.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
They closed out those games. They're going to the finals.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Do you think he was a.
Speaker 9 (35:46):
Missing lake this year because they didn't.
Speaker 7 (35:48):
Have nothing for Okac?
Speaker 9 (35:50):
And I know the very long I used to referee
chet home where in aau and he's I mean, he's
really just he's not even done getting better that, you
know what.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
You know what's funny about that, Jake, Each team that
made that trade and they both got pretty much the
same spot to the conference, and they both kind of funny.
But they almost I bet you they said, ah, we
could have swapped. But what I mean by that is
the Knicks needed some more bruiser. They needed to rebound it.
They needed a little bit more strength, a little more girth.
That's what Randal is. Brute force can score still, but
(36:23):
more of a brute force rebinder can do that. And
then the the Timberwolves they needed some score that games
with randall seven field goal attempts at seven.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Points, they could used it.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
They had a couple of big games they could have
used more Karnthie towns more refined skills. So it's almost
funny that they swapped it. Ultimately their de minds, they
kind of needed what the other person provided. The guy
they had the last season before. I'm gonna say this
what I'm just saying, and you have an extra spicy
If I'm the Knicks with a two pieces and the biscuit.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
If I'm the Knicks, I'm ready to move on. I
don't care what they call you. They call me mister Tabs.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Sidney Poitier rolling around is great right now. Sidney Poitier
rolling around, he said this, don't be recalling me. I
lived a whole ninety some years for you to do
this to me.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
They call me, come on one more time, one more time.
Better go ahead, hit it for one more time.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Pull all.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Now, Sidney, Really you are the distinguished brother. Sidney Poorte
is rolling around right now. This is the foolishness that
you have me in.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
We got him tangling all this foolishness. You don't have it, okay.
I thought you pulled it by speaking of mister Tibbs.
They called me mister me, mister TIBs, worst hair TIBs
or Homer Simpson because that I mean, it's it's it's
it's it's a battle. It's close, it is close.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
The little the three.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Strings that you just gotta What do you do You
lick your finger, Rober You got a little swoop.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I mean you gotta go swoo what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
You know?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
You get it all nice and jailed like that? Is
that what he do he jailed at? Or is he
just licked his finger? Is what his looks worse than
this jo because it's only three hairs. Yeah, you gotta
shave it. Bruce Willis, man, Bruce will Bruce Willis, grow
beard out. You're good.
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