July 19, 2024 • 38 mins
Chris and Rob argue over whether or not Tiger Woods needs to retire and save himself the embarrassment of missing the cut at every single major tournament these days and debate whether Deion Sanders deserved a publicity bonus from the University of Colorado. Plus, FS1 NBA analyst Ric Bucher swings by to discuss Bronny James’ play thus far in the NBA Summer League, why Alex Sarr has struggled so mightily right now, the development style of American-born players compared to foreign-born players and much more!
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in the Summer League. We'll talk about that and more
with Rick. But Rob, let's go to the world of
golf and it ain't pretty for Tiger Woods.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So he.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Missed the cut on the Open Championship in Scotland.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Shot four of the two days. Rob shot a.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Fourteen over one fifty six. He was fourteen over par.
He's now missed the cut in six of his past
seven majors either missed the cutter withdrawn in six of
his past seven majors. And this was his worst showing
at the Open. And now he says that he will
(01:54):
not compete again until December. All right, the Hero World
Challenge in the Bahamas in December. It's an unofficial event.
He's forty eight years old. Rob, Is it time for
Tiger to hang it up?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Chris?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
I get it, He's an iconic figure, one of the
greatest of all time. But Tiger Woods is an embarrassment
as we speak.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Tiger Woods should retire.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
I do not understand why a guy who wanted the
clip that he's won at Chris and shook up the
sports world, forget about golf, shook up the sports world
when he stepped on to that won that first Masters
and all that, and was challenging all the records and
(02:51):
everything in golf and made people turn on their TVs
to watch this guy and all the things. And now
he's turned into an embarrassment, Like that's how bad it is.
This is not the Tiger Woods. I don't want to
see Willie Mays fumbling in left field.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Chris.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
I don't want Tiger Woods to be this guy. I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Why. There's nothing left to prove. He came back.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
He won that one in twenty nineteen, Chris, right after
the wreck, which was tremendous, take your bow. But since
then he's failed to finish in the top twenty right
once Chris, in any major during that spand he's missed
the cut. I mean just talked about right altogether, majors
(03:40):
right more time seven than he's finished in the top sixty,
which is just five times in the top sixty, Chris.
And also I had to withdraw early twice twenty twenty
two PGA and the twenty twenty three Masters. I mean,
this is a debacle. This is ugly. I don't want
(04:03):
to see Tiger Woods doing the rope of dope. I don't.
I don't want him to be Willie Mays. I don't
want him to be guys like that, Chris. Will you
stick around and people see you, Willy Mays.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
No, you're right, that's.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Where he is now.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
And I know people, Oh he's only forty eight and
he's only there. No, it's not that he's forty eight,
it's that he's terrible.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
He was forty eight.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
He's been through all sorts of injuries. Obviously the car accident.
Remember before that, he had broken down Chris, right, Yeah,
his you know, his body just broke down, right, And
then of course Rob Let's just face it, he really
was never the same after the scandal.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Who knows mentally what that did.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
The best shot that Tiger took since the scandal was
when his wife hit him with a nine.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Iron, a club or something. You know, that was it.
I don't know what she hit him with. You remember that, right,
I'm sorry about that, Alex, I.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Know, yeah, I don't only too harsh, Chris, you know
his standard is high. This is not like an old
Zoe Ran. I'm talking about what used to be. No,
where he came, where he came from, is what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Tiger Woods, as great as he is and great as
he was, has fallen victim to the same thing that
every golfer, everyone who's golfed any significant number of times,
has fallen victim too.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No matter how bad you are, I'm bad.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
There's probably a few people on earth worse than in
golf than me. You're one of them, but it's only
a few.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I mean we we did play together, you know, all right.
And Rob G's another.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
But.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
They're as bad as I am.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Every once in a while, I hit a doozy. You
guys might have been there when I had my golf
tournament at the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
That's what happened in golf. Everybody hit that.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I sank like a twenty foot putt. It was crazy,
like it was great. But every blue moon, you'll make
a nice hit and that keeps you coming back. And
Tiger is there now, He's probably remembered I just won
that Master.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
A car accident. It was after all the surgeries. I
can do it again.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I only need to to tie Nicholas that Rob. I
think that's what he's holding on to because we know
there was a point, Rob, and correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Rob, get you as well. It was a point.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It seemed like Tiger Woods was definitely going to surpass
Jack Nicholas, like it was a fourgone conclusion. Yes, it
was a matter of when, not if, And so I'm
sure that that is probably the only reason he I
don't know if the only one, but that is what
(07:15):
is driving him. But you're he's clearly done.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
He is done.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, it'd be great if he put, you know, put
it all together one weekend and one another major and
then another major and then another major.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
How realistic is that?
Speaker 5 (07:33):
And the way that he looks now is like twenty
nineteen was just the outlier. That was just a one
time deal and it worked out and he won and
that was incredible. But since then, I mean, where we
are and watching this guy struggle and not making the
cuts and having the like like like, I'm sure he's
(07:55):
golfing fans can't be happy. Steve de Sega's a big
Tiger Woods guy. Can can you get?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Steve? Can you hop on real quick? Well? Here we go, Steve,
I'm just curious as a golf guy, and.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I'm a big Tiger Woods guy.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
No, you don't, like I thought you want to.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Rob Parker's just all up all here lying. No, I
thought you want to tell you all right, please making junk?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Oh Steve, do you you get my point? Like he's
a shell? Like, yes, absolutely right, he should retire, shouldn't he?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Oh, so you're with me? All right? I thought you
were gonna.
Speaker 8 (08:31):
Play It's like all of these guys. I didn't want
to see Ali at the end, right, you mentioned from
him at the end. I mean if Jordan had kept
going five years.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
No, Tyson's about twenty seven year old, which is ridiculous,
but that but but that's it. When you go and
you have these heroes and people who are pillars Chris
and sports, you don't want to see guys go out
like that.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
You just don't.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, I think that with Tiger number one, this is
it is. Everybody knows. Everybody that knows anything about Tiger
Woods knows golf has literally been his life, his entire life.
I mean Lebron j when was Tiger golfing at three?
(09:18):
I mean really like you know, three, four or five
years old, even a Lebron James or whatever, you know,
Tom Brady, they weren't, you know, playing football or basketball
at the level that Tiger was as a young, young
young kid. It's all he he was groomed to be this,
(09:41):
he was built to be this, and so is he
does he know? And I'm just speculating. I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I'm just throwing it out.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
What is Tiger's identity outside of golf and I'm not
saying that he might have one. I don't know, but
I'm just from what we see. I mean, his entire life,
it's been about golf, not since he was ten, not
since he was he was on.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
The Mike Douglas Show at three years old. Chris, remember that,
that's what I'm talking about three years old.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
He knows. So on top of that, on top of
this is what I've been.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Doing my entire life, really like really my entire life.
Then you've got the way like that we said it.
It seemed like a foregone conclusion. He was gonna break
Jack Nicholas's Majors record for most Majors wins. And then
he fumbles that away, and then he has the scandal,
(10:44):
and you know, he's he has the car accident, Like
I mean, he's so many things.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So it's what he's done his entire life. And then
he probably.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Feels to some degree, I did not maximize as great
as I was us and he was great.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
He didn't.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
He didn't he didn't get where he was supposed to go.
He didn't get that.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
He's arguably the goat. But it's either him or Nicholas, obviously,
But you're right, like I left.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Meat on the bone, a good amount of meat on
the bone, and so I think those things are conspiring.
Speaker 9 (11:21):
Rod.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
But when you him chasing, right, I get it, and
you think, well, I got lucky in twenty nineteen, or
I gonna do is get lucky three more time?
Speaker 9 (11:29):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
But not the way he's playing of lay Chris, who
just can't How in the world's he going out shooting?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
What do he shooting seventy the.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Way these young dudes are hitting that seventy six or whatever?
What Chris like fourteen over? Yeah, Like, come on, that's
that's not Tiger Woods.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
No, it's it's it's it's not and it is terrible.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's hard to hard to watch.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, but does Chris does he get because he was
so great?
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Does he get to stick.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Around and and and bow out when he wants to?
Or should he think of the sport and the fans
who have idolized him and not put the sport or
the fans through this?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Like, that's a good question, and that's where you might
want to bring Steven again as a as a guy
that really follows golf.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Is he I'm just playing off Rob Steve. He knows golf, right.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I mean, I don't know, are fans really like I'm
not like a huge golf guy, So to me, it's
just hey, Tiger failed and I move on. Do you
think real hardcore golf fans are really aching over what's
going on with Tiger?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Is it just hey, he's done?
Speaker 8 (12:46):
But I think I think aching would be strong. I
do think the sport hasn't quite replaced him at this point.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
They tried, they've tried.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Scheffler's looking good, but yeah they haven't.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, he's not Tiger Woods.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
It's not that backstory, it's not the incredible years of
dominance yet. And so I'm sure the coverage doesn't mind
having him even a bad Tiger Woods.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
And you know what, Stephen Chris, in all their promotion,
for all that, they still put Tiger in the Tiger
because they still put him in there because right there, still.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
He's still he's still pretty much the face of golf. Right.
Speaker 8 (13:23):
Terry is amazing to me though today, for example, he
actually made a good shot as he was on his
way to a seventy seven, and they they acted surprise.
It was like this up and comer just made it
go Tiger Wood.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (13:37):
It was not an accomplishment?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, yeah, all right, eight seven, seven ninety nine on
Fox Simple question, Well, we'll throw a few at you.
Should Tiger Woods hang it up? Retire from golf? And
is it painful.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
For you to watch?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I like that? I like Tiger Woods?
Speaker 10 (13:56):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Is it painful for you to watch him perform like this?
And absolute? Again?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
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We threw it out to you seven to seven.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Ninety nine on Fox the tiger Woods retire and is
it hard to watch, painful even to watch him struggle
like this?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
All right, Dre and Michigan. You're on the odd Couple
of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
I hope you're listening to the odd couple on Sports
Rap radio in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
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Speaker 12 (16:18):
Actually, actually I am because I'm seriously not playing y'all right.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Now, So I say, very nice, there you go.
Speaker 12 (16:25):
For real. Yeah, I don't know to be playing some
like Nick scores and stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
We hear the criticism. Sometimes people are mad when they
do that. I'm serious, but yeah, that.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Is it's horrible.
Speaker 12 (16:36):
But I think he shared retire because, like I was
telling Rob, you know, it's nothing worse for an athlete
when you go from being.
Speaker 10 (16:41):
Feared to people feeling sorry.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
So you yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (16:45):
And it's like, you know, because he changed the game.
I mean not to make fun of light of it,
but I know, guys that went from carrying nine millimeters
to carrying nine iiris.
Speaker 10 (16:53):
So the tiger Woods playing bill goalf to.
Speaker 12 (16:55):
This day, you know, and he did so much for
the game and then it went from a lot of
his I think, like Chris said, he's chasing that last
great moment, but it's not gonna come. And I think
it's bothering him so much because his downfall was self inflicted.
When he started playing, uh, when he was training for
the Navy Seals, he hurt himself. It went down, and
(17:16):
then it was the thing with his wife, you know,
and then it was the car accident. So his down
was fall of self inflicting. That's kind of hard to
get over.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
That's tough.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
It's tougher to handle when you do it to yourself.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
That's a great point. Drag, appreciate, thank you. Thanks for
the car. Kyle in Virginia Beach. You're on the eye
couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
What's up, Kyle?
Speaker 10 (17:39):
What's going on with Fellas?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
What's up?
Speaker 10 (17:42):
Hey, we're chilling. There's no Nuggets news. It siths he
got Westbrook last night or he's gonna allegedly comes.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
To the Nuggets, right, Okay, very nice.
Speaker 10 (17:51):
But even though I'm a basketball guy, I'm a big
sports guy. In avant golfer, I played twice a week
and growing up watching Tiger Woods. You know he's one
of your idols. Why you pick him a club? You
know I'm half black, and he's why you do it. Now,
what I will say is playing golf so much. You
watch the tournament today, you see that he played actually
(18:14):
pretty well. If you actually watched, he played well. There
was the small shots were miss and that's why Rory
McRoy missed the cut and so did Bright some to
Shambo and Tony Penow and those are some guys, like
everybody at the leaderboard for the US Open, A missis cut, right.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
But but tigers, this is not just about tonight though.
Well today he's been missing like the majors. I like,
it's been bad at the stretch. Well, and that's the difference.
Speaker 10 (18:41):
Think about this. He's been coming back from injury and
if you look at ball striking, in the way he's
playing the game, the way he looks walking, of course
it looks better. So there is hope because you know,
talk about retiring, well, golfers don't retire. They go to
the champion sword.
Speaker 9 (18:56):
No, I driv over.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
I get that, But we're talking about on the on
the on the regular tour.
Speaker 10 (19:02):
But on the PGA Tour, on the PGA tour. If
you watch his driving distance and he watches club head seeds,
you think, oh, he can do it. It's just gonna
take time.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Well, look here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
If you if you see that and round here, if
he sees that.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
You know Tiger sees it.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
You know what I mean, And we can say, right,
if you see that, there's no doubt Tiger is thinking
the same thing.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
And he's tiring, so he's even thinking it to him
hired to I get it.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
But the results, Chris, yeh, Look, it's terrible hard to
argue with the results.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
But I will say.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And I'm not backtracking on what he's hanging up, but
I will say this, Rob, we never saw it coming
in twenty nineteen. No, No, when he looked just as
bad and he was closer to the accident obviously.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
But now I'm just saying, now it's five years worth.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
But he's thinking, I don't have to be what I
used to. I just have to find that magic at
least two more times right now and hopefully three. I
just think that's what's driving him. It might be on
real listening.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Night, but that's what's driving No, I'll get that, Dre
in Massachusetts.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
You're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Drake,
how you doing?
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Thanks for taking my call. A Happy Friday listen with
Tiger Woods. The other callers have brought up some good
points in that he is showing signs of life. The
British Open is a tough event whereas you see a
lot of those top players that that will miss the cut.
But the bottom line is the consistency of his core
play is diminishing his legacy and it is going to
(20:37):
be a part of those last chapters when you think
about Tiger Woods and he needs golf. I think with
Tiger he's like Michael Jordan, like Kobe Bryant. He's not
content without the competition. Jeff Nicholas could retire, go build
golf courses right off into the sunset and.
Speaker 10 (20:53):
Be all right.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
But Tiger is one of these fierce competitors whereas there's
nothing else. He doesn't have that other thing. So I
think he is going to stay around. And the comments
that he made about calling Montgomery and talking about him,
that's the stuff that drives him. People taking shots him, counterpunching.
So I think we're going to continue to see him.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
It's just hard for me to watch to see him
be this bad. I told the story a million times.
I watched him when when he won the Masters, his
first and I was on my honeymoon in Tokyo, Japan,
and my wife and I were sitting on the edge
of the bed watching Tiger.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Wood, and we see how that turned out.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Thank you, Chris, Thanks for reminded.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
The moral of that story on your honeymoon. Don't watch
TV god to make your marriage.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I was thinking, you know, instead of watching Wood, I
should have been you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I don't think that made you.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
I didn't say anything. I had glazy in my mouth.
Yes I did, Chris stop.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
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Speaker 1 (22:10):
It's our next guest friend of the show, longtime friend
of each of us f S one NBA analyst Rick Buker, Rick,
what's up?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Mass up break?
Speaker 9 (22:20):
What's happening? So let's how's the summer going for you?
Guys man?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Very good, very good, very good.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
I know you're I know you're pushing for content. If
you're calling, if you're calling my number, no shopping.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Here. Ye, stuff is thinned for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
You know that.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
You know we're gonna ask you to break We're gonna
ask you to break down the Oakland A's, but we'll
pass on.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Okay, We're gonna ask you to break down some summer league.
I'll take you that. So let's let's let's start there.
And obviously, Bronnie is the big news. Have you in
talking to people around the league. Has the tune changed
on him? We know these last two games he's actually
played for well, has the tune changed from you know,
(23:02):
the first games where he was struggling.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
Not really. I don't think anybody like I don't. I
don't think anybody who believed that he had the capability
of playing in the NBA buried him as a result
of the first two games. And it's never really been
about can he could he potentially evolve, given enough time
(23:26):
and practice and and minutes, evolve into a guy who
could get onto an NBA court. I think there's there's
just so many different elements to this story, like the
fact that he's going to be on an NBA court
the first week of the season, regardless of what he
(23:47):
earned his way there or not. And then you know,
we're looking at the fact that he barely played. He
didn't play a whole lot in college, and now you've
got to play summer league and that's a that's a
different level. And then we're and and struggled at that.
And now he's made a couple of shots. I will say,
(24:09):
I've never in my life seen a guy who is
shooting what like twenty percent overall. And I was there
for his first good game. They ran the first play
of the game for him to get him a shot.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I'm right.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
This whole thing is just I think it's not so
much you know, looking at Bronnie and wanting to rip
his to rip him or say you know, he'll never
play in the NBA, or like changing that tune. It's
it's like, how we got here, go ahead. That's the
heart of it. I mean, that's that's really the heart
of it. That's that's a bigger issue than debating on
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whether he can ever play in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
And it speaks volumes to the Lakers because this is
not an organization I could understand some other organizations trying
to play this game to get some attention or whatever
it is, l tickets, you know, whatever.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
But the Lakers are sold out. The Lakers don't have
to do this or play this game. Why are they
playing this game?
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Rick, Lebron James if he doesn't want if really Lebron
was going to bounce, if Bronnie wasn't big, or was
he really leaving La and his mansion and his lifestyle
and all the other stuff that he hopes to do
after his playing career, was leaving La?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Come on, what letters did he have?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Rick?
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I don't get it.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
Yeah, I don't. I don't. I never had him leaving LA.
Regardless of what the Lakers did with Bronnie. That said,
and again, I was there the first good game that
he had. I'll tell you why the Lakers are doing
this because the fans are obsessed and captivated with Bronnie.
(25:48):
I mean, he came into that game like what shooting
you know three for whatever the hell? It was?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Right?
Speaker 9 (25:53):
Yeah, over fifteen from threes And it didn't matter when
he came out on the court the first time he
touched the ball, the first shot he made, like the
crowd went bonkers. It's it's the most next to seeing
the sphere in person. It's the strangest thing I've ever experienced.
Like like there, you know, I just I don't know.
(26:16):
I don't know what it says about our society that
were captured, were captivated by celebrity more so than ability.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Rick, don't you watch The thousand Pound Twins or whatever
the show is? I mean, like that's what's on television,
Like Pete right, the thousand Pound Twins?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Is that what that show is? Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
I don't know of what show you seek of.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Rob.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
That's the type of stuff it is, Rob in this
show something like that. They're like a thousand pounds something.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
All right, but we look, you think you're talking about bizarre.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Ronnie is actually playing better than the number two pick
in the draft, Alex Sar And you know, we've been
around long enough to know you can't put too much
stock in Summer League positive or negative.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I like the way he kind of moves on the
court and all that.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
But what are people saying about him because obviously he's
just he's doing some other things, but he's not hitting
any shots.
Speaker 12 (27:20):
Now.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
The feeling, the feeling is that both the first and
second round. The first the number one and number two
picks of both has been disappointing. And I saw Sar
go up against Klingon and Klingon owned him. I was
really impressed with with with Klingon in the way that
he play. And what I really didn't like about Sar
(27:43):
is at one point struggling scoreless, getting beat, getting his
shot blocked. He was walking off the court and one
of the assistant coaches tried to talk to him about
something and he just ignored and walked right by it.
And I was like, that's not like whatever you are,
whoever you are. I've seen when Binyama, I've seen Tim Duncan,
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I've seen some of the best, and they would never
ever dream of doing something like that in their their
first summer league, their first experience of the NBA. And
when I saw that with Sar, I was like, man,
I wouldn't combination of just get a sense because he
thinks he's he's better than he is.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
And you mentioned you mentioned when ben Yama, I mean
three of the first six players drafted were from France,
the top two. How much of this I mean sorrow
looks the part right seven footer long.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
It plays on the perimeter.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I mean, how much of this do you think maybe
was he might not be win Banyama, but maybe he'll
be close. Like, you know, do people overestimate some of
these guys from France.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
Yeah, Well it's an interesting dynamic because I mean talking
to the GMS going in and scouts going into the draft,
they were like, you know what, there's still there's still
a resistance toward international players. I believe, you know, the
question of whether they can they can make the jump
or not, and whether they can adjust to the game.
(29:21):
But if you find an international player who appears to
have the athleticism and he's actually played, and I think
it's just a reflection also of just the American college
talent that was coming out this year. There was you know, nobody, how.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Is it that bad?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Rick?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
How is it that bad? Nobody from here can play
this game.
Speaker 9 (29:44):
It's a combination of things. So number one, because of COVID,
everybody got an extra year of eligibility, and so college
coaches are not going to play younger players like They're
going to stick with the guys that are already in
the program. They have next year, They're gonna play that
fifty year senior rather than play a potential one and
(30:04):
done guy. And then the other part is the transfer
for the like, if you're building a program and I
can go get a guy who's already played a year
or two improved that he can play collegiately, I'm going
to go get that guy rather than sign a freshman,
a kid straight out of high school. So the kids
that were good enough to get recruited and get deals,
(30:29):
they didn't play the same roles that they normally would
in college this year, and so there was just there
wasn't the same development, and that's for you know. And
then the guys that were beyond the one and done
the same thing, they were in the same thing where
they just had up a classmen that were getting most
of the touches, most of the shots, most of the minutes,
(30:50):
and so they didn't get a chance to show out
or develop the way they normally would in playing the
role that they would. So it's a combination of things
that and and then the bigger picture just is is
the way that AA basketball is being is being taught.
I'm actually I'm writing a book right now about coachable
(31:10):
difference between good and great and and it's really at
the motivation for me is is seen so many parents
with really good athletes who are forum shopping or shopping
thinking I have to be in the right program, I
have to have the right coach. Uh. And anytime they
get challenged, UH, then it's well, you know, I'll go
(31:32):
to this, I'll go to the program over here. That's
it's not going to be as hard on you. It's
gonna it's gonna you know, calto to to what I want.
And the guys and the athletes that I've spoken to
who have persevered or have overachieved, are one too who
didn't whose parents didn't let them do that, or they
(31:53):
refused to do that. They didn't leave their AAU team.
They didn't They didn't cave when somebody challenged them and said,
you know what, you're not good enough or you don't
do this well enough. They figured out a way to
get better at that thing, not worrying about well, am
I going to get you know, am I going to
get D one scholarship? Am I going to get this?
Or am I going to get the scouts? Going to
(32:14):
see me? You know, the right people don't see me.
They were like you know what, let me let me
trust that if I develop my game and my ability,
that someone will find me. And that has been the
case that you we've sort of lost sight of that.
There's become this obsession with I need to be seen.
I need to be on the right team, playing with
(32:35):
the right people in the right places. And that's got
nothing to do with your ability to actually play the game.
At some points, you've got to show up and you
got to figure on that.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
That's that sounds great. That sounds like a fantastic book.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
And Rob and I talk a lot about that, Like,
you know, the international players are starting to take over
the NBA. I mean, we still got the best, but
you know I'm reading the top fifty.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
To overseas the coaches run the show.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Right team banged our college coaches look soft. I mean,
you know how it is over there.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Rick, It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I talk about it all the time.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
I want to see the ball brothers, not Lonzo, the
other two play in the game.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
In La and Rick.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
They cherry pick out a breakopp entire time.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Rick and just waited down on the other run for
the other kids to throw on the ball.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
I just couldn't believe it and the coach couldn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
All right, that's Rick Buker. Great stuff, Rick Man, thanks.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
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I guess Rob g explained.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
I wish that my boss was the University of Colorado because,
according to multiple outlets, the University of Colorado gave Dion
Sanders a discretionary bonus in the amount of two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars because he brought an extreme level
of national recognition to the university.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
How about winning a national championship?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
So you don't think they should have gave it.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
To him, No, I think that's a part of his deal, Chris.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
The money that they pay him, and what's two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars or one hundred and twenty five
after Uncle Sam gets his cut, It just seems like
there's no need for that. He's well compensated. Part of
his job is to represent the university and push it
to the forefront. We already know he's a high profile guy.
They know that when they signed him. That what's the
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extra one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars for it
just seems minuscule to all the other stuff that comes
into play. And his yearly salary one hundred and twenty
five thousand after taxes.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Really well, I agree with your wording minuscule.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I'm just saying compared to that paying for his name
one twenty five.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Well, that's my point is that, now, look, they didn't
have to give him anything. No, I'm not saying they owed.
You know, they didn't have to give him anything. But
if they're going to give him a bonus for putting
Colorado football on the national map. It should have been
way more than two hundred and fifty thousand. It should
(35:58):
have been like another million. He makes about five million,
five to six million a year.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
It should have been another million.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Because you're right, at the end of the day, what
is that one hundred and twenty five thousand and fifty
thousand a million?
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Because it is true.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Look, Rob, don't think I mean you said national championship.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Of course that's the goal. But my goodness, all.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
The publicity they got, didn't their enrollment skyrocket?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
That happens when teams are good.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
In sports, and even if they're not good in sports,
they got a lot of publicity, like or whether it
was enrollment or.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Just at applications of skyrocketing.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
So a lot of times when the schools are good
in sports, they get more people applying, which leads to
more money. And all of this stuff, like what he
did for them went beyond football. And that's why I
think they're giving him a bonus. Again, they didn't have to.
I'm just saying, if you were gonna give him one,
make it significant, because he did. If you're if you're
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admitting that was big, all that publicity then it was
a lot bigger than twenty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I'll tell you that, right, I just don't.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
I just I think that that should have been included,
Like that's part of his job, is is uh? Part
of his job, you know, is promoting the university and Chris,
if you win, all that stuff all factors in, and
he'll be rewarded as well. There'll be all kinds of
other stuff that happened and comes his way monetarily. It
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just seems like a token amount of money that really
doesn't matter or doesn't really amount to much. It just
I don't even it's not even anything to brag about.
And I'm not trying to be a little one hundred
and twenty five or two hundred and fifty thousand. Most
people would gladly take that. But you get what I'm saying.
As far as Dion Sanders, yeah, I'm not much.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Like I said, they should have gave me more if
they were gonna give him anything. But hey, like you said,
and he's got plenty plenty of banks, so good for him.
It is the eye couple, Rob. You know, I'm heading
to a family reunion.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Let's have a great vacation and we'll see you soon.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Go rock the house, sex week, do your thing, and uh,
don't get too fat off those couples, all right, Cases
Smith and Mike Harmon are next.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
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in the Summer League. We'll talk about that and more
with Rick. But Rob, let's go to the world of
golf and it ain't pretty for Tiger Woods.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So he.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Missed the cut on the Open Championship in Scotland.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Shot four of the two days. Rob shot a.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Fourteen over one fifty six. He was fourteen over par.
He's now missed the cut in six of his past
seven majors either missed the cutter withdrawn in six of
his past seven majors. And this was his worst showing
at the Open. And now he says that he will
(01:54):
not compete again until December. All right, the Hero World
Challenge in the Bahamas in December. It's an unofficial event.
He's forty eight years old. Rob, Is it time for
Tiger to hang it up?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Chris?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
I get it, He's an iconic figure, one of the
greatest of all time. But Tiger Woods is an embarrassment
as we speak.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Tiger Woods should retire.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
I do not understand why a guy who wanted the
clip that he's won at Chris and shook up the
sports world, forget about golf, shook up the sports world
when he stepped on to that won that first Masters
and all that, and was challenging all the records and
(02:51):
everything in golf and made people turn on their TVs
to watch this guy and all the things. And now
he's turned into an embarrassment, Like that's how bad it is.
This is not the Tiger Woods. I don't want to
see Willie Mays fumbling in left field.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Chris.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
I don't want Tiger Woods to be this guy. I don't.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Why. There's nothing left to prove. He came back.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
He won that one in twenty nineteen, Chris, right after
the wreck, which was tremendous, take your bow. But since
then he's failed to finish in the top twenty right
once Chris, in any major during that spand he's missed
the cut. I mean just talked about right altogether, majors
(03:40):
right more time seven than he's finished in the top sixty,
which is just five times in the top sixty, Chris.
And also I had to withdraw early twice twenty twenty
two PGA and the twenty twenty three Masters. I mean,
this is a debacle. This is ugly. I don't want
(04:03):
to see Tiger Woods doing the rope of dope. I don't.
I don't want him to be Willie Mays. I don't
want him to be guys like that, Chris. Will you
stick around and people see you, Willy Mays.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
No, you're right, that's.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Where he is now.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
And I know people, Oh he's only forty eight and
he's only there. No, it's not that he's forty eight,
it's that he's terrible.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
He was forty eight.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
He's been through all sorts of injuries. Obviously the car accident.
Remember before that, he had broken down Chris, right, Yeah,
his you know, his body just broke down, right, And
then of course Rob Let's just face it, he really
was never the same after the scandal.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Who knows mentally what that did.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
The best shot that Tiger took since the scandal was
when his wife hit him with a nine.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Iron, a club or something. You know, that was it.
I don't know what she hit him with. You remember that, right,
I'm sorry about that, Alex, I.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Know, yeah, I don't only too harsh, Chris, you know
his standard is high. This is not like an old
Zoe Ran. I'm talking about what used to be. No,
where he came, where he came from, is what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Tiger Woods, as great as he is and great as
he was, has fallen victim to the same thing that
every golfer, everyone who's golfed any significant number of times,
has fallen victim too.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No matter how bad you are, I'm bad.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
There's probably a few people on earth worse than in
golf than me. You're one of them, but it's only
a few.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Oh wow.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I mean we we did play together, you know, all right.
And Rob G's another.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
But.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
They're as bad as I am.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Every once in a while, I hit a doozy. You
guys might have been there when I had my golf
tournament at the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
That's what happened in golf. Everybody hit that.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I sank like a twenty foot putt. It was crazy,
like it was great. But every blue moon, you'll make
a nice hit and that keeps you coming back. And
Tiger is there now, He's probably remembered I just won
that Master.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
A car accident. It was after all the surgeries. I
can do it again.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I only need to to tie Nicholas that Rob. I
think that's what he's holding on to because we know
there was a point, Rob, and correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Rob, get you as well. It was a point.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It seemed like Tiger Woods was definitely going to surpass
Jack Nicholas, like it was a fourgone conclusion. Yes, it
was a matter of when, not if, And so I'm
sure that that is probably the only reason he I
don't know if the only one, but that is what
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is driving him. But you're he's clearly done.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
He is done.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, it'd be great if he put, you know, put
it all together one weekend and one another major and
then another major and then another major.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
How realistic is that?
Speaker 5 (07:33):
And the way that he looks now is like twenty
nineteen was just the outlier. That was just a one
time deal and it worked out and he won and
that was incredible. But since then, I mean, where we
are and watching this guy struggle and not making the
cuts and having the like like like, I'm sure he's
(07:55):
golfing fans can't be happy. Steve de Sega's a big
Tiger Woods guy. Can can you get?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Steve? Can you hop on real quick? Well? Here we go, Steve,
I'm just curious as a golf guy, and.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I'm a big Tiger Woods guy.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
No, you don't, like I thought you want to.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Rob Parker's just all up all here lying. No, I
thought you want to tell you all right, please making junk?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Oh Steve, do you you get my point? Like he's
a shell? Like, yes, absolutely right, he should retire, shouldn't he?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Oh, so you're with me? All right? I thought you
were gonna.
Speaker 8 (08:31):
Play It's like all of these guys. I didn't want
to see Ali at the end, right, you mentioned from
him at the end. I mean if Jordan had kept
going five years.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
No, Tyson's about twenty seven year old, which is ridiculous,
but that but but that's it. When you go and
you have these heroes and people who are pillars Chris
and sports, you don't want to see guys go out
like that.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
You just don't.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, I think that with Tiger number one, this is
it is. Everybody knows. Everybody that knows anything about Tiger
Woods knows golf has literally been his life, his entire life.
I mean Lebron j when was Tiger golfing at three?
(09:18):
I mean really like you know, three, four or five
years old, even a Lebron James or whatever, you know,
Tom Brady, they weren't, you know, playing football or basketball
at the level that Tiger was as a young, young
young kid. It's all he he was groomed to be this,
(09:41):
he was built to be this, and so is he
does he know? And I'm just speculating. I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I'm just throwing it out.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
What is Tiger's identity outside of golf and I'm not
saying that he might have one. I don't know, but
I'm just from what we see. I mean, his entire life,
it's been about golf, not since he was ten, not
since he was he was on.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
The Mike Douglas Show at three years old. Chris, remember that,
that's what I'm talking about three years old.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
He knows. So on top of that, on top of
this is what I've been.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Doing my entire life, really like really my entire life.
Then you've got the way like that we said it.
It seemed like a foregone conclusion. He was gonna break
Jack Nicholas's Majors record for most Majors wins. And then
he fumbles that away, and then he has the scandal,
(10:44):
and you know, he's he has the car accident, Like
I mean, he's so many things.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So it's what he's done his entire life. And then
he probably.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Feels to some degree, I did not maximize as great
as I was us and he was great.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
He didn't.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
He didn't he didn't get where he was supposed to go.
He didn't get that.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
He's arguably the goat. But it's either him or Nicholas, obviously,
But you're right, like I left.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Meat on the bone, a good amount of meat on
the bone, and so I think those things are conspiring.
Speaker 9 (11:21):
Rod.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
But when you him chasing, right, I get it, and
you think, well, I got lucky in twenty nineteen, or
I gonna do is get lucky three more time?
Speaker 9 (11:29):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
But not the way he's playing of lay Chris, who
just can't How in the world's he going out shooting?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
What do he shooting seventy the.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Way these young dudes are hitting that seventy six or whatever?
What Chris like fourteen over? Yeah, Like, come on, that's
that's not Tiger Woods.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
No, it's it's it's it's not and it is terrible.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's hard to hard to watch.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, but does Chris does he get because he was
so great?
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Does he get to stick.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Around and and and bow out when he wants to?
Or should he think of the sport and the fans
who have idolized him and not put the sport or
the fans through this?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Like, that's a good question, and that's where you might
want to bring Steven again as a as a guy
that really follows golf.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Is he I'm just playing off Rob Steve. He knows golf, right.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I mean, I don't know, are fans really like I'm
not like a huge golf guy, So to me, it's
just hey, Tiger failed and I move on. Do you
think real hardcore golf fans are really aching over what's
going on with Tiger?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Is it just hey, he's done?
Speaker 8 (12:46):
But I think I think aching would be strong. I
do think the sport hasn't quite replaced him at this point.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
They tried, they've tried.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Scheffler's looking good, but yeah they haven't.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, he's not Tiger Woods.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
It's not that backstory, it's not the incredible years of
dominance yet. And so I'm sure the coverage doesn't mind
having him even a bad Tiger Woods.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
And you know what, Stephen Chris, in all their promotion,
for all that, they still put Tiger in the Tiger
because they still put him in there because right there, still.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
He's still he's still pretty much the face of golf. Right.
Speaker 8 (13:23):
Terry is amazing to me though today, for example, he
actually made a good shot as he was on his
way to a seventy seven, and they they acted surprise.
It was like this up and comer just made it
go Tiger Wood.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (13:37):
It was not an accomplishment?
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Should Tiger Woods hang it up? Retire from golf? And
is it painful.
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For you to watch?
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I like that? I like Tiger Woods?
Speaker 10 (13:56):
Right?
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Is it painful for you to watch him perform like this?
And absolute? Again?
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We threw it out to you seven to seven.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Ninety nine on Fox the tiger Woods retire and is
it hard to watch, painful even to watch him struggle
like this?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
All right, Dre and Michigan. You're on the odd Couple
of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
I hope you're listening to the odd couple on Sports
Rap radio in Detroit.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
What's up, Drake?
Speaker 12 (16:18):
Actually, actually I am because I'm seriously not playing y'all right.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Now, So I say, very nice, there you go.
Speaker 12 (16:25):
For real. Yeah, I don't know to be playing some
like Nick scores and stuff.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
We hear the criticism. Sometimes people are mad when they
do that. I'm serious, but yeah, that.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Is it's horrible.
Speaker 12 (16:36):
But I think he shared retire because, like I was
telling Rob, you know, it's nothing worse for an athlete
when you go from being.
Speaker 10 (16:41):
Feared to people feeling sorry.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
So you yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 12 (16:45):
And it's like, you know, because he changed the game.
I mean not to make fun of light of it,
but I know, guys that went from carrying nine millimeters
to carrying nine iiris.
Speaker 10 (16:53):
So the tiger Woods playing bill goalf to.
Speaker 12 (16:55):
This day, you know, and he did so much for
the game and then it went from a lot of
his I think, like Chris said, he's chasing that last
great moment, but it's not gonna come. And I think
it's bothering him so much because his downfall was self inflicted.
When he started playing, uh, when he was training for
the Navy Seals, he hurt himself. It went down, and
(17:16):
then it was the thing with his wife, you know,
and then it was the car accident. So his down
was fall of self inflicting. That's kind of hard to
get over.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
That's tough.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
It's tougher to handle when you do it to yourself.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
That's a great point. Drag, appreciate, thank you. Thanks for
the car. Kyle in Virginia Beach. You're on the eye
couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
What's up, Kyle?
Speaker 10 (17:39):
What's going on with Fellas?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
How are you?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
What's up?
Speaker 10 (17:42):
Hey, we're chilling. There's no Nuggets news. It siths he
got Westbrook last night or he's gonna allegedly comes.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
To the Nuggets, right, Okay, very nice.
Speaker 10 (17:51):
But even though I'm a basketball guy, I'm a big
sports guy. In avant golfer, I played twice a week
and growing up watching Tiger Woods. You know he's one
of your idols. Why you pick him a club? You
know I'm half black, and he's why you do it. Now,
what I will say is playing golf so much. You
watch the tournament today, you see that he played actually
(18:14):
pretty well. If you actually watched, he played well. There
was the small shots were miss and that's why Rory
McRoy missed the cut and so did Bright some to
Shambo and Tony Penow and those are some guys, like
everybody at the leaderboard for the US Open, A missis cut, right.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
But but tigers, this is not just about tonight though.
Well today he's been missing like the majors. I like,
it's been bad at the stretch. Well, and that's the difference.
Speaker 10 (18:41):
Think about this. He's been coming back from injury and
if you look at ball striking, in the way he's
playing the game, the way he looks walking, of course
it looks better. So there is hope because you know,
talk about retiring, well, golfers don't retire. They go to
the champion sword.
Speaker 9 (18:56):
No, I driv over.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
I get that, But we're talking about on the on
the on the regular tour.
Speaker 10 (19:02):
But on the PGA Tour, on the PGA tour. If
you watch his driving distance and he watches club head seeds,
you think, oh, he can do it. It's just gonna
take time.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Well, look here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
If you if you see that and round here, if
he sees that.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
You know Tiger sees it.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
You know what I mean, And we can say, right,
if you see that, there's no doubt Tiger is thinking
the same thing.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
And he's tiring, so he's even thinking it to him
hired to I get it.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
But the results, Chris, yeh, Look, it's terrible hard to
argue with the results.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
But I will say.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
And I'm not backtracking on what he's hanging up, but
I will say this, Rob, we never saw it coming
in twenty nineteen. No, No, when he looked just as
bad and he was closer to the accident obviously.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
But now I'm just saying, now it's five years worth.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
But he's thinking, I don't have to be what I
used to. I just have to find that magic at
least two more times right now and hopefully three. I
just think that's what's driving him. It might be on
real listening.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Night, but that's what's driving No, I'll get that, Dre
in Massachusetts.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
You're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Drake,
how you doing?
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Thanks for taking my call. A Happy Friday listen with
Tiger Woods. The other callers have brought up some good
points in that he is showing signs of life. The
British Open is a tough event whereas you see a
lot of those top players that that will miss the cut.
But the bottom line is the consistency of his core
play is diminishing his legacy and it is going to
(20:37):
be a part of those last chapters when you think
about Tiger Woods and he needs golf. I think with
Tiger he's like Michael Jordan, like Kobe Bryant. He's not
content without the competition. Jeff Nicholas could retire, go build
golf courses right off into the sunset and.
Speaker 10 (20:53):
Be all right.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
But Tiger is one of these fierce competitors whereas there's
nothing else. He doesn't have that other thing. So I
think he is going to stay around. And the comments
that he made about calling Montgomery and talking about him,
that's the stuff that drives him. People taking shots him, counterpunching.
So I think we're going to continue to see him.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
It's just hard for me to watch to see him
be this bad. I told the story a million times.
I watched him when when he won the Masters, his
first and I was on my honeymoon in Tokyo, Japan,
and my wife and I were sitting on the edge
of the bed watching Tiger.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Wood, and we see how that turned out.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Thank you, Chris, Thanks for reminded.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
The moral of that story on your honeymoon. Don't watch
TV god to make your marriage.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I was thinking, you know, instead of watching Wood, I
should have been you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I don't think that made you.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
I didn't say anything. I had glazy in my mouth.
Yes I did, Chris stop.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
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Speaker 1 (22:10):
It's our next guest friend of the show, longtime friend
of each of us f S one NBA analyst Rick Buker, Rick,
what's up?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Mass up break?
Speaker 9 (22:20):
What's happening? So let's how's the summer going for you?
Guys man?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Very good, very good, very good.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
I know you're I know you're pushing for content. If
you're calling, if you're calling my number, no shopping.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Here. Ye, stuff is thinned for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
You know that.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
You know we're gonna ask you to break We're gonna
ask you to break down the Oakland A's, but we'll
pass on.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Okay, We're gonna ask you to break down some summer league.
I'll take you that. So let's let's let's start there.
And obviously, Bronnie is the big news. Have you in
talking to people around the league. Has the tune changed
on him? We know these last two games he's actually
played for well, has the tune changed from you know,
(23:02):
the first games where he was struggling.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
Not really. I don't think anybody like I don't. I
don't think anybody who believed that he had the capability
of playing in the NBA buried him as a result
of the first two games. And it's never really been
about can he could he potentially evolve, given enough time
(23:26):
and practice and and minutes, evolve into a guy who
could get onto an NBA court. I think there's there's
just so many different elements to this story, like the
fact that he's going to be on an NBA court
the first week of the season, regardless of what he
(23:47):
earned his way there or not. And then you know,
we're looking at the fact that he barely played. He
didn't play a whole lot in college, and now you've
got to play summer league and that's a that's a
different level. And then we're and and struggled at that.
And now he's made a couple of shots. I will say,
(24:09):
I've never in my life seen a guy who is
shooting what like twenty percent overall. And I was there
for his first good game. They ran the first play
of the game for him to get him a shot.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I'm right.
Speaker 9 (24:23):
This whole thing is just I think it's not so
much you know, looking at Bronnie and wanting to rip
his to rip him or say you know, he'll never
play in the NBA, or like changing that tune. It's
it's like, how we got here, go ahead. That's the
heart of it. I mean, that's that's really the heart
of it. That's that's a bigger issue than debating on
(24:46):
whether he can ever play in the NBA.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
And it speaks volumes to the Lakers because this is
not an organization I could understand some other organizations trying
to play this game to get some attention or whatever
it is, l tickets, you know, whatever.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
But the Lakers are sold out. The Lakers don't have
to do this or play this game. Why are they
playing this game?
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Rick, Lebron James if he doesn't want if really Lebron
was going to bounce, if Bronnie wasn't big, or was
he really leaving La and his mansion and his lifestyle
and all the other stuff that he hopes to do
after his playing career, was leaving La?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Come on, what letters did he have?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Rick?
Speaker 4 (25:26):
I don't get it.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
Yeah, I don't. I don't. I never had him leaving LA.
Regardless of what the Lakers did with Bronnie. That said,
and again, I was there the first good game that
he had. I'll tell you why the Lakers are doing
this because the fans are obsessed and captivated with Bronnie.
(25:48):
I mean, he came into that game like what shooting
you know three for whatever the hell? It was?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Right?
Speaker 9 (25:53):
Yeah, over fifteen from threes And it didn't matter when
he came out on the court the first time he
touched the ball, the first shot he made, like the
crowd went bonkers. It's it's the most next to seeing
the sphere in person. It's the strangest thing I've ever experienced.
Like like there, you know, I just I don't know.
(26:16):
I don't know what it says about our society that
were captured, were captivated by celebrity more so than ability.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Rick, don't you watch The thousand Pound Twins or whatever
the show is? I mean, like that's what's on television,
Like Pete right, the thousand Pound Twins?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Is that what that show is? Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
I don't know of what show you seek of.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Rob.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
That's the type of stuff it is, Rob in this
show something like that. They're like a thousand pounds something.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
All right, but we look, you think you're talking about bizarre.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Ronnie is actually playing better than the number two pick
in the draft, Alex Sar And you know, we've been
around long enough to know you can't put too much
stock in Summer League positive or negative.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I like the way he kind of moves on the
court and all that.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
But what are people saying about him because obviously he's
just he's doing some other things, but he's not hitting
any shots.
Speaker 12 (27:20):
Now.
Speaker 9 (27:20):
The feeling, the feeling is that both the first and
second round. The first the number one and number two
picks of both has been disappointing. And I saw Sar
go up against Klingon and Klingon owned him. I was
really impressed with with with Klingon in the way that
he play. And what I really didn't like about Sar
(27:43):
is at one point struggling scoreless, getting beat, getting his
shot blocked. He was walking off the court and one
of the assistant coaches tried to talk to him about
something and he just ignored and walked right by it.
And I was like, that's not like whatever you are,
whoever you are. I've seen when Binyama, I've seen Tim Duncan,
(28:07):
I've seen some of the best, and they would never
ever dream of doing something like that in their their
first summer league, their first experience of the NBA. And
when I saw that with Sar, I was like, man,
I wouldn't combination of just get a sense because he
thinks he's he's better than he is.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
And you mentioned you mentioned when ben Yama, I mean
three of the first six players drafted were from France,
the top two. How much of this I mean sorrow
looks the part right seven footer long.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
It plays on the perimeter.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I mean, how much of this do you think maybe
was he might not be win Banyama, but maybe he'll
be close. Like, you know, do people overestimate some of
these guys from France.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
Yeah, Well it's an interesting dynamic because I mean talking
to the GMS going in and scouts going into the draft,
they were like, you know what, there's still there's still
a resistance toward international players. I believe, you know, the
question of whether they can they can make the jump
or not, and whether they can adjust to the game.
(29:21):
But if you find an international player who appears to
have the athleticism and he's actually played, and I think
it's just a reflection also of just the American college
talent that was coming out this year. There was you know, nobody, how.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Is it that bad?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Rick?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
How is it that bad? Nobody from here can play
this game.
Speaker 9 (29:44):
It's a combination of things. So number one, because of COVID,
everybody got an extra year of eligibility, and so college
coaches are not going to play younger players like They're
going to stick with the guys that are already in
the program. They have next year, They're gonna play that
fifty year senior rather than play a potential one and
(30:04):
done guy. And then the other part is the transfer
for the like, if you're building a program and I
can go get a guy who's already played a year
or two improved that he can play collegiately, I'm going
to go get that guy rather than sign a freshman,
a kid straight out of high school. So the kids
that were good enough to get recruited and get deals,
(30:29):
they didn't play the same roles that they normally would
in college this year, and so there was just there
wasn't the same development, and that's for you know. And
then the guys that were beyond the one and done
the same thing, they were in the same thing where
they just had up a classmen that were getting most
of the touches, most of the shots, most of the minutes,
(30:50):
and so they didn't get a chance to show out
or develop the way they normally would in playing the
role that they would. So it's a combination of things
that and and then the bigger picture just is is
the way that AA basketball is being is being taught.
I'm actually I'm writing a book right now about coachable
(31:10):
difference between good and great and and it's really at
the motivation for me is is seen so many parents
with really good athletes who are forum shopping or shopping
thinking I have to be in the right program, I
have to have the right coach. Uh. And anytime they
get challenged, UH, then it's well, you know, I'll go
(31:32):
to this, I'll go to the program over here. That's
it's not going to be as hard on you. It's
gonna it's gonna you know, calto to to what I want.
And the guys and the athletes that I've spoken to
who have persevered or have overachieved, are one too who
didn't whose parents didn't let them do that, or they
(31:53):
refused to do that. They didn't leave their AAU team.
They didn't They didn't cave when somebody challenged them and said,
you know what, you're not good enough or you don't
do this well enough. They figured out a way to
get better at that thing, not worrying about well, am
I going to get you know, am I going to
get D one scholarship? Am I going to get this?
Or am I going to get the scouts? Going to
(32:14):
see me? You know, the right people don't see me.
They were like you know what, let me let me
trust that if I develop my game and my ability,
that someone will find me. And that has been the
case that you we've sort of lost sight of that.
There's become this obsession with I need to be seen.
I need to be on the right team, playing with
(32:35):
the right people in the right places. And that's got
nothing to do with your ability to actually play the game.
At some points, you've got to show up and you
got to figure on that.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
That's that sounds great. That sounds like a fantastic book.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
And Rob and I talk a lot about that, Like,
you know, the international players are starting to take over
the NBA. I mean, we still got the best, but
you know I'm reading the top fifty.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
To overseas the coaches run the show.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Right team banged our college coaches look soft. I mean,
you know how it is over there.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Rick, It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I talk about it all the time.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
I want to see the ball brothers, not Lonzo, the
other two play in the game.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
In La and Rick.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
They cherry pick out a breakopp entire time.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Rick and just waited down on the other run for
the other kids to throw on the ball.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
I just couldn't believe it and the coach couldn't do anything.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
All right, that's Rick Buker. Great stuff, Rick Man, thanks.
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I guess Rob g explained.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
I wish that my boss was the University of Colorado because,
according to multiple outlets, the University of Colorado gave Dion
Sanders a discretionary bonus in the amount of two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars because he brought an extreme level
of national recognition to the university.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
How about winning a national championship?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
So you don't think they should have gave it.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
To him, No, I think that's a part of his deal, Chris.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
The money that they pay him, and what's two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars or one hundred and twenty five
after Uncle Sam gets his cut, It just seems like
there's no need for that. He's well compensated. Part of
his job is to represent the university and push it
to the forefront. We already know he's a high profile guy.
They know that when they signed him. That what's the
(35:16):
extra one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars for it
just seems minuscule to all the other stuff that comes
into play. And his yearly salary one hundred and twenty
five thousand after taxes.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Really well, I agree with your wording minuscule.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I'm just saying compared to that paying for his name
one twenty five.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Well, that's my point is that, now, look, they didn't
have to give him anything. No, I'm not saying they owed.
You know, they didn't have to give him anything. But
if they're going to give him a bonus for putting
Colorado football on the national map. It should have been
way more than two hundred and fifty thousand. It should
(35:58):
have been like another million. He makes about five million,
five to six million a year.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
It should have been another million.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Because you're right, at the end of the day, what
is that one hundred and twenty five thousand and fifty
thousand a million?
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Because it is true.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Look, Rob, don't think I mean you said national championship.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Of course that's the goal. But my goodness, all.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
The publicity they got, didn't their enrollment skyrocket?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
That happens when teams are good.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
In sports, and even if they're not good in sports,
they got a lot of publicity, like or whether it
was enrollment or.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Just at applications of skyrocketing.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
So a lot of times when the schools are good
in sports, they get more people applying, which leads to
more money. And all of this stuff, like what he
did for them went beyond football. And that's why I
think they're giving him a bonus. Again, they didn't have to.
I'm just saying, if you were gonna give him one,
make it significant, because he did. If you're if you're
(37:04):
admitting that was big, all that publicity then it was
a lot bigger than twenty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I'll tell you that, right, I just don't.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
I just I think that that should have been included,
Like that's part of his job, is is uh? Part
of his job, you know, is promoting the university and Chris,
if you win, all that stuff all factors in, and
he'll be rewarded as well. There'll be all kinds of
other stuff that happened and comes his way monetarily. It
(37:34):
just seems like a token amount of money that really
doesn't matter or doesn't really amount to much. It just
I don't even it's not even anything to brag about.
And I'm not trying to be a little one hundred
and twenty five or two hundred and fifty thousand. Most
people would gladly take that. But you get what I'm saying.
As far as Dion Sanders, yeah, I'm not much.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Like I said, they should have gave me more if
they were gonna give him anything. But hey, like you said,
and he's got plenty plenty of banks, so good for him.
It is the eye couple, Rob. You know, I'm heading
to a family reunion.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Let's have a great vacation and we'll see you soon.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Go rock the house, sex week, do your thing, and uh,
don't get too fat off those couples, all right, Cases
Smith and Mike Harmon are next.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Keep it locked.
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