May 15, 2025 • 39 mins
Rob and Kelvin use Rory McIlroy’s attitude towards his peers as a backdrop for a debate about whether or not a healthy animosity between competitors makes sports better and tell us why they were so disappointed in Jimmy Butler’s performance in Games 5 and 6 against the Minnesota Timberwolves.
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Speaker 4 (01:33):
That's right, you know, Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
We have so many different stories about how athletes you
and I talk about. One of them in the NBA
being Yiannis, how he kind of subscribes to that, I
don't want friends. I don't want to be talking to everybody.
Another one would be Lamar Jackson kind of the whole.
I ain't trying to be friends with all these quarterbacks
and all that he happens, even in golf. Apparently Rory
mclry said, I ain't trying to be anybody's best mate
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when I'm competing. And that was, of course as Bryson
Deshamba and him uh set to play together and it's
set to play together again, and everybody was questioning, Hey,
at the Masters last month, you didn't really seem to
be cordial, you didn't really seem to be talking with
and he talked about how he and his sports therapist
locked in, like, Yo, we need you to be locked in,
we need you to be focused on you, and that's
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gonna be the difference. And and then ultimately ended up being
successful for him. But the idea that you know, I
have to not be I have to be enemies, I
have to not socialize.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I feel like we over state that.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I feel like in maybe Roy's case, it worked because
golf is a singular sport, right. It's a sport where
you're by yourself. You're literally on your own, can't depend
on anybody else. I gotta lock it and focus because
it's my score versus their score.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I can understand that, but it kind of makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Rob how we're making it as if you're not competitive,
and if you're talking, if you have friends, you're not competitive.
If you know other guys within the league or no
other guys who you're cool with the enemy if you will.
And I think we sometimes go back to the old
days of the eighties and nineties. If you look at
the NBA, and man, they were hard nos. They didn't
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take it from nobody. They weren't fraternizing, they weren't friends.
I get the aau theory that happens nowadays, but pumped
up breaks a little bit. And I say that because
we are starting to lionize, we're starting to glorify them
a little bit as if they weren't literally friends and
in some cases best friends.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I gave you a couple examples.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Rob, you can be friends and be competitive when you're
in between the lines. I think that's what we're asking for,
meaning I don't care about your personal life.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Who you know who, family, go on vacation.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I give an example of Isaiah Thomas and Magic Johnson,
who are literally best friends like family, spend the weekends together,
go on trips together across the world, go on tour
and concert tours with Michael Jackson. And they played against
each other obviously as we know regularly, and yet they
were friends. Now obviously they fell out for a while
and were able to rekindle that. But the idea that
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Michael Jordan didn't have any friends, he didn't talk to
anybody such and such as a competitor because he knows people, man,
stop it. Michael Jordan, as we saw in the last Dance,
is chopping it up with Larry Bird, chapping it up
with Magic Johnson after games, meeting them in the tunnel
to the tune up, even going to golf with Danny
Ainge while they're competing in a playoff series. Yo after
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the game what you got up tomorrow, I'm going to
golf and to the tune of Danny Ainge beating him
on the golf course taking his money, and Michael Jordan
puts sixty three on their head the next game in
a loss. With that epic game where he puts sixty
three on them. Man Larry Bird says, that's God in
a bulls Jersey. So I don't like the idea that
it's either or rob like you can't be cool with guys,
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have relationship with a guy, and now you're not competitive.
And I completely get on the court. I need to
see competitive fight. I need to see that you both
were there and you want to smoke. But the idea
that these people aren't friends, like Bark and Jordan weren't
best friends for years, Like Jordan wasn't friends with Patrick
Ewing as you know, being in New York, and he
wasn't tight with Charles Oakley and so on and so forth.
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I just did Charles Oakley played together though.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Well, I know, back in early days of Chicago.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
But my point is they act as if you can't
be cool with people, you can't have relationship with people
and their families, and all of a sudden you're not
competitive or you're not about that life if you do. Now,
I agree this new school has gone too far with
the fratising in our face, trading jerseys and and and
you know, hanging out and all of that. And because
I believe this starts with the AAU. But just we
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we we go a little too far with back in
the day. And look how hard he was and gritty
and he didn't have any friends. He didn't talk to anybody.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Man.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
We come to find out Kobe Bryant had a lot
of people he was really tight with, cared about, mentored,
you know, behind the scenes if you will, so that
that's that's my thing on this is sometimes I think
we go too far with either or you're not competitive
if you have relationships with people.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
I don't believe that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I disagree. I think it's way out of out of
control right now.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
And you touched on it.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
The AAU there used to be a thing, and this
is where we talk about the competitive fire and balance.
You used to want to be the best basketball player
in the city of Detroit. Now the AAU strings together
the three or four best players on one team. You
beat up nobody, right, and there's not that competitive balance
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of wanting or a competitiveness of wanting to be the best.
I want to be the guy. I don't want to
be on somebody else's team. I don't want to gang
up with somebody else. I want to be my own.
That's why I respect Giannis a lot not to want
to be a part of that and to win a
championship on his own without having to go and join
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Miami because they knocked him out of the playoffs or
whatever it was.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
He decided to do his own thing.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And here's the problem that I think you're missing is
that people can manipulate you when you fall into that.
And you talked about it with all the jersey swapping
and all this other stuff. Draymond Green has been neutered
by Lebron James.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I'm just I'm gonna has been newtered.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
He went from kicking Lebron and the junk and right
and all that to now he's a yes man for Lebron.
He's the Lebron, is this, Lebron is that. And he
won't touch Lebron when they you know, like they're not.
It is not the same. And he treats Lebron differently
when it plays compared to before.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Will you agree with that or not give me that?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
No?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
No, no, And I don't think anybody can deny that.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
And that's what I'm talking about with you.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Gotta be careful not to fall for that Oakie dok,
which is to soften you up.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
You're cool. I'm gonna let you in on this. You're
gonna come to these parts, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And then it was a great Yeah, I totally agree
with you on this. I think what happened here, Rob
is once you start idolizing like the busines this, and yes,
that's when it gets weird. But I don't you know
that just we're cool guys, we're friends. I know that's
not Ramond much. Yeah, these guys got too they're too
locked into the other stuff, Like oh, look, how you're
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being a mogul. I want to be like you because
you're a mogul and you're running this ship and running this.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
But that affects your basketball and that's the problem, is
what I'm saying. His aggressiveness and the way he treats
Lebron on the court compared to before is.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Totally just saying he's laying them down now instead of
just slamming him.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Here you go, King, I'm gonna lay you down real quick.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah to he got he got on. He don't even
have not kid gloves. He has kid mittens. You don't
got those gloves.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You're using your charity boxing match, you know what I mean,
those big gloves that I had to knock Terry Foster out.
But you know what, you know what a great But
I'm gonna go with what I mean by this. I
think a great example of it. And we we keep
singing his praises in the multitude of ways. Anthony Edwards,
He's the perfect balance. I'm cool with Stephen Lebron and
these guys I'm on the us A team.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I love them. I know they're family.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
But you about to get this smoke in between these
white lines, in between the ninety four feet court.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I want to dust you off.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Katie, my favorite player all team, Come get of all time.
Come get the smoke. Steph, get the smoke. Lebron, get
the smoke. Yo kids get the smoke. Last year. And
I think he's the perfect balance to what I mean
of you can be cool with people but absolutely want
to annihilate them. And I do think there was an
era where guys got lost with that, where guys kind
of just they lost the competitive edge and they just
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were like, I'm just happy to be here. I'm making
good money and this is pretty dope.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I'm in the.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
NBA and I'm excited because you get guys who seemingly
got a little bit of that old school in him,
like that. Jalen Brown is a guy like that, got
a lot of respect for people, but I want to
beat you and bust your head, and I don't havessarily
be friendly on this court. Jalen Brunton has a little
bit of that. Again, Anthonyette was really being the king
of that. So I'm optimistic that some of these young
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guys are getting back to the man.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
We can be cool, I can we can be.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Playing Madden Online and all this stuff and whatever else
they play online, Halo. I don't know call of duty,
but when it comes to being competitive, when it comes
to this playoff series, I'm trying to destroy you. I'm
trying to take your head off, and then I'll call
you and check on your mama during the summer.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And I think I don't I don't think that I
think that that's a delicate.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
I can remember Magic, even Magic and Bird.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Who kissed during the playoffs, okay, on the cheek. Before
the games they got into it. There were there were
elbows and blood and and bruises.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
So so when they were on the court, they did
go at it and compete. And that's why people didn't
like totally go like, oh well, Isaiah's soft or Magic
or Magic soft on on eye open. No, I know,
And that's what I'm trying to say. But I think
today there's more idle idle worshiping and more uh where
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people are just way too There's a time and a
place for all that and to admire somebody, uh but
you don't need to be up under them or think
that they walk on water. And I think that's where
And it's like we talk about it in the media today.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I say it all the time. There's a lot of
media members now who are fanboys. I'm saying it.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I've been in this business for forty years and they're
rooting for people and they want people to win, and
they're mad when the Lakers getting knocked out, they think
like they were on the team or something. And there's
a lot of players as well who are. You can't
idolize people who you're trying to defeat. And that's why
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I think Lebron got to Draymond. To me, that's the
best example of changing somebody by bringing him into your
inner circle, right, showing him some things that he admires
of what you're doing, and then you're all on board.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Like the idea that he would even.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Talk about him being the goat and the greatest player
while they're still competitors is mind boggling to me.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I'm trying to beat him and win as minutes championships
as I can when I'm retired. You want to ask
me all that, that's fine. But he's going around campaigning
for Lebron like campaigning that's a Draymond.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Draymond is the two extremes.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
He's putting Rudy Gobert in a choke hold, and he
is team Lebron with pompoms. It is a is a
gret that is those are the two because he is
laying everybody else out elbow knocking them out, punching them,
choking them out.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
And that's not the case Lebron.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
But but yeah, just to for me to some minds
that I just I think what Roy McElroy's doing is
what he needed to do to lock in and focus,
especially considering all the failures he had had getting so
close but no cigar there at the Masters, And if
that's what he needed to do get in a singular sport,
I'm not mad at that, but the idea, I just
think that sometimes we overseell the that they didn't hated
each other back in the day, Like, no, you had
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a couple people who didn't like each other, but those
guys got they were all ultra competitive on the court
and absolutely went for a blood for blood, blood for
blow and I loved it, You loved it, We all
loved it.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I'll give you one example I want to share. I
want to forget this in baseball, Like the players in
the NBA they go into each other's locker room and hug,
help each other and all that stuff. Dude, when I
cover baseball on the day, a visiting player could never
come into their clubout like I don't care who you were,
who he was coming to see, you know what I mean.
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He could be coming to see Aaron Judge. You're gonna
take that outside. There's no way you're coming into our
like seriously, they would fight their teammate for them to
try to bring somebody another team, you know, a player
from another team into their clubhouse. That's it was supposed
to be. This is our place. I don't care what
relationship you have, and I'm not saying that you're trying
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to hurt people and all that, but you got to
keep a distance if you're trying to beat somebody. If
you get too close, you let your guard down. And
that's what's happened to Dreymond. So go ahead, go ahead,
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Speaker 5 (14:18):
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Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox, taking some calls,
just kind of your thoughts on Roy McElroy is saying, look, man,
I ain't trying to be cool with these people, you know,
specifically Deshambo. I don't want to do that. I'm trying
to lock in, lock focus so i can win. I
feel like you don't have to be I don't talk
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to anybody. I don't have a single friend in his
league guy, in order to be a competitor and want
to win. Rob says a little too much fraternizing eight
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Speaker 4 (15:39):
Who we Got?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
That's why me and Jim romar friends. I'm just saying,
ANDREU up Massachusetts, You're on the odd couple.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Fox is their story behind us. I'm gonna need it
after this call.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
There's no story what's going on?
Speaker 6 (15:55):
Thanks taking the call. Please return me to the early
nineties when the New York next to the Caple leadership
of Patrick Ewan, Charles Oakley, Charles Smith. Okay, we're battling
against Chicago Bulls and Michael Jordan. We know what happened
between the Bulls in the Pistons in the eighties. You know,
these where before social media, and you know, guys had
real animus towards one another, and there was more of
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the sense that, you know, I want to do it
for my team in my city. There was not even
a conception of guys teaming up to try to win
a championship. No, this is where I'm at. I want
to stay where I'm at, and I want to win
where I'm at, and all of the things are off
the table, So I like, I want to see more
of that. I think we do see a couple of instances,
right and be honest, previously deciding to stay Milwaukee, saying
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that I wanted to do it the hard way. You know,
I didn't want to jump on a super team. And
it's in this new era player empowerment no disrespect to
Lebron James and Clutch Sports because they've opened up so
many things and they've changed the paradigm. But there is
this notion that as soon as things get hard and
you know, and you're not a favorite, then it's.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
Time to go ahead and have a super team.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
And this is something that Charles at Barsley spoke to
specifically on inside the NBA and to your point about
guys really you know, no, I don't want to win
with you. I want to beat you and all the
night off the table. So more of that, more the
all through eighties and early nineties feude, and I think
basketball be better. Thanks taking a call.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
I think we're getting it. I think we're starting to
get more again. We talked about how physical this playoffs
has been. We're starting to get more guys that are competing.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I gave I gave you know Edwards being a perfect
example to me of the perfect balance of like, YO
shows respect, He's cool people, but on the court, I'm
trying to destroy you.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
And I love it again.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I think he's just going to continue to be the
guy we point to for so many coming out. I
want to play eighty two games. I think He's going
to be the poster child for a lot of these conversations.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Rob G, do you have where are you on this
curious As a younger.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
Guy, I think that there's a happy medium that can
be had because you know, I grew up with Kobe
as my guy. I was a Laker fan, right and
Kobe famously, you know, was the black Mama Mama and town.
I try to kill you if time we're on the court.
But when he went against Dirk Novinsky, when he went
again it's Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Tim Duncan, there was
this respect factor where it's like, I don't hate you,
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and we're gonna go at it as much as possible.
We're gonna play hard, we're gonna be physical, but if
I elbow you in the chest, you I'm gonna pig
you backup because we gotta finish this. And I think
that that's that's the kind of the sweet spot that
I would like to see. I really don't like what
we have now where everybody's a friend and everybody you know,
is onto each other's podcast or you know. I I
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enjoy when teams don't like each other. I enjoy when
you get to game six of a playoff, and these
guys like Houston and Golden State, they could not stand
each other by game four.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Like exactly, like there was a little rub.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, is good.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
That's I think we're well, that was crazy. I think
we're I think we're absolutely getting that though. I think, yeah,
I think we do like that, right, Alice?
Speaker 5 (18:54):
You got that, don't you?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Yeah? I think we getting up.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
We got the Houstons in again, we got the Warriors,
we got that pisses Knicks with Chippy. I just think
I think we've had or even Orlando and the Celtics
with Chippy. I think we've getten back to that a
little bit. But I'll ask you to this before we
before we call it a break on this one. How
much and I think that I'm really asking, just honestly,
how much do you think money weighs into this when
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you come out? These guys are coming out early as heck, dude,
I've been playing these guys at AAU since I was
thirteen and then now I'm nineteen in the league twenty dude,
we make it. I just signed a new deal with
Nike for ten twelve. That shouldn't happen. That shouldn't be
a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
That should be that shouldn't take away your competitiveness to win.
Like I get the money part, and you see it
in other sports where people are still trying to knock
you down or whatever it is, or not let you
beat them.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
That's all we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I'm not talking about occasionally if you bump into somebody,
you can't talk to them, or you can't you know,
at some point have some sort of mutual respect people.
But it's way too buddy buddies, with the with the
camps and vacations together.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
It's just hard to.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Beat up on somebody if if he took if he
was nice to your kids, and you know what I mean, like,
there's all kinds of stuff that just goes with.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
That happened Robs. You were there, It happened so much.
We just didn't Dude, I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I disagree with I don't think you could give me
And the Draymond to me is the one that's the
most clearing, seriously, because he if you if you haven't
seen the change in him with to Lebron, then you're
not being honest.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
With no, no, no, we agree on that, but he's
the guy who's supposed to be doing all the dirty
work for the Warriors and the and the bad guy
uh and and kicking Lebron and the groin and all
that when they were trying to win, and then Lebron
new to them like that that.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
But this is my last point, both robs.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
If we heard that Lebron went golfing with Thompson in
the middle of those series, you know, going up against
the Cavs Warriors, we would rip him a new one.
And I think right now because we hear everything because
we literally see it because there's camera phones, so we
see them out after game, out at dinner, or we
see them on vacation, or we see them on the podcast.
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I'm just saying I think had we had visual ability
to see all these guys hanging out at clubs after
you how many stories we hear about them tearing the
clubs down after games, opposing teams and golfing and hanging
out with family and magic Johnsonsiah Top literally going on
year after year after year family trips. Like I think
we overseail as if they just hated everybody back in
the day. I think they just had the perfect temperament
(21:38):
when it got to the court, I'm going to destroy
you for these forty eight minutes. I want to battle
you with these forty eight minutes. I think if we
had the ability to see all the stuff that they
were doing and hanging and going and tearing the clubs
down in the discos, we would be like, Oh, they
was hanging way more than they sold me on that
they were.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
That's all I'm saying. Well, Dub, and also go back
to your original point about the money. I think that
that point is well taken because if you were to
really dive into you know, obviously this era is you know,
softer for lack of better world. When it comes to
that kind of animosity towards each other, it's actually the
guys who are the ones who are still keeping it
alive with that ultra competitive, ultra physical you know, I
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dislike you for this series. It's not the star players,
it's the other guys. It's the role players. And that's
something that to your point, when you're making seventy million
dollars a year, you know, it's kind of hard to
be upset.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
All the time.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Life's pretty good.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Yeah, So you know, I know fifteen is still a lot,
but relative to the rest of your your peers, like
Dylan Brooks is the guy who's upset, you know for
Houston Rockets. It's not Fred van Vliet who's making forty four.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
No I say it, I think money when you got
in it.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And not to mention Innio, these kids are making crazy
money out of high school and all that.
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Speaker 4 (23:06):
All right, I have a wonderful night, brother, appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
It is the Eye couple, Robin Kelvin on a TV
themes on Thursday and Rob g Man.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
You know, we had a series that everybody.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Thinks could have been a little bit different, including Steve Kerr,
who believes they had a shot to go all the
way to the finals. The Warriors had Steph Curry not
gonna get down and gain one of this series Versusptember.
Well the form now it's over the series versus Timberwolves,
and that.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Could be you never know.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I do believe I think even you may agree this
was a wide open pretty much even in the Eastern
or Western Conference, where there was really no prohibited favorite.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
You could say, Oh I got Denver, Oh I got
the Warriors, Oh I got I think this is okaycas
here to finally get it done. I mean you could
see where the West was wide open, so I could
see why Steve Kerr felt like, Hey, what's Steve, What's
Steph Curry?
Speaker 4 (23:55):
We got a shot.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
But I think what I was disappointed with in this series,
and specifically for Warriors, was Jimmy Butler. And I think
Jimmy Butler reminded us of why there are tiers and
why he never quite got to that tier one of
his peers. And it wasn't on an individual night that
he couldn't do it. And it wasn't on an individual
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game or even a series here or there that he
couldn't be one of the best players. And you say,
all right, he's one of those. But I think throughout
his career he's had to be more measured, he's had
to be more efficient. He's taken a lot of games
off or he'll play pretty chill during the regular season.
She's trying to ramp up to the playoffs, and I
think he reminded us of that's the guy he is.
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And I know he was banged up, and I know
he was a little under the weather, but still that guy.
Because I guarantee you if Steph Curry was a little
under the weather, he still would have let the clip,
He would have emptied the clip. He would not have
taken a total of I believe it's nineteen shots twenty
shots in two games do or Die games, games that
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they need he needed you, games that we didn't need
you to be Robin, we need you to be Batman.
And I think he kind of was playing up the
bat the Robbin roll a little too much for me
as well throughout the last couple of months, where he
would say, oh, man, Steph's Batman. I'm just happy to
be Robbin. I'm just happy to be Robin. It's okay
to be your thrower. I'm ant Man, your throw I'm
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spider Man, I'm iron Man, and your throor it's okay
to be that. And I just thought he would be
able to say, Hey, we're gonna go down. We're gonna
go down with me shooting. We're gonna go down with
me giving him by all. We're gonna get down competing,
not taking nine shots two games ago, and then last
game only taking eleven shots, and an elimination game where
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you are by far the best offensive player. You are,
by far the guy who can get it done on
his own, who doesn't need someone else to create the shots.
So I was disappointed. I think in those two games
where I get I know, especially the two games ago,
he was under the weather, it wasn't feeling great, but
I think he even took away from himself from happening
(26:03):
what potentially could be what do we call Jordan a
flu game. You know, we've seen other players be sick,
be under weather and steal ball out, show out and
have an epic, iconic game when we knew they were
going through it, And I think he kind of robbed
himself for that moment and do all you needed to
do was win one more because there were reports that
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Steph Curry was going to give it a go and
try to give it a go for game six, and
all you.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Needed to do was win one more.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Because then, as you've called him, Jimmy Batman will be returning.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
He may be banged up some not himself, but he
would be back. And so I think two games in
a row. I thought I would get more from Jimmy.
I thought I would get Jimmy that we saw against
the Laker in the finals, you know, back in twenty twenty.
And I think he was just too measured, too efficient,
too calm, too collected. It's all right to go, hey, wire,
It's all right to put up thirty five shots tonight
(26:58):
because we need it. If I'm dramon, hey, I need
you tonight the way Draymond winning. Kevin to remember that
epic video him looked like he was preaching to it.
So I needed that go preach to Jimmy, let it fly.
If we gonna lose, we gonna lose empty and the clip.
And I was a little disappointed for Jimmy for how
good he is. And I just thought I would get
(27:19):
that version of him last night and even in the
game prior to that Game four, and I didn't get that.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I think that you're you're so right you can't turn
left right now.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
And actually, what you're doing is you're kind of short
changing yourself because this is not a Jimmy Butler this
series problem. This is actually a Jimmy Butler historical problem. Yeah,
Kevin O'Connor does a great job with Yahoo putting this
out on Twitter late last night. In his last eleven
elimination games, Jimmy Butler's teams three and eight. You know,
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it's not really his fault. Totally depends on the matchup, right,
He's averaging twenty one points a game. Again, not great,
not terrible. This is the bad bar. This is the
damning part of the whole thing. He's only averaging sixteen
and a half field goal attempts across his last eleven
elimination games. To your point, the reason why we have you,
the reason why you have the nickname that everybody you
(28:14):
know talks about in hush tones around the league. Oh,
playoff Jimmy is here. Have you guys heard about playoff Jimmy?
Watch out for the Warriors. Playoff Jimmy and Steph. It's
gonna be a problem for all of his reputation. And again,
he's had some phenomenal games in the postseason since the
bubble when he earned the Playoff Jimmy nickname for dragging
that ragtag group of Miami players to the finals and
(28:37):
lose to Lebron an ad and in five games or
six games. Excuse me, he's had the reputation as being
a playoff riser, a playoff performer that would lead you
to believe that maybe he is on par at least
in the postseason with a KD with a Steph, with
a Lebron, with a Kawhi with on Whoever, the reality
is since the Bubble, Jimmy Butler has played fifty three
(29:04):
playoff games. In twenty of those games, he has scored
twenty or less points, which means he is just as
likely to turn in a solid, okay game as he
is to turn in a quote unquote playoff Jimmy game.
And if you're gonna have a reputation as a you know,
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playoff riser of one of these mythical creatures that we
have in the NBA, then I need to see you
have that same intensity, not once a series or twice
a series, but throughout a series, and especially in a
situation like we saw this week, when your best player
is out and your back is against the wall. I
need you to whether you score forty or not, I
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need you to take thirty shots. I need I can't
have Brandon Pajemski leading my team in shot attempts. We
brought you here, and we're paying you sixty million dollars
a season to be the guy in those situations and
too many times in his postseason career, despite his nickname,
Jimmy Butler, is cool with just being one of the guys.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
And that's a problem. Absolutely. I couldn't agree with you more.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And I think that's again why I say he reminded
us why he's always been that tier just below the
other top ten, twelve to fifteen guys in the league
during his his career, because there's something about him again
that's collected, that's measured, that's patient, and sometimes patient's gotta
be dang right, you gotta throw that out the window.
Tonight calls for something different, and tonight calls for me
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to absolutely go nuts.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
And that's why even Lebron, who.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Could argue is the greatest of all time, second greatest,
third gradest wherever you want to put up, top two three,
even he's sometimes pill folks would have been mad, why
can't you go Game six versus Celtics more often? Why
can't you go you know, forty one, forty one triple
double more often?
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Because you feel like, man, he can be able to
turn that on at any given moment.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
And that's what Jimmy, you feel like at times, can
do because we've seen him do this.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
There's no way I need you shooting nine.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Field goal attempts in a game four where we need
to not lose this game. There's no way you put
up eleven attempts in an elimination game where we have
a lot riding on this and we know things change,
meaning if this doesn't work out, there's no yes, he
signed an extension, there's no guarantee that maybe they you
know what, we're gonna switch Jimmy around. Maybe Draymondus was
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the end of the row. We can get something for
you while we can or whatever. These things happen, and
you know you had a break in case of emergency
in a game six, Steph Curry need be where if
maybe he's just seventy five percent, but maybe seventy five
percent is good enough to get us to a game
seven and after that it's a great crap shoot. And
I think Jimmy Butler lost an opportunity to be the
(31:49):
Jalen Brown. Jason Tatum goes down and Jaylen Brown said,
I got us. I've probably I'm sure he would say
he feels it equally as good as Jason Tatum. Right,
he says he's, you know, lesser than but I'm sure
he probably feels like I'm just as good. And he
showed up and got that team to believe and they
get a big win.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
And I believe Jimmy was capable.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Of that again at least trying to compete and give
themselves a shot. And I think they would have loved
to have had that extra boost of energy, even if
he's missing shots, to see him attempting him, to see
him going after it, and I just think it's just
for whatever reason, it's never really fully been in his makeup.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
And I think maybe.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Deep down quietly, rob Gie, he still believes he's that
three and D kind of guy, you know what I
mean that he started off being with the Bulls like
I can score when I need to, but I'm more
of a lock up, more of a you know, move
the move the ball around. I get my shots when
I need him. And it's like, no, dude, you're a
bonafi scorer when you when you have.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Needed to be in this league and we needed you last.
Speaker 8 (32:48):
Night, and I'll tell you and quickly on this right,
No up against it had he had one of those
games where he says, you know what, I'm gonna empty
the clip as you say, I'm gonna take thirty one shots.
If he would have went for thirty one, I promise you,
nobody is criticizing him, not at all, because it exactly
they know, Hey, you don't have your best player, you're
down three to one. Your only hope is to something
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miraculous that but you're clearly outgunned. We're gonna go down
with you. We're gonna go down at all, like that's
gonna be the And it reminds me quickly. I don't
know if you remember this series, OKC Versus of the Jazz.
This was in twenty eighteen. This was the end of
the Carmelo Anthony, Paul George, Russell Westbrook Big Three. If
you were to call this game, ye, yeah, the elimination game.
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Carmelo Anthony takes seven shots, Paul George takes sixteen shots,
Russell Westbrook took forty three attempts, and nobody said a
damn thing about Russ going going eighteen for forty three
because he said, hey, these other guys are not shooting
the ball right like these is a big three that we.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Have and you guys have a combined to take twenty
three shots.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
When the two of you, Russ is like, well, screw it,
I'll take all the shots that If you guys are not,
you're not gonna ride to the moment. I might not
make them all, but I'm not gonna go down meekly.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
If we're going down, we're going down fight, We're going
down scrapping. And I thought I would get that from
Jimmy Butler, and I was disappointed. As a matter of fact, again,
Robb g two games in a row. It wasn't one.
And then the two games in a row nine attimps,
eleven attempts. They needed more from him, all right? Last
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Speaker 10 (35:40):
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Speaker 4 (36:00):
All right, Lasko, who we got? Mark in Sacramento. You're
the last call.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
You're in the eye couple, Mark, what you got?
Speaker 7 (36:07):
What's going on, gentlemen? How you guys doing today?
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Doing great?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Mark?
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Appreciate the call man. How's the book going?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (36:15):
Doing okay? It's it's it's getting up there, it's getting
it's getting some plays. So I'm happy.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Go good.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
What you got real quick? This is going out to
all the guys. At the beginning of the playoffs, wanted
the Lakers and the Warriors to get to the finals
and to meet each other. They were panasizing and trying
to manifest it.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
You could hear it in it.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
You could hear it in the reporting, even in some
of the announcers. They weren't giving the young teams enough credit,
and they kept trying to find excuses or reasons to
get the Lakers or the Warriors there. They kept wanting it.
And it was a lot of you. There was most
of the major guys. And I didn't I just say anything.
But what they were doing was they were they were
resume reading instead of seeing who these teams were. And
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they found out that you can't just try to manifest
by reading their resume telling them us how many rings
they got, but they're the greatest shooters of all time
or the greatest scores of all time, and not looking
at those teams and go, wait a minute, These young
teams are bigger, stronger and faster. And I said to
you guys, big Bank was gonna take them the bank,
and those small ball teams are gonna get crushed. Those
small ball teams got crushed.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Hey, Marco, no good point. But listen, I'll say this though,
a couple of things. I think when you look at
Luca gets to the finals last year, and then you
team them up with a little Laker team that actually
have been playing performing well, and then now you pair
it up, they go on a nice little run and
you see it get all the way up to what
the three seed.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
So I think you're thinking, if I got Luca, who can.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Drag teams to the finals, and I got Lebron who's
still playing at a top fifteen to all NBA player level,
then that could be something, especially to me when some
of the teams you're referred to had been unproven, like
the Rockets who lost, you know, and after that words,
now I think the Timberwolves. I thought that was a
bad setting on there. I thought that was a bad
raw for the Lakers. Lakers should have won it Houston
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or won it obviously Memphis, some other teams, and well, we.
Speaker 8 (38:06):
Also can't discount the fact that Luca was banged up
Lucas whole series.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
To what I was about.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
You know, it's Steph plays, Mark, you might not be
called with all that bravado in your chest if Steph plays,
because Steph might have walked right to the Western Conwerence finals. Again,
you never know, so, but I do get your point,
and I think it's a good thing I think Houston
is gonna be a really good team, and they have
enough pieces they can actually go get a veteran presence
if they want.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
I think.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Obviously Anthony Edwards now headed to the Western Conference finals
two years in a row. Roger, you know I picked Minnesota.
That's right in the beginning of this year when we
made our position.
Speaker 8 (38:39):
I'll tell you what, I'm pretty excited that it's looking
like the final I mean, we're still waiting right now,
but it's looking like the final four is gonna be
OKAC Minnesota, New York, and Indiana. One thing all those
four teams have in common is they're all relatively healthy.
So we're not gonna get an NBA finals. We don't
think where a key player is gonna be hobbled, and
we're just hoping they can hang on. We're gonna get
the best of the best in this final four were
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ideally I'm hoping.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
So I'm hoping. So we'll see what I mean. Obviously,
Boston would want to say, don't disrespect us. We still
got a shot.
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Speaker 4 (01:33):
That's right, you know, Rob.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
We have so many different stories about how athletes you
and I talk about. One of them in the NBA
being Yiannis, how he kind of subscribes to that, I
don't want friends. I don't want to be talking to everybody.
Another one would be Lamar Jackson kind of the whole.
I ain't trying to be friends with all these quarterbacks
and all that he happens, even in golf. Apparently Rory
mclry said, I ain't trying to be anybody's best mate
(01:58):
when I'm competing. And that was, of course as Bryson
Deshamba and him uh set to play together and it's
set to play together again, and everybody was questioning, Hey,
at the Masters last month, you didn't really seem to
be cordial, you didn't really seem to be talking with
and he talked about how he and his sports therapist
locked in, like, Yo, we need you to be locked in,
we need you to be focused on you, and that's
(02:19):
gonna be the difference. And and then ultimately ended up being
successful for him. But the idea that you know, I
have to not be I have to be enemies, I
have to not socialize.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I feel like we over state that.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I feel like in maybe Roy's case, it worked because
golf is a singular sport, right. It's a sport where
you're by yourself. You're literally on your own, can't depend
on anybody else. I gotta lock it and focus because
it's my score versus their score.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I can understand that, but it kind of makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Rob how we're making it as if you're not competitive,
and if you're talking, if you have friends, you're not competitive.
If you know other guys within the league or no
other guys who you're cool with the enemy if you will.
And I think we sometimes go back to the old
days of the eighties and nineties. If you look at
the NBA, and man, they were hard nos. They didn't
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take it from nobody. They weren't fraternizing, they weren't friends.
I get the aau theory that happens nowadays, but pumped
up breaks a little bit. And I say that because
we are starting to lionize, we're starting to glorify them
a little bit as if they weren't literally friends and
in some cases best friends.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I gave you a couple examples.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Rob, you can be friends and be competitive when you're
in between the lines. I think that's what we're asking for,
meaning I don't care about your personal life.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Who you know who, family, go on vacation.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I give an example of Isaiah Thomas and Magic Johnson,
who are literally best friends like family, spend the weekends together,
go on trips together across the world, go on tour
and concert tours with Michael Jackson. And they played against
each other obviously as we know regularly, and yet they
were friends. Now obviously they fell out for a while
and were able to rekindle that. But the idea that
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Michael Jordan didn't have any friends, he didn't talk to
anybody such and such as a competitor because he knows people, man,
stop it. Michael Jordan, as we saw in the last Dance,
is chopping it up with Larry Bird, chapping it up
with Magic Johnson after games, meeting them in the tunnel
to the tune up, even going to golf with Danny
Ainge while they're competing in a playoff series. Yo after
(04:27):
the game what you got up tomorrow, I'm going to
golf and to the tune of Danny Ainge beating him
on the golf course taking his money, and Michael Jordan
puts sixty three on their head the next game in
a loss. With that epic game where he puts sixty
three on them. Man Larry Bird says, that's God in
a bulls Jersey. So I don't like the idea that
it's either or rob like you can't be cool with guys,
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have relationship with a guy, and now you're not competitive.
And I completely get on the court. I need to
see competitive fight. I need to see that you both
were there and you want to smoke. But the idea
that these people aren't friends, like Bark and Jordan weren't
best friends for years, Like Jordan wasn't friends with Patrick
Ewing as you know, being in New York, and he
wasn't tight with Charles Oakley and so on and so forth.
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I just did Charles Oakley played together though.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Well, I know, back in early days of Chicago.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
But my point is they act as if you can't
be cool with people, you can't have relationship with people
and their families, and all of a sudden you're not
competitive or you're not about that life if you do. Now,
I agree this new school has gone too far with
the fratising in our face, trading jerseys and and and
you know, hanging out and all of that. And because
I believe this starts with the AAU. But just we
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we we go a little too far with back in
the day. And look how hard he was and gritty
and he didn't have any friends. He didn't talk to anybody.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Man.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
We come to find out Kobe Bryant had a lot
of people he was really tight with, cared about, mentored,
you know, behind the scenes if you will, so that
that's that's my thing on this is sometimes I think
we go too far with either or you're not competitive
if you have relationships with people.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
I don't believe that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I disagree. I think it's way out of out of
control right now.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
And you touched on it.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
The AAU there used to be a thing, and this
is where we talk about the competitive fire and balance.
You used to want to be the best basketball player
in the city of Detroit. Now the AAU strings together
the three or four best players on one team. You
beat up nobody, right, and there's not that competitive balance
(06:22):
of wanting or a competitiveness of wanting to be the best.
I want to be the guy. I don't want to
be on somebody else's team. I don't want to gang
up with somebody else. I want to be my own.
That's why I respect Giannis a lot not to want
to be a part of that and to win a
championship on his own without having to go and join
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Miami because they knocked him out of the playoffs or
whatever it was.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
He decided to do his own thing.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And here's the problem that I think you're missing is
that people can manipulate you when you fall into that.
And you talked about it with all the jersey swapping
and all this other stuff. Draymond Green has been neutered
by Lebron James.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I'm just I'm gonna has been newtered.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
He went from kicking Lebron and the junk and right
and all that to now he's a yes man for Lebron.
He's the Lebron, is this, Lebron is that. And he
won't touch Lebron when they you know, like they're not.
It is not the same. And he treats Lebron differently
when it plays compared to before.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Will you agree with that or not give me that?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
No?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
No, no, And I don't think anybody can deny that.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
And that's what I'm talking about with you.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Gotta be careful not to fall for that Oakie dok,
which is to soften you up.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
You're cool. I'm gonna let you in on this. You're
gonna come to these parts, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And then it was a great Yeah, I totally agree
with you on this. I think what happened here, Rob
is once you start idolizing like the busines this, and yes,
that's when it gets weird. But I don't you know
that just we're cool guys, we're friends. I know that's
not Ramond much. Yeah, these guys got too they're too
locked into the other stuff, Like oh, look, how you're
(08:12):
being a mogul. I want to be like you because
you're a mogul and you're running this ship and running this.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
But that affects your basketball and that's the problem, is
what I'm saying. His aggressiveness and the way he treats
Lebron on the court compared to before is.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Totally just saying he's laying them down now instead of
just slamming him.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Here you go, King, I'm gonna lay you down real quick.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah to he got he got on. He don't even
have not kid gloves. He has kid mittens. You don't
got those gloves.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
You're using your charity boxing match, you know what I mean,
those big gloves that I had to knock Terry Foster out.
But you know what, you know what a great But
I'm gonna go with what I mean by this. I
think a great example of it. And we we keep
singing his praises in the multitude of ways. Anthony Edwards,
He's the perfect balance. I'm cool with Stephen Lebron and
these guys I'm on the us A team.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I love them. I know they're family.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
But you about to get this smoke in between these
white lines, in between the ninety four feet court.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I want to dust you off.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Katie, my favorite player all team, Come get of all time.
Come get the smoke. Steph, get the smoke. Lebron, get
the smoke. Yo kids get the smoke. Last year. And
I think he's the perfect balance to what I mean
of you can be cool with people but absolutely want
to annihilate them. And I do think there was an
era where guys got lost with that, where guys kind
of just they lost the competitive edge and they just
(09:30):
were like, I'm just happy to be here. I'm making
good money and this is pretty dope.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I'm in the.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
NBA and I'm excited because you get guys who seemingly
got a little bit of that old school in him,
like that. Jalen Brown is a guy like that, got
a lot of respect for people, but I want to
beat you and bust your head, and I don't havessarily
be friendly on this court. Jalen Brunton has a little
bit of that. Again, Anthonyette was really being the king
of that. So I'm optimistic that some of these young
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guys are getting back to the man.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
We can be cool, I can we can be.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Playing Madden Online and all this stuff and whatever else
they play online, Halo. I don't know call of duty,
but when it comes to being competitive, when it comes
to this playoff series, I'm trying to destroy you. I'm
trying to take your head off, and then I'll call
you and check on your mama during the summer.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And I think I don't I don't think that I
think that that's a delicate.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
I can remember Magic, even Magic and Bird.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Who kissed during the playoffs, okay, on the cheek. Before
the games they got into it. There were there were
elbows and blood and and bruises.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
So so when they were on the court, they did
go at it and compete. And that's why people didn't
like totally go like, oh well, Isaiah's soft or Magic
or Magic soft on on eye open. No, I know,
And that's what I'm trying to say. But I think
today there's more idle idle worshiping and more uh where
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people are just way too There's a time and a
place for all that and to admire somebody, uh but
you don't need to be up under them or think
that they walk on water. And I think that's where
And it's like we talk about it in the media today.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I say it all the time. There's a lot of
media members now who are fanboys. I'm saying it.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I've been in this business for forty years and they're
rooting for people and they want people to win, and
they're mad when the Lakers getting knocked out, they think
like they were on the team or something. And there's
a lot of players as well who are. You can't
idolize people who you're trying to defeat. And that's why
(11:35):
I think Lebron got to Draymond. To me, that's the
best example of changing somebody by bringing him into your
inner circle, right, showing him some things that he admires
of what you're doing, and then you're all on board.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Like the idea that he would even.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Talk about him being the goat and the greatest player
while they're still competitors is mind boggling to me.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I'm trying to beat him and win as minutes championships
as I can when I'm retired. You want to ask
me all that, that's fine. But he's going around campaigning
for Lebron like campaigning that's a Draymond.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Draymond is the two extremes.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
He's putting Rudy Gobert in a choke hold, and he
is team Lebron with pompoms. It is a is a
gret that is those are the two because he is
laying everybody else out elbow knocking them out, punching them,
choking them out.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
And that's not the case Lebron.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
But but yeah, just to for me to some minds
that I just I think what Roy McElroy's doing is
what he needed to do to lock in and focus,
especially considering all the failures he had had getting so
close but no cigar there at the Masters, And if
that's what he needed to do get in a singular sport,
I'm not mad at that, but the idea, I just
think that sometimes we overseell the that they didn't hated
each other back in the day, Like, no, you had
(12:53):
a couple people who didn't like each other, but those
guys got they were all ultra competitive on the court
and absolutely went for a blood for blood, blood for
blow and I loved it, You loved it, We all
loved it.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I'll give you one example I want to share. I
want to forget this in baseball, Like the players in
the NBA they go into each other's locker room and hug,
help each other and all that stuff. Dude, when I
cover baseball on the day, a visiting player could never
come into their clubout like I don't care who you were,
who he was coming to see, you know what I mean.
(13:25):
He could be coming to see Aaron Judge. You're gonna
take that outside. There's no way you're coming into our
like seriously, they would fight their teammate for them to
try to bring somebody another team, you know, a player
from another team into their clubhouse. That's it was supposed
to be. This is our place. I don't care what
relationship you have, and I'm not saying that you're trying
(13:47):
to hurt people and all that, but you got to
keep a distance if you're trying to beat somebody. If
you get too close, you let your guard down. And
that's what's happened to Dreymond. So go ahead, go ahead,
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Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox, taking some calls,
just kind of your thoughts on Roy McElroy is saying, look, man,
I ain't trying to be cool with these people, you know,
specifically Deshambo. I don't want to do that. I'm trying
to lock in, lock focus so i can win. I
feel like you don't have to be I don't talk
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to anybody. I don't have a single friend in his
league guy, in order to be a competitor and want
to win. Rob says a little too much fraternizing eight
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Speaker 4 (15:39):
Who we Got?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
That's why me and Jim romar friends. I'm just saying,
ANDREU up Massachusetts, You're on the odd couple.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Fox is their story behind us. I'm gonna need it
after this call.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
There's no story what's going on?
Speaker 6 (15:55):
Thanks taking the call. Please return me to the early
nineties when the New York next to the Caple leadership
of Patrick Ewan, Charles Oakley, Charles Smith. Okay, we're battling
against Chicago Bulls and Michael Jordan. We know what happened
between the Bulls in the Pistons in the eighties. You know,
these where before social media, and you know, guys had
real animus towards one another, and there was more of
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the sense that, you know, I want to do it
for my team in my city. There was not even
a conception of guys teaming up to try to win
a championship. No, this is where I'm at. I want
to stay where I'm at, and I want to win
where I'm at, and all of the things are off
the table, So I like, I want to see more
of that. I think we do see a couple of instances,
right and be honest, previously deciding to stay Milwaukee, saying
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that I wanted to do it the hard way. You know,
I didn't want to jump on a super team. And
it's in this new era player empowerment no disrespect to
Lebron James and Clutch Sports because they've opened up so
many things and they've changed the paradigm. But there is
this notion that as soon as things get hard and
you know, and you're not a favorite, then it's.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
Time to go ahead and have a super team.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
And this is something that Charles at Barsley spoke to
specifically on inside the NBA and to your point about
guys really you know, no, I don't want to win
with you. I want to beat you and all the
night off the table. So more of that, more the
all through eighties and early nineties feude, and I think
basketball be better. Thanks taking a call.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
I think we're getting it. I think we're starting to
get more again. We talked about how physical this playoffs
has been. We're starting to get more guys that are competing.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I gave I gave you know Edwards being a perfect
example to me of the perfect balance of like, YO
shows respect, He's cool people, but on the court, I'm
trying to destroy you.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
And I love it again.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I think he's just going to continue to be the
guy we point to for so many coming out. I
want to play eighty two games. I think He's going
to be the poster child for a lot of these conversations.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Rob G, do you have where are you on this
curious As a younger.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
Guy, I think that there's a happy medium that can
be had because you know, I grew up with Kobe
as my guy. I was a Laker fan, right and
Kobe famously, you know, was the black Mama Mama and town.
I try to kill you if time we're on the court.
But when he went against Dirk Novinsky, when he went
again it's Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Tim Duncan, there was
this respect factor where it's like, I don't hate you,
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and we're gonna go at it as much as possible.
We're gonna play hard, we're gonna be physical, but if
I elbow you in the chest, you I'm gonna pig
you backup because we gotta finish this. And I think
that that's that's the kind of the sweet spot that
I would like to see. I really don't like what
we have now where everybody's a friend and everybody you know,
is onto each other's podcast or you know. I I
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enjoy when teams don't like each other. I enjoy when
you get to game six of a playoff, and these
guys like Houston and Golden State, they could not stand
each other by game four.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Like exactly, like there was a little rub.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yeah, is good.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
That's I think we're well, that was crazy. I think
we're I think we're absolutely getting that though. I think, yeah,
I think we do like that, right, Alice?
Speaker 5 (18:54):
You got that, don't you?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Yeah? I think we getting up.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
We got the Houstons in again, we got the Warriors,
we got that pisses Knicks with Chippy. I just think
I think we've had or even Orlando and the Celtics
with Chippy. I think we've getten back to that a
little bit. But I'll ask you to this before we
before we call it a break on this one. How
much and I think that I'm really asking, just honestly,
how much do you think money weighs into this when
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you come out? These guys are coming out early as heck, dude,
I've been playing these guys at AAU since I was
thirteen and then now I'm nineteen in the league twenty dude,
we make it. I just signed a new deal with
Nike for ten twelve. That shouldn't happen. That shouldn't be
a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
That should be that shouldn't take away your competitiveness to win.
Like I get the money part, and you see it
in other sports where people are still trying to knock
you down or whatever it is, or not let you
beat them.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
That's all we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
I'm not talking about occasionally if you bump into somebody,
you can't talk to them, or you can't you know,
at some point have some sort of mutual respect people.
But it's way too buddy buddies, with the with the
camps and vacations together.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
It's just hard to.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Beat up on somebody if if he took if he
was nice to your kids, and you know what I mean, like,
there's all kinds of stuff that just goes with.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
That happened Robs. You were there, It happened so much.
We just didn't Dude, I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I disagree with I don't think you could give me
And the Draymond to me is the one that's the
most clearing, seriously, because he if you if you haven't
seen the change in him with to Lebron, then you're
not being honest.
Speaker 9 (20:33):
With no, no, no, we agree on that, but he's
the guy who's supposed to be doing all the dirty
work for the Warriors and the and the bad guy
uh and and kicking Lebron and the groin and all
that when they were trying to win, and then Lebron
new to them like that that.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
But this is my last point, both robs.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
If we heard that Lebron went golfing with Thompson in
the middle of those series, you know, going up against
the Cavs Warriors, we would rip him a new one.
And I think right now because we hear everything because
we literally see it because there's camera phones, so we
see them out after game, out at dinner, or we
see them on vacation, or we see them on the podcast.
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I'm just saying I think had we had visual ability
to see all these guys hanging out at clubs after
you how many stories we hear about them tearing the
clubs down after games, opposing teams and golfing and hanging
out with family and magic Johnsonsiah Top literally going on
year after year after year family trips. Like I think
we overseail as if they just hated everybody back in
the day. I think they just had the perfect temperament
(21:38):
when it got to the court, I'm going to destroy
you for these forty eight minutes. I want to battle
you with these forty eight minutes. I think if we
had the ability to see all the stuff that they
were doing and hanging and going and tearing the clubs
down in the discos, we would be like, Oh, they
was hanging way more than they sold me on that
they were.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
That's all I'm saying. Well, Dub, and also go back
to your original point about the money. I think that
that point is well taken because if you were to
really dive into you know, obviously this era is you know,
softer for lack of better world. When it comes to
that kind of animosity towards each other, it's actually the
guys who are the ones who are still keeping it
alive with that ultra competitive, ultra physical you know, I
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dislike you for this series. It's not the star players,
it's the other guys. It's the role players. And that's
something that to your point, when you're making seventy million
dollars a year, you know, it's kind of hard to
be upset.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
All the time.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Life's pretty good.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Yeah, So you know, I know fifteen is still a lot,
but relative to the rest of your your peers, like
Dylan Brooks is the guy who's upset, you know for
Houston Rockets. It's not Fred van Vliet who's making forty four.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
No I say it, I think money when you got
in it.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And not to mention Innio, these kids are making crazy
money out of high school and all that.
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Speaker 4 (23:06):
All right, I have a wonderful night, brother, appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
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Speaker 4 (23:14):
You know, we had a series that everybody.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Thinks could have been a little bit different, including Steve Kerr,
who believes they had a shot to go all the
way to the finals. The Warriors had Steph Curry not
gonna get down and gain one of this series Versusptember.
Well the form now it's over the series versus Timberwolves,
and that.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Could be you never know.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I do believe I think even you may agree this
was a wide open pretty much even in the Eastern
or Western Conference, where there was really no prohibited favorite.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
You could say, Oh I got Denver, Oh I got
the Warriors, Oh I got I think this is okaycas
here to finally get it done. I mean you could
see where the West was wide open, so I could
see why Steve Kerr felt like, Hey, what's Steve, What's
Steph Curry?
Speaker 4 (23:55):
We got a shot.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
But I think what I was disappointed with in this series,
and specifically for Warriors, was Jimmy Butler. And I think
Jimmy Butler reminded us of why there are tiers and
why he never quite got to that tier one of
his peers. And it wasn't on an individual night that
he couldn't do it. And it wasn't on an individual
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game or even a series here or there that he
couldn't be one of the best players. And you say,
all right, he's one of those. But I think throughout
his career he's had to be more measured, he's had
to be more efficient. He's taken a lot of games
off or he'll play pretty chill during the regular season.
She's trying to ramp up to the playoffs, and I
think he reminded us of that's the guy he is.
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And I know he was banged up, and I know
he was a little under the weather, but still that guy.
Because I guarantee you if Steph Curry was a little
under the weather, he still would have let the clip,
He would have emptied the clip. He would not have
taken a total of I believe it's nineteen shots twenty
shots in two games do or Die games, games that
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they need he needed you, games that we didn't need
you to be Robin, we need you to be Batman.
And I think he kind of was playing up the
bat the Robbin roll a little too much for me
as well throughout the last couple of months, where he
would say, oh, man, Steph's Batman. I'm just happy to
be Robbin. I'm just happy to be Robin. It's okay
to be your thrower. I'm ant Man, your throw I'm
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spider Man, I'm iron Man, and your throor it's okay
to be that. And I just thought he would be
able to say, Hey, we're gonna go down. We're gonna
go down with me shooting. We're gonna go down with
me giving him by all. We're gonna get down competing,
not taking nine shots two games ago, and then last
game only taking eleven shots, and an elimination game where
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you are by far the best offensive player. You are,
by far the guy who can get it done on
his own, who doesn't need someone else to create the shots.
So I was disappointed. I think in those two games
where I get I know, especially the two games ago,
he was under the weather, it wasn't feeling great, but
I think he even took away from himself from happening
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what potentially could be what do we call Jordan a
flu game. You know, we've seen other players be sick,
be under weather and steal ball out, show out and
have an epic, iconic game when we knew they were
going through it, And I think he kind of robbed
himself for that moment and do all you needed to
do was win one more because there were reports that
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Steph Curry was going to give it a go and
try to give it a go for game six, and
all you.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
Needed to do was win one more.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Because then, as you've called him, Jimmy Batman will be returning.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Now.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
He may be banged up some not himself, but he
would be back. And so I think two games in
a row. I thought I would get more from Jimmy.
I thought I would get Jimmy that we saw against
the Laker in the finals, you know, back in twenty twenty.
And I think he was just too measured, too efficient,
too calm, too collected. It's all right to go, hey, wire,
It's all right to put up thirty five shots tonight
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because we need it. If I'm dramon, hey, I need
you tonight the way Draymond winning. Kevin to remember that
epic video him looked like he was preaching to it.
So I needed that go preach to Jimmy, let it fly.
If we gonna lose, we gonna lose empty and the clip.
And I was a little disappointed for Jimmy for how
good he is. And I just thought I would get
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that version of him last night and even in the
game prior to that Game four, and I didn't get that.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:27):
I think that you're you're so right you can't turn
left right now.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
And actually, what you're doing is you're kind of short
changing yourself because this is not a Jimmy Butler this
series problem. This is actually a Jimmy Butler historical problem. Yeah,
Kevin O'Connor does a great job with Yahoo putting this
out on Twitter late last night. In his last eleven
elimination games, Jimmy Butler's teams three and eight. You know,
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it's not really his fault. Totally depends on the matchup, right,
He's averaging twenty one points a game. Again, not great,
not terrible. This is the bad bar. This is the
damning part of the whole thing. He's only averaging sixteen
and a half field goal attempts across his last eleven
elimination games. To your point, the reason why we have you,
the reason why you have the nickname that everybody you
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know talks about in hush tones around the league. Oh,
playoff Jimmy is here. Have you guys heard about playoff Jimmy?
Watch out for the Warriors. Playoff Jimmy and Steph. It's
gonna be a problem for all of his reputation. And again,
he's had some phenomenal games in the postseason since the
bubble when he earned the Playoff Jimmy nickname for dragging
that ragtag group of Miami players to the finals and
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lose to Lebron an ad and in five games or
six games. Excuse me, he's had the reputation as being
a playoff riser, a playoff performer that would lead you
to believe that maybe he is on par at least
in the postseason with a KD with a Steph, with
a Lebron, with a Kawhi with on Whoever, the reality
is since the Bubble, Jimmy Butler has played fifty three
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playoff games. In twenty of those games, he has scored
twenty or less points, which means he is just as
likely to turn in a solid, okay game as he
is to turn in a quote unquote playoff Jimmy game.
And if you're gonna have a reputation as a you know,
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playoff riser of one of these mythical creatures that we
have in the NBA, then I need to see you
have that same intensity, not once a series or twice
a series, but throughout a series, and especially in a
situation like we saw this week, when your best player
is out and your back is against the wall. I
need you to whether you score forty or not, I
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need you to take thirty shots. I need I can't
have Brandon Pajemski leading my team in shot attempts. We
brought you here, and we're paying you sixty million dollars
a season to be the guy in those situations and
too many times in his postseason career, despite his nickname,
Jimmy Butler, is cool with just being one of the guys.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
And that's a problem. Absolutely. I couldn't agree with you more.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
And I think that's again why I say he reminded
us why he's always been that tier just below the
other top ten, twelve to fifteen guys in the league
during his his career, because there's something about him again
that's collected, that's measured, that's patient, and sometimes patient's gotta
be dang right, you gotta throw that out the window.
Tonight calls for something different, and tonight calls for me
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to absolutely go nuts.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
And that's why even Lebron, who.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Could argue is the greatest of all time, second greatest,
third gradest wherever you want to put up, top two three,
even he's sometimes pill folks would have been mad, why
can't you go Game six versus Celtics more often? Why
can't you go you know, forty one, forty one triple
double more often?
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Because you feel like, man, he can be able to
turn that on at any given moment.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
And that's what Jimmy, you feel like at times, can
do because we've seen him do this.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
There's no way I need you shooting nine.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Field goal attempts in a game four where we need
to not lose this game. There's no way you put
up eleven attempts in an elimination game where we have
a lot riding on this and we know things change,
meaning if this doesn't work out, there's no yes, he
signed an extension, there's no guarantee that maybe they you
know what, we're gonna switch Jimmy around. Maybe Draymondus was
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the end of the row. We can get something for
you while we can or whatever. These things happen, and
you know you had a break in case of emergency
in a game six, Steph Curry need be where if
maybe he's just seventy five percent, but maybe seventy five
percent is good enough to get us to a game
seven and after that it's a great crap shoot. And
I think Jimmy Butler lost an opportunity to be the
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Jalen Brown. Jason Tatum goes down and Jaylen Brown said,
I got us. I've probably I'm sure he would say
he feels it equally as good as Jason Tatum. Right,
he says he's, you know, lesser than but I'm sure
he probably feels like I'm just as good. And he
showed up and got that team to believe and they
get a big win.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
And I believe Jimmy was capable.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Of that again at least trying to compete and give
themselves a shot. And I think they would have loved
to have had that extra boost of energy, even if
he's missing shots, to see him attempting him, to see
him going after it, and I just think it's just
for whatever reason, it's never really fully been in his makeup.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
And I think maybe.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Deep down quietly, rob Gie, he still believes he's that
three and D kind of guy, you know what I
mean that he started off being with the Bulls like
I can score when I need to, but I'm more
of a lock up, more of a you know, move
the move the ball around. I get my shots when
I need him. And it's like, no, dude, you're a
bonafi scorer when you when you have.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Needed to be in this league and we needed you last.
Speaker 8 (32:48):
Night, and I'll tell you and quickly on this right,
No up against it had he had one of those
games where he says, you know what, I'm gonna empty
the clip as you say, I'm gonna take thirty one shots.
If he would have went for thirty one, I promise you,
nobody is criticizing him, not at all, because it exactly
they know, Hey, you don't have your best player, you're
down three to one. Your only hope is to something
(33:10):
miraculous that but you're clearly outgunned. We're gonna go down
with you. We're gonna go down at all, like that's
gonna be the And it reminds me quickly. I don't
know if you remember this series, OKC Versus of the Jazz.
This was in twenty eighteen. This was the end of
the Carmelo Anthony, Paul George, Russell Westbrook Big Three. If
you were to call this game, ye, yeah, the elimination game.
(33:33):
Carmelo Anthony takes seven shots, Paul George takes sixteen shots,
Russell Westbrook took forty three attempts, and nobody said a
damn thing about Russ going going eighteen for forty three
because he said, hey, these other guys are not shooting
the ball right like these is a big three that we.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Have and you guys have a combined to take twenty
three shots.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
When the two of you, Russ is like, well, screw it,
I'll take all the shots that If you guys are not,
you're not gonna ride to the moment. I might not
make them all, but I'm not gonna go down meekly.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
If we're going down, we're going down fight, We're going
down scrapping. And I thought I would get that from
Jimmy Butler, and I was disappointed. As a matter of fact, again,
Robb g two games in a row. It wasn't one.
And then the two games in a row nine attimps,
eleven attempts. They needed more from him, all right? Last
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(34:23):
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Speaker 2 (34:28):
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Speaker 1 (34:42):
Uh take say everything you got talk to him slow
m sure, but a lot. We'll say what Uh wouldn't
you like to get away? Come on, Rob g Rubb
is good.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Oh sometimes you what.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
It was your name?
Speaker 7 (35:03):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
Boom boom boom? What when he's glad you came? Okay, Alex,
take it to the bridge, Alex. Let's go everybody. Welcome
to the couple. Oh give me another name.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Where everybody knows your name? Fox Sports Radio, it's the
Yad couple. Yeah, okay, thank you, Tiger appreciate.
Speaker 10 (35:40):
It's tied out for last calls.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
All right, Lasko, who we got? Mark in Sacramento. You're
the last call.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
You're in the eye couple, Mark, what you got?
Speaker 7 (36:07):
What's going on, gentlemen? How you guys doing today?
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Doing great?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Mark?
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Appreciate the call man. How's the book going?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (36:15):
Doing okay? It's it's it's getting up there, it's getting
it's getting some plays. So I'm happy.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Go good.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
What you got real quick? This is going out to
all the guys. At the beginning of the playoffs, wanted
the Lakers and the Warriors to get to the finals
and to meet each other. They were panasizing and trying
to manifest it.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
You could hear it in it.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
You could hear it in the reporting, even in some
of the announcers. They weren't giving the young teams enough credit,
and they kept trying to find excuses or reasons to
get the Lakers or the Warriors there. They kept wanting it.
And it was a lot of you. There was most
of the major guys. And I didn't I just say anything.
But what they were doing was they were they were
resume reading instead of seeing who these teams were. And
(36:57):
they found out that you can't just try to manifest
by reading their resume telling them us how many rings
they got, but they're the greatest shooters of all time
or the greatest scores of all time, and not looking
at those teams and go, wait a minute, These young
teams are bigger, stronger and faster. And I said to
you guys, big Bank was gonna take them the bank,
and those small ball teams are gonna get crushed. Those
small ball teams got crushed.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Hey, Marco, no good point. But listen, I'll say this though,
a couple of things. I think when you look at
Luca gets to the finals last year, and then you
team them up with a little Laker team that actually
have been playing performing well, and then now you pair
it up, they go on a nice little run and
you see it get all the way up to what
the three seed.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
So I think you're thinking, if I got Luca, who can.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Drag teams to the finals, and I got Lebron who's
still playing at a top fifteen to all NBA player level,
then that could be something, especially to me when some
of the teams you're referred to had been unproven, like
the Rockets who lost, you know, and after that words,
now I think the Timberwolves. I thought that was a
bad setting on there. I thought that was a bad
raw for the Lakers. Lakers should have won it Houston
(38:03):
or won it obviously Memphis, some other teams, and well, we.
Speaker 8 (38:06):
Also can't discount the fact that Luca was banged up
Lucas whole series.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
To what I was about.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
You know, it's Steph plays, Mark, you might not be
called with all that bravado in your chest if Steph plays,
because Steph might have walked right to the Western Conwerence finals. Again,
you never know, so, but I do get your point,
and I think it's a good thing I think Houston
is gonna be a really good team, and they have
enough pieces they can actually go get a veteran presence
if they want.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
I think.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Obviously Anthony Edwards now headed to the Western Conference finals
two years in a row. Roger, you know I picked Minnesota.
That's right in the beginning of this year when we
made our position.
Speaker 8 (38:39):
I'll tell you what, I'm pretty excited that it's looking
like the final I mean, we're still waiting right now,
but it's looking like the final four is gonna be
OKAC Minnesota, New York, and Indiana. One thing all those
four teams have in common is they're all relatively healthy.
So we're not gonna get an NBA finals. We don't
think where a key player is gonna be hobbled, and
we're just hoping they can hang on. We're gonna get
the best of the best in this final four were
(39:00):
ideally I'm hoping.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
So I'm hoping. So we'll see what I mean. Obviously,
Boston would want to say, don't disrespect us. We still
got a shot.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon is coming up next.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
I never miss your radio show. I never hear it,
so I never miss it.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
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