August 23, 2023 • 40 mins
In the third hour of The Odd Couple Chris Broussard and George Wrighster talk about Jonathan Taylor and the possibility of him leaving Indy before the season starts. Daniel Kelly joins the show to talk about the big moves happening around the league and the guys debate what Aaron Rodgers will do this season and the expectations he brings to the table.
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scout and he will join us at the bottom of
the hour. Now, he was one of the few that's
said back in twenty twenty one that Lance Trey Lance
will be a bust. So he thought the forty nine
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looks like it. Whether Lance can really play or not,
maybe he'll do it somewhere else, but it'll be good
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to talk to him and get his opinion on this situation.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Now, let's stick with the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
George, and we've talked about this with our caller is
Randy Mueller.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
But the Jonathan Taylor situation now.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Randy Mueller, former Executive of the Year in the NFL,
he said that he'd be surprised. He doesn't think there's
a market for Jonathan Taylor. And I gotta be honest,
I think Jonathan Taylor is great, but I tend to
agree that there is not. I don't think there's gonna
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be much of a market now. The reports are that
six teams are talking with him, with the Colts, that
two have already made offers. Are they up to what
the Colts are talking about? A first rounder or the equivalent,
you know, a couple of seconds or a second and
a third or whatever. But I just think that when
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you look at the way running backs have been treated
this offseason, George as good as Jonathan Taylor is, He's
coming off an injury last year. He's still young, you know,
but his production and I know some of it maybe
he was injured, but his production is not what it
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was two years ago, or even his rookie year as
far as yards per carry, but still four and a
half yards.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You'll take that.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
But in addition to the injury, there's the question he's
gonna win a contract extension that's the whole problem in Indianapolis.
And if you trade for him and don't give him
the extension, which I don't think a team would be
willing to do, no just looking at the climate, then
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you're going to inherit the same problem that Indianapolis is having.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Which is a disgruntled running back.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
The issue with this trade is like there is multiface hitting.
First of all, Indianapolis doesn't want to trade. They're not
going to trade him.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
If you I.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Agree with rav do you think it's the Lamar Jackson thing?
That's what I think it is is, because there is
nothing different than we're talking.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
See.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
The first issue is this Chris, is if you want
a first round pick for Jonathan Taylor, that means that
you believe he's not a good running back, but a
great running back like an Adrian Peterson, Derrick Henry like
a great running.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
He's a he was great two years ago. That's one year.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
But that's what I'm saying is that if you want
a first round pick for him, that's what you're saying.
And then the problem is, if you think this guy
is worth a first round pick, why won't you pay him?
That's number one, and the second thing is, but don't
you think.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Let's stop there quickly. I wanted your opinion.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I think a lot of that is the position he plays.
I mean the absolute Chris, Chris, it weren't getting paid anymore, Chris,
it matter. It was because the running back Derek Henry,
Christian McCaffrey, Todd Gurley, the last guy, Ezekiel Elliott, the
last guys to get big money that I don't know
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that they would get that now because he was he
is unique.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
There, Derek Henry, Adrian Pearson.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
And that's where's gone.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And that was I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Years in the even in this era, if you run
into a Hall of Fame caliber running back, those guys
are still going to get paid. But the problem is,
hold on here, here's the problem. Josh Jacobs last year
character ball three hundred and forty times for sixteen hundred
and fifty three yards for a four point nine yards carried.
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The problem is the wins above replacement. That's the issue.
When you have guys like Travis E. T n who
is on his rookie deal averaging five point one yards
to carry on only two and twenty carries. You got
Aaron Jones splitting carries averaging more yards per carry over
one thousand yards.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Tony Pollard, a lot of guys.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Tyler, al jeer rimand j Stevenson, Damian Pierce. Is the
issue is that the from the guys who were at
the top of the rushing list, from the guys who
were at eleven twelve hundred yards who were splitting time,
there's not as big of a dropoff.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Now, let me make years.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Let't be making real plane. Let me making real plane clear.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
That there was a drop off.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Best for running just running backs in the league.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Chubb, Henry, Derek Henry, Nick Chubb, Derek Henry, Jonathan Taylor,
Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
None of them made the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And the year Taylor two years ago, when Taylor led
the league in rushing, they didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
In Indianapolis, YEP.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Now McCaffrey, yes, but he's a lot of receiving from
McCaffrey and he's on the stat team.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
So he wasn't leading Carolina anywhere.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Nope. And that's the difference.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Is that is that the difference between the guys who
are at the top of the running back list and
I'm gonna take Derek Henry out of that because he's
getting older at this point. So and he's a Hall
of Fame caliber player, So I'm gonna take him out
of there. All the rest of the running backs in
the league at this point, none of them appear to
be quote unquote Hall of Fame caliber player. Nick Chubb
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is the best one out of all of them. And
when and now, when you go to a different position,
when you go from a top tier player at defensive
end we're talking, you know, MVP, the defensive MVP in Bosa,
to a middle tier player, you're gonna fall off from
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twenty some sacks to like five or six. There's a
bigger drop off to that. At why let me ask you,
there's a big drop off from the greats in the
league to the middle tier guys.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
The talk is that a Miami should go for him,
which look or a Dallas And here's I'll say Miami
went around by committee anyway, Riot and that's what see
Raheem Moster and Jeff Wilson Junior.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yes, not as good as Jonathan Taylor, But.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
To your point you brought up earlier, those dudes will
give you over five yards of carry.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
They do.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Most has done that everywhere last year with San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
At least Wilson did it. Both of those guys.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Wilson is not quite as good as Moster, but both
of those guys helped San Francisco get to the Super
Bowl a few years ago with Jimmy g as the
quarterback and they were running the ball and getting yardage.
So is Miami going to break the bank for give
up picks and give Jonathan Taylor the huge deal? When
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they got two guys they're a pass first offense. They're
gonna be throwing it on the outside, and they're running backs.
That'll open things up of their running backs, So I
think those guys will be able to run. The other
team is Dallas. You're hearing people talk about them. They
got Tony Pollard. They like the backups, you know, Rico
dal Dell and Deuce Vaughan. They got a great offensive line.
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I kind of think they got enough. I would like
to see Taylor in Buffalo because I think that would
take some pressure off of Josh Allen, which is what
they need. But I don't Again, I don't see them
breaking the back. I just don't know that it's out.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
There for you, So you would have to give up a.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Second round pick or a third and a fourth or
a third and a fifth for Jonathan Taylor and then
turn around and pay him.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
I mean, how much is he going to accept?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
A team is gonna, you know what they're gonna want
to do.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
You know, I'm if he in whatever team he's with
this year, what is that team gonna want to do
with him next year?
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Franchise Tagger?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
He going to have a two thousand yards.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
But I would do to a young player like Jonathan
Taylor now he's not near twenty seven yet twenty eight,
I would give him a three year deal at fourteen
fifteen million dollars fully guaranteed.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
And that's it.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Like wait, fourteen fifteen per year.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Yes, like I'm not giving you or but but I
might be like thirteen, who's getting that nowadays?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Jacobs didn't get him saying if I believe, I bet,
I do not believe that Josh Jacobs is as good
as Jonathan Taylor or Nick Chubb.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Chubb didn't get that now I'm gonna get it so
a few years ago.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
But so I'm of saying that if I'm looking at
a guy like Chubb right and Chubb's up, I would
give Chubb three years, fourteen to fifteen million. And but
but I can get out, but the first two years
would be fully guaranteed, and I can get out of
the third year for nothing and not even a hit.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Again.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I I think if you're a top running back in
this market, you jump at that.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I think you jump at it. Now, let me ask
you this, you were tight end. Do you.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
The future of the running backs as far as the money? Like,
I just it's unfortunate. And we always think of running
back as a glamour position because that's what it was
when we were coming up, But there always have been
positions where the guys didn't get paid that much. And
now it's running back. Full back has virtually disappeared. That
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used to be a position, and then it used to
be you know what I mean, it used to actually
be a position, golf fullback.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's pretty much disappeared now, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Like I'm I it would be nice if they make
different rules for the running backs. Hey, you can get
out of your rookie deal after your second year or
something like that, But that's not likely for one position.
Do you think It's just? Hey, it used to be
sinners and guards that didn't get paid. Well, that's the
running back we're supposed to cry over. That is where
are you at on it?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
The game is changing, Chris, Yeah, the game is changing.
And you can't be upset with the with the evolution
of the game because you can wear all the T
shirts make fullbacks great again all you want to The
game is evolving and and and that doesn't mean that
running backs are not valuable.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
They are very valuable from the fuck.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
The difference is is that their their value is a
little bit more short lived. And if you're running back now,
you got to make yourself a Christian McCaffrey running back
or a Travis etn running back and not a traditional
You have to be part wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
That way you can extend your career.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It's almost like even that like remember Kareem Hunt and
I say remember like he you know, like he's old,
Well he's twenty seven.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Yeap, hey, Chris.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
It's almost like in the in the NBA ten years ago,
you used to be able to be you know, Haywood,
or you used to be able to be Rudy Roy
Hibbert just and find a place, yeah, and find a
place on the floor or even JaVale McGee, but.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Now still brought some back.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, but I'm talking about and get big time minutes.
If you are a big man now and you can't
and especially if you want to play the four and
you can't stick a fifteen footer, it's gonna be tough
on you. Look at look at the bonus. Who's a
really good player. He got exposed in the playoffs because
he couldn't stick a fifteen footer.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, but he that boy is still balling.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
He is.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
But they the category them catch you was talking.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, but the limitations he's are are there and it's
a bonus. Now. I guarantee you all off season he's
sticking that fifteen footer because you can't win like that anymore.
And if you can't win like that anymore, then the
then the game is going to change around you.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
So you have to adjust to it.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Then the running backs have to adjust to it if
they want to get paid.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
No, we want to keep you here because I want
to ask you a few questions. And I mean, like
you said, you have a son that plays football, big
time football player, quarterback. I want to ask you a
little bit more about this running back situation that will
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Speaker 2 (14:54):
All right.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
This is what I wanted to ask you, George, because
like you said, you have a son that's now a
senior and high school plays quarterback. Looks like you play
at the division Ie level. Congratulations on that. Do you
think now because when you when I was coming up,
for sure, and I'd even say when you were coming up,
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the best most athletic players, where did they.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Play on offense? The fastest guys running.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Back, running back, wide receiver, even but it was mainly running.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Back if you didn't throw as much in that and
high school, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
My position got switched because of that. I was a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Mike, what did you play in?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
What did you end up? So they switched you from
quarterback to what I played?
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Wide out?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I played running back, I played, I played everywhere, defensive end,
the outside line, linebacker was everything.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
And reis to show up in there.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
And my coaches rationale was, I'm not putting my best
player at quarterback. And that was because that was how
the game was played and how they.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Now know right now they would they probably lead.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Now that like I'm putting my past players, I'm putting
my best player who can make good decisions and get
me out of trouble at quarterback. That's who I want
with the ball in his hands at all times.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
So this is what I want to ask you.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Do you think not only that the best athletes won't
be playing running back anymore for the most part, but
that they actually they won't even want to play running back,
Like if you're a great player and look, only is
one quarterback only so many guys can play quarterback.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
So do you think they're going to be more going
to receiver quarterback and receiver just like the NFL? Or
do you think they'll still, at least at the high
school level, be playing running back and maybe they get
switched maybe in college.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Or something they're going to try to play wide receiver.
But the but the problem is is with running backs
there's usually some physical limitations on that. They're usually about
you know, five to nine, five eight, five nine, and
they're built like little little little fire fire hydrants, right
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like is like five six, isn't he?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yeah, back upwards.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
So there are some physical things that put you in
certain positions.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
But it's your.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Job, just like just like in in basketball, if you
have a son who's seven feet tall, it's it's your.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Fault as a as a parent or as a coach.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
If he can't drip the ball and do all of
those other things because people will just stick him in
the post, tell them the rebound and all that stuff.
So if your son is a running back, you have
to make him a past catching threat. He has to
be able to do both. And now people will try
to play wide out.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
You might play at a school where the you don't
have a great quarterback, correct, and y'all.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Run the ball more, you know what I mean? But
running back.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, but there's off season training, there's all of that stuff.
And when you get to college though, the the the
hard part is is that guys go to college all
the time and they think that they're gonna play one spot,
and then the coaches identify early. They're like, he's cool there,
but he might be better here. And players are gonna
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do whatever it takes to get on the field. So
if you are a so if your options are be
a backup wide receiver or be an NFL caliber running back,
even though it may not be the most glamorous, or
you may not have the longest career or get paid
as much much as you want to, you could still
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make a very nice leg back.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, I agree, Like I thought you were gonna go
to others, You're.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Gonna make it at least thirty million dollars right in
his career.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Well, and that's the thing like with John with Jonathan Taylor,
and he I get it. He is worth more relatively
speaking than the four million dollars he's making now. But
to read to me like you think about to you
can't even think about sitting out because you could get
the four million this year and then next year. Yes,
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they're probably franchise, can't sit out, but that's still ten million.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Doc.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Like, I'm sorry, where where are you getting that money?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
If you're not want to where?
Speaker 8 (19:33):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
So go ahead and get that. I get it.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
You're not making what you know so and so is making.
But you know what I'm not making what Stephen A.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Smith is making.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Yep, but I'm doing all right. Stop counting other people's.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Money, right, I just hey, hey, think think about how
unhappy that you would be if you were counting, if
if you were sitting up here on the odd couple
all first things first, and sitting and sitting here saying
count Oh.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Man, I'm not making calent Colin Coward money. I'm not
making Steven a money. How miserable and silly.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
You're right, you're right, and that's where the backs are.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
And again I get it.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
But like you said, man, the game has changed, just
like basketball has and Baseball's even changed, and it's just
it is what it is for the running backs. I
hope it turns around, but I don't know. We'll have
to wait.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
It's not going to turn around.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
It is.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
You'll think like ever because we've had guys say, oh,
it's sick liquid, but you're probably right. I mean Edwards Hilaire,
who I love, yeah, coming out of LSU, loved him.
I thought it was a great pick by the Chiefs
in the first round, right, but guess what he got
beat out by a seventh rounder from.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Running And that's the problem when they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
That's the problem with the running back position is that
you can get a guy in the draft or a
second or third year player for way less that will
give you like ninety percent of the of what the
guy who you would be paying fifteen times the amount for.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I mean literally that you're right, that is, you are
absolutely right.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
That is And at the other positions that's not the case.
It's damn sure not the case at quarterback, at wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Because you look at the Justin Jeffersons, the Jamar Chases
of Diggs and all Tyreek hill waddle.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
There ain't too many dudes who can do that, right, Nah,
you're right.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Remember Philip the guy for the Denver Philip Lindsay.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yep, remember that first Yeah he undrafted undrafted rush for
over a thousand yards is first two years, Like, I mean,
that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Alvin Kamar was a third round pick. Kaem Hunt was
a third round pick.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
It is now both and now Koree and now uh,
the the contract for Alvin Kamara don't look that great
right now?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
No, he didn't play great last year.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You know what. Ezekiel Elliott obviously his game that was.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
The one that was the one that did it was well.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
It didn't. It's smart. Look that dude, God bless him.
Yeah he got his money. Yes he was special. But
you know what I'm saying, Like he got his money,
he's he's probably the last one to get.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
The huge money.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yes, you know you know who he should think for that,
Emmitt Smith, because remember Emmitt Smith held out and the
Cowboys tainked and then all of a sudden Jerry Jones
had to give in to him, and then the same thing.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Happened with Ezekiel.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I'm not gonna let I got a championship and Ezekiel
Elliott is seventy million.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Seventy million, You ain't there.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
They're the only running back to who knows when another
running back get I mean.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
The last running back.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
So it's Ezekiel Elliott to even get even near that.
We're talking to Ezekiel Elliott. Man, you got Adrian Peterson
and then nobody else.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
McCaffrey got what sixty four? Yes that it was after before. Yeah,
they're not getting that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
All right.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
We're gonna go to Daniel Kelly, former NFL scout in
the moment, But first the loquation is Brian Finley with
the update, BeFAN.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
Man, George and Chris we As.
Speaker 10 (23:35):
We look at Major League Baseball three games, seven one
and walk off fashion.
Speaker 9 (23:39):
We'll get to those in a moment. Games that are
still going on.
Speaker 10 (23:42):
The Orioles are trampling the lou J's Ford to nothing
bottom of the eighth inning, while the Yankees nine nothing.
They are leading the Nationals top of the eighth New
York trying to end a nine game losing streak, and
not one, not two, but three home runs from Aaron
Judge in this game, helping in a big the Braves
have expanded their lead seven to nothing against the Mets
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top of the eighth there, while the Astros are holding
firm four to two in their favor against the Red
Sox bottom of the fourth. Now to the completed games
ones of notable status. The Brewers win and walk GoF
fashion eight to seven against the Twins in ten. White
Sox winners in ten, five to four against the Mariners
off a throwing era in the tenth, that is what
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decides the fate of that game. Phillies take it to
ten innings after a Bryce Harper three run home run
ties things in the bottom of the ninth, but the
Giants prevail in ten eight to six over the Phills.
Padres four to nothing winners against the Marlins. Rays get
it done in ten, six to five against the Rockies.
And this just coming down, guys, the Guardians Dodgers game,
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which had a rain delay going north of an hour
in Cleveland in the third inning when things stopped. They
have officially suspended this game so it will not be
played any more, or any attempt to try to play
at the rest of this day. Lastly, quickly, in the NFL,
the culture accepting trade requests for running back Jonathan Taylor
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until Tuesday. Six teams, according to reports, have already reached out,
and finally American tennis great John is there.
Speaker 9 (25:15):
We'll make it.
Speaker 10 (25:16):
This last event, the US Open coming up this month
as his final tournament before he retires after seventeen years
on the ATP tour, and he is about six foot nine.
Could play in the NBA. Two guys I could see,
especially Chris Brussard and obviously George Reister with that athleticism,
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Today.
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Our next guest, former NFL Scout friend of the show,
Daniel Kelly.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Daniel, Welcome, Hey, thank you guys.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
It's so good to be back with you on the show.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Always good to have you.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Man.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Let's get right into it. I know we're a little
bit behind. You said years ago that Trey Lance.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Would be a bust.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I look, I'm not gonna say he can't at some
point maybe get a shot and play well somewhere. But
what what right now? Certainly that looks like the case.
What convinced you of that early on?
Speaker 7 (27:11):
Well, that's a great question. I mean I went back
and I looked at Trey Lance at NBSU and watched
him on four games on YouTube okay again, Central Arkansas,
James Madison, North Dakota, and Butler. And these games are
available for everybody to watch if you want to go
watch them. And I saw zero dominant traits on his
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game film. And that was at the FCS level. I mean,
this was a guy that looked like in an accurate
option quarterback, a guy who was an athlete trying to
be a quarterback. And that's what prompted me to give
him the undraftable, you know, free agent grade. You know,
saying that you know online my reports that he projected
(27:58):
to a possible practice squad player. Maybe this is the
guy you bring in to run your scout team. I mean,
there's so many things that showed up in game film.
It was like it was just I just listed him
down the page. I mean he had he had a
lack for fuel for the pass rush. He looked overwhelmed
against the pass rush, took too many sacks, didn't throw
it away, was hesitant to pull the trigger and throw,
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especially against tighter coverages. His ball placement was all over
the road. He was a erratic. He didn't throw a
lot of what I call wide receiver friendly passes. He
was completely exposed I felt at the intermediate route level,
especially inst central Arkansas. His deep ball was a erratic
through a lot of fifty to fifty balls, lack deep touch.
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I didn't like him as a runner. I thought he
would look average. He lacked elusive to this, you know,
running the ball. I was just wasn't seeing the upside guys.
I mean, he was a I didn't think he was
going to become any more accurate. You know when I
say he lacked upside, and I didn't feel like he
was going to become a more faster and more LUs
awarding the ball either. He wasn't again dominant the FCS level.
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And Dick Hayley, who was when I was with the Jets,
was our director of player personnel who helped build the
nineteen seventies dynasty with the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know, he
taught me. He said, hey, listen, you know, Daniel, if
these guys aren't looking dominant, if they don't just jump
off the screen at you at lesser levels of competition
like the FCS, you know, they don't really have to
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stand a chance in the NFL. And that's something that's
always stuck with me. And then you flash forward to
his pro dade, which even lowered my grade on him
even more and my thoughts on him even more, because
this is where the number one weekness really jumped off
the screen at me. And that was his lack of confidence,
self doubt. I wasn't getting a vibe leadership and his
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body language I watched him, you seem lethargic, sluggish, eyes
looked down trodden, reminded me more of body language along
the lines of a Jason Campbell or Deshown Kiser of
course with the Browns, and so you know, I was shot.
You know, is this thing you know glance Manny is
since I called as its built up? And you know,
here's Michael Lombardi coming out saying possibly Washington might trade
(30:10):
all the draft picks for a shot that draft Lance.
I'm just like, what's going on here? Because I wasn't
seeing it.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
At all, not romont Now did you have that feeling?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Well, what was your feeling about Josh Allen coming out
of Wyoming?
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Well, I did not evaluate Josh l I've been asked
out a lot, but I did not evaluate him coming out.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Daniel.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Look, I mean, you gave a very detailed answer, and
we appreciate it as to why.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
You didn't like Trey Lance.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
But when you look at and obviously everybody makes mistakes
every position, there are busts and their surprises, but obviously
the quarterback position probably more so than ever. Joe Montana
was a third round pick. Obviously, Tom Brady a sixth
round pick. Patrick Mahomes, you know, was a tift pick.
I mean, I know it was the first round, but
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still tip pick in the draft, and then Donald and
the Trey Lance our third picks, and Marcus mary Old
is the second pick and Baker Mayfield's the first pick.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Why I mean is it?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
It almost seems like it is a crapshoot at the
quarterback position as far as who's going to be great
and who's not.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
To a degree. To a degree, but there's some telltale signs.
I feel that that kind of kind of separate who
might be good from from you know, projecting from college
to the NFL, because there's certain you know, the skill
sets that are translate better to the NFL. For example,
guys who are in the pocket, who are able to
get rid of the football quickly. The NFL is a
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game where the average release time is probably between two
seconds and two point nine seconds. Guys who can get
rid of the football and don't hold it. Guys who
go through their progressions. There is another big thing I
look for in college game film, not just guys are
just locking with first read and just you know, hard stare,
you know, like Will Levis did at Kentucky, just hard
stare of the receiver, you know, before he throws. You know,
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that's that's another big one. Going through the progressions, you
know what I mean, it's moving your head back and
forth looking at the field. Another big thing too, I
look at guys. Is ball placement different than accuracy? I
mean a different thing the completion for things. Excuse me,
but the ball placement. Is he throwing a receiver friendly balls?
Where's the ball being placed where the receiver like Mac
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Jones at Alabama when he threw the ball and the
receiver could just run right through the catch. Or do
we have to defall to a bunch of like you know,
acrobatic athletic receivers who are jumping and leaping and diving
over the place to catch the ball to pad the
completion percentage. So those are three things I look for
when I watch college quarterback prospects, and to me are
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telltale signs who's going to have a better chance of
projecting to the NFL than you know, becoming a bust.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Well, so before you go, where you at on Klee Williams?
Speaker 7 (33:00):
Yep, Caleb Williams Right now? I have a second round
great on him, and.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
He seems like he's gonna be the number one pick.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
Yeah, I mean very well, maybe there's there's a very
good chance that because once again you'll hear we go
with the hype and whatnot. But to me, there's a
few things that really concern me about Caleb Williams. Number
one is his downfield ball placement. Another thing that concerns
me is his ball security. He throws a lot of
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balls that are being tipped and deflected downfield, and he
runs around. He holds the ball half the time too
long in the pocket. I feel almost like he's trying
to become a playmaker holding on the ball, running around
doing all this stuff. And another big, very huge risk
on Caleb Williams is a threat for injury in my mind,
because of the way he runs the ball, and he's
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so physical running the ball and not taking better care
of himself by fighting or ducking on a bounce. So
that those are some major concer I have about camb
Walliams at this point.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
All Right, that is great stuff, man. We appreciate it.
Do you agree or not. That's some detailed analysis. We
appreciate it. Daniel Kelly, former NFL scout. Great stuff, man,
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Hey, thank you guys, appreciating you on the show. I
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Hard Knocks his good friend, obviously from Green Bay, Randall Cobb,
(35:48):
now with him with the Jets. He told he told
the new receiving Corps for Rogers, the guys with the Jets,
that they better pick things up here.
Speaker 8 (35:58):
You is to talk to twelve right, and he was
just telling me, you know, we had a lot of
mistakes in our room today and this basic stuff, little
things like you can't have that, and it's all cool
right now, but I'm telling you, one day he's gonna
lose it. It's gonna happen if it continues to go
to where it's going right now, because if you don't
trust you, he's not gonna throw your ball. I can
promise you that if you don't trust you, he don't
(36:20):
not like throw interceptions so if he can't trust that
you're gonna run the right round, he's not gonna throw it.
It's just a matter of time. Continue to work and
stay in your book and stay locked in so we
can get to where we want to go.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Hey, what do you think about that?
Speaker 5 (36:32):
George? It's the truth.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
It is the truth of being around quarterbacks, having a
quarterback in my in my home.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
If they don't.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Trust you, they will not put the there. Like, bro,
I'm not putting the ball in danger because because I
can't trust that you're gonna be where you're supposed to be,
b where you're supposed to be when you're supposed.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
To be there.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
And you know who else was like that was Peyton
Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning like that played with him the
wide receiver's tight end. I remember talking to Dallas Clark
about this. Dallas Clark was like, Peyton was hard on
the White House, like you better be exactly where you're
supposed to be, And he was, and he was. But
he also said that if Peyton put the ball a
(37:16):
foot not where it was supposed to be, even if
it was catchable, he'd be like, my bad, I got
to put that ball better. And it would have been
a completion look pretty nondescript, and he would go off
on himself and be like, Yo, that's my bad. The
ball's supposed to be two feet two feet outside the numbers,
(37:37):
two feet up and that's where it's supposed to be,
and it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
There was it was one by one. So that's my fault.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
And that's the way that quarterbacks are because Aaron Rodgers
is going to hold himself to a higher standard, but
then he's also going to demand that of the White
House as well.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, I'm with you, and I think this is the
benefit of having a Hall of Fame quarterback, right because
the guys obviously they know he knows what he's talking about.
They're going to listen to him. And I also think
they want to impress him, right like on the Lakers,
Austin Reeves, Jared Vanderbilt, all these other they want to
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impress Lebron.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
And so look, if it was.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Still Zach Wilson or Mike Whiter even maybe like a
Kirk Cousins quarterback in this team, I don't think Cole
can necessarily say that, right, But when it's a guy
the stature of an Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
They got it.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
They got no choice but to buckle up and bring
their best.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
And I think that's good.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Forces the level to go up for everybody because the
level of expectation is now is now higher and there
there is no room for mediocrety.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
And if you.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Watch Hard Knocks, that's been kind of the theme of
the of the whole teams that.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
We got Aaron Rodgers, we got to be better.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
It's similar to what the Tom Brady effect when he
went down to Tampa. Everybody's like, we got to be
better Tom, we got to go and press press Tom.
And and that only happens because Tom expected perfection out
of himself and then demanded it out of everybody else.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
And the same thing with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Now if they weren't like But that's the difference between
the elite quarterbacks and the Hall of Fame quarterbacks and
a regular quarterback is that there's a that the expectation
for greatness is higher for themselves even than what it
is for their teammates.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Quickly, what are you expecting from the Justice year?
Speaker 8 (39:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
If you made your pick.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Nine and eight are going.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
To be now they're well, they're they're going to be
right on the cusp. It's they're either gonna be the
seventh seed getting in or the eight seed sitting on
the outside.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
You think there's a division that's gonna get three in.
I mean, AFC is so freaking deep, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
It is going to be tough, But the only one
that has a shot is the is the AFC East,
because that's that's gonna be tough.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Bro the North man, I think the North is gonna
be be great.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
If Burrow's it's gonna be tough, well Burrow, you got
Burrow in Jackson.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
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scout and he will join us at the bottom of
the hour. Now, he was one of the few that's
said back in twenty twenty one that Lance Trey Lance
will be a bust. So he thought the forty nine
ers were making a mistake, and at this point it
looks like it. Whether Lance can really play or not,
maybe he'll do it somewhere else, but it'll be good
(00:59):
to talk to him and get his opinion on this situation.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Now, let's stick with the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
George, and we've talked about this with our caller is
Randy Mueller.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
But the Jonathan Taylor situation now.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Randy Mueller, former Executive of the Year in the NFL,
he said that he'd be surprised. He doesn't think there's
a market for Jonathan Taylor. And I gotta be honest,
I think Jonathan Taylor is great, but I tend to
agree that there is not. I don't think there's gonna
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be much of a market now. The reports are that
six teams are talking with him, with the Colts, that
two have already made offers. Are they up to what
the Colts are talking about? A first rounder or the equivalent,
you know, a couple of seconds or a second and
a third or whatever. But I just think that when
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you look at the way running backs have been treated
this offseason, George as good as Jonathan Taylor is, He's
coming off an injury last year. He's still young, you know,
but his production and I know some of it maybe
he was injured, but his production is not what it
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was two years ago, or even his rookie year as
far as yards per carry, but still four and a
half yards.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
You'll take that.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
But in addition to the injury, there's the question he's
gonna win a contract extension that's the whole problem in Indianapolis.
And if you trade for him and don't give him
the extension, which I don't think a team would be
willing to do, no just looking at the climate, then
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you're going to inherit the same problem that Indianapolis is having.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Which is a disgruntled running back.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
The issue with this trade is like there is multiface hitting.
First of all, Indianapolis doesn't want to trade. They're not
going to trade him.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
If you I.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Agree with rav do you think it's the Lamar Jackson thing?
That's what I think it is is, because there is
nothing different than we're talking.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
See.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
The first issue is this Chris, is if you want
a first round pick for Jonathan Taylor, that means that
you believe he's not a good running back, but a
great running back like an Adrian Peterson, Derrick Henry like
a great running.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
He's a he was great two years ago. That's one year.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
But that's what I'm saying is that if you want
a first round pick for him, that's what you're saying.
And then the problem is, if you think this guy
is worth a first round pick, why won't you pay him?
That's number one, and the second thing is, but don't
you think.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Let's stop there quickly. I wanted your opinion.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I think a lot of that is the position he plays.
I mean the absolute Chris, Chris, it weren't getting paid anymore, Chris,
it matter. It was because the running back Derek Henry,
Christian McCaffrey, Todd Gurley, the last guy, Ezekiel Elliott, the
last guys to get big money that I don't know
(04:09):
that they would get that now because he was he
is unique.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
There, Derek Henry, Adrian Pearson.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
And that's where's gone.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And that was I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Years in the even in this era, if you run
into a Hall of Fame caliber running back, those guys
are still going to get paid. But the problem is,
hold on here, here's the problem. Josh Jacobs last year
character ball three hundred and forty times for sixteen hundred
and fifty three yards for a four point nine yards carried.
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The problem is the wins above replacement. That's the issue.
When you have guys like Travis E. T n who
is on his rookie deal averaging five point one yards
to carry on only two and twenty carries. You got
Aaron Jones splitting carries averaging more yards per carry over
one thousand yards.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Tony Pollard, a lot of guys.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Tyler, al jeer rimand j Stevenson, Damian Pierce. Is the
issue is that the from the guys who were at
the top of the rushing list, from the guys who
were at eleven twelve hundred yards who were splitting time,
there's not as big of a dropoff.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Now, let me make years.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Let't be making real plane. Let me making real plane clear.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
That there was a drop off.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Best for running just running backs in the league.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Chubb, Henry, Derek Henry, Nick Chubb, Derek Henry, Jonathan Taylor,
Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
None of them made the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And the year Taylor two years ago, when Taylor led
the league in rushing, they didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
In Indianapolis, YEP.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Now McCaffrey, yes, but he's a lot of receiving from
McCaffrey and he's on the stat team.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
So he wasn't leading Carolina anywhere.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
Nope. And that's the difference.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Is that is that the difference between the guys who
are at the top of the running back list and
I'm gonna take Derek Henry out of that because he's
getting older at this point. So and he's a Hall
of Fame caliber player, So I'm gonna take him out
of there. All the rest of the running backs in
the league at this point, none of them appear to
be quote unquote Hall of Fame caliber player. Nick Chubb
(06:30):
is the best one out of all of them. And
when and now, when you go to a different position,
when you go from a top tier player at defensive
end we're talking, you know, MVP, the defensive MVP in Bosa,
to a middle tier player, you're gonna fall off from
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twenty some sacks to like five or six. There's a
bigger drop off to that. At why let me ask you,
there's a big drop off from the greats in the
league to the middle tier guys.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
The talk is that a Miami should go for him,
which look or a Dallas And here's I'll say Miami
went around by committee anyway, Riot and that's what see
Raheem Moster and Jeff Wilson Junior.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yes, not as good as Jonathan Taylor, But.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
To your point you brought up earlier, those dudes will
give you over five yards of carry.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
They do.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Most has done that everywhere last year with San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
At least Wilson did it. Both of those guys.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Wilson is not quite as good as Moster, but both
of those guys helped San Francisco get to the Super
Bowl a few years ago with Jimmy g as the
quarterback and they were running the ball and getting yardage.
So is Miami going to break the bank for give
up picks and give Jonathan Taylor the huge deal? When
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they got two guys they're a pass first offense. They're
gonna be throwing it on the outside, and they're running backs.
That'll open things up of their running backs, So I
think those guys will be able to run. The other
team is Dallas. You're hearing people talk about them. They
got Tony Pollard. They like the backups, you know, Rico
dal Dell and Deuce Vaughan. They got a great offensive line.
(08:30):
I kind of think they got enough. I would like
to see Taylor in Buffalo because I think that would
take some pressure off of Josh Allen, which is what
they need. But I don't Again, I don't see them
breaking the back. I just don't know that it's out.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
There for you, So you would have to give up a.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Second round pick or a third and a fourth or
a third and a fifth for Jonathan Taylor and then
turn around and pay him.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
I mean, how much is he going to accept?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
A team is gonna, you know what they're gonna want
to do.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
You know, I'm if he in whatever team he's with
this year, what is that team gonna want to do
with him next year?
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Franchise Tagger?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
He going to have a two thousand yards.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
But I would do to a young player like Jonathan
Taylor now he's not near twenty seven yet twenty eight,
I would give him a three year deal at fourteen
fifteen million dollars fully guaranteed.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
And that's it.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Like wait, fourteen fifteen per year.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Yes, like I'm not giving you or but but I
might be like thirteen, who's getting that nowadays?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Jacobs didn't get him saying if I believe, I bet,
I do not believe that Josh Jacobs is as good
as Jonathan Taylor or Nick Chubb.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Chubb didn't get that now I'm gonna get it so
a few years ago.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
But so I'm of saying that if I'm looking at
a guy like Chubb right and Chubb's up, I would
give Chubb three years, fourteen to fifteen million. And but
but I can get out, but the first two years
would be fully guaranteed, and I can get out of
the third year for nothing and not even a hit.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Again.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I I think if you're a top running back in
this market, you jump at that.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I think you jump at it. Now, let me ask
you this, you were tight end. Do you.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
The future of the running backs as far as the money? Like,
I just it's unfortunate. And we always think of running
back as a glamour position because that's what it was
when we were coming up, But there always have been
positions where the guys didn't get paid that much. And
now it's running back. Full back has virtually disappeared. That
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used to be a position, and then it used to
be you know what I mean, it used to actually
be a position, golf fullback.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's pretty much disappeared now, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Like I'm I it would be nice if they make
different rules for the running backs. Hey, you can get
out of your rookie deal after your second year or
something like that, But that's not likely for one position.
Do you think It's just? Hey, it used to be
sinners and guards that didn't get paid. Well, that's the
running back we're supposed to cry over. That is where
are you at on it?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
The game is changing, Chris, Yeah, the game is changing.
And you can't be upset with the with the evolution
of the game because you can wear all the T
shirts make fullbacks great again all you want to The
game is evolving and and and that doesn't mean that
running backs are not valuable.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
They are very valuable from the fuck.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
The difference is is that their their value is a
little bit more short lived. And if you're running back now,
you got to make yourself a Christian McCaffrey running back
or a Travis etn running back and not a traditional
You have to be part wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
That way you can extend your career.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
It's almost like even that like remember Kareem Hunt and
I say remember like he you know, like he's old,
Well he's twenty seven.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
Yeap, hey, Chris.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
It's almost like in the in the NBA ten years ago,
you used to be able to be you know, Haywood,
or you used to be able to be Rudy Roy
Hibbert just and find a place, yeah, and find a
place on the floor or even JaVale McGee, but.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Now still brought some back.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, but I'm talking about and get big time minutes.
If you are a big man now and you can't
and especially if you want to play the four and
you can't stick a fifteen footer, it's gonna be tough
on you. Look at look at the bonus. Who's a
really good player. He got exposed in the playoffs because
he couldn't stick a fifteen footer.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, but he that boy is still balling.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
He is.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
But they the category them catch you was talking.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, but the limitations he's are are there and it's
a bonus. Now. I guarantee you all off season he's
sticking that fifteen footer because you can't win like that anymore.
And if you can't win like that anymore, then the
then the game is going to change around you.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
So you have to adjust to it.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Then the running backs have to adjust to it if
they want to get paid.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
No, we want to keep you here because I want
to ask you a few questions. And I mean, like
you said, you have a son that plays football, big
time football player, quarterback. I want to ask you a
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Speaker 2 (14:54):
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Speaker 3 (14:55):
This is what I wanted to ask you, George, because
like you said, you have a son that's now a
senior and high school plays quarterback. Looks like you play
at the division Ie level. Congratulations on that. Do you
think now because when you when I was coming up,
for sure, and I'd even say when you were coming up,
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the best most athletic players, where did they.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Play on offense? The fastest guys running.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Back, running back, wide receiver, even but it was mainly running.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Back if you didn't throw as much in that and
high school, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
My position got switched because of that. I was a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Mike, what did you play in?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
What did you end up? So they switched you from
quarterback to what I played?
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Wide out?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I played running back, I played, I played everywhere, defensive end,
the outside line, linebacker was everything.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
And reis to show up in there.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
And my coaches rationale was, I'm not putting my best
player at quarterback. And that was because that was how
the game was played and how they.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Now know right now they would they probably lead.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Now that like I'm putting my past players, I'm putting
my best player who can make good decisions and get
me out of trouble at quarterback. That's who I want
with the ball in his hands at all times.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
So this is what I want to ask you.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Do you think not only that the best athletes won't
be playing running back anymore for the most part, but
that they actually they won't even want to play running back,
Like if you're a great player and look, only is
one quarterback only so many guys can play quarterback.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
So do you think they're going to be more going
to receiver quarterback and receiver just like the NFL? Or
do you think they'll still, at least at the high
school level, be playing running back and maybe they get
switched maybe in college.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Or something they're going to try to play wide receiver.
But the but the problem is is with running backs
there's usually some physical limitations on that. They're usually about
you know, five to nine, five eight, five nine, and
they're built like little little little fire fire hydrants, right
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like is like five six, isn't he?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Yeah, back upwards.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
So there are some physical things that put you in
certain positions.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
But it's your.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Job, just like just like in in basketball, if you
have a son who's seven feet tall, it's it's your.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Fault as a as a parent or as a coach.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
If he can't drip the ball and do all of
those other things because people will just stick him in
the post, tell them the rebound and all that stuff.
So if your son is a running back, you have
to make him a past catching threat. He has to
be able to do both. And now people will try
to play wide out.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
You might play at a school where the you don't
have a great quarterback, correct, and y'all.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Run the ball more, you know what I mean? But
running back.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, but there's off season training, there's all of that stuff.
And when you get to college though, the the the
hard part is is that guys go to college all
the time and they think that they're gonna play one spot,
and then the coaches identify early. They're like, he's cool there,
but he might be better here. And players are gonna
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do whatever it takes to get on the field. So
if you are a so if your options are be
a backup wide receiver or be an NFL caliber running back,
even though it may not be the most glamorous, or
you may not have the longest career or get paid
as much much as you want to, you could still
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make a very nice leg back.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, I agree, Like I thought you were gonna go
to others, You're.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Gonna make it at least thirty million dollars right in
his career.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Well, and that's the thing like with John with Jonathan Taylor,
and he I get it. He is worth more relatively
speaking than the four million dollars he's making now. But
to read to me like you think about to you
can't even think about sitting out because you could get
the four million this year and then next year. Yes,
(19:24):
they're probably franchise, can't sit out, but that's still ten million.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Doc.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Like, I'm sorry, where where are you getting that money?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
If you're not want to where?
Speaker 8 (19:33):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
So go ahead and get that. I get it.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
You're not making what you know so and so is making.
But you know what I'm not making what Stephen A.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Smith is making.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Yep, but I'm doing all right. Stop counting other people's.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Money, right, I just hey, hey, think think about how
unhappy that you would be if you were counting, if
if you were sitting up here on the odd couple
all first things first, and sitting and sitting here saying
count Oh.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
Man, I'm not making calent Colin Coward money. I'm not
making Steven a money. How miserable and silly.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
You're right, you're right, and that's where the backs are.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
And again I get it.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
But like you said, man, the game has changed, just
like basketball has and Baseball's even changed, and it's just
it is what it is for the running backs. I
hope it turns around, but I don't know. We'll have
to wait.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
It's not going to turn around.
Speaker 6 (20:31):
It is.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
You'll think like ever because we've had guys say, oh,
it's sick liquid, but you're probably right. I mean Edwards Hilaire,
who I love, yeah, coming out of LSU, loved him.
I thought it was a great pick by the Chiefs
in the first round, right, but guess what he got
beat out by a seventh rounder from.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Running And that's the problem when they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
That's the problem with the running back position is that
you can get a guy in the draft or a
second or third year player for way less that will
give you like ninety percent of the of what the
guy who you would be paying fifteen times the amount for.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I mean literally that you're right, that is, you are
absolutely right.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
That is And at the other positions that's not the case.
It's damn sure not the case at quarterback, at wide receiver.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Because you look at the Justin Jeffersons, the Jamar Chases
of Diggs and all Tyreek hill waddle.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
There ain't too many dudes who can do that, right, Nah,
you're right.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Remember Philip the guy for the Denver Philip Lindsay.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yep, remember that first Yeah he undrafted undrafted rush for
over a thousand yards is first two years, Like, I mean,
that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Alvin Kamar was a third round pick. Kaem Hunt was
a third round pick.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
It is now both and now Koree and now uh,
the the contract for Alvin Kamara don't look that great
right now?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
No, he didn't play great last year.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
You know what. Ezekiel Elliott obviously his game that was.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
The one that was the one that did it was well.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
It didn't. It's smart. Look that dude, God bless him.
Yeah he got his money. Yes he was special. But
you know what I'm saying, Like he got his money,
he's he's probably the last one to get.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
The huge money.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Yes, you know you know who he should think for that,
Emmitt Smith, because remember Emmitt Smith held out and the
Cowboys tainked and then all of a sudden Jerry Jones
had to give in to him, and then the same thing.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Happened with Ezekiel.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I'm not gonna let I got a championship and Ezekiel
Elliott is seventy million.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Seventy million, You ain't there.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
They're the only running back to who knows when another
running back get I mean.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
The last running back.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
So it's Ezekiel Elliott to even get even near that.
We're talking to Ezekiel Elliott. Man, you got Adrian Peterson
and then nobody else.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
McCaffrey got what sixty four? Yes that it was after before. Yeah,
they're not getting that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
All right.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
We're gonna go to Daniel Kelly, former NFL scout in
the moment, But first the loquation is Brian Finley with
the update, BeFAN.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
Man, George and Chris we As.
Speaker 10 (23:35):
We look at Major League Baseball three games, seven one
and walk off fashion.
Speaker 9 (23:39):
We'll get to those in a moment. Games that are
still going on.
Speaker 10 (23:42):
The Orioles are trampling the lou J's Ford to nothing
bottom of the eighth inning, while the Yankees nine nothing.
They are leading the Nationals top of the eighth New
York trying to end a nine game losing streak, and
not one, not two, but three home runs from Aaron
Judge in this game, helping in a big the Braves
have expanded their lead seven to nothing against the Mets
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top of the eighth there, while the Astros are holding
firm four to two in their favor against the Red
Sox bottom of the fourth. Now to the completed games
ones of notable status. The Brewers win and walk GoF
fashion eight to seven against the Twins in ten. White
Sox winners in ten, five to four against the Mariners
off a throwing era in the tenth, that is what
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decides the fate of that game. Phillies take it to
ten innings after a Bryce Harper three run home run
ties things in the bottom of the ninth, but the
Giants prevail in ten eight to six over the Phills.
Padres four to nothing winners against the Marlins. Rays get
it done in ten, six to five against the Rockies.
And this just coming down, guys, the Guardians Dodgers game,
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which had a rain delay going north of an hour
in Cleveland in the third inning when things stopped. They
have officially suspended this game so it will not be
played any more, or any attempt to try to play
at the rest of this day. Lastly, quickly, in the NFL,
the culture accepting trade requests for running back Jonathan Taylor
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until Tuesday. Six teams, according to reports, have already reached out,
and finally American tennis great John is there.
Speaker 9 (25:15):
We'll make it.
Speaker 10 (25:16):
This last event, the US Open coming up this month
as his final tournament before he retires after seventeen years
on the ATP tour, and he is about six foot nine.
Could play in the NBA. Two guys I could see,
especially Chris Brussard and obviously George Reister with that athleticism,
both could play in the NBA. I know Georgia play
(25:37):
in the NFL. I want to see you take on
Chris Brussard one v one man.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
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Speaker 9 (25:48):
A stop pastor prime.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
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Speaker 7 (25:54):
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Speaker 5 (25:54):
I need to.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
No designated place, the designated time, and I will gladly
designate his yo.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
If I was ten years younger.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
If you was ten years younger, you'd be ten years younger.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
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Speaker 2 (26:13):
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Today.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Our next guest, former NFL Scout friend of the show,
Daniel Kelly.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Daniel, Welcome, Hey, thank you guys.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
It's so good to be back with you on the show.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Always good to have you.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Man.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Let's get right into it. I know we're a little
bit behind. You said years ago that Trey Lance.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Would be a bust.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I look, I'm not gonna say he can't at some
point maybe get a shot and play well somewhere. But
what what right now? Certainly that looks like the case.
What convinced you of that early on?
Speaker 7 (27:11):
Well, that's a great question. I mean I went back
and I looked at Trey Lance at NBSU and watched
him on four games on YouTube okay again, Central Arkansas,
James Madison, North Dakota, and Butler. And these games are
available for everybody to watch if you want to go
watch them. And I saw zero dominant traits on his
(27:37):
game film. And that was at the FCS level. I mean,
this was a guy that looked like in an accurate
option quarterback, a guy who was an athlete trying to
be a quarterback. And that's what prompted me to give
him the undraftable, you know, free agent grade. You know,
saying that you know online my reports that he projected
(27:58):
to a possible practice squad player. Maybe this is the
guy you bring in to run your scout team. I mean,
there's so many things that showed up in game film.
It was like it was just I just listed him
down the page. I mean he had he had a
lack for fuel for the pass rush. He looked overwhelmed
against the pass rush, took too many sacks, didn't throw
it away, was hesitant to pull the trigger and throw,
(28:22):
especially against tighter coverages. His ball placement was all over
the road. He was a erratic. He didn't throw a
lot of what I call wide receiver friendly passes. He
was completely exposed I felt at the intermediate route level,
especially inst central Arkansas. His deep ball was a erratic
through a lot of fifty to fifty balls, lack deep touch.
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I didn't like him as a runner. I thought he
would look average. He lacked elusive to this, you know,
running the ball. I was just wasn't seeing the upside guys.
I mean, he was a I didn't think he was
going to become any more accurate. You know when I
say he lacked upside, and I didn't feel like he
was going to become a more faster and more LUs
awarding the ball either. He wasn't again dominant the FCS level.
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And Dick Hayley, who was when I was with the Jets,
was our director of player personnel who helped build the
nineteen seventies dynasty with the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know, he
taught me. He said, hey, listen, you know, Daniel, if
these guys aren't looking dominant, if they don't just jump
off the screen at you at lesser levels of competition
like the FCS, you know, they don't really have to
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stand a chance in the NFL. And that's something that's
always stuck with me. And then you flash forward to
his pro dade, which even lowered my grade on him
even more and my thoughts on him even more, because
this is where the number one weekness really jumped off
the screen at me. And that was his lack of confidence,
self doubt. I wasn't getting a vibe leadership and his
(29:46):
body language I watched him, you seem lethargic, sluggish, eyes
looked down trodden, reminded me more of body language along
the lines of a Jason Campbell or Deshown Kiser of
course with the Browns, and so you know, I was shot.
You know, is this thing you know glance Manny is
since I called as its built up? And you know,
here's Michael Lombardi coming out saying possibly Washington might trade
(30:10):
all the draft picks for a shot that draft Lance.
I'm just like, what's going on here? Because I wasn't
seeing it.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
At all, not romont Now did you have that feeling?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Well, what was your feeling about Josh Allen coming out
of Wyoming?
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Well, I did not evaluate Josh l I've been asked
out a lot, but I did not evaluate him coming out.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Daniel.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Look, I mean, you gave a very detailed answer, and
we appreciate it as to why.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
You didn't like Trey Lance.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
But when you look at and obviously everybody makes mistakes
every position, there are busts and their surprises, but obviously
the quarterback position probably more so than ever. Joe Montana
was a third round pick. Obviously, Tom Brady a sixth
round pick. Patrick Mahomes, you know, was a tift pick.
I mean, I know it was the first round, but
(31:03):
still tip pick in the draft, and then Donald and
the Trey Lance our third picks, and Marcus mary Old
is the second pick and Baker Mayfield's the first pick.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Why I mean is it?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
It almost seems like it is a crapshoot at the
quarterback position as far as who's going to be great
and who's not.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
To a degree. To a degree, but there's some telltale signs.
I feel that that kind of kind of separate who
might be good from from you know, projecting from college
to the NFL, because there's certain you know, the skill
sets that are translate better to the NFL. For example,
guys who are in the pocket, who are able to
get rid of the football quickly. The NFL is a
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game where the average release time is probably between two
seconds and two point nine seconds. Guys who can get
rid of the football and don't hold it. Guys who
go through their progressions. There is another big thing I
look for in college game film, not just guys are
just locking with first read and just you know, hard stare,
you know, like Will Levis did at Kentucky, just hard
stare of the receiver, you know, before he throws. You know,
(32:08):
that's that's another big one. Going through the progressions, you
know what I mean, it's moving your head back and
forth looking at the field. Another big thing too, I
look at guys. Is ball placement different than accuracy? I
mean a different thing the completion for things. Excuse me,
but the ball placement. Is he throwing a receiver friendly balls?
Where's the ball being placed where the receiver like Mac
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Jones at Alabama when he threw the ball and the
receiver could just run right through the catch. Or do
we have to defall to a bunch of like you know,
acrobatic athletic receivers who are jumping and leaping and diving
over the place to catch the ball to pad the
completion percentage. So those are three things I look for
when I watch college quarterback prospects, and to me are
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telltale signs who's going to have a better chance of
projecting to the NFL than you know, becoming a bust.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Well, so before you go, where you at on Klee Williams?
Speaker 7 (33:00):
Yep, Caleb Williams Right now? I have a second round
great on him, and.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
He seems like he's gonna be the number one pick.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
Yeah, I mean very well, maybe there's there's a very
good chance that because once again you'll hear we go
with the hype and whatnot. But to me, there's a
few things that really concern me about Caleb Williams. Number
one is his downfield ball placement. Another thing that concerns
me is his ball security. He throws a lot of
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balls that are being tipped and deflected downfield, and he
runs around. He holds the ball half the time too
long in the pocket. I feel almost like he's trying
to become a playmaker holding on the ball, running around
doing all this stuff. And another big, very huge risk
on Caleb Williams is a threat for injury in my mind,
because of the way he runs the ball, and he's
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so physical running the ball and not taking better care
of himself by fighting or ducking on a bounce. So
that those are some major concer I have about camb
Walliams at this point.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
All Right, that is great stuff, man. We appreciate it.
Do you agree or not. That's some detailed analysis. We
appreciate it. Daniel Kelly, former NFL scout. Great stuff, man,
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
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that they better pick things up here.
Speaker 8 (35:58):
You is to talk to twelve right, and he was
just telling me, you know, we had a lot of
mistakes in our room today and this basic stuff, little
things like you can't have that, and it's all cool
right now, but I'm telling you, one day he's gonna
lose it. It's gonna happen if it continues to go
to where it's going right now, because if you don't
trust you, he's not gonna throw your ball. I can
promise you that if you don't trust you, he don't
(36:20):
not like throw interceptions so if he can't trust that
you're gonna run the right round, he's not gonna throw it.
It's just a matter of time. Continue to work and
stay in your book and stay locked in so we
can get to where we want to go.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Hey, what do you think about that?
Speaker 5 (36:32):
George? It's the truth.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
It is the truth of being around quarterbacks, having a
quarterback in my in my home.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
If they don't.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Trust you, they will not put the there. Like, bro,
I'm not putting the ball in danger because because I
can't trust that you're gonna be where you're supposed to be,
b where you're supposed to be when you're supposed.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
To be there.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
And you know who else was like that was Peyton
Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning like that played with him the
wide receiver's tight end. I remember talking to Dallas Clark
about this. Dallas Clark was like, Peyton was hard on
the White House, like you better be exactly where you're
supposed to be, And he was, and he was. But
he also said that if Peyton put the ball a
(37:16):
foot not where it was supposed to be, even if
it was catchable, he'd be like, my bad, I got
to put that ball better. And it would have been
a completion look pretty nondescript, and he would go off
on himself and be like, Yo, that's my bad. The
ball's supposed to be two feet two feet outside the numbers,
(37:37):
two feet up and that's where it's supposed to be,
and it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
There was it was one by one. So that's my fault.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
And that's the way that quarterbacks are because Aaron Rodgers
is going to hold himself to a higher standard, but
then he's also going to demand that of the White
House as well.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, I'm with you, and I think this is the
benefit of having a Hall of Fame quarterback, right because
the guys obviously they know he knows what he's talking about.
They're going to listen to him. And I also think
they want to impress him, right like on the Lakers,
Austin Reeves, Jared Vanderbilt, all these other they want to
(38:17):
impress Lebron.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
And so look, if it was.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Still Zach Wilson or Mike Whiter even maybe like a
Kirk Cousins quarterback in this team, I don't think Cole
can necessarily say that, right, But when it's a guy
the stature of an Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
They got it.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
They got no choice but to buckle up and bring
their best.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
And I think that's good.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Forces the level to go up for everybody because the
level of expectation is now is now higher and there
there is no room for mediocrety.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
And if you.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Watch Hard Knocks, that's been kind of the theme of
the of the whole teams that.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
We got Aaron Rodgers, we got to be better.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
It's similar to what the Tom Brady effect when he
went down to Tampa. Everybody's like, we got to be
better Tom, we got to go and press press Tom.
And and that only happens because Tom expected perfection out
of himself and then demanded it out of everybody else.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
And the same thing with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Now if they weren't like But that's the difference between
the elite quarterbacks and the Hall of Fame quarterbacks and
a regular quarterback is that there's a that the expectation
for greatness is higher for themselves even than what it
is for their teammates.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Quickly, what are you expecting from the Justice year?
Speaker 8 (39:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
If you made your pick.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Nine and eight are going.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
To be now they're well, they're they're going to be
right on the cusp. It's they're either gonna be the
seventh seed getting in or the eight seed sitting on
the outside.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
You think there's a division that's gonna get three in.
I mean, AFC is so freaking deep, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
It is going to be tough, But the only one
that has a shot is the is the AFC East,
because that's that's gonna be tough.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Bro the North man, I think the North is gonna
be be great.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
If Burrow's it's gonna be tough, well Burrow, you got
Burrow in Jackson.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
But you got Cleveland and Pitt two. All Right, we
out
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