June 18, 2024 • 38 mins
Chris and Rob react to the breaking news that Hall of Fame baseball player Willie Mays has died at the age of 93 and tell us how much credit Joe Mazzulla really deserves for the Boston Celtics’ run to the NBA championship. Plus, Super Producer Rob G hosts the latest award-winning edition of Trollin’ or Rollin’.
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Speaker 3 (00:58):
The breaking news?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Oh my god, I can't believe it, Chris, I cannot
believe it.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah, Willie Mays passed away peacefully at the age of
ninety three.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
And uh, ChRI mean, look, that's that's.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
A long, wonderful life he's had and he went peacefully,
according to reports, And uh, that's what you all you
can ask, but yeah, he's, you know, my greatest. Obviously,
I didn't see him play. I think I was like
a little baby. Retired in seventy three. I was a
(01:38):
young boy. I was five at the time. But my
biggest recollections I did have a Willy Mays baseball card
that I wish I hadn't trampled on and played little
baseball games with my friends, and you know what I mean,
it's in terrible shape. Sure, But my father he was
my father's favorite player. My father thought he was the
(01:59):
best player he'd ever seen, and so that was those
were my That's mainly how I knew about Willie Mays
was just through my father being such a fan of his.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Chris, it's Willie Mays wasn't all time great. Obviously, he
could do everything. He was a great center fielder. We've
seen that catch Chris in center field over his shoulder,
Willie Mays basket catch. Willie Mays was a great hitter,
home run hitter, he could steal bases. He was the
five tool guy. Chris and fifty one and fifty two
(02:36):
homers in the season. Yes, and I think he had
six sixties. That the number six sixty. He had sixty
six hundred and sixty.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Home runs for three thousand hits.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Yes, he had all the numbers. He was for a
lot of people.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
He was for a career three old one and.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
He played twenty four All Star Games, Chris twenty four.
Only Haaron had more twenty seasons. Yeah he did. I
told you that was when they used to have two
All Star Games. But the sad part for me is
I'm down here in Birmingham, Alabama, and it was kind
of we were kind of bummed out that Willy couldn't
(03:12):
make it here because this was about Willie Mays.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Chris, he parted his career.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
He's from Alabama. He played for the Black Bearons of
the Negro.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
League, and this was a tribute to him.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
They got stuff tomorrow from UH, the the Hall of Fame, Chris.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Will Willie Mays's plaque was brought from the Hall of.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Fame here so that the fans could get a chance
to look at it and see it for themselves. And
the Louisville Slugger Museum bought bats and stuff that he
used in official games. And this was supposed to be
a showering and.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
UH a tribute to the Negro Leagues, of course, but
Willie Mays, right, and on the eve of this that
he dies, I knew it was gonna be hard for
him to try to make it.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
He's ninety three, Chris. He probably couldn't travel across the
country to get here.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
So I got that he spoke yesterday.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Or at least a couple of days ago, that was
quotes from the San Francisco Chronicle, you know, saying he
couldn't make it, he couldn't wait to watch the game.
And then for him not to see a major league
game played in the oldest stadium, you know, a stadium
that housed the Negro League's Chris, Oh my goodness, gracious,
I am really bummed out a that we lost such
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an iconic player person. And then just for so this
is going to be a total tribute to Willie Mays
as we go forward here in Birmingham tomorrow and Thursday
with the game. And of course the Giants are one
of the teams playing against the Cardinals. That's will He
may his team the New York Giants first and then
(05:03):
the San Francisco Giants.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Wow, yeah, I do think look.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Like you said, it's unfortunate in a sense of you know,
with everything that's set up down in Birmingham, but also
they will be able to celebrate Willie.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
You know, in his life.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah, and that's where I mean, what better place than
where he started his career playing for, as you said,
the Birmingham Black Bears of the now Negro American League.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
So yeah, it's it's just sad.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
But again, Rob, I mean, we all have to die,
and if you can live to be ninety three and go.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Peacefully, that's about all you can have.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
No, I know it obviously had a more fruitful life,
to say the least. Was an awesome, awesome baseball player,
and you know, just a great great I mean, he's
a legend. He is a he doesn't get any more
legendary than Willy Mays.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Right, No, I mean it really does it The say,
hey kid, you know Chris in New York when New
York had three baseball teams, the New York Giants, the Yankees,
and the Brooklyn Dodgers, and they had three great center fielders.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
They even made a song Willy, Mickey and the Duke,
and you see Willie first, Mickey Manno, of course, a
great center field a great player and Duke Schneider for
the Brooklyn Dodgers, Willie Mickey and the Duke. Three great
center fielders who played in New York at the same
time on three different teams. And Willie Mays was that guy.
(06:43):
He really really was.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And I got to see him, Chris at the end
where he's playing left field for the Mets. You know,
he played for the Mets in nineteen seventy three when
they lost the World Series to the Oakland.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
A's last year.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Yeah, he was not the same player.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think he came to the Mets in seventy two
and played there two and seventy three.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Am I right?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You got the years seventy two and seventy three, and
he wasn't the same player. You know, he was at
the end of his career.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Four years old at the end.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, still out there, Yeah, but playing left field. He
could never be playing center field at forty two. But man,
I just I just like the timing of it. I'm
just I'm a little thrown off, I really am. I Mean,
I know he's ninety three, but just right on the
edge of this. But you're right, Chris, this will be
an opportunity for baseball and baseball is one. The one
(07:34):
thing about baseball is that they do celebrate the past
like that is one thing about baseball, Like they do
celebrate the past players and the.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
History of the game. And it's a big part of
the sport.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And that's why numbers are so important to people, more
so than any other sport. When you talk about certain
numbers that are iconic, Baseball does that.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, Willie may Is was. I mean he did everything
as on the baseball field, like you.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Said, tremendous fielder out in center field, hit for average
like we talked about his career over three hundred and
three oh one, and also hit for power, hit fifty
or more home runs twice, and stole bases.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
He led the league in steals four times.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Like he did it all rob And you rarely see
that combination in a player today.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I'm not saying it's never done.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Mookie Betts hits you know, a good number of home
runs and obviously hits for average and stuff like that,
but you don't always see that combination rob of great
power and hitting for average. And that's what you got
with Willie Mays. And in addition to tremendous defense and
some stolen.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Bases, Oh god, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
What a what a tremendous player, one of the iconic players,
one of the top. When you look at it, I mean,
there's always Hank Aaron. It was like your dad, Willie
Mays was his guy. Was Hank Aaron and Willie Mays
and they were you know, you go look at their numbers.
Hank Aaron went to twenty five All Star Games, Willie
Mays went to twenty four.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Hank Aaron with the you know, had the home run record.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Chris and Willie Mays had six hundred and sixty and
they both battled over three hundred. They both had three
thousand hits. When you look at their careers, it's incredible.
And they both played in the Negro leagues Chris before
they went to the major leagues. Both of them, their
careers are very very similar, and they had tremendous careers.
(09:50):
And now we've lost we lost Hank and now we've
lost Willy Mays. And you're right, I mean ninety three
and going peacefully and not being terribly sick a long
time or what you know what it could be.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Makes it a little.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Bit easier to deal with as far as uh uh,
Willie made's going peacefully.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
But what news, my goodness, gracious.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Well, you know, Robert, you and I, I mean, we're
not that we're that old, but we're of the age where,
you know, and we've already seen many of our heroes
pass away. And you feel strange when it starts happening, like, man,
it feels like everybody's you know, dying.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
But it's just life.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
It's the circle of life. But it doesn't make it.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Any easier or less stunning when all these things start happening.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
No, it doesn't, but it does. It does jolt you, Chris,
even though it's a part of life. And we see
a lot of people pass, there's certain people who pass
and it just kind of, you know, shakes you a
little bit, doesn't it just just a little bit, yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
And a lot of people die, you know, every.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
No, everybody, like George said, everybody gonna die, no doubt
about it.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I love that song that we play every the Willie
Mays song. I want to play that. I don't know
if we should play it. Were playing now, let's yeah,
let's and then we could do some calls. People can
talk about great players. What Willy Mays meant to you
maybe that maybe didn't. But there's some older people listening
as well who maybe have uh loved Willie Mays. And
if you're younger and you just know the history of
(11:34):
him or anything, any kind of thought you have, that
would be great.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Let's to you, uh, not necessarily right now, but maybe
in the eighties, nineties, early two thousands of Willie Mays, and.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
There may not be to me.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, yeah, like a player that plays comparable.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I mean, are we saying Griffy Griffy Jr.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I mean great center fielder, Chris, great center fielder. He's lefty,
and that's why he never got the comparison to Willie
Mains because Millie Mains is a writing was a writing,
so I think that's why. But he's a great center
field that speed had power, you know, Griffy, Yeah, Griffy
Griffy would be that guy.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
So all right, let's hear this song about Willie Mays.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
We played a number we've played in a number of times, Chris,
because I really like it, and this is a song
about the say hey kid, Willy Mays.
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Speaker 3 (13:15):
We just shared the sad news about the living.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Legend or now late great Willie Mays just passed away
h eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. You want
to weigh in what he meant to you, what your
recollections of him were, Anything you want to say about
Willie Mays.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Absolutely, Damon and Louisville, let's start with you. You're on
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. Words for the
late great Willie Mays.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
Yeah, what's up, fellas? Hey, Willy Mays was my grandfather's
favorite player.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
And I'm fifty.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Years old, so you know, guys like us are fifty
and older. We grew up Willie Mays was one of
our heroes. You know. So in my home growing up,
Willy Maids was on baseballs Mount Rushmore. You know.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
So I won't say macondoless.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
To his family and stands and stuff, and uh that's.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
About it, Okay, No, I get it, Thank you, brother,
no doubt about it. People who grew up Willie Maids
was a part of that. And you know that, Chris,
the black culture and people when because it's the whole
color barrier thing, you know, when they broke when Jackie
Robinson broke the color barrier. You know, black people flock
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the ballparks to be able to see black players play.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
It was a it was a big deal. It was
It was really a big deal.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Changed the way, uh the country people felt in the
country by seeing black players in the major leagues.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
It really did.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Will In Nashville, you're on the eye couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
What's up?
Speaker 7 (14:56):
Will?
Speaker 9 (14:57):
What's up?
Speaker 10 (14:57):
Boys? A. I'm thirty years old and never saw Willie
Mays play, but hearing you guys talk about hitting for power,
hitting for average, stealing good glove in the afield. I'm
a brave fan. My mind goes to unfortunately injured right now,
Ronald Acunya R.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I was curious.
Speaker 10 (15:18):
I was curious what you guys thought about that comparison.
I'll hang up and listen.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Thanks, yep, and that that's a fair comparison, Chris, who's
playing now?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Yeah, Ronald Jr.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Does everything he does, all that stolen bases, hits for
power average.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I think that's fair.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah, big time.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Thanks for the call eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
If anybody else wants to chime and the other thing too,
I had, Chris, let me tell you my brush with
greatness in Willie May's I was twenty two years old.
A lot of stuff happened when I was twenty two,
just starting out the daily News, Chris, and back then
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they had a lot of press conferences in New York.
I was a general assignment reporter, So I would show
up to the office in the morning, Chris, and they
would throw one or two stories at you. You know
what I mean, Hey, Rob, write this, here's a press
release that came in. Write, you know, write a story,
or there's a press conference at the Waldolph a story
of Rob go down and whatever. And I remember it
(16:21):
was USA Today was announcing the All Star ballot and
they had former great players and Willie Mays was like
one of the ambassadors for the voting Chris for the
Baseball All Star Game. And that was my first time
in going down and meeting this iconic figure Willie Mays.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
And I went down and Chris.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
What I was looking for from Willie Mays was the
big hot story at that time, and this is like
nineteen eighty six, was the lack of black managers. And
I remember, you know, being a little nervous go on
up there here, I am asking Willie May's a question
and whatnot. But that was my That was my And
then I you know, saw him a few other times
(17:07):
after that. But the first time I ever met him
was nineteen eighty six. I was twenty two years old.
Speaker 11 (17:14):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Wow, Now he I mean, like you said, he was
a legend, living legend during their.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Time when you and I were growing up.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
And as you said, I mean, it wasn't you know,
that wasn't I mean, that was of course forty years
roughly when you started covering the league.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
But I mean as kids.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
It was thirty someidd years after you know, the color
barrier was broken. But black athletes back then were even bigger.
Rob just I mean they're big, huge now, but you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Like you said, no, back then, I agree, Chris, one
hundred percent. You're one hundred percent right because there weren't
a lot of other CEOs and all kinds of other
people's entertainers and athletes weren't politicians. No, it was entertainment,
entertainers and athletes. We've got a couple more people want
to jump in, but you're right about that.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Like where there's where they stood out in the black.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Community, was huge, had a big shadow, Sean in Oregon.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
You're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's
up Sean?
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Hey, Baseball worlds in mourning right now?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Brother, No doubt Dodgers hat where Dodgers hat with embroidered
forty two.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
But most of America recognized.
Speaker 10 (18:30):
Willie Mays as being to say, hey, kid.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
The best of all time.
Speaker 10 (18:33):
There's two people we look up to all my life.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
It was Babe Ruth and Willie Mays.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
No, No, it's it's he was on that level.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Yes, big time.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
He was one of the few people that we show with.
Babe Ruth.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, appreciate it, thank you. How about Dan in San Diego.
You're on the EYD couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
What's up Dan?
Speaker 8 (18:54):
Hey, gentlemen, And this one tears me apart. I was
four years old and my dad was in then eighty
and we were stationed in Brooklyn. The first game, he
took me to the Polo.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
Grounds and I remember that's was exposed to lys and
we came to San Diego and I used to go
to La and Muss and all the time. To me,
Willy Days was the greatest all around player in the
Hills baseball. And if he would have not played at
candles Park, he would have hit eighty.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, Candlestick Chris won the great park, you know, thanks, Thanks,
would have called Dan because of the swirling winds and whatnot.
It wasn't a great hitters park Candlestick Park, right right,
So that did and he's doing a six hundred and
sixty home runs.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I mean you can definitely think, I mean, who knows
how he would have hit if he wasn't playing a Candlestick.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, that was That wasn't a great hitters part TJ
in Nashville. You're in the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
What's up, TJ?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
What's up?
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Bro? Hey, I remember you in Detroit back in the
early nineties. You run the local radio station. He's just
right racist.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I did. That was back when I was with Stony.
That's all back of the old day.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
I want to tell you. I'm glad I found the station.
It took me a while trying to get through. I
remember you. I remember seeing you on TV. Dude, you're
my Willie May. He's a sports dot man.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Wow, thank you to.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Fifty nine years old. I didn't really see him play,
but seeing all of his plays. You're by Willie May's
sports my man.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
I appreciate you, thank.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
You, but I remember you from Detroit and I love you, bro.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Thank you, my man. Thanks TJ.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Thanks for the support of the odd couple here Fox Sports.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Radio and uh man.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Now it's t all right eight seven seven ninety nine
on Fox.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Thank you for your thoughts. We got trolling and rolling
with Martin Weiss around the corner.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
But first, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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Speaker 3 (21:21):
Tom Brady, he's done. Aaron Rodgers did not have a
Pro Bowl season. Trying to kiss me.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
It's trolling or rolling.
Speaker 12 (21:33):
That's right. It is trolling and rolling.
Speaker 13 (21:34):
Here in the Akaba Fox Sports Radio Martin Wiss having
some travel issues on his way to Birmingham, so I'm
stepping in.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
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he's actually Melby Bro. No, actually, I.
Speaker 12 (21:46):
Haven't got that kind of money there for Melby Bro.
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He coming on his own.
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No, No, for Ebony, he's riding for Ebony.
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Wow, that's good.
Speaker 12 (21:54):
No, okay, all right.
Speaker 13 (21:56):
So in any event, it is trolling and rolling. If
the guys like the store, they get the roll sound.
They see me they don't like, get the troll sound.
Oh many, And this is gonna be the NBA Finals
edition to get all the stories we couldn't get to
throughout the main show.
Speaker 12 (22:11):
So let's get to it. Story number one.
Speaker 13 (22:13):
According to the stat Mamba, Jalen Brown's twenty point eight
points per game in the Finals was the fourth lowest
by a Finals MVP in the last forty years, just
ahead of Andrea Gridala twenty fifteen, Kawhi and twenty fourteen,
and Tim Duncan in two thousand and five. Now we
all know how you guys feel about that iggy Finals MVP.
(22:36):
So here's the question trollin. I'm sorry, Jayalen Brown as
the second worst Finals MVP of the last forty years.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I'm trolling it, oh many, Hey, hey, hey, hey, it's
the worst. You said second one?
Speaker 7 (22:57):
Wow?
Speaker 12 (22:57):
Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, let's say it's the second worst. I just cannot
imagine how when you look at all the stats that
Tatum had and then the big game, close out game
and Jayalen Brown shoot seven for twenty three, which on
(23:18):
any other night would be a disappointing night for anybody,
that he could win the MVP. I think that again,
I think Tatum was robbed. I think people went into
that last game with Jalen Brown on their mind and
they totally ignored that game the same way they gave
Kobe the MVP after Powle Gasol bailed him out in
that game seven.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I'm trolling it.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Oh man.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I don't think he's the worst or the second worst.
I don't think it was a bad choice. I think
it could have went to him or Tatum. I mean
Tatum did not shoot well throughout the early parts and
really the whole series for the most he was eleven
twenty four in the in the second game, but Brown
(24:04):
was over fifty percent I believe in the first three
games as far as field goal percent is. So I
still think it should have been Tatum, But I have
no issue with Brown, and you, like you said, right,
Igwadala and shout out to Andre because he is a
very good player, was a very good player and played
a good role in that Finals win. But Steph averaged
(24:26):
twenty six points, six assist, and no other Warrior average
more than sixteen points a game. That was Iguadala at
sixteen Steph letingman points and assist, And so I thought
that was an egregious.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Overlook to not give it to Steph Curry.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I mean Igwadala kind of his claim to fame was
guarding Lebron Oh, who only averaged thirty six, thirteen and
nine in that series.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
So I mean, what he's shut down Lebron or what?
Speaker 4 (24:58):
So yeah, I'm gonnatrol that that Brown is not the
worst or the second worst Finals MVP.
Speaker 13 (25:05):
All right, trolling rolling Akoba Fox Spordrainium story number two.
Before the finals started, Kyrie Irving and Luka Doncis were
being hailed as the best offensive backcourt in NBA history,
with some even calling them a top three backcourt overall. Okay, now,
given what we saw in these finals, particularly from Kyrie
Irving Chris Brussar trolling or rolling that the whole best
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offensive backcourt narrative is officially Da D dead.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Trolling it.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Oh, Many's dead for now, and they.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Will never be the best.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
I mean, unless they're going to just an unrealistic run.
The best is Stephan Klay. They got four championships. They're
arguably the two best shooters ever. I mean, they're the best,
all right, and at least one of them, Clay is
a was a very good defender in this day, better
than Luca or Kyrie will probably ever be. But they
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could if they can go ahead and win a ring,
and you know, we know Kyrie's not going anywhere. If
they can win a ring, then they would be a
top five, maybe top three backcourt of all time.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Because ironically, if you really look it up, there's not.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
A ton of like backcourts where you had two phenomenal
players like I got Isaiah and Dumar's second best. I
got Jerry Wes and Gail Goodrich third best. You know,
Walt Fraser and Earl Monroe are in there. And then
to me like Jenobleie and Parker. I mean, so they
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could become, you know, surpassed some of those guys if
they can win a ring.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
So it's not officially dead, but it's dead for now.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I'm rolling with it.
Speaker 14 (26:54):
They see me, ding Dong the witch is dead, the
wicked Witch, the wicked Witch. Thing Dong, The Wicked Witch
is dead. And that's what we're talking about right here,
right now. We could go in out crystal balls and
talk about five years from now, three years from now,
all that, but right now, after all the build up
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and all the apologies and all the look at what
they did, and my god.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
And who's gonna stop them? Is dead? No one's talking
about that.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Will could even imagine putting that out there at this point.
That's all I'm saying. It doesn't mean what the future holds,
but today is dead, all right.
Speaker 13 (27:32):
Story number three here on the Eye Couple trolling and
rolling the Boston Celtics of course, early favorites to repeat
next year coding to our friends Lamar Mitchell and bed MGN.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Every team that wins is supposed to so that's.
Speaker 13 (27:44):
Not surprising plus three ten and so then you'd of
course expect that the MAVs, who were the runner up,
would be second. Well, that would be wrong because Dallas
opened up third in the title odds, well behind the
Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I believe that.
Speaker 13 (27:59):
Okay, there we go, Rob Park, start with you trolling
and rolling that Luka Doncs MAVs should be the favorites
to win the West in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
I'm trolling it.
Speaker 15 (28:11):
Oh many, Hey, I think what you aside from Kyrie
not playing well, Chris, you looked at that roster, they
weren't the Boston had a better roster, like they have
a good team.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
But I think it was more about matchups more so
than just looking at the player for player, And I
look at some of the other teams out West, and
in another scenario or circumstance, could I see them beating
Dallas absolutely like a Denver Denver doesn't lose the first
two games at home. I got them in the NBA Finals.
But anyway, so yeah, I don't think they should be favorites.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Try, I'm trying to think of away. The question was worded,
I don't think they should be favorite. So is that troller?
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Oh man, Hey, yeah, I think Denver should be the favorite.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I mean it is matchups and look, Dallas give them credit.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Ribe they went through the Clippers.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
I know Kawhi was hurt, but you still had Harden
and Paul George. They went through OKC, which was the
number one seed in the West, and of course they
went through Minnesota, which took down the defending champ. So
Minnesota will be right there and right now I'll say Denver,
but I you know, who knows. I may pick Minnesota
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when the season starts, but I don't think Dallas. I know,
with those two teams, Dallas and Denver, I think Denver's
better and so I would pick them to be ahead
of Dallas for sure.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Rob g you got a bonus one.
Speaker 13 (29:49):
Yeah, we had some time. I'll do one last bonus
edition for you guys, because I like you.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
So.
Speaker 13 (29:53):
The Boston Celtics won their eighteen the NBA Championship last night,
putting them now one up over My Lakers for the
most by a franchise in ANBA history. But sixteen of
those Celtics rings came before the nineteen eighties, and five
of the Lakers rings came when they played in Minneapolis.
Speaker 12 (30:09):
Chris Brussar Troe.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Not sixteen of them for the eighties, Oh.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
The eighties, yes, not nineteen eightieses, Okay, right, yes, trolling
or rolling that this ring number eighteen cements the Boston
Celtics as the best franchise in NBA history.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Oh, I'm trolling that.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Oh man, hey, hey, hey, the Lakers are the best franchise.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I mean, you go back and you.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Have George Mikeen in the Minneapolis Lakers. I think they
won five and so they got some history, right if
you go way back to the beginnings of the league
and then I mean they've been the eighties, they won
championships five of them. Then they won the nineties, they
didn't win, but they you know, they were a pretty
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good team. And then the two thousands, of course they
three peted. They've only been the Celtics, you know, after
Bill Russell, there've only been three three peats, two for
Jordan and one for shocking Kobe. And then of course
Kobe wins two more with Powle Gasol and then Lebron
wins one.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
So they've been far better.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
I mean, if you said through the eighties, so go
from the eighties forward and you got a three peat,
another repeat and then another single one, you got six
since nineteen ninety and Boston has what two? So yeah,
the Lakers are the better franch and most of the
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best players in ever played for the Lakers. They've had
more great players than any other franchise.
Speaker 15 (31:42):
Yeah, I'm trolling it as well, oh many.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
And I'm not Chris.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I'm not knocking them for playing and winning when they did.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
But we've talked about it before.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
There were like four teams that won every championship during
that time because there was no free agency. Once you
had a good team, and there weren't that many teams around.
There were eight or ten players, you know what I mean,
eight or ten teams, I should say in the league.
So if you had a good team, you had a
good team for a long time. Nobody went anywhere you
were good, right, And that's when the Celtics were really
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really good. It was during that more so than when
there was more parody and talent was spread around. So
I'm with you, I know know, Rob G's very happy
because he wants his Lakers.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I did that on Spike answered, I know the answer,
But what's your reasoning?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
What we said?
Speaker 13 (32:33):
Uh yeah, because we have a consistency of winning over
that several decades.
Speaker 12 (32:37):
Right, just a lot in a short period of time.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
All right, what it was?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Yep, it's the Akauple. Fox Sports Radio, keep it locked.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
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Speaker 7 (32:58):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
I think Joe was did a fantastic job this year
with this team.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I think he deserves a lot of credit for this championship.
Speaker 12 (33:06):
Your thoughts, I do?
Speaker 5 (33:08):
I agree?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I mean I know a lot of people, Chris, you
know Missoula.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Is he good enough? Is he up for the task?
Blah blah blah blah blah, Udoka.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
You know, like the Celtics lost a lot by having
to fire him, you know, over the whole uh uh,
work misconduct? Is that correct? Can I say that work misconduct?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Chris?
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Yeah, I'm trying to be right, PCG Yeah, PG, there
you go.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But you gotta give him credit, Chris, because because they
got it done.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
They got it done.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I don't think anybody thought that Missoula was an upgrade
from Udoka, not anybody.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
He was not even on the first pat a.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Really good coach people year yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Right, and Missoula was on the second bench because he
wasn't even on the main bench, right, And they plucked
him from there, plucked put him in, and he got
it done. He won a championship. You could do whatever
you want. You can't take that from him. God, he
can't take that from him.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
I do think he deserves credit, as you said, and
he did do some things differently. Now, I'm sure Brad Stevens,
you know, who leads basketball operations, and maybe some other
people in the building had something to do with this.
But under Udoka, a defense was their focus and they
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were obviously you had two great offensive players in Tatum
and Brown, but they were ninth in the league robing
three point attempts, which isn't bad, but that's what they
were the first year, which was just last year under Missoula.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Rob, they went to second in three point attempts.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
This year they were first in three point attempts in
both the regular season and the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
That is a clear coaching shift. All right, that's Missoula.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
When you look at some of their players and people
talk about, oh, the great roster. Yeah, but Al Horford,
who ended up starting a center for him during the playoffs,
is thirty and at the end of his prime. I
mean been at the end of his prime for years now.
Chris stapsforzingis even very good player. But rob could never
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stay healthy and obviously has some injury issues this year too.
But also it didn't fit in Dallas, where it looks
seemed like he'd be a great fit with Luca.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Ended up kind of being a journeyman. This was his
fourth team. He's not even thirty, and.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Then you got two of your key players off the
bench are an undrafted Sam Houser and Peyton Pritchard, a
six foot.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Three point shooter. So I'm saying, like, my point is this,
he has gotten more out of these guys then other
coaches did.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I mean, right, we talk about the great roster, but
again the seventh and eighth man were.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Peyton Pritchard and Sam Houser.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
You know what I'm saying, right, right?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
No, I mean back in the day they had Robert Williams,
the third Grand Williams.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
You know what I mean, they had a little more depth.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
I think, I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I do not disagree with you, and you gotta if
you can look at stuff, Chris, that that's tangible and
give them credit, you know, for making some adjustments, using
some people, maybe not having as much telling as some
of the other coaches. And even in Brad Stevens, you
can give Brad Stevens all the credit.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
He had some really good players as well. They didn't win.
They didn't win, Chris, right, they did not win. That's why.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
That's why not the coach anymore. It's not because he
was so great, right, I mean I think he yeah,
he ricked. I mean give him credit for recognizing Rob
he kind of.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Stepped aside and went up into the into the front office.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
And yeah, he didn't get it done as a coach.
So Missoula deserves a lot of credit. He may never
win again, Chris, who knows, but he got it done.
I do think he's really good. He's young, he's only
thirty four, thirty five.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
You know, I kind of like him now, you know,
I've had him on my hot seat.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
He's off that. He's off the hot seat now.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
But no, I think he's a good coach, and you know,
he's got a different demeanor, you know, a little bit
of Bellichhack.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Maybe you know he's talk says.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
More, but you know, just doesn't really play around with
the media for the most part. But hey, congratulations Joe Missoula,
Jason Tatum, Jaylen Brown and all the Celtics and all
Celtics nations.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
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Speaker 3 (00:58):
The breaking news?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Oh my god, I can't believe it, Chris, I cannot
believe it.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah, Willie Mays passed away peacefully at the age of
ninety three.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
And uh, ChRI mean, look, that's that's.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
A long, wonderful life he's had and he went peacefully,
according to reports, And uh, that's what you all you
can ask, but yeah, he's, you know, my greatest. Obviously,
I didn't see him play. I think I was like
a little baby. Retired in seventy three. I was a
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young boy. I was five at the time. But my
biggest recollections I did have a Willy Mays baseball card
that I wish I hadn't trampled on and played little
baseball games with my friends, and you know what I mean,
it's in terrible shape. Sure, But my father he was
my father's favorite player. My father thought he was the
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best player he'd ever seen, and so that was those
were my That's mainly how I knew about Willie Mays
was just through my father being such a fan of his.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Chris, it's Willie Mays wasn't all time great. Obviously, he
could do everything. He was a great center fielder. We've
seen that catch Chris in center field over his shoulder,
Willie Mays basket catch. Willie Mays was a great hitter,
home run hitter, he could steal bases. He was the
five tool guy. Chris and fifty one and fifty two
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homers in the season. Yes, and I think he had
six sixties. That the number six sixty. He had sixty
six hundred and sixty.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Home runs for three thousand hits.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Yes, he had all the numbers. He was for a
lot of people.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
He was for a career three old one and.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
He played twenty four All Star Games, Chris twenty four.
Only Haaron had more twenty seasons. Yeah he did. I
told you that was when they used to have two
All Star Games. But the sad part for me is
I'm down here in Birmingham, Alabama, and it was kind
of we were kind of bummed out that Willy couldn't
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make it here because this was about Willie Mays.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Chris, he parted his career.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
He's from Alabama. He played for the Black Bearons of
the Negro.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
League, and this was a tribute to him.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
They got stuff tomorrow from UH, the the Hall of Fame, Chris.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Will Willie Mays's plaque was brought from the Hall of.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Fame here so that the fans could get a chance
to look at it and see it for themselves. And
the Louisville Slugger Museum bought bats and stuff that he
used in official games. And this was supposed to be
a showering and.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
UH a tribute to the Negro Leagues, of course, but
Willie Mays, right, and on the eve of this that
he dies, I knew it was gonna be hard for
him to try to make it.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
He's ninety three, Chris. He probably couldn't travel across the
country to get here.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
So I got that he spoke yesterday.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Or at least a couple of days ago, that was
quotes from the San Francisco Chronicle, you know, saying he
couldn't make it, he couldn't wait to watch the game.
And then for him not to see a major league
game played in the oldest stadium, you know, a stadium
that housed the Negro League's Chris, Oh my goodness, gracious,
I am really bummed out a that we lost such
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an iconic player person. And then just for so this
is going to be a total tribute to Willie Mays
as we go forward here in Birmingham tomorrow and Thursday
with the game. And of course the Giants are one
of the teams playing against the Cardinals. That's will He
may his team the New York Giants first and then
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the San Francisco Giants.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Wow, yeah, I do think look.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Like you said, it's unfortunate in a sense of you know,
with everything that's set up down in Birmingham, but also
they will be able to celebrate Willie.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
You know, in his life.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah, and that's where I mean, what better place than
where he started his career playing for, as you said,
the Birmingham Black Bears of the now Negro American League.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
So yeah, it's it's just sad.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
But again, Rob, I mean, we all have to die,
and if you can live to be ninety three and go.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Peacefully, that's about all you can have.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
No, I know it obviously had a more fruitful life,
to say the least. Was an awesome, awesome baseball player,
and you know, just a great great I mean, he's
a legend. He is a he doesn't get any more
legendary than Willy Mays.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Right, No, I mean it really does it The say,
hey kid, you know Chris in New York when New
York had three baseball teams, the New York Giants, the Yankees,
and the Brooklyn Dodgers, and they had three great center fielders.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
They even made a song Willy, Mickey and the Duke,
and you see Willie first, Mickey Manno, of course, a
great center field a great player and Duke Schneider for
the Brooklyn Dodgers, Willie Mickey and the Duke. Three great
center fielders who played in New York at the same
time on three different teams. And Willie Mays was that guy.
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He really really was.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And I got to see him, Chris at the end
where he's playing left field for the Mets. You know,
he played for the Mets in nineteen seventy three when
they lost the World Series to the Oakland.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
A's last year.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Yeah, he was not the same player.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think he came to the Mets in seventy two
and played there two and seventy three.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Am I right?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You got the years seventy two and seventy three, and
he wasn't the same player. You know, he was at
the end of his career.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Four years old at the end.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, still out there, Yeah, but playing left field. He
could never be playing center field at forty two. But man,
I just I just like the timing of it. I'm
just I'm a little thrown off, I really am. I Mean,
I know he's ninety three, but just right on the
edge of this. But you're right, Chris, this will be
an opportunity for baseball and baseball is one. The one
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thing about baseball is that they do celebrate the past
like that is one thing about baseball, Like they do
celebrate the past players and the.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
History of the game. And it's a big part of
the sport.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And that's why numbers are so important to people, more
so than any other sport. When you talk about certain
numbers that are iconic, Baseball does that.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, Willie may Is was. I mean he did everything
as on the baseball field, like you.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Said, tremendous fielder out in center field, hit for average
like we talked about his career over three hundred and
three oh one, and also hit for power, hit fifty
or more home runs twice, and stole bases.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
He led the league in steals four times.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Like he did it all rob And you rarely see
that combination in a player today.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I'm not saying it's never done.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Mookie Betts hits you know, a good number of home
runs and obviously hits for average and stuff like that,
but you don't always see that combination rob of great
power and hitting for average. And that's what you got
with Willie Mays. And in addition to tremendous defense and
some stolen.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Bases, Oh god, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
What a what a tremendous player, one of the iconic players,
one of the top. When you look at it, I mean,
there's always Hank Aaron. It was like your dad, Willie
Mays was his guy. Was Hank Aaron and Willie Mays
and they were you know, you go look at their numbers.
Hank Aaron went to twenty five All Star Games, Willie
Mays went to twenty four.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Hank Aaron with the you know, had the home run record.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Chris and Willie Mays had six hundred and sixty and
they both battled over three hundred. They both had three
thousand hits. When you look at their careers, it's incredible.
And they both played in the Negro leagues Chris before
they went to the major leagues. Both of them, their
careers are very very similar, and they had tremendous careers.
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And now we've lost we lost Hank and now we've
lost Willy Mays. And you're right, I mean ninety three
and going peacefully and not being terribly sick a long
time or what you know what it could be.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
Makes it a little.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Bit easier to deal with as far as uh uh,
Willie made's going peacefully.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
But what news, my goodness, gracious.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Well, you know, Robert, you and I, I mean, we're
not that we're that old, but we're of the age where,
you know, and we've already seen many of our heroes
pass away. And you feel strange when it starts happening, like, man,
it feels like everybody's you know, dying.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
But it's just life.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
It's the circle of life. But it doesn't make it.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Any easier or less stunning when all these things start happening.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
No, it doesn't, but it does. It does jolt you, Chris,
even though it's a part of life. And we see
a lot of people pass, there's certain people who pass
and it just kind of, you know, shakes you a
little bit, doesn't it just just a little bit, yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
And a lot of people die, you know, every.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
No, everybody, like George said, everybody gonna die, no doubt
about it.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I love that song that we play every the Willie
Mays song. I want to play that. I don't know
if we should play it. Were playing now, let's yeah,
let's and then we could do some calls. People can
talk about great players. What Willy Mays meant to you
maybe that maybe didn't. But there's some older people listening
as well who maybe have uh loved Willie Mays. And
if you're younger and you just know the history of
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him or anything, any kind of thought you have, that
would be great.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Let's to you, uh, not necessarily right now, but maybe
in the eighties, nineties, early two thousands of Willie Mays, and.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
There may not be to me.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, yeah, like a player that plays comparable.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I mean, are we saying Griffy Griffy Jr.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I mean great center fielder, Chris, great center fielder. He's lefty,
and that's why he never got the comparison to Willie
Mains because Millie Mains is a writing was a writing,
so I think that's why. But he's a great center
field that speed had power, you know, Griffy, Yeah, Griffy
Griffy would be that guy.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
So all right, let's hear this song about Willie Mays.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
We played a number we've played in a number of times, Chris,
because I really like it, and this is a song
about the say hey kid, Willy Mays.
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Speaker 1 (12:41):
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We just shared the sad news about the living.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Legend or now late great Willie Mays just passed away
h eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. You want
to weigh in what he meant to you, what your
recollections of him were, Anything you want to say about
Willie Mays.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Absolutely, Damon and Louisville, let's start with you. You're on
the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. Words for the
late great Willie Mays.
Speaker 7 (13:44):
Yeah, what's up, fellas? Hey, Willy Mays was my grandfather's
favorite player.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
And I'm fifty.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Years old, so you know, guys like us are fifty
and older. We grew up Willie Mays was one of
our heroes. You know. So in my home growing up,
Willy Maids was on baseballs Mount Rushmore. You know.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
So I won't say macondoless.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
To his family and stands and stuff, and uh that's.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
About it, Okay, No, I get it, Thank you, brother,
no doubt about it. People who grew up Willie Maids
was a part of that. And you know that, Chris,
the black culture and people when because it's the whole
color barrier thing, you know, when they broke when Jackie
Robinson broke the color barrier. You know, black people flock
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the ballparks to be able to see black players play.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
It was a it was a big deal. It was
It was really a big deal.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Changed the way, uh the country people felt in the
country by seeing black players in the major leagues.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
It really did.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Will In Nashville, you're on the eye couple of Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
What's up?
Speaker 7 (14:56):
Will?
Speaker 9 (14:57):
What's up?
Speaker 10 (14:57):
Boys? A. I'm thirty years old and never saw Willie
Mays play, but hearing you guys talk about hitting for power,
hitting for average, stealing good glove in the afield. I'm
a brave fan. My mind goes to unfortunately injured right now,
Ronald Acunya R.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I was curious.
Speaker 10 (15:18):
I was curious what you guys thought about that comparison.
I'll hang up and listen.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Thanks, yep, and that that's a fair comparison, Chris, who's
playing now?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Yeah, Ronald Jr.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Does everything he does, all that stolen bases, hits for
power average.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I think that's fair.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah, big time.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Thanks for the call eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox.
If anybody else wants to chime and the other thing too,
I had, Chris, let me tell you my brush with
greatness in Willie May's I was twenty two years old.
A lot of stuff happened when I was twenty two,
just starting out the daily News, Chris, and back then
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they had a lot of press conferences in New York.
I was a general assignment reporter, So I would show
up to the office in the morning, Chris, and they
would throw one or two stories at you. You know
what I mean, Hey, Rob, write this, here's a press
release that came in. Write, you know, write a story,
or there's a press conference at the Waldolph a story
of Rob go down and whatever. And I remember it
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was USA Today was announcing the All Star ballot and
they had former great players and Willie Mays was like
one of the ambassadors for the voting Chris for the
Baseball All Star Game. And that was my first time
in going down and meeting this iconic figure Willie Mays.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
And I went down and Chris.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
What I was looking for from Willie Mays was the
big hot story at that time, and this is like
nineteen eighty six, was the lack of black managers. And
I remember, you know, being a little nervous go on
up there here, I am asking Willie May's a question
and whatnot. But that was my That was my And
then I you know, saw him a few other times
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after that. But the first time I ever met him
was nineteen eighty six. I was twenty two years old.
Speaker 11 (17:14):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Wow, Now he I mean, like you said, he was
a legend, living legend during their.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Time when you and I were growing up.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
And as you said, I mean, it wasn't you know,
that wasn't I mean, that was of course forty years
roughly when you started covering the league.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
But I mean as kids.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
It was thirty someidd years after you know, the color
barrier was broken. But black athletes back then were even bigger.
Rob just I mean they're big, huge now, but you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Like you said, no, back then, I agree, Chris, one
hundred percent. You're one hundred percent right because there weren't
a lot of other CEOs and all kinds of other
people's entertainers and athletes weren't politicians. No, it was entertainment,
entertainers and athletes. We've got a couple more people want
to jump in, but you're right about that.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Like where there's where they stood out in the black.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Community, was huge, had a big shadow, Sean in Oregon.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
You're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's
up Sean?
Speaker 7 (18:20):
Hey, Baseball worlds in mourning right now?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Brother, No doubt Dodgers hat where Dodgers hat with embroidered
forty two.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
But most of America recognized.
Speaker 10 (18:30):
Willie Mays as being to say, hey, kid.
Speaker 7 (18:32):
The best of all time.
Speaker 10 (18:33):
There's two people we look up to all my life.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
It was Babe Ruth and Willie Mays.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
No, No, it's it's he was on that level.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Yes, big time.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
He was one of the few people that we show with.
Babe Ruth.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, appreciate it, thank you. How about Dan in San Diego.
You're on the EYD couple of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
What's up Dan?
Speaker 8 (18:54):
Hey, gentlemen, And this one tears me apart. I was
four years old and my dad was in then eighty
and we were stationed in Brooklyn. The first game, he
took me to the Polo.
Speaker 9 (19:05):
Grounds and I remember that's was exposed to lys and
we came to San Diego and I used to go
to La and Muss and all the time. To me,
Willy Days was the greatest all around player in the
Hills baseball. And if he would have not played at
candles Park, he would have hit eighty.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, Candlestick Chris won the great park, you know, thanks, Thanks,
would have called Dan because of the swirling winds and whatnot.
It wasn't a great hitters park Candlestick Park, right right,
So that did and he's doing a six hundred and
sixty home runs.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
I mean you can definitely think, I mean, who knows
how he would have hit if he wasn't playing a Candlestick.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, that was That wasn't a great hitters part TJ
in Nashville. You're in the couple of Fox Sports Radio.
What's up, TJ?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
What's up?
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Bro? Hey, I remember you in Detroit back in the
early nineties. You run the local radio station. He's just
right racist.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I did. That was back when I was with Stony.
That's all back of the old day.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
I want to tell you. I'm glad I found the station.
It took me a while trying to get through. I
remember you. I remember seeing you on TV. Dude, you're
my Willie May. He's a sports dot man.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Wow, thank you to.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Fifty nine years old. I didn't really see him play,
but seeing all of his plays. You're by Willie May's
sports my man.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
I appreciate you, thank.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
You, but I remember you from Detroit and I love you, bro.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Thank you, my man. Thanks TJ.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Thanks for the support of the odd couple here Fox Sports.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Radio and uh man.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Now it's t all right eight seven seven ninety nine
on Fox.
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Speaker 3 (21:21):
Tom Brady, he's done. Aaron Rodgers did not have a
Pro Bowl season. Trying to kiss me.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
It's trolling or rolling.
Speaker 12 (21:33):
That's right. It is trolling and rolling.
Speaker 13 (21:34):
Here in the Akaba Fox Sports Radio Martin Wiss having
some travel issues on his way to Birmingham, so I'm
stepping in.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Yeah, he's down here to Chris coming down to cover. Yes,
he's actually Melby Bro. No, actually, I.
Speaker 12 (21:46):
Haven't got that kind of money there for Melby Bro.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
He coming on his own.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
No, No, for Ebony, he's riding for Ebony.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Wow, that's good.
Speaker 12 (21:54):
No, okay, all right.
Speaker 13 (21:56):
So in any event, it is trolling and rolling. If
the guys like the store, they get the roll sound.
They see me they don't like, get the troll sound.
Oh many, And this is gonna be the NBA Finals
edition to get all the stories we couldn't get to
throughout the main show.
Speaker 12 (22:11):
So let's get to it. Story number one.
Speaker 13 (22:13):
According to the stat Mamba, Jalen Brown's twenty point eight
points per game in the Finals was the fourth lowest
by a Finals MVP in the last forty years, just
ahead of Andrea Gridala twenty fifteen, Kawhi and twenty fourteen,
and Tim Duncan in two thousand and five. Now we
all know how you guys feel about that iggy Finals MVP.
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So here's the question trollin. I'm sorry, Jayalen Brown as
the second worst Finals MVP of the last forty years.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I'm trolling it, oh many, Hey, hey, hey, hey, it's
the worst. You said second one?
Speaker 7 (22:57):
Wow?
Speaker 12 (22:57):
Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, let's say it's the second worst. I just cannot
imagine how when you look at all the stats that
Tatum had and then the big game, close out game
and Jayalen Brown shoot seven for twenty three, which on
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any other night would be a disappointing night for anybody,
that he could win the MVP. I think that again,
I think Tatum was robbed. I think people went into
that last game with Jalen Brown on their mind and
they totally ignored that game the same way they gave
Kobe the MVP after Powle Gasol bailed him out in
that game seven.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I'm trolling it.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Oh man.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I don't think he's the worst or the second worst.
I don't think it was a bad choice. I think
it could have went to him or Tatum. I mean
Tatum did not shoot well throughout the early parts and
really the whole series for the most he was eleven
twenty four in the in the second game, but Brown
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was over fifty percent I believe in the first three
games as far as field goal percent is. So I
still think it should have been Tatum, But I have
no issue with Brown, and you, like you said, right,
Igwadala and shout out to Andre because he is a
very good player, was a very good player and played
a good role in that Finals win. But Steph averaged
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twenty six points, six assist, and no other Warrior average
more than sixteen points a game. That was Iguadala at
sixteen Steph letingman points and assist, And so I thought
that was an egregious.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Overlook to not give it to Steph Curry.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I mean Igwadala kind of his claim to fame was
guarding Lebron Oh, who only averaged thirty six, thirteen and
nine in that series.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
So I mean, what he's shut down Lebron or what?
Speaker 4 (24:58):
So yeah, I'm gonnatrol that that Brown is not the
worst or the second worst Finals MVP.
Speaker 13 (25:05):
All right, trolling rolling Akoba Fox Spordrainium story number two.
Before the finals started, Kyrie Irving and Luka Doncis were
being hailed as the best offensive backcourt in NBA history,
with some even calling them a top three backcourt overall. Okay, now,
given what we saw in these finals, particularly from Kyrie
Irving Chris Brussar trolling or rolling that the whole best
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offensive backcourt narrative is officially Da D dead.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Trolling it.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Oh, Many's dead for now, and they.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Will never be the best.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
I mean, unless they're going to just an unrealistic run.
The best is Stephan Klay. They got four championships. They're
arguably the two best shooters ever. I mean, they're the best,
all right, and at least one of them, Clay is
a was a very good defender in this day, better
than Luca or Kyrie will probably ever be. But they
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could if they can go ahead and win a ring,
and you know, we know Kyrie's not going anywhere. If
they can win a ring, then they would be a
top five, maybe top three backcourt of all time.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Because ironically, if you really look it up, there's not.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
A ton of like backcourts where you had two phenomenal
players like I got Isaiah and Dumar's second best. I
got Jerry Wes and Gail Goodrich third best. You know,
Walt Fraser and Earl Monroe are in there. And then
to me like Jenobleie and Parker. I mean, so they
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could become, you know, surpassed some of those guys if
they can win a ring.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
So it's not officially dead, but it's dead for now.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
I'm rolling with it.
Speaker 14 (26:54):
They see me, ding Dong the witch is dead, the
wicked Witch, the wicked Witch. Thing Dong, The Wicked Witch
is dead. And that's what we're talking about right here,
right now. We could go in out crystal balls and
talk about five years from now, three years from now,
all that, but right now, after all the build up
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and all the apologies and all the look at what
they did, and my god.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
And who's gonna stop them? Is dead? No one's talking
about that.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Will could even imagine putting that out there at this point.
That's all I'm saying. It doesn't mean what the future holds,
but today is dead, all right.
Speaker 13 (27:32):
Story number three here on the Eye Couple trolling and
rolling the Boston Celtics of course, early favorites to repeat
next year coding to our friends Lamar Mitchell and bed MGN.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Every team that wins is supposed to so that's.
Speaker 13 (27:44):
Not surprising plus three ten and so then you'd of
course expect that the MAVs, who were the runner up,
would be second. Well, that would be wrong because Dallas
opened up third in the title odds, well behind the
Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
I believe that.
Speaker 13 (27:59):
Okay, there we go, Rob Park, start with you trolling
and rolling that Luka Doncs MAVs should be the favorites
to win the West in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
I'm trolling it.
Speaker 15 (28:11):
Oh many, Hey, I think what you aside from Kyrie
not playing well, Chris, you looked at that roster, they
weren't the Boston had a better roster, like they have
a good team.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
But I think it was more about matchups more so
than just looking at the player for player, And I
look at some of the other teams out West, and
in another scenario or circumstance, could I see them beating
Dallas absolutely like a Denver Denver doesn't lose the first
two games at home. I got them in the NBA Finals.
But anyway, so yeah, I don't think they should be favorites.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Try, I'm trying to think of away. The question was worded,
I don't think they should be favorite. So is that troller?
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Oh man, Hey, yeah, I think Denver should be the favorite.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I mean it is matchups and look, Dallas give them credit.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Ribe they went through the Clippers.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
I know Kawhi was hurt, but you still had Harden
and Paul George. They went through OKC, which was the
number one seed in the West, and of course they
went through Minnesota, which took down the defending champ. So
Minnesota will be right there and right now I'll say Denver,
but I you know, who knows. I may pick Minnesota
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when the season starts, but I don't think Dallas. I know,
with those two teams, Dallas and Denver, I think Denver's
better and so I would pick them to be ahead
of Dallas for sure.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Rob g you got a bonus one.
Speaker 13 (29:49):
Yeah, we had some time. I'll do one last bonus
edition for you guys, because I like you.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
So.
Speaker 13 (29:53):
The Boston Celtics won their eighteen the NBA Championship last night,
putting them now one up over My Lakers for the
most by a franchise in ANBA history. But sixteen of
those Celtics rings came before the nineteen eighties, and five
of the Lakers rings came when they played in Minneapolis.
Speaker 12 (30:09):
Chris Brussar Troe.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Not sixteen of them for the eighties, Oh.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
The eighties, yes, not nineteen eightieses, Okay, right, yes, trolling
or rolling that this ring number eighteen cements the Boston
Celtics as the best franchise in NBA history.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Oh, I'm trolling that.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Oh man, hey, hey, hey, the Lakers are the best franchise.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I mean, you go back and you.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Have George Mikeen in the Minneapolis Lakers. I think they
won five and so they got some history, right if
you go way back to the beginnings of the league
and then I mean they've been the eighties, they won
championships five of them. Then they won the nineties, they
didn't win, but they you know, they were a pretty
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good team. And then the two thousands, of course they
three peted. They've only been the Celtics, you know, after
Bill Russell, there've only been three three peats, two for
Jordan and one for shocking Kobe. And then of course
Kobe wins two more with Powle Gasol and then Lebron
wins one.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
So they've been far better.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
I mean, if you said through the eighties, so go
from the eighties forward and you got a three peat,
another repeat and then another single one, you got six
since nineteen ninety and Boston has what two? So yeah,
the Lakers are the better franch and most of the
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best players in ever played for the Lakers. They've had
more great players than any other franchise.
Speaker 15 (31:42):
Yeah, I'm trolling it as well, oh many.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
And I'm not Chris.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
I'm not knocking them for playing and winning when they did.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
But we've talked about it before.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
There were like four teams that won every championship during
that time because there was no free agency. Once you
had a good team, and there weren't that many teams around.
There were eight or ten players, you know what I mean,
eight or ten teams, I should say in the league.
So if you had a good team, you had a
good team for a long time. Nobody went anywhere you
were good, right, And that's when the Celtics were really
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really good. It was during that more so than when
there was more parody and talent was spread around. So
I'm with you, I know know, Rob G's very happy
because he wants his Lakers.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
I did that on Spike answered, I know the answer,
But what's your reasoning?
Speaker 3 (32:32):
What we said?
Speaker 13 (32:33):
Uh yeah, because we have a consistency of winning over
that several decades.
Speaker 12 (32:37):
Right, just a lot in a short period of time.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
All right, what it was?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
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Speaker 7 (32:58):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
I think Joe was did a fantastic job this year
with this team.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I think he deserves a lot of credit for this championship.
Speaker 12 (33:06):
Your thoughts, I do?
Speaker 5 (33:08):
I agree?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I mean I know a lot of people, Chris, you
know Missoula.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Is he good enough? Is he up for the task?
Blah blah blah blah blah, Udoka.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
You know, like the Celtics lost a lot by having
to fire him, you know, over the whole uh uh,
work misconduct? Is that correct? Can I say that work misconduct?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Chris?
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Yeah, I'm trying to be right, PCG Yeah, PG, there
you go.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But you gotta give him credit, Chris, because because they
got it done.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
They got it done.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I don't think anybody thought that Missoula was an upgrade
from Udoka, not anybody.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
He was not even on the first pat a.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Really good coach people year yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Right, and Missoula was on the second bench because he
wasn't even on the main bench, right, And they plucked
him from there, plucked put him in, and he got
it done. He won a championship. You could do whatever
you want. You can't take that from him. God, he
can't take that from him.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
I do think he deserves credit, as you said, and
he did do some things differently. Now, I'm sure Brad Stevens,
you know, who leads basketball operations, and maybe some other
people in the building had something to do with this.
But under Udoka, a defense was their focus and they
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were obviously you had two great offensive players in Tatum
and Brown, but they were ninth in the league robing
three point attempts, which isn't bad, but that's what they
were the first year, which was just last year under Missoula.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Rob, they went to second in three point attempts.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
This year they were first in three point attempts in
both the regular season and the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
That is a clear coaching shift. All right, that's Missoula.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
When you look at some of their players and people
talk about, oh, the great roster. Yeah, but Al Horford,
who ended up starting a center for him during the playoffs,
is thirty and at the end of his prime. I
mean been at the end of his prime for years now.
Chris stapsforzingis even very good player. But rob could never
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stay healthy and obviously has some injury issues this year too.
But also it didn't fit in Dallas, where it looks
seemed like he'd be a great fit with Luca.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Ended up kind of being a journeyman. This was his
fourth team. He's not even thirty, and.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Then you got two of your key players off the
bench are an undrafted Sam Houser and Peyton Pritchard, a
six foot.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Three point shooter. So I'm saying, like, my point is this,
he has gotten more out of these guys then other
coaches did.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I mean, right, we talk about the great roster, but
again the seventh and eighth man were.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Peyton Pritchard and Sam Houser.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
You know what I'm saying, right, right?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
No, I mean back in the day they had Robert Williams,
the third Grand Williams.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
You know what I mean, they had a little more depth.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
I think, I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I do not disagree with you, and you gotta if
you can look at stuff, Chris, that that's tangible and
give them credit, you know, for making some adjustments, using
some people, maybe not having as much telling as some
of the other coaches. And even in Brad Stevens, you
can give Brad Stevens all the credit.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
He had some really good players as well. They didn't win.
They didn't win, Chris, right, they did not win. That's why.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
That's why not the coach anymore. It's not because he
was so great, right, I mean I think he yeah,
he ricked. I mean give him credit for recognizing Rob
he kind of.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Stepped aside and went up into the into the front office.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
And yeah, he didn't get it done as a coach.
So Missoula deserves a lot of credit. He may never
win again, Chris, who knows, but he got it done.
I do think he's really good. He's young, he's only
thirty four, thirty five.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
You know, I kind of like him now, you know,
I've had him on my hot seat.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
He's off that. He's off the hot seat now.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
But no, I think he's a good coach, and you know,
he's got a different demeanor, you know, a little bit
of Bellichhack.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Maybe you know he's talk says.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
More, but you know, just doesn't really play around with
the media for the most part. But hey, congratulations Joe Missoula,
Jason Tatum, Jaylen Brown and all the Celtics and all
Celtics nations.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
We out persh
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