How 'Bout Them Cowboys..?

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receiver with the Dallas Cowboys. I was a huge Steelers
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their arch rivals. But I did always like Drew Pearson.
He was a great ever, so we have a lot
of great things to talk about, great topics. And uh,
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I was introducing the crew last week and it was
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one of those kind of guys. I think he misremembers.
That's why, you know, big time. Everybody's like, oh yeah,
and uh and and who are you on the other
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let's welcome in. See, that's why we all went out
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video guy, social media guy. He's doing all of that.
We don't have any interns because what school is out
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the different names that we are not weird. I shouldn't
say weird, different different names. So let's get to it, man. Uh,
speaking of different, it was a lot different a few
weeks ago when we all were burying the Dallas Cow
and what good reason? It was that bad? The team
was that bad. Things didn't look good. But you know what, Chris,
they've turned to the run. They're not bad. That they're

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not that bad anymore. I'll tell you that. And and
I said last week that I was a believer. I
think they are going to be a legitimate problem in
the inn that they're gonna win a playoff game. Is
that what you're saying, something's guaranteed. One thing we see
with all these teams, I haven't seen anybody that's unbeatable. No,

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you know, so I'm not gonna see here and guarantee
that they're gonna win a playoff game. But I think
they've got I think they're assuming they've finished off the
season the way they've been playing, like maybe winning two
of their last three, I think that they'll have as
just about as good a chance as anybody in the NFC.

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I mean, that's how much I think they've improved. I
have not seen a receiver make the type of impact
on a team that Amari Cooper has made. I really
trace the entire turnaround to him. And I'm not saying
it's only him, but he has opened things up so much.

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Ezekiel Elliott's running game has been better since Cooper got there. Obviously,
Dak Prescott has been much better since he got there.
The other receivers, with all the attention off of them,
have been better. In Cooper as the main guy has
been tremendous. I wonder what in the world was going
on in the last two years in Oakland. You know,

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I put a lot of that on John Gruten at
least this year, well at least this year, and he
gave up. Look at look at the two players, the
big stars from Oakland, who are both having great season,
not only individual seasons, they are catapulting two teams. That's
what I'm saying. Imagine those two guys are supposed to
be on the Raiders and no one's gonna. I don't
want to hear about the Raiders beating the Steelers yesterday.

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I don't care about that John Guden what he said
that they get that they have super cuts championship caliber.
They showed themselves as championship caliber because they won yesterday
and be Pittsburgh. What is that? Please? What is that?
Stop it with that horrible? Those are the same players
you were saying that that cost Reggie McKenzie's drib Yeah,
which is their championship caliber. You traded away two of

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his I mean, his two best drafts and you throw
in Derek Carr obviously, but those are and the GM
gets fired and those two guys are what they doing
falling out? Both of them are falling out. It's ridiculous.
But we knew it. We didn't. We mentioned this weeks
ago that it's just a matter of time. He knew
it was coming. But yes, the Cowboys have turned the corner.
And it was a huge game because had the Eagles won,

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they would have had the same record. It's it's it's
a it's a huge game. Yes, the game was in Dallas.
There's no guarantee you're gonna win, but they pulled it
out in overtime. They get the big W twenty nine,
twenty three, and um, you're right. It was a couple
of weeks ago. People would were down on them. Even
Troy Aikman, their former quarterback who won three Super Bowls.

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Really he buried them through five weeks ago and said, dude,
it's got to be blown up. Started that's how bad
it won. No, and I have to admit because I agree,
we both agree with him. No, And and that's the
reason why I'm gonna tell you this. I get the
winning streak, I get where they are. What are they now?
Eight and five? Eight and five? The games over and
they've won five in a row? Correct? H but I

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just the team that I saw from the beginning to
this team, I still don't trust it. And I know
it's not fair. They got a five game winning streak
and this good five games. I'm just saying they're beating
good teams. They have, but I'm still but I'm still
I'm not there to believe just not. Why why not? Though?
Why not? Because the defense is stellar. The defense has

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been the real part that's held it together because the
score is a way down, you know what I mean.
But I'm saying, like if you look at some of
the other games in New Orleans games, yeah right, I
mean that is the offense didn't score in the second half,
and that game that they won us what I'm talking about.
But then the fourth Yeah, that game and that game
they're scoring the second half and you win a game.

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I mean, but does that happen? Since Amari Cooper has
been there, Dak Prescott has gone from averaging check this
out two hundred and two yards per game before Amari
since Amari two hundred and eighty five yards. Again. Now,
we have talked with Rod Woodson other NFL people, and
we've both felt like this guy at his best, and

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I do think he's a winner, and I think he's
a playmaking manager. That's what I call him, a manager
who can make big plays with his feet. I never
thought he could throw for on average about two hundred
and eighty yards game. Now, again that's only a six
game stretch, right, but I thought, at best he's two
forty two fifty maybe two fifty. So you know what

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you know, And he's been on fire. He had his
moments of his bad moments yesterday. Oh yeah, there were
some moments where you said, ah, he looked back, but
in the clutch, oh hed, in the fourth quarter and
overtime he was great. But here's the thing that you
you look at, and this is where when you have
a guy like that who's had a lot of bad

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moments as well, and people were like, I don't know
what to really make of him. Don't forget one of
his biggest supporters we talked about the other last week,
Skip Bayless, Remember after that game wenting through. I haven't
heard Skip mentioning that lately, But you don't. He thro
his uh, his jersey and garbage at his house and
now he's back on it. He's back, man. I know

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he probably was has he done that mea copa. I
haven't seen it if he's if he's apologized for that
or I don't know, I haven't seen it. But but yeah,
he he he was the biggest Dak Prescott. Yeah. Yeah.
And and that's when when Troy Yankee Man and Skip
Bayless they all jumped off because it was that bad.
And then you start to wonder, is that what's gonna happen.

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It's like they'll come to this big game that they
really need and then he done better. No, no no, no,
but I mean he needed every single game at once.
They get there, and then they'll say, see, I told
you he can't get there. I'm just saying that's what
Dak who I mean, I'm not saying it's fair, Chris
what I'm saying, that's what's Unless he wins, they're gonna

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come back to him say he has a poor I'm
just hypothetical. He plays well, they win the division, whatever,
and then they losing the playoff game to a better quarterback,
say he can't. He can't. He can't win you the
game by himself. When they take away to win a game,
Oh he can't. I mean, I'm not sitting here saying
he can win a game for you, but consistently that

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That's the part that I think I'm still holding out
against is I guess I have to really like watch
the season through and then have him. I want to
see him win a playoff game. If he goes out
wins a playoff game, then I'm gonna change my mind
on him. Until then, I'm gonna hold that's if he
wins a playoff game, I will, I will if usually
you're like championship or no, no, no, he wins a playoff.

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If he wins a playoff game, if Dallas can win
a playoff game with with Dak Prescott, then I'm gonna
take a look at him and think of him differently
than if it's just a regular type that needs a
lot of talent around him. Can I give you the
other guy? The same thing on why I never gave
in on Matt Stafford is that he hasn't won. It's
been ten years with Matt, He's never won your playoff game.

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Does you have Hall of Fame numbers? Yes? I hate
to even say, I'm just about that. Just no baff
boggles my mind. Like Matt Stafford and Hall of Fame
in the same and game numbers now, but he's gonna starting.
But he's like the youngest player to ten thousand years.
I mean, it's like he's the youngest to all these
stats if you go look at him. That's what I'm

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saying when I talk about an interesting case study. But
he hasn't won a playoff game and it's been ten years,
and he rarely gets into playoffs. It's been a playff
three times, but it didn't win. But in how many years?
Ten years and ten years? Yeah, I mean, but for
the Lions, that's good, right, Remember the Lions. That's good
three times ten years. It's the eye Couple back in

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tuned into the Odd Couple. It's Chris, Bruce Sard and
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are here talking about the Dallas Cowboys coming off another
big win. That's five straight now, and I think they

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are for real. I think I like their chances in
the playoffs. And I'm not a huge Dallas Cowboys fan,
but I'm excited. I do think it's exciting when the
Cowboys are good and legitimate. And I do think at
the Cowboys now. Now, nobody said it's hurting, but I
do think it's exciting when they're really good. I think
there's because a lot of nothing hurts the NFL. I mean,

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they continue to roll on them. Well, I mean, but
they've had They've had things like last year where Aaron
Rodgers was her numbers were down only because there was
a number of star quarterbacks hurt last year. That's the
only time that you see a dip where people lose
interest in certain teams. But you're right under normal circumstances.
But I say the Cowboys are good from this standpoint

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because there's just as many people don't like them. Oh
do you know what I mean. It's not like a
love fest. It's just like the Yankees or certain of
the NFL, the Lakers or the Celtics of the NFL. Right,
you know, there are a few teams I would say
a national teams. Yeah, I would say the Lakers more

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certainly now they've been but the Celtics to a lesser degree.
But the Lakers are the glamor franchise of the NBA,
the Yankees of Major League Baseball. No, no, and as
much as I hate to say Cowboys, we even though
they've won, won whatever they want, it's hard to say
that right now because for a whole generation they've been mediocre,

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mediocre to bad for an entire generation. They've they've won
two playoff games since ninety four? Is one? Is it two?
Since ninety five? Ninety five? Yeah, something ridiculous. No, they've one.
I think they've won two rob g two playoff games, right,
but they are almost positive. Yeah, they are a you know,

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they are a national team. And so when they're good,
it is it is good. It is too since ninety
five and they won the Super Bowl that you didn't
won two playoffs? Yeah, Yeah, it's been bad. It's been
a mess. Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Foxes our
phone number. Let's go to Richard and West Virginia. Richard, Welcome,
to the eye couple. How you doing. I think I

(15:43):
have to disagree with you there that the Cowboys are
the glamor team of the m NFL. They used to
be years ago, bobbly in the seventies when they had Chuck,
Kylee and all of them. Now I don't think they're
a glamor team. I think, alight, what I've heard others
talk about is uh the huns or the new receiver

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that they have Amari Cooper. Here's the reason they're winning
because they still have the same coach, and they talk
about him being nothing more than a puppet to Jerry Jones,
So we would have to give him all the credit
for that. You know what's crazy? And Richard, if you're
a Cowboys fan and five weeks ago you wanted that

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out of here, and you wanted Garrett out of here.
Now your team starts to win, You're leading in the division,
could win the division, get the playoffs, all this, and
then those stuff guys are still going to get the
stick around. Oh yeah, and if they didn't fire these
I mean, it's it's questions the way whether they would
have fired him if they missed the playoffs, right, But

(16:48):
there was no guarantee, just like we see with Marvin
Lewis and Cincinnati had one of those kind of relationships
that no matter what went on, he just seemed like
he was He's gonna stick around. They're talking about Marvin
Lewis sticking around again this year that look, I know, Chris,
Marvin Lewis should be gone. Marvin Lewis has owned seven
to postseason with with the Bengals, and look, I've all

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I haven't been as hard on Lewis as you and
some others, but time there's a There is something to
be said for consistently making the playoffs. But it's time
because the message you're sending to your locker room and
to your fans is that we're cool with this right,
We're fine with right anywhere. And so that's why you

(17:31):
have to move on from that. Let's go to Adam
in Bakersfield. Adam, you're own with Chris and Robb. How
you doing? Hey? Great, Thanks for taking my call, No problem,
But I just want to weigh in on the Dallas conversation.
I think I think they definitely have what it takes
to go far into the playoffs. They're they're starting to roll.
They got one of the best running backs in the league.

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I tell you what, Adam, I think Ezekiel Elliott. I
think he's the best running back in the league. Now.
Girl is great, Yeah, Girly is great, and that's an argument,
But Ezekiel Elliott, especially running the ball. I mean that, dude, Well,
Girly can do everything now, but Elliot has actually got
more receptions this year, almost twenty more. So they both

(18:14):
are good receivers as well. But but go ahead at them.
But so yeah, anyway, I think the way things are
shaping up right now, probably the scariest team is the Bears.
But you know, they beat New Orleans. They could go
in there and beat them at their house. The Rams,
to me, are the scariest team for Dallas, just because
at LA that team can be electric. We saw that

(18:35):
against Kansas City. Yeah, but you know what, Adam, last
year at home, they didn't they they they And I
know it was a froach shield with a lot of
young guys. It didn't work out at home, you know
what I mean. They've had a lot of tough games too.
They've had a lot of close wins. Yeah, who do
you have more faith? And you mentioned the Bears. I

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gotta be honest. I'm not saying either one of them
Aaron Rodgers, but I have more faith in Dak than
I do Trubinsky. Trubinsky, right, yeah, yeah, No, I think
I think you just compare, compare those two. I think
I think Trabinsky's probably up and coming, maybe could be better.
But I think could they Dack the better quarterback? Um?

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And like I said, I think they go into Chicago,
they could win there because their running game is enough
to get by with that defense. They got Cooper, they
got they got enough pieces where Dak's playing good enough
to get through there. And like I said, I think
the Ram, the Rams is kind of the scariest place
for Dallas right now. But my hope is Dallas making

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to the super Bowl and plays my Dolphins. Oh all right,
we were fine until you brought up the Dolphins. All right,
Satin Sat Sacramento in the Sacramento couple. What's going on? Buck?
First of all, I want to say, I appreciate you guys.
I respect everything you guys too, And I'm calling back.

(20:02):
I called two weeks ago and I said, if the
Cowboys three Saints, you have to take them serious. And
he was winning after that Eagles winning last night. I'm
I'm I'm sold. Um, So what does it mean? Yeah,
that's a good question, Chris. Mean, I feel like the

(20:23):
super Bowl is not too far and it's it's actually realistic.
The old sting is defense wins championships, and the way
that defense has been playing. I'm I'm a believer that
you know, Dak is playing a whole lot better with
a Maury Cooper. I would take Dak on a bad
day over Romo on a bad day. I lived through

(20:45):
the Romo era, and I had a lot of sweaty
days on that Romo era, sad night. I mean, let's
be honest, you've also seen a lot of bad back
Dak days as well. Romo was capable of winning you
some games, more dynamic, his ceiling was higher, let's put
it that way. I don't think he had the intangibles

(21:05):
to the degree that Dak does right right right, But
see he won't lose the game. You know his mistakes
come early, right that fourth quarter, he's coming through. I
mean he's I lived through Quy Carter through and then yeah,
he's far and away better than those guys, all right,
So you're not saying they're the favorite in the NFC.

(21:26):
But you're saying, that's what I'm saying, they really have
a legitimate chance, telling you to get to the supero
cowboy Frians appreciate the call. They really got something because
they wanted those guys out and now all of a
sudden they win. Those guys are coming back for for
not next year, Chris, They're coming back for a couple
of year. We need to understand that because that's gonna
mean big money, right and a long term contract. All Right?

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The Bears defense is good, but is it good enough
to win with Mitch Trubisky leading the offense? Former Bears
are pro Pett Tillman has the answer X. But first,
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bringing deb Jelly Carson. Since we got the peanut, I

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love Peanut, Gellman, I don't think UD have liked that nickname.
You liked that nickname if how you construed it. I
didn't put the first That's what I was saying. I
don't think you want me and DA is in great shape.
I didn't show you a well, no, that would have

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been a problem. Have notice who came to your defense?
Did you who came to your turtles for you? Than?
Wait a minute, my part is ringing his hr And
by the way, yes, Dallas is the last playoff game
that they should have won that didn't that they didn't win,
of course, was the Debs catch not catch Omar, it

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was a non catch. Who didn't catch your death? Come on,
anybody who saw that who wasn't a Packers fan says
it's a catch anyway. Tonight, of course, we've got a
wrap up of Week fourteen in Seattle, big game for
both teams, Vikings taking on the Seahawks Seattle seven and five.
They're gonna be without Doug Baldwin that tonight. The Seahawks

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receiver has been ruled out officially, he's been dealing with
a hip injury. Didn't practice all week, nor did he
participate in pregame warm ups, so he is out and
the Vikings, of course six five and one. That game
kicks off eight fifteen Eastern. And despite Sundays whenever the Steelers,
the Raiders GM lost his job. Reggie mackenzie is out
as John Gruden continues to clear house there in Oakland I. Meanwhile,

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Chiefs receiver ty Tyreek Hill is considered day to day
with a heel injury after tests revealed no significant injury. Fortunately,
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(24:24):
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You can follow him on Twitter at Peanut Tilman Peanut Tillman.
And he's also representing his foundation the Cornerstone Monday Night
Football Contest, which is something we'll get into a little
bit later with him with his foundation, but it is
Charles Peanut till Men. Charles, how you doing, man? What's up?

(25:09):
How you do as? We can call you? Can we
call you p nut? Definitely? Yeah? And what's what? And
you got that name because your head was shaped like
a peanut when you were a kid. Is that how
you got that? My head, my whole body shape? Really? See,
I knew what had to be like Usually a guy
will have a peanut head and that's how they'll get

(25:30):
that nickname. It was the head, it was a body,
plus I was a little big. Else I was you know,
five pound baby. That was really tight. Okay, okay. P
Nut a combination of the combination of everything. So I've
just learned to to live with it, brace it, and
just live with it. In China, that inner that's I say,

(25:50):
peanut Espanol so very nice. How many how many do
you speak more than one language? More than two languages.
Sound like you speak Spanish. Uh, no, I can. I
can face Spanish real good. Um. I do that with telemarketers.
Like somebody called my phone the other day and I said, ola,
and I got a great old accident. He started speaking

(26:15):
in Spanish and I said, oh, damn, you called my bluff.
I don't know. I'm just gonna have to hang up
on you and b U, Yeah, that's what I did.
I just hung up. They called my bluff. Play all right? Well, Peanut, look,
let's look. You were played the majority of your career
all but one season with Chicago, and there's excitement in

(26:35):
that city about the Bears. Uh. And they're obviously had
the big win yesterday over the La Rams. What are
your thoughts on this team? I mean, are they a
legitimate Super Bowl contender in your opinion? They can be,
They're not there yet. They still got some work to do. Um.
On the offensive side of the ball. I didn't like

(26:56):
what I saw from from Mitch and I know he yeah,
he struggled. Um he you know, he missed those two games.
So I think they'll be okay. But in order for
them to be a playoff super excuse me, a super
Bowl contender, a strong Super Bowl contender. I need them
to step it up a little bit more on the
opposite side of the ball, meaning offense. So so densively,

(27:19):
I think those guys, them guys is rolling. The defense
can't carry them. If Mitch just doesn't make the big turnover,
like if he could manage the game and not give
the ball to the other team. Is this defense not
good enough Peanut to uh to do that or Mitch
has to perform? No, I think Mitch has to perform

(27:39):
and the defense is good enough. Mitch just has to perform.
When we played in the Lovey Smith era, I mean
it's no secret we didn't have the greatest offense. We
had great offensive players, but collectively our offense was kind
of opened down from time to time. Uh. Defensively, I
think we were stout year in and year out. But

(28:00):
he saw that formula. It just didn't work out over time.
The defense just broke down. If we would have had
a little bit more office than what we had, I
think we could have been a lot better than what
we really were. When you look at Khalil mack Um,
I mean you you obviously played with some great linebackers yourself.
I mean, Chicago is known for having great, all time

(28:22):
great linebackers. How do you think Max steps up, you know,
uh stacks up with some of these guys Er Lacquer
and Singletary and and guys like that. Oh, he stacks
up side by side. Woun't I mean? I would? I would.
I would forfeit ten fumbles, maybe even fifteen if he

(28:42):
could have been my teammate when I played. I wish,
wish I could go back in the time machine or
put him in the time machine and go back to
the future and and and play with us. Um he
would have fit in with our defense so well. But
I love what he's doing. But here's the thing. In

(29:03):
the beginning of the season, Khalil Mackel was making all
the plays himself. Now that's not so much the case anymore.
I think this defense is competitive amongst each other, and
now everybody's making plays. You got called fuller, Prince Mcamara,
Hakim Higgs, Travathan, I mean, the whole Andy Jackson, the

(29:24):
whole squad, the entire defense is making plays. And I
think you blame or not really blame. It's it's a
vic fangio. He's doing a really good job of making
this team play good solid defense. It is the eye
couple of Chris Brusa and Rod Parker. We're joined by
former All Pro Corman cornerback Charles Peanutt Tillman now Charles.

(29:48):
When Camille Khalil Mack got off to the great start
with the Bears and everything, people were saying that maybe
he's as good as Lawrence Taylor. And then some people
started to push back, including Bill Belich. Is that like
prisoner of the moment, as good as he is, can
people start comparing him to like a Lawrence Taylor or
that over the top. I think it's over the top.

(30:10):
Now I think I don't know what year this is
is uh for Khalil, but yeah, still give it, give it,
give it time, give it time. I think so many times,
only five years and lt we we we as fans,
we as players, we in the media, we just we
in general. We like to compare a guy to another

(30:32):
player early in his career, and the biggest thing is
the guys that they're comparing to. This person has done
it day in and day out for the majority of
their career. Hence that's why that particular player is in
the Hall of Fame. So maybe him another three or
four years and then if he's able to compete and
stay at that same level, yeah, then you can take

(30:55):
those comparisons. But I think it's still too early for
a lot of players in the league, not just Khalil,
but just I'm talking about just a lot of players
in general. I think we we we we compare too
too soon in this league. Peanut, your last year in
the league twenty fifteen, you were in Carolina and that
was the year. You know, they went fifteen and one
got to the super Bowl, and they've been I mean,

(31:17):
you see what's going on with them now. And I
know some players have changed, but you know, Cam and Reveria,
you know, a lot of the same people are there.
Why do you think this team has been like a
seesaw since making the Super Bowl in twenty fifteen. Well,
I think specifically this year they started out good and lately,

(31:39):
and I agree with Cam, I read a quality set.
They just haven't found ways to win. You know, they
come out real good, and in this league it's about finishing. Man.
You can't have a strong start and then just kind
of level off. It's you got to have that strong finish,
have a fast start and a strong finish and that's

(32:00):
that's that's key. And they start fast, they just kind of,
you know, fizzle out kind of in that fourth quarter.
And that's just kind of the problem that I've seen.
But I have faith in my guy, coach Rivera, and
I think they'll be all right. But they're running out
of time. Yeah, well, I don't think they're making it
this year. They running out of time, so they better

(32:22):
do some one last thing for me. Uh. The Pittsburgh Steelers, well,
this team is baffling. I mean, obviously they lost to
the Raider just to that that's bad enough, but it
looks like they have so much talent. They win some games,
then they look like they're undisciplined, they don't know what
they're doing. Uh, I don't know. Sometimes they don't look
like they're well coached or or whatnot. At other times

(32:44):
they look great. Where are they? Where is this franchise?
Are they really going to compete in the AFC or
are they gonna miss the playoffs the way they're playing? No,
I think they can definitely compete in the AFC. One
of the things about this this league is many Man,
a movie about it's called Any Given Sunday, and you
see it with all thirty two teams one week. You know,

(33:09):
let's take last night, for example, the Bears and the Rams.
The Rams have a great offense, They're scoring thirty plus
points a game. And then you look at Chicago, they've
been kind of up and down, up and down a
little bit on some of the defense. And you look
at how great they played defense last night, and then
you go back a couple of weeks and how they
played in New York. It just wasn't the same. It

(33:31):
wasn't the same defense. But last night, for whatever reason,
I don't know if it was the big lights and
the big stage. The boys they came ready and they
came ready to play. It's the same thing in Pittsburgh.
Some days you have guys when they travel, they forget
to pack their tackling, they forget to pack their discipline,
they forget to pack their focus. And when you forget

(33:52):
to do that, then you get a sloppy game like
yesterday when you saw on the Raiders. Oh I really,
I really think it's just a matter of them honing
in and focusing and getting back to the basics. What
we know, what kind of football team they are with
Coach Tomblin, and I think they're gonna be straight. All right, Peanut,
what we mentioned as you came on the show that

(34:13):
you have your Cornerstone Foundation and you're doing a Cornerstone
Monday Night football contest for next week's game, not tonight.
Can you tell us about that? Yeah, So next Monday
or this Monday, a week from the day, I'm hosting
two players, excuse me, two participants who participate in this riffle.

(34:34):
Once you win, you'll join me in a suite in
Charlotte Monday Night, Charlotte versus the New Orleans Saints. We
will have a great time. I got syline two sideline passes.
Pregame sideline passes will go down. Try to hopefully meet
some of the players, take some pictures, just have a
great time in Charlotte, man, and you can go to

(34:55):
any of my social media platforms at Peanut Tillman to register.
I think are only ten bucks wild keepers at to
go ten bucks, ten bucks for ten bucks for ten bucks.
Because I tell you what, it is a different game
for fans. The two fans that go with you, they're
gonna see a whole different game on the sideline. Even

(35:17):
when players are warming up. You know, you really see
how fast and big and hard hitting the game is
when you're down there on the sidelines, and and and
the adrenaline. You're right there. It's just like you're you're
It's like being in the corner when Mike Tyson was faining.
Man right right you in the fight. You can see

(35:38):
the sweat, you can feel it, like the atmosphere, the
intensity or adrenaline. It's gonna be so much fun. And
I can't wait to take the two people that win.
Like I said, it's ten bucks to get you all that.
Ten bucks get you two tickets, all right, So make
sure you sign up, Peanut Tillman in all types of
social media. All right, Peanut, we appreciate it. Man. Ye

(36:03):
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We're gonna welcome in our next guest. You can follow
him on Twitter at Julian Mac Julian Mac one oh five.
It's Julian Mick Mick Williams who covers the San Francisco
Bay area for the Athletic Julian, how you doing man?
Welcome to the couple. What's going on, guys? How you

(38:15):
doing well? Great? Let me say it's real quick. He's
gonna be the next big thing as baseball reporters. Julia,
I'm serious, dead serious, So remember that name. Julian Micke
definitely does great stuff. He's in Las Vegas for the
meetings major League Baseball and that's when we want you
to update us on. Julian. Now, we just there was
just a report recently, like within the last hour that

(38:38):
the Yankees have pulled out of the Bryce Harper sweet sweepstakes.
What can you tell us about that? And how is
that gonna affect, you know, the the field for Harper. Well,
I think the main thing with that is, you know,
and obviously there are people that that cover the Yankees.
Mark Ry Pruss does an offen job, awesome job too.
But I think what I've seen from from his reports

(38:59):
was the fact that, you know, they just don't want
to sign a guy to those those long term deals, right,
I mean, like you have like after the A Rod
thing happened, where they gotta have that ten years, three
hundred billion dollars deal. I think the Yankees are kind
of like, hey, we're done with this, right, So I
don't think they're in for that, And especially with Harper,
they already have six dout fielders. They have guys that
could depend on, like Judge standing those guys in Harper's great,

(39:21):
but they're not gonna pay him three hundred million dollars
to play first base. I mean, it's just not to fit.
Why not go after the guy like Machado or somebody
else that can help feel the role while D D.
Good Orders is out. So I think that was that
was mainly they're thinking in that, And obviously I think
it you know, Harper is a great talent, but you know,
you gotta you gotta be somewhat um uh financially responsible
when when you think about stuff long term like that.

(39:42):
All right, Julie, what about Machado? Where do you think
he's gonna wind up? What's the buzz out there in Vegas?
Who's who's the leader out of the clubhouse on him?
Is it? Look? The Yankees said that they don't feel
like they want to pay a guy three hundred billion
dollars and not gonna pay him that three hundred and
fifty million dollars deal. Right, So they're not to get
that ten years, three hundred fifty million dollars deal. But
so hopefully if he wants to be a Yankee so bad,

(40:05):
they want to be somewhere in the fiddle. So I
would say somewhere in the two fifty to two seventy
five range, which I would that's just my guests. I
haven't heard things like that. That's just my guest. But
they do not want that tenth year. That tenth year
you saw what a rod he saw With guys like that,
it's not a good deal. So, but you know, he
wants to be a Yankee. You know, he's a guy
that's grew up a Yankee fan. Um, you know he's
from Miami, he's Dominican. There's a there's a large Dominican

(40:27):
populace that Um, so you think he'll take less because
it doesn't sound like he's getting at least three hundred. No,
I don't think. I don't think he'll I'm not I'm
not sure if he'll take less. I know the Phillies
are ready to throw the bag and him or hard,
so it'll be it'll be interesting to see how that goes. Obviously, Um,
you know it's it's still really really early. But Cashmine

(40:49):
didn't tell reporters that, you know, he's been in contact
with Machado before in his Asian before spring training. So
we'll see how that goes, all right, Julian, great stuff, man.
We appreciate it and keep us plugged in on what's
going on out there in Vegas. Absolutely appreciate us. Julie
McWilliams from the Athletic I'm sorry. If Harper gets four
hundred million, more power to him, but it's not gonna

(41:12):
it's not gonna be worth it. Nah. But if you're
the Phillies and you have a good young team and
you got a low pay roll because you got a
lot of young kids. You can fork over that loop.
Look at how much difference you are. Just say, is
he gonna lead him the championships problem? No? All right,
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(41:33):
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(41:55):
before we get to Rod Woodson, Rob, I'm gonna bring
something up, And uh, I don't know how you feel
about it, but both you and I have felt that
Drew Brees is the MVP this season. But after these
last few weeks, and I thought Patrick Mahomes was second.

(42:17):
After these last few weeks, I'm changing my mind. And
you can do that until the end of the seat.
So you're a flip flop. No, I'm not a flip
flop flip. I'm objective. I don't. I don't. I don't
jump on one guy's jock and ride it the whole
rest of the Are you talking about you trying to
say that's what I do. I'm just saying that, John,
I do I know saying that's not what I do?

(42:39):
All right, all right, Rogers fans might just call it.
I call it like I see you. You've been on
with Lebron for what and that's your favorite stat that
I gave you every chance I get usual, But look, Rob,

(43:02):
here's my deal. Patrick Mahomes. Now again, they got three
weeks left, three games left for each team, so maybe
it'll change, But right now, Patrick Mahomes is the MVP.
He has just been more dynamic and these last few games,
Drew Brees has been awfully pedestriana. This last game yesterday

(43:25):
they beat Tampa Bay, but he throws for two hundred
and one yards, one touchdown, one interception against Dallas held
one hundred and twenty seven yards passing one touchdown, one interception.
Drew Brees actually has seven games, seven of their thirteen
games this season, he has failed to throw for two

(43:47):
hundred and fifty yards. You know how many games Pat
Mahomes has under two hundred yards and somewhat though that's
a big stat he has one game under two hundred
and fifty yards. In that one he threw for two
forty nine a you're gonna tell me that, You're gonna
tell me, do you want me bring up touchdowns? Yeah?
Bring up yesing up touchdown and three to thirty one,

(44:10):
bring up interception left. Sometimes you make mistakes. Magic Johnson
and Isaiah Times are among the all time leaders. You mean,
it happens when you make stuff happen. So you're telling
me that Drew Brees and and Rob give me the
exact number. He was on pace to set the all
time completion record in the history of the NFL. He's

(44:31):
completing seventy six percent of his passes. So you're telling
me that a guy's gonna set the record all time
for completion race and he also has a higher quarterback rating.
Then you're Patrick Mahomes with his forty three touchdowns. So Chris,
you're gonna tell me that a guy who sets the
all time record in the NFL, he'll be breaking his
own record that he has. But he's gonna break it,

(44:52):
And you're gonna tell me that he's not gonna win
the MVP with only four interceptions all year. You're crazy.
I'm not gonna tell you, boy the way because the writers,
they may give him the sympathy vote. Let's give the
old Let's give the old timer. He's at and he
has had a great year. This achievement award. I know

(45:12):
that's why I should be Patrick Mahomes, But a lot
of writers do that. Car Malone won it the moment.
It's just like prisoner of the moment. This dude has
thrown for two hundred and fifty yards at least every
single game. You remember the game he had five turnovers
against the Rams in a big game. Yeah, you know
what else? I remember? Remember that six touchdowns too, and

(45:34):
I remember five the five turnovers. He had more turnovers
than the bakery that. Now you act like, first of all,
that's corny. Secondly, you act like turnover. I mean, okay,
the great ones that make stuff happen, they're gonna turn
the ball over, not you. That joke was corny. That
joke was corny. And you're a little corny too. Yeah,

(45:54):
yeah you are. No. But look, Drew Brees, you're gonna
defend what he did against Dallas Chris, you're gonna defend
what he did yesterday against Tampa. They went before. You
should tell they're both okay, they're both eleven and two,
so what so what? So I'm just hey, rob G,
I need one other thing. Can you give me fumbles?

(46:15):
Because uh uh Patrick much that? No, because he has
eleven interception and he's nailed a Fumblelina, because he's fumbled
a number of times as well, so he's got more
than that. So don't give me this. And it's completion
ratio is sixty seven percent, and you want to throw
out Drew Brees is complete eight fumbles and eleven interceptions.

(46:37):
That's almost twenty turnovers right there. You that ain't no MVP.
Really no, really, you don't throw out the seventy six
percent completion Why because nowadays, heck, almost everybody's completing seventy percent.
They tossing them to the running backs and the passes
and the flats, all these little denk passes. It's a

(46:58):
lot easier to complete asses nowaday still sixty seven percent,
that's still very good. I'm just saying to look again,
and I don't want this. I'm not against Drew Brees.
He's having a great he's having you nitpick when you're
talking about the greats, and I'm nippicking that. He has

(47:19):
been pedestrian in far too many games, and Patrick Mahomes
has not. Patrick Mahomes has been dynamic every time out.
Four touchdowns, six touchdowns. Four again, he's had two games
with six touchdowns, and he's got about almost ten with
at least four touchdowns. I mean, this guy gets it done.

(47:41):
They took away his best running back, or you know,
I'm not they should have, but I'm saying he lost
his best running back, Kareem Hunt, and he's still getting
it done. This boy is bad, not bad meaning bad.
DJ Tisher should have hit me with that run DMC
drop not bad meaning bad, but bad me good work
on that. I got you. I just think I guess

(48:04):
you're reading that magazine. There you go, there you go?
You got it? Are you happy? I'm happy? Now? I
just I just think you're I get it. He's a
fresh face. He came out of nowhere a second year.
I get it. You get going to get sixty that

(48:27):
we bet hold on, no, we have bet now. I
just want to confirm this with you. Now you come,
I want to confirm it on national radio. We are
betting next year, if he's healthy for at least fifteen games,
right that, Patrick, I'm betting that he throws at least
forty touchdowns. You're betting he doesn't get to forty. And

(48:47):
we're betting a pair of Jordan's this time. What we did,
We talked about that last week. Can't remember that. Rob
g remembers it all right. D J. Tischer remembers pair Jordans.
I did not even need any new ones either, like
some know what some vintage George? You know that, some threes,
some four. You only got me levin something yeah, something dope.

(49:10):
But the only way I want you, if you know
when I went to bed, I want you to take
that out of your out of the church plate for
your dollars sometime. Hey, it's gonna come out of the
play pot that the money for the church plate goes
in when the churches still get his money, that's still

(49:31):
get their money. I want to let you get your George.
I want you to drop it in and then take
it out. And why you try to get a brother
in Trump and they're gonna buy shower trying to get
a brother in trouble? Na but that's we got that bad, right,
we got y'all all witnesses, Brad be all that. Every
next year, who I like thirty two touchdown the crystical, Well,

(49:51):
what you expectus his second year? You know how things happen.
They got a better defense, they got tape on them.
This ship. Watch that dude is bad. He's the truth.
He's the truth. So go ahead and make continue making
your argue. No, I'm just saying. No, I'm just all
I'm gonna say it though. Honestly though, all I'm saying
is all kid in the side. You don't think it's
come on, No, I don't. I told you that he

(50:12):
lost it that day he had to five that's one game.
But what about the day then Drew brees through from
one hundred and twenty seven yards. That's the day loss.
I'm telling you those five turnovers because Chris, we went
over the list of MVPs and not only one had
one double digits and interception. I'm telling you he's not
gonna get an MVP with eleven he could now get

(50:33):
if Drew. Now, don't give it to this point. Now
we'll see what happens in the next three games. But
if things stay as they are at this point, writers
might give it to Breathe again simply he has he Ever,
he's never won MVP, right, he's never been MVP. He
isn't all time great. They're gonna be like, look, man,
you gotta give him one. This guy deserves what we

(50:55):
see it happen in every sport. If if Mahomes, it
should be Pat Mahomes goes three or four two interception, say,
yet finishes with fifteen over the last You think you'll
get MVP with fifteen, Like I'm telling you, he probably
won't get it because of the sympathy vote. But the
real MVP is not Kevin Durant's mom. It's Patrick Mahomes.

(51:17):
He is the real MVP. This guy's gonna throw for
well over fifty touchdowns. You guaranteeing he's gonna get seven
touchdowns in the last three games. Yes, okay, that's what
he does. That's what he does, no question about. I'm
not convinced. There's a lot of other things here, especially
when we talk about the completion ratio, the quarterback rating.

(51:39):
There's a lot of things here that that Drew Brees
leads in, but far more over games far more mediocre
games than Patrick Mahomes has had. He just simply has
in terms of yard dig At least I would love
to hear what Brees has been great in terms of

(51:59):
yard artists. Who would you vote for if you had Well,
we're gonna throw it out eight seven seven ninety nine
on fix. But I don't think it should be. Uh.
One thing I am against is uh, what do you
call that lifetime achievement awards? That's not what it's supposed
to be. So that I agree, I agree with you
on that. I've never I've never been on that because
here's the problem I had last year with WinCE in

(52:21):
a lifetime he had more touchdowns and less interceptions than
Tom Brady, but missed the last two and a half
games with the injury, and Brady still won the MVP,
which he should have. Why because he part description is
being there. Yeah, but he had more touchdowns and that's
the same. But you weren't there, brother, You weren't there
for three games two and a half. I knew you

(52:42):
threw that two and a half because you played the
first half. Part of the job description is being there.
Even your boy you brought in Bradby knows I'm right
from Detroit, knowing see you brought a castle from Detroit.
Who you with? Thank you? Thank you dude, you came.
You know, next time call him Urn on me eight

(53:05):
seven seven nine eight seven seven nine nine six six
the guy on me, Hey, I'm speaking. There you go.
Rob always getting in his feelings. Huh uh uh uh
uh uh crazy Chris. All right, let's say we got

(53:28):
time for maybe one call before the break. Jacob in Vegas, Jacob,
Welcome to the Eye Couple. Who are you going with
on the MVP? Hey, guys, Usually I think Rob says
the philliest stuff, but I think it's Drew Brees. You
gotta remember my homes played two elite teams and couldn't
be either of them. In the Patriots and the Rams.
He hasn't beat anybody, Thank you. Hello, didn't he just

(53:48):
be Baltimore? Baltimore? But wait a minute, don't forget that
at the end of that game he fumbled the ball
and got super lucky to fall on it. He dragged
that game away and got lucky. Thank you. When the
school they eat Pittsburgh six touchdowns and no interceptions, they
beat the they beat the Chargers. He had four touchdowns,

(54:08):
no interceptions. I think you. I think you texted Jacob.
I didn't because he got the same logic as you.
He's right, he was wrong. I just brought up the charges,
the Steelers, the Ravens. All right, one more Mitchell and Missouri.
Who you got. I'm not texting anybody. Welcome to the

(54:29):
Eye Couple. Mitchell, Oh my god, I can't believe him
on your show. I love you guys, the show. How's
it going? God? Thank you, buddy, appreciate it all right?
This is awesome right now? So um, yeah, No, I
was calling because Chris, you could not be more correct. Um,
I mean, honestly, I can't. I can't believe. Like, the
comparison is just two totally different things. You talk about
Drew Brees and what he has around him, the coaching,

(54:52):
the development that he's had compared to a first his
first year. No, he's a second year player. Well he
only played what three games? He played? Go ahead, Mitchell
and Mitchell? Are you making sense? Mitchell must work at
the at the rip shack somewhere in Kansas City, right,
what do you want? No, I'm bomb in Springfield. I'm

(55:14):
actually three hours from Casey um, but no, no he is.
I know, all right, good job mitche All right, it's
Patrick Mahomes a lot to win MVP. Another famous Rod
Woodson has the answer. Next, who was that guy who
just talked to what was his mitt? Mitchell? Yeah, I'll
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(56:20):
Rod Woodson twenty six and he's a real one. He's
a real one. He's a real one. Mister Woodson, Welcome
to the odd couple. How you doing today? What's up, fellas,
what's going on with you? We're great, great, We're great.
Another good weekend of football. Hey, we just had a
hot debate argument about m VP. I want you to
charme and real quick on this. I'm taking Drew Brees,

(56:43):
and of course Chris, with the flavor of the moment,
is taking my Homes. I think these last few games,
Breeze has been pedestrian and my homes All right, where
are you at? Rob? Where are you out? On these two?
I agree we're Drew Brees has struggled the last couple

(57:04):
of games, and if you're gonna be the MVP, you
gotta show out every single week. I think my Homes
in his first year of starting, has played really good football.
And just think about it. He did it against the
best defense in the National Football League. It's a good thing.
Your vote don't count, ye, because I'm not trying to
hear that. You know we got to y'all played out.

(57:29):
Y'all have played out? Rod? You know right right right
is right? Wrong as right? All right? Hey, I'm just
telling you what eleven interceptions my home's gonna have fifteen?
And Rod, I want you to remember this conversation we
have when he doesn't get it, is gonna sympathy. Vote
stop the sympath I've been saying, I've been saying this

(57:49):
whole year that Aaron Donald should be in the argument
just for the fact that we see every year thirty
something forty touchdown somebody else. Next year is gonna have
forty touch on. Some quarterback is always going to have
a good year, right, But it's very rare that you're
gonna see what er Donald was done from the defensive
tackle position year and new year old. You just don't
see it that he should. He should, he should at

(58:11):
least be in consideration and get some votes. And you know,
you may you brought up defense. I mean, we've saw
seeing Dallas shut down New Orleans, Baltimore. You know they
did a good job. I mean, hell Kansas City the
twenty seven points in the loss. Do you think defenses
are kind of I don't know if catching up is
the right word, but starting to figure out some of

(58:33):
these offenses. I didn't even mention the Rams yesterday against Chicago.
You think you know, we were all talking about all
the points everybody was scoring in defenses were out classed.
Do you think it's starting to balance out. Well, let's
not talk about McVeigh realizing he had Tyd Gurley after
his quarterback car three picks. Right, He's like, you know
what I got talking about about that? Dude? Yeah, what

(58:54):
about that? A different story. That's a different story. Now
answer your question. I think they are. I think they
really never never run away. I think everybody had to
get used to the rule changes, how they're gonna play,
what they're gonna call. You still kind of see that,
But defenses are starting to starting to figure out that
you gotta tack one space. At the end of the day.

(59:17):
Football really hasn't changed. I mean, you know, I played
against the run and shoot and the K gun, so
really every team plays like that today, not just two
teams in the league. All thirty two teams play like that.
And the key that when you play teams like that
is that you've got to tackle one space. You can't
give up the big plays, and you got to make

(59:38):
sure that those quarterbacks work their way at least be
trying to be patient enough not to take those shots
down the field. And when they take those shots in
small windows, you may them pay for it. And I
think defenses are starting to do that and then we're
also starting to see teams when it gets listen after
Thanksgiving and it gets cold and nasty and wet outside,
you'd better be able to run the football a little

(59:59):
bit as an offense to take that pressure off of quarterbacks.
No doubt, doubt we've seen that so far after this
Thanksgiving that teams need to run the ball and if
they don't, their quarterback will be in trouble. No doubt.
It is the odd couple. On Fox Sports Radio, I
guests Rod Woods in the Hall of Famer, UH and
FS one NFL analyst. Hey, Rod, We talked about this

(01:00:21):
weeks and weeks ago. It was pretty obvious that Reggie
McKenzie was going to be run out of Oakland and
that was the plan all along. Uh, he's been fired.
He drafted four Pro bowlers, only one remains with the team,
and then you see two of them, Khalil mack and
and uh Amari Cooper doing wonders with their new teams. Uh,

(01:00:42):
you're not surprised by this, are you? No? But you
know what I'm seeing that the Raiders, the Oakland Raiders
fired Reggie McKinsey. Let's get it straight. John Gruten fired
Reggie McKenzie. Let's just can we just say it for
what it is? This, let's be I'm gonna train parent person.
I do let sometimes my emotion gets a better part

(01:01:04):
of me on air and on TV because I'm honest
and honesty has to speak. Because John Gruten two years ago,
Reggie McKenzie was an executive of the you know, has
he had the perfect drafts every single year? Nobody does nobody,
nobody does absolutely. I mean there's no there's there's no

(01:01:25):
guarantees when you pick a player, how he's gonna be
in the National Football League. Hey, listen, Gruten's come in
with a ten year deal. He said it from day one.
They're not good enough to win. Even though they did
have they were twelve and four, you know, two years ago.
There were six and ten last year. But for him,

(01:01:46):
they weren't good enough to win. So is he not
good enough to coach these guys or do they have
to be all stars for him to win? You know?
And you know, and Reggie, Reggie as a man of
a really good honor. You know, he rather walk away
than get fired. He knew, he knew the writing on
the wall. It's just sad that Mark Davis. Let this

(01:02:10):
happen to Reggie and I love I love the Davis's family,
I love the Open Raiders. But I'm just it's sad
to see it go in this direction where one person
has all the power and he's won one Super Bowl.
He took the Oakland Raiders when he was there to
the AFC Championship Game and they lost. And to say

(01:02:31):
that he's going to be the team, the guy to
take them to five Super Bowls and win three of
them in the next nine years, his ground work doesn't
show that. And I'm just sad for Reggie. I know
Reggie'll get a job somewhere else. I'm glad to you know,
I know that had happened, but I'm just sad to
see it work out this way. Rod, you were on

(01:02:53):
I think we had you on at the time of
the Amari Cooper trade. You were speaking very highly of him.
You obviously were put him in Oakland. Why do you
I mean, I can't remember seeing a wide receiver have
this type of impact on a team after his crade, Yeah,
this quickly. Why do you think Cooper had to you know, mediocre,

(01:03:15):
a poor seasons in Oakland and now all of a sudden,
he's been reborn in Dallas, like what was going on? Old? Yeah,
two years ago he had a really good year. Last
year not so much. But when you look at it,
you know, the hardest thing to cover as a DV
and as a corner, as a receiver who has quickness

(01:03:36):
and can separate on the change of direction, and that's
what he does. He is a really good rout runner.
He can get in and out of his brakes faster
than dB. So he creates separation and Dak normally throws
to the guy that's open. He doesn't throw a guy open.
He wants to see the guy open first, and a
Murray's been getting open. He creates a separation quickly from
his from the DBS, and that throws in the ball.

(01:04:00):
And I think that's one of the main reasons there's
a connection there. And I also I think he's not
afraid to throw him them ball. Now he's been he's
been balling out for them, and boy, what a god
send for Dak Prescott, who people questioned, I mean, it wasn't.
Troy Aikman was like, they're gonna blow this whole thing up.
Five weeks ago before this all started what's right? And

(01:04:20):
I mean, do you where are you on Dak Prescott?
I'm still not there. I've seen him play well. I've
also seen the bad side of him. He played putting
some bad football too last night. But he's winning and
I never pooh poo winning. But where are you on him?
Can this guy win? Is he a franchise quarterback that
can win you something? You know? Um, I it's hard

(01:04:43):
for me to say he's gonna be the Aaron Rodger,
the Drew Breeses, you know, even the Matthew Staffords throwing
for yards and in twenty five thirty touchdowns every year.
I don't know if that's gonna be him, but I
I think he will. He will, you know, go for
two sixty five to seventy maybe three hundred and something

(01:05:08):
two touchdowns and he But you can win with that
as long as you have a running game and your
defensive plays away it's been playing. If you can do that,
then yes, you can win with him. But the question
is how do you keep everybody? Because you're gonna have
to pay Z. You're gonna have to pay Coop, you
got to pay Dak, You're gonna to pay the guys
on defense. It's gonna be hard to keep that team

(01:05:30):
together for the long haul. But for the you know,
for the immediate future, it's a good, young football team
that you know, I think is scary to play against
because the defense is so good and they can they
can stifle any deep excuse me, any offense in the
league right now. And you know, when you when you
have a defense like that, you want to have to
score twenty one point you always have a chance to win.

(01:05:50):
Right We've got thirty seconds. The Steelers, I hate to
always bring them up. I know that's your team, but
I was a stake right now, right I just feel
like I can't put any faith in them. You know,
they get it done when they have to. You know,
two things, Ben coming in late, he went out, said

(01:06:11):
he was hurt, and then at the end you come
back in really well, that's the first thing. Secondly, the
defense has to make some plays. Man. They got to
start somewhere along the line. They got to make some plays,
and they got to make some adjustments to what they're
calling and when they're calling it in the game. I
think they do that. I mean, they got two tough teams.

(01:06:33):
They got New England and they say, right after that,
So they got the next two weeks are critical for them.
They have to win one of those games, but they
fall out of the playoffs. Yeah, if they lose these two,
they definitely can fall out, and they're probably not. I mean,
I know they got the New England at home, but
I don't think they'll be favored in these games. Maybe
New England they're not gonna They're not gonna be New

(01:06:55):
England has beaten them quiet a few times. And you
play that, you play that soft zone against Tom Brady,
He's gonna pick you apart. So if if if they
lose these two, um, you know they're not gonna get
interest closed rod, Yes or no answer. If if Pittsburgh
falls out of the playoffs, could Mike Tomlin be fired

(01:07:16):
after this season? No, Okay, No, I think I'm a
Mike Tomlin fan. I'm just asking. I just think they
gotta make some they gotta make some adjustments on the
defensive side, and throughout the game. You know, you go back,
you're playing. They played San Diego, excuse me, the Los
Angeles Charger Chargers a couple of weeks ago, and you

(01:07:37):
got Keenan Alan playing the number three spot. And you
you put the linebacker on him in the whole game, yep,
and you never make an adjustment because of that. With that,
you know, that's that to me, I have a problem with.
All right, Rod, we appreciate it, all right. For lets
take care of all right. He's the Mike dan Tony
of the NFL. Who will we will playing next? But

(01:08:01):
first let's welcome in again, Dab Carson for what's trending? Dab?
How you doing, gents? Watching the game with not a
lot of offense going on right now, Monday night football,
We've got the Vikings at the Seahawks. Vikings trying to
make a drive happen. They're on about the forty right now.
Seattle was three and out on their first possession. So
the Vikings and Seahawks scoreless right now, six forty three

(01:08:22):
to go, first quarter, they're in Seattle. Dab, what's wrong
with these referees? They can't see a face obvious face mask,
missing face masks, but they're I've been doing it like
all year. I mean, you see a guy's head turn,
it's obvious. Well look at that, yeah exactly, Yeah, Wagner
just grabbed his that's not obvious. Well, it is to

(01:08:42):
me and clearly to the cameraman who caught it there.
For us, they need to have a ref up in
the booth to say, Okay, we got to stop the game.
We got a penalty that wasn't called down on the field.
Get it right, like the Referees Association's gonna let that happen. Yeah. Well,
the Oakland Raiders are Sam's a GM right now that
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(01:09:27):
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(01:10:37):
thought I thought Oregon was playing or Baylor basketball. Yeah,
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(01:10:57):
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(01:11:17):
straight games and yesterday is to the hapless Raiders. That's
a bad law. That's that's a loss you can you
can lose your job over. I think I think, well,
obviously Rod Woodson is a fan of Tomlins, but also
I think he's just looking at the stability that organizations
at three coaches over sixty years or whatever. I get

(01:11:40):
that could save Tomlin. But I'm just saying, Terry Bradshaw
has been banging on him for a couple of years now.
You know Brasshaws tied in with that organ with the family.
You know that he's one of the allegeds. He won
four Super Bowls, with that organization. So let's not act
like Terry Bradshaw some outsiders saying that, And I'm just
saying with some many other stuff that's gone on because

(01:12:00):
you talk about it about them not being disciplined, I'm
just saying, if they don't, If they if they like
like bottom out and don't win any more games or
something and then don't make the playoffs and fall out, man,
that's gonna be tough to see that. You have to
know where you're at as a franchise. A lot of
franchise you would say, well, Tomlin gets us in the
playoffs every year where you know, he's won a Super Bowl,

(01:12:22):
he almost you know, he's we're never out of it,
We're always in the hunt and so but a lot
would keep him. But you also have to look at
it and say, Okay, have we hit the threshold of
where he's going to say, you know, like, like you
have talent that could we think when Super Bowl you
could trade Tomlin to Cincinnati. They like that, right, they

(01:12:43):
like But yeah, No, I mean I brought up in
our meeting before the show that he reminds me of
the Mike D'Antoni of the Only problem is he's already
won a championship. It's hard you're gonna call him Mike
D'antoni's never won Dantoni D'Antoni, And I say, you're right
about that. You know what I mean when I say
it for this reason. Now, I was on Speak for

(01:13:06):
Yourself about a year ago talking about this, and we're
talking about I think D'Antoni. If you had to list
the top twenty coaches in NBA history, D'Antoni might be
in there because he did revolutionize the game to a degree,
and he's had great success in the regular season. He's
obviously never gotten to even the NBA finals, let alone

(01:13:27):
won a championship. But he has been a good coach.
But here's the thing with D'Antoni. What always fails him
in the playoffs is his lack of attention to detail.
Whether it was his Phoenix teams against San or San
Antonio sixty games every year, yep, but never got to

(01:13:49):
the final. I don't care if it's was it was
a bad turnover at the wrong time, it was a
missed rotation at the wrong time. It was your guys
getting off the bench that year when Staldemyramar Stodomyr and
those guys got suspended when first players didn't get off
the bench because they knew what not to do at
that moment. The coaches is on the big pick's coaching

(01:14:10):
and he put you in a good system, but he's
not making a lot of adjustments. He's not you know,
the little things, like you said, the little things here
and there, adjustments here, there, little things you gotta tell
your team, don't do this, do that. He doesn't do.
And when I look at the Steelers, I feel like
that's what I see on the football. But that's why
I'm asking the question. I know people don't want to
hear it because of their history and they don't fire coaches.

(01:14:32):
Three coaches since wins and since the sixties. Yeah, I
mean think about that. Yeah, so I get that Cower
had a long stretch of kind of mediocrity. So it's
very similar, right, So it'll be interesting just to see.
And the only reason I even think that there's a
chink in the you know armor, or there's a chance

(01:14:55):
is because of the Brad short stuff. I've heard it
too much and like when you call it, it's not
coming from That's not I come from. Howie Long or
Michael straighthand or something might be coming from inside. Yeah,
but I if I had to bet, I would bet
that he doesn't get fight even because I look I
gonna lose. I think they're gonna lose to New England
and New Orleans. Because here's the problem for Pittsburgh. Those

(01:15:17):
two teams are playing for something, right, you know, New
England they hope we're gonna talk about it coming up
of the show. But New England that was a bad
loss of my had lost it, and they're going to
you know, they're gonna because of that loss. Yet they
need to win. And of course New Orleans is trying
to get home field throughout the NFC. So yeah, it's uh.
I think Pittsburgh is in trouble. But I do think

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excited after the games yesterday because I really wanted to

(01:17:13):
bring this topic up with you. There are a few
I wanted to bring up with you, but but the
the Dallas Cowboy. You couldn't wait to get in because
you you say you are not a believer. You aren't
even a believer after they beat the Saints. I'm not
ended what their eight nine game win streams get it.
They didn't score any points in the second half and

(01:17:33):
they wanted what squeaked at thirteen ten. But defense, I
don't poo pool winning. I do give people credit because
I know how hard it is to win. Okay, I do,
But I'm still just I think it'll end badly and
then people will say that the same issues that that
Troy Yakmen talked about, that this organization need to be

(01:17:54):
blown blown up. We'll wear its ugly head down the road.
That's just how I feel. I don't thing. I don't
think people came out and said all that stuff just
by happenstance, we were all totally off base with how
this organization is set up. I think the main criticism
of Jerry Jones would be just the fact that he's
kept Jason Garrett around so much or so long because

(01:18:18):
he wants a puppet of a coach. And you you
it is legitimate. It's a legitimate question to ask is
can you win a Super Bowl with a puppet coach?
That's legit. I agree, now what you have to say
that goes against what Troy Aikman said, they have drafted

(01:18:40):
well with Jones, with the two Jones is running the organization,
you do have to say they've drafted well. They have talent,
but they don't have anything to show for it because
they have nothing to playoff wins since nineteen ninety. Those
are just the facts. But better than that, right we're
talking about question. For more than a couple of decades,

(01:19:01):
they've been South America's team because they always finished. That's what.
It's very true. That's very true. And but the bottom
line is right now, they look really good and I'm
a believer in what that means is I give them
a solid chance of going deep into the playoffs and
even winning the Super or getting to the Super. So

(01:19:24):
you got so at least you let me get you
on the record. So from what you've seen in so
far and the five game win streak, and they beat
the Saints, beat the important game I know was at home,
but still an important games the Eagles, and remember the
Eagles tied the game with less than two minutes ago
and their own and on the road. That's a big
you know, that was like a momentum shift right there.

(01:19:45):
He just tied the game. All right, So my question was,
you see, if the Cowboys don't win a playoff game,
well let's have been for naught. Like like, are you
expecting them to win a playoff game? Because that's what really,
that's what we're talking about. I would buy into everything
going on. I get off Jason Garrett's back, I get

(01:20:06):
off Dak Prescott's back. I would I would get off
just one playoff. I just need a playoff win because
that matters in the NFL. Look, it does matter. And
if they don't win a playoff get they don't have
to win the super Bowl. I'm saying, even though they're
the type, their name, that organization's name should be super
Bowl or bust right right with Dallas. But they because

(01:20:29):
it's been so bad for so long, they don't have
to win a super Bowl to feel good about this season. Right,
But I would agree, they do have to win a
playoff game. And right now, right now, who would they face.
I know it's we still have three weeks left, but
they would face Uh, they would face um Seattle. I

(01:20:50):
believe Seattle. Seattle's playing right now up three zero on Minnesota.
But I believe Dallas would face Seattle and I'll tell
you what that to me is kind would kind of
be like a pick them game. I would definitely take
Russell Wilson over Dak Prescott. No, I gotta get it well,
for he won a Super Bowl, yep, and he's had
he's a better version, a much better version of Dak

(01:21:13):
press much again, he could throw it better. But that
game would be in Dallas. And so yeah, if you
lose that game, which is no shame in losing the
Russell Wilson from the Seahawks, but yeah, that would leave
I agree, it would leave a bad tasi in mouth.
But it would be enough for Jason Garrett to keep
his job just because you know Jerry loves him too.

(01:21:36):
Didn't be enough to get Dak Prescott paid. And that's
the other thing. If you're a Cowboys fan, like if
you don't Chris like, say they get they have a
terrible playoff game and they revert back to the team
that people were fed up with, then you go made
the playoffs. We gotta sign Jason Garrett back. He's gotta right,

(01:21:57):
he's gotta get a get Yet you could you didn't
file thinking about next year. You're thinking, Okay, we gotta
marry for a whole see what I'm saying, and then
you go, all right, Dak was lousy in the playoff game.
He didn't get a junk done and turned back into
the guy who holds the ball too long? Who did
who threw for one hundred and eighty five yards? And

(01:22:17):
you know what I mean? Like so then you have
and fumbled once and how to pick. So you look
at it. You look at it and say, is it
good for us if we're trying to move forward or
is it you know, like it's serious history. You want
your team. It'll be good enough right now. And he's
very loyal, but are you going But if you're a

(01:22:37):
Cowboys fan, if if if we're going to playoffs, get
blown out and lose and they keep those guys, is
that going to long term stop us from winning again.
I don't think they'll look at it that way because look,
let's let's just face it. I mean the way the
teams are stacked up right now, you know any team

(01:22:59):
could lose in the playoff. Oh no, no, that's just
how it is. But I'm just saying, for the history
of the Cowbell now, I think look, Dak's their quarterback
barring a late season collapse, over these last three games,
he's their quarterback, and I wouldn't be. The question now
is do you how much do you give him? Do
you give him? You know, the going raid is twenty
eight thirty million. He's not worth that, nobody. That's the

(01:23:21):
going raiding. The starting quarterback for the most profitable franchise
in America. Man, if you're his agent, you're not taking
the hometown discount. That's that's the question, you know what
I mean? I wonder though you wouldn't want to, But
it's not up to the agent. But you know what
I'm saying. But but I but I don't blame like
I wouldn't blame a guy if Dak says, Okay, let's

(01:23:43):
say somebody. First of all, I don't know who's gonna
offer him. That's the thing too. That is not the
type of quarterback where I think he's gonna be getting
offered twenty eight thirty million by competing teams. So I
don't know who the Cowboys are gonna be competing with now.
May maybe at Jacksonville. I don't know what their money
situation is like, but maybe they, you know, would would

(01:24:06):
want him. Obviously, I think he'd be kind of just
what the doctor order they are about the giants. How
crazy would that be? Well, I think he's a winner.
He's not, you know, he's not the prolific quarterback. But
but but you also have some elements that got Playmas.
You got a great runner, you got receivers, got you

(01:24:26):
got Barkley, you got he's a leader. I think he
could be fine. There, you got Odell, you got you.
I'm just saying I think teams there will there are
teams that will want him. But are there teams that
will quote unquote break the bank for him? That's what
I don't think. And that seems to me. If the

(01:24:46):
Cowboys come with a legit twenty four million, twenty five,
I wouldn't be surprised if he was the type to
take a little less, to stay in a situation where
he was comfortable. No, I see him as that kind god. Yeah,
I do. I totally agree with you, But you don't
like that. I never think you should take less. You
know this. My thing is, uh, you should get with

(01:25:09):
you what you're worth. And I understand people they don't
want to change whatever, but you know, like sometimes people
have done that has come back to bite them. I'm
just saying you should just want your market value. That
that's all. I just look at it. If they're going
right for quarterback, if but he I'm just saying I
wouldn't get if, you know, I mean, if you're happy

(01:25:32):
as a lark in Dallas, you love your teammates, you
love the organization. You're with Dallas, you with the Lakers
of the NFL, the Yankees of the NFL, you're their quarterback.
You mean to tell me you should go somewhere else
that might not even be a really good situation. And
I'll give you a puss because they're gonna give you
a little more money. How about Robinson Cano. You know

(01:25:54):
I was gonna bring that right. He's when the last
time we talked about Robinson Cano, I know he disappeared
playing and see yet. But the only thing is the
Yankees offered like one was it one seventy something? And
and and Seattle offer two sixty. That's huge, Okay, I
get that. If you're Robinson Canoe, you cannot take that

(01:26:15):
other offer. I get that. At my right. Look, that's
the heck of it. That's ninety if if it was
that big, Yeah, that's nice or something like that. It
was like the Yankees offering, But I thought it was
more like was it two forty versus ninety or No,
it wasn't too. I knew it wasn't that close. But
but here's the thing too, even if it's one seventy

(01:26:35):
and I get you, I would probably lean toward what
Canoe did, which is leaving because that big of a gap,
Because you would look at it and go, even if
I get only half of that, that's forty five million dollars.
The you know out of that ninety that you that
that you're giving up, that's a lot of money. But
it's the thing nowadays in professional sports, you're talking about

(01:26:56):
the type of money where I mean, you're wealthy beyond
your wildest dreams, no matter what. Like I remember when
Lebron went to Miami. Remember initially the thinking was that
he and Bosh were gonna take a little bit less
than they could have gotten. And Lebron's guys around and
they told me, look, there's nothing you can do with

(01:27:18):
twenty a million a year that you can't do with
eighteen million a year. And that's true. So if I'm
Dak Prescott and Jacksonville offers me twenty eight million a year,
and Dallas offers me twenty five. Assuming he's happy in Dallas.
I'm staying in Dallas, you know. So I think it's

(01:27:38):
worth that to give up that type of money to
stay in a situation where you're happy, especially when you're
you're wealthy beyond your wildest dreams. No matter what, No,
I get that, but there's still a lot of money.
Just as we in our business, we saw a lot
of guys move around. And the only difference in really

(01:27:59):
the job. Like you might be prestigious, Okay, you work
at the New York Times, or somebody works at the
Daily News or the New York postdis all the New
York papers. But the difference is somebody if I send
my story, you know, the old days, we used to
send them into the by phone, but you know you
used to send them by phone, not by internet. And
the only difference that would change is what phone number

(01:28:19):
you were sending in the story too. Right, So I
work at the Post and the Daily News offers me
fifteen thousand dollars more. And the only thing I'm still
covering the knicks. I'm still right doing everything I was doing.
The only difference is the number changes. You see what
I'm saying, And that's why even I might have been
a better paper than Yeah, I've take I took less

(01:28:41):
when I went to the New York Times. Did you
really Newsday offered me more? It was a few, just
a few thousand, but it was more. I went to
the New York Times instead, and then I took less
for I don't know my second or third contract with ESPN.
I could have went somewhere else and gotten more. So
it really is about happiness, and you know, but we'll see.
Look eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven

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whenever you need it. Granger for the ones who get
it done. And we will be joined by Super Bowl
champion former All Pro wide receive ever Drew Pearson used
to play for what they call America's team, the Dallas Cowboys,
and I think he's ready. Drew, welcome to the odd couple.

(01:30:11):
You're on with Chris Bruce already, Rob Parker, Christ and Rob.
Thanks for having me, no problem. Oh yeah, it's great. Yeah,
you know what, ain't Drew. I've been calling them South
America's team because they've been finishing under five. Drew, I

(01:30:31):
was I was growing up. I was a Steelers fan.
It's when you you were playing. You guys were arch rivals.
But I did like you. I didn't like Dallas because
it was no I was a big because I was
a wide receiver. I was a big Drew Pierson fan.
So it's a pleasure, honor to have you on. Man,
Thank you guys, Thank you so here. How much um

(01:30:52):
do you believe in these Cowboys? It's been obviously been
a downtime for the last two decades, but now people
are excited thinking they have a shot to make the
Super Bowl. How high are you on them right now. Yeah,
I'm pretty high, you know, And I think the reason
I am it is because they earned that right. You know.
I was pretty hard on them when they were struggling,

(01:31:13):
going three and five and struggling through the first part
of the season, and I think a lot of that
had to do with the team really trying to find
its identity and trying to find itself. And once they
did that, you know, they got on an island by
themselves because we were criticizing them big time around here.
We wanted to fire Garrett Lynahan, Kellen Moore to quarterback coach,

(01:31:38):
you wanted to fire the ball boy, and we wanted
to fire everybody. And they're talking about bringing dead back
and now I here talking about it. They were had
talks about bringing Witton back. But you know, these guys
were out there by themselves and they said, Hey, ain't
nobody going to turn this around but us. If we
want to turn it around, we have to do it ourselves.
And that's kind of what they've been doing. And they've

(01:31:58):
been doing a good job so far. And fans weren't
happy with Dak and you know, like two hundred yards
a game, and you know, fumbling and all kinds of stuff,
and he's turned it around. Where are you on him?
Is he that franchise quarterback for the future and the
Cowboys should give him twenty eight thirty million dollars and
that's the end of the conversation. Or do you need
to see him in a playoff game or play better?

(01:32:21):
What do you need from him? Or are you sold?
I think there's we still have some time before we
have to talk about giving them the money. But you know,
I've always been sold on Dak. I even said back
in before they drafted him in two thousand and sixteen
that he was the guy that Cowboys should take. They
were talking about Paxon Lynch and all these other guys.

(01:32:42):
I said, No, that's not where the NFL is going
need a quarterback like Dak Lynch, who had turned Mississippi
State around and they hadn't won anything. He had them
up to number one in the country at one point,
and they haven't wonted anything since. He's left of significance.
So what I saw in him was, No, he's not

(01:33:02):
gonna lead the league in passing the receivers, probably not
going to lead the league and receptions or well, unless
you're Monte Cooper, maybe you'll lead the league of yards,
but but you know, he's not going He's not that
type of quarterback. What you're gonna get from Dak Prescott
is victories. He had that kind of character to lead
a team and to have others follow him. You know,

(01:33:25):
since to sixteen, he's won thirty games in the NFL.
The only other quarterback that's won that many in that
short period of time or close to that is Drew
Brees and he's won twenty nine. You know, you're talking
about Aaron Rodgers and some other quarterbacks. But you know,
if the time comes and he used to continue to
win and lead the Cowboys, and that's the market they're

(01:33:46):
paying quarterbacks twenty five to thirty millions, and hey, he
deserves that too, Drew. I can't remember the last time
I saw a receiver join the team and make the
type of impact that Amari Coopers made on the Cowboys.
Why do you think he's changed everything from them for that,
from their running game to that to the production of

(01:34:06):
the other receivers, And I just think it's uh, I
guess it's a combination of things. Number One, with Amari
brings Amari Cooper brings. And you know, he playing out
there in Oakland, playing on that sorry field out there
in the coliseum and that grass. You know, it's not
a fast track or anything. And he ran good routes
out there. He went over a thousand yards splice. But

(01:34:28):
you get in the AT and T Stadium on that
fast track and you're running those kind of routes that
he runs. Man, the separation he's able to create is
just unbelievable. And the reason is because he does run
some great pass routes. Now he's way out there on
the West Coast. I didn't know he was that good
as far as running pass routes. So all I heard

(01:34:50):
about was a speed, he can get deep, and you
know he had some issues with dropping the football and
that type of thing, but no one talked about to
great length as his ability to run pass routes. I
put him right there from what I've seen thus far
with Antonio Brown the Steelers, and of course the great

(01:35:10):
Larry Fitzgerald with the Arisona Cardinals as far as running
pass routes. But he's brought that kind of a presidence
to the offense. And now that opens things up with
the running game. I think it even gives Scott Linahan
a little freedom. But he and Dacts, I think on
a couple occasions guys that you know, they didn't follow

(01:35:34):
the play that was called or sent down. You know,
they made their own adjustments. And that's pretty remarkable after
only being together for six games. So they have a
great feel for each other and it continues to work.
And with these sorry cornerbacks they got now in the NFL, boy,
you can run all day, and with a guy like him,

(01:35:56):
with his speed and a route running ability, you can
run all day. Just throw it up there and let
him go get it, no doubt about it. What about
Jason Garrett as the coach, It was about five weeks
ago to buy everybody was saying, this thing needs to
be blown up. He's just a puppet for Jerry because
Jerry wants to be the coach, and he keeps Jason
Garrett there. A lot of people were down on him.

(01:36:18):
Is he the kind of guy who can get you
to the Super Bowl? Is he just going to be
there as long as Jerry says he's there and that's
how it is. Yeah, I think he can get us therapy.
You know, everything falls into place. You know how that goes.
You know, everything fell into place last year for Philadelphia,
and he also hit that yep, if that stride as
a team at the right time, and I think Garrett

(01:36:40):
can do that. And you know one thing I never hear.
I hear everybody criticizing Garrett, but I never hear any
players criticize him. You know, it came out last year
making some statements at the end of the season about
the play calling, and a lot of that was directed
towards Scott Linahan. But I never hear any players say, oh, Garrett,

(01:37:02):
I don't know, like Jim, I don't know, he makes
us do this and I don't like playing for him.
I never hear any players complaining about playing for Jason Garrett.
So that tells me that he might be doing the
right thing. He's got a young football team. I guess
they believe in him and what he says, and then
agatting guys, who is the perfect coach to coach under

(01:37:24):
Jerry Jones and in that system that they have, how
do you find somebody? No, they might be that perfectach
for that well, because of what Jerry wants you to do.
And that's why they probably believe that That's why that
puppet stuff comes out, because I can't see the stroint
strings from La, so I really can't tell him the
puppet drew. You were one of the better receivers in

(01:37:47):
your era, but your most catches in a year was
sixty two. And now you know, you see how these
teams are throwing the football, do you. I gotta believe
you sometimes yourself whishing like man, I wish we had
thrown the ball like this, and then they'd had these
rules be different too when I played. How do you

(01:38:08):
look at the game now as a receiver versus when
you played, Yeah, I look at it two ways. Number One,
they throw the ball a heck of a lot more,
you know, well back through a fifty sometimes, you know,
and with you know that took Rogers maybe three games
back in the day, back through a fifty four. But

(01:38:29):
you know, as you know, they throw it a lot
more in the reason they do, because there's uh the
rules have changed to make a conducive to throw the
football back in my day, there's a running back day O. J. Simpson,
Walter Payton, Frank o' harris, Larry Zonka, Jim Kit. You
know we had to run through the running back time,
or said Calvin Hill, all these great guys back then.

(01:38:53):
So you you know, you had a tendency to run
and based on the rules, that was what dictating what
the offense would do more so, but nowadays then you
know with the rule changes. Of course, first of all,
they're throwing the football more. And then with the rule change,
it's allowed you to run free in that secondary. And
the third thing is there's limited ability in the secondary
as far as covering guys. And you know, I was

(01:39:15):
watching Josh Norman, he's supposed to be one of the
best in the league last year with yesterday with Washington,
and man, I'm saying, man if I was just twenty
years younger, Man, I can get some of that. What
do you think it is? Why do you think they
aren't You mentioned the defensive backs early. Why do you
think they aren't? Like what don't they do or can't

(01:39:36):
they give it? They did in you Is it the
rules or is it is actually the ability? It's it's technique.
And then when you get injuries, it's like Philadelphia and
injuries they having a secondary. When you lose your first
line guys, no matter what position it is. Now in
the NFL, your drop off from your starters to your
backup is so great as opposed to that was back

(01:39:57):
in the day. You know, you had players that were
football players that major team based on their football ability
that were backups back in the day. Nowadays you're back
ups basically or there because they fit the salary cap.
And then when you lose your first line guys, your starters,
those guys become starters, and then you're trying to fill
the roster with the practice squad players and trotting those

(01:40:22):
guys out there. You know, look at the play that
won the game for the Cowboys last night. You know,
I mean, how many times do you see a defensive
back club of play like that? Well, I tell you
for the time back in the day they picked that
thing off and go the other way with it. Yeah,
defensive backs can't catch. I guess that's why the right

(01:40:44):
and they can't. True fo dds that were along the
the fodder along the way as uh Henry ran that night,
right right, I said, I told Rob, I said, they
were just they were going high at him, trying to
wait for somebody to come home down right. And also

(01:41:07):
a lot of those guys that swinging trying to knock
the ball out, so they just bringing the guy down
and tackle them. True, well, true, we appreciated great stuff,
and we love to get you on again sometime. Let's
do it. Let's do it. Go Cowboy, Thanks a lot,
all right. It was one of the wildest plays in
NFL history and it could derail the Patriots run to

(01:41:30):
the Super Bowl. We'll explain next, but first it's Deb
Carson with the latest in sports deab talk about wild
I know you guys were talking to Drew Pearson right now,
but Russell Wilson and the Seahawks were down, just about
to score, but in trying to avoid a sack, Russell
Wilson trying to throw it away, but he ended up
being picked off by Eric Kendricks. No harm, no foul

(01:41:50):
because there are only a couple of seconds left on
the clock, but blowing an opportunity for Seattle to take
a ten point lead. Seattle right now with a three
nothing lead over the Vikings app a half at Century
Link Field in Seattle. The other big NFL news today
the Raiders firing at GM Reggie McKenzie. Despite the big
win over Pittsburgh yesterday. NBA action currently under way. In fact,

(01:42:14):
it is almost over now in Boston, ninety seven eighty
one lead for the Celtics over the Pelicans. No Kyrie
Irving tonight, he's still dealing with a sore shoulder there
for Boston. Also, it has gone final in Indiana, a
one nine, one o one win for the Pacers over
the Wizards. So the Pacers have now one four in
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Warriors the twenty eighteen Sportsperson of the Year. They're the
fourth team to win the prestigious award. They join the
nineteen eighty US men's Olympic hockey team, the nineteen ninety

(01:42:58):
nine US women's soccer team, and finally the two thousand
and four Boston Red Sox. What do you think about it?
I don't I don't get it either. I totally think
that that's all. That's almost that it's a whimper out
and you the three teams you name that it previously
won it. Damn. I mean all of those were incredibly history. Yes,

(01:43:18):
Like what shield was not a star nothing, not a
bunch of superstars joined by another superstar, and he had
already been there for years, Like if they had, I mean,
I don't think I would have been fine with it
in twenty fifteen when they won their first championship, right,
But even then I could at least okay, this is
a franchise that was terrible with you or even the

(01:43:40):
Calves in twenty sixteen when they came back from three
one that won historic because it had never happened in
the NBA exactly. But this, like, I mean, I'm trying
to think off my top of mind. You use the
right word. It was just lazy. It's a lazy pick.
Like what it didn't It didn't feel historic. I mean,
you could have gone with Serena Williams. You could have
gone with if you would actually gone with Kevin Durant.

(01:44:02):
That wouldn't that would have made more sense second year
in the roll back to back MVPs in the finals, right,
that would have made more sense than a ward that
that makes absolutely no sense to me. No, it doesn't
have the big, like you said, the historic significance that
the Red Sox did in oh four and honestly, you know,
the mental epic team all because the Red Sox that
was the first time they wanted World Series in what

(01:44:23):
eighty five years? Yeah yeah, and they came back from
three one against the Yankees and three three oh yeah. LCS.
All right, thank you, dad, We will talk with you tomorrow.
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seven Auto. The only hard part is figuring out which
way is easier. Before we get to the Patriots, Drob,
we were talking with Drew Pearson from the Cowboys and
how different the game was when he played Rob just
starback was, I mean just a legend. You know, he's
a Hall of Famer. He didn't throw the ball that month.

(01:45:07):
The most give me I'm gonna ask you to guess,
give me the most touchdowns you think he threw in
the season eighteen. No, it was twenty seven, which was
his last year nineteen seventy nine, he threw it a
career high four hundred and sixty one times. What was
just like what would like most he had three times.
He only had three times where he threw more than

(01:45:28):
twenty Okay, twenty three, twenty five and twenty I know,
I know it was. There were many seasons where it
wasn't over twenty. It looks like from just looking at
his stats seventy eight and seventy nine where his last years,
those were the only two years he threw it more
than four hundred times, and so it maybe the league
was beginning to throw it a little. So he played

(01:45:50):
a couple of years where they had another quarter didn't
They used to rotate quarterbacks too well. Danny White, that
was Danny White started at you know he came in
after starback. But uh, but you're right most I mean
he had eleven touchdowns one year one year at seventeen
touchdowns sixteen interst right, fourteen touchdowns eleven. I mean this

(01:46:11):
is during the height when he when they were in
the Super Bowl every year. Peterson said it about the
running back. They were just it just running back was
the glamour positions. They didn't throw the ball like they
do now they just throw it around. But uh, speaking
of throwing the ball, I mean, yeah, let's let's here.
We're gonna talk about that last play where the Dolphins,

(01:46:32):
of course, upset the Patriots thirty four, thirty three and
one of them. Now Miami's now five and one of
the last six in in my Miami against the Patriots.
Here's the play by player that last play, Dannehill, last
shot back control, they drawed out, they try to pitch
it like they do to Parker. Barker pitches it and

(01:46:54):
it's stock good cows gonna tack. I just saw and

(01:47:15):
you can tell by the exhilaration of those broadcasters that
that's Dolphins Radio. But listen to the guy in the beginning, gosh,
because you think we see that many times and it
doesn't work. And to see it work against the Patriots
of all teams, the best coach ever and uh even

(01:47:37):
though he cheats, but this is the third incredible. That's
a bad loss for the Patriots. Yes it is because
it has implications about the play. Look at the Patriots
record when they play playoff games, Chris at home and
when they go on the road. Since what is it there?
Three and four, well under and Brady's career. They're three
and four on the road right after nineteen and three

(01:47:59):
at home. That's what I'm saying. So if they had
had home courted home field advantage throughout the AFC playoffs,
they got a better shot. They would I think they
would win. I mean they are. Their defense is still
not no, but it's better than Kansas City's because think
about who who do you believe even now? I mean,

(01:48:20):
you got the Patriots, the Chiefs, you're a believer in
the Chargers, No, I do. I told you Chargers go
Super Bowl. Chargers going to Pittsburgh without their best, uh
running back, right pete Um Melvin Gordon being out and
winning that game in the fashion that they did, Chris,
which is the first time that that the Steelers had

(01:48:42):
lost the game where they led by sixteen points at home.
It had never happened in the history of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
That's saying something without your best running back, yep. And
you would love to get the Chargers in Foxborough right
that cold weather. That'd being a huge That's one of
the reasons that they have that advantage. Exactly, you play

(01:49:03):
up there, they have an advantage like you saw the
Rams yesterday. Golf wanted no parts of Chicago and it
was cold there and uh, I mean mitro biscuity through
for a one hundred yards. It wasn't a great day
offensively for anybody. But uh, you know they've struggled against
NFC North teams period. The Rams have and they won,

(01:49:24):
you know, they won all most about the game, but
they've struggled, that's all. No, that was a bad loss
for New England. Uh, they do have a fairly easy schedule.
I mean Pittsburgh after that game, who like you said,
they've owned then they got the Bills in the Jets
after after that game. You can hear a mouse urinate
on a Tom Brady jersey in Foxborough. I'm a laugh

(01:49:49):
just so you don't feel too bad with with DJ
Teisher looking at you with that sad lit right right,
we tired at the mouse. I need another one, Cotton
or Jim Hardball Shackie Hacki's Tom Brady's jersey, Belichick hoodie.
You know I've done it all hard on peace. That's

(01:50:10):
the most urinate in this mouse I've ever heard of.
I never heard of mouse urinate so much. But now
you know on Twitter. Man, they always like roll, what
do you what? You got? What you got? And so
I was, yeah, it's gonna be a problem. It's gonna
be a problem. Houston. You believe in Houston, I don't.
That's another team they want all what they went not

(01:50:32):
in a row. Yeah, and I knew they were due. Yeah, yeah,
you knew that. Yeah. But but then you go, I
don't know, I just do. I really believe that they
got something going on and they're gonna make that run
and get to the super Bowl. I can't say that
as well as they've played. That's why I still I
give look New England's got a shot. Man, I don't.

(01:50:54):
But but you're right, it's gonna be tough. If you say,
but who in the who in the AFC? That's gonna
be a factor. But we saw on the Super Bowl
they gave up. You don't believe in Pittsburgh's offense. You
don't the Chargers, and they play some defense, but it's
not World beaters. Uh certainly not Kansas City. No. And

(01:51:14):
Houston's got pretty good defense. But you know that's just
it's the NFL. I would take Tom Brady. I take
my chances with Tom Brady against any defense. Hear that. No,
I'm not truth. But the big, the most important thing
you said, and it is legitimate, is on the road. Right.

(01:51:35):
It's hard to special going on the road, right. So
I do think that loss was terrible. It's not good
news for the Steelers. All Right, this dude has officially
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see our couple of Chris Brussard and Rob Parker for
our last segment of the show. Thank you for joining us,
and we have to talk about what took place in Oakland. Robs,
we know, it wasn't surprising that they fired Jim Reggie mckinzi.
We talked about it, we were talking about just weeks ago.
But this is a mess. This is a mess. Two

(01:53:06):
years ago, Reggie mackenzie was the executive of the Year.
And no, no, he didn't hit a home run in
every draft. But he did draft Khalil mack He did
draft to Marik Cooper, he did draft Derek Carr, and
those two guys are bawling for other teams that have
made and have made an immediate impact. Incredible. It's not

(01:53:27):
like they just putting up individual numbers. Teams they have.
I will, I'll go as far and I don't think
I'm stepping out on a ledge by saying if the
Dallas Cowboys had not traded for a Marii Cooper, they
would be pretty much out of the playoffs. I don't
disagree with that, right, Chicago would be Chicago became overnight,

(01:53:50):
overnight his first game. You saw the impact on that defense,
and you're telling you you're getting rid of these guys.
And Derek Carr, you know, he's not Aaron Rodgers, but
he's a pretty good quarterback. No, but he's a guy
look great. And I think Reggie McKenzie drafted four Pro

(01:54:10):
bowlers and only one remains on the team. Now that's
Derek Carr. But ye be after we drafted four Pro
bowlers and they get Look, he had his You can
criticize his record to some degree, but it's but a
lot of people. I mean, and and I'm not picking
on anybody, but I was close to it. Matt Millan
was Lin's GM for eight and a half years. Matt
Millen was eight arguably the worst general, but he was

(01:54:33):
there for eight and a half. Yeah, he's there for
a long time. Well, this is and Mark Davis used
to always be a guy that would support Reggie mackenzie.
So I actually think he liked Reggie mackenzie and probably
didn't want to do this, But crut Once you commit
to somebody and give him ten years, Chris and one
hundred million dollars, you gotta give him whatever he wants.

(01:54:55):
I'm sorry, it's a mistake. That was the dumbest contract
in re memory. No, you can't give up ten years
you and Okay, I get it. You couldn't have got
him if you're giving him five years fifty million, So
then you should have got somebody else, because look at you, now,
how long are you gonna give him? You're not gonna

(01:55:16):
be any good next year either, all right, they they're
gonna be any good next year. I don't I don't
understand it. I just but when you're enamored by somebody
and you love somebody like that much and Mark Davis
done be it only takes you to have Chris. You know,
this one guy who's who's all in on you, and
that's all that matters. And when you give somebody absolute power,
you set yourself up for bad things to happen. And

(01:55:38):
you just lost a good man. And Reggie McKenzie. I'm
not saying perfect. Nobody's perfect, but he lost good enough
where he Rod Woodson said it, and I believe. I mean,
he should get a job somewhere. Yeah, I think so. Well,
if you go in with your resument, say Khalil mag Yeah,
I'mari Cooper. I bought him some guys. I'd hit a

(01:55:59):
home run every time up nobody does. But he got
some people. Now in Oakland, there's no one else to
escape goat now. He's had John Gruten's had other people
he could point to, even though they were twelve and four.
A couple of years ago. He got away with blaming
the roster. We don't have any talent, you know, he
is said you can, I mean you could even fashion

(01:56:21):
it to say. He blamed Khalil Mack. He blamed them,
Mark Cooper getting them out of there, veterans that didn't
want you know, he said Cooper didn't want to play there.
I mean Mac didn't want to play there. No, he
wanted to get paid, is what he wanted. Said he
didn't want to he wanted to play there. There's nobody wanted.
And so now there's no one else for Gruden to blame.

(01:56:41):
He's not gonna survive this ten years, no where you
give him five, I'd say, uh, once they moved to Vegas,
he'll get two three, two years, two or three years max.
So maybe five years. So i'd say half of that
con And he said he would walk away, he wouldn't
take the money. Oh, he'll take the money. And I

(01:57:02):
got me. I don't blame me for taking the money.
He won't quit or unless there's some type of buy out.
But he's because you quit. Usually you don't get the money.
You can't get fired. You get the money, but it's
just it's a bad feel for you Raiders fans, and um,
it's just a bad situation man all the way around. Sorry,

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