Loyalty Doesn't Exist in the NFL

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David Gascon also knowing this, Steve stop. According to Robbers
now that was rob g What happened that somebody was

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sending him too many pieces of paper or something? Who
is that? I'm starting to worry about, rob Gee? Some
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He's already on maternity leave. That's what it is. Maternity. Yeah, paternity, Oh, paternity. Sorry,

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he's all right, let's get into it. Interesting the conversation
that la Damian Timlinson had, It was a lot of
great running backs just happened to be having a conversation
Ladamian Tomlinson. One of the guys you covered a lot,
Barry Sanders, who had a terrific for all of them did,

(04:39):
and Terrell Davis, three Hall of Fame running backs, and
the say Quon Barkley was with them, and Ladamian Tomlinson,
this is according to Yahoo Sports, gave say Kuan some
interesting advice. Here's what he said to him. He said,
think like a basketball player, which means don't be caught

(05:01):
up in staying with just one team or saying, oh,
I want to be with this team so bad that
I'm willing to take less. It's a business. At the
end of the day. Basketball players, I respect them because
Lebron will say I'm out, this team ain't doing what
I need them to do. I'm going over here. And
I think sometimes US football players get caught up in oh,

(05:24):
this is a family. If they pay you, then you
can believe that. So I thought that was interesting advice,
particularly at this day and time because Ezekiel Elliot's holding
out for more money, Levian Bell didn't play last year
to get his money, Melvin Gordon this year with the Chargers.
So what's your take on what la Damien Thomlinson told

(05:47):
say Quin And let me say this to you, Rod Parker. First,
you notice LT gave Lebron props. He gave Lebron. This
is another part of Lebron James's legacy. Athletes looking at
it like, you know what get yours? Yeah, But there's
nothing with just saying there's nothing wrong with moving around.

(06:07):
I've always told you that I'm not against free agency
people moving around. That's your right, that's a part of
the collective bargain agreement. I just don't want where you
pile up on teams and there's no competent. That's the
only argument I've ever had is beating nobody doesn't. I
don't know how you feel good about it, but anyway, LT.

(06:28):
I like his whole premise because especially for a running back,
especially since we've seen the CBA doesn't work for them,
get your money. I love it. And whether or not
people you talk about Lebron that people give Levian Belsam
credit and these other guys are looking to see what
he did. And he was willing to sit out a

(06:49):
whole year, and you know how football is, you know,
oh my god, we only have three and a half years.
I can't afford to do this or do that. I
think that that's opened up some guys odes to feel
like I want to get paid before I get you
used up. And I'm in trouble, you know what I mean.
And I'm not gonna get paid. So LT gave some

(07:09):
good advice real quick, Chris. I always thought that LT
should have gone by a different nickname because of Lawrence Taylor. Yes,
because to me, there's only one LT. Yeah, Am I
right or wrong on that? I give you that his
nickname LT. He's not the best guy with his nickname, right,

(07:30):
I mean, nicknames are usually so unique that you're always
the best. Dawkins is the best, chocolate thunder right, Doctor
Jay is the best, Doctor Magic the best. You know,
there's not another doctor Pete. You know, nobody gave somebody else,
uh that nickname. And I always thought, I know that
those are his initials. That's the thing. I don't know

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if I doubt that was LT kind of claiming that nickname.
I think it was just people started calling him that.
But but you know what I mean, it's just he's
not the greatest LT. Right, when when people say LT,
they're gonna think Lawrence Taylor, not Ladinian Town. I don't know, Chris,
if you even know, you know, I covered the Giants
during that time. I covered LT. I was like a

(08:14):
sidebar and backup Giants writer during that time, during those years,
so I would seeing him up close. Yeah, I mean,
you know how great he was. He was absolutely the man.
But getting back to the advice that LT gave him, yeah,
I tend to agree with it. I mean, these teams

(08:35):
aren't loyal. Not to quote Chris Brown, but these teams
aren't layal, especially in football. Football is the worst by
by far, it's the worst because they have the worst
collective bargainer. That's what I'm saying. They make the least
amount of money, which I would argue, and I'm not.
I'm glad all the guys are getting paid, the athletes,
but i'd argue rob of all the sports, particularly the

(08:59):
three main was foot ball, basketball, and baseball, the football
players should get the most money. I disagree. That's the
most grueling sport. I get that, but baseball there is
more days of revenue as far as and that's the
only difference. I'm not talking about the sport itself. I'm yeah,
I'm talking about revenue days. Thruesome nature. I get it

(09:19):
the most taxing, it's not even close, But I'm talking
about the revenue days that you can have. When you
talk about a six month season, every day, a seven
week spring training. I'm I'm just baseball players play a lot.
Which sport generates more money? Yeah, but that's not that's
not the It's the difference between eleven and nine. But

(09:41):
the difference in pay when you look at those two
is the night and day. That's the difference. Well, and
basketball gets the most. I mean, those guys are making
the most money. You know you get. I mean, Bryce
Harper got and Mike Child got these huge contracts. But
look at the years per year basketball players are making them,
and I just think you know they're generating it too.

(10:03):
They don't play as many games. Obviously it's baseball. But
that's that's neither here nor there. The fact is I
do agree with lt uh. There's no loyalty in sports.
These guys aren't gonna be loyal to you. He said
it if once you get injured, once your production goes down,
they will cut you if you don't have that guarantee money,

(10:24):
or they will trade you and send you packing. Here's
where I disagree with him, Martin, And I don't even
know if he would if this is what he's saying,
But I'm saying like and I'm not. I don't even
want to use Zeke as an example. But if I'm
going a team where we are a great team and
we have a chance to win championships and the team,

(10:48):
they could give me twenty million, I'm just throwing out
numbers for the sake of the example. They could give
me twenty million. I want twenty but they're only willing
to give me eighteen. I'm willing to I would be
willing to stay with a team where I'm happy, where
I like my teammates, where we can win for a

(11:10):
couple million dollars less, then to go to a bad
team just for a couple million dollars more. Now, it's
one thing. If if I want twenty and they're offering
fourteen fifteen, that's a big difference five million a year.
But if it's a couple million a year, I would

(11:30):
rather be in a situation where I'm happy and can
win than in a situation where we're just a bad
team and I'm really just there for money. If it's close,
I would take a little bit less if if I
had to to stay with a winner, Yeah, I disagree.
I want to be paid whatever the scale is. Well, no,

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I'm not saying you're off the scale. I'm just saying
I'm just saying, like like Amari Cooper, if he twenty
million or eighteen six, the twenty is within scale for him.
So if it's eighteen, I want twenty but they're offering eighteen.
If I love it in Dallas, got chemistry with dak
we can win a Super Bowl, I think I'd rather
be there for eighteen than go to say the Giants

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or you know who's some other bad team for twenty Yeah,
I just I don't know. I see people all the time.
It just depends on your circumstances. But I just want
what I should get, and I think that would determine
a lot, because I would also look at the team
to say, why if this is the going wait for
a star player like me, why are you not willing

(12:38):
to pay me that when Joe blows getting that at
a team like you say, and this other guys getting
a team getting it getting that money, but you don't
want to pay me, and you use that as an
excuse because you need to play play other people. Tom
Brady takes less money, but he doesn't get any other
the other help that people talk about. How is that?
How is that something that Tom Brady should be helping

(13:01):
when then everybody says he's doing more with less, but
he's get taking less money. So so it would have
to be a direct effect that's going to help me
do what it is that I want to do, whether
or not I would give because basically, even I agree
with that, you know, and I'm not, And I have
to look at this. Maybe Rob G can check this out.

(13:21):
You're right, the Patriots certainly don't bring in they don't
skilled position players. But what about on the line, on
the offensive line, I'd like to see. I don't know offhand,
but how much they pay their lineman? Do they pay
lineman more? Do they bring in more linemen second team
or so if somebody gets hurt, you know they would
just went out and got two offensive linemen. We know

(13:42):
their starting center got hurt. Right, But I'm just saying
the argument always about Brady is that how he does
more with less, but he's taking less less with skilled
position players they made. Okay, rob g what's the deal
with that? In percentage of cap the cap usage New
England Patriots to have the twenty eighth highest page of football. Okay, wow,

(14:04):
all right, So they're right what I'm saying. So they're
not I agree with you there, they're not helping him.
Uh And I'm and again I'm not saying I would
be willing to go off my pace, like off market
value like Dak Prescott. Okay, his market value is anywhere
from from thirty to thirty five, thirty six, you know

(14:27):
what I mean. Like, so if it's in that range,
it doesn't have to be thirty five. It could be
thirty two. If I'm happy, if I love the system,
if we can win, I'm willing to stay there for that.
But again, if they go below my market value they
want to pay me twenty five, that's a whole different story, right,
So you're right though, it's That's the interesting thing about

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the Patriots is uh they they have as much as
Brady's taking less money, they haven't used it to go
out and get the superstar players or or in front
of them. You know what I mean? To me, that
makes no sense. I think that. Well, they keep winning though,
no I know, But I'm just saying it's not unfair
to ask Brady to take a cup when you're not right,
when you're not using that money to help him get better.

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That I do agree with you there, because these billionaires
got money to burn. All right, You're turned away. In
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does loyalty? Should loyalty exist in the NFL? Should these
players be loyal to these teams to the point of

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to what goes down on TV theme show Thirsty. It's
all right, I'm I gave him a little, a little
room at some point. This is curb your enthusiasm. Oh right, yeah,
I got some, I got some. Mean, I'll give you
a little more leeway. You don't even have to play
the God that ain't good enough? That a play every week?

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You know, we played at Jefferson's every week. I played
Good Times every week. Play those as well, not every week.
We like variety, We like you know what we have
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All right, robs should loyalty exist in the NFL. Let's
see what the listeners think. All right, let's start with
Charles in Atlanta. You're on the odd couple Fox Sports Radio?
What's up, Charles? Hey? What's going on? Robin Chris maning
that man? I'm going good. We're gonna to join your
our first thing first, we need to be on that more. Hey, Charles,

(17:20):
thanks my brother. Yeah, can you get off the speaker
phone or whatever. Put the phone to you. He lounging
on this sofa like ten feet away from the speaker.
It just doesn't sound good. That's your point there. We
lost him. Call back. Marty in Kentucky. You're on the

(17:41):
odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Marty? Hey?
How's it going? Brothers ain't doing the Thursday? It was great?
It's party Hardy, Marty. That's right. Um, I'm gonna give
you an opinion and I hope this never happened, because
I'm such a football fan, I'd hate to have it happen.
But when I look at things, I always try to

(18:03):
put myself in other people's shoes, and the players should
not take discounts. In fact, if I were the players,
they should unite and strike because they're not getting the
piece of the pie that they should get and they
need to wait till that Falary cap goes up and
rookie running backs contracts or restruct you. And that's how

(18:23):
I feel if I'm in their shoes. Marty ain't get
right on the money, Chris, and I agree with you
one and the only way you gotta be willing to
fight and give up something to get something, Chris is
really simple. You're right, and I do agree, I mean
we both do with Marty. Look, they're getting forty seven
percent of football income football revenue, and as you and

(18:44):
I have said, right, that doesn't even include everything. No,
it doesn't include all of luxury suites and a lot
of the other big money that's not in the mix.
So they get it. They should be getting at least
fifty percent of everything the NBA players, and I think
more of their stuff is included in the basketball related
income to in the NFL. Here's the challenge though, and

(19:07):
as much as I agree with you Rob and Marty,
the challenges this for football. It is different baseball. I
know I can probably if I'm a decent player, I
can have a longer career basketball. I can have a
longer career football. I can be a solid player and
maybe still only play four years, get hurt, you know

(19:28):
what I mean, like the window and even if you're
for the most part the better players, your careers aren't
quite as long as the other sports, just because it's
so physical. So I do get it from that standpoint.
But at the end of the day, they got to
make a standard. They complain. I've talked to the NFL
players and they look at these contracts. That's just a

(19:49):
mediocre player in the NBA get eighty million, ninety million,
and they got stars getting less than that in the
NFL and what it might be getting thirty six gallantee.
That's all it is. And the bottom line though, Chris
and I understand about the short careers and whatnot, but
if you stick together, stick together and shut down the

(20:11):
game as a whole, they can't penalize the lesser guys.
Do you see what I'm saying? But you gotta be
you gotta be united. You gotta all be there together.
Taylor in Nebraska, you're in the odd couple of Fox
Sports Radio. What's up, Taylor? Hey, gentleman's man, what's happening? Good?
All right? So this is more of a radical idea.

(20:32):
How about no salary cap at all across all professional sports?
Well there's none right baseball, you see. I mean, but
they got the revenue sharing with the TV. So I
do think that salary caps are can be a good thing.

(20:52):
I mean, if you didn't have salary if you didn't
have salary caps in the NBA, you might the Knicks
and the Lakers might have. I mean, you think it's
been lopsided the past few years, Rob, I mean, if
there's no salary cap, then I think it could really
be lopsided and just destroy some of these smaller market teams. Well,

(21:13):
I just I don't think that this really necessary. Everybody
has a limit, you know what I mean, whether it's
stated or not. The only reason salary caps came into
play was owners were trying to police themselves. They didn't
want to, right, they didn't want the other owners to
up the market, so they put caps on it so

(21:34):
that one guy doesn't blow the market out of the
water by offering the guy too much money, and then
they have to own up to pay their own guys
and the same bay. You see it, Rob, a lot
of people complaining. I used to feel this way to
the past, you know, a couple of decades. I felt
this way about the Yanks. I didn't blame the Yankees
because they weren't breaking the rules, but I just felt

(21:55):
like it was unfair. I mean, they could spend so
much more money than some of these smaller market teams,
and yeah, I know you're gonna shoot back, but the
Yankees didn't win it every year, you had Kansas City,
You've had these other teams come out of it. But
I could say the same thing about the NBA the
last few years. But you know, I can say Cleveland
won one, Dallas one one when the Big Three era,

(22:16):
obviously San Antonio, who Toronto. But you're so those things happen,
Like I get what you're saying, Rob, even though we
argue about it. When you say it's been lopsided in
the NBA, and Golden State had all the talent or
Cleveland had all the talent. I get where you're coming from.

(22:37):
But I can still push back and say, these other
teams did win titles, but those were It's still the
feeling overall was that these few teams were the only
ones that could win. And I think it's been that
way in baseball for a while because a lot of
times these teams that they groom these young players in

(22:58):
their own system, but then when it comes time for
them to be a free agent. The Yankees, the Red Sox,
the Dodgers, one of these big market teams swoops in
and picks them up. But the only thing, and this
is the last thing I'll say on this, the only
thing to push back on that is that when you
look at the highest contracts ever signed in baseball, the
Yankees haven't signed any of them. It was the Rangers

(23:20):
with a Rod, it was the the Anaheim Angels, it
was the Philadelphia Phillies. I mean, they don't even they
don't own any of them, even with just the outfielder
was hurt um Stantons. Didn't he signed that with Miami.
All the big the Yankees haven't signed. But it didn't
work out for those Nobody's sting in. The Yankees swooped in,

(23:42):
and we can handle that that but you know what
I'm saying. But but they didn't sign any of those deals.
You would think that the Yankees would because they have
way more money than everybody, but ultimately they haven't. But
you see their payroll though, oh it's over, it's two
hundred million, but it's not ridiculous for a team that
amount of money that they earned. All Right, the football
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nine four seven aut O. The only hard part is
figuring out which way is easier and Rob as we
wait for Greg Jennings to join us, Jay Glazer, who
we know is one of the most plugged in people
in the NFL. O BJ, you remember that he caught
that trade and he got ripped, and then of course

(24:50):
it came true. He's saying that he does expect Ezekiel
Elliott back before week at one. Now he's not sourcing it.
He's not saying it's definitely gun, but just and talking.
He said, you know, just sit from talking to people
in the situation in the Cowboys. He thinks he'll be
back for week one. What is your feeling on this?

(25:11):
You think that'll be the case. I'm still not sure.
I think because of what's at stake and my thing,
and I've said to you, Chris, is the reason that
they should have them back is because they have an
easy schedule to start and you don't want to give
away any games. You only got sixteen. All of them
matter big time. And if I'm the Cowboys, I don't

(25:33):
want to go in under man. I just I don't
want to give them any chance at winning and not
being at full strength. So I would make sense to me,
if the Cowboys a series and they're trying to win,
Chris right, trying to make them run to the super Bowl,
that they should have their full squad. I hear you.
But if I'm in Jerry Jones's shoes. I gotta be honest,

(25:54):
I'm willing to take that, try take that risk, because
I think if we're really as good as I think
we are, and I'm speaking like I'm Jerry Jones, and
we really are a super Bowl contender, then I'm sorry.
We should be able to beat the New York Giants
who are rebuilding, the Washington Randskins who are rebuilding, and
the Miami Dolphins who are rebinking. Even without our they

(26:17):
all stink. You're right, so we should be able to
beat Now, if I lose the first game or barely
beat the Giants and our offense is horrible, can't move
the ball, then I'm going to get Zeke. I'm not
saying I'd let it play out for three games, but
I would be willing to go into the season without him,
thinking at what we've got is really good elsewhere, and uh,

(26:42):
you know I would take that chance. So let's bring
in Greg Jenny's Super Bowl champion Fox NFL analysts. What's up, man,
you're trying to avoid the hide couple? Nah? Man? Never
you know, you know I love you too, especially especially
last time. What you try to say. Well, look, let's

(27:06):
get right to it. We were just talking about Ezekiel
Elliott and the Cowboys. I've said, look, Rob and I
both hope Zeke gets his money, and he's the top
pay running back in the league. I'm sure you probably
feel the same way. But if I'm Jerry Jones, I
can understand why Jerry might be willing to start the
regular season without him, and the leverage is gonna swing

(27:26):
one way or the other towards Zeke or towards the
Cowboys when the regular season starts. What's your take on it?
Do you think the Cowboys can afford to start the
regular season without Zeke? I mean yeah, because we haven't
seen them play any actual regular season game, so I'm
gonna of course say yes if they're if we're thinking
about their long term goals of being a Super Bowl contender?

(27:50):
Can can they be that without Zeke? I'm not sold
on them as much as I am if he's in
the lineup. So with that, they don't want to they
don't want to play without Ezekiel Elliott. But I've always
been of this mentality that with him being under contract

(28:11):
for two more years, he does not have the moment,
he doesn't have the leverage Everyone wants to say Ezekiel
he does have leverage. He does not, he would he
will have more leverage or some leverage are created if
they get off to a slow start and we start
to identify how much they need him and Dak Prescott

(28:32):
isn't able to do what he's trying to do to
get paid as well. So the Dallas Cowboys need Ezekiel
Elliott in camp in the lineup when the season starts.
I think they'll try to get it done. I'm not
sold on them getting it done though. Now, yeah, Greg
is my reason. Chris and I disagree on it, but

(28:53):
my reason is just the schedule looks easy on the
way to start the season of first three games, but
you want to be a full strength You don't want
to lose a game that you probably should win because
you don't have your full team or you don't have
one of your best players, if not your best player.
I mean, it's just slippery slope because if you lose
a game or two, that might be the difference between

(29:15):
winning the division and playing for the wild card. Absolutely,
I agree with you one hundred percent. When you think
about the games that you when you're a Super Bowl
contending team, you win the games that you're supposed to win,
and you want to be at full strength. With the
Dallas Cowboys not having these Degrelli in their lineup, they're
not at full strength. So and you're playing a division

(29:35):
on part who knows your quarterback best, who knows your
offensive system best. Even though you've changed coordinators, you might
have some new wrinkles. They're gonna catch up and be
more equipped to challenge you defensively and offensively more than
any other appointment you faced because their division rivals. So

(29:56):
with that, you definitely want to be at full strength,
and any game you dropp early in the season that
you should win comes back to bite you at the
end of the regular season. Greg, let's switch to your
old team, the Packers. What type of year do you
expect from Aaron Rodgers and the team and how do
you think the marriage between Rodgers and Matt Lafleur is
gonna work. You know, I expect a really good year

(30:19):
from Aaron Rodgers. I mean, the year that he had
last year was impresses. I think he's going to build
on that, being that hopefully he's healthy for a full season,
and I know they hope that as well. But the
relationship that he has with Davante Adams, and he's developing
with these young recebers, and he's developing also with Jimmy

(30:42):
Graham as well as the head coach, Matt Lafloor. Is
going to grow over the course of the season. But
because you have a guy like Aaron Rodgers that can
sit back, have everything under control, basically run your offense
without you having to have versay or do anything. You're
gonna be right there in line. And then you have

(31:04):
a defense that hopefully can get you the ball back,
can create some turnovers and get some stops that they
haven't been able to get over the last few years.
What about the I'm just lost my train and thought,
I'm sorry, Greg, So let me ask you this quickly.
We're going joined by Greg Jenny's Super Bowl champion. Uh

(31:25):
do you got you have the Packers in the playoffs?
I mean I was looking, I was making my playoff
picks today and the NFC, man, it's hard to pick.
If you ever making it well ahead, it's tough because
they do have the best quarterback in that division. They
always will have a chance. And so but having said that,

(31:48):
I like the Vikings. I like the Bears. I don't
know if the Bears are able to do what they
did last year. UM with you, when you lose a
defensive coordinator like the Fans Santio, that's going to hurt them.
Although they have the personnel to still compete and win
ball games, it's going to be a challenge with everyone

(32:10):
now seeing Mitchell Jubrisky another year with that offense, and
their their new coaches now going into the year two.
So I like the Packers making the playoffs just because
of Aaron Rodgers. But all right, here's my thought was
the Kirk Cousins and the Vikings. So so you said

(32:31):
you still like the Vikings, you think that they're good enough.
Does that hinge on Kirk Cousins or not, because it's
not only about Kirk Cousins. Is about the rest of
the team and what they have. Yeah, it definitely is
about the rest of the they have. I definitely I
like Kirk Cousins in the regular season. I was speaking
with someone earlier today. He hasn't proven that he could

(32:54):
win the important game and so until then we're gonna
jury's gonna be out. But he does have a healthy
Dalvin Cook, which is going to alleviate some of that
pressure off of him in the defense that hopefully can
stay healthy and can get back to form that they
were two years ago. Greg, we got thirty seconds left.

(33:16):
I'm picking Jacksonville in the AFC South. I thought the defense,
I know, late the middle of the year, they really
fell off, but it wasn't terrible. They still were like
top five in points allowed. And I think a lot
of that was because Blake Bortles just deflated them the
defense because he was so bad at quarterback. Do you
think with Nick Foles that that's a team that can

(33:38):
can have a bounce back year. That is definitely a
team that can have a bounce back year with the
defense that they have anything. The hard challenge about defense
really quick is that when they know they have to
win the game both scoring defensively as well as stops,
it's gonna put live pressure. And that's what they went
through last year. So they took a step back. But

(33:59):
with Nick posing able to put points on the board
this year, that's the team I would love to I'm
gonna love to and enjoy saying them play. Well. Let
me say this one last thing. Nick Foles turns into
a Pumpkin as a starting quarterball. Remember what I told
you he loved Blake Bortles last year. I love I
love what Nick Foles did against Tom Brady and the

(34:20):
Patriots in the Super Bowl. But we've seen him as
a starter of Greg and I'm twenty one and six.
He's gonna turn into a ki He's gonna turn into
a part his rookie year. All right, it's gonna be
interested in to watch grand great stuff is always, Man,
look forward to seeing you up in FS one soon. Man. Absolutely,
Thanks you guys. All right, sometimes in sports you're gonna

(34:40):
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(35:04):
like Star Wars or something Star Trek, next Generation, Trek,
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it's my childhood. What's that? Next generation? Yeah? All right? Rob?
College football starting tonight and I'm upset because I wanted
to watch Clemson. Clemson is the overwhelming pick at number

(35:28):
one right now in the preseason, and they play tonight
Georgia Tech. I believe acc game, and uh it's not
on national television, which just blows my mind. Don't understand it.
But anyway, Clemson and Alabama one and two in the
polls and rob the last four years, Clemson or Alabama

(35:52):
has won the national championship the last four years, and
in three of those four years they've been one two.
Do you think it's a good thing for college football
that these two teams are so dominant? I don't think
we've ever seen an era where two teams dominated college

(36:17):
football so much more than the other teams. And let
me throw this final point in before you answer. Pundits
have these teams not only do they rank them one two,
but they believe they are seven points better at least.
This is the oddsmakers. The oddsmakers believe Clemson and Alabama

(36:37):
are each at least a touchdown better than any other
team in the country, a touchdown at least better than
Ohio State, a touchdown at least better than Georgia, LSU, Michigan,
Notre Dame, the other powerhouses out there, if I can
call them that, because they get taken to the woodshed
when they play Clemson in Alabama. Is this a good

(36:59):
thing for college football? I don't think so. And I
get I'm all about a dynasty, and when you have
a great team put together, they win three in a
row or three out of four or whatever. I get
the dynasty thing. But when the same two teams are
at it over and over and nobody else, you know,

(37:21):
is really in that mix, I think it starts to
wear on people. And people they still love college football games, right,
but but but it's like I've seen this movie, Chris,
I've seen how this thing goes. And last year, right
in the championship game, right, which was a blowout, right,

(37:41):
Clemson blew out Alabama, right right, blow out the TV
poor TV ratings. Right, It wasn't like let's watch this
because we're watching history. We're watching this great team and
we all want to, you know, on at Clemson and
how good they are. People just turned it off. They
didn't care. Yeah it was. It was like the lowest

(38:02):
rated title game in the five year postseason. Uh you know, system,
Yeah it was. And that's what I'm telling you, is
that that's people saying this ain't nothing special. People stick
around for something that's special. Would you agree with that? Yeah,
And I'm with you on I'm not against dynasties, I think,

(38:23):
but there's a difference between a pro dynasty and a
college dynasty. And the difference is that in the pros
it's generally the same players. Right, it was time, It's
Tom Brady. In New England, it was Lebron James. They
didn't really have a dynasty, but Lebron James, Michael Jordan's,
Steph Curry, Kevin Durant. They're say, similar team, similar players

(38:47):
are the same players. In college the players change, and
when two teams still dominate but the players are changing,
I think that just makes it worse that that kind
of takes away from the romance of a dynasty. So
I would like to see someone else get in there
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let's go from pro football to college football and SEC

(39:58):
Network analyst Paul Findbaum he uh, I don't believe he
uh he's He's been critical of Jim Harball before, and
I like Paul a lot. He tells it like it is.
He tells it like he sees it, especially when talk
comes to Jim Harball. Yes, yes, yes, and uh. He

(40:21):
had a few pointed things to say about Harball. Here's
here's one. I think part of it comes from people
in the South not really believing Michigan is worthy of
all the conversation that they get to me. Michigan always
seems like that guy at the end of the bar
that is just running his mouth and then he sneaks

(40:45):
out because he knows he's about to get clocked. I
just don't think there's a high level of respect for Michigan.
Here's the other thing he said about Harball in particular.
If you're on the street in New York and find
someone who cares about college football, the topics are usually
Nick Saban. Is there anybody that can beat them? Is

(41:07):
it Clemson? Beyond that, Jim Harball comes up probably next,
and that's because he's one of the best known coaches
in football, primarily because of what he did with the
forty nine ers. Rob, you have definitely been critical of
Jim Harbaugh. What do you think of what Finebaum said?

(41:30):
I'm lockstep with him. I think he's way overrated. I
told you I've called him the mccote the most overrated
coach of all time. That is Jim Harball mc oat.
And that's because Chris he's paid like he's won of
He's in the top three of the pay scale. Yet

(41:52):
all the other people that you talk about in the
top three, they've won more show I don't think so.
I think there are coaches who in college Yeah, because
we've talked about this, No, Rob g. Gold, can you
look at there are clear they all one they've won championships.
He hasn't won one. He hasn't won one on any level.

(42:15):
That's all I'm saying is that's why he's just way overrated.
And the whole Michigan thing, even Bullshem Beckler and I
know people are, oh my god, how could you talk
about the great Bullshem? He never won? You hear me?
Because she was a great coach. But he never won.
He never He wasn't a great coach. No, he never won.

(42:36):
Stop it, stop it. It was back then. It was
the big two in the and the and the other eight,
the little late in the big ten. Everybody knows it.
It was a Michigan was the great tea. Yeah, but
how come he one couldn't win a national championship? They
didn't win on the Bullship. Don't mean he wasn't a
great coach. And I'm with you on that though, that
he didn't win. They won one national title and that

(42:58):
was that. Teams have been played, know what that was?
That was a nineteen ninety seven and that was a
shared title? Was it win Nebraska? What was who was that?
With the right? With Martin? Right with Nebraska? It was
a shared title. They haven't even won an outright national championship.
For all the great stuff about Michigan, all the great
players who have come from come through there. For the helmet,

(43:20):
I get it, the tradition, the big house, all of
that stuff feels good when it comes to college football. Okay,
I get it, Chris. But they haven't won, and everybody
makes a big deal about Michigan. And you got it.
At some time, at some point Antie up last year,
they were ready to do it. They went to Ohio State.

(43:43):
They were supposed to win that game finally and move
on right, and they got their butts kicked in the
big game. Rob Gene, give us the salaries the top
five highest paid coaches in college football. Okay, so they
haven't released it for this upcoming season either. We sit
around October, disregard Urban Meyer number two. So it's Nick

(44:03):
Saban championship, Jim Harbaugh, no championship, jimbo Fisher championshipionship. Not
where he's at now though, Gus mals on championship rights.
This was my point in Kirby Smart, who has been
in the playoffs at least once, championship, No, but if
you but if you go, but sugarcoating, not sugarcoating it.

(44:27):
But that's my point is all those guys and you
took out uh urban Meyer, right, that's another guy who's
won championship multiple So all I'm saying is for him
to be in in that pay scale and be in
the top three. Chris without without winning anything is about
his name, what he did in the NFL, and I
get it, But he still has never won a big game.

(44:49):
To me, well, I look, obviously he has not delivered
in the big games. He's won in eight against top
ten teams at Michigan, and I'm with you and all
that that says. Year was embarrassing against Ohio State. Okay, Now, however,
I have defended hardball in that and and Finebaum said it.

(45:12):
He gets praised because of what he did at San Francisco,
and what he did at San Francisco with the forty
nine ers was exceptional. He gets praised for that because
he did a great job that win that a team
that hadn't been in the playoffs in eight years, a
team that was six and ten the year before he

(45:33):
got there. And he immediately turns him immediately and leads
him to the conference championship or you know, game three
straight times in the conference championship game, one trip to
the super Bowl. Now, you're right, he didn't win the
super Bowl, but he did a great job there. And
then Michigan, again, you're absolutely right, has not won the

(45:54):
Big One, but he has returned that team to national
RELI vince all right, that team before he got there,
in the previous seven years, they were ranked in the
top ten one time at any point in the season.
They were ranked in the top ten one time. In
the five years he's been there, they've been ranked in

(46:15):
the top ten four of those years. If what I'm
just saying in college football, and I'm with you, he
has not won the Big One. And Michigan is not
that upper crust Alabama, Clempson, now Ohio State. You know,

(46:36):
they're not up on that level of program. They're right
the notch below. And because, like you said, their greatest coach,
Bullshon Bleckler, never won a title, right, but he's celebrated,
and I think rightly so because he was a great coach.
But that's the history of Michigan, though, is not winning
big and people like going gaga over people. I get it.

(46:59):
You get a one hundred and six thousand, Is that
what the attendance is one hundred and one, one hundred
and ten thousand a week, which is a big and
a great college. You know ann Arbor, Chris, you know
all about ann Arbor. Your daughter goes there. You should
be requesting a refund paying the money for Jim Harball.
You know what I'm saying. You don't want your money back.

(47:20):
You're paying all that money for your daughter and not
paying for her to go watch football games. Oh thank god,
because you know what you would be getting a refund. No.
I mean, look, I'm realistic, all right. I understand everybody's
not gonna win the national championship to know, that's what
they want to do at Michigan, but they've The fact
is they've won one national title in their entire football existence,

(47:42):
and that was mythical well ninety seven. Yeah right, I
mean you're right, and I think they didn't. May Man
have won something in the forties and some Yeah. The
only problem that was when they used a pig for
a football, like they didn't even have a real ball
back then. But what I'm saying is I remember, and
you noticed too, Rob, growing up in Ohio, Michigan was

(48:07):
a national power. Now they weren't. They didn't win it ever,
but they were always relevant. They were always one of
those top teams in the country, and they had fallen
away from that, and hardball has returned them to that. Now.
You're right if he if he can't win the big one,
maybe even this year, maybe you have to move on.

(48:28):
But there's something to be said for being relevant. Here's
something I ask you. If they lose to Ohio State
again without Urban Myer, what would that say? Remember that
game is in the Big House this year. Try to
go to that game. Are you gonna go? Yeah? What
is that? It's right, it's Thanksgiving weekends, so I think

(48:48):
we're gonna be there. Oh that would be great. I'll
be out of the country. But otherwise I think I
was that when you're going to Antarctica you're celebrating Thanksgiving
with the penguins. Yes, really, you're gonna be an article
or Thanksgiving. I think I'll beat there, like either the
day before whatever. Yeah, I'll be what you're gonna do
for Thanksgiving dinner? Either penguin maybe? Oh my gosh, they

(49:15):
made more power to you. Yeah, but I would go
with you to that game if I was gonna be
around but I'll say this, this is a huge game
for him. And then even if he wins, Chris, does
he get full credit? What does it Ryan Day, their
new coach, Does he get full credit because he's beating
Ohio State? But without Urban Meyer? Do you know what

(49:35):
I mean? Like the people say, well, of course you
want Irbant. Meyer's not coaching, and if you don't win,
people come down on you. It's almost to a lose lose.
I wouldn't go that far. I get where you're coming
from because obviously Ryan Day's unproven, although I think he's
gonna do a great job. We saw last year he
did well when Meyer was suspended, right, But it would

(49:57):
look beating Ohio State no matter what. But it would
be great for Michigan obviously for Hardball. But if they lose.
If they lose, you know, because here's the thing we know,
look and hardball's benefited from this and been an example
at times of it. We know how important of all
the three major sports, coaching is the most important in football.

(50:20):
Wouldn't you? Would you agree with that? Yeah, Well, because
the coach makes the most different because there's a scheme
and there's a whole idea of high recruiting. I mean,
they're recruiting all the sports, but in football, pro and college,
the coach has a huge thing to do with how
successful his team is. So you're right in that if
a rookie coach comes in and beats him at home, yeah,

(50:43):
that would say a lot. I think I think the
Natives would be rutsless, you know what I mean that
they would they would go, oh wait a minute, what
is this? Okay? So now Herban Meyer leeds and we
still can't beat Ohio State at home? No less, that
would be a huge and a lot of people thought
that he was ready to move on anyway. I just
wonder how long will he stay there if he figures out, now,

(51:06):
now what urban Meyer gone, there's a chance he could
just stick around, you know what I mean, Chris, and
figure well, where would he go to? The still to
be the NFL. He could still get back to the NFL. Yeah,
I mean, if he wants to do that brothers do
in the NFL and he had success, no, I know
he could go back there, but I'm just saying I
don't know that he wants to. He's secured it Michigan.

(51:28):
Like I said, it's long they haven't won the national
championship or other than the one, and so he's got
job security there. I think you've been calling for his
firing for a couple of years. Yeah, so he's obviously
got some security there as long as they're pretty good.
But I'm with you. Look they you know, it was

(51:48):
a big deal made about him when he went there,
big deal made about how much he can recruit and
all that. And he's a quarterback. They may not beat
Alabama or Clemson, but you gotta win the Big Ten.
You gotta win the Big ten rivals. You know that
John Cooper couldn't beat Michigan for the most what happened

(52:09):
the Ohio State, Right, So I get where you're coming from.
I just, you know, I look at it a little differently.
I don't think just because you don't win the national
Championship doesn't mean you're a great coach. But uh, look
it's time for Hardball to put up or shut up.
There's no doubt about that. So we will see this.

(52:30):
This could be the year. All right, it's the eye
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(52:53):
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(53:20):
Welcome back, Hotter. It was a great show. Who was
your favorite sweat hog? Uh, that's a good question. I
was gonna say probably horse Shack. Really, yeah, he was
kind of kookie. They all were great. I liked Epstein,
he was a tough guy, obviously. John Travolta, Right, John
Travolta was like twenty years old player, high school guy, right,

(53:42):
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The NFL and their players Association met today. I believe
it was today, right, robbed you? Or was it yesterday today? Okay?
And they talked about the things we've been mentioning, getting

(54:27):
rid of preseason games, shortening it whether it be to
two games, to three games, or to one game, whatever
it might be, but shortening the preseason. And they did
talk about adding a playoff game, so that would mean
instead of six teams from each conference, it would be
seven that made the playoffs, so that as the game

(54:49):
that would make up theoretically for the lost revenue from
a preseason game being or more being canceled. The one
the sticking points, of course, is that the players want
a higher share of the revenue and the owners don't
want to give it, which to me just smacks of greed.

(55:10):
No deal, then, don't make a deal with of greed
because these owners are billionaires, billionaires and there this this money,
This isn't even their real money. I mean, they're gonna
make a ton of money off the appreciation of the franchise.
But don't get done, their money is coming from their
other business. Don't get it twisted. Though, not everybody, not everybody.

(55:33):
Remember the Giants brought the Giants owners bought the team,
their families brought the team for five hundred dollars back
in the thirty Do you know that's how much? Yes,
that's how much they pay for the New York Giants
back then, five hundred dollars. And what would they be
worth if they sold them three four billion dollars? Yeah,

(55:54):
at least can you imagine that investment a five hundred
dollars investment to a three or four billion dollars need
that type of investment? I mean, But anyway, so that's
where they're at right now. But what I want to
ask you about, I'm warming up to the idea. I
don't like eighteen games at all. I do think the

(56:15):
players could be coerced into doing it, you know, if
the league gave them some things like maybe healthcare, you know,
better health insurance, you know, more higher percentage of the revenue.
But I'm I'm kind of warming up to keeping it
a sixteen game season and adding one playoff team in

(56:37):
each conference. I don't need it. I'm happy with the
way things are, but it wouldn't kill me if they
had seven teams from each conference instead of six. I
like it the way it is. I don't think there's
anything wrong with the playoffs. I think that's nothing more
than the money grab. You don't need to add anymore,
but please tell me why. What is the reason. Well,
they would do it, we know, Yeah, that's why they

(56:59):
would do it. But it doesn't even though again I'm
fine with the way things are, adding one more team,
to me, would not cheapen the regular season. The NBA,
more than half the teams make the playoffs sixteen out
of thirty. In the NFL, it's it would be. It's

(57:20):
now twelve out of thirty two. So if you went
to fourteen out of thirty two, that's still well over
half of your teams are not making the playoffs. So
I don't think it would be. It wouldn't cheapen the
regular season, and I think that's what you want to
fight against. Yeah, I just think it's unnecessary. Leave it
the way it is. It's working. Playoffs A grade wild

(57:44):
Card weekend. We just don't need another game. It's just
like when they added the Thursday Night too. Sometimes too
much is is not is not good just because you
can do it. The Thursday night game is turned into
not nearly as good as people thought. Oh it's great
to have another another game on Thursday night, and the

(58:04):
players don't like it because of recovery, and they've been
some some bad. At one point, the Thursday night games
where nearly as good. Now last year we got him
here at Fox, and they got a good slate of games. Right,
the games they're good. It'll be fine, right, But I'm
just saying I do look forward to those Thursday Night games.
But it was a lot. Yeah, they just tend to

(58:24):
not be great games. But here's the thing. The players
are gonna want the extra playoff game. They gonna want
the because that that gives more teams, that gives you
a better chance of winning the championship. But I thought you,
but you don't get paid during the playofs. You get packed.
But they still I wouldn't want to play eighteen regular
season games. But if I'm a player and they're gonna

(58:47):
add just one team to the playoffs, I would be
excited about that because I would want a bet, I
would have a better chance to win in the championship,
and so I think that the players could go for that,
and I wouldn't against Again, I'm fine with the way
things are, but I would much rather add take away
a preseason game or two and add a playoff team

(59:10):
and game. I'd much rather that than an eighteen game
regular season. I'm against both. I just say, leave it
the way it is. But so leave the preseason like that,
because that's the whole You're right, it's a money grab.
Nobody's gonna sit there and say, oh, this is better
for football, it's more exciting. No, it's a money grab,
that's all it is. And if it's gonna cast it,

(59:33):
if it's gonna cost you know, if that's what it
takes to get rid of some of these whack preseasons,
just guld, just get rid of them. To just have
you you do scrimmages, which the way they're doing it
would have two teams scrimmage against each other for a weekend, Chris,
and use that twice and then the other two times
you play two games. Right, that's all you can do.

(59:54):
And that's just the same way without without adding anything.
You don't have to add anything. Just take those two
preseason games away and let team scrimmage with each other. Well,
we'll see. We got a great guest coming up next.
He is one of the few people that predicted that
this quarterback was going to be the bomb. He will

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(01:00:37):
Daniel Jones really had a bright future. So let's bring
him in. Charlie Castlely, Charlie, welcome to the US happening.
This is the Odd Couple. Yes, oh, Chris Oscar Charlie
all right and he okay, all right, hey yeah, Daniel Jones. Uh.

(01:01:06):
When I watched the tape to meeting, it would jumped
out to me was his vision and anticipation. Vision to
see the defense reading go one to two to three,
anticipation throwing before the receiver broke out or picking up
the Blitz getting the hot receiver, so excellent footwork. Mechanically,
he was good when I saw him live at the

(01:01:28):
Senior Bowl. Disappointed in the arm, but other people who've
seen him more. I thought the arm was good, so
him practice this summer, but it was all short past this,
so I didn't get much out of the arm strength there.
But in preseason he's played very well. He's made all
the throws. But do you like the way, sorry, Rob,
do you like the way the Giants are handling this?

(01:01:49):
Not starting him? And you know, according to John Marra,
they hope he doesn't play this year. Yeah, suh, you're right,
having been in different eras, especially at my time with
the Redskins, where we've had a number of quarterbacks that
sat for a number of years before they had to play,
and when they played, they were ready. Aaron Rodgers he

(01:02:10):
sat for a while, when he had a play, he
was ready. So there is something to that with the
four preseason games getting plenty of playing time. But I
know I'd let Manning go. His things aren't going well.
If you go with Jones, if you're out of the
playoff hunt, go with Jones. Uh, you know, got Carson

(01:02:30):
Palmer didn't play his rookie year at all, Eli manning
down a mccamb. They didn't play until you know, midway
or late in their first year. So um, I think
there's something to that. But why is Eli even playing
if this guy is all that? In a bag of ships? Eli? Eli? Eli?
Should he still be a starting quarterback in this league?
After watching him the last three or four years? Well,

(01:02:53):
the Giants things. So I'm asking you, Charlie, he's that
definite decline when he has protection in the clean pocket,
he's not bad, but you know he checks the ball
down too much for me. Pressure bothers him. I think
what you got here is they drafted the air apparent.
He's gonna play at some point. Let's proceed this way

(01:03:15):
with Eli first, and then you know, don't put all
his pressure on him right away. Let him come in
at a time when you know he's the hero so
to speak. And maybe that's not the rate with it
put up, but you know what I mean, he lies down. Hey,
let's get the other guy in there. If the other
guy who goes in there and he struggles, then all
of a sudden you put a big burden on the guy.
It's the eye couple, we're joined by former NFL GM

(01:03:36):
Charlie Castley. Let's move the ball to more Charlie Lamar Jackson.
I know he looked pretty good, and the preseason he
looked like he was throwing the ball a little bit better.
I'm skeptical. I don't think you can run that much
and stay upright in the NFL, and I'm not sure
he throws it well enough yet. Do you think this
is going to work and they're gonna be as good

(01:03:57):
as a lot of people think they will be? In
ball some more? With Lamar Jackson at quarterback, let me
address a couple of points you made there. First of all,
I'm excited to see what this offense is going to
look like. They have said they're going to revolutionize the game,
and I'm not being sarcastic because i have a lot
of respect for Greg Roman as an offensive coordinator, So
I'm excited to see what they do. I think you'll

(01:04:18):
see a lot of formations, a lot of motion. I
think they'll keep the run pass option plays in there.
You know, when you ask them about the guy getting hit,
the answer you get is, well, what this guy is
a weapon? You want him to run the ball. So
I agree with you. I don't think there's a long
life the quarterbacks who get hit and my experiences after
they get hit a while, they want to be a

(01:04:39):
drop back quarterback and they run and throw the ball.
I'll say this, and watching them in preseason when I've
watched him, I watched him in practice. His mechanics with
his feet are much better. Not thrown from his toes.
He's got balanced to him. That's why he's more accurate.
So we'll see if that holds up as he goes
through in pressure. But he's off to a good start.

(01:04:59):
So the asking ability that you said with suspect, I
agree with you. Last year it was not very good
at all. That's why you know they got beat in
the playoffs. Now it looks better. Sometimes guys do change,
but sometimes when the pressure comes, they revert. So that's
the part we've got to see. He's passed the first
test to me in preseason. How about Kyler Murray, we
saw really not after the first game. The second game

(01:05:22):
was really bad where they just the raiders came for him.
He panicked. He didn't seemed like he was able to
handle the pressure, and that might he might see a
lot of that with as bad as the offensive line looks,
but then he looked better in game three. How have
you rated him so far this preseason? Well, I don't know.

(01:05:42):
If I don't think we've seen the offense, we're going
to see that, that's one thing. So the first game
he was five out of six and the sixth one
actually was a completion. But the receiver stuff that amounts
anybody could have made those throws. That that that that
he wasn't challenging the game we two, he's the Raiders
blitzed him and now prepared for the blitz. He didn't

(01:06:03):
play very well. He had two good plays out of
all his throws. Last week he was much better and
you know, still have a little accuracy issues on some
of the balls, which I saw that in college. I
thought Minnesota, who did not game plan for him, actually
did a great job of keeping the ball in front
of them and tackling the receivers for very little games.

(01:06:25):
His average for catch wasn't very good. Now he had
a couple of deep balls in there which were very
were beautiful throws. But when I say I don't see
that offense, and we haven't seen the offense yet to me,
there wasn't enough variety for them to score last week.
Bottom line is didn't score a touchdown. So we haven't

(01:06:46):
seen what they're going to do yet, and I think
that's where we have to wait and see. Two things happen.
When you talk to people a player or truth of comments,
you get the ball comes out quick. Okay, that's part
of the offense. And he's got a quick release. And two,
he's faster then you think he is once you got
to get on the field against them, Charlie, let's go
to Dallas. I think Ezekiel Elliot is the best running

(01:07:07):
back in the NFL, but the analytics say, you know,
he's not elite in terms of red zone efficiency, running
you know, to close out a game, things like that.
And I do think the Cowboys are looking at those
things and maybe thinking they can at least survive a
few games in the regular season without him. How do

(01:07:27):
you what do you think about Ezekiel Elliott his importance
to the Cowboys, And do you think these analytics that
kind of you know, don't don't say he's an elite
back in certain situations. You think we should just dismiss
those or that there really is something behind them. I'll
answer your question said, first of all, this guy is

(01:07:48):
an elite back. If you pay them the most in
the NFL, nobody would argue with it. He's the whole
key to their offense, no doubt when you when you
talk to people that play them. And I do this
all season long because that's what I do for the networks,
matchup match ups and games. Number one, you gotta stop Elliott,
then you want the ball in the Dak's hands. Um,
Elliott makes Cooper better because you know it's hard to

(01:08:11):
double team him. And Cooper is an excellent route runner.
He's not a great, great receiver, but he's an excellent
route runner, and that's why he gets open, which is good.
They had nobody before him, right, so I can't tell
you why. And otherwise, if I was sitting in an
office and somebody come in and said those things to me,
I said, well, let's go look at the tape and
examine why that's the case, right, because the guys are

(01:08:33):
great back So why why why isn't Why aren't those
numbers better? There's a reason for that. But let me
say this. We want him and his offense is built
around him. Now, is that going to be You know,
we've heard a lot about Kellen Moore coming in and
you know offer as a coordinator and all that is
that is he going to change? Is the offense still
gonna be so focused on Zeke under him? I know

(01:08:55):
he's talking about Dak throwing it down the field more
and more preslapp motion. Do you think you know it's
more going to have that big of an impact on
this offense with or without Zeke? I think, well, without Zeke,
I'm not sure you've got an offense, Okay, Uh, I'm
serious with that, So I don't I don't think Paulard
if I've got the name right to Memphis because the

(01:09:17):
college free agents. I've watched him and he's okay, but
it wasn't a guy who sat there and you had
a lot of wiles against them, And maybe I'm missing it.
So but I think that go back to your question.
Now I lost my train of thoughts there for a second. Well, Kelly,
Kellen Moore, you know there's a lot they want to

(01:09:37):
get done there. Yeah, I don't think you'll see a
dramatic difference in the offense. I think you want to
see more of a marrying marrying of the run of
the pass, where there was more play action, more rposh,
more standard play action, where your passes are coming off
the runs. I think that's the objective you're trying to

(01:09:58):
get out of him. I chaw. Jerry Jones has been
out there banging. I know there's negotiations that go on,
but he's been very vocal, always painting like they don't
need Zekiel Elliott. Are you a little surprised that he
has to go do this publicly? You know, Oh, you
don't need a running back who leads the league in

(01:10:21):
order to win a title. Oh zeke up. He's just
gone out of his way to me to kind of
rub it in his face or to kind of act
belittle him. Is that good for an owner an organization
to do it publicly? I never believed in it. I
believe that all negotiations should be kept out of the press.

(01:10:42):
Right now, the way let me say this, keep me
out of the press, Okay, the way I put it,
it's a general manager. But if there are times if
I felt that the picture wasn't being painted properly by
the press or the agents, I got the press together
and I gave him. I gave a whole story off
the record, so they had our side of the story,

(01:11:02):
but it came from them, not for me. Sometimes you
have to use that strategy. I wouldn't have said some
of the things that Jerry said, and that was my philosophy,
and I didn't do it that way. So, you know,
with Jerry and I probably have a disagreement on that.
I think his comments about you don't need a rushing
champion to win the Super Bowl, I think that he

(01:11:26):
is trying to paint a picture there um that you
know you don't need it. We watch you, but we
don't necessarily have to be You don't just sens deserve
the top money in the in the league. Now, if
I was believe that and I want it out there,
i'd have said it off the record, right and let
the other people get it out. Yeah. Yeah, Let let
the writers of the columnists or somebody else write then,

(01:11:48):
but not put your name to it. I don't I
don't understand Jerry, because they need Ezekieli if they want
a chance to win. And even with him on the team,
most people don't even have the Cowboys going to the
super Bowl. Even with all that. Now, I agree with you.
The one thing in all this is is Zeke Elliott
is dead wrong here. Now he has no leg to
stand on. He as a contract you should be in there.

(01:12:10):
I was told that they knew that he was not
going to come to camp, that he was not going
to put a wearing hair on his body. He was
going to come in late now right late. So if
he comes in but he's wrong here. Yeah. But the
only Charlie, the only thing I'll push back on is
that the the CBA, and I know that this is
the one that you're working under. It just doesn't work

(01:12:33):
for running backs. Those guys don't get paid. Uh, those
guys get used up and then teams used that against them.
And I understand a guy wanting it. It's unlike other positions.
After four years or five years, you're washed up as
a running back and they're looking for somebody new. Well
here's the thing now. First of all, je Upshaw had

(01:12:54):
the great line, if you're good enough, you'll get paid.
If you're not good enough, you're not going to get paid. Okay,
And that's how he answered it, And that really, to me,
is the answer. Now, what's happened. I think historically, if
people have gotten smarter on management side with running backs,
You're not seeing the guys in the third year of
their contracts where teams had dead money and paid signing

(01:13:17):
bonuses and didn't get anything, didn't get much back for
it because the player couldn't sustain himself anymore. So I
do think, you know, great facts get paid. I mean,
this guy's being offered number two money, and have they
even countered that. Have they come back with something that's
better or you know, obviously something that's reasonable. You know,

(01:13:37):
Jerry Jones has said publicly that you know, we've offered
him number two, okay, and we're willing to negotiate. Jerry
has you know, I know Jerry said some things I
disagree with, but the reality is he pays well and
he's kept his players, so you know that part counts
or something. And also, you know Zeke has not been

(01:13:57):
the model citizen here. Well, but Charlie, you gotta Dallas
has harbored a lot of guys who are felons, all
kinds of bad people, so I can't use that. We
gotta we gotta wrap it up, Charlie. Great stuff has
always been Yeah, we'll get you back on soon. All right, there,
feelix all right, that's what he said. You called, you

(01:14:22):
said that to you. You you were in conversation, he
was talking to you, and you know it, all right.
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(01:15:07):
had a rough preseason. He actually looked pretty good his
last game. But remember there was the practice where he
threw five straight interceptions. Yes, and then in the preseason
game following that practice, he was one of six for
zero yards and a pick and was lucky there wasn't
another pick. He has said though, in explaining that play,

(01:15:29):
he said he purposely throws into coverage during the preseason
and during practice because he wants to develop trust with
his receivers and see who can make plays in those
tough situations, and so on and so forth. That kind
of thing. You buying that, No way, no how stopping

(01:15:51):
there's no way you're doing that. You're trying to play well.
Why would you be trying to just throw into coverage
and do anything like that. I'm I'm buying that for
one second. I'm not so sure. I'm gonna give him
the benefit of the doubt. I mean, I'm you know,
that's the kind of guy I am. Yeah, I see right, Well,

(01:16:11):
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because one
of the Patriots I think it was a broadcaster that
said he's the worst, one of the worst practice players
he's ever seen with the Patriots. So that would tell
you we saw him in the games with the Pats
he was good in practice, But you wouldn't say he
was bad if that was his plan and the coach
knew it. So I'm do you understand why, No, you

(01:16:32):
would you could say that you could? I Mean, here's
the thing. What we know is he was seven and
oh in his first seven games, five of those games
as a starter, went to San Francisco, which was a
horrible team. He turns him around immediately last year. I
know you could say, well, he was only one and
two when he got injured in game three, but if

(01:16:54):
you look at those games, he struggled in the first
game had I think three picks, but from that point on,
he actually the last two games, it was like he
learned from those mistakes, kind of got his legs underneath
him and threw four touchdowns no picks in those last
two games. So I think this is a guy that

(01:17:16):
shakes off the rust fairly quickly, and so I'm gonna
give him the benefit of the doubt. But we'll see
what he's made of in short order here. But I'm
not gonna rip him just yet for it. Well, the
only thing bad about Garoppolo is that he did come
out and say the worst part about taking a porn
started dinner is that you have to get two approvals

(01:17:37):
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That's always a lot of fun. If he makes it
through the thirty minutes, he's in studio, right, Yeah, hanging out.
You're just trying to be funny again. I'm just saying no,
I might have to punch him out, but oh okay,
So don't don't hurt yourself. Oh no, we won't do that.
You wanna dance, that old man, you wanna dance. But

(01:21:11):
we started off the show Rob talking about some advice
that Ladanian Thomlinson gave the great running back himself, Hall
of Famer LT two square. Yes, yes, that he gave
to say Kwan Barkley, and he said he should think
like a basketball player. He said, don't there's no loyalty.
I'm paraphrasing, But there's no loyalty in this game. Get

(01:21:35):
your money, and if it means leaving a team that
you're on, then do that. It's a short window for
you to make all this money, and you should think
like Lebron James and these other players in the NBA
who go where the money is. What are your thoughts
on it? I think it's it's interesting he said that
in this time because is he killed Elliott with two

(01:21:57):
years left on his deal, is sitting out for more money?
Levian bells out out of an entire season last year
for more money, didn't get it, ended up signing for
less than he had been offered before, but he still
got some guaranteed money. And obviously Melvin Gordon for Los
Angeles Chargers sitting out as well. What do you think
about what LT told to sat Quan Barkley, Well, I'm

(01:22:21):
never I'm never forgiving up discount to billionaires and all
that other stuff. You should just get what the market
bears if you. If you're a great player and guys
who aren't as good as you as you are are
making more money than you, there's something wrong. I just
think that you should go for all you can make
every situation, or at least if you want to stay somewhere,

(01:22:44):
have them pay you your value, your worth. And I
think that's what's important. And I like LT's message, and
I love what the running backs are doing. I love
the whole notion of the CBA doesn't work for us,
and we should hold out and try to get paid
because um, they use us up and then normally don't

(01:23:06):
want to pay us. And I think that UH running
backs are getting smarter and that's why Ezekiel Elliott. He
could have just said, hey, yeah, I got two years left.
I just have to go, Hey, we got a chance
to win the Super Bowl or or contend for Super Bowl,
so I'm not gonna upset the Apple card. I'll just
play at this uh low salary, even though I've led
the league in rushing to the last three years and

(01:23:29):
the record is overwhelmingly better when I play, and the
whole UH set up about the Cowboys offense is based
around me. He could have looked looked the other way
on all that stuff and just shown up for camp
and said, all right, I'm just gonna be a good
soldier and and and uh and be a good soldier

(01:23:49):
and go back and just wait for my turn. And
he decided that he's not gonna do that because that's
not gonna work for him. Yeah, and look, I wouldn't
have been mad at him. It wouldn't have been. He
wouldn't have been wrong for just going in playing out
your contract. I mean, you know, we have contracts and
people do that. I'm not mad at him for trying
to get his money because I think they're under a
bad collective barden In agreement. But I wouldn't, you know,

(01:24:12):
say he's wrong if he had just been as you said,
that good soldiering gone in there and played. And I
agree with LT because clearly the teams aren't loyal. You
get hurt or and you're not the same player anymore,
or your game falls off. The Cowboys are a prime example.
DeMarco Murray a few years ago led the league in

(01:24:32):
Russian I think he was around eighteen hundred yards and
they let him go as a free agent, and Zeke
comes in and you know, a couple of years later
and it's just as good. So they showed you that
we're gonna use you up and when it's time, when
you're not the same player, we will go ahead and
get somebody else. So I'm with LT and I'm with

(01:24:53):
you in that taking market value is important. You got
to get your market value. Teams shouldn't insult you with
these low ball off and just try to rip you off.
But I'm not Chris. Let me say this one part
on on what you just said about that. The other
part is you owe it to the other people in
the league. When you lowball. You don't even hurt yourself,

(01:25:15):
only hurt yourself. You hurt other people when they set
the market. And then they could use you as an
example and say, well, this guy didn't take he only
took this, and and so you shouldn't take that. And
that's the other part. There's a responsibility that comes with it.
That's why Dak Prescott is not going to take Leston
Russell Wilson. He that market has been set and every

(01:25:38):
quarterback since they started paying these quarterbacks, the price goes up,
which every with every guy does. But you don't want
to take the who's the best quarterback? Tom Brady's years old,
I'm just Tom Brady bowl He's forty two years old.
Every top five quarter you go look at all these,

(01:26:01):
go look at Russell Wilson and the last Aaron Rodgers
and all those other guys can't say don't look. If
I'm a player, I get what you're saying, and there
is truth to it, but I'm not. I'm thinking about
myself for trying to That's why that's trying to get.
You know. If I'm if I'm happy and content and

(01:26:22):
I'm willing to take a couple million less because i
want to stay where I'm at. I'm not gonna let
the fact that other players, you know, how they think
about it affect me. That's why. That's why, that's why
the NFL Players Association is where they are there not
to be some solidarity. This happens. I didn't mention solidarity

(01:26:47):
because other players think this way too in other leagues.
I'm saying, if I'm happy, if I'm Dak Prescott and
I really want to be in Dallas and I'm happy there,
my market value is between thirty and thirty five million,
and Dallas offers me thirty two. I'm happy here. I
think we can win. I've got chemistry with Amari Cooper.

(01:27:09):
I'm staying there for thirty two rather than going to
somewhere I don't really want to be a team that
might not be any good for thirty four million, and
if you so be it, but you're making it like minuscule.
What if it's a bigger difference and they want you
to take eight million dollars less because they like it.

(01:27:30):
You like it here, they know you like it here.
You don't want to go anywhere, and they're gonna offer
you way under under your value. That's a different scenario.
And I agree. I'm not saying let somebody use you
and push you around. I agree with you. You have
to pay me my market value. That's I totally on
board with you, Okay, But I'm just saying I'm not

(01:27:52):
I don't have to have every last dime. I'd love
to get it, but I what would be most important
to me is being happy and comfortable in the environment
I'm in and getting my market value. It doesn't have
to be the ultimate, but getting my market value. Speaking
of when we go, we go for all negotiations, any

(01:28:13):
chance that I could get a little extra money since
you're good, No, why my market value is? You know
he's up there, rob Gear. Shouldn't Chris like offer dope?
He gonna try to use I'm a single guy, guy,
I'm traveling the world. I got kids. I'm traveling the world.

(01:28:34):
I got real kids. I'm putting no robe. You know
how many women I'm putting through college. I'm putting women
all over the country through college. I got flesh and blood.
I'm putting through college. All right, Yeah, I'm not buying
Gucci sneakers. And what are you talking about? Speaking of
Jordan's all right, did you see this story rob that

(01:28:58):
Michael Jordan? This according to Forbes, he made one hundred
and thirty million dollars last year, which is incredible off
of the air Jordan sneakers. Now, when's the last time
he played two thousand and three, It's been fifteen years.
It's been about fifteen years. And Lebron James was second

(01:29:21):
at thirty two million. Kevin Durant, I'm surprised he's just
close to Lebron. He was third at twenty six million.
But Jordan, can you believe that one hundred and thirty
million dollars? Why do you think the Jordans are so
much so far ahead of the Lebrons, the Kds, the Kyrie's,

(01:29:43):
all the sneakers that are out there to fly sneakers
that are out there today. I mean, these kids didn't
even see Michael Jordan play and they're just they're the
first in line to get his snoop sneakers, really old ones,
retro they're selling. You know, that's a great question because
normally people want the newest stuff, they want something, you

(01:30:05):
know what I mean, not not whatever the ladies says.
You know how millennials, whatever happened yesterday is better than
what happened in the past. So it is weird because
that bucks the that bucks that saying and what normally
goes down. But it's something about those sneakers and especially
the retros, uh, that are just I'm hooked. I am.

(01:30:31):
Where's the last time you bought a pair? Like three
days ago? Yeah? I just got the the cemember, Yeah,
but the semember, the white ones. I just got those.
And you know, all summer I kept saying I'm done,
I'm not gonna buy anymore or whatever whatever, and I
can't help it. Every chance I get, uh and I

(01:30:51):
see them and I still want to buy them. So
I it's something about those sneakers that are iconic, that
buck the odds that as Michael still primed, What is
it about the Jordans, Chris, you have them? What what
what moves you about them? I don't know. They're classic,

(01:31:12):
they're classic. Let me read this is this is the list.
Michael Jordan one hundred and thirty million, Lebron James thirty
two million, Kevin Durant twenty six million, Yannis onto the
Combo ten million, Klay Thompson nine, Duane Wade twelve. This
is this is how this is according to Forbes, that's

(01:31:35):
their sneaker incomes. I wonder where like Kyrie, Steph Curry
and those guys are, But yeah, the Jordans are just classic,
you know. And uh, my favorite pair I believe are
the threes. It's close. I like my I got three
that are heading shoulders. About the rest, in my opinion,

(01:31:57):
because because I'm gonna keep it real with you, I
think most most, not all, but most it might be
fifty five percent of them. The Jordans were ugly. Yeah,
so I agree with that, right, No, I a lot
of them, especially the later models, right, All the later
models nothing for me. And I never liked the jordan Ones.

(01:32:18):
I thought they were too flimsy and well at that
but at that time that's how you know. No, I know,
but but you know what I'm saying, Like I bought
a pair, I didn't like those, and as they got
to the fives and the elevens, I'm all about those
I could get. So what's your favorite pair? The fives? No,

(01:32:38):
the elevens and and what do they call that's with
the pattent leather, the concord, the capping gown ones the
black on black is white with the black pattent leather. Maren,
can you help me? What are you just sitting there?
Look it up? I the pattern ones? What my concours?

(01:32:59):
An't they called concorder? But Captain Gallant, I think my
three favorites are the threes, which the first ones with
the cement, and then the elevens as you said, with
the patent leather, and then the force like those are
the three favorites for me. I do like the twos.
When I first saw the twos with the iguana skin,

(01:33:22):
I thought they were the ugliest sneakers I've ever seen,
But then they grew on me and now I really
like you like them? Yeah? Uh? And the ones? I
like the ones. The ones weren't that all that unique really,
because remember at that time, people they had what they
called Nike dunks too, and every team Georgetown had them
in their colors, and U and LV had them in

(01:33:43):
their colors, and so they were very similar to the
Jordans at that time. But we've never seen anything like
And here's the thing, Rob, you can't say Jordan's popularity
is just because this is maybe a part of it.
But some people would say, well, when he came along,
he was like the first one with a completely signature shoe,

(01:34:04):
you know, doctor Jay. We used to call those docs,
you know, the ones doctor j Warre. But a lot
of players wore those, you know, and Magic had his
purple and gold converse and Bird had his black ones.
But Jordan came along and was really the first. But

(01:34:25):
I don't think it's just because he was the first.
I think it's because of the way he played his game.
In addition to being so effective, he was arguably the
most graceful player we've ever seen. His game just looked good.
You know. It's like you, you might be able to
do some of Michael Jackson's dance moves, Rob, but they're

(01:34:45):
not gonna look as good as Michael Jackson doing them right.
And Jordan, you might be in the Kobe or Lebron
might be at the mimic of Jordan dunk, but it's
not going to look as good as when Michael Jordan
did it. So I think some of that and uh,
it's incredible. But let's throw this out to the callers.
You know, what do you think? Uh? It's so special

(01:35:07):
about the air Jordan's sneakers? And what's your favorite pair
of Jordan robs? Are the elevens, black on blackies, the
black on black elevens? I would go with the threes,
but the elevens and the fours are right there. What
is your favorite pair of Jordan's? And do you think
do you have? I think the Jordans are the best
basketball sneakers ever robbed. Would you agree with that? Yeah?

(01:35:31):
And you know there were all the sneakers, but I
agree with you on that. Anybody got another signature shoe
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and Rob Parker on this TV theme show Thursday. What
in the world is this? You see who? Doc? Yeah?

(01:37:19):
I know, I know none of the New Ones. No,
this is Ocean, I mean, what is it? Orange County? Yeah?
Can I pull back the curtain real quick? Go ahead,
really quick, because I know that Chris and Rob we're
into Jordan's. You know, they wanted to act like they're
hipping they're in the young crowd. What this show was
like ten years ago? At Chris just said I'm out
into the New Ones? Like, come on, man, you're killing me.

(01:37:44):
What are you killing me? The Jordans after they were
most of them were fresh up through the thirteens, and
then after that they start getting bizarre. No, that's fine
whatever you think about shoes, but you can't do a
whole segment talking about how hip you guys are with
sneakers and your sneaker heads and you don't know you're
not old. And then you say on the show right

(01:38:06):
now two minutes ago, what song is this? I don't
get to the New Ones and this show is a
ten years old That's what I'm so corny? Was the
show as corny as the song a little bit. But
the point is I don't know what I know the
hip stuff, I know the cool stuff. The point is

(01:38:27):
hit me with this. Television continued after nineteen ninety five, Cribs.
I'm not so sure. You mean after the Golden Girls
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some car. Let's do that. Dbrill in Atlanta. You're on
the couple of Fox Sports Radio. What you got here?
You saw, bro Hey, Jordan's I think he do the
best form car. He made the best looking shoot. Like
with the younger guys. You know, I work at the

(01:39:09):
barber shop, so you know we beginning all flavor coming in,
so we are. But the younger guys, they don't really
respect Jordan's as much as you know the older crowd.
I ain't saying that they don't respect him in out,
but they don't hold him to that. How it's the steam,
you know, like the older crowd putting Lebron then I
put I put Kobe in. Kobe my favorite player. But

(01:39:30):
I don't buy shoes, car, they don't look good. I
actually like Kobe. I have a couple of pair yeah,
but not like Jordan's though you don't. Yeah, but they're
nice to walk around in no doubt. Thanks for the call.
How about Max and Georgia. You're in the odd couple
of Fox Sports Uh, Fox Sports Radio? All the side

(01:39:53):
of fellas. First of all, the number one producer on FSR,
Rob shout out and Showman two, thank you, Hey man
man Hey so real quick though I thought it was
just obvious. You know, his his stellar play, you know,
the last of Lifetime. The guy was six and oh
three pet three pet. I mean you just can't beat that.

(01:40:15):
The way the shoes look and feel are unbelievable. Rob
could attest to this. I think my personal favorite would
be the elevens as a classic, but my underdog, my
dark chorus would be the horizons. I really love the horizons.
They're very comfortable and breathing. The number of those the horizons,
I don't think they're a number then I know Chris,
but they kind of looks like a space shoe and
I've got three different colors, and I get nonstock compliments

(01:40:37):
on those everywhere I go. I don't know if Rob's
seen him or not. But tongue, they don't have a tongue.
It's almost it almost looks like they're a slip on,
but they're actually lacing. Yeah, I think the real quick,
real quick, if you don't mind. I thought it was
just um the marketability, like nobody ever had a shoe.
It was like, you might be able to be like Mike,

(01:40:59):
you might be able to play like Mike. You gotta
get the shoe to be that. Not was the marketing
behind their their genius, right. But but now we're fifteen
years from him, removed from playing, and the sneaker is
still the hottest seller. That's the thing that's amazing. All.
I appreciate the call, Max. How about Jeff and Virginia.
You're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Jeff? Hi, guys,
you guys are the best man I wish I had,

(01:41:21):
I wish I had three hours. I only get two.
So I'm gonna make a couple of coone calls on that. Yeah, hey,
you gotta call the PG, call the PD, Yes, sir,
Hey guys, I remember when you know, I'm in my
early fifties, so when the Nikes came out in the
late seventies, you know, and then Michael married up to him,
it was Harry to go. That's why Nik and uh

(01:41:44):
Jordan the best, no doubt about it, Jeff, appreciate. Remember
in college Jordan wore converse right right, and I think
in the Olympic indeed is Yeah. How about Ty in Denver?
You're on the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's
up till Thanks for taking my call. Appreciate traded. Yeah,
I was saying that the reason why the joined so
popular because most of the parents buy the kids shoes

(01:42:06):
because the kids had no money. So the parents the
most of the parents, they're they're older, so they joined
fans you know what the kids like Jordan's too. Yeah,
but I can see where parent would be like, you'll
get these, but then again, you could, as a parent,
gil cheaper and buy another pair instead of paying all that.
The parents like, hey, I'm not trying to spit on
that money. Go ahead, can we squeeze one more in

(01:42:28):
Rob Brandon and Cincinnati. You're on the Odd Couple of
Fox Sports Radio. Oh we could get both the Okay,
what's up Brandon? What's going on? Guys? Thanks for taking
a call. Yes, So the Jordans, man, I mean, everybody
loved the Jordan's going back. My favorite would have to
be the Twelves. I really like the new but Twelves

(01:42:49):
is like a black and almost a pair amount of
blue color. But one shoe that's really underrated that I
think might be kind of chasing the Jordans any hardaway
got a real solid collection of shoes man, You mean
the phone posits? Nah have? Of course? You know. I
have about four Para Doles and I do like them.

(01:43:09):
They were a heavier sneaker, but they are sharp. I
love them. Yeah. I mean some guys look that iverson
his first ones, remember the rebox then. I don't know
if they were the answers or the questions, but his
first ones were hot. I didn't really like any of
them after that. First ones were hot. Let's squeeze Mike
and from Los Angeles join the Odd Couple of Fox
Sports Radio. What's up, Mike? Yeah, what's up? Guys. To me,

(01:43:31):
the by far best joe best looking Jordan's are the
pattern leather all black space jams. Those are the sweetest.
They can go with the suit. You can go casual,
you can go hang out, you can ball on them.
Those are by far the best. But to play in,
bye far. I've noticed me playing in college, high school, college,
and the NBA. I think the Kobe Mama lowcuts are
the best. They got the best cushion, the best field,

(01:43:54):
and they prevent ankle sprains. So to me, the Nike
Mamba lowcuts are the Kobees are best for us to
play in. And Mike, what are the ones that I have?
I don't know the last ones he played in. I
have those, the black ones with the last one was
Kobe player. The zooms, those are the Nike Zoom my Mama. Yeah, yeah,
those are the ones I have. I loved the comfortable

(01:44:14):
as hell and I was playing those, and so do
a lot of high school, college and the NBA guys.
Thank you, Mike. I'm gonna give this. I was naming
some of the amounts that players made last year from
their shoe deals. Here's the top five. Robert, I misspoke
on it. Michael Jordan made one hundred and thirty million,
number one Lebron number two thirty two million, Kevin Durant

(01:44:34):
three twenty six million, Steph Curry four twenty million, and
then Kobe Bryant five at sixteen million. So those are
the top five. And you know what, um, Steph Curry
rebounded after those nurse shoes first came out. I actually
think a lot of this. Those were whack ovis. Those
were the worst things shoes. Look back when he when

(01:44:55):
they first came out, I thought they were run Every
time I went to the store, people like they were
running off the shelves, flying off the shelves. So they haven't. Yeah,
only they started off hot, but they don't seem as
hot now they are running off the shelves at ross.
That's the only problem. Stop it. One of the biggest
stars in sports might be making a comeback. We'll get

(01:45:17):
to that and so much more. Controlling a Rolling with
Martin White that's next. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker
weekdays at seven pm Eastern, four pm Pacific. Tom Brady,
He's done. Aaron Rodgers did not have a Pro Bowl season,

(01:45:39):
China gets me. It's trolling or rolling. That's right, Chris,
This won't be easy. It's trolling and rollings. I'll break
it down for you real quick. If the boys liked
the story that I say, you'll hear the roll sound
they see me rolling. And if they don't, you'll hear
the troll sound. Oh man, hey, hey, hey, hey hey.

(01:46:04):
Now let's get right to it. The Brooklyn Nets have
had a dream offseason, signing Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving.
But of course when you signed stars like that, you
have to make some concessions to keep them happy. Now,
the Nets already signed Kevin Durant's good friend DeAndre Jordan's,
but now there are reports that Katie and Kyrie want
the Nets to add another one of their buddies. That's right, Carmelo,

(01:46:25):
Anthony Rob are you trolling? Are rolling? Mellow with the Nets?
I'm rolling with it, just just from this damnpoint. Obviously
Durant's not gonna be there, right, they got a spot. Uh.
Carmelo was born in Brooklyn, He's from was born there,
and he can just cold it, keep the seat warm,

(01:46:50):
keep the seat warm until kd is ready next year.
So I wouldn't have a problem with that if they
bought that, But he'd have to know what his role
is and be cool with it. Uh, Carmelo probably could
do that. I have no issue with that. Man. I
hate to say it because I love Mellow, but I'm
trolling it. Oh man, look at you. It's over. He's

(01:47:12):
a Hall of Famer. He's an all time great, you know,
lower level but still an all time great. It's seventeenth
year holding a seat war for Kevin Durant and Mellow
and and I loved it. I'm not mad at Mellow
for this mentality, but he's he's one of those guys

(01:47:32):
that like it's like I'm a star. I'm not trying
to go in and be a role player. And he
may be saying it right now, and I'm cool with
any role. But when he gets out there and he
looks at Spencer Dinwiddie who can ball, and he looks
at some of these other guys don't have the name
he has, he's gonna be like, I'm better than them.

(01:47:55):
I should be getting mine. Plus he's kind of a
ball stoppering. I don't know that that fist today style
and they shoot the three. They were fifth and three
point attempts last year. He just doesn't really fit their style.
I'm sorry. I love Mellow, He's an all time great
Hall of Famer, but no, I no trolling, rolling odd
couple Fox Sports Radio. Now we know Chad Ocho Sinko

(01:48:17):
was one of the best wide receivers in recent memory.
He's also one of those guys who's always accessible on Twitter,
so it's no surprise that current players are reaching out
for advice. But what was a surprise which Ocho Sinko's
response to watching Javonte adams film. So I'm sitting here right,
you know what, I'm crme. Ain't nothing really wrong? Running?

(01:48:43):
Oh my mom or my kids? Tears? Rob, Are you
trolling or rolling? Ocho Sinko being moved to tears over
Davante Adams's route running, I'm rolling with it. He knows
he knows something of a um um a thing of beauty,

(01:49:03):
and he loves it. So I can see. I can
see a wide receiver appreciating another guy and uh and
being moved to tears. I've been moved to tears by
some sports stuff, So I think that that's tears by
practice film. What what were you moved to tears? By? Serious?
I can't, I don't want to do I really have.

(01:49:24):
I'm not I'm not lying. I swear I was a hit.
I was a hit. You know it's baseball related. I swear.
I think all I have watched a moment like over
and over and my eyes get wet over the moment
because I think it's so awesome. Wow. I may have
I can't think off the top of my head, but

(01:49:45):
I may have been. I don't know. I really don't know.
But as far as Ojoe sink, I'm ana roll with him.
I'm not gonna diss him, because what does he get
by faking it right? Is it strange? Is it we
a little bit weird? Yeah? I mean a route running
you moved the tears. It's a little odd. But I'm

(01:50:05):
not gonna hat don't him. If he took his craft
that seriously, he knows how hard it is to run
routes that, well, then you know I'm a i'm an
I'm gonna I'm ana roll with him because I'm not
gonna dis Trolling's gonna find me crying over no route running.
I've got to say running, I don't know. Maybe like
a tough loss or even a great win, but over

(01:50:26):
practice films a bit much for us. But trolling a
rolling odd couple, Fox Sports Radio. The Kansas City Chiefs
have one of the most dynamic offenses in football, with
Tyree Hill, Sammy Watkins, Travis Kelsey, and Damian Williams surrounding
third or quarterback Patrick Mahomes. After adding former college printer
de Anthony Thomas to its wide receiver corps, it may

(01:50:46):
be the fastest position grouping in the NFL. This has
caused some fans to dub the group the Legion of Zoom,
which is clearly a playoff Seattle's Legion of Boom from
a few years ago. Rob, are you trolling? Are rolling
the Chief's new nickname? I'm trolling it? Stop man, Hey, hey, hey,
hey hey, make up your own thing. It's such a

(01:51:09):
ripoff of Seattle. It's just a straight rip off. Maybe
come up with something that that works for you and
that you could always be remembered for, rather than just
take it off on somebody else's name. I don't like
that what I'm rolling all day? You stop it, Rob Parker,

(01:51:29):
It's not a rip off. It's not Legion of Boom
it is, he shouldn't of Zoom. It's the same thing.
What then, why don't we get mad at Seattle for
ripping off Legion of Doom? But that was a movie.
And still I'm just saying, the Legion of Zoom is fantastic.
I love it. That's exactly what they are. They zoom

(01:51:51):
by you, and they're gonna zoom by when you're in
the post here, when you're in the postseason, they don't
zoom by watch it. They're gonna zoom this year, Roy Parker.
And they're gonna zoom so much that Pat Mahole is
gonna throw for more than forty touchdowns and you are
gonna owe me some wings. I love this. You know
what the number in Vegas is? We have a bad
I say he's gonna have forty or less? No, no,

(01:52:13):
no said than forty. Guess what the guess what the
guess what the number is in Vegas for over and
you bringing it up? Do you know what it is? Chris?
I don't thirty seven and a half Vegas can think
that all thirty seven and a half. I'm gonna wint

(01:52:33):
tell you he will be not gonna get forty three
to forty seven, somewhere in that range. Trust a brother
and save up your duckats. Let's do stop buying all
the Jordan's. Let's do twenty twenty win. I don't want
a large Diaco, but we have a regular dike Co
twenty wings in a tropical smoothie. How about that? We're harry,

(01:52:55):
all right, go ahead, all right, thank you. Martin White's
great job is always with rolling the rolling. I'll tell
you what I'm rolling with, Martin Weiss. Was that too
corny route? Yeah, that's corner. Martin loved it. Though they
don't call it. They don't call Rob Parker the hit
boat for enough. What we'll explain next is The Eye Couple.

(01:53:18):
Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Odd Couple with Chris Brussard and Rob Parker weekdays
at seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the iHeart Radio app. It is The Odd Couple,
Chris Brussard and Rob Parker wrapping up a TV theme
show Thursday. What is this now? This one's just for me.

(01:53:41):
Surprised this stuff. I had some modern ones, but this
one's just for me. This is for Cowboy Bebop. This
is what Cowboy bebop. It was Japanese anime on late
night here in America. It was fun. Alex would know
what I'm talking about. He's back next Thursday. Yeah, okay,
all right. Anyway, it is Chris and Robert rob Let's

(01:54:02):
end on this story. Tony Romo. Now he kind of
took the NFL by storm last year as a broadcaster,
and now there are reports that Romo wants ten million dollars.
He's done it. He's done it two years though, hasn't

(01:54:23):
he and this has he done it two years? Whatever
the case? Last year, I mean he got he's he's gotten.
I don't know if he's done it one or two
because Dak has been a quarterback for how many years
with the KEL. I just think it's more than one year.
I think it's his second year, but go ahead, whatever
the case. He got major praise, you know, both however
long he's been doing it. But he certainly got major

(01:54:44):
praise last year. You know, he was calling out plays
and they're gonna do this, and he was right, you
know a lot of the time. So people just loved him.
What did you what do you think about him? Wanting
ten million dollars, you could have for ten million dollars.
I get it. I wouldn't pay you ten million dollars.

(01:55:05):
I just think people overestimate their value when it comes
to like game coverage. Only from the standpoint, I understand
if there's a bad announcer, people might be annoyed turn
on the radio Chris to hear the radio play by
play because they can't stand the guy's voice or something.

(01:55:26):
But I don't. I don't think people tune in to
see a color analyst or a guy. I don't. I
think if they're wrong, they like their the work that
they do. They appreciate them when they listen. But I
don't think that would be the difference if I go, oh,
Tony Romo is not doing this game, so I'm not
gonna watch. I just don't think that people love sports

(01:55:46):
so they're gonna watch, right, And I'm not mad at
him if he can get it. I mean, hey, not,
Madden was getting eight million of years taking seven and
a half, right, I said, so, I don't have an
issue with them asking. I'm just saying I don't. I
would be that's their market value. Didn't you say that?
See here you go. I'm just but there's a difference
between asking. I'm not saying he can't ask for you

(01:56:08):
asking me. If you're asking me what I pay them
ten million dollars, I would say, no, would you pay
you wouldn't pay anybody ten millions? No, I just not
not on game you pay anybody eight million. I just guys, well,
if that's what the TV market is, I guess, but
I'm just saying it's not the difference. They don't factor

(01:56:29):
in on whether or not people watch it. Would I
pay h all the all the actors on Friends a
million dollars an episode? You remember when they paid every
one of them a million dollars an episode, Chris? They
had the ratings people watched, so I understood why NBC
paid them a million dollars each per episode. It was

(01:56:49):
an incredible payout. But they haven't gonna belivele what they do. Though.
I'm not belittle in podcasters due I'm not meaning, look,
and people love sports, so yeah, they're gonna watch sports
no matter what. But it does enhance a game. I'm
not saying great broadcaster, and you're right, I mean, I
don't think it's fair to say people are gonna watch

(01:57:11):
no matter what. Yeah, of course, because we love sports.
But a great broadcaster John Madden, I like Troy Aitman.
When there's a great broadcaster, you know, it does make
it a better experience. And I agree it makes you
the better listen, But it doesn't determine, uh, Skip Bayless

(01:57:31):
determines whether or not people watch a certain watch a
show or not. He moves the needles stephen A. People
like that. Those guys are more valuable because if they're
not on, then maybe people won't watch at all. And
that's what I'm saying. The difference between it's kind of
apples and oranges because there's you know, they're not competing

(01:57:54):
with games either. I mean, no, no, no, but I'm
just going to watch the game. If you put the
game on with no broad casters, no they didn't watch,
and people watched. I mean, radies might have went down.
It wasn't exciting, but or you know, I should say
it wasn't exciting, but you missed it, you missed the watch.
I watched that game that was in the eighties. I

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watched that game and it was horrendous to watch. So
you need broadcasters, and a good one definitely enhances the experience,
so I'm not mad at me. If he can get
it go ahead, you know you don't like it because
he's a cowboy or what. No, I don't have anything
against Tony Roman. A couple of Fox Sports Radio

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