August 4, 2025 • 30 mins
On today’s episode, Jason discusses the latest happenings surrounding Micah Parsons' trade demand from the Dallas Cowboys, whether we should be concerned that Chicago Bears quarterback Caleb Williams continues to struggle in training camp, and what the realistic expectations are for Luka Doncic in Los Angeles now that he's officially inked a 3-year extension with the Lakers.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up, treat Fire Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre,
Straight Fire for Monday, August the fourth. I'm back, baby,
back state side after a great week respite. I'll just
say this, it is really good to shut off the
old Twitter machine, not fire up the podcast machine, not
(00:34):
have to battle LA traffic just for one week. And
it felt good. Obviously I was on the gram. I'm
sure you guys noted.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It was a great week away. Good to be back.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It seems like, you know, I hit Rob g on
Sunday afternoon. I'm like, yo, I'm just looking for topics here.
We got Michah Parsons, we had Luca Dott. Not a
lot happening. I will say the vacation was good. We
pop down to the Caribbean. It's tough to go to
the from LA and I know these are first world problem,
(01:03):
but after we moved out here to LA, we would
go to Hawaii and Cabbo all the time because they're close,
and you know, that's what everybody in southern California goes to.
And I'm like, you know, we've kind of done this
a lot. We just changed it up so we've started
to change it up a little here lately. We did
a Aruba, which I've been to before, really nice island,
warmest ocean water ever, Like I don't like cold water.
(01:24):
I can't do cold plunges on the woofs. You just
wool in this water and it's like eighty three degrees,
which is like perfect. Were you just sitting there all day?
I got been of a sunburn and we stopped in
Miami on the way back and our soccer team, Nakoksa
played against Lionel Messi and enter Miami on Saturday. Just
an incredible experience. Of course, Messi gets hurt ten minutes
in whatever what can you do? We were up to
(01:48):
one in the ninety first minute and the legendary Jordi
Alba flicked in a header to force penalty kicks, and
we lost in penalty kicks, which sucked, but overall, an
incredible experience. The tea, the trajectory's pointing upward and then
you know you return and it's like NBA's on a shelf.
Didn't listen to one NFL NBA podcast that all. The
(02:11):
only guy listened to his prof g which some of
you know, Hey, He's outstanding, but he's nonsports. But it
was like, yeah, I've got to get back on the
workout schedule, gotta eat right, and got to start getting
ready for fantasy football. And one defense I will certainly
not be taking this season is the Dallas Cowboys. Now,
I wasn't going to take him regardless of this Michael
(02:32):
Parsons disaster. But I guess it broke Friday maybe Thursday
that Michaeh Parsons was extremely unhappy with the bulooney, the bs,
the behind the scenes garbage that Dallas has been doing,
and he has requested a trade.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Now, this has been bubbling up for what six months.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I mean, Dallas and Jerry Jones have fumbled this, just
as they fumbled almost every other player that they've had.
They wait to pay him, wait to pay him, They
tried to get a good deal and then oh look
they screwed up and have to pay top of the market.
Michaeh Parsons is now claiming, yeah, I met with Jerry
and his underlings and essentially we talked about a contract
(03:13):
and then I said, okay, I'll have my agent call you.
And then my agent called them and they're like, yeah,
we got a deal.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
We don't need to really talk to you.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well what That's just not how things work, As many
of you know, I have had contract talks with Fox
here over the last like five months, and that's just
not how it goes.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
FI.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I cannot envision Fox coming to me and saying, hey,
how about this, that and the other, and then thinking
that's a deal. I'm like, I don't need to deal
with that. I got to focus on the takes. They've
got to be hot, they've got to be scalding hot takes.
I don't have time to get in the weeds with
a contract. That's what the agent's for. So I mean,
I'm sorry, I got aside with Micah Parsons here. I
don't even know that Dallas has the leg to stand on.
(03:52):
And then Rob and again, I'm just reading about this
coming late to the party, but it appeared to me
like jay Z and Rock Nation decided to jump in
and add fuel to the flame and kind of pile
on Jerry Jones, painting him as I don't know, maybe
that's a play. You know, Hey, Jerry joneses not a
(04:12):
good deal guy. I don't even know what to do
with this. Rob other than to say, you know, this
is what happens when you've got you know, an octagenarian
trying to cut NFL deals. Jerry's way past his pride,
and the guy had a good run. It's okay to
just say, hey man, Jerry, it's time to get someone
else in here, whoever else from the Jones family, Stephen Jones, whatever.
(04:36):
But Jerry's way of business rob just does not seem
to be working.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, it's just more of Jerry bing Jerry. I mean,
Jerry has told us at every possible turn, and even verbatim,
there is nobody who would be a better GM than
me for the Dallas Cowboys. So he is gonna do
things how he sees fit and as unorthodox and quite
frankly unprofessional. These negotiations have been where he says, I'm
gonna try and negotia with Micah directly forget his agent.
(05:02):
It's actually worked for him in the past, like he
did that with a couple of guys I think one
of them was Zach Barney did that with and they
earned our deal basically face to face, and then the
agent came in later and it's like, all right, well
that's what you want, what you want, We're gonna do it.
So it's not totally unheard of for him to do this.
I will say that the whole thing about jay Z
in that situation where for whatever reason, Jerry decided to say,
(05:25):
you know, you know, I kind of did this also
with the with the with the Dez Bryan back in
the day, and you know, Dez didn't really live up
to his end of the bargain.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
That's why you know, we have big problems.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And then of course they put out a whole statement saying, yeah,
everything that you're saying did not happen, So it's kind
of kind of tough for you. But one thing Jerry
did say on Saturday when he met with the media
publicly is if I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan, I'm not
worried about this situation. And as crazy as I believe him,
(05:57):
I'm with him. I don't think that Michaeh. Parsons really
wants out, if only because as of this recording here
on Monday morning, he's still going to practice, He's still
in camp. He is what's the word he's holding in?
As they say these days, how often have you ever
seen it? Can you recall a guy make a trade
(06:17):
demand show up to training camp every single day and
actually get traded.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't. I don't think. I don't think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, what's the Bills running back James Cook, who was
just amazing last year in Fantasy He is at camp,
but he's not participating exactly. Well, he said, he's not participating,
you to business. And then there was the Bengals first
round pick who would show up. There was a video
everybody's doing drills and he's like full pads, standing there
just not doing anything.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, So all he's trying to do is avoid the
fifty thousand dollars a day fine, which you know, I
understand the business sense, but if you really want it out,
if you're really that upset and you're turned off by
everything that Jerry's done and said, and you know, taking
shots at you through the meat, then I'm not showing up.
Like Durrel Reevis didn't show up when he wanted out
from the Jets and the Bucks. Separately, Aaron Donald didn't
(07:08):
show up for weeks on end with rams camp until
he got paid. Like, I know that they can't do
anything about the fine, but you could easily bake in. Hey,
you were fine, We'll say a one and a half
million dollars. We're gonna tack that on as a bonus
to your salary, so you don't actually lose the money.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
You're not actually losing these fine money, whatever it is.
And I just think that Micah Parsons, ultimately this is
gonna get worked out. He's gonna be back in Dallas.
This is much ado about nothing because he just doesn't
have to be crashed. He doesn't have the stones to
really stand on business and be like, no, I want out.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I don't think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
But it's interesting you mentioned REVS. I had to look
it up just to confirm. So he had a great
year in twenty two thousand and nine. They went to
the ASC Championship game.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
He was awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
He skipped the majority of trading camp and all of
the preseason games while holding out. He basically his rookie
contract was going to pay him one million dollars, okay,
and he was like the second best quarterback in football.
I think he was runner up Defensive Player of the Year.
And he got his new deal four years, thirty two
million guaranteed showed up the next day and played. Now,
(08:20):
he he did not have as good of a season
and the injuries mounted. So like sitting out can be risky. Obviously,
these guys are working out on their own, but participating
can be risky too. So there's really and we talk
about this all the time, Rob, the NBA players have
such a much better setup than NFL players, and the
(08:41):
NFL players put themselves on the line way more. Obviously,
their careers are much shorter. It's just it's not right.
And if this were the NBA, Yeah, obviously Michael parts
will be no showing for sure.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, And I got to say this, this might seen
counter two to what I just said. If I'm Jerry Jones,
I legitimately thing about trading Michael Parsons.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Well, this is too late, though. Who's gonna take him? Rob?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
You got to him? That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I haven't really got that far down the rabbit hole,
but it's like, we kind of know what this team
is with the Micah dak CD triumvirate. Right, You're gonna
have three of the highest paid guys at their position
in the NFL, and history says that that team is
one and done in the playoffs because as you know,
quote unquote great as those three guys are, Micah hasn't
(09:28):
shown up in the playoffs yet. I think has one
sack across four games. Dak Prescott has a history of
coming up small safe for one road game against Tom
Brady and Tampa Bay which sent him into retirement basically,
and CD lamb if I think it was two years ago,
I think he had like three drops in the first
four drive or something like that. Like we know what
the ceiling is, like, we know what you're gonna be
(09:49):
your your divisional team at best. So if I'm Jerry Jones,
I really think about, like, hey, do we want to
make Micah Parsons a forty three million dollars a year
player or do we say, hey, can we get two
ones and another player? Can we get two ones in
two two?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
So my only thing is who's giving up two ones
and then paying Micah forty million?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
We've seen it before, the Khalil Mack. How'd that work out?
Zero playoff?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, I don't think they got any playoff wins with
that deal. But like it's just I would again, I
would have moved the best time to trade or rebuild
is last year and they've waited way too long. I've
seen some nonsense about what about the Bengals or Trey
Hendrickson swap. Oh yeah, the cheap ass Bengals are gonna
(10:34):
are gonna pay it? Come on, give you a break.
That's nonsense. So I I don't know. I mean, it's
it's a great thought. I would have traded him. I
would have traded GJ.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Watt.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I would not have paid him. But I sound crass.
People are like, how could you trade TJ?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Why?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Well, I'm gonna trade Micah Parsons. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
He's the most popular cowboy. But you know, again, how
many playoff sacks? What's he done in the postseason?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Is he worth?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
What you say forty three mil?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Is that it's going to start at forty so you
know it's going to be forty one. Like that's the
opening bid is forty one and a half and then
we go from there.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I'm not a firm believer in Hey, X got exactly this.
I need one million dollars more like Sauce Gardner's deal.
I looked the devil is in the details, and apparently
while he got more than I'm spacing on the guy's
name from Houston Stingley Singley. Yes, technically on the surface,
you know, he got like I think it was thirty
(11:26):
two point one mil to th Stingley's thirty two whatever
it is. You know I got a little bit more
if you look at the actual deal. Because the Jets
signed Sauce early, they got like a pretty damn good deal,
just the way the Jags got a good deal on
Trevor Lawrence by signing him early.
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Speaker 2 (11:53):
The only other NFL story I saw rob that piqued
my interest. And I don't want to go overboard on
training camp uh struggles, and you know, I'm not breaking
down Shador Sanders was seven of twelve and Dylan Gabriel
was eight of nine. That stuff whatever it's training camp tosses.
(12:15):
But there is something going on with Caleb Williams in Chicago,
and we talked about this before the draft. I strongly
urge you guys to go look up Caleb Williams in
USC in Notre Dame, in October of twenty twenty three,
Caleb Williams was the toast of the town. He was
the man us, he was top top ten.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
They were undefeated.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
And that was what I call the backyard football game
that Caleb Williams really got exposed in. He thought he
could make a play when the cover, when the coverage
was tight, and he just kept scrambling and kept and
just I mean, he was rutal. He had three first
half interceptions, he had a fumble that was returned for
(12:58):
a touchdown, and it was when he was trying to
make places. Now, yes, the offensive line stunk, I get that,
but the offensive line stunk last year in Chicago, Rob,
He'll have tried to do the same damn thing. Let
me try to play hero ball. I call it backyard football.
He's basically just running around trying to make plays. And
that can work against the Utahs of the world in
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Oregon State and whoever else in college football. Okay, at times,
Marcus Freeman is a really smart defensive guy. He body
bagged Caleb Williams in that game and really exposed him.
And then last year, you know, Caleb, some of the
numbers were not terrible, but by and large. He didn't
have a great year. Jayden Daniels had a great year, winning.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
From the pocket.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And so now you bring in Ben Johnson, you say, okay, Ben,
he had Jared Goff winning from the pocket. Jared Goff
not a scrambler. Caleb, He'll just change from being a
backyard football guy to two three strip drop, make the
read process and make the delivery right that Caleb will
do that, and so far, and it's early, it's very really,
(14:02):
it just doesn't look like that transition is going to
be smooth. I already see the oh I would take
Drake may over kaileb Williams. Just for the record, I
like Drake may moore than Jadon Daniels coming out in
the draft. Obviously that was wrong. That was that was
a bad take, not a you can't can't batter. I
think Elon Musk said something to the effect of you
can't bat a thousand. I like Drake may a lot.
(14:23):
I Caleb Williams is probably gonna be fine, But I
do think the learning curve is going to be much
tougher than people anticipated. With Ben Johnson. Maybe I'm overreacting,
and again we're not We're not going wild here. But
it does feel like there's gonna be a rocky transition.
(14:44):
I I I'll set the over under on benchings for
Kayleb Williams this season at one point five.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Oh, now, you know, if he gets benched twice then then.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
We okay, let's let's just go point five.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Will he be benched this season?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I could see it. Yeah, I can totally see it.
And again it's a hey man, you have three interceptions.
Let's just recharge the batteries come out, you know, and
you're not seeing the ball well today. I don't think
that's crazy for for for Caleb Williams to Chicago with
with Ben Johnson this year.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, And if training camp is any indication uh mhm,
the head coach is going to make a drastic move
very early. Because if you've been following Berry, I know,
you don't really follow on day to day because it
is well, I mean, as you know, it's it's practice
like like you're there. There are some guys and I
think jaj Water said this, it's designed to make you
(15:38):
look bad at times because they want to say you respond,
They want to they want to put you in in
difficult situations. They want to see you having to go,
you know, seven on nine and how are we going
to get this block when we don't have enough people
like that kind of stuff, right, So keep that in mind.
But uh Ben Johnson on the second day of camp
(15:59):
through the offense off the field first ring zero, I
believe on the third or fourth day camp took what's
their receiver's name.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Luther Burden, I think a young guy from the young guy.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I think he was ripped off the field twice in
the first week, right, Like, so, I don't know if
he's he definitely feels like a first time head coach,
like where he's really trying to build some kind of structure,
some kind of discipline to this team that obviously needed it,
but he might be going a little bit overboard relative
to what an NFL coded coach normally does, like this
(16:32):
is not this is not par for the courses kind
of thing. And you'll recall friend of the podcast Danny Kelly,
former Jets scout. We had him on before he blew
up on this podcast. We had him on before the
Trevor Lawrence draft and he said Trevor Lawnce was going
to be a bust. And I personally think that is
(16:52):
the case you disagree, but you know that's where we started.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
With time out to find bust.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
It just has not been as good as people think
we expected.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
He just can live up to the hype. But he
went to Jacksonville. He's on like his third head coach.
I don't I can't call him a bus.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I don't want to get bogged down.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
But that's where we started with him, right, and he's
made a living now. Every year there's a couple of
guys who he's like, no, he's not the one. This
isn't gonna be go bad. And it was Trey Lance
is gonna be bad?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
That worked out? Right, Zach Zach was is gonna be bad?
That worked out?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I think he said that Jaden Daniels was going to
be bad that obviously did not work out like that was.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
He was wrong on that one.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
He was right about Anthony Ridgards and being a bust.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Last year.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
He said before the draft, Caleb Williams is going to
be a bust, not because he doesn't have the talent
to be a good NFL quarterback, but because the hype
was such a such a degree that when you look
at the game film and you were you've been on
this and every other legitimate NFL person we've had on
this show has said, for all of his talent, which
is immense, there are two things that are legitimate problems
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with him. Number one emotionally meant, how does he deal
with negative plays and failures? You mentioned the Notre Dame
game where there's ones where he's crying in the stands,
like he he says he wants to go home and
just be with his dog because he's so bummed out
about what happened, Like, how is he gonna deal with
it when things don't go well? And obviously in Chicago,
chances are things are not gonna go well most of
the time.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Thousand one.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Number two, everything that made him special was unscripted. It
was zigzag zigzag, throw across his body, fifty yards on
the dime, beautiful pass touchdown that doesn't really work in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
You don't. You don't really see that too often in
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
And so far, both of the big red flags have
played out in the NFL. And it started in training camp,
you know, thrown off the field after the first day
of practice. Second day, I think he started out zero
for nine and that was picked up by the Chicago media.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Then they had this friends and family and night over
the week.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I don't know if he saw this one j Mac
where they had like a half of a stadium. Maybe
it was a full stadium, but like a small stadium
of fans in there to watch the team scrimmage, multiple
outlets for porting, and that kayleb went five for seventeen
with three picks at Bear's family night. I'm not saying
it's something, but I'm not saying it's nothing either. Right Like,
at some point, there's gonna be a clash, as you mentioned,
(19:13):
there's gonna be a benching, There's gonna be some kind
of controversy in Chicago. Because everything that makes Ben Johnson
a great head coach, or we assume a great head coach,
a great play caller, is structure, on time, on target,
play within my system. My system works. Same thing they
said about Sean McVay, same thing they say about Kyle Shanahan,
Caleb Williams, everything that makes him special backyard, Let me
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make stuff happen. Let me go early mahomes on these guys.
Let me just make plays and let it happen, let
me sling it. Those two things are diametrically opposed. At
some point one of them has to give or this
is not gonna work out. And I think what more
likely is gonna happen is you mentioned maybe early in
the Seaton first half of the season, he's gonna get
(19:56):
benched after you mentioned a two interception, three interception game
where they're getting blown out, and it's not meant to
be a benching, but it's going to be a controversy
in Chicago for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, something seems up there.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
And again.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
The backup battle looks like it's between Tyson Baigent and
case Keenum, with a gentleman named Austin Reed, a guy
twenty five year old out of Western Kentucky trying to
make the roster. Case Keenum is a veteran, he's a
KG fellow, been around the block. Let's see what any
teams he's been on here in the last few years.
He was Houston. Wait a minute, last year was not
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in the NFL two thousand real Maybe he just didn't
throw a pass twenty three in Houston twenty two, Buffalo
twenty one, Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
His career high.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Point was still the Minnesota season, where he had twenty
two touchdowns and parlayed himself into some money. But yeah,
Tyson Beagent is kind of a fan favorite. Remember his
dad is like the arm wrestling champ or something like
that small town kid but a good story. I don't
think Caleb has any to worry about, but given his
load to useWord meltdowns in college I things could get.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
The potential for scorely is there.
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Speaker 2 (21:19):
We'll wrap up, obviously because the big news on the Lakers,
rob your boy, Luka. Doncic inked a massive contract to stay, Yes,
stay with the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I know some people are like.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Oh, Luca gooda saw and blah blah blah. Let me
get the exact numbers here. It is three years and
one hundred and eight sixty five million dollars. He could
have inked a larger deal at four years and two
hundred twenty nine dollars, but obviously everybody knows the contract situation.
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By signing this two plus one, he could become an
unrestricted free agent in twenty eight or twenty He'll have
ten years of service in the league, and that can
make a massive three hundred and twenty three million dollars splash.
So let's not read anything into the deal, right, Luca
knows he can make more later. But the real story
(22:17):
is a bunch of Lakers showed up at his signing.
Lebron and BRONI were not there. Austin Reeves is in
like Asia. I think Lebron was on a golf course somewhere.
I was just saw him on Instagram. He's only twenty
six and I can tell you this. You can stack
his numbers first six years in the league next to
(22:37):
just about anyone in the modern era, and he's right there.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Numbers. I said, numbers, not titles or trips to the finals. Numbers.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
He's right there with Magic Michael Larry Lebron.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
He's better, Yeah, right there, he's better.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
The guys has done historic stuff in his first six years,
and all that he's missing is a championship. Now you know,
I'm gonna defend Luca. He had Jalen Brunson as a wingman.
They ripped him away. They screwed that up in Dallas.
They tried Porzingis he couldn't stay healthy. Then they get
(23:16):
Himkyrie Irving. He gets through the finals, then that dumb
ass Nico Harrison trades him because he thought Luca was overweight. Luca,
of course, the biggest news in supports this past week
was even on the cover of some men's health magazine.
Jacked took a month off basketball. He's working out, basically,
a big, big, big, huge middle finger to the MAVs
and a hay Lakers.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I'm all in.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Days after the cover of the magazine, Lucas signs his deal.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I don't I'm not concerned about Luca. I think any
way you slice it, he's gonna be a top ten
player in the history of basketball when all of a
sudden done. Okay, I think that's undeniable. The numbers will
for sure be there. The only question is will.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
He have one title?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Will he have two? Will he have multiple? Hey man,
it's a tough arrow right now. Jokis, for all his greatness,
has one title, one trip to the finals. That's it.
Kevin Durant went to Golden State, won a couple of chips,
hasn't been back since. It's really freaking hard to get
to the finals, folks, and win multiple titles. We thought
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the Celtics were in line for win several titles. Lebron
has gone to multiple cities and won everywhere he's gone.
It's really hard to win multiple champs here. So I
just I'm a Luca guy, so I will sound like
I'm defending him. I'm sure Rob has some incendiary take
that's gonna get people all worked up in Lakerland. But
your take on his new deal, I.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Mean good for him and anybody who says that he,
you know, took a pay cut or didn't maximize the dollars.
He did it on purpose so that he could really
cash in after the ten year mark. So that's, you know,
move that down the list. Everything you said is true.
The one hundred percent agree with everything you said about
just the factual of what you said. Nobody's at a
better start at all the way down the list. It's
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because of that that I disagree with the idea that,
oh what if he only gets one?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
What if he only gets two?
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Luka Doncic, by any metric, has had the greatest first
six seasons of an NBA career of anybody of NBA history,
only here's the list of the of the players in
NBA history in their first six seasons that had at
least ten thousand points, three thousand rebounds, three thousand its ssists,
five time first Team All NBA, and five plus playoff
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appearances or five plus playoff series wins. Excuse me, Luka Doncic,
I'm pregnant posit because no one else did it.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
He's the only one, right.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Not Lebron, not Oscar, not Larry, not Jerry West, not
MJ not Greham, not Magic nobody. He is all due
respect to a friend of the podcast, guys that we love,
Jason Tatum, SGA reigning MVP, the Joker who you just mentioned,
none of those guys are on the kind of trajectory
that Luka Doncic is on right now. He is not
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just on a path to Oh he's gonna be one
of the great players in NBA history. Oh he's he's
going to be a top twenty guy. He's gonna be
a top fifty. You mentioned top ten. I think I
think that you'ven selling him short. Luka Doncic on just
trajectory is in the conversation, to be the greatest player
who ever lived and I don't think that's a hot take.
I don't think that's hyperbole. I think that's just look
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at his resume, even taking away the stats. In the
All NBA, he's been to the finals once. He's been
to the Western Conference finals twice. If he didn't come
back early from this injury, who knows what he did
last year?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Right like the way, we don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
It was a disappointment, be quite honest with you, If
he does not win a championship with the Lakers during
the duration of this three year contract that he just signed,
it'll be a disappointment.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Really disappointment. Disappointment. So it's title or bust.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yes, he's that good of a player and the only
person who I can recall or two in my adult
lifetime who had this kind of pressure on them Lebron
James yep, because you know he would talking about that
in high school. They're like, hey, it's not just gonna win,
it's how many is he gonna win?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Like that's what it was.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And Shack because Shaq when he came in, he was like,
there's nobody who's bigger, stronger, faster, more agile than this
guy is.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It'll be a Rainy.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Real disappointment if he doesn't win multiple and credit to him,
he cashed him in. Luka Doncic should, assuming health, end
up with a minimum of three championships in his NBA career.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Okay, so Shaq Similarly, first stop Orlando got to the finals.
Oh my gosh, it looks like it was in year two. Yeah,
they not not in year two of his career. That
would be year three of his career, just his second
trip to the playoffs. First year they get swept. Second year,
no Jordan, They go to the finals, lose to Houston
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and Elijah One.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I mean he was twenty two years old.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Did not get back to the finals until he was
at his next stop, the Lakers when yuess what he
was twenty seven. I don't have the full list in
front of me yet, but I know Michael Jordan didn't
win one until he was about twenty seven. Lebron didn't
win until he was about twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Shack. I just mentioned there were.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Outliers, Magic and Larry blah blah blah, but twenty seven
ish seems to be a pivotal age. Now, this is
a tough year as the Lakers are not favored they're not.
I don't think they're top six or seven odds to
win the title. They might be like ten. So maybe
that that Lakers is an underdog is good, but like, yeah,
Shack didn't win anything until he was twenty seven, so
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I don't want to be that guy that puts pressure
on him. Do you think I can get old twenty
six or like a or he's it's twenty six young
over just twenty six feel old for Luca?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I mean, he's been professional since he was sixteen, so
I guess you would say it's old. But his style
of play is not that of a young man. He's
played this old man game his entire career.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
It's this old man game transition well into his thirties.
I think, so, okay, there's no pressure, but it's not
that I don't mean I think it's a positive. I
think he is so good that the expectation for him
is going to be all time great. Similarly with Victor Wembanyama.
When ben Yama's you know, his thing is the health
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issue with the blood clots, but when you see him play,
it's like, man, if he doesn't get multiple something went
horribly wrong. He is that good and that's where Luca.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Is well, is Luca that gooder?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I'm sorry, is Wemby that good or is he that
just freakishly potential?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
The potential with him.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Right when Luca came into the league, I don't think
anybody thought multiple titles the hell even won.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
He didn't even go first overall. He was traded.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Yeah, and then you saw him play and you're like, oh, yeah,
this guy's pretty good. Mean, five straight first team All NBAS.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I mean, listen, it's gonna be hard this year. Let's
see what happens next year. I mean, so what happens
if they get like Nicola Jokic It seems unlikely, but
he didn't sign his extension. Lebron's gonna be going out
for next season like they're gonna have room for a
superstar and ain't gonna be Karl Anthony Towns.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I can assure you that.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I mean, if they get Jokic's then the question becomes
like who who Who's the alpha or Luca's not the
Bay couldn't win a total by himself? You know. Then
you got all those stupid discussions, which kind of makes
the NBA move so fun.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I mean, in that discussion I'm teamy honest over Jokic,
just the fit wise, that's all. Jokic is a better player,
but Yiannis I think fit with better.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
That's not a terrible take. Yeah, that's not bad.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I don't mind that. I don't hate it. Rock's coming
off with some good takes.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Uh back tomorrow, talk again.
This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up, treat Fire Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre,
Straight Fire for Monday, August the fourth. I'm back, baby,
back state side after a great week respite. I'll just
say this, it is really good to shut off the
old Twitter machine, not fire up the podcast machine, not
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have to battle LA traffic just for one week. And
it felt good. Obviously I was on the gram. I'm
sure you guys noted.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It was a great week away. Good to be back.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It seems like, you know, I hit Rob g on
Sunday afternoon. I'm like, yo, I'm just looking for topics here.
We got Michah Parsons, we had Luca Dott. Not a
lot happening. I will say the vacation was good. We
pop down to the Caribbean. It's tough to go to
the from LA and I know these are first world problem,
(01:03):
but after we moved out here to LA, we would
go to Hawaii and Cabbo all the time because they're close,
and you know, that's what everybody in southern California goes to.
And I'm like, you know, we've kind of done this
a lot. We just changed it up so we've started
to change it up a little here lately. We did
a Aruba, which I've been to before, really nice island,
warmest ocean water ever, Like I don't like cold water.
(01:24):
I can't do cold plunges on the woofs. You just
wool in this water and it's like eighty three degrees,
which is like perfect. Were you just sitting there all day?
I got been of a sunburn and we stopped in
Miami on the way back and our soccer team, Nakoksa
played against Lionel Messi and enter Miami on Saturday. Just
an incredible experience. Of course, Messi gets hurt ten minutes
in whatever what can you do? We were up to
(01:48):
one in the ninety first minute and the legendary Jordi
Alba flicked in a header to force penalty kicks, and
we lost in penalty kicks, which sucked, but overall, an
incredible experience. The tea, the trajectory's pointing upward and then
you know you return and it's like NBA's on a shelf.
Didn't listen to one NFL NBA podcast that all. The
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only guy listened to his prof g which some of
you know, Hey, He's outstanding, but he's nonsports. But it
was like, yeah, I've got to get back on the
workout schedule, gotta eat right, and got to start getting
ready for fantasy football. And one defense I will certainly
not be taking this season is the Dallas Cowboys. Now,
I wasn't going to take him regardless of this Michael
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Parsons disaster. But I guess it broke Friday maybe Thursday
that Michaeh Parsons was extremely unhappy with the bulooney, the bs,
the behind the scenes garbage that Dallas has been doing,
and he has requested a trade.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Now, this has been bubbling up for what six months.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I mean, Dallas and Jerry Jones have fumbled this, just
as they fumbled almost every other player that they've had.
They wait to pay him, wait to pay him, They
tried to get a good deal and then oh look
they screwed up and have to pay top of the market.
Michaeh Parsons is now claiming, yeah, I met with Jerry
and his underlings and essentially we talked about a contract
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and then I said, okay, I'll have my agent call you.
And then my agent called them and they're like, yeah,
we got a deal.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
We don't need to really talk to you.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well what That's just not how things work, As many
of you know, I have had contract talks with Fox
here over the last like five months, and that's just
not how it goes.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
FI.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I cannot envision Fox coming to me and saying, hey,
how about this, that and the other, and then thinking
that's a deal. I'm like, I don't need to deal
with that. I got to focus on the takes. They've
got to be hot, they've got to be scalding hot takes.
I don't have time to get in the weeds with
a contract. That's what the agent's for. So I mean,
I'm sorry, I got aside with Micah Parsons here. I
don't even know that Dallas has the leg to stand on.
(03:52):
And then Rob and again, I'm just reading about this
coming late to the party, but it appeared to me
like jay Z and Rock Nation decided to jump in
and add fuel to the flame and kind of pile
on Jerry Jones, painting him as I don't know, maybe
that's a play. You know, Hey, Jerry joneses not a
(04:12):
good deal guy. I don't even know what to do
with this. Rob other than to say, you know, this
is what happens when you've got you know, an octagenarian
trying to cut NFL deals. Jerry's way past his pride,
and the guy had a good run. It's okay to
just say, hey man, Jerry, it's time to get someone
else in here, whoever else from the Jones family, Stephen Jones, whatever.
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But Jerry's way of business rob just does not seem
to be working.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, it's just more of Jerry bing Jerry. I mean,
Jerry has told us at every possible turn, and even verbatim,
there is nobody who would be a better GM than
me for the Dallas Cowboys. So he is gonna do
things how he sees fit and as unorthodox and quite
frankly unprofessional. These negotiations have been where he says, I'm
gonna try and negotia with Micah directly forget his agent.
(05:02):
It's actually worked for him in the past, like he
did that with a couple of guys I think one
of them was Zach Barney did that with and they
earned our deal basically face to face, and then the
agent came in later and it's like, all right, well
that's what you want, what you want, We're gonna do it.
So it's not totally unheard of for him to do this.
I will say that the whole thing about jay Z
in that situation where for whatever reason, Jerry decided to say,
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you know, you know, I kind of did this also
with the with the with the Dez Bryan back in
the day, and you know, Dez didn't really live up
to his end of the bargain.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
That's why you know, we have big problems.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And then of course they put out a whole statement saying, yeah,
everything that you're saying did not happen, So it's kind
of kind of tough for you. But one thing Jerry
did say on Saturday when he met with the media
publicly is if I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan, I'm not
worried about this situation. And as crazy as I believe him,
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I'm with him. I don't think that Michaeh. Parsons really
wants out, if only because as of this recording here
on Monday morning, he's still going to practice, He's still
in camp. He is what's the word he's holding in?
As they say these days, how often have you ever
seen it? Can you recall a guy make a trade
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demand show up to training camp every single day and
actually get traded.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't. I don't think. I don't think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, what's the Bills running back James Cook, who was
just amazing last year in Fantasy He is at camp,
but he's not participating exactly. Well, he said, he's not participating,
you to business. And then there was the Bengals first
round pick who would show up. There was a video
everybody's doing drills and he's like full pads, standing there
just not doing anything.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, So all he's trying to do is avoid the
fifty thousand dollars a day fine, which you know, I
understand the business sense, but if you really want it out,
if you're really that upset and you're turned off by
everything that Jerry's done and said, and you know, taking
shots at you through the meat, then I'm not showing up.
Like Durrel Reevis didn't show up when he wanted out
from the Jets and the Bucks. Separately, Aaron Donald didn't
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show up for weeks on end with rams camp until
he got paid. Like, I know that they can't do
anything about the fine, but you could easily bake in. Hey,
you were fine, We'll say a one and a half
million dollars. We're gonna tack that on as a bonus
to your salary, so you don't actually lose the money.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
You're not actually losing these fine money, whatever it is.
And I just think that Micah Parsons, ultimately this is
gonna get worked out. He's gonna be back in Dallas.
This is much ado about nothing because he just doesn't
have to be crashed. He doesn't have the stones to
really stand on business and be like, no, I want out.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I don't think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
But it's interesting you mentioned REVS. I had to look
it up just to confirm. So he had a great
year in twenty two thousand and nine. They went to
the ASC Championship game.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
He was awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
He skipped the majority of trading camp and all of
the preseason games while holding out. He basically his rookie
contract was going to pay him one million dollars, okay,
and he was like the second best quarterback in football.
I think he was runner up Defensive Player of the Year.
And he got his new deal four years, thirty two
million guaranteed showed up the next day and played. Now,
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he he did not have as good of a season
and the injuries mounted. So like sitting out can be risky. Obviously,
these guys are working out on their own, but participating
can be risky too. So there's really and we talk
about this all the time, Rob, the NBA players have
such a much better setup than NFL players, and the
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NFL players put themselves on the line way more. Obviously,
their careers are much shorter. It's just it's not right.
And if this were the NBA, Yeah, obviously Michael parts
will be no showing for sure.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, And I got to say this, this might seen
counter two to what I just said. If I'm Jerry Jones,
I legitimately thing about trading Michael Parsons.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Well, this is too late, though. Who's gonna take him? Rob?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
You got to him? That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I haven't really got that far down the rabbit hole,
but it's like, we kind of know what this team
is with the Micah dak CD triumvirate. Right, You're gonna
have three of the highest paid guys at their position
in the NFL, and history says that that team is
one and done in the playoffs because as you know,
quote unquote great as those three guys are, Micah hasn't
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shown up in the playoffs yet. I think has one
sack across four games. Dak Prescott has a history of
coming up small safe for one road game against Tom
Brady and Tampa Bay which sent him into retirement basically,
and CD lamb if I think it was two years ago,
I think he had like three drops in the first
four drive or something like that. Like we know what
the ceiling is, like, we know what you're gonna be
(09:49):
your your divisional team at best. So if I'm Jerry Jones,
I really think about, like, hey, do we want to
make Micah Parsons a forty three million dollars a year
player or do we say, hey, can we get two
ones and another player? Can we get two ones in
two two?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
So my only thing is who's giving up two ones
and then paying Micah forty million?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
We've seen it before, the Khalil Mack. How'd that work out?
Zero playoff?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, I don't think they got any playoff wins with
that deal. But like it's just I would again, I
would have moved the best time to trade or rebuild
is last year and they've waited way too long. I've
seen some nonsense about what about the Bengals or Trey
Hendrickson swap. Oh yeah, the cheap ass Bengals are gonna
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are gonna pay it? Come on, give you a break.
That's nonsense. So I I don't know. I mean, it's
it's a great thought. I would have traded him. I
would have traded GJ.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Watt.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I would not have paid him. But I sound crass.
People are like, how could you trade TJ?
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Why?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Well, I'm gonna trade Micah Parsons. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
He's the most popular cowboy. But you know, again, how
many playoff sacks? What's he done in the postseason?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Is he worth?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
What you say forty three mil?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Is that it's going to start at forty so you
know it's going to be forty one. Like that's the
opening bid is forty one and a half and then
we go from there.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I'm not a firm believer in Hey, X got exactly this.
I need one million dollars more like Sauce Gardner's deal.
I looked the devil is in the details, and apparently
while he got more than I'm spacing on the guy's
name from Houston Stingley Singley. Yes, technically on the surface,
you know, he got like I think it was thirty
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two point one mil to th Stingley's thirty two whatever
it is. You know I got a little bit more
if you look at the actual deal. Because the Jets
signed Sauce early, they got like a pretty damn good deal,
just the way the Jags got a good deal on
Trevor Lawrence by signing him early.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
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Speaker 2 (11:53):
The only other NFL story I saw rob that piqued
my interest. And I don't want to go overboard on
training camp uh struggles, and you know, I'm not breaking
down Shador Sanders was seven of twelve and Dylan Gabriel
was eight of nine. That stuff whatever it's training camp tosses.
(12:15):
But there is something going on with Caleb Williams in Chicago,
and we talked about this before the draft. I strongly
urge you guys to go look up Caleb Williams in
USC in Notre Dame, in October of twenty twenty three,
Caleb Williams was the toast of the town. He was
the man us, he was top top ten.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
They were undefeated.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
And that was what I call the backyard football game
that Caleb Williams really got exposed in. He thought he
could make a play when the cover, when the coverage
was tight, and he just kept scrambling and kept and
just I mean, he was rutal. He had three first
half interceptions, he had a fumble that was returned for
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a touchdown, and it was when he was trying to
make places. Now, yes, the offensive line stunk, I get that,
but the offensive line stunk last year in Chicago, Rob,
He'll have tried to do the same damn thing. Let
me try to play hero ball. I call it backyard football.
He's basically just running around trying to make plays. And
that can work against the Utahs of the world in
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Oregon State and whoever else in college football. Okay, at times,
Marcus Freeman is a really smart defensive guy. He body
bagged Caleb Williams in that game and really exposed him.
And then last year, you know, Caleb, some of the
numbers were not terrible, but by and large. He didn't
have a great year. Jayden Daniels had a great year, winning.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
From the pocket.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
And so now you bring in Ben Johnson, you say, okay, Ben,
he had Jared Goff winning from the pocket. Jared Goff
not a scrambler. Caleb, He'll just change from being a
backyard football guy to two three strip drop, make the
read process and make the delivery right that Caleb will
do that, and so far, and it's early, it's very really,
(14:02):
it just doesn't look like that transition is going to
be smooth. I already see the oh I would take
Drake may over kaileb Williams. Just for the record, I
like Drake may moore than Jadon Daniels coming out in
the draft. Obviously that was wrong. That was that was
a bad take, not a you can't can't batter. I
think Elon Musk said something to the effect of you
can't bat a thousand. I like Drake may a lot.
(14:23):
I Caleb Williams is probably gonna be fine, But I
do think the learning curve is going to be much
tougher than people anticipated. With Ben Johnson. Maybe I'm overreacting,
and again we're not We're not going wild here. But
it does feel like there's gonna be a rocky transition.
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I I I'll set the over under on benchings for
Kayleb Williams this season at one point five.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Oh, now, you know, if he gets benched twice then then.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
We okay, let's let's just go point five.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Will he be benched this season?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I could see it. Yeah, I can totally see it.
And again it's a hey man, you have three interceptions.
Let's just recharge the batteries come out, you know, and
you're not seeing the ball well today. I don't think
that's crazy for for for Caleb Williams to Chicago with
with Ben Johnson this year.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, And if training camp is any indication uh mhm,
the head coach is going to make a drastic move
very early. Because if you've been following Berry, I know,
you don't really follow on day to day because it
is well, I mean, as you know, it's it's practice
like like you're there. There are some guys and I
think jaj Water said this, it's designed to make you
(15:38):
look bad at times because they want to say you respond,
They want to they want to put you in in
difficult situations. They want to see you having to go,
you know, seven on nine and how are we going
to get this block when we don't have enough people
like that kind of stuff, right, So keep that in mind.
But uh Ben Johnson on the second day of camp
(15:59):
through the offense off the field first ring zero, I
believe on the third or fourth day camp took what's
their receiver's name.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Luther Burden, I think a young guy from the young guy.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
I think he was ripped off the field twice in
the first week, right, Like, so, I don't know if
he's he definitely feels like a first time head coach,
like where he's really trying to build some kind of structure,
some kind of discipline to this team that obviously needed it,
but he might be going a little bit overboard relative
to what an NFL coded coach normally does, like this
(16:32):
is not this is not par for the courses kind
of thing. And you'll recall friend of the podcast Danny Kelly,
former Jets scout. We had him on before he blew
up on this podcast. We had him on before the
Trevor Lawrence draft and he said Trevor Lawnce was going
to be a bust. And I personally think that is
(16:52):
the case you disagree, but you know that's where we started.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
With time out to find bust.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
It just has not been as good as people think
we expected.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
He just can live up to the hype. But he
went to Jacksonville. He's on like his third head coach.
I don't I can't call him a bus.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I don't want to get bogged down.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
But that's where we started with him, right, and he's
made a living now. Every year there's a couple of
guys who he's like, no, he's not the one. This
isn't gonna be go bad. And it was Trey Lance
is gonna be bad?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
That worked out? Right, Zach Zach was is gonna be bad?
That worked out?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I think he said that Jaden Daniels was going to
be bad that obviously did not work out like that was.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
He was wrong on that one.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
He was right about Anthony Ridgards and being a bust.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Last year.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
He said before the draft, Caleb Williams is going to
be a bust, not because he doesn't have the talent
to be a good NFL quarterback, but because the hype
was such a such a degree that when you look
at the game film and you were you've been on
this and every other legitimate NFL person we've had on
this show has said, for all of his talent, which
is immense, there are two things that are legitimate problems
(17:56):
with him. Number one emotionally meant, how does he deal
with negative plays and failures? You mentioned the Notre Dame
game where there's ones where he's crying in the stands,
like he he says he wants to go home and
just be with his dog because he's so bummed out
about what happened, Like, how is he gonna deal with
it when things don't go well? And obviously in Chicago,
chances are things are not gonna go well most of
the time.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Thousand one.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Number two, everything that made him special was unscripted. It
was zigzag zigzag, throw across his body, fifty yards on
the dime, beautiful pass touchdown that doesn't really work in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
You don't. You don't really see that too often in
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
And so far, both of the big red flags have
played out in the NFL. And it started in training camp,
you know, thrown off the field after the first day
of practice. Second day, I think he started out zero
for nine and that was picked up by the Chicago media.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Then they had this friends and family and night over
the week.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I don't know if he saw this one j Mac
where they had like a half of a stadium. Maybe
it was a full stadium, but like a small stadium
of fans in there to watch the team scrimmage, multiple
outlets for porting, and that kayleb went five for seventeen
with three picks at Bear's family night. I'm not saying
it's something, but I'm not saying it's nothing either. Right Like,
at some point, there's gonna be a clash, as you mentioned,
(19:13):
there's gonna be a benching, There's gonna be some kind
of controversy in Chicago. Because everything that makes Ben Johnson
a great head coach, or we assume a great head coach,
a great play caller, is structure, on time, on target,
play within my system. My system works. Same thing they
said about Sean McVay, same thing they say about Kyle Shanahan,
Caleb Williams, everything that makes him special backyard, Let me
(19:35):
make stuff happen. Let me go early mahomes on these guys.
Let me just make plays and let it happen, let
me sling it. Those two things are diametrically opposed. At
some point one of them has to give or this
is not gonna work out. And I think what more
likely is gonna happen is you mentioned maybe early in
the Seaton first half of the season, he's gonna get
(19:56):
benched after you mentioned a two interception, three interception game
where they're getting blown out, and it's not meant to
be a benching, but it's going to be a controversy
in Chicago for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, something seems up there.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
And again.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
The backup battle looks like it's between Tyson Baigent and
case Keenum, with a gentleman named Austin Reed, a guy
twenty five year old out of Western Kentucky trying to
make the roster. Case Keenum is a veteran, he's a
KG fellow, been around the block. Let's see what any
teams he's been on here in the last few years.
He was Houston. Wait a minute, last year was not
(20:31):
in the NFL two thousand real Maybe he just didn't
throw a pass twenty three in Houston twenty two, Buffalo
twenty one, Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
His career high.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Point was still the Minnesota season, where he had twenty
two touchdowns and parlayed himself into some money. But yeah,
Tyson Beagent is kind of a fan favorite. Remember his
dad is like the arm wrestling champ or something like
that small town kid but a good story. I don't
think Caleb has any to worry about, but given his
load to useWord meltdowns in college I things could get.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
The potential for scorely is there.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
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Speaker 2 (21:19):
We'll wrap up, obviously because the big news on the Lakers,
rob your boy, Luka. Doncic inked a massive contract to stay, Yes,
stay with the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I know some people are like.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Oh, Luca gooda saw and blah blah blah. Let me
get the exact numbers here. It is three years and
one hundred and eight sixty five million dollars. He could
have inked a larger deal at four years and two
hundred twenty nine dollars, but obviously everybody knows the contract situation.
(21:55):
By signing this two plus one, he could become an
unrestricted free agent in twenty eight or twenty He'll have
ten years of service in the league, and that can
make a massive three hundred and twenty three million dollars splash.
So let's not read anything into the deal, right, Luca
knows he can make more later. But the real story
(22:17):
is a bunch of Lakers showed up at his signing.
Lebron and BRONI were not there. Austin Reeves is in
like Asia. I think Lebron was on a golf course somewhere.
I was just saw him on Instagram. He's only twenty
six and I can tell you this. You can stack
his numbers first six years in the league next to
(22:37):
just about anyone in the modern era, and he's right there.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Numbers. I said, numbers, not titles or trips to the finals. Numbers.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
He's right there with Magic Michael Larry Lebron.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
He's better, Yeah, right there, he's better.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
The guys has done historic stuff in his first six years,
and all that he's missing is a championship. Now you know,
I'm gonna defend Luca. He had Jalen Brunson as a wingman.
They ripped him away. They screwed that up in Dallas.
They tried Porzingis he couldn't stay healthy. Then they get
(23:16):
Himkyrie Irving. He gets through the finals, then that dumb
ass Nico Harrison trades him because he thought Luca was overweight. Luca,
of course, the biggest news in supports this past week
was even on the cover of some men's health magazine.
Jacked took a month off basketball. He's working out, basically,
a big, big, big, huge middle finger to the MAVs
and a hay Lakers.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I'm all in.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Days after the cover of the magazine, Lucas signs his deal.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I don't I'm not concerned about Luca. I think any
way you slice it, he's gonna be a top ten
player in the history of basketball when all of a
sudden done. Okay, I think that's undeniable. The numbers will
for sure be there. The only question is will.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
He have one title?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Will he have two? Will he have multiple? Hey man,
it's a tough arrow right now. Jokis, for all his greatness,
has one title, one trip to the finals. That's it.
Kevin Durant went to Golden State, won a couple of chips,
hasn't been back since. It's really freaking hard to get
to the finals, folks, and win multiple titles. We thought
(24:16):
the Celtics were in line for win several titles. Lebron
has gone to multiple cities and won everywhere he's gone.
It's really hard to win multiple champs here. So I
just I'm a Luca guy, so I will sound like
I'm defending him. I'm sure Rob has some incendiary take
that's gonna get people all worked up in Lakerland. But
your take on his new deal, I.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Mean good for him and anybody who says that he,
you know, took a pay cut or didn't maximize the dollars.
He did it on purpose so that he could really
cash in after the ten year mark. So that's, you know,
move that down the list. Everything you said is true.
The one hundred percent agree with everything you said about
just the factual of what you said. Nobody's at a
better start at all the way down the list. It's
(24:56):
because of that that I disagree with the idea that,
oh what if he only gets one?
Speaker 3 (25:01):
What if he only gets two?
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Luka Doncic, by any metric, has had the greatest first
six seasons of an NBA career of anybody of NBA history,
only here's the list of the of the players in
NBA history in their first six seasons that had at
least ten thousand points, three thousand rebounds, three thousand its ssists,
five time first Team All NBA, and five plus playoff
(25:24):
appearances or five plus playoff series wins. Excuse me, Luka Doncic,
I'm pregnant posit because no one else did it.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
He's the only one, right.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Not Lebron, not Oscar, not Larry, not Jerry West, not
MJ not Greham, not Magic nobody. He is all due
respect to a friend of the podcast, guys that we love,
Jason Tatum, SGA reigning MVP, the Joker who you just mentioned,
none of those guys are on the kind of trajectory
that Luka Doncic is on right now. He is not
(25:57):
just on a path to Oh he's gonna be one
of the great players in NBA history. Oh he's he's
going to be a top twenty guy. He's gonna be
a top fifty. You mentioned top ten. I think I
think that you'ven selling him short. Luka Doncic on just
trajectory is in the conversation, to be the greatest player
who ever lived and I don't think that's a hot take.
I don't think that's hyperbole. I think that's just look
(26:19):
at his resume, even taking away the stats. In the
All NBA, he's been to the finals once. He's been
to the Western Conference finals twice. If he didn't come
back early from this injury, who knows what he did
last year?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Right like the way, we don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
It was a disappointment, be quite honest with you, If
he does not win a championship with the Lakers during
the duration of this three year contract that he just signed,
it'll be a disappointment.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Really disappointment. Disappointment. So it's title or bust.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yes, he's that good of a player and the only
person who I can recall or two in my adult
lifetime who had this kind of pressure on them Lebron
James yep, because you know he would talking about that
in high school. They're like, hey, it's not just gonna win,
it's how many is he gonna win?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Like that's what it was.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And Shack because Shaq when he came in, he was like,
there's nobody who's bigger, stronger, faster, more agile than this
guy is.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It'll be a Rainy.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Real disappointment if he doesn't win multiple and credit to him,
he cashed him in. Luka Doncic should, assuming health, end
up with a minimum of three championships in his NBA career.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Okay, so Shaq Similarly, first stop Orlando got to the finals.
Oh my gosh, it looks like it was in year two. Yeah,
they not not in year two of his career. That
would be year three of his career, just his second
trip to the playoffs. First year they get swept. Second year,
no Jordan, They go to the finals, lose to Houston
(27:52):
and Elijah One.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I mean he was twenty two years old.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Did not get back to the finals until he was
at his next stop, the Lakers when yuess what he
was twenty seven. I don't have the full list in
front of me yet, but I know Michael Jordan didn't
win one until he was about twenty seven. Lebron didn't
win until he was about twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Shack. I just mentioned there were.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Outliers, Magic and Larry blah blah blah, but twenty seven
ish seems to be a pivotal age. Now, this is
a tough year as the Lakers are not favored they're not.
I don't think they're top six or seven odds to
win the title. They might be like ten. So maybe
that that Lakers is an underdog is good, but like, yeah,
Shack didn't win anything until he was twenty seven, so
(28:34):
I don't want to be that guy that puts pressure
on him. Do you think I can get old twenty
six or like a or he's it's twenty six young
over just twenty six feel old for Luca?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
I mean, he's been professional since he was sixteen, so
I guess you would say it's old. But his style
of play is not that of a young man. He's
played this old man game his entire career.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
It's this old man game transition well into his thirties.
I think, so, okay, there's no pressure, but it's not
that I don't mean I think it's a positive. I
think he is so good that the expectation for him
is going to be all time great. Similarly with Victor Wembanyama.
When ben Yama's you know, his thing is the health
(29:17):
issue with the blood clots, but when you see him play,
it's like, man, if he doesn't get multiple something went
horribly wrong. He is that good and that's where Luca.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Is well, is Luca that gooder?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I'm sorry, is Wemby that good or is he that
just freakishly potential?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
The potential with him.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Right when Luca came into the league, I don't think
anybody thought multiple titles the hell even won.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
He didn't even go first overall. He was traded.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Yeah, and then you saw him play and you're like, oh, yeah,
this guy's pretty good. Mean, five straight first team All NBAS.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I mean, listen, it's gonna be hard this year. Let's
see what happens next year. I mean, so what happens
if they get like Nicola Jokic It seems unlikely, but
he didn't sign his extension. Lebron's gonna be going out
for next season like they're gonna have room for a
superstar and ain't gonna be Karl Anthony Towns.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I can assure you that.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I mean, if they get Jokic's then the question becomes
like who who Who's the alpha or Luca's not the
Bay couldn't win a total by himself? You know. Then
you got all those stupid discussions, which kind of makes
the NBA move so fun.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I mean, in that discussion I'm teamy honest over Jokic,
just the fit wise, that's all. Jokic is a better player,
but Yiannis I think fit with better.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
That's not a terrible take. Yeah, that's not bad.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I don't mind that. I don't hate it. Rock's coming
off with some good takes.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Uh back tomorrow, talk again.
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