December 8, 2025 • 51 mins
On today’s episode, Jason discusses why he believes the Notre Dame Fighting Irish got screwed over by the College Football Playoffs Committee and their biased television partners, why shouldn't be surprised that Kansas City Chiefs are the on verge of missing the postseason altogether, whether or not we should expect Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh to still be coaching the Pittsburgh Steelers and Baltimore Ravens at the start of the 2026 season, and what makes the discourse surrounding Shedeur Sanders' status in Cleveland so annoying. Finally, J-Mac closes the show with this Best Bets for the Monday Night Football clash between the Philadelphia Eagles and the Los Angeles Chargers.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is straight fire with Jason McIntire.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is a baym It's me Jason McIntire, straight four
year for Monday, December the eighth. Though it was a
phenomenal football weekend, I actually didn't play any basketball, didn't
go to the gym, kind of relaxed, kicked, it didn't
have any kids' sports, wasn't wasn't feeling one thousand percent,
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so I decided to chill in and watched a ton
of football. The football Saturday did not go great on
the bets, I mean, Ohios Date didn't get there, Texas
Tech did what was the oh Alabama got their doors
blown off, embarrassed. We'll obviously touch on that. And then
Sunday NFL was chaotic. Some big wins did lose survivor
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I don't really want to talk about it. We had Tampa.
Tampa pooped their pants two for seven on fourth down.
I mean, give me break. And the big drawback is
we are backup was the Browns. We wanted to save
the Eagles for next week against the Raiders, and the
Browns of course also lose that. There's no way I
was taking the Browns. But yeah, disappointing. We will not
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get the pot? Can I mention the pot now? I
hope my buddy doesn't mind. The pot was one hundred
and eighty thousand dollars and we're now under one hundred people.
I loved our chances, I loved our teams. We were
in great shape. But onward we go. I actually think
the biggest story in the NFL is Trump. Well, what
is the biggest story in the NFL? Is it the
Daniel Jones Achilles? I don't know. Is it the Chiefs
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Texans thriller on Sunday Night Football? Is it the Buffalo
Bill's Bengals craziness? I don't know. Jayden Daniels heard again,
I don't know what the biggest story is in the NFL,
But I won't know what the biggest story in sports is,
and that is Notre Dame getting absolutely hosed by the
kangaroo court that was the NCAA selection committee for the playoffs.
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I mean, just an absolute joke of a decision by
the committee. I mean essentially they rug pulled Notre Dame.
They had Notre Dame ahead of Miami. Throughout this entire process,
absolutely nothing changes this weekend from Miami. The acc result
did not matter that Miami didn't play either of those teams,
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and then all of a sudden, poof Notre Dame finds
himself on the outside looking in and Miami leapfrogs them.
Like what, It's just absolutely hysterical. Unless you're a Notre
Dame fan, then you're just pissed and livid. One of
the best stats, and there's many, this one was so
eye popping. So in the last three years, there's been
sixteen conference championship game losers and they were all ranked
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in the top twenty five going into the game. Right
sixteen of them fifteen dropped after the loss. The only
one that did not drop was Alabama. So essentially everybody's
penalized for losing a conference championship game except Alabama, and
Alabama was humiliated by Georgia. This is another insane stat.
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So the big Alabama what was that they say the
feather in their hat or whatever it is saying is
is oh, well, Alabama went to Georgia and one I
was like okay, great. That was early in the season,
so then people started to look closer at that game
and like, okay, so Alabama Georgia played one hundred and
twenty minutes of football two games sixty plus sixty one
to twenty math. The first thirty minutes, Alabama outscored Georgia
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twenty four to fourteen. They came out of the gate
so hot in Athens it was awesome. Which you don't
remember is the second half they got outplayed, and what
you saw on Saturday was sixty minutes of Georgia dominance.
So first thirty minutes Alabama twenty four to fourteen, next
ninety minutes Georgia thirty five to seven. Essentially, we're rewarding
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Alabama for a being in the SEC and b one
really good half of football against Georgia. And again we
don't need to sit here and debate the doesn't the
doesn't the season opener count? The head to head? Well,
I don't know. Alabama wasn't penalized for losing their season
opener against a sub five hundred FSU team. I mean,
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I don't know that didn't hurt Alabama, But somehow it
means everything in Miami Notre Dame. Like in no other
sport do we say, well, remember what happened in the
first week of the season. It doesn't matter. Nobody cares.
In the NBA, nobody cares in the NFL. What happened
to the first It does not matter. It is irrelevant,
March madness irrelevant. You know what matters in March madness
to get picked for the sixty eight team field? How
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have you done in your last ten games that matters
more heading into the tournament? Like, for whatever reason, the committee,
I guess leaned on that. Now here's the odd part.
I have not seen many interviews for them explaining why
Alabama didn't get dropped, why Miami leapfrog Notre Dame, Like
none of it made sense. But I'm gonna go a
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place and I you know, I know my agent would
be like Jay mc, don't do this. You know, come
on to be smart. I'm not ripping ESPN in no way,
shape or for him. Am I ripping ESPN? But ESPN
is a TV partner for the SEC and the ACC.
And if you watched any of the I don't know.
I'll just say conservatively, twelve people that ESPN had on
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air talking about the college Football Playoff, all of them
had Miami had a Notre Dame. That is insane, that's crazy,
all of them in lockstep because of a Week one victory.
It's almost as if the losses to SMU as a
double dig your favorite and Louisville as a double did
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your favorite, like did not matter? They happened more recently
Notre Dame again, you could do it on like, oh
the head to head matters, Okay, well what else matters?
Because it's, you know, essentially a compilation, a soup, if
you will. When you're built these these cases and these resumes,
just like when you're applying to college and applying to
any job, it's not just about one thing, right, and
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all the analytics had Notre Dame as the better team,
Notre Dame was going to be favored against anybody in
the field. Notre Dame statistically, a better offensive team, a
better defensive team, better strength to schedule, sp plus whatever
metric you want. Notre Dame was ahead of Miami. And
I personally would have dropped Alabama out three losses really
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in their last four games, just two and two. I
don't see Alabama. I mean, but I'm a weirdough I
you know, I have nothing to gain here. Obviously, I
rooted as a kid from Miami hardcore that you was
my first favorite football team, right there with the Jets,
and I have buddies who went to Notre Dame, so
I'm a huge Notre Dame fan. But like I mean,
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when Michael Irvin would come on the set and shows,
I would love talking about Miami Hurricanes with a playmaker.
It was a huge Miami fan growing up. I wish
I had photos of me in a starter jacket. I
might ask my mom if she can come through and
find some of them. But like this idea that I'm
a Miami hater, Like, guys, that's insane. I have nothing
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to gain from this whatsoever. I'm just looking objectively. I
have no dog in this fight. I'm not stumping for
either the ACC or SEC. Now what is kind of
interesting is some people were like, oh, you're a big
You're a big ten homwork because you're a Fox. Oh no, yes,
I do talk about the Big ten a lot on Fox. Yes,
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I talk about Indiana, Ohios, Date all that stuff. But no,
in any way, shape or form, was Michigan in the discussion.
Like I wasn't saying Oregon should leap Texas Tech for
the Ford. I wasn't doing that. Like we got guys
at the other network who are essentially saying Notre Dame
does not deserve to be in because it's beneficial for
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them to get an ACC team in. I mean, and
there is a narrative going on around today that ESPN
is bad for college football. Now I'm not I'm not
ready to go that far, but the idea that they
put on this stupid TV show that is entirely useless
when at the last second you're just gonna rug pull
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everything and just say no, we're gonna do this. Yeah,
it is almost like I saw somebody analogize it to Hey,
it is a TV show, but you know what TV
shows need shocking plot twists, and that's what this was.
And Notre Dame came out and said, you know, the
early rankings are a farce and a waste of time.
And they went as far to say, we're not playing
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in any bowl game. Take your bowl game in and
shove it up your ass. Yeah, that's where Notre Dame
wasn't I've fully endorsed. That's the where's the win there to, Oh,
you want to use me to put me on TV
to get ratings and generate more money and interest. No,
go take some five and seven Appalachian State team or something.
And it's weird because you know, I've been saying for
years the bowl games are dead, they're exhibition games, They're useless.
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And now all of a sudden, out of nowhere, what
do we have. Oh look, nobody wants to play in
a ball game. All of a sudden, everybody's dropping bowl games.
A lot of good teams are just saying no thanks.
But there is another element to it. And I keep
seeing people saying, oh, Jay, come on, what about those
extra fifteen practices. I'm like, I don't know, guys in
the nil on the portal era, what's the point of
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these practices if some of these guys are gonna bounce anyway?
And then what happens if you put stuff on tape
or word trickles out that Joe Smith is killing it
in the practices, and then you know a team needs
a starter and he's Joe Smith is not starting for you,
but he's like third or fourth string, and then he
throws money and the school throws money at him. We're
seeing spring football games or not being televised anymore because
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they don't want to put stuff on tape because guys
are popping and then leaving it really or getting heavily
recruited it's really insane college football. What's happening? I love
the sport. I'll bet on it. I watched the playoff.
I just I'm being honest here and I don't you can't.
There is an a credible argument I've seen about Miami
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over Notre Dame. Essentially every JIBBRONI comes back to you, well,
they beat him on the head to head. Guys, if
we're talking week one and it matters, where's the FSC.
Where's the FSU lost Alabama? Where's Alabama going two and
two in the last four games? Like, I'm super into
the playoff obviously, I think Notre Dame got screwed. Now,
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let me quickly look at the bracket and let's early read.
Where is the bracket. It's somewhere here on my phone. Okay,
so we got first round Oklahoma, Alabama. Oklahoma's a small favorite.
Texas A and m Miami, Ole Miss, Tulane and my
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JMU Dukes are going to Oregon. Yes, sir, they're going
to Oregon. They're twenty one point dogs to the Ducks.
Oregon if it wins, would play Texas Tech, Oh Miss
if they played they if they would they played Georgia
A and M Miami winter plays Ohio State and then
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Oklahoma Alabama winter plays Indiana. While we're doing college football,
just got to give a major shout out to the
Indiana Hoosiers.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That was Listen, it was funny. There were nine conference
championship games Friday and Saturday. All nine games went under.
Usually that's super boring. Indiana Ohio State was kind of fascinating,
mostly because Fernando Mendoza made just a couple of unbelievable
plays proving he's clearly the best quarterback in the twenty
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twenty six draft. I mean, it's not even close. He
looked amazing. And I will say this. If you heard
me on talking about the Bear last week, Chris Felika,
you know there's this Julian saying, hey, he's draft eligible
in twenty seven. Guys, can we just stop. I tried
to say, like, be nice about it, and I didn't
want to. I don't want to kill the kid. He's
you know, he's a first year starter or a young kid.
He is not a pro. I don't know what people
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are seeing, like, Okay, maybe he gets better over the
next two years, but he ain't gonna get bigger and
he looked scared. And I know it was a big
game and the first time they were trailing in the
second half, and maybe Ohio State goes on and wins
the Natty. I just don't see NFL. There's nothing about
saying that I saw in that game against a real defense.
You know, this isn't some of these jokers that they
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were playing through most of the season steamrolling the Big ten.
I just I did not see it at all from
saying And frankly, I thought his coach was scared it
took the ball out of his hands a lot and
didn't want him throw m down the field. Then the
kicker misses the kicker. I'm sure you guy saw the
video before the game. The kicker was doing like trick
kicks were from the side. He would hit from like
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you know where the pylon is if you go to
the back of the end zone. I guess he would
set the ball up there and try to hit the
upright like it was a trick kick. Like I guess
that's the thing. Meanwhile, the guy gets up to make
ticke a twenty six yard er and shanks it. That
was to tie the game, Sohier State did not cover.
They did not look great. Defense was good, but I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Man.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I will say this the college football playoff to me,
my early read is it's wide open. The Georgia offense
is kind of lackluster. Ohio State has two NFL receivers
and their offense could do nothing against Indiana. I mean,
maybe Miami's dangerous. Oklahoma has Matier and I think a
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pretty good defensive coach. Maybe Alabama gets all these guys
back from injury. Oregon should be fully healthy. Maybe Oregon's
a team to watch. Texas Tech defense I love them.
I don't know, guys, I would just say, oh, Misses
the team I'm least scared of because they lost their
head coach in Lane Kiffin. All right, let's get to
the NFL.
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Speaker 2 (13:53):
Live and where else to start in the NFL besides
the Kansas City Frauds sorry, Kansas City Chiefs jagging at
home as favorites. This was three and a half, then four,
then four and a half. Money coming in on the
Chiefs all week and they lose ladies and gentlemen to
the Houston Texans. It's over. The dynasty's done. Texans twenty Chiefs,
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ten folks. And this was just a staggering game. I
don't even know really where to begin, because you know,
I like the Texas all week. I told you guys
were one of the first bets. And then of course
I get buyers Morris when I see it's up to
four and a half. But you just start watching the
Chiefs and on the first play of the game, they'd
lose their backup left tackle, Janya Morris. Mike Tarico said
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the injury was so gruesome that they wouldn't even show
a repla. So no, I didn't see what I didn't
even go online to look for it. So they have
an undrafted guy in there at tackle. I mean, he
didn't get totally lit up. Whoever they had Morris or
this guy was gonna get cooked by Hunter or will Anderson.
But the Chiefs were shut out in the first half
for the first time in the regular season under Andy Reid.
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First time. Now, it did happen in the Super Bowl.
It happened in the ANFC title game against Brady, but this
was the first regular season shutout. In the first half,
it got worse. Okay, six drops by Kansas City. I
mean it was everybody was well. I think Rice Kelsey
might have had three with with Selena Gomez, Taylor Swift,
Leonardo DiCaprio all in the house. I don't know if
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they were filming something, but it was like brahit Kelsey
looking washed washed. I mean, he could catch a cold
out there. BRACEI Rice had a couple drops, but maybe
it's understandable because Petree, who's just such a player back
on the back end of that defense. He's got like
the poofy helmet, so you don't think he's like serious. No,
the poofy helmet kind of looks goofy, so it's tough
to take it seriously. It's safe. I would probably wear
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one if I was in the NFL, but he lit
up Rice so hard on one hit. I mean it
was bone chilling. So they have sick drop the most
of the Mahomes era. This was the I was point
total for the Chiefs with Mahomes under center at home,
they only scored ten points. Now, I thought I heard this,
but I didn't double check it. I could have swore
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that Chris Collins were set on third and fourth down.
Patrick Mahomes was three of ten for two yards. Then
that can't be right. Two yards with one pick and
one sack. Listen, will Anderson was a terror off the edge,
but Mahomes you could tell he was hearing the footsteps.
Fourteen of thirty three, another sub fifty percent completion debate.
Game three interceptions down two were not on him at all.
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Kelsey's gotta catch it. The other Peatree made a ridiculous play,
tipped it and then Doven caught it. The other one
was like an arm punt. So, I mean, Mahomes wasn't terrible,
but essentially the offense just can do nothing. They can't
run the football. I mean, Mahomes was their leading rusher
with fifty nine yards. The immortal Xavier Worthy, remember all
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we kept here, Wait till we get Worthy back, rob Ge.
It's all about Worthy in Receid rice. Now, those were
the problems guys. They've had that, but they stink. They
receive Rice all my fantasy four catches thirty four yards.
They're just not good. It's okay to say that they're
not good. And Andy Reid, Listen, I'm not gonna what
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can you say, You're gonna kill Andy Reid, who's an
amazing coach and as has been just awesome in his
career as a Hall of Famer, no doubt. But I
gotta be honest with you guys. Ten ten, eleven minutes,
ten minutes left in the quarter. It's fourth and one
from the thirty one and you're going for it. Ten
minutes left. You're handing them points now. Now, I guess
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you could say, listen to our defense is playing with their
hair on fire. We'll hold into a field goal. We
can handle that. Well, I don't know. They turn it
over on downs and the Texans go, let's see what
they do. Yeah, they faced the third and three and
it looked like they weren't gonna get anything and settle
for the field goal and Stroud listen. He only had
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three completions in the second half, but Stroud, without question,
like was just unbelievable under pressure, just dealing with it
in the pocket because he was under pressure, like the
Chiefs turned it up in the second half and he
made a throw to Higgins. It was just money eight
yard completion that he had a scramble. And then even
after Wood March gets hurt. The backup runs that did
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not even Nick Chubb a goongawale, and I was like,
oh my gosh. And then they went forward again. The
Chiefs did again. There's still six minutes left, five minutes
up there and there going forward on fourth down, deep
in their own end. Meanwhile, this is a Texans offense
that did nothing in the second half, just a staggering
loss where the Kansas City Chiefs they fall to six
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and seven. Now, I know, I know Rob's not as
excited as I am that the Chiefs are failing. Obviously,
my prediction back in April that the Chiefs would miss
the playoffs. If you look at the comments in that,
I was just getting savage, which I don't care. You guys,
you think these people, you think that these people could
get to me. I don't care about the None of
it bothers me. It's like what we're talking about sports.
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Who cares? This season ends? You forget, I forget. We
move on. But you look at the comments and that,
and they're like, you're drunk. I'm just telling you. Right now,
the Kansas City Chiefs are tied with the Miami Dolphins
in the AFC. This is a Dolphins team that started
one and six and was gonna fire Mike Madrid if
he doesn't get lucky in that Spain game. Remember he
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tried to go for it on fourth down and like
a Ti gate, it was asen nine. They were gonna
leave him at the airport in Spain. They've turned it around.
They're tied with the Chiefs. So the Chiefs had won
nine straight AFC West Crowns. That's over. They now need
major help to get into the playoffs. The schedule is favorable,
not gonna lie, But how long have we been saying
that crap? They've lost four or five now listen to
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the losses, Bills, playoff team, Broncos, playoff team Cowboys that
was bad on Thanksgiving, and now the Texans they're in
the playoffs. But then now they face Chargers, Titans, Titans
did get the win today or Sunday, Broncos and then Raiders,
So for sure they're beating the Titans and Raiders. Can
they win against the Chargers and Broncos and both are
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at home? So I think the answer has to be yes.
You can call them dead at your own apparel, but
the offensive line Wolves are not going anywhere we know
the Broncos have a nasty defensive front. I mean, I'm
not gonna go over where. I do think that the
Titans can hang with them. The Titans could. I don't
know which Titans seed is gonna show up every week
like they show well against Seattle, get their ass kicked
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by Jacksonville beat the Browns, run all over the Browns
number one run defense. Like Titans are wacky, But I
think next season will Next week will be their official
season against the Chargers. They lose, that they're cooked, So Rob,
I know you can detect a lot of glee in
my voice. I'm enjoying this a postseason without Mahomes. I
cannot wait. What do you got?
Speaker 4 (20:55):
You know what's funny is I also picked them to
not win the division, and I thought that was me
going down in the limb. So I'm very excited that
the Chiefs look like that that streak is over. So
I'm already right on that one. The problem is that
you went out on such a limb back in April
saying they're gonna miss the put most season entirely that
I have nothing to do but to like golf clap
and bow to you because you called it like, this team,
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they're not good and at this point they're living off
a reputation and I fell sucker to myself earlier in
the season. I was one of those guys, and hey,
Xavier Worthy being back, whether he's good or not, it
just slots guys into better roles moving forward. And then
you saw there was like a four or five week
stretch where that offense was humming, that they were really
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cooking with gas and then teams just back the way
they should. They're like, hey, Rashie Rice, it's kind of
just running crossing routes and screens. Maybe let's just prevent
that from happening. Patrick Mahomes cannot throw a deep ball
to save his life, So maybe we don't need a shade.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Over the top for Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Brown and Xavier are Worthy and we're just gonna trust
that our defense can affect their offensive line. Number one
and number two, trust that Travis Kelsey is going to
continue to have balls bounce off his hands to the
hands of the defenders, which happened again on Sunday. And
even with all of that going on, Rashid Rice had
a bad drop. Kareem Hunt had a bad drop. You know,
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like the Kelsey one. Of course, I was getting very
frustrated watching that broadcast and hearing Chris Collinsworth go out
of his way to, as a kid, say, glaze Patrick Mahomes,
because Patrick Mahomes, Yes, there were some drops. There were
several drops, and a lot of them in key moments.
He has not looked like all caps Patrick Mahomes for
like three or four years now. So at this point,
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every time you watch him play, you're viewing it through
the lens up. Well, this is the guy that through
fifty touchdowns his first year's starter. This is a guy
who was, you know, breaking every single record known to
man through his verse four or five years as a starter,
and not the guy that we've seen in the last
two or three years who was a very good quarterback.
He's more mature as a quarterback. He's less of a
gun slinger, but he just has not been what I
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would call an elite quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
And you're seeing that play.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Out before our eyes last night against a very good
Texas defense. Mahomes first game of his NFL career, zero
passing touchdowns, multiple picks, less than fifty percent completions. Now
that happens to a lot of people. I mean, like
pick your favorite quarterback. They've had a game like that
once or twice, you know, probably a season. But when
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Patrick Mahomes has it, the talk is, well Kelsey dropped
the passage. It had been interset, like the offensive lines
banged up. But it's like, well, Patrick Mahomes also had
it what should have been a touchdown to Hollywood Brown
on a deep crossing route and he floats it in
the air so he has to come back and catch
it and then gets tacked down at the fifteen yard line.
He said a for a field goal, which they miss.
Like that's what's going on now with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
And this team.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
In the second half, when you thought that the Chiefs
actually played better than they did in the first time,
you mentioned they were shut out two picks by Mahomes
twenty eight percent completion percentage and he was under pressure
about forty percent of the time because they were winning
at the bat.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Like, he hasn't been good. This team hasn't been good.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
And anybody who is surprised that they're in this position
that they're right now has not been paying attention and
they've just been hoping and wishing that we're gonna get
the old Chiefs and that's not happening.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
That's not happening. So I wonder if you know, obviously
there's plenty of time in the offseason, like does Andy
Reid go out like this? Does Kelsey Kelsey just go
get married and become a family guy transitioned to TV podcaster.
I don't know, Frankly, I don't give a shit at
this point, honestly. I mean, they had a great run.
They were in a bunch of Super Bowls. It's over.
I'm sure they'll get back there. I'll just say that
this for all this goadedness that we talk about with Mahomes,
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Rob g how many times Tom Brady missed the playoffs
when he was with the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
And that would be zero, Bob.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, Yeah, we'll leave it at that. You see what
I did there. Let me quickly touch on the shadure standards.
I gotta be honest, I watched it. I thought Shader
made three, three or four amazing throws. The touch pass
to Djoku in the end end zone was incredible. He
had a nice deep ball to Judy like Chador was dealing.
He had a really good game. They lost thirty one
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to twenty nine. She drew a three hundred and sixty
four yards passing three tuddies. He did take two sacks.
I thought he had the second longest time to throw
out any quarterback this season. Clean pocket was doing well.
Did throw a bad pick. But here's the weird part.
I believe that there is a segment of the football
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viewing audience that wants Kevin Stefanski fired over house. Shador
is being handled because yes, Stefanski called for a They
needed a two point conversion in the final minutes, down
by two, they pulled Shador off the field and went
for a gadget play. It was supposed to be a
Jutkins like direct snap and he would sweep and then
I forget who the run of the receiver was. He
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was supposed to pitch it to the receiver. It felt
like an I don't want to say, a bastardized version
of a Philly Special without the quarterback. But it felt
like there was some sort of Philly Special esque miss
to it, and Judkins, in his excitement forgets to pitch
the ball. Then after the guy runs it's kind of
a comedy verse. After the guy runs by him, he's like, oh, snap,
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and then he turns it and like throws it and
it was a disaster. But bottom line is like they
lost the game because they went for two and didn't
get it. But afterward everything is like, why did you
poll Shaduer off the field and try that nonsense? And
I was like, I mean, all right, I didn't love
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the play call, but it was just an aggressive tone.
And then I saw some medium members were like, listen,
this could be the last straw for Stefanski. I'm like,
what a two point conversion gone wrong? What are we
doing here? And I just wonder when you watch Stefanski
do these he's I feel like he's doing zooms. He's
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not meeting with the media. Can you tell Rob if
that's what's going on.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I think it's split. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
When you're watching him on the zoom, he looks so
exasperated by the Shaduur questions that he's almost like, this
is why I didn't want this guy. I didn't want
to have to deal with this. That's the read I
get from his look on his face, Like if Dylan
Gabriel got that last touchdown and you needed to when
you pull him off, nobody's saying, why would you pull
Dylan Gabriel off the field because nobody cares about him.
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And again, I think it would be asenhine for the
Browns to fire Kevin Stefanski. I think it would be
truly asinine. But I just I don't know what the
owners thinking. The ownership there is very wonky. Currently with
one game left, Chargers Eagles won't impact this. The current
draft order is Giants, Raiders, Titans, Browns. Mendoza. I think
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he looks like a first round pick. It was third
and ballgame against the Buckeyes, other worldly defense and he
makes a perfect gotta have it throw down the sideline
to some kid named and I was like, whoa and
Mendoza mobile in the pocket, live arm. I like him
a lot. I think there's no doubt he's gonna be
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the first quarterback off the board. And I'm looking at like, well, Giants,
you know Jackson Dart. I feel like they're going to
give that a go. Probably, we'll see what the new
coach says. Raiders badly need a quarterback. Titans got their
guy Browns three and ten. They need a quarterback. So
if they get the number one pick, are they taking Mendoza?
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And the real question is like, are people getting delusional
about Shdor? Have we seen improvement? Oh? Without a doubt,
he looked good today. Reality check, Rob, This was the Titans.
Everybody looks good against them. They are a terrible football team.
Their defense is rotten. Shador cooked nearly brought them all
the way back. I think people are losing the plot
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here with Kevin Stefanski and Cleveland. This idea that you're
gonna fire him get someone better? Is it because Savanski
you a two time coach of the Year rop He's
really good.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I could not disagree with you more.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
James, Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I'm not not quite Josina Anderson gonna defend Shador Sanders.
But the way that Kevin Stefanski has handled this kid
throughout the season has been coaching malpractice and nothing worse
than what we saw on Sunday. He closes the game
on the last two drives when they're down by two scores,
gotta have it eight for ten with a touchdown including
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a touchdown run. So the kid was starting to really
really find a groove against that. And now again it
is the Titans.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
You mentioned it. Titans are not.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Any good at all. This was described as the toilet Bowl,
if you will, between cam Ward and Shadoor Sanders, but
he was doing everything that you would ask of him
to do. Yesterday on Sunday, Shadoor Sanders became the first
Browns quarterback ever, not in the last five years, not
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the last ten or twenty or thirty, first Browns quarterback
ever to go for three p fifty plus three passing
touchdowns and a rushing touchdown in the same game. He
was as good as anybody could hope from a rookie
quarterback making what was that his third start of his
NFL career, and they did what they've done to him
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throughout this time, and honestly what they did to Dylan
Gabriel as well. Kevin Stefanski decides he is going to
put his own self interest ahead of the interest of
the franchise because them finishing up with a win or
getting a w and finishing the season at five and
twelve as opposed to four and thirteen is immaterial. It
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does nothing to them, does nothing to help them moving forward.
It is nothing to help them this season. Shador standers,
and we talked about this before. Not getting him reps
in practice is coaching out because you know that Kenny
Pickett and Joe.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Flack were not the answer long term. That's number one.
Number two.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
When he did get they practice, are he starting to
a player in the season. They take him out in
the preseason during the two minute drill like, no, we
need to get somebody else, and the guy who knows you,
it's like, well, why don't you want to see what
you have in this young quarterback? And last, but not least,
this is something that they've done throughout the season. It's
going for two in the wildcat situation with Jenigings. This
is not new. It's not something they just did on Sunday.
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Throughout the season, they get in close, they pull the quarterback.
They've run a wildcat and it's been reasonably success. Gonna
say it's one hundred percent or zero percent, but it's
been okay. The problem is you have a quarterback who's
playing with a lot of confidence. He's showing that the
team around him is galvanized. For whatever it's worth, they're
enjoying what they're seeing from him. If you win the game,
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if you lose the game, it doesn't matter. What you
want to do is put the ball in his hands.
Put him in these situations and see what he's got.
And if you continue to pull the rug out from
under him because you have this frustration with the media,
or you just don't like this kid, or you don't
like you know, whatever he's about. Whatever, the answer is,
it's not about you. It's about the Cleveland Browns. And
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right now we don't know whether or not Shador Sanders
can be good in a two point conversion. We don't
know up until yesterday how good he is in a
two minute drill because you kept taking those opportunities away
from him. And that's why I believe Kevin Stefanski is
gonna be on the hot seat. And that's why I
would not be surprised if this offseason, depending who's available,
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he could be looking for a new job.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
So one of the big things about firing coaches is
you've got to have like a game plan. I'm like, okay, listen,
I wouldn't fire. But if you articulate the game plan,
if you're the GM and you go to the owner
and say, hey, listen, I don't like what Sefanski's doing
with this kid, we gotta do something. Okay, well, what
do you think about doing? Well, I'm not firing him
unless you're gonna tell me your plan who you got,
Like Penn State that situation when James Frandsly the ran
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him off the middle of the season and they were like,
we're gonna get somebody were good, They got nobody. They
whiffed on Signetty and a bunch of people. Then they
fall asked backwards into Matt Campbell.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Higher I believe Matt Campbell was well regarded at Iowa State,
excellent coach, wanted by the pros, delivered players to the pros.
And it's like, wait, why didn't anybody think of Matt
Campbell before? Great get Now they fell backwards into him.
I don't know that the NFL is gonna work like that,
because I mean, rob this is kind of a barren market.
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Like I saw what's her name? She writes at the athletics.
She's an NFL Rusini. She's like, here are a list
of the coaches and it's like, okay, what agent gave
you that. It's like seven defensive coordinators and one of
them is like Matt Nagy and I'm like, what nobody's
bringing in? Nakey, Okay, it's not happening, Like a lot
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of I'm like, you can't fire in my opinion, Stefanski
and bringing a guy like Naggy, you can't. So if
you could say, hey, we're gonna steal you know, this
guy or this coordinator or this guy Marcus Freeman, We're
gonna get him, notre Dame, Like, come on, it's not happening.
So I don't know where the great candidates are. It's
just not a great year. I don't know if Dable qualifies.
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But this also dovetails into the New York Giants situation
because there's a lot of rumors that they want Mike
Tomlin or they want John Harbaugh, and I'm like, what
the Tomlin stuff I didn't get last week? Now it's
gonna be silenced because Aaron Rodgers had his best game
in years and the Steelers stunned the Ravens. One of
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the picks I was way, way wrong about Ravens, just
they are on the struggle bus Lamar Jackson's just not
the same guy. But the thing I noticed watching the
Ravens is I saw zero energy, zero juice. Like Aaron
Rodgers is immobile. He can't go anywhere. We watched him
get bodied by the Buffalo bills. Okay, the Ravens didn't
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sack him once or turn him over once this week,
like really could. There was like no pressure. They were
sitting back and the secondary is getting cooked. DK met
half at his best day by a mile. I mean,
the Steelers didn't have an air pass over twenty yards
completed in over a month. I think the exact date
was October twenty sixth. They had multiple on Sunday. It's like,
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what are the Ravens doing? And I just wonder are
the Ravens kind of quiet quitting on Harball? I don't
know what's happening. I mean, Lamar is not the same guy.
You almost wonder like Lamar's been back for a minute.
I don't know, Rob, have we seen the best Lamar
Jackson that we're gonna see. He's a two time MVP,
he's not even thirty, he's not even twenty nine. He
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just doesn't look like the same guy, doesn't look certain.
I don't want to see say teams have figured him out,
but I'm not seeing anything. So it's weird. If you
want to run off John Harbaugh and Ravens fans today
are pissed because that's the problem. When you can't when
you can't definitely blame, like you're not gonna run off Lamar. Okay,
he just not. You look to blame someone else, and
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Harball is getting to blame.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
It's weird because the blame was on Tomlin last week
and I'm like, uh, okay, what's your game plan? Who
are you bringing in? And I don't want to hear Oh,
we'll go get Brian Dabole because I will remind you
he did nothing new. Your did want a playoff game
with Daniel Jones. He did, and outside of that, he
did like nothing, and he couldn't control the locker room.
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And abdual Carter was just sleeping meetings and he wouldn't
do a damn thing. Okay, And he decided he wanted
to start Russell Wilson this season. Okay, so like I
Russell Wilson's not like the third quarterback. I think he
was announcing a game over the week. I don't know,
but like this whole fire Tomlin fire Harbor, I don't
know what's gonna happen, but Rob, it is interesting that
so many people are so angry. I just want to
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remind you, you run off a good coach. You don't
know when you're gonna find another good one. Okay, you
gotta cycle through him. Trust me, I know coaches a
quarterbacks because I know my Jets and it's been a
long thirty years.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Okay, guys, that is a very good point in case
in point.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Look at my Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
You know, we thought Carol's gonna be done right.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
We're gonna get a coach who's gonna stabilize the franchise.
He's gonna be a culture setter. And you know, we're
maybe not building for the long term, but in the
short term, we're gonna be respectable. We're gonna go from
five wins to eight to nine wins right off the bat. No,
we're going the exact oppice direction. So yes, I could
totally see that happening. And it's funny that you mentioned
these two guys in this Baltimore Pittsburgh game, because it
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looks like both of their fan bases are really fed
up with each guy. And I know that Mike Tomlin
Aaron Rodgers kind of quieted the Boo Birds at least
for one week. Let's see what happens next week, right,
Like this offense got right for one game. I don't
trust them to be right for the rest of the season.
And I picked Baltimore to win this game, full disclosure,
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and obviously I was wrong, but I didn't pick them
because I was like, hey, Baltimore is looking really good
right now, and you know, I think Baltimore is the
better No, it's just more about the Pittsburgh Steelers look
like a dumpster fire for the last six weeks and
nothing to do with how good. I think Baltimore has
been playing horribly and you touched on it. Lamar Jackson,
since he's come back from that damstring injury, is either
more hurt than he's willing to let on or it's
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in his head at this point because he's not really running.
I know he ran a little bit on Sunday, but
he's not running like he usually does. When he does run,
he's not running away from people like he normally does.
And when he throws the football, he's I want to say,
he's like floating it, like kind of Tua throwing these
balls a little bit where it's a lot of air,
and it like he's kind of tossing them as opposed
to stepping into it and firing the ways.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Look, yeah, the way he used to.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Like, if you look at the Lamar Jackson we saw
in the first month of the season when they were losing,
he looked light years better than what we've seen in
the last six weeks of the season. So it's interesting
that you mentioned these two guys again, because even with
the win, I could totally see Mike Tomlin getting bounced
out this end of the season. I could see a
team like I don't know, Cincinnati saying, hey, what we
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need is a stabilizing force. Let's bring Mike Tomlin and
we already have an offensive plays, let him work on
the defense, and we'll.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Just go that route.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
I could totally see a situation where the Baltimore Ravens say,
you know what, We've had a lot of success with Harball.
He's been really good for us, but maybe it's just
kind of run its course. We thought it ran its course,
you know, seven eight years ago, and then Lamar Jackson
came in and totally changed their fortunes.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
So maybe we'll be proactive here. We'll get rid of him.
We'll promote either the defense or aston accordion.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
I don't think they be the kinds he would bring
people from the outside, but just say, hey, we need
a new voice with this team, and that's kind of
run its course.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, the new voice angle is interesting, but I would
just hope that that voice has been a head coaching
voice before, like a Tom Coughlin or you know, I
don't know that that voice can be like a twenty
of twenty, like a thirty five forty forty five year
old guy like Sean McVeigh. Everybody's like, well, look at McVeigh.
He ends up with the with the rams. He came
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out of nowhere. Dude, mcvhay's won and a million. I mean,
that guy's really freaking good. You think mcvay's grow on trees,
go pluck from the McVeigh tree. Let's let me know
how that works out.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
All NFL tree If we're being honest, though, half the
NFL is the mcveag tree.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, there was.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Like a five year run with Oh you worked with
John McVeigh for six weeks. Yeah, you're a new offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
You had dinner with him last week?
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Oh? Done? Deal.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah it's interesting because I mean, again, if you're hiring,
you want someone coming from like a good culture. But like,
let's just look at the playoff teams like Vray Bowl
was a head coach, Slam Dunk, Sean Payton was a
head coach. That's easy. Now Liam Cohen is interesting. He's
with the Jags. They've caught some breaks. The Jags, by
the way, I don't know if we're going to talk
about them really here. They're nine and four. I think
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they've won five of six. They look like they're gonna
be the three seed and the host a playoff game.
I don't see them catching Denver in New England. I
don't see anyone from the Steelers Ravens catching Jacksonville. That's
kind of crazy. But yeah, again, Liam Cohen has been
amazing this year. Mike Tomlin's a longtime coach. Mcdermot's a
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long time coach, Jim Harbaugh and then Dimico Ryans has
has a really good quarterback in the NFC. Peyton Lafleur was.
Wasn't he the o C? I think he's in the
Shanahan McVeigh tree.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
I think he was from He was an o C
for McVeigh. Same thing with Zach Taylor. Yes, one of
them was a quarterback coach and one.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Of them was the OC. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Nick Sirianni I don't know. I don't know where he
came from.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
But he was OC for the Colts.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Who was the head coach? Was that?
Speaker 4 (41:37):
I'm not even remembering to the Colts Tampa Bay. No,
he was a side coach now, No, but I know
he came from. He came from the Colts, Okay, Seahawks,
from McDonald. I like what he's done.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
He's a harball guy. He was with HARBAUGHDT Michigan, Todd,
Todd Bowles and Tampa.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Where was he He was a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, he's been around for a little while, all of
us in Tampa. I'm just so pissed at them. I
kn't even talk about those bastards. All right, you know
we could wrap up with there was one other topic. Yeah,
let do Let's do Packers Bears real quick. So did
hit this game? Six and a half Packers, They get
the touchdown late cover. When that being said, I thought
it would be much easier than this. I gotta be real,
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guys keeping it one hundred. I was impressed with Kleb Williams.
I was impressed. They were down fourteen to three, they
came back. They were down twenty one eleven, they came
back and it wasn't lucky stuff. Was it turnovers? It
was Caleb Williams. The run game wasn't really working. They
end up with one hundred and thirty eight rushing yards
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but no carry longer than nine yards. So it wasn't
in a bunch of explosives. Third down the money down
in the NFL, Caleb Williams eight of sixteen conversions. Now
I'm sorry they were not that. He was eight of
sixteen passing, but the Bears were eight of sixteen on
third down. Your quarterback making plays on third down, he
was good and you know what he so. Sam Darnold
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doesn't like when you force him to his left. He
does not roll out to his left well at all.
The Vikings showed that anytime he rolled left, man it
was ugly. Falcons obviously didn't do that this week, as
they're idiots. Every time Caleb Williams rolled to the right,
I'm thinking, oh, he's gonna throw it away, always going
out of bounce, and he was dropping dimes. I was like, Holy,
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he's throwing lasers down the field on the run. That
impressed the hell out of me, even in defeat. I
thought that was one of his best games.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Of the season.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I was thoroughly impressed because they needed him. They were trailing,
and I was like, yeah, you wait to Caleb Williams's trailing.
Let's see what he's got. He looked pretty freaking good.
I was very impressed, borderline blown away by how good
he was. Red zone A bit of a buggaboo two
a four in the red zone. How about this stat,
rob Gie. The Packers got to the red zone once
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in the final five minutes.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
The other touchdowns were all splash plays, big plays. The Bears.
Bad decision, let's bloot Jordan Love, don't do that. They
left Christian Watson on an island twice and he just
absolutely roasted the defender. You can't guard him one on
one unless you've got any lead. He's too fast, too big,
his hands are great. I mean Watson, I started him
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in fantasy, so I'm excited. But the Bears just had
some defensive like breakdowns on the back end. But I'm
just telling you, I was stunned. Now it stinks for
the Bears. Everybody's kind of clowning them. You guys were first,
now you're seventh. I think they're gonna make the playoffs,
but I'm not certain they don't have the tie break
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as of now with the Niners. The Lions are coming
and already have a win over the Bears. The Bears
get him at home, though I don't know. Rob Bears
are a scary, interesting team because Ben Johnson is really
he's just good. I was impressed by the Bears. I
don't know how much of that you saw.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
I watched a lot of the Bears actually, because I
you know, I had two fulls culture. I did not
have the Raiders on any of my bigger TVs. I
had that on the smallest phone possible. I had the
two big TVs Shoeing Rams, which was a blowout, so
I kind of had that, just kind of in the periphery.
But I was locked in the Packers Bears. And it's
funny you say you can't wait impressed with Kayler Williams,
because it felt very JJ McCarthy ish to me on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
The first half was horrible.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
I think he finished the first half the numbers here
six of fourteen for thirty two yards. He was just bad,
just flat out bad. And then in the second half
something happened.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Then he goes.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Thirteen to twenty one two touchdowns one hundred and fifty
plus yards, and of course the game's only picked and
he made some throws where you're just like wow, like
there's three or four guys tops in the NFL who
gonna make that throw rolling, so you're right, you know,
dropping it in a bucket like that kind of stuff.
But he was incredible avoiding pressure all the way up
down the field. But at the same time, he'd have
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these layup passes that he would just miss by two feet.
And then in the game ceiling interception they bust coverage,
should have been a touchdown. He doesn't see him, he
throws it short, drifts it interception Like, that's not I'm
not gonna jump down his throat about that because it happens,
especially as a young guy, it's only his second season,
first season with a new system. But he does just
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enough of those kind of plays a game where he's
like really inconsistent. And the problem with that is, and again,
he's gonna get better as he keeps playing, and he's
gonna be better yet next year he be better. In
your four is that I believe that this Bears team,
with this coaching staff, is ready to win right now,
hence why they were nine to three coming into Sunday.
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The problem is, I don't think Caleb Williams is ready
to win right now. I don't think he's in his
stage into development where they can be expected to win
a playoff game or to advance deep in a postseason.
And so it sucks that this, to me, is gonna
be like a gap year for them, because I believe
that that running game is really good, the offensive line
is great, the defense is really good, and Ben Johnson
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is drawing up a lot of guys wide open that
Caleb will miss the first time flat out throwing in completion,
or he'll miss the first window, make something incredible happen
and make like a wild throw that should have been
done four seconds ago, you know. So it's it's a
lot of up and down roller coaster type stuff that
you're gonna have to just deal with it and hope
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that come this time next year that they're a better
team because of it.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, I mean, it's I think you're probably right there
a year away, But I I a lot of it's
gonna come down to Caleb because other than like some
help on the back end of the secondary in the
draft or free agency. There's not a lot of needs
on this team. They got the receivers. They were missing
their number one receiver, Roalmadenze. They got tight ends like
they're good.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
They got players, They got a lot of players.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, they got a good squad.
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Speaker 2 (48:18):
All right, So Monday Night football, Eagles, Chargers. I did
hit Eagles minus two and a half, mostly rob It's
because I don't know what we have from Justin Herbert,
and I do think the Eagles bounce back. You know,
they haven't looked great at home this season, but you
go on the road and they're like, oh, we'll go
to Kansas City beat the Chiefs. Although that doesn't look
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as good now. They went to Tampa beat the Bucks.
That's solid win. They let I think they let the
Cowboys twenty one nothing on the road like they away
from home. They had a nice win at Minnesota before
the Vikings fell off. Like you know, the pressure of
Philly maybe gets to them at home. I don't know
the noise, but I do think going on road so far,
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probably sixty five sixty eight percent Eagles fans, that's my guest.
I do think they're gonna be fine. And yeah, like
I said, I don't know what Herbert gives you. No
Jalen Carter for the Eagles, so that won't be great.
Omar on Hamptown is back for the Chargers. Chargers will
run the ball thirty or more times. I think the
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real question is what does Jesse Minter do? Does he
stay in his quarter zone because we know that you know,
Jalen Hurts has some issues against zone. He much prefers
man throwing his guys open like AJ Brown. This should
be a big DeVante Smith game, just going and sitting
in the pockets. Eagles offensive line hasn't been great. You know,
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a Saquan have a big one. I doubt it, so
I'll go, but you give me less than a field
goal for the Eagles, and I do think remember the
Chargers have their season next week against the Chiefs, and
I wonder if there's a little looking at no. Divisional
matchup doesn't mean as much in the division. Next week
is huge. You win that and you could just eliminate
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the Chiefs. You could, you could bury them. So, you know,
I don't know what kind of effor we get, especially
with the with the whole, Like if it's Trey Lance,
this is probably what seven and a half. So I'll
go Eagles Eagles twenty one, Charger seventeen. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
I could not agree with you more. And again, this
has less to do with the Eagles everything to do
with the Chargers. Until we see how Justin Herbert can
function with that hand injury, it's hard to bet on him.
And the other thing is you would say, okay, well,
if he's compromised, we're gonna lean on the running game.
Unte what we can do. I believe is it Jordan,
is it Carter or Davis? Who's out with the d
(50:43):
Jalen Carter is out right, So you're like, hey, we're
gonna try to run the ball down their throats. Well,
the problem is Marion haf is making his first return
from the IR We don't know what he's gonna look
like after missing the last what six weeks? Yeah, you
know that offensive line is not great, and that's an understatement.
So you know, you don't think that they can really
take the pressure off of Justin Herbert the way you
would like to. So with that in mind, even though
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I don't think the Eagles are a great team, and
if all things a regal, I would probably pick the Chargers,
But in this specific situation, I think you gotta take Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Yeah, all right, a long Monday Pod. We are back tomorrow.
You see that Lakers win, rob g Hell, yeah, we back.
Nice to have King James back. They lost Friday to
the Celtics and they get the nice bounce back. I
still can't I mean, Thunder won't lose. Gonna make the
tough for the Lakers to catch him to Thunder, I mean,
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and do you think at any point they people start
caring about them or no?
Speaker 4 (51:38):
When they get to sixty five wins are sixty five
and six, then.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I know you can see sixty one all right, nobody
cares about Yeah, sorry, guys, I had to get that.
And they've won fifteen straight. Lakers are now tied with
the Nugs for the second in the West. How about them? Lakers,
rob g Gee Tomorrow
This is straight fire with Jason McIntire.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is a baym It's me Jason McIntire, straight four
year for Monday, December the eighth. Though it was a
phenomenal football weekend, I actually didn't play any basketball, didn't
go to the gym, kind of relaxed, kicked, it didn't
have any kids' sports, wasn't wasn't feeling one thousand percent,
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so I decided to chill in and watched a ton
of football. The football Saturday did not go great on
the bets, I mean, Ohios Date didn't get there, Texas
Tech did what was the oh Alabama got their doors
blown off, embarrassed. We'll obviously touch on that. And then
Sunday NFL was chaotic. Some big wins did lose survivor
(00:54):
I don't really want to talk about it. We had Tampa.
Tampa pooped their pants two for seven on fourth down.
I mean, give me break. And the big drawback is
we are backup was the Browns. We wanted to save
the Eagles for next week against the Raiders, and the
Browns of course also lose that. There's no way I
was taking the Browns. But yeah, disappointing. We will not
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get the pot? Can I mention the pot now? I
hope my buddy doesn't mind. The pot was one hundred
and eighty thousand dollars and we're now under one hundred people.
I loved our chances, I loved our teams. We were
in great shape. But onward we go. I actually think
the biggest story in the NFL is Trump. Well, what
is the biggest story in the NFL? Is it the
Daniel Jones Achilles? I don't know. Is it the Chiefs
(01:36):
Texans thriller on Sunday Night Football? Is it the Buffalo
Bill's Bengals craziness? I don't know. Jayden Daniels heard again,
I don't know what the biggest story is in the NFL,
But I won't know what the biggest story in sports is,
and that is Notre Dame getting absolutely hosed by the
kangaroo court that was the NCAA selection committee for the playoffs.
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I mean, just an absolute joke of a decision by
the committee. I mean essentially they rug pulled Notre Dame.
They had Notre Dame ahead of Miami. Throughout this entire process,
absolutely nothing changes this weekend from Miami. The acc result
did not matter that Miami didn't play either of those teams,
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and then all of a sudden, poof Notre Dame finds
himself on the outside looking in and Miami leapfrogs them.
Like what, It's just absolutely hysterical. Unless you're a Notre
Dame fan, then you're just pissed and livid. One of
the best stats, and there's many, this one was so
eye popping. So in the last three years, there's been
sixteen conference championship game losers and they were all ranked
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in the top twenty five going into the game. Right
sixteen of them fifteen dropped after the loss. The only
one that did not drop was Alabama. So essentially everybody's
penalized for losing a conference championship game except Alabama, and
Alabama was humiliated by Georgia. This is another insane stat.
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So the big Alabama what was that they say the
feather in their hat or whatever it is saying is
is oh, well, Alabama went to Georgia and one I
was like okay, great. That was early in the season,
so then people started to look closer at that game
and like, okay, so Alabama Georgia played one hundred and
twenty minutes of football two games sixty plus sixty one
to twenty math. The first thirty minutes, Alabama outscored Georgia
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twenty four to fourteen. They came out of the gate
so hot in Athens it was awesome. Which you don't
remember is the second half they got outplayed, and what
you saw on Saturday was sixty minutes of Georgia dominance.
So first thirty minutes Alabama twenty four to fourteen, next
ninety minutes Georgia thirty five to seven. Essentially, we're rewarding
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Alabama for a being in the SEC and b one
really good half of football against Georgia. And again we
don't need to sit here and debate the doesn't the
doesn't the season opener count? The head to head? Well,
I don't know. Alabama wasn't penalized for losing their season
opener against a sub five hundred FSU team. I mean,
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I don't know that didn't hurt Alabama, But somehow it
means everything in Miami Notre Dame. Like in no other
sport do we say, well, remember what happened in the
first week of the season. It doesn't matter. Nobody cares.
In the NBA, nobody cares in the NFL. What happened
to the first It does not matter. It is irrelevant,
March madness irrelevant. You know what matters in March madness
to get picked for the sixty eight team field? How
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have you done in your last ten games that matters
more heading into the tournament? Like, for whatever reason, the committee,
I guess leaned on that. Now here's the odd part.
I have not seen many interviews for them explaining why
Alabama didn't get dropped, why Miami leapfrog Notre Dame, Like
none of it made sense. But I'm gonna go a
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place and I you know, I know my agent would
be like Jay mc, don't do this. You know, come
on to be smart. I'm not ripping ESPN in no way,
shape or for him. Am I ripping ESPN? But ESPN
is a TV partner for the SEC and the ACC.
And if you watched any of the I don't know.
I'll just say conservatively, twelve people that ESPN had on
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air talking about the college Football Playoff, all of them
had Miami had a Notre Dame. That is insane, that's crazy,
all of them in lockstep because of a Week one victory.
It's almost as if the losses to SMU as a
double dig your favorite and Louisville as a double did
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your favorite, like did not matter? They happened more recently
Notre Dame again, you could do it on like, oh
the head to head matters, Okay, well what else matters?
Because it's, you know, essentially a compilation, a soup, if
you will. When you're built these these cases and these resumes,
just like when you're applying to college and applying to
any job, it's not just about one thing, right, and
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all the analytics had Notre Dame as the better team,
Notre Dame was going to be favored against anybody in
the field. Notre Dame statistically, a better offensive team, a
better defensive team, better strength to schedule, sp plus whatever
metric you want. Notre Dame was ahead of Miami. And
I personally would have dropped Alabama out three losses really
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in their last four games, just two and two. I
don't see Alabama. I mean, but I'm a weirdough I
you know, I have nothing to gain here. Obviously, I
rooted as a kid from Miami hardcore that you was
my first favorite football team, right there with the Jets,
and I have buddies who went to Notre Dame, so
I'm a huge Notre Dame fan. But like I mean,
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when Michael Irvin would come on the set and shows,
I would love talking about Miami Hurricanes with a playmaker.
It was a huge Miami fan growing up. I wish
I had photos of me in a starter jacket. I
might ask my mom if she can come through and
find some of them. But like this idea that I'm
a Miami hater, Like, guys, that's insane. I have nothing
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to gain from this whatsoever. I'm just looking objectively. I
have no dog in this fight. I'm not stumping for
either the ACC or SEC. Now what is kind of
interesting is some people were like, oh, you're a big
You're a big ten homwork because you're a Fox. Oh no, yes,
I do talk about the Big ten a lot on Fox. Yes,
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I talk about Indiana, Ohios, Date all that stuff. But no,
in any way, shape or form, was Michigan in the discussion.
Like I wasn't saying Oregon should leap Texas Tech for
the Ford. I wasn't doing that. Like we got guys
at the other network who are essentially saying Notre Dame
does not deserve to be in because it's beneficial for
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them to get an ACC team in. I mean, and
there is a narrative going on around today that ESPN
is bad for college football. Now I'm not I'm not
ready to go that far, but the idea that they
put on this stupid TV show that is entirely useless
when at the last second you're just gonna rug pull
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everything and just say no, we're gonna do this. Yeah,
it is almost like I saw somebody analogize it to Hey,
it is a TV show, but you know what TV
shows need shocking plot twists, and that's what this was.
And Notre Dame came out and said, you know, the
early rankings are a farce and a waste of time.
And they went as far to say, we're not playing
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in any bowl game. Take your bowl game in and
shove it up your ass. Yeah, that's where Notre Dame
wasn't I've fully endorsed. That's the where's the win there to, Oh,
you want to use me to put me on TV
to get ratings and generate more money and interest. No,
go take some five and seven Appalachian State team or something.
And it's weird because you know, I've been saying for
years the bowl games are dead, they're exhibition games, They're useless.
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And now all of a sudden, out of nowhere, what
do we have. Oh look, nobody wants to play in
a ball game. All of a sudden, everybody's dropping bowl games.
A lot of good teams are just saying no thanks.
But there is another element to it. And I keep
seeing people saying, oh, Jay, come on, what about those
extra fifteen practices. I'm like, I don't know, guys in
the nil on the portal era, what's the point of
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these practices if some of these guys are gonna bounce anyway?
And then what happens if you put stuff on tape
or word trickles out that Joe Smith is killing it
in the practices, and then you know a team needs
a starter and he's Joe Smith is not starting for you,
but he's like third or fourth string, and then he
throws money and the school throws money at him. We're
seeing spring football games or not being televised anymore because
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they don't want to put stuff on tape because guys
are popping and then leaving it really or getting heavily
recruited it's really insane college football. What's happening? I love
the sport. I'll bet on it. I watched the playoff.
I just I'm being honest here and I don't you can't.
There is an a credible argument I've seen about Miami
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over Notre Dame. Essentially every JIBBRONI comes back to you, well,
they beat him on the head to head. Guys, if
we're talking week one and it matters, where's the FSC.
Where's the FSU lost Alabama? Where's Alabama going two and
two in the last four games? Like, I'm super into
the playoff obviously, I think Notre Dame got screwed. Now,
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let me quickly look at the bracket and let's early read.
Where is the bracket. It's somewhere here on my phone. Okay,
so we got first round Oklahoma, Alabama. Oklahoma's a small favorite.
Texas A and m Miami, Ole Miss, Tulane and my
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JMU Dukes are going to Oregon. Yes, sir, they're going
to Oregon. They're twenty one point dogs to the Ducks.
Oregon if it wins, would play Texas Tech, Oh Miss
if they played they if they would they played Georgia
A and M Miami winter plays Ohio State and then
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Oklahoma Alabama winter plays Indiana. While we're doing college football,
just got to give a major shout out to the
Indiana Hoosiers.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That was Listen, it was funny. There were nine conference
championship games Friday and Saturday. All nine games went under.
Usually that's super boring. Indiana Ohio State was kind of fascinating,
mostly because Fernando Mendoza made just a couple of unbelievable
plays proving he's clearly the best quarterback in the twenty
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twenty six draft. I mean, it's not even close. He
looked amazing. And I will say this. If you heard
me on talking about the Bear last week, Chris Felika,
you know there's this Julian saying, hey, he's draft eligible
in twenty seven. Guys, can we just stop. I tried
to say, like, be nice about it, and I didn't
want to. I don't want to kill the kid. He's
you know, he's a first year starter or a young kid.
He is not a pro. I don't know what people
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are seeing, like, Okay, maybe he gets better over the
next two years, but he ain't gonna get bigger and
he looked scared. And I know it was a big
game and the first time they were trailing in the
second half, and maybe Ohio State goes on and wins
the Natty. I just don't see NFL. There's nothing about
saying that I saw in that game against a real defense.
You know, this isn't some of these jokers that they
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were playing through most of the season steamrolling the Big ten.
I just I did not see it at all from
saying And frankly, I thought his coach was scared it
took the ball out of his hands a lot and
didn't want him throw m down the field. Then the
kicker misses the kicker. I'm sure you guy saw the
video before the game. The kicker was doing like trick
kicks were from the side. He would hit from like
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you know where the pylon is if you go to
the back of the end zone. I guess he would
set the ball up there and try to hit the
upright like it was a trick kick. Like I guess
that's the thing. Meanwhile, the guy gets up to make
ticke a twenty six yard er and shanks it. That
was to tie the game, Sohier State did not cover.
They did not look great. Defense was good, but I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Man.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I will say this the college football playoff to me,
my early read is it's wide open. The Georgia offense
is kind of lackluster. Ohio State has two NFL receivers
and their offense could do nothing against Indiana. I mean,
maybe Miami's dangerous. Oklahoma has Matier and I think a
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pretty good defensive coach. Maybe Alabama gets all these guys
back from injury. Oregon should be fully healthy. Maybe Oregon's
a team to watch. Texas Tech defense I love them.
I don't know, guys, I would just say, oh, Misses
the team I'm least scared of because they lost their
head coach in Lane Kiffin. All right, let's get to
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
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Speaker 2 (13:53):
Live and where else to start in the NFL besides
the Kansas City Frauds sorry, Kansas City Chiefs jagging at
home as favorites. This was three and a half, then four,
then four and a half. Money coming in on the
Chiefs all week and they lose ladies and gentlemen to
the Houston Texans. It's over. The dynasty's done. Texans twenty Chiefs,
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ten folks. And this was just a staggering game. I
don't even know really where to begin, because you know,
I like the Texas all week. I told you guys
were one of the first bets. And then of course
I get buyers Morris when I see it's up to
four and a half. But you just start watching the
Chiefs and on the first play of the game, they'd
lose their backup left tackle, Janya Morris. Mike Tarico said
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the injury was so gruesome that they wouldn't even show
a repla. So no, I didn't see what I didn't
even go online to look for it. So they have
an undrafted guy in there at tackle. I mean, he
didn't get totally lit up. Whoever they had Morris or
this guy was gonna get cooked by Hunter or will Anderson.
But the Chiefs were shut out in the first half
for the first time in the regular season under Andy Reid.
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First time. Now, it did happen in the Super Bowl.
It happened in the ANFC title game against Brady, but this
was the first regular season shutout. In the first half,
it got worse. Okay, six drops by Kansas City. I
mean it was everybody was well. I think Rice Kelsey
might have had three with with Selena Gomez, Taylor Swift,
Leonardo DiCaprio all in the house. I don't know if
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they were filming something, but it was like brahit Kelsey
looking washed washed. I mean, he could catch a cold
out there. BRACEI Rice had a couple drops, but maybe
it's understandable because Petree, who's just such a player back
on the back end of that defense. He's got like
the poofy helmet, so you don't think he's like serious. No,
the poofy helmet kind of looks goofy, so it's tough
to take it seriously. It's safe. I would probably wear
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one if I was in the NFL, but he lit
up Rice so hard on one hit. I mean it
was bone chilling. So they have sick drop the most
of the Mahomes era. This was the I was point
total for the Chiefs with Mahomes under center at home,
they only scored ten points. Now, I thought I heard this,
but I didn't double check it. I could have swore
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that Chris Collins were set on third and fourth down.
Patrick Mahomes was three of ten for two yards. Then
that can't be right. Two yards with one pick and
one sack. Listen, will Anderson was a terror off the edge,
but Mahomes you could tell he was hearing the footsteps.
Fourteen of thirty three, another sub fifty percent completion debate.
Game three interceptions down two were not on him at all.
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Kelsey's gotta catch it. The other Peatree made a ridiculous play,
tipped it and then Doven caught it. The other one
was like an arm punt. So, I mean, Mahomes wasn't terrible,
but essentially the offense just can do nothing. They can't
run the football. I mean, Mahomes was their leading rusher
with fifty nine yards. The immortal Xavier Worthy, remember all
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we kept here, Wait till we get Worthy back, rob Ge.
It's all about Worthy in Receid rice. Now, those were
the problems guys. They've had that, but they stink. They
receive Rice all my fantasy four catches thirty four yards.
They're just not good. It's okay to say that they're
not good. And Andy Reid, Listen, I'm not gonna what
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can you say, You're gonna kill Andy Reid, who's an
amazing coach and as has been just awesome in his
career as a Hall of Famer, no doubt. But I
gotta be honest with you guys. Ten ten, eleven minutes,
ten minutes left in the quarter. It's fourth and one
from the thirty one and you're going for it. Ten
minutes left. You're handing them points now. Now, I guess
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you could say, listen to our defense is playing with their
hair on fire. We'll hold into a field goal. We
can handle that. Well, I don't know. They turn it
over on downs and the Texans go, let's see what
they do. Yeah, they faced the third and three and
it looked like they weren't gonna get anything and settle
for the field goal and Stroud listen. He only had
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three completions in the second half, but Stroud, without question,
like was just unbelievable under pressure, just dealing with it
in the pocket because he was under pressure, like the
Chiefs turned it up in the second half and he
made a throw to Higgins. It was just money eight
yard completion that he had a scramble. And then even
after Wood March gets hurt. The backup runs that did
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not even Nick Chubb a goongawale, and I was like,
oh my gosh. And then they went forward again. The
Chiefs did again. There's still six minutes left, five minutes
up there and there going forward on fourth down, deep
in their own end. Meanwhile, this is a Texans offense
that did nothing in the second half, just a staggering
loss where the Kansas City Chiefs they fall to six
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and seven. Now, I know, I know Rob's not as
excited as I am that the Chiefs are failing. Obviously,
my prediction back in April that the Chiefs would miss
the playoffs. If you look at the comments in that,
I was just getting savage, which I don't care. You guys,
you think these people, you think that these people could
get to me. I don't care about the None of
it bothers me. It's like what we're talking about sports.
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Who cares? This season ends? You forget, I forget. We
move on. But you look at the comments and that,
and they're like, you're drunk. I'm just telling you. Right now,
the Kansas City Chiefs are tied with the Miami Dolphins
in the AFC. This is a Dolphins team that started
one and six and was gonna fire Mike Madrid if
he doesn't get lucky in that Spain game. Remember he
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tried to go for it on fourth down and like
a Ti gate, it was asen nine. They were gonna
leave him at the airport in Spain. They've turned it around.
They're tied with the Chiefs. So the Chiefs had won
nine straight AFC West Crowns. That's over. They now need
major help to get into the playoffs. The schedule is favorable,
not gonna lie, But how long have we been saying
that crap? They've lost four or five now listen to
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the losses, Bills, playoff team, Broncos, playoff team Cowboys that
was bad on Thanksgiving, and now the Texans they're in
the playoffs. But then now they face Chargers, Titans, Titans
did get the win today or Sunday, Broncos and then Raiders,
So for sure they're beating the Titans and Raiders. Can
they win against the Chargers and Broncos and both are
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at home? So I think the answer has to be yes.
You can call them dead at your own apparel, but
the offensive line Wolves are not going anywhere we know
the Broncos have a nasty defensive front. I mean, I'm
not gonna go over where. I do think that the
Titans can hang with them. The Titans could. I don't
know which Titans seed is gonna show up every week
like they show well against Seattle, get their ass kicked
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by Jacksonville beat the Browns, run all over the Browns
number one run defense. Like Titans are wacky, But I
think next season will Next week will be their official
season against the Chargers. They lose, that they're cooked, So Rob,
I know you can detect a lot of glee in
my voice. I'm enjoying this a postseason without Mahomes. I
cannot wait. What do you got?
Speaker 4 (20:55):
You know what's funny is I also picked them to
not win the division, and I thought that was me
going down in the limb. So I'm very excited that
the Chiefs look like that that streak is over. So
I'm already right on that one. The problem is that
you went out on such a limb back in April
saying they're gonna miss the put most season entirely that
I have nothing to do but to like golf clap
and bow to you because you called it like, this team,
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they're not good and at this point they're living off
a reputation and I fell sucker to myself earlier in
the season. I was one of those guys, and hey,
Xavier Worthy being back, whether he's good or not, it
just slots guys into better roles moving forward. And then
you saw there was like a four or five week
stretch where that offense was humming, that they were really
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cooking with gas and then teams just back the way
they should. They're like, hey, Rashie Rice, it's kind of
just running crossing routes and screens. Maybe let's just prevent
that from happening. Patrick Mahomes cannot throw a deep ball
to save his life, So maybe we don't need a shade.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Over the top for Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Brown and Xavier are Worthy and we're just gonna trust
that our defense can affect their offensive line. Number one
and number two, trust that Travis Kelsey is going to
continue to have balls bounce off his hands to the
hands of the defenders, which happened again on Sunday. And
even with all of that going on, Rashid Rice had
a bad drop. Kareem Hunt had a bad drop. You know,
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like the Kelsey one. Of course, I was getting very
frustrated watching that broadcast and hearing Chris Collinsworth go out
of his way to, as a kid, say, glaze Patrick Mahomes,
because Patrick Mahomes, Yes, there were some drops. There were
several drops, and a lot of them in key moments.
He has not looked like all caps Patrick Mahomes for
like three or four years now. So at this point,
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every time you watch him play, you're viewing it through
the lens up. Well, this is the guy that through
fifty touchdowns his first year's starter. This is a guy
who was, you know, breaking every single record known to
man through his verse four or five years as a starter,
and not the guy that we've seen in the last
two or three years who was a very good quarterback.
He's more mature as a quarterback. He's less of a
gun slinger, but he just has not been what I
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would call an elite quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
And you're seeing that play.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Out before our eyes last night against a very good
Texas defense. Mahomes first game of his NFL career, zero
passing touchdowns, multiple picks, less than fifty percent completions. Now
that happens to a lot of people. I mean, like
pick your favorite quarterback. They've had a game like that
once or twice, you know, probably a season. But when
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Patrick Mahomes has it, the talk is, well Kelsey dropped
the passage. It had been interset, like the offensive lines
banged up. But it's like, well, Patrick Mahomes also had
it what should have been a touchdown to Hollywood Brown
on a deep crossing route and he floats it in
the air so he has to come back and catch
it and then gets tacked down at the fifteen yard line.
He said a for a field goal, which they miss.
Like that's what's going on now with Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
And this team.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
In the second half, when you thought that the Chiefs
actually played better than they did in the first time,
you mentioned they were shut out two picks by Mahomes
twenty eight percent completion percentage and he was under pressure
about forty percent of the time because they were winning
at the bat.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Like, he hasn't been good. This team hasn't been good.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
And anybody who is surprised that they're in this position
that they're right now has not been paying attention and
they've just been hoping and wishing that we're gonna get
the old Chiefs and that's not happening.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
That's not happening. So I wonder if you know, obviously
there's plenty of time in the offseason, like does Andy
Reid go out like this? Does Kelsey Kelsey just go
get married and become a family guy transitioned to TV podcaster.
I don't know, Frankly, I don't give a shit at
this point, honestly. I mean, they had a great run.
They were in a bunch of Super Bowls. It's over.
I'm sure they'll get back there. I'll just say that
this for all this goadedness that we talk about with Mahomes,
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Rob g how many times Tom Brady missed the playoffs
when he was with the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
And that would be zero, Bob.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, Yeah, we'll leave it at that. You see what
I did there. Let me quickly touch on the shadure standards.
I gotta be honest, I watched it. I thought Shader
made three, three or four amazing throws. The touch pass
to Djoku in the end end zone was incredible. He
had a nice deep ball to Judy like Chador was dealing.
He had a really good game. They lost thirty one
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to twenty nine. She drew a three hundred and sixty
four yards passing three tuddies. He did take two sacks.
I thought he had the second longest time to throw
out any quarterback this season. Clean pocket was doing well.
Did throw a bad pick. But here's the weird part.
I believe that there is a segment of the football
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viewing audience that wants Kevin Stefanski fired over house. Shador
is being handled because yes, Stefanski called for a They
needed a two point conversion in the final minutes, down
by two, they pulled Shador off the field and went
for a gadget play. It was supposed to be a
Jutkins like direct snap and he would sweep and then
I forget who the run of the receiver was. He
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was supposed to pitch it to the receiver. It felt
like an I don't want to say, a bastardized version
of a Philly Special without the quarterback. But it felt
like there was some sort of Philly Special esque miss
to it, and Judkins, in his excitement forgets to pitch
the ball. Then after the guy runs it's kind of
a comedy verse. After the guy runs by him, he's like, oh, snap,
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and then he turns it and like throws it and
it was a disaster. But bottom line is like they
lost the game because they went for two and didn't
get it. But afterward everything is like, why did you
poll Shaduer off the field and try that nonsense? And
I was like, I mean, all right, I didn't love
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the play call, but it was just an aggressive tone.
And then I saw some medium members were like, listen,
this could be the last straw for Stefanski. I'm like,
what a two point conversion gone wrong? What are we
doing here? And I just wonder when you watch Stefanski
do these he's I feel like he's doing zooms. He's
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not meeting with the media. Can you tell Rob if
that's what's going on.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I think it's split. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
When you're watching him on the zoom, he looks so
exasperated by the Shaduur questions that he's almost like, this
is why I didn't want this guy. I didn't want
to have to deal with this. That's the read I
get from his look on his face, Like if Dylan
Gabriel got that last touchdown and you needed to when
you pull him off, nobody's saying, why would you pull
Dylan Gabriel off the field because nobody cares about him.
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And again, I think it would be asenhine for the
Browns to fire Kevin Stefanski. I think it would be
truly asinine. But I just I don't know what the
owners thinking. The ownership there is very wonky. Currently with
one game left, Chargers Eagles won't impact this. The current
draft order is Giants, Raiders, Titans, Browns. Mendoza. I think
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he looks like a first round pick. It was third
and ballgame against the Buckeyes, other worldly defense and he
makes a perfect gotta have it throw down the sideline
to some kid named and I was like, whoa and
Mendoza mobile in the pocket, live arm. I like him
a lot. I think there's no doubt he's gonna be
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the first quarterback off the board. And I'm looking at like, well, Giants,
you know Jackson Dart. I feel like they're going to
give that a go. Probably, we'll see what the new
coach says. Raiders badly need a quarterback. Titans got their
guy Browns three and ten. They need a quarterback. So
if they get the number one pick, are they taking Mendoza?
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And the real question is like, are people getting delusional
about Shdor? Have we seen improvement? Oh? Without a doubt,
he looked good today. Reality check, Rob, This was the Titans.
Everybody looks good against them. They are a terrible football team.
Their defense is rotten. Shador cooked nearly brought them all
the way back. I think people are losing the plot
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here with Kevin Stefanski and Cleveland. This idea that you're
gonna fire him get someone better? Is it because Savanski
you a two time coach of the Year rop He's
really good.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I could not disagree with you more.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
James, Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I'm not not quite Josina Anderson gonna defend Shador Sanders.
But the way that Kevin Stefanski has handled this kid
throughout the season has been coaching malpractice and nothing worse
than what we saw on Sunday. He closes the game
on the last two drives when they're down by two scores,
gotta have it eight for ten with a touchdown including
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a touchdown run. So the kid was starting to really
really find a groove against that. And now again it
is the Titans.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
You mentioned it. Titans are not.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Any good at all. This was described as the toilet Bowl,
if you will, between cam Ward and Shadoor Sanders, but
he was doing everything that you would ask of him
to do. Yesterday on Sunday, Shadoor Sanders became the first
Browns quarterback ever, not in the last five years, not
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the last ten or twenty or thirty, first Browns quarterback
ever to go for three p fifty plus three passing
touchdowns and a rushing touchdown in the same game. He
was as good as anybody could hope from a rookie
quarterback making what was that his third start of his
NFL career, and they did what they've done to him
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throughout this time, and honestly what they did to Dylan
Gabriel as well. Kevin Stefanski decides he is going to
put his own self interest ahead of the interest of
the franchise because them finishing up with a win or
getting a w and finishing the season at five and
twelve as opposed to four and thirteen is immaterial. It
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does nothing to them, does nothing to help them moving forward.
It is nothing to help them this season. Shador standers,
and we talked about this before. Not getting him reps
in practice is coaching out because you know that Kenny
Pickett and Joe.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Flack were not the answer long term. That's number one.
Number two.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
When he did get they practice, are he starting to
a player in the season. They take him out in
the preseason during the two minute drill like, no, we
need to get somebody else, and the guy who knows you,
it's like, well, why don't you want to see what
you have in this young quarterback? And last, but not least,
this is something that they've done throughout the season. It's
going for two in the wildcat situation with Jenigings. This
is not new. It's not something they just did on Sunday.
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Throughout the season, they get in close, they pull the quarterback.
They've run a wildcat and it's been reasonably success. Gonna
say it's one hundred percent or zero percent, but it's
been okay. The problem is you have a quarterback who's
playing with a lot of confidence. He's showing that the
team around him is galvanized. For whatever it's worth, they're
enjoying what they're seeing from him. If you win the game,
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if you lose the game, it doesn't matter. What you
want to do is put the ball in his hands.
Put him in these situations and see what he's got.
And if you continue to pull the rug out from
under him because you have this frustration with the media,
or you just don't like this kid, or you don't
like you know, whatever he's about. Whatever, the answer is,
it's not about you. It's about the Cleveland Browns. And
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right now we don't know whether or not Shador Sanders
can be good in a two point conversion. We don't
know up until yesterday how good he is in a
two minute drill because you kept taking those opportunities away
from him. And that's why I believe Kevin Stefanski is
gonna be on the hot seat. And that's why I
would not be surprised if this offseason, depending who's available,
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he could be looking for a new job.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
So one of the big things about firing coaches is
you've got to have like a game plan. I'm like, okay, listen,
I wouldn't fire. But if you articulate the game plan,
if you're the GM and you go to the owner
and say, hey, listen, I don't like what Sefanski's doing
with this kid, we gotta do something. Okay, well, what
do you think about doing? Well, I'm not firing him
unless you're gonna tell me your plan who you got,
Like Penn State that situation when James Frandsly the ran
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him off the middle of the season and they were like,
we're gonna get somebody were good, They got nobody. They
whiffed on Signetty and a bunch of people. Then they
fall asked backwards into Matt Campbell.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Higher I believe Matt Campbell was well regarded at Iowa State,
excellent coach, wanted by the pros, delivered players to the pros.
And it's like, wait, why didn't anybody think of Matt
Campbell before? Great get Now they fell backwards into him.
I don't know that the NFL is gonna work like that,
because I mean, rob this is kind of a barren market.
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Like I saw what's her name? She writes at the athletics.
She's an NFL Rusini. She's like, here are a list
of the coaches and it's like, okay, what agent gave
you that. It's like seven defensive coordinators and one of
them is like Matt Nagy and I'm like, what nobody's
bringing in? Nakey, Okay, it's not happening, Like a lot
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of I'm like, you can't fire in my opinion, Stefanski
and bringing a guy like Naggy, you can't. So if
you could say, hey, we're gonna steal you know, this
guy or this coordinator or this guy Marcus Freeman, We're
gonna get him, notre Dame, Like, come on, it's not happening.
So I don't know where the great candidates are. It's
just not a great year. I don't know if Dable qualifies.
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But this also dovetails into the New York Giants situation
because there's a lot of rumors that they want Mike
Tomlin or they want John Harbaugh, and I'm like, what
the Tomlin stuff I didn't get last week? Now it's
gonna be silenced because Aaron Rodgers had his best game
in years and the Steelers stunned the Ravens. One of
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the picks I was way, way wrong about Ravens, just
they are on the struggle bus Lamar Jackson's just not
the same guy. But the thing I noticed watching the
Ravens is I saw zero energy, zero juice. Like Aaron
Rodgers is immobile. He can't go anywhere. We watched him
get bodied by the Buffalo bills. Okay, the Ravens didn't
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sack him once or turn him over once this week,
like really could. There was like no pressure. They were
sitting back and the secondary is getting cooked. DK met
half at his best day by a mile. I mean,
the Steelers didn't have an air pass over twenty yards
completed in over a month. I think the exact date
was October twenty sixth. They had multiple on Sunday. It's like,
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what are the Ravens doing? And I just wonder are
the Ravens kind of quiet quitting on Harball? I don't
know what's happening. I mean, Lamar is not the same guy.
You almost wonder like Lamar's been back for a minute.
I don't know, Rob, have we seen the best Lamar
Jackson that we're gonna see. He's a two time MVP,
he's not even thirty, he's not even twenty nine. He
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just doesn't look like the same guy, doesn't look certain.
I don't want to see say teams have figured him out,
but I'm not seeing anything. So it's weird. If you
want to run off John Harbaugh and Ravens fans today
are pissed because that's the problem. When you can't when
you can't definitely blame, like you're not gonna run off Lamar. Okay,
he just not. You look to blame someone else, and
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Harball is getting to blame.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Now.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
It's weird because the blame was on Tomlin last week
and I'm like, uh, okay, what's your game plan? Who
are you bringing in? And I don't want to hear Oh,
we'll go get Brian Dabole because I will remind you
he did nothing new. Your did want a playoff game
with Daniel Jones. He did, and outside of that, he
did like nothing, and he couldn't control the locker room.
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And abdual Carter was just sleeping meetings and he wouldn't
do a damn thing. Okay, And he decided he wanted
to start Russell Wilson this season. Okay, so like I
Russell Wilson's not like the third quarterback. I think he
was announcing a game over the week. I don't know,
but like this whole fire Tomlin fire Harbor, I don't
know what's gonna happen, but Rob, it is interesting that
so many people are so angry. I just want to
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remind you, you run off a good coach. You don't
know when you're gonna find another good one. Okay, you
gotta cycle through him. Trust me, I know coaches a
quarterbacks because I know my Jets and it's been a
long thirty years.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Okay, guys, that is a very good point in case
in point.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Look at my Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
You know, we thought Carol's gonna be done right.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
We're gonna get a coach who's gonna stabilize the franchise.
He's gonna be a culture setter. And you know, we're
maybe not building for the long term, but in the
short term, we're gonna be respectable. We're gonna go from
five wins to eight to nine wins right off the bat. No,
we're going the exact oppice direction. So yes, I could
totally see that happening. And it's funny that you mentioned
these two guys in this Baltimore Pittsburgh game, because it
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looks like both of their fan bases are really fed
up with each guy. And I know that Mike Tomlin
Aaron Rodgers kind of quieted the Boo Birds at least
for one week. Let's see what happens next week, right,
Like this offense got right for one game. I don't
trust them to be right for the rest of the season.
And I picked Baltimore to win this game, full disclosure,
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and obviously I was wrong, but I didn't pick them
because I was like, hey, Baltimore is looking really good
right now, and you know, I think Baltimore is the
better No, it's just more about the Pittsburgh Steelers look
like a dumpster fire for the last six weeks and
nothing to do with how good. I think Baltimore has
been playing horribly and you touched on it. Lamar Jackson,
since he's come back from that damstring injury, is either
more hurt than he's willing to let on or it's
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in his head at this point because he's not really running.
I know he ran a little bit on Sunday, but
he's not running like he usually does. When he does run,
he's not running away from people like he normally does.
And when he throws the football, he's I want to say,
he's like floating it, like kind of Tua throwing these
balls a little bit where it's a lot of air,
and it like he's kind of tossing them as opposed
to stepping into it and firing the ways.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Look, yeah, the way he used to.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Like, if you look at the Lamar Jackson we saw
in the first month of the season when they were losing,
he looked light years better than what we've seen in
the last six weeks of the season. So it's interesting
that you mentioned these two guys again, because even with
the win, I could totally see Mike Tomlin getting bounced
out this end of the season. I could see a
team like I don't know, Cincinnati saying, hey, what we
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need is a stabilizing force. Let's bring Mike Tomlin and
we already have an offensive plays, let him work on
the defense, and we'll.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Just go that route.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
I could totally see a situation where the Baltimore Ravens say,
you know what, We've had a lot of success with Harball.
He's been really good for us, but maybe it's just
kind of run its course. We thought it ran its course,
you know, seven eight years ago, and then Lamar Jackson
came in and totally changed their fortunes.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
So maybe we'll be proactive here. We'll get rid of him.
We'll promote either the defense or aston accordion.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
I don't think they be the kinds he would bring
people from the outside, but just say, hey, we need
a new voice with this team, and that's kind of
run its course.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, the new voice angle is interesting, but I would
just hope that that voice has been a head coaching
voice before, like a Tom Coughlin or you know, I
don't know that that voice can be like a twenty
of twenty, like a thirty five forty forty five year
old guy like Sean McVeigh. Everybody's like, well, look at McVeigh.
He ends up with the with the rams. He came
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out of nowhere. Dude, mcvhay's won and a million. I mean,
that guy's really freaking good. You think mcvay's grow on trees,
go pluck from the McVeigh tree. Let's let me know
how that works out.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
All NFL tree If we're being honest, though, half the
NFL is the mcveag tree.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, there was.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Like a five year run with Oh you worked with
John McVeigh for six weeks. Yeah, you're a new offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
You had dinner with him last week?
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Oh? Done? Deal.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah it's interesting because I mean, again, if you're hiring,
you want someone coming from like a good culture. But like,
let's just look at the playoff teams like Vray Bowl
was a head coach, Slam Dunk, Sean Payton was a
head coach. That's easy. Now Liam Cohen is interesting. He's
with the Jags. They've caught some breaks. The Jags, by
the way, I don't know if we're going to talk
about them really here. They're nine and four. I think
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they've won five of six. They look like they're gonna
be the three seed and the host a playoff game.
I don't see them catching Denver in New England. I
don't see anyone from the Steelers Ravens catching Jacksonville. That's
kind of crazy. But yeah, again, Liam Cohen has been
amazing this year. Mike Tomlin's a longtime coach. Mcdermot's a
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long time coach, Jim Harbaugh and then Dimico Ryans has
has a really good quarterback in the NFC. Peyton Lafleur was.
Wasn't he the o C? I think he's in the
Shanahan McVeigh tree.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
I think he was from He was an o C
for McVeigh. Same thing with Zach Taylor. Yes, one of
them was a quarterback coach and one.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Of them was the OC. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Nick Sirianni I don't know. I don't know where he
came from.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
But he was OC for the Colts.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Who was the head coach? Was that?
Speaker 4 (41:37):
I'm not even remembering to the Colts Tampa Bay. No,
he was a side coach now, No, but I know
he came from. He came from the Colts, Okay, Seahawks,
from McDonald. I like what he's done.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
He's a harball guy. He was with HARBAUGHDT Michigan, Todd,
Todd Bowles and Tampa.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Where was he He was a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, he's been around for a little while, all of
us in Tampa. I'm just so pissed at them. I
kn't even talk about those bastards. All right, you know
we could wrap up with there was one other topic. Yeah,
let do Let's do Packers Bears real quick. So did
hit this game? Six and a half Packers, They get
the touchdown late cover. When that being said, I thought
it would be much easier than this. I gotta be real,
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guys keeping it one hundred. I was impressed with Kleb Williams.
I was impressed. They were down fourteen to three, they
came back. They were down twenty one eleven, they came
back and it wasn't lucky stuff. Was it turnovers? It
was Caleb Williams. The run game wasn't really working. They
end up with one hundred and thirty eight rushing yards
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but no carry longer than nine yards. So it wasn't
in a bunch of explosives. Third down the money down
in the NFL, Caleb Williams eight of sixteen conversions. Now
I'm sorry they were not that. He was eight of
sixteen passing, but the Bears were eight of sixteen on
third down. Your quarterback making plays on third down, he
was good and you know what he so. Sam Darnold
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doesn't like when you force him to his left. He
does not roll out to his left well at all.
The Vikings showed that anytime he rolled left, man it
was ugly. Falcons obviously didn't do that this week, as
they're idiots. Every time Caleb Williams rolled to the right,
I'm thinking, oh, he's gonna throw it away, always going
out of bounce, and he was dropping dimes. I was like, Holy,
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he's throwing lasers down the field on the run. That
impressed the hell out of me, even in defeat. I
thought that was one of his best games.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Of the season.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I was thoroughly impressed because they needed him. They were trailing,
and I was like, yeah, you wait to Caleb Williams's trailing.
Let's see what he's got. He looked pretty freaking good.
I was very impressed, borderline blown away by how good
he was. Red zone A bit of a buggaboo two
a four in the red zone. How about this stat,
rob Gie. The Packers got to the red zone once
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in the final five minutes.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
The other touchdowns were all splash plays, big plays. The Bears.
Bad decision, let's bloot Jordan Love, don't do that. They
left Christian Watson on an island twice and he just
absolutely roasted the defender. You can't guard him one on
one unless you've got any lead. He's too fast, too big,
his hands are great. I mean Watson, I started him
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in fantasy, so I'm excited. But the Bears just had
some defensive like breakdowns on the back end. But I'm
just telling you, I was stunned. Now it stinks for
the Bears. Everybody's kind of clowning them. You guys were first,
now you're seventh. I think they're gonna make the playoffs,
but I'm not certain they don't have the tie break
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as of now with the Niners. The Lions are coming
and already have a win over the Bears. The Bears
get him at home, though I don't know. Rob Bears
are a scary, interesting team because Ben Johnson is really
he's just good. I was impressed by the Bears. I
don't know how much of that you saw.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
I watched a lot of the Bears actually, because I
you know, I had two fulls culture. I did not
have the Raiders on any of my bigger TVs. I
had that on the smallest phone possible. I had the
two big TVs Shoeing Rams, which was a blowout, so
I kind of had that, just kind of in the periphery.
But I was locked in the Packers Bears. And it's
funny you say you can't wait impressed with Kayler Williams,
because it felt very JJ McCarthy ish to me on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
The first half was horrible.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
I think he finished the first half the numbers here
six of fourteen for thirty two yards. He was just bad,
just flat out bad. And then in the second half
something happened.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Then he goes.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Thirteen to twenty one two touchdowns one hundred and fifty
plus yards, and of course the game's only picked and
he made some throws where you're just like wow, like
there's three or four guys tops in the NFL who
gonna make that throw rolling, so you're right, you know,
dropping it in a bucket like that kind of stuff.
But he was incredible avoiding pressure all the way up
down the field. But at the same time, he'd have
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these layup passes that he would just miss by two feet.
And then in the game ceiling interception they bust coverage,
should have been a touchdown. He doesn't see him, he
throws it short, drifts it interception Like, that's not I'm
not gonna jump down his throat about that because it happens,
especially as a young guy, it's only his second season,
first season with a new system. But he does just
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enough of those kind of plays a game where he's
like really inconsistent. And the problem with that is, and again,
he's gonna get better as he keeps playing, and he's
gonna be better yet next year he be better. In
your four is that I believe that this Bears team,
with this coaching staff, is ready to win right now,
hence why they were nine to three coming into Sunday.
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The problem is, I don't think Caleb Williams is ready
to win right now. I don't think he's in his
stage into development where they can be expected to win
a playoff game or to advance deep in a postseason.
And so it sucks that this, to me, is gonna
be like a gap year for them, because I believe
that that running game is really good, the offensive line
is great, the defense is really good, and Ben Johnson
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is drawing up a lot of guys wide open that
Caleb will miss the first time flat out throwing in completion,
or he'll miss the first window, make something incredible happen
and make like a wild throw that should have been
done four seconds ago, you know. So it's it's a
lot of up and down roller coaster type stuff that
you're gonna have to just deal with it and hope
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that come this time next year that they're a better
team because of it.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, I mean, it's I think you're probably right there
a year away, But I I a lot of it's
gonna come down to Caleb because other than like some
help on the back end of the secondary in the
draft or free agency. There's not a lot of needs
on this team. They got the receivers. They were missing
their number one receiver, Roalmadenze. They got tight ends like
they're good.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
They got players, They got a lot of players.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, they got a good squad.
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Speaker 2 (48:18):
All right, So Monday Night football, Eagles, Chargers. I did
hit Eagles minus two and a half, mostly rob It's
because I don't know what we have from Justin Herbert,
and I do think the Eagles bounce back. You know,
they haven't looked great at home this season, but you
go on the road and they're like, oh, we'll go
to Kansas City beat the Chiefs. Although that doesn't look
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as good now. They went to Tampa beat the Bucks.
That's solid win. They let I think they let the
Cowboys twenty one nothing on the road like they away
from home. They had a nice win at Minnesota before
the Vikings fell off. Like you know, the pressure of
Philly maybe gets to them at home. I don't know
the noise, but I do think going on road so far,
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probably sixty five sixty eight percent Eagles fans, that's my guest.
I do think they're gonna be fine. And yeah, like
I said, I don't know what Herbert gives you. No
Jalen Carter for the Eagles, so that won't be great.
Omar on Hamptown is back for the Chargers. Chargers will
run the ball thirty or more times. I think the
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real question is what does Jesse Minter do? Does he
stay in his quarter zone because we know that you know,
Jalen Hurts has some issues against zone. He much prefers
man throwing his guys open like AJ Brown. This should
be a big DeVante Smith game, just going and sitting
in the pockets. Eagles offensive line hasn't been great. You know,
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a Saquan have a big one. I doubt it, so
I'll go, but you give me less than a field
goal for the Eagles, and I do think remember the
Chargers have their season next week against the Chiefs, and
I wonder if there's a little looking at no. Divisional
matchup doesn't mean as much in the division. Next week
is huge. You win that and you could just eliminate
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the Chiefs. You could, you could bury them. So, you know,
I don't know what kind of effor we get, especially
with the with the whole, Like if it's Trey Lance,
this is probably what seven and a half. So I'll
go Eagles Eagles twenty one, Charger seventeen. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
I could not agree with you more. And again, this
has less to do with the Eagles everything to do
with the Chargers. Until we see how Justin Herbert can
function with that hand injury, it's hard to bet on him.
And the other thing is you would say, okay, well,
if he's compromised, we're gonna lean on the running game.
Unte what we can do. I believe is it Jordan,
is it Carter or Davis? Who's out with the d
(50:43):
Jalen Carter is out right, So you're like, hey, we're
gonna try to run the ball down their throats. Well,
the problem is Marion haf is making his first return
from the IR We don't know what he's gonna look
like after missing the last what six weeks? Yeah, you
know that offensive line is not great, and that's an understatement.
So you know, you don't think that they can really
take the pressure off of Justin Herbert the way you
would like to. So with that in mind, even though
(51:03):
I don't think the Eagles are a great team, and
if all things a regal, I would probably pick the Chargers,
But in this specific situation, I think you gotta take Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Yeah, all right, a long Monday Pod. We are back tomorrow.
You see that Lakers win, rob g Hell, yeah, we back.
Nice to have King James back. They lost Friday to
the Celtics and they get the nice bounce back. I
still can't I mean, Thunder won't lose. Gonna make the
tough for the Lakers to catch him to Thunder, I mean,
(51:34):
and do you think at any point they people start
caring about them or no?
Speaker 4 (51:38):
When they get to sixty five wins are sixty five
and six, then.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I know you can see sixty one all right, nobody
cares about Yeah, sorry, guys, I had to get that.
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