June 9, 2025 • 26 mins
On today’s episode, Jason recaps the Oklahoma City Thunder's dominant performance in Game 2 to even the NBA Finals at 1-1, tell us why the Indiana Pacers' lack of a true superstar player could ultimately be their undoing in this series, discusses whether Shai Gilgeous-Alexander has really made the leap into the NBA's elite or is just having an elite season, and explains why he wishes the Thunder had a tougher path to the NBA championship.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is straight fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Straight fire?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Fam, it's me Jason McIntyre. Straight oh year for Monday,
June the ninth, Oh boy, oh my goodness, NBA Finals.
That's me snoring or pretending to snore. Just a terrible
game two, I mean seventeen to two were running the
second quarter and it was like, okay, I'm shutting it off.
(00:33):
There was no comeback from the Pacers in this one.
You knew okay, so he had it. So we'll spend
thirty seconds on that topic, I will say. And it's nonsports.
But obviously there was a lot of stuff going on
politically in Los Angeles this weekend, and I'm sure Rob
G's like me, where family members who don't live in
(00:56):
Los Angeles are close to it are texting, oh my gosh,
I saw Las headlining the d LA in flames riots.
Are you okay? Are they sending the National Guard? What's going?
You know? You get this when fires happen and we're like, no,
we can see the smoke. It's not you know, the
air qualities crap. But we're we're fine, We're you know,
ten miles away. And then the same thing with this,
(01:17):
like I start getting text is everything good? You good?
And I'm like, what do you mean? And then you
have to go online to see this stuff? But it
is this is so weird. And this one of the
funniest memes I saw was somebody put this online. Was
h hey, a global pandemic killed I don't know the
exact number, sorry, killed eight million people? How did you survive?
(01:41):
You know, similar to breadlines and the depression and stuff.
And then the meme cuts to people doing TikTok dances
to like randw Lamborghini gets a cup car with the
pistol and the guys are like dancing around and you
know that. I hate to say it, this sounds bad.
There was some stuff happening in La. I didn't see
any I didn't hear in it. I didn't feel it.
(02:02):
You know, my daughter played in her first beach volleyball tournament.
We went to the sushi pop up for dinner and
we listen, we're not even like rich. Trust me, guys,
I know jay ow TV, you're written, we're not. We
don't we rent a house. Just put that on the
let you guys know. But like, it's just such a
weird disconnect. Between the news and then the reality, and
then I had to I actually had to look as
(02:23):
to where this was happening, and it was only like
thirteen miles from me, I think, closer to me than Rob,
but like not a whiff. I don't think I heard
any sirens that this is oh gosh, this is bad.
This is about how sketchy it got Rob. So we sleep.
We don't have air conditioning, so we sleep at our
windows open second floor obviously now in the first floor,
(02:43):
and for whatever reason, crows seemed to come at like
five am, like right near us and are just yelling.
I don't know if there's a problem for you, Rob,
but it is really a thing annoying, and as luck
would have it, you know, because again we keep doors
and windows open when the weather's nice, we have flies
(03:05):
coming sometimes. So my wife got me one of these
pump action shotguns that fire salt. I don't know if
anybody's heard of this, and it can kill flies. Now,
I'm really good at fly spotting, so I don't really
need the pump action, but I thought, oh my gosh,
maybe i'll fire it at these crows get her near by.
So of course, almost like clockwork, Sunday morning, five am.
(03:26):
I just hear crows yelling like they're in my frickin' ear.
So I had the shotgun ready, and again it just
fires salt and I open the sliding glass door, open
the you know, the blind or whatever, and I pumped
the shotgun and the crows fly off and they did
not come back. But I was ready, Rob, I was
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going to fire Sault. Now if I doubt it would
have hit it. You know, shotgun, you need to be close,
but it probably would have scared the one. Just the
mere fact that I showed some presents kind of scared
them off. I don't know. Are you holding up? Okay? Rob?
I know LA's in flames and on fire in the
National Guards coming to save us, But how you holding up?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I am doing just fine. I actually know a handful
of people who went to some protests on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh, very casual.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Basically we see on the ground just people marching and walking,
people having out flyers. You know, it wasn't anywhere near
as bad as what social media or some of my
friends out of state, or or even what the news
would suggest. But you know, that is such as life.
That is the way the media works. We're in the media,
so you know, I fully expected, you know, to relate
it to sports. We might get to this later in
(04:33):
the podcast. Game one of the NBA Finals. The ratings
were terrible, and in one hand, you can say, hey,
it was the highest in the demographic for that night
on Game one, for the key demographic. But if we're
going to sensationalize, we're saying it was the worst ratings
of any Game one in NBA history outside of the
COVID years. So I know how this kind of thing works,
and you know, it's it's tough that any situation comes
(04:56):
to protest, whether it's peaceful or non peaceful, because it
tells you there's some kind of unrest going on. But
I'm safe, You're safe. Everyone I know is safe, and
you don't have to believe everything you see on Twitter. Folks.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, I mean unless some of this stuff about federal
agents rating a fourth grade graduation to get kids like
really dark and messed up. But we're not gonna go there.
We're not. Obviously, we're gonna talk about, like you said,
the Game one of the NBA Finals. So you know,
the news loves it when like the president and a
billionaire squabble up. They also love it when Lebron goes
(05:28):
at Curry in the finals, like that is as good
as it gets. Okay, And I know people don't want
to talk ratings because guess what the NBA got its
bag is like Robles to say they got their seventy
six billion, what do they care? That's fine. I'm of
the belief that it's less about that currently and it's
more about what do the people say? What do the
people care about? And I said this on the Herd
(05:50):
last week and it pissed people off, like I'm not
interested in the finals. Give me superstars or give me death. Well,
as Rob said, Game one of the finals, absolute thriller.
This was the most recent game winning shot for Halliburtons
with less than a second was Michael Jordan shot against
the Jazz. You gotta go back that far and it's like, really,
(06:11):
are you serious? So we and nobody cares, well, then
it must be about the stars. And again Rob, I'm
on a text Jane with a couple guys. You know
we're playing in this pro am league. Yes, I don't
know what I got myself into. I'm not gonna I'm
gonna get cooked if I when I get on the
court next week. I didn't get to play this week,
but you know, one of the guys sends me this SGA.
(06:31):
Oh my gosh, Jason, holy Katy, did you see the
SGA numbers from game two? I mean, are you paying attention?
He had thirty four eight and four I'm sorry, thirty
four eights, just five rebounds, four steals. He got a
great strip of Halliburton, who was going up. This is
historic stuff. What a run. And I responded with the
emoji or I'm sorry the meme from Hangover where you
(06:56):
know the oh gosh, this is bad. What's the ken
Ken Ken John? You know where he's in the desert
and he pretends to like make the jacking off and
then just raise it. You know, That's what I replied
on the SGA. I'm like, I don't care, bro Okay,
he cooked the Pacers whooped the damn do like Unfortunately,
you know I watched the first quarter it's competitive, pacers
lead for a little and the second quarter seventeen two run,
(07:18):
and you knew Oka See absolutely had to have this game.
They could not lose it under the circumstances, and they
played like they wanted it. They got more rebounds, they
got more to the foul line, they shot better from three,
they had oh no, not more assists actually, But bottom
line is they basically dominated the game, grabbed a hold
of it in the second quarter and never let Oh
(07:39):
it never got to single digits again. And you know,
I had to run a couple of errands. And I
do have an app on my phone where I can
watch the game, and every time I look at it,
it's like, oh, they cut it to fourteen. Now it's
back to twenty two. And rob it's tough for me
to find angles from this game that are remotely interesting,
And sadly, this is the one and it doesn't bode
(08:01):
well for Indiana. So this is two straight games that
the Pacers have not had a twenty point score. Yes,
having a bench matters, Yes, having depth matters, But what
happens if you don't have a star when you need it?
A bucket getter? And I just you know, I know
you'll say, well, Jason, come on, Haliburn's a star. You
(08:23):
crowned him after game one. Oh he's clutch. But a
lot of that was the thunder giving the game away.
They blew a huge lead the coach screwed up with
the lineups and the Pacers made it rain from three.
Do you think Obi Toppins is going to bang another
five threes? He was one for five in Game two,
Like you know, I don't know. Siakam, they bottled him up.
(08:44):
He was three for eleven. Probably you could argue it
was his worst game of the postseason. And it's like, Okay,
you know they're fine. Siakam is a is a one
B and Haliburn is a stud. But I don't can
he be the best player on a championship winny team
will the finals? So anything's possible, But he's not your
traditional star. I mean, go look at some of the
(09:05):
numbers KD and Lebron and these guys are putting up
in the finals, and it's like, yeah, the Pacers don't
have that. Now there's Thunder do with SGA, but he
needed help. Caruso had twenty. J Dubb didn't shoot it
great again but still got to the line all the time.
Chet had fifteen. Aaron Wiggins was your hero off the
bench with eighteen. It's kind of just like scoring by
(09:29):
committee on the bench for the Thunder you don't know
who's going to deliver. But SGA, Yeah, he's super hot
and riding a great streak. I don't know, Rob, do you?
What do you say about SGA? At this point?
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Speaker 3 (09:54):
SGA is in the midst of one of the single
greatest individual seasons that we've seen by a guard ever. Right, okay,
it do the first two games he scored seventy two
points in the NBA Finals. That's the most by any
player ever over their first two career finals games. The
previous high was seventy one by Alan Iverson. And if
you recall, Alan Iverson had to believe that forty eight
(10:15):
and one and twenty three in the other that's right,
So that's not exactly the same as what SGA is doing. SGA,
you know, efficiently, is getting you thirty plus points a
night every single game, right, I believe? Now he has
scored at least thirty points with five assists eleven times
already in these playoffs. That's tied with Lebron and MJ
(10:36):
for the most in any playoff run in NBA history,
he has vaulted himself. And I think I was really
late to the party, and I'll fully disclolier, I admit it.
I thought coming into the season, when what was it
November first rolled around, whenever the opening night was that
there were three legitimate no questions about his superstar because
(10:57):
my definition superstar is much more stringin than what most
people would say. I thought it was Nikola Jokic, Jannis
Luca and that was it. Everybody else with some four
through ten, however you want to rank it.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Hold on, Rob, would you say it's similar to NFL
quarterbacks who everybody has a top four? Yes, Lamar Burrow.
So exactly what you're at, exactly exactly had those three
are cut above at the beginning of the season. And
now what you're saying is.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I think SGA has bulldoaed his way into that conversation.
I think there are four superstars in the NBA right now.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So Jalen Hurts had a really really good season and
a really really good playoffs and an nexcellent super Bowl,
and I've been saying he's gotta be without question number five.
I do wonder is this similar to Jalen Hurts. Is
SGA just having such a good season you've got to
put him in and they're gonna win the championship or
(11:54):
is he legitimately on the level with those guys.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I would say that he is, But it really depends
on how you view him, right because if you want
to take the what is it the glass is half
empty approach, like your stay with Jayla Hurs, Jalleen Hurs
had a fantastic season, and you know some people, I'm
one of them who would say he's very, very good,
but I would not quite put him in that you
know tier with the other four guys. So SGA, if
(12:21):
you just say, hey, this season outliar, he's having a
charm season. You know, don't get ahead of yourself. For
the last three years, he's averaged thirty five and five.
So this is not Jalen Hurts who's getting to the
playoffs or getting into the super Bowl. Despite having you know,
pedestrian relative numbers compared to the other guys. SGA has
finished in the top five of the MVP three straight years.
(12:44):
Last year he was second, this year he's first. Of course,
he's been an All NBA First Teamer three straight years.
So this is not just hey, he had one great season,
is on his way to a championship and that's the
end of the story. He has been on this steady
trajectory for a while now and he's finally reached the
pinnacle and it looks like he's gonna be there for
(13:05):
a while because the rest of the team is so
good around him. So I think that that SGA, you know,
was a week and a half from now, when okay
Se does win the champions I still believe they're gonna
win it relatively easily. You know, people are gonna again
have to take a step back and look and realize
that what he's done this season, whether you think it's
you know, a product of the era that he plays in,
(13:26):
and you know you've said that it's more you know,
a more parody, more water down, so to speak, or
the fact that there's so much spacing so everybody's numbers
are duced, whatever, however you want to quantify it, what
he's doing right now is great for this era. It's
great for previous eras, it's great all time. He's having
one of those years that people are gonna talk about
(13:47):
for years to come.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Where do you stand on the whole like, Okay, sure
he's great, he's gonna win the title. They're beating the
Indiana Pacers, man, like you can only beat us in
front of you, right, I know, I know, but if
you look at the path, he'd beat Jahn Morant. Right,
we got that in Memphis. They ruled them. They really
struggled against the O Kitchen and got the win. And
(14:10):
remember it was lou Dort who belled them out in
Game five in the fourth quarter, hitting three threes when
they were down nine, and then they smashed Anthony Edwards
didn't have to go through Boston, and Jason Tatum did
not have to go through Luca, did not have to
go through Lebron, did not have to go through Steph Currie,
didn't face the honest. It just it's one of those
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like I know people are gonna hate when I say it,
but it's like, I'm sorry, bro, I need to see.
Rick Flir said it best to be the best, you
got to beat the best, and in my eyes, like
the Indiana Pacers are not the best, or I mean
they were what were they minus five thousand before the
or I'm sorry, plus five thousand before the season to
win the championship. Yeah, like yeah, is that beating the best?
(14:55):
Like no, obviously circumstance matters. And I know I'm probably
digging okay see too much, but I I'm looking at Okay.
So Sga has is on a run. These are his
point totals in the last I don't know eight games,
thirty four, thirty eight, thirty four, forty fourteen when they
got destroyed, thirty eight, thirty one, thirty five, thirty two,
thirty one. Like he's just getting thirty every single night.
(15:16):
This goes back to similar to Michael Jordan. So the
first year they beat Magic and the Lakers and that
was crazy impressive, right. Then they beat ninety two, was
like Portland. I was like, all right, Portland, Jerome Cursey
to reporter, come on. Then they beat I think Charles
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Barkley and Phoenix Barkley was like thirty five or whatever.
Then Jordan Quits comes back and beats somebody in the
oh of Seattle Sonics and then Utah, Utah, and it's like,
I think part of me is thinking, like there was
no he didn't go through Larry Bird, you didn't go
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through Isaiah Thomas, except that one year he didn't go
through Magic except one year. And I know that's picking
knits because wait, Jay, Luca hasn't gone through anybody. He
doesn't have a championship. I'm like, that's fine, I get it.
Sga has a title. Luca doesn't. Maybe it's the lack
of swag or aura or three pointers or anything like.
(16:19):
What's distinctive about his game the mid range? I don't know.
I saw somebody and went viral.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Actually, they said that the way Sga plays is he
plays like the pink panther. And it's like, and if
you if you've ever seen the pink panther, I know
it doesn't make sense, but if you've seen the pink panther,
it makes a ton of sense because it's kind of herky, jerky.
It's it's I said that he looks like he's on balance,
even though his body is literally off balance when he's
playing like it's I will concede. I'm never gonna say
(16:48):
that he's better than Kobe. I just will never. I
don't think he's anything realism.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
He could do, but I will hold a hold on,
hold on are people saying.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
There are people saying that because you know the analytics
and all that kind of stuff, like, you know, today's
numbers are always so much better than they were in
the past where efficiency didn't matter as much in the.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
N zero chance he's better than Kobe, but right that
he'll ever be better than Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
But you see the influence of Kobe, you see the
influence of Dwayne Wade, and you know the way that
they live in the mid range when they get downhill
and they're not always trying to get to the rim.
Is sometimes sometimes he's just trying to get to a spot,
and his spot is the mid range's where it there's
a lot of damage. And the one thing that I
will say about him, and I think it's people should
(17:31):
appreciate it more when they watch him because the narrative
is the foul merchant thing. And that's true as well.
But in a world where in today's NBA everybody wants
to be James Harden or Steph Curry. The way they play,
everyone's either pounding the rock like James Harden, high, pick
and roll, spray the shooters and the numbers look great,
(17:54):
but it's just not to me. It's not great basketball, right.
Steph Curry is a phenomenon on and you can shoot
as many times as you want, You're never gonna shoot
her like Steph. So I've always thought that in a
world where everybody's playing like these two guys or trying
to be like these two guys, to see a guy
like Sga zig when everybody's egging, he's like, I'm not
gonna try to shoot a bunch of threees. I'm not
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gonna pound the rock into oblivion like Jalen Brunson does,
or or like you know, uh, I brought up James Harden, right,
SGA plays like a throwback two thousands player.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So did you like the SGA comp to Harden? And again,
I know Sga is slightly better defender and he is
showing up in the big games, but he's got a
way better team. Okay, of course he's not playing the
twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen Mornings. I know Harden had
some other meltdowns, but like I'm gonna be honest, man,
(18:48):
I still don't know if he's better than prime James
Harden SGA. I mean, they literally had to change rules
because James Harden was so unstoppable with that full through
move or they through whatever you call it. He was unguardable.
I don't see Shay as unguardable, as he's really really
effective and obviously he's getting buckets, but do you think
(19:10):
he's that much better as an offensive player than James Harden.
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Speaker 3 (19:26):
It's hard to make any kind of argument against James
Harden because just statistically, you know, I brought up as
she is having a great season. Statistically, James Harden is
like the greatest scoring guard ever outside of Michael Jordan, basically,
like in terms of efficiency and all that stuff, right,
But he also played a brand of basketball that lent
itself to big numbers. Like people forget I don't want
(19:47):
to I'm not trying to diss James Harden, but people
who played in the SGA are in the Mike d'An
toni system. You know, Jeremy Lynn put up big numbers
in that system. Of course, James Harden put a big
numbers in that system. Like there's a list of guys
who when they run high pick and roll, can get
you twenty and ten on a night tonight basis Now
James was doing thirty five and twelve. That's like a
(20:09):
wholly different conversation. But when you have a usage rate
like that, like Luca does, it's hard not to get
thirty less points a game when you're when you're pounding
the ball like that and when everything is running through you,
and SGA doesn't play like that, I don't feel like.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
What if I told you this? And I did not
want to lead with this because people will come after me.
So Rob, this is not about SGA. He had thirty
eight in game one and they lost. This is about
role players hitting threes. Obi top and hits five, you
gonna probably win that game. Game two, Alex Caruso and
Aaron Wiggins were nine of sixteen on threes. If that
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happens in any game, the thunder of winning. And I'm sorry,
it's I just SGA really really good. But when you
get role players doing that, I mean again, pacers role
players in game one were huge. Toppen was massive hitting
those threes. And now if SGA's going to kick it
out and Aaron frickin' Wiggins, let me just cheat. He
had eighteen. I'm guessing that this was more points than
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he scored in the entire Minnesota series. Oh, would you
look at that? He had seven points in the Minnesota series.
He had well, Denver, he played more, but he had
the Oh he scored twenty one points in Game one
against Memphis when they won by fifty one. So the
kid he could shoot is he from Maryland. That's right, yeah, Maryland,
nice little player. But like, if that happens, they're not losing.
(21:33):
You're just not gonna lose games when guys off your
bench or banging threes. So I could see SGA losing
the series if Indiana goes home and gets hot like
Nie Smith started to get hot there at the end
of the game. I don't know. Maybe in my head
I'm starting to sound like jay'sj You just don't like SGA, I.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Mean a little bit. But what I think is I
think both of your statements can be true. What you
said right now is, of course, anytime you get the
role players to contribute like that, it's hard to beat anybody,
much less a good team.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
But you open it up on this podcast on this
episode talking about maybe the problem with Indiana is they don't.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Have a superstar.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Like I said, as much as we like Tyre's Haliburn,
and we love Tyre's Haliburn, but he's not what we
were considered to be your superstar. If you go back
just in the last fifteen years, as much as you
know the current trend nowadays, that's say, well, OKC is
the blueprint because the depth Indiana is the blueprint right
because of the depth, like they go seven, eight, nine
guys who were all really good. Just look back at
(22:33):
the recent champions all right, Boston had Tatum, Denver had
the Joker Warriors had Steph Bucks had Giannis, Lakers had
Lebron Raptors had Kawhi Warriors had Steph and KD Calves
had Lebron Warriors have Steph? The Spurs in uh, was
it twenty thirteen? It's probably twenty fourth, probably the outlier
because they was at the Kawi was the Kawhi MVP year.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
But then before that.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's Lebron, Lebron, Dirk Kobe, Kobe.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
The best person.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
The best players usually win, right, So are you have
a guard superstar? So of course you would love to
have your your role players chip in and play big
roles like worcused on game two from okay, see game
one in Indiana. But what you need on the night
tonight consistent because you can't count those guys to be
that good every night. If SGA or whoever your superstar
(23:24):
is is a consistent leading the pack in somewhere in
some way or fashion, and in this case, that she
is getting you thirty every night, you know, getting out
of bed. That's a great baseline for the rest of
your team.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, Game three is on what day is the love?
Oh my god, wait till freaking Wednesday. She's down. Do
you want to guess the lion or if you saw
it for game three in Indiana?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Okay, So game two was eleven and a half or
open up at eleven and a half, I'm I think okay,
she's gonna be favored by three and a half.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Open four and a half up to five and a half.
I'm sorry, sorry it opened at five and a half. Okay,
see favored down to four and a half. So early
money on the Pacers. I think the Pacers absolutely need
to get this game where the series is over. I
think that's a safe statement, right, because then you're putting
pressure on yourself to win Game four and now I
don't like all this extra time. My gosh, Wednesday, So
(24:26):
when would Game four be? Don't tell me they're doing.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Oh it's Friday, my day. I think it's Friday Sunday,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah? Oh boy, well, I guess the Pacers get to
lick their wounds for a few days, go home. The
Bainbridge Field Outs or whatever it's called, gonna be juiced up.
By the way, Hey Indiana, if you could we get
Caitlin Clark back out there. God, I mean, I look
at the box score. I'm like, she's not back yet.
The hell? Now they did smoke. Angel Rees's team. Angel
Reesis team is terrible Chicago. But like we got Aaron
(24:58):
Rodgers settled, we're getting that. Summer's barely Here are your
kids out of school?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Rob Yeah, and actually later on this morning whatever, on Monday,
my daughter starts gymnastics camp for the first time. Wow. No,
thank gosh. It's just there's like a day camp that
you can go to every day.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah. Yeah, my kid's still in school for a few
more days. And then wow, and then it's oh, my gosh, anyways,
Father's Day weekend is ahead, Robinson, what kind of stuff you.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Want she did, But the problem is that our tenure
wedding anniversary is like the same weekend.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Oh and that's not fair. Yeah, so so now you
have to do something on Father's Day.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
No, but I mean I I'm thinking of ways to
pay off debt as we speak right now. That's the
kind of of because you know, ten years is a
big deal. So she's getting a nice fat dime.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You got past the seven year itch. You know. That's
where a lot of guys are like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
So we're both getting jewelry we cant afford. So we're
pretty excited about it.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well, congrats, premature congrats, an early congrats to you. Rob
All Right back tomorrow. We've got a good guest lined
up tomorrow and then another guest lined up the day
after that. Look gambling. She is a big deal on Instagram.
We'll get to that. Anyways, we're back tomorrows yet
This is straight fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Straight fire?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Fam, it's me Jason McIntyre. Straight oh year for Monday,
June the ninth, Oh boy, oh my goodness, NBA Finals.
That's me snoring or pretending to snore. Just a terrible
game two, I mean seventeen to two were running the
second quarter and it was like, okay, I'm shutting it off.
(00:33):
There was no comeback from the Pacers in this one.
You knew okay, so he had it. So we'll spend
thirty seconds on that topic, I will say. And it's nonsports.
But obviously there was a lot of stuff going on
politically in Los Angeles this weekend, and I'm sure Rob
G's like me, where family members who don't live in
(00:56):
Los Angeles are close to it are texting, oh my gosh,
I saw Las headlining the d LA in flames riots.
Are you okay? Are they sending the National Guard? What's going?
You know? You get this when fires happen and we're like, no,
we can see the smoke. It's not you know, the
air qualities crap. But we're we're fine, We're you know,
ten miles away. And then the same thing with this,
(01:17):
like I start getting text is everything good? You good?
And I'm like, what do you mean? And then you
have to go online to see this stuff? But it
is this is so weird. And this one of the
funniest memes I saw was somebody put this online. Was
h hey, a global pandemic killed I don't know the
exact number, sorry, killed eight million people? How did you survive?
(01:41):
You know, similar to breadlines and the depression and stuff.
And then the meme cuts to people doing TikTok dances
to like randw Lamborghini gets a cup car with the
pistol and the guys are like dancing around and you
know that. I hate to say it, this sounds bad.
There was some stuff happening in La. I didn't see
any I didn't hear in it. I didn't feel it.
(02:02):
You know, my daughter played in her first beach volleyball tournament.
We went to the sushi pop up for dinner and
we listen, we're not even like rich. Trust me, guys,
I know jay ow TV, you're written, we're not. We
don't we rent a house. Just put that on the
let you guys know. But like, it's just such a
weird disconnect. Between the news and then the reality, and
then I had to I actually had to look as
(02:23):
to where this was happening, and it was only like
thirteen miles from me, I think, closer to me than Rob,
but like not a whiff. I don't think I heard
any sirens that this is oh gosh, this is bad.
This is about how sketchy it got Rob. So we sleep.
We don't have air conditioning, so we sleep at our
windows open second floor obviously now in the first floor,
(02:43):
and for whatever reason, crows seemed to come at like
five am, like right near us and are just yelling.
I don't know if there's a problem for you, Rob,
but it is really a thing annoying, and as luck
would have it, you know, because again we keep doors
and windows open when the weather's nice, we have flies
(03:05):
coming sometimes. So my wife got me one of these
pump action shotguns that fire salt. I don't know if
anybody's heard of this, and it can kill flies. Now,
I'm really good at fly spotting, so I don't really
need the pump action, but I thought, oh my gosh,
maybe i'll fire it at these crows get her near by.
So of course, almost like clockwork, Sunday morning, five am.
(03:26):
I just hear crows yelling like they're in my frickin' ear.
So I had the shotgun ready, and again it just
fires salt and I open the sliding glass door, open
the you know, the blind or whatever, and I pumped
the shotgun and the crows fly off and they did
not come back. But I was ready, Rob, I was
(03:47):
going to fire Sault. Now if I doubt it would
have hit it. You know, shotgun, you need to be close,
but it probably would have scared the one. Just the
mere fact that I showed some presents kind of scared
them off. I don't know. Are you holding up? Okay? Rob?
I know LA's in flames and on fire in the
National Guards coming to save us, But how you holding up?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I am doing just fine. I actually know a handful
of people who went to some protests on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh, very casual.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Basically we see on the ground just people marching and walking,
people having out flyers. You know, it wasn't anywhere near
as bad as what social media or some of my
friends out of state, or or even what the news
would suggest. But you know, that is such as life.
That is the way the media works. We're in the media,
so you know, I fully expected, you know, to relate
it to sports. We might get to this later in
(04:33):
the podcast. Game one of the NBA Finals. The ratings
were terrible, and in one hand, you can say, hey,
it was the highest in the demographic for that night
on Game one, for the key demographic. But if we're
going to sensationalize, we're saying it was the worst ratings
of any Game one in NBA history outside of the
COVID years. So I know how this kind of thing works,
and you know, it's it's tough that any situation comes
(04:56):
to protest, whether it's peaceful or non peaceful, because it
tells you there's some kind of unrest going on. But
I'm safe, You're safe. Everyone I know is safe, and
you don't have to believe everything you see on Twitter. Folks.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, I mean unless some of this stuff about federal
agents rating a fourth grade graduation to get kids like
really dark and messed up. But we're not gonna go there.
We're not. Obviously, we're gonna talk about, like you said,
the Game one of the NBA Finals. So you know,
the news loves it when like the president and a
billionaire squabble up. They also love it when Lebron goes
(05:28):
at Curry in the finals, like that is as good
as it gets. Okay, And I know people don't want
to talk ratings because guess what the NBA got its
bag is like Robles to say they got their seventy
six billion, what do they care? That's fine. I'm of
the belief that it's less about that currently and it's
more about what do the people say? What do the
people care about? And I said this on the Herd
(05:50):
last week and it pissed people off, like I'm not
interested in the finals. Give me superstars or give me death. Well,
as Rob said, Game one of the finals, absolute thriller.
This was the most recent game winning shot for Halliburtons
with less than a second was Michael Jordan shot against
the Jazz. You gotta go back that far and it's like, really,
(06:11):
are you serious? So we and nobody cares, well, then
it must be about the stars. And again Rob, I'm
on a text Jane with a couple guys. You know
we're playing in this pro am league. Yes, I don't
know what I got myself into. I'm not gonna I'm
gonna get cooked if I when I get on the
court next week. I didn't get to play this week,
but you know, one of the guys sends me this SGA.
(06:31):
Oh my gosh, Jason, holy Katy, did you see the
SGA numbers from game two? I mean, are you paying attention?
He had thirty four eight and four I'm sorry, thirty
four eights, just five rebounds, four steals. He got a
great strip of Halliburton, who was going up. This is
historic stuff. What a run. And I responded with the
emoji or I'm sorry the meme from Hangover where you
(06:56):
know the oh gosh, this is bad. What's the ken
Ken Ken John? You know where he's in the desert
and he pretends to like make the jacking off and
then just raise it. You know, That's what I replied
on the SGA. I'm like, I don't care, bro Okay,
he cooked the Pacers whooped the damn do like Unfortunately,
you know I watched the first quarter it's competitive, pacers
lead for a little and the second quarter seventeen two run,
(07:18):
and you knew Oka See absolutely had to have this game.
They could not lose it under the circumstances, and they
played like they wanted it. They got more rebounds, they
got more to the foul line, they shot better from three,
they had oh no, not more assists actually, But bottom
line is they basically dominated the game, grabbed a hold
of it in the second quarter and never let Oh
(07:39):
it never got to single digits again. And you know,
I had to run a couple of errands. And I
do have an app on my phone where I can
watch the game, and every time I look at it,
it's like, oh, they cut it to fourteen. Now it's
back to twenty two. And rob it's tough for me
to find angles from this game that are remotely interesting,
And sadly, this is the one and it doesn't bode
(08:01):
well for Indiana. So this is two straight games that
the Pacers have not had a twenty point score. Yes,
having a bench matters, Yes, having depth matters, But what
happens if you don't have a star when you need it?
A bucket getter? And I just you know, I know
you'll say, well, Jason, come on, Haliburn's a star. You
(08:23):
crowned him after game one. Oh he's clutch. But a
lot of that was the thunder giving the game away.
They blew a huge lead the coach screwed up with
the lineups and the Pacers made it rain from three.
Do you think Obi Toppins is going to bang another
five threes? He was one for five in Game two,
Like you know, I don't know. Siakam, they bottled him up.
(08:44):
He was three for eleven. Probably you could argue it
was his worst game of the postseason. And it's like, Okay,
you know they're fine. Siakam is a is a one
B and Haliburn is a stud. But I don't can
he be the best player on a championship winny team
will the finals? So anything's possible, But he's not your
traditional star. I mean, go look at some of the
(09:05):
numbers KD and Lebron and these guys are putting up
in the finals, and it's like, yeah, the Pacers don't
have that. Now there's Thunder do with SGA, but he
needed help. Caruso had twenty. J Dubb didn't shoot it
great again but still got to the line all the time.
Chet had fifteen. Aaron Wiggins was your hero off the
bench with eighteen. It's kind of just like scoring by
(09:29):
committee on the bench for the Thunder you don't know
who's going to deliver. But SGA, Yeah, he's super hot
and riding a great streak. I don't know, Rob, do you?
What do you say about SGA? At this point?
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Speaker 3 (09:54):
SGA is in the midst of one of the single
greatest individual seasons that we've seen by a guard ever. Right, okay,
it do the first two games he scored seventy two
points in the NBA Finals. That's the most by any
player ever over their first two career finals games. The
previous high was seventy one by Alan Iverson. And if
you recall, Alan Iverson had to believe that forty eight
(10:15):
and one and twenty three in the other that's right,
So that's not exactly the same as what SGA is doing. SGA,
you know, efficiently, is getting you thirty plus points a
night every single game, right, I believe? Now he has
scored at least thirty points with five assists eleven times
already in these playoffs. That's tied with Lebron and MJ
(10:36):
for the most in any playoff run in NBA history,
he has vaulted himself. And I think I was really
late to the party, and I'll fully disclolier, I admit it.
I thought coming into the season, when what was it
November first rolled around, whenever the opening night was that
there were three legitimate no questions about his superstar because
(10:57):
my definition superstar is much more stringin than what most
people would say. I thought it was Nikola Jokic, Jannis
Luca and that was it. Everybody else with some four
through ten, however you want to rank it.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Hold on, Rob, would you say it's similar to NFL
quarterbacks who everybody has a top four? Yes, Lamar Burrow.
So exactly what you're at, exactly exactly had those three
are cut above at the beginning of the season. And
now what you're saying is.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I think SGA has bulldoaed his way into that conversation.
I think there are four superstars in the NBA right now.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
So Jalen Hurts had a really really good season and
a really really good playoffs and an nexcellent super Bowl,
and I've been saying he's gotta be without question number five.
I do wonder is this similar to Jalen Hurts. Is
SGA just having such a good season you've got to
put him in and they're gonna win the championship or
(11:54):
is he legitimately on the level with those guys.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I would say that he is, But it really depends
on how you view him, right because if you want
to take the what is it the glass is half
empty approach, like your stay with Jayla Hurs, Jalleen Hurs
had a fantastic season, and you know some people, I'm
one of them who would say he's very, very good,
but I would not quite put him in that you
know tier with the other four guys. So SGA, if
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you just say, hey, this season outliar, he's having a
charm season. You know, don't get ahead of yourself. For
the last three years, he's averaged thirty five and five.
So this is not Jalen Hurts who's getting to the
playoffs or getting into the super Bowl. Despite having you know,
pedestrian relative numbers compared to the other guys. SGA has
finished in the top five of the MVP three straight years.
(12:44):
Last year he was second, this year he's first. Of course,
he's been an All NBA First Teamer three straight years.
So this is not just hey, he had one great season,
is on his way to a championship and that's the
end of the story. He has been on this steady
trajectory for a while now and he's finally reached the
pinnacle and it looks like he's gonna be there for
(13:05):
a while because the rest of the team is so
good around him. So I think that that SGA, you know,
was a week and a half from now, when okay
Se does win the champions I still believe they're gonna
win it relatively easily. You know, people are gonna again
have to take a step back and look and realize
that what he's done this season, whether you think it's
you know, a product of the era that he plays in,
(13:26):
and you know you've said that it's more you know,
a more parody, more water down, so to speak, or
the fact that there's so much spacing so everybody's numbers
are duced, whatever, however you want to quantify it, what
he's doing right now is great for this era. It's
great for previous eras, it's great all time. He's having
one of those years that people are gonna talk about
(13:47):
for years to come.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Where do you stand on the whole like, Okay, sure
he's great, he's gonna win the title. They're beating the
Indiana Pacers, man, like you can only beat us in
front of you, right, I know, I know, but if
you look at the path, he'd beat Jahn Morant. Right,
we got that in Memphis. They ruled them. They really
struggled against the O Kitchen and got the win. And
(14:10):
remember it was lou Dort who belled them out in
Game five in the fourth quarter, hitting three threes when
they were down nine, and then they smashed Anthony Edwards
didn't have to go through Boston, and Jason Tatum did
not have to go through Luca, did not have to
go through Lebron, did not have to go through Steph Currie,
didn't face the honest. It just it's one of those
(14:32):
like I know people are gonna hate when I say it,
but it's like, I'm sorry, bro, I need to see.
Rick Flir said it best to be the best, you
got to beat the best, and in my eyes, like
the Indiana Pacers are not the best, or I mean
they were what were they minus five thousand before the
or I'm sorry, plus five thousand before the season to
win the championship. Yeah, like yeah, is that beating the best?
(14:55):
Like no, obviously circumstance matters. And I know I'm probably
digging okay see too much, but I I'm looking at Okay.
So Sga has is on a run. These are his
point totals in the last I don't know eight games,
thirty four, thirty eight, thirty four, forty fourteen when they
got destroyed, thirty eight, thirty one, thirty five, thirty two,
thirty one. Like he's just getting thirty every single night.
(15:16):
This goes back to similar to Michael Jordan. So the
first year they beat Magic and the Lakers and that
was crazy impressive, right. Then they beat ninety two, was
like Portland. I was like, all right, Portland, Jerome Cursey
to reporter, come on. Then they beat I think Charles
(15:36):
Barkley and Phoenix Barkley was like thirty five or whatever.
Then Jordan Quits comes back and beats somebody in the
oh of Seattle Sonics and then Utah, Utah, and it's like,
I think part of me is thinking, like there was
no he didn't go through Larry Bird, you didn't go
(15:57):
through Isaiah Thomas, except that one year he didn't go
through Magic except one year. And I know that's picking
knits because wait, Jay, Luca hasn't gone through anybody. He
doesn't have a championship. I'm like, that's fine, I get it.
Sga has a title. Luca doesn't. Maybe it's the lack
of swag or aura or three pointers or anything like.
(16:19):
What's distinctive about his game the mid range? I don't know.
I saw somebody and went viral.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Actually, they said that the way Sga plays is he
plays like the pink panther. And it's like, and if
you if you've ever seen the pink panther, I know
it doesn't make sense, but if you've seen the pink panther,
it makes a ton of sense because it's kind of herky, jerky.
It's it's I said that he looks like he's on balance,
even though his body is literally off balance when he's
playing like it's I will concede. I'm never gonna say
(16:48):
that he's better than Kobe. I just will never. I
don't think he's anything realism.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
He could do, but I will hold a hold on,
hold on are people saying.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
There are people saying that because you know the analytics
and all that kind of stuff, like, you know, today's
numbers are always so much better than they were in
the past where efficiency didn't matter as much in the.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
N zero chance he's better than Kobe, but right that
he'll ever be better than Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
But you see the influence of Kobe, you see the
influence of Dwayne Wade, and you know the way that
they live in the mid range when they get downhill
and they're not always trying to get to the rim.
Is sometimes sometimes he's just trying to get to a spot,
and his spot is the mid range's where it there's
a lot of damage. And the one thing that I
will say about him, and I think it's people should
(17:31):
appreciate it more when they watch him because the narrative
is the foul merchant thing. And that's true as well.
But in a world where in today's NBA everybody wants
to be James Harden or Steph Curry. The way they play,
everyone's either pounding the rock like James Harden, high, pick
and roll, spray the shooters and the numbers look great,
(17:54):
but it's just not to me. It's not great basketball, right.
Steph Curry is a phenomenon on and you can shoot
as many times as you want, You're never gonna shoot
her like Steph. So I've always thought that in a
world where everybody's playing like these two guys or trying
to be like these two guys, to see a guy
like Sga zig when everybody's egging, he's like, I'm not
gonna try to shoot a bunch of threees. I'm not
(18:14):
gonna pound the rock into oblivion like Jalen Brunson does,
or or like you know, uh, I brought up James Harden, right,
SGA plays like a throwback two thousands player.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
So did you like the SGA comp to Harden? And again,
I know Sga is slightly better defender and he is
showing up in the big games, but he's got a
way better team. Okay, of course he's not playing the
twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen Mornings. I know Harden had
some other meltdowns, but like I'm gonna be honest, man,
(18:48):
I still don't know if he's better than prime James
Harden SGA. I mean, they literally had to change rules
because James Harden was so unstoppable with that full through
move or they through whatever you call it. He was unguardable.
I don't see Shay as unguardable, as he's really really
effective and obviously he's getting buckets, but do you think
(19:10):
he's that much better as an offensive player than James Harden.
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Speaker 3 (19:26):
It's hard to make any kind of argument against James
Harden because just statistically, you know, I brought up as
she is having a great season. Statistically, James Harden is
like the greatest scoring guard ever outside of Michael Jordan, basically,
like in terms of efficiency and all that stuff, right,
But he also played a brand of basketball that lent
itself to big numbers. Like people forget I don't want
(19:47):
to I'm not trying to diss James Harden, but people
who played in the SGA are in the Mike d'An
toni system. You know, Jeremy Lynn put up big numbers
in that system. Of course, James Harden put a big
numbers in that system. Like there's a list of guys
who when they run high pick and roll, can get
you twenty and ten on a night tonight basis Now
James was doing thirty five and twelve. That's like a
(20:09):
wholly different conversation. But when you have a usage rate
like that, like Luca does, it's hard not to get
thirty less points a game when you're when you're pounding
the ball like that and when everything is running through you,
and SGA doesn't play like that, I don't feel like.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
What if I told you this? And I did not
want to lead with this because people will come after me.
So Rob, this is not about SGA. He had thirty
eight in game one and they lost. This is about
role players hitting threes. Obi top and hits five, you
gonna probably win that game. Game two, Alex Caruso and
Aaron Wiggins were nine of sixteen on threes. If that
(20:47):
happens in any game, the thunder of winning. And I'm sorry,
it's I just SGA really really good. But when you
get role players doing that, I mean again, pacers role
players in game one were huge. Toppen was massive hitting
those threes. And now if SGA's going to kick it
out and Aaron frickin' Wiggins, let me just cheat. He
had eighteen. I'm guessing that this was more points than
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he scored in the entire Minnesota series. Oh, would you
look at that? He had seven points in the Minnesota series.
He had well, Denver, he played more, but he had
the Oh he scored twenty one points in Game one
against Memphis when they won by fifty one. So the
kid he could shoot is he from Maryland. That's right, yeah, Maryland,
nice little player. But like, if that happens, they're not losing.
(21:33):
You're just not gonna lose games when guys off your
bench or banging threes. So I could see SGA losing
the series if Indiana goes home and gets hot like
Nie Smith started to get hot there at the end
of the game. I don't know. Maybe in my head
I'm starting to sound like jay'sj You just don't like SGA, I.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Mean a little bit. But what I think is I
think both of your statements can be true. What you
said right now is, of course, anytime you get the
role players to contribute like that, it's hard to beat anybody,
much less a good team.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
But you open it up on this podcast on this
episode talking about maybe the problem with Indiana is they don't.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Have a superstar.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Like I said, as much as we like Tyre's Haliburn,
and we love Tyre's Haliburn, but he's not what we
were considered to be your superstar. If you go back
just in the last fifteen years, as much as you
know the current trend nowadays, that's say, well, OKC is
the blueprint because the depth Indiana is the blueprint right
because of the depth, like they go seven, eight, nine
guys who were all really good. Just look back at
(22:33):
the recent champions all right, Boston had Tatum, Denver had
the Joker Warriors had Steph Bucks had Giannis, Lakers had
Lebron Raptors had Kawhi Warriors had Steph and KD Calves
had Lebron Warriors have Steph? The Spurs in uh, was
it twenty thirteen? It's probably twenty fourth, probably the outlier
because they was at the Kawi was the Kawhi MVP year.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
But then before that.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
It's Lebron, Lebron, Dirk Kobe, Kobe.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
The best person.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
The best players usually win, right, So are you have
a guard superstar? So of course you would love to
have your your role players chip in and play big
roles like worcused on game two from okay, see game
one in Indiana. But what you need on the night
tonight consistent because you can't count those guys to be
that good every night. If SGA or whoever your superstar
(23:24):
is is a consistent leading the pack in somewhere in
some way or fashion, and in this case, that she
is getting you thirty every night, you know, getting out
of bed. That's a great baseline for the rest of
your team.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, Game three is on what day is the love?
Oh my god, wait till freaking Wednesday. She's down. Do
you want to guess the lion or if you saw
it for game three in Indiana?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Okay, So game two was eleven and a half or
open up at eleven and a half, I'm I think okay,
she's gonna be favored by three and a half.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Open four and a half up to five and a half.
I'm sorry, sorry it opened at five and a half. Okay,
see favored down to four and a half. So early
money on the Pacers. I think the Pacers absolutely need
to get this game where the series is over. I
think that's a safe statement, right, because then you're putting
pressure on yourself to win Game four and now I
don't like all this extra time. My gosh, Wednesday, So
(24:26):
when would Game four be? Don't tell me they're doing.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Oh it's Friday, my day. I think it's Friday Sunday,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah? Oh boy, well, I guess the Pacers get to
lick their wounds for a few days, go home. The
Bainbridge Field Outs or whatever it's called, gonna be juiced up.
By the way, Hey Indiana, if you could we get
Caitlin Clark back out there. God, I mean, I look
at the box score. I'm like, she's not back yet.
The hell? Now they did smoke. Angel Rees's team. Angel
Reesis team is terrible Chicago. But like we got Aaron
(24:58):
Rodgers settled, we're getting that. Summer's barely Here are your
kids out of school?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Rob Yeah, and actually later on this morning whatever, on Monday,
my daughter starts gymnastics camp for the first time. Wow. No,
thank gosh. It's just there's like a day camp that
you can go to every day.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah. Yeah, my kid's still in school for a few
more days. And then wow, and then it's oh, my gosh, anyways,
Father's Day weekend is ahead, Robinson, what kind of stuff you.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Want she did, But the problem is that our tenure
wedding anniversary is like the same weekend.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Oh and that's not fair. Yeah, so so now you
have to do something on Father's Day.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
No, but I mean I I'm thinking of ways to
pay off debt as we speak right now. That's the
kind of of because you know, ten years is a
big deal. So she's getting a nice fat dime.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
You got past the seven year itch. You know. That's
where a lot of guys are like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
So we're both getting jewelry we cant afford. So we're
pretty excited about it.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well, congrats, premature congrats, an early congrats to you. Rob
All Right back tomorrow. We've got a good guest lined
up tomorrow and then another guest lined up the day
after that. Look gambling. She is a big deal on Instagram.
We'll get to that. Anyways, we're back tomorrows yet
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