December 30, 2023 • 40 mins
Rob Parker, Alan Lee, and Kerry Rhodes talk shop on the Dallas Cowboys sliding off as they get to playoffs. Plus, the guys also talk Antonio Pierce as the new Raiders Head Coach and much more!!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yes, and I enjoy it too, My goodness, gracious, Merry
Christmas and happy Holidays to everybody, to my family, to
the Parker family in New York, Merry Christmas to everybody.
I don't get to see the youngins anymore. They're all
doing their own thing, you know what I mean. I
got three nieces and a nephew there look up to
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the big alp No. So they were very You know
what I loved is in Christmas and you know this
with your family who I know, But just to respond,
aren't you get out of I got a video from
my nephew. Albany has a son. Tristan has two sons,
and Tristan is you know, old enough to enjoy the
whole Christmas experience. He's like four years old, and they
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sent me a video of him opening the present.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I said, just the joy in his face. Oh man,
it's awesome. It's awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
But you know, for anybody who has kids and you
and you just went through that whole experience, there is
no greater joy, right than being you know, the kids
storming in your room, like at six am, waking you
up after the night before. You know, you've been helping
Sanna exactly. Santa's cookies are all right, and the milk
and everything.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
And then that's the other thing too, is like you know,
like some of the kids have come and my friends
have told you know, they tell me and and like
there is one of my buddies told me son came
into the room, you know, tapped him and said, I
think Santa was here. You know what I mean, right,
you know, like get out of bed, Get out of bed,
let's go, I think Santa was here, right, Just go downstairs,
let's go, let's go, let's go. And they don't go
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down without asking, you know, don't not go downstairs, not
touch anything, you know exactly, and they got to come
in and then it's a Christmas morning.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
And they always check used to check to see this
made sure that Santa ate the cookie.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Cookie's right. Did he drink the milk? I'll drink the milk.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, all that?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, all that.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Man, You know, no wonder he's put on some pals
with all the cookies in the milk.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I mean, my goodness.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
All right, our number two of the odd couple on
this Magic City Christmas Monday night. You know we got
the magic, I mean, the heat and sixers are about
to tip off. We got another football game coming up.
The forty nine Ers are hosting the Ravens. Not in
San Francisco, in the place three hours from there, but
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close to it.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, if you were playing pro sports, would you want
to play on Christmas Day now?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
But you're working here? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I would that translate for you to have to play
a game I mean, I think I think it's oversaturated now.
At one point, it was really an honor because everybody
was home, because you know, us working in Detroit for
a long time, we did the Thanksgiving I worked every
Thanksgiving and then it was a part of the fabric
of the city.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
People go to a Thanksgiving Day game and then they
had dinner after. It's like just a part of the
thing that went on. But Christmas is tough and it's
good to be here, all right, So let's do this.
The Dallas Cowboys. So they lose to Miami on a
late field goal, right, I mean had a chance. They
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scored a late touchdown, but then couldn't the defense couldn't
hold it. Miami finally get to win against a team
over five hundred. It's huge for Miami. The game was there,
but the Cowboys lost.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Again.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
They did be one team over five hundred, right, the Eagles,
I believe this year. So where are you on the
Cowboys as we go forward? Because they've won twelve games
over the years, like, like, this is not them winning twelve.
It looks like they're not gonna win a division now, right,
So they're not gonna gonna be like a fifth or
sixth seed, right, not a one seed like the Eagles.
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Of course, winning today that helps them in that situation.
But where are you on the Cowboys in another another
game where they couldn't beat like I.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Think a lot of teams.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I think a lot of teams are like in the
situation right now, just like the Eagles today where they
almost lost that game to the to the lowly Giants
almost lost that game. As this season has gone on,
the greatest thing I think you want to really do
is clinch early if you can't, because it looks like
a lot of teams are kind of tired. Looks like
a lot of teams are physically and possibly mentally worn
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out at this time. They're making mistakes, they're doing things,
players are doing some uncharacteristic things. And the Cowboys have
not looked like the same old Cowboys team where Dak
was just killing it earlier in the season. You know,
he was like in the MVP discussion, he was playing
so well.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You know, he was just like the boy that happened
the last two games after they lost that game in Buffalo,
and then they go to Miami with a chance to
get right right. Miami has had ten wins, hadn't beaten
a good team there was that would have been a
good win for Dallas coming off that lost.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
To the Bill, right.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I think you get to this point in the season
and there are teams that have so much not only
tape on you, but have analyzed you so much and
know what you do well and know what you do wrong.
Because I think today and they were talking about how
Miami was playing the Cowboys and how the defensively you
sort of like drop guys back now to sort of
take away things from Dak and make it a little
bit tougher for him and I All season long because
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he's on one of my fantasy teams, I kept questioning,
wait a minute, you got rid of Ezekiel Elliott because
Tony Poler was supposed to be the main Well.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
He didn't have the year that that people expected, but
he was rightfully Dak was. I mean, uh, Zeke was
at the end with Cowboy exactly right. But Pollard hasn't
lived up to it, I'll.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Give you, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And it's almost to the point now it seems like
in their offense they're like he is an afterthought. You know,
they don't go to him as much as you would
even think to try to get him going, which is
interesting to me. And I think that that that they
went away with Matt once Dak started to really play
out of his mind and throwing touchdowns all over the
FI for a while.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But that was the biggest issue, is that the Cowboys
win games. They bludge in bad teams bludge. You talked
about the month that Dak had and everybody you had
him in the MVP conversation and then he had a
stinker in.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
But can they where are they? I picked them originally
to play the Ravens in the Super Bowl. I picked
the Cowboys when I looked at the NFC and I
look at some of the stuff that they had. I
looked at their schedule, I looked at they got a quarterback.
I looked at, you know, some of the stuff. He
doesn't have to be spectacularly the spectacular quarterback to win
right limiture mistakes, get the ball to people, you need
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to on third down, and it's not rocket science. You
don't have to be like the all time greatest to
win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I think early in the season, I think the biggest
takeaway was in the NFC was you had basically two
teams that everybody thought was going to be there. Philadelphia
and the forty nine Ers forty Niners still looked like
the cream of the crop of the NFC. The question is, now, though,
you know who kind of is sneaking up on people
Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
And you know what we're gon, We're gonna give some
Baker Mayfield some credit. We have to.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
They've won four games in a row. He's played well,
played well, He's played well. I mean that went in
Green Bay, which I believing a perfect passer rate.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, they've got They've gotten the most out. It was
that Rashid White, the running back who for years has
just sort of been a so so player in that organization.
He is starting to just come on. So something is
going on down there where they have discovered a system
that works other for Mayfield, but for him.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
But what what where are you on the Cowboys as
far as if they don't wind up getting this done,
if they have another postseason blowout. You know when I
mean bout, I mean, is this is this on Mike McCarthy.
Is this a Dak statement because he was playing well?
He was in the m VP conversation like if this
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falls apart and they lose and their their playoff, they're
gonna be the fifth or exceed, right and they lose?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
What who do you put the blame on?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
There?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
They were rolling.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I have to put this blame on the head coach because,
as I said, teams are starting to Playdack a little
bit differently on the defensive backfield, especially in trying to
reduce what he had been doing throwing the ball CD
lamb and throwing the ball of cook all over the place.
But now so if teams are starting to take that
away from you, you have to adjust, You have to
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you have to sort of do things different.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Which is so much about adjustment we talk about all
the time, and not to get off off the course,
but Alie de la Cruz with the Reds. Remember he
came in Gangsters and I was on MLB Network and
I'm just bringing this up because I tried to tell
people he was killing it. Remember the Next Big Star
put him on the All Star team on you know,
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he finished with a two thirty five batting average and
struck out a ton you know what, because they adjusted
to him and he wasn't able to adjust.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
James outman of the Dodgers, Remember he started off and
he was just looking like wow. And then team's kind
of like.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Okay, okay, we know you can the fastball.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Now that hit this right and and and he made
some adjustments, but he went into that funk where like, Okay,
I look like a rookie.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And this is what I'm saying, like in sports, and
that's why you're saying, Mike McCarthy hasn't made the necessary
adjustments because the offense have been better without color.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Kellum Moore, would you say.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
That, yes, yes, And you know, and here's a guy
who came from Green Bay, so you know he's he's
he's coached great quarterbacks. But and you would think that
mccarvey has probably seen every kind of defense you can
imagine to try to stop your A list quarterback. So
I think that some of that situation where the adjustments
have to come from him, he has to, I think
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do a better look at the game film will get
they're taken this away from Dak now and we're not
as successful. We've We've got to figure out something else
in order to get us down the field.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's gonna be interesting because I think a lot of
people at some point don't you think how many years
can you keep going where you're not gonna make it
to the NFC Championship Game?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
And who would you?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I don't know right now. I think the Lions would
play who Right now they play the Rams, But what
if it was the Cowboys? Who would you pick in
that game? In Detroit?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Well, the interesting thing about Detroit, though, Detroit's defensive backfield
is suspect.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I agree with that. That's a scary part.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
You know, So Dak might be Dak again mid season,
Dak against against that Lion's secondary. That's what you would
have to really worry about him, his ability to throw
that ball all over the field against that secondary. You know,
Lions fans are chomping at the bid of the possibility
of having to see Matt Stafford again.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
How painful would that be if he were able to
come and then rain on their parade and still continue
them not having the playoff?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yeah, and you know, I'm telling you the Rams offensively now,
they're flawed.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
But and then I'm not They've won five out of
six or whatever it is all teams under five hundred,
but that's who's doing the schedule. I'm not knocking them
a chance to beat the raven And they didn't win
that game. That showed me something. Remember they lost an overtime.
They should have won that game, but they didn't win
that game. So I don't know where they are because
they're flawed and a better team could probably beat them.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
A better team, right.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
But now you think about those Rams wide receivers having
to play against the Lions though cup Pooka. That's a
tough that's a tough defensive assignment. And if you know
how tough Stafford is, and people I don't think sometimes
forget just how mentally and physically tough, especially physically Stafford
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takes a beating out there and just keeps going right.
You know, he's gonna be you know, at the end
of his playing career. I just hope they just give
him a sofa and let it lay around because he
takes a physical beating.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, no, he's been in there and remember that Detroit.
He got beat up a lot, I heard early on
in his career.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
But the question really for the Cowboys is do they
have enough to beat? Can they beat the Eagles? At
this point in time in the season, Eagles are starting
to regress a little bit as well.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, the Eagles are the same team. And I think
we talked to this Allen before the show. Everybody thinks
it's the same team that went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
They lost both coordinated, they lost a ton of players
on defense. It's not the same team. And they won
early when they were winning all those games, a lot
of close games against you know, and they were being
good teams and then they hit that patch and everybody's
like wow. I mean they went through like a Gauntlett
of team four games in a row and they beat
them all.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Like like, now, if you went ahead to head, do
I think the Cowboys could be the forty nine ers? No?
I don't think they can be the forty nine ers.
And I think that like I said, like we said,
I think a scary team that you don't want to
play in the playoffs is Tampa Bay. I mean, they
could sneak up on you. You know, Tampa Bay. That here's
what Tampa Bay is. One of those teams. You don't
see him on TV very much, you know, and especially
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in this market. You know, you so people are like
Tampa Bay one, but you haven't seen them. But you
start looking at some of the highlights or some of
the stats and you go like, man, how is.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Baker Baker Mayfield's having. It's kind of a season.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
What's going A lot of people buried him, and boy,
what a comeback? I mean, and maybe this is where
he needs to be out of the lime left. But
he did win a playoff game for the Browns. People
forget that first playoff winning twenty something odd years and
people act like nothing happen in Cleveland. So, but we're
talking about the Cowboys. You want to hear about you
and where you are and the Cowboys. Are you still
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in or you're still out on the Cowboys? They lose
to the Bills, and then they go on the road
again and lose to Miami, which hadn't beat a team
over five hundred all year. It was a close game.
They lost on the field goal at the end, But
you have you lost faith as far as them moving
forward going to the playoffs? Can they beat a good
team on the road in the postseason because they're not
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winning the division? So where are you on the Cowboys?
Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox eight seven, seven,
nine nine, six sixty three sixty nine, Give me your
Cowboys meter? Are you still feeling them? You still feel
good about Dak and the Boys and Jerry Jones? Or
are you out on them? That and much more coming
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the air. And another turnover by Brock Purty. Another interception
by that Ravens defense. It's a five to three school.
I don't know who's pitching in this game, but but
five three San Franciscos leading. But you gotta get the
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Ravens defense is something? Come on, Allan Lee.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Hey, I went to ask you since we live out
here on the West Coast, now do you miss snow
and cold for Christmas?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Not at all? I can see it on video. I'm
good watch all the Christmas that we lived it.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, you on me, the corduroy pants, the boots, the
big jackets living. I'm good man. I lived in Detroit
for twenty years and you lived there eighteen lived there
twenty years.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
You used to have to have the snow service come
pave the driveway and so I can go to work
early in the morning to do the morning show.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
You were doing the morning news. What time did you
get to the station? Four before a little bit after four?
Sometimes unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Man man oh man, all right, allan uh and speaking
of so this game is under right here, it's a
pretty amazing where they are. And the Ravens with the
turnovers they brought pirty two interceptions, this is gonna be interesting.
This is a big game just to see where they are.
Because remember the forty nine ers or six and a
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half point favors in this game.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Right, this game being so low right now, if it
keeps this way, you know the defense is only going
to intensify rather than this still being the shootout. I mean,
you go, somebody, if you get behind late, somebody's going
to have to try to start making that up.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
And I told you before we came, before this game
started that the Ravens defense, like thirteen of the previous
fourteen games have allowed ten or fewer points in the
first half and thirteen of their last fourteen games.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
That's incredible. Can't take you all off the ball? That's bad.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
All right, let's get to the Detroit Lions, a team
that we know really well, they finally won the NFC
North for the first time.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Since nineteen ninety three. They were losing their minds.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Thirty they are celebrating that there's no more confetti left
in the city of Detroit.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Did you see social media yesterday where they were all
the fans.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Were all, uh, they're all worked up and all excited
and that it should be And Alan, I don't want
to be a Debbie downer, but.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I'm going to be a yes, yes you do. All right,
come on, let it out.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And I'm going to be a Debbie downer and I'm
going to tell you that this season will not nt
be a success unless they want a playoff game. Stop it, Alan,
it's not the first dude. The idea that it's been
thirty years since they wanted the division is dubious and
tells you how bad the organizations like. It's ridiculous, like
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even the Bears, where I've been that good and won
the division right like like within the last thirty years.
Thirty years is a ridiculous stat I get Aaron Rodgers
was there, I get Brett Favre was there. I get
all that, but that doesn't mean one year you can't
and you know this. Jim Caldwell won up in his years.
There three times. They one year they won eleven games,
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they won nine. A couple times they made the playoffs
two of its four times. It ain't like they have
made the playoffs in thirty years. But the only difference
and the only way I'm going to believe that the
Lions have really turned things around and are headed in
a different direction. And I'm gonna give Dan Campbell full credit. Yes, changing,
it's when they do something that they haven't done, and
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that's when a playoff game. They have not won a
playoff game since nineteen ninety one, and they've only won
one playoff game nineteen ninety one since nineteen fifty seven. One, Allen,
that's not even possible. And I remember watching when they
won the playoff game. I remember watching the game and
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I'll never forget. Go google it, go, put it. Go
check out YouTube John Madden after they beat the Cowboys
and with EMMITTT. Smith and Michael Irvin and uh Troy Aikman.
John John Madden says, you're watching the two teams of
the nineties, the Cowboys and the Lions. He said, the
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Lions and the Cowboys and you're gonna be hearing more
from these two teams. The Cowboys wouldn't went in after
that to be in a dynasty winning three out.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Of four Super Bowl. The Lions never made it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Think about that, and I'm gonna get people should be
excited because they want a division and and it's and
look they wanted.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
I'm not I'm not gonna take it away from you.
Cow Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
The Packers went away from a legendary quarterback to a
rookie rook first year starter. Bears are terrible and and
the Vikings lost their starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
That's how they wanted.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
To do it. You know, when we were on in
the summer, we had this discussion about who would win
this division and we all picked the Lions. We all said,
because the division is not very strong, it was going
to be the Lions. Now, obviously Minnesota had, you know,
the quarterback hurt. Kirk Cousins got hurt. They were they
were playing well, he was having a great season.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
He was and you don't know if he would have
stayed healthy, what would have happened exactly.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
But you know what, when you have been deprived for
so long, Lions fans are so used to getting their
heart broke. Every every season, there's always that one game
where you know they should have won or they were
up by this, and next thing, you know, it all collapse.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We've seen them all.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, So you know, I'm sort of like, let the
people enjoy this right now.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
It's a step in the right direction. It's a youth
And I hear.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
The thing you say, it's only going to be a
successful season if they win a playoff game. I say
it's already successful. But I think even if they go
to the playoffs and they make it interesting, they're competitive,
and they come up short, I still think it's an
O case.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I don't believe that. I think that at some point,
to really turn in the culture, it's about winning. And
once you do that, then we can't talk about nineteen
ninety one. We can't talk about one playoff wins in
nineteen fifty seven. You don't worry about that. You've turned
the page on it. Officially. If you lose, say they
get drilled, you can't tell me you're gonna walk away
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sand the Lions had a successful season. If the Rams
or the Cowboys or somebody come in and they lose
thirty four.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
To seven, you won't now, so you won't be saying that.
That's what I said.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I said, if it's a close game, if they play
somebody tough and close and you lose, you know, you
lose on the final drive of a game, on a
real tight game. I still think it's a successful season
in that sense because you have built upon this and
you know what you need to do for next season.
Like there's no question right now. If you look at
the Lions right now, you go next season. Don't the
way they draft, but they better show up that defensive backfield.
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You know, you've the Jamior Gibbs looks like the real deal,
especially moving forward because he's gonna get more usage. So yeah,
I just think, you know, you got to give them
some credit here for doing what they had to do.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Give the Ravens credit. They go off for a fourth
and goal and they get the one yard touchdown run
by Edwards and they were up nine to five, and
they got to get kicked the extra point. But that's
so far, so far, so good on the road.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
So you're still just not believing in the Lions. They
have to win a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
To me, to me, in order to just change things
for me, to really believe that there's changed, because because Alan,
you noticed, when I worked as a columnist at the
Detroit Free Press and the Detroit News, I covered the
Lions every road game for like twenty you know, I
was at every game.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I saw it.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I went to saw the playoff games, you know, like,
it's not like they never made the playoffs and they
didn't have good teams. So to me to officially make
that next move, because if you remember when they when
Bob Quinn came in as general manager and they fired their.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Who I just say, the other coach from the Colts. Oh,
I'm me too.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
But when they when they when they fired him, they
said Jim carlwell, I'm sorry. When they fired Jim Carwell,
remember they said nine to seven and going to the
playoff ain't good enough. You remember that nine to seven
and going to the playoffs ain't good enough. And That's
what I'm saying. You gotta hold yourself. You can't just
be throwing up confetti. Hey, we want a division. Okay,
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now now we lose the playoff game, a home playoff game.
You just want a division might win twelve games. You
don't expect to win that game. You gotta be disappointed
and gotta feel like you didn't get to your goal
this year because you said it. Most people gave them
the division because they looked at the division coming in
and was like, oh no, Aaron Rodgers, the Bears are
(24:47):
no good, Okay, so they just gotta beat the Vikings, okay.
And the Vikings gave up that start running back, you remember,
and they were the changes there.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
But you know what I mean, there was finally hope.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
For years, everybody was telling the Ford Family like, like
the fans are yelling at Pistons games, now, sell the team,
sell the team.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
The Ford Family finally, twenty twenty six years, twenty six
losses in a row.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Has finally got it right. The Ford Family finally seems
to have gotten the formula right. The people took over
and made the right decisions, made the right choices, and
you're in the right situation. But yeah, the Pistons, we
don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
No, we're not going to get this too ugly. But
I'm just saying, where are you on the Lions. You
know some people are in on the Lions, are excited
their defense. You talked about it. I don't think their
defense is good enough to beat some of the better teams,
and we saw it. They lost, should have lost to
the Bears. Remember the Bears gave them a gift.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
The Bears Game of tough Time. That was both games
this season.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
They did, and then they also lost to Green Bay
at home on Thanksgiving. Seattle came into that building after
they beat the Chiefs and the opening scored thirty one
on their building. On their defense against some better teams,
we have to see that defense play because it ain't
just gonna be offensive. It gotta be defensive. They gotta
make some plays. Where are you on the Lions? What
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would be success in Detroit? We want to hear from
you the three one three as well. Anybody can call
an eight seven to seven ninety nine on Fox? Is
just winning the division good enough? And they've already succeeded
and they can get lose and it doesn't matter. Or
do they need to win a playoff game? Do they
honestly need to win? I think they need to win
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a playoff game. Allen says, they play a competitive game
and lose. He's good with it. There's a success. We
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But let's go do we brought up that Chiefs game.
The Raiders somehow without getting a completion in the last
three quarters, they get two defensive turnovers in the span
of seven seconds, and you, being a former defensive player, yes,
you love that. I always go back to that Super
Bowl that I covered two thousand and two. I think
it was Tampa Bay against the Raiders. Yes, and it
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was pitted the number one offense, the Raiders, and the
number one defense and the defense with so many touchdowns
in that game. Do you remember that. I mean they
were running the back left and right. That was Gouden's
first That was Gooden championship. Yere yeap, that was it.
He took over Tony Dungee exactly like that would Tony
should have won with that team. It was unbelievable. Just
couldn't wait. He could not get over the hump. It
(29:14):
reminds me of similar to Marvin Lewis situation in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
You know, he kept getting making making it to.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
The player in the playoffs seven times under him. I mean,
they had good teams. It was unbelievable, and they could
not make could not win a playoff.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Couln't get over the hump. And then now you get
a you know, you get a new coach, and there
was some new blood. I think a lot of times,
once you kind of reached the pinnacle of the success
with the team and you know, you can't really get
over that hump, talking starts to fall on deaf years
and so yeah, it's time for a new change.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And I think it was. It was it was needed
for both of those suggestions.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
No, No, I don't think no one could argue even
with the Tampa They had too good of a game
that they couldn't somehow win a Super Bowl and they
do it the next year. But all right, but we
talked about the Raiders beat the Chiefs in that game.
They got two games left. It's still not mathematically eliminated.
They could make the playoffs. The Chiefs haven't.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Clinched the playoffs spot, which is shocking.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
But they've lost five of their last eight, and think
about that where they are. But Antonio Pierce is the
interim coach with the Raiders, and you know him from
New York. You played for the Giants, you played for
the Jets. Just you know, look at.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Where he is and.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Has he earned the head coaching job, because I know
most people were shocked when they saw what the Raiders
beat the Chiefs in Kansas City on Christmas.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, I knew.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
I knew it would be a close game, and I
thought they had a chance to win. So I wasn't
surprised that they won. But I was surprised that they won,
you know what I mean, because as good as as
good as I thought the game would be, and how
tight I thought it would be, I thought Kansas City
would find a way to win right, and you know.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Which in the old days they always did right right.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Yeah, But I'm for me, man, I'm just so impressed
with ap Antonio Pearson what he's done. And I mean,
I knew he would bring some energy in the building.
I've known him as as a player in New York
and when I was in my New York days as well.
Great leader, a guy that won a championship, so knows
how to win, knows how to galvanize guys, and so
I knew he'd be good. I think right now he
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definitely deserves to probably be in consideration for that job.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I'll say it's still up in the air.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
If he wins out for me, I would say give
it to him, because obviously the team's responding. But I
don't know what you what do you think about what's
going on with Ap and those guys.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, I think he's definitely earned his way into consideration
for the job when they do their search that he
has to be considered and be taken seriously, not like
a token interview or he's done a good enough job.
I'm just I'm not one to just stamp someone and
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automatically say he should get the job, because I want
to spread the net and make sure I look at
everybody that's out there, and then if I really believe
that he deserves the job.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Then he should get the job. So he's just saying,
do you do dealing?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And yeah, because they could be somebody else out there,
Sure that could be even better or fit where what
we're trying to do with the team. And maybe he
showed us some things, you know what I mean, that
we could do. And I'm not saying he doesn't deserve
to be there or I'm not poopooing him or what
he's done. He did win a game last week where
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the quarterback did not complete a pass for three quarters.
I mean, like, I don't know if you want a
trumpet that, but when you get too defensive touchdowns within
seven seconds, that'll.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Turn the game, and it certainly did.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
He's a defensive guy, right, so you know he's gonna
hang his hat there and I'm sure he has his
imprint over the whole locker room, in the whole team.
But when it comes to defense, that's what it's gonna be.
He's gonna be proud of for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Can the Raiders they might be willing to do this
with Antonio because of the financial picture, and you know,
let's not play dumb or act like finances don't play
into decisions that teams make, right they just Josh McDaniel's
out the window and he's got four years fully guaranteed
coming to him. Yes, okay, So Josh McDaniels could go
(33:07):
to Dubai on vacation for the next three years, I
mean seriously, and getting paid every nickel of that guarantee contract.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
John Gruden, even though he got fired with cars, they
had to make a settlement, they still owed him like
sixty of the one hundred million or something. I don't
know if we'd haven't heard what it is. Did he
get thirty, did he get twenty five?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Whatever? He got some money.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Oh yeah, he didn't go out without a fight, okay,
without when he had that much money left.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
So they're on the hook for a ton of money.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, and they might go just can't go out and
really go for the sweet stakes. Maybe Bill Belichick does
become available in New England and you're not gonna get
him on the cheap, even though he's having a down year.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Well you know what I mean, he just had a
disciple of his in there. I don't think you want
to bring Bill Belichick to that to the mix. Obviously
he's a different animal. He's Bill Belichick. But I mean
he does come with the six Super Bowls. I'm just saying,
but it's gonna cost you money. He ain't coming for
free for sure. Yeah, I mean, I think you have
to go where the pulse of the team is, and
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right now the post of the team is with a
p and if he wins out and say they do
make the.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Players different if you can, we went out and make
the playoff. But say, I'm just say they lose the
last two and it's not pretty. No, I'm just it's
not prety, it's not party or it is perdy and
and it stinks.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
But but but it makes you feel.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Like Manti hates you. I'm sorry, Manzi. I'm just calling
it like I see it. It wasn't pardy, Yes it
was not. It was It was fugly is what it was. Okay,
But anyway, if if if that happens, then you don't
have the same feel. You got to admit that. For
us talking about it, coming off a win in Kansas
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City on Christmas.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
You're feeling good. Oh the win to win out is important, right.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But if you lo was the next two and then
they don't make the playoffs and it doesn't, it has
a wom wo.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It just doesn't feel like he's good.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
Yeah, it's it's a little delayed, Alex delayed, but yeah
you got it, you got it in.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Its beautiful whoa whoah wah. But that's me doing a turkey?
Is that you little gig y? That sounds kind of
guys have fun in here. I like it. I had
a glizzy in my mouth, Alex, I don't know why.
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Was in New York. I had a hot dog. I
was telling him and he goes to record the thing.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
My god, he's a sound guy. Alex knows what he likes.
It's a plate, you know. He came into this segment
with the little Doja cats. I said, you know, not
get it. I know what's going on over there, Alex.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yes, but it's now help me with this because uh
and and Antonio was a coach before.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
So I'm not putting him in the Jeff Saturday case.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
No, but no I'm not because I'm not gonna disrespective
he put in his dudes.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
He's been coaching.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
He deserved the chance that he got, But there was
talk when Jeff Saturday got that job.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
There were a lot of NFL players were like.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Oh see after he won Game one, you remember that
one Game one? Even Bill Cowell. I lost a lot
for Bill Cower. I don't know if you remember. Bill
Cower was on CBS and was against it. You know
what I mean at first was against it, and rightfully so.
On the coaching fraternity people put in time and you
know what I mean, like, yes, it would be like
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you being a player.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And so Joe.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Blow's nephew didn't play football, but he's in great shape
and he's got a physique, and you go, oh, man,
you like a football player, Let's put you on the team.
You would be like what, oh, he would right right,
he would sink exactly, swimming exactly. But that's what they
did with Jeff Saturday, and players were like, oh, you
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just need to be.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
The leader, man.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
You don't need to be a football more so on
any sports football, am I right? Like some of these
other one you might be able to stand around if
you got talent, right, not a football you gotta really have,
Like what are you doing for players in position to
win and succeed? Or its football coaches earn their Money's yes,
it's an animal. It's a whole different animal because of
your team schemes with so many different personalities, archetypes, I mean,
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managing the team times, schedules.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
It's a lot. Coaches don't sleep when they do it
the right way.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
So it's one of those professions where you don't you
don't take that for granted or take it lightly. Those
guys put in their time.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
But now so the Jeff Saturday again, that's another one
of those, like Brock Purties moment yesterday, that was a
turning point because had Jeff Saturday had success, you know,
the NFL is a copycat league, Yes, and that would
have started that.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Oh yeah, you know, I like so and so. He
talks a great game about football. He was a leader. Man,
He won a couple of Super Bowls with a team. Man.
He don't need to be a coach. He knows football
and they guys respect them. Guys would have started getting higher. Yeah,
but he was such a disaster. After Week one, Bill
Kauer denounced it. Yeah, he won Game one, totally did
a three what do you call three? Eight one sixty?
(38:16):
Totally turn around, and then of course Jeff's Saturday what
to bed the rest of the what wait, so what
the cow were saying? He was then he was all
for it. He like endorsed it and said look at
what he did after week one. And this guy like
like just totally as if winning one game had totally
changed his mind.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
Somebody got in his ear. Yeah, for sure, somebody got
in his ear in that one. But I think it's
the one thing about coaching though, that I would say,
if you are a leader of man, and you're somebody
that obviously have a way with, you know, motivating guys
and getting them to play and do what they do,
you have to come in there and have a full
season of bringing in guys that are gonna that's gonna
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elevate what you do. And I think that's what the
really good head coaches they do, and I think that's
why they have when we talk about coaching trees, it's.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Because of that.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
They're bringing in guys that know just as much as
they do or smarter, and so you delegate them those
coaches that's what they should do. And so like even
if Jeff Saturday came in at in the off season
and got to do that and put people around him
that were brighter than him at that situation, probably could
have got away with it, but the fact they threw
him in during the season like that, it was terrible.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
It was a disaster.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, And you remember what was the game that were
leading by what was it thirty four to nothing or whatever,
one of those games and they lost that game. That
was the beginning of the end. All right, We want
to take a few calls here we are eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox. Just your thoughts Antonio Piers
and the Raiders job. Did he secure that job after
they beat the Chiefs on Christmas? Or is that just
(39:50):
being a prisoner of the moment and not yet? And
if not, Antonio Piers, who would you like to see
coach the Raiders will do that and then they'll forget
Rob Woodson's coming up? That and your phone calls. It
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yes, and I enjoy it too, My goodness, gracious, Merry
Christmas and happy Holidays to everybody, to my family, to
the Parker family in New York, Merry Christmas to everybody.
I don't get to see the youngins anymore. They're all
doing their own thing, you know what I mean. I
got three nieces and a nephew there look up to
(00:51):
the big alp No. So they were very You know
what I loved is in Christmas and you know this
with your family who I know, But just to respond,
aren't you get out of I got a video from
my nephew. Albany has a son. Tristan has two sons,
and Tristan is you know, old enough to enjoy the
whole Christmas experience. He's like four years old, and they
(01:14):
sent me a video of him opening the present.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
I said, just the joy in his face. Oh man,
it's awesome. It's awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
But you know, for anybody who has kids and you
and you just went through that whole experience, there is
no greater joy, right than being you know, the kids
storming in your room, like at six am, waking you
up after the night before. You know, you've been helping
Sanna exactly. Santa's cookies are all right, and the milk
and everything.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
And then that's the other thing too, is like you know,
like some of the kids have come and my friends
have told you know, they tell me and and like
there is one of my buddies told me son came
into the room, you know, tapped him and said, I
think Santa was here. You know what I mean, right,
you know, like get out of bed, Get out of bed,
let's go, I think Santa was here, right, Just go downstairs,
let's go, let's go, let's go. And they don't go
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down without asking, you know, don't not go downstairs, not
touch anything, you know exactly, and they got to come
in and then it's a Christmas morning.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
And they always check used to check to see this
made sure that Santa ate the cookie.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Cookie's right. Did he drink the milk? I'll drink the milk.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, all that?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, all that.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Man, You know, no wonder he's put on some pals
with all the cookies in the milk.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I mean, my goodness.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
All right, our number two of the odd couple on
this Magic City Christmas Monday night. You know we got
the magic, I mean, the heat and sixers are about
to tip off. We got another football game coming up.
The forty nine Ers are hosting the Ravens. Not in
San Francisco, in the place three hours from there, but
(02:41):
close to it.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, if you were playing pro sports, would you want
to play on Christmas Day now?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
But you're working here? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I would that translate for you to have to play
a game I mean, I think I think it's oversaturated now.
At one point, it was really an honor because everybody
was home, because you know, us working in Detroit for
a long time, we did the Thanksgiving I worked every
Thanksgiving and then it was a part of the fabric
of the city.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
People go to a Thanksgiving Day game and then they
had dinner after. It's like just a part of the
thing that went on. But Christmas is tough and it's
good to be here, all right, So let's do this.
The Dallas Cowboys. So they lose to Miami on a
late field goal, right, I mean had a chance. They
(03:25):
scored a late touchdown, but then couldn't the defense couldn't
hold it. Miami finally get to win against a team
over five hundred. It's huge for Miami. The game was there,
but the Cowboys lost.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Again.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
They did be one team over five hundred, right, the Eagles,
I believe this year. So where are you on the
Cowboys as we go forward? Because they've won twelve games
over the years, like, like, this is not them winning twelve.
It looks like they're not gonna win a division now, right,
So they're not gonna gonna be like a fifth or
sixth seed, right, not a one seed like the Eagles.
(03:57):
Of course, winning today that helps them in that situation.
But where are you on the Cowboys in another another
game where they couldn't beat like I.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Think a lot of teams.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I think a lot of teams are like in the
situation right now, just like the Eagles today where they
almost lost that game to the to the lowly Giants
almost lost that game. As this season has gone on,
the greatest thing I think you want to really do
is clinch early if you can't, because it looks like
a lot of teams are kind of tired. Looks like
a lot of teams are physically and possibly mentally worn
(04:30):
out at this time. They're making mistakes, they're doing things,
players are doing some uncharacteristic things. And the Cowboys have
not looked like the same old Cowboys team where Dak
was just killing it earlier in the season. You know,
he was like in the MVP discussion, he was playing
so well.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
You know, he was just like the boy that happened
the last two games after they lost that game in Buffalo,
and then they go to Miami with a chance to
get right right. Miami has had ten wins, hadn't beaten
a good team there was that would have been a
good win for Dallas coming off that lost.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
To the Bill, right.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I think you get to this point in the season
and there are teams that have so much not only
tape on you, but have analyzed you so much and
know what you do well and know what you do wrong.
Because I think today and they were talking about how
Miami was playing the Cowboys and how the defensively you
sort of like drop guys back now to sort of
take away things from Dak and make it a little
bit tougher for him and I All season long because
(05:24):
he's on one of my fantasy teams, I kept questioning,
wait a minute, you got rid of Ezekiel Elliott because
Tony Poler was supposed to be the main Well.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
He didn't have the year that that people expected, but
he was rightfully Dak was. I mean, uh, Zeke was
at the end with Cowboy exactly right. But Pollard hasn't
lived up to it, I'll.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Give you, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And it's almost to the point now it seems like
in their offense they're like he is an afterthought. You know,
they don't go to him as much as you would
even think to try to get him going, which is
interesting to me. And I think that that that they
went away with Matt once Dak started to really play
out of his mind and throwing touchdowns all over the
FI for a while.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But that was the biggest issue, is that the Cowboys
win games. They bludge in bad teams bludge. You talked
about the month that Dak had and everybody you had
him in the MVP conversation and then he had a
stinker in.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
But can they where are they? I picked them originally
to play the Ravens in the Super Bowl. I picked
the Cowboys when I looked at the NFC and I
look at some of the stuff that they had. I
looked at their schedule, I looked at they got a quarterback.
I looked at, you know, some of the stuff. He
doesn't have to be spectacularly the spectacular quarterback to win
right limiture mistakes, get the ball to people, you need
(06:41):
to on third down, and it's not rocket science. You
don't have to be like the all time greatest to
win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
I think early in the season, I think the biggest
takeaway was in the NFC was you had basically two
teams that everybody thought was going to be there. Philadelphia
and the forty nine Ers forty Niners still looked like
the cream of the crop of the NFC. The question is, now, though,
you know who kind of is sneaking up on people
Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
And you know what we're gon, We're gonna give some
Baker Mayfield some credit. We have to.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
They've won four games in a row. He's played well,
played well, He's played well. I mean that went in
Green Bay, which I believing a perfect passer rate.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, they've got They've gotten the most out. It was
that Rashid White, the running back who for years has
just sort of been a so so player in that organization.
He is starting to just come on. So something is
going on down there where they have discovered a system
that works other for Mayfield, but for him.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
But what what where are you on the Cowboys as
far as if they don't wind up getting this done,
if they have another postseason blowout. You know when I
mean bout, I mean, is this is this on Mike McCarthy.
Is this a Dak statement because he was playing well?
He was in the m VP conversation like if this
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falls apart and they lose and their their playoff, they're
gonna be the fifth or exceed, right and they lose?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
What who do you put the blame on?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
There?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
They were rolling.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I have to put this blame on the head coach because,
as I said, teams are starting to Playdack a little
bit differently on the defensive backfield, especially in trying to
reduce what he had been doing throwing the ball CD
lamb and throwing the ball of cook all over the place.
But now so if teams are starting to take that
away from you, you have to adjust, You have to
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you have to sort of do things different.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Which is so much about adjustment we talk about all
the time, and not to get off off the course,
but Alie de la Cruz with the Reds. Remember he
came in Gangsters and I was on MLB Network and
I'm just bringing this up because I tried to tell
people he was killing it. Remember the Next Big Star
put him on the All Star team on you know,
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he finished with a two thirty five batting average and
struck out a ton you know what, because they adjusted
to him and he wasn't able to adjust.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
James outman of the Dodgers, Remember he started off and
he was just looking like wow. And then team's kind
of like.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Okay, okay, we know you can the fastball.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Now that hit this right and and and he made
some adjustments, but he went into that funk where like, Okay,
I look like a rookie.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And this is what I'm saying, like in sports, and
that's why you're saying, Mike McCarthy hasn't made the necessary
adjustments because the offense have been better without color.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Kellum Moore, would you say.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
That, yes, yes, And you know, and here's a guy
who came from Green Bay, so you know he's he's
he's coached great quarterbacks. But and you would think that
mccarvey has probably seen every kind of defense you can
imagine to try to stop your A list quarterback. So
I think that some of that situation where the adjustments
have to come from him, he has to, I think
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do a better look at the game film will get
they're taken this away from Dak now and we're not
as successful. We've We've got to figure out something else
in order to get us down the field.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's gonna be interesting because I think a lot of
people at some point don't you think how many years
can you keep going where you're not gonna make it
to the NFC Championship Game?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
And who would you?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I don't know right now. I think the Lions would
play who Right now they play the Rams, But what
if it was the Cowboys? Who would you pick in
that game? In Detroit?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Well, the interesting thing about Detroit, though, Detroit's defensive backfield
is suspect.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I agree with that. That's a scary part.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
You know, So Dak might be Dak again mid season,
Dak against against that Lion's secondary. That's what you would
have to really worry about him, his ability to throw
that ball all over the field against that secondary. You know,
Lions fans are chomping at the bid of the possibility
of having to see Matt Stafford again.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
How painful would that be if he were able to
come and then rain on their parade and still continue
them not having the playoff?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yeah, and you know, I'm telling you the Rams offensively now,
they're flawed.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
But and then I'm not They've won five out of
six or whatever it is all teams under five hundred,
but that's who's doing the schedule. I'm not knocking them
a chance to beat the raven And they didn't win
that game. That showed me something. Remember they lost an overtime.
They should have won that game, but they didn't win
that game. So I don't know where they are because
they're flawed and a better team could probably beat them.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
A better team, right.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
But now you think about those Rams wide receivers having
to play against the Lions though cup Pooka. That's a
tough that's a tough defensive assignment. And if you know
how tough Stafford is, and people I don't think sometimes
forget just how mentally and physically tough, especially physically Stafford
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takes a beating out there and just keeps going right.
You know, he's gonna be you know, at the end
of his playing career. I just hope they just give
him a sofa and let it lay around because he
takes a physical beating.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, no, he's been in there and remember that Detroit.
He got beat up a lot, I heard early on
in his career.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
But the question really for the Cowboys is do they
have enough to beat? Can they beat the Eagles? At
this point in time in the season, Eagles are starting
to regress a little bit as well.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, the Eagles are the same team. And I think
we talked to this Allen before the show. Everybody thinks
it's the same team that went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
They lost both coordinated, they lost a ton of players
on defense. It's not the same team. And they won
early when they were winning all those games, a lot
of close games against you know, and they were being
good teams and then they hit that patch and everybody's
like wow. I mean they went through like a Gauntlett
of team four games in a row and they beat
them all.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Like like, now, if you went ahead to head, do
I think the Cowboys could be the forty nine ers? No?
I don't think they can be the forty nine ers.
And I think that like I said, like we said,
I think a scary team that you don't want to
play in the playoffs is Tampa Bay. I mean, they
could sneak up on you. You know, Tampa Bay. That here's
what Tampa Bay is. One of those teams. You don't
see him on TV very much, you know, and especially
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in this market. You know, you so people are like
Tampa Bay one, but you haven't seen them. But you
start looking at some of the highlights or some of
the stats and you go like, man, how is.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Baker Baker Mayfield's having. It's kind of a season.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
What's going A lot of people buried him, and boy,
what a comeback? I mean, and maybe this is where
he needs to be out of the lime left. But
he did win a playoff game for the Browns. People
forget that first playoff winning twenty something odd years and
people act like nothing happen in Cleveland. So, but we're
talking about the Cowboys. You want to hear about you
and where you are and the Cowboys. Are you still
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in or you're still out on the Cowboys? They lose
to the Bills, and then they go on the road
again and lose to Miami, which hadn't beat a team
over five hundred all year. It was a close game.
They lost on the field goal at the end, But
you have you lost faith as far as them moving
forward going to the playoffs? Can they beat a good
team on the road in the postseason because they're not
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winning the division? So where are you on the Cowboys?
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the air. And another turnover by Brock Purty. Another interception
by that Ravens defense. It's a five to three school.
I don't know who's pitching in this game, but but
five three San Franciscos leading. But you gotta get the
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Ravens defense is something? Come on, Allan Lee.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Hey, I went to ask you since we live out
here on the West Coast, now do you miss snow
and cold for Christmas?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Not at all? I can see it on video. I'm
good watch all the Christmas that we lived it.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, you on me, the corduroy pants, the boots, the
big jackets living. I'm good man. I lived in Detroit
for twenty years and you lived there eighteen lived there
twenty years.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
You used to have to have the snow service come
pave the driveway and so I can go to work
early in the morning to do the morning show.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
You were doing the morning news. What time did you
get to the station? Four before a little bit after four?
Sometimes unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Man man oh man, all right, allan uh and speaking
of so this game is under right here, it's a
pretty amazing where they are. And the Ravens with the
turnovers they brought pirty two interceptions, this is gonna be interesting.
This is a big game just to see where they are.
Because remember the forty nine ers or six and a
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half point favors in this game.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Right, this game being so low right now, if it
keeps this way, you know the defense is only going
to intensify rather than this still being the shootout. I mean,
you go, somebody, if you get behind late, somebody's going
to have to try to start making that up.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
And I told you before we came, before this game
started that the Ravens defense, like thirteen of the previous
fourteen games have allowed ten or fewer points in the
first half and thirteen of their last fourteen games.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
That's incredible. Can't take you all off the ball? That's bad.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
All right, let's get to the Detroit Lions, a team
that we know really well, they finally won the NFC
North for the first time.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Since nineteen ninety three. They were losing their minds.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Thirty they are celebrating that there's no more confetti left
in the city of Detroit.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Did you see social media yesterday where they were all
the fans.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Were all, uh, they're all worked up and all excited
and that it should be And Alan, I don't want
to be a Debbie downer, but.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I'm going to be a yes, yes you do. All right,
come on, let it out.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And I'm going to be a Debbie downer and I'm
going to tell you that this season will not nt
be a success unless they want a playoff game. Stop it, Alan,
it's not the first dude. The idea that it's been
thirty years since they wanted the division is dubious and
tells you how bad the organizations like. It's ridiculous, like
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even the Bears, where I've been that good and won
the division right like like within the last thirty years.
Thirty years is a ridiculous stat I get Aaron Rodgers
was there, I get Brett Favre was there. I get
all that, but that doesn't mean one year you can't
and you know this. Jim Caldwell won up in his years.
There three times. They one year they won eleven games,
(19:03):
they won nine. A couple times they made the playoffs
two of its four times. It ain't like they have
made the playoffs in thirty years. But the only difference
and the only way I'm going to believe that the
Lions have really turned things around and are headed in
a different direction. And I'm gonna give Dan Campbell full credit. Yes, changing,
it's when they do something that they haven't done, and
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that's when a playoff game. They have not won a
playoff game since nineteen ninety one, and they've only won
one playoff game nineteen ninety one since nineteen fifty seven. One, Allen,
that's not even possible. And I remember watching when they
won the playoff game. I remember watching the game and
(19:52):
I'll never forget. Go google it, go, put it. Go
check out YouTube John Madden after they beat the Cowboys
and with EMMITTT. Smith and Michael Irvin and uh Troy Aikman.
John John Madden says, you're watching the two teams of
the nineties, the Cowboys and the Lions. He said, the
(20:16):
Lions and the Cowboys and you're gonna be hearing more
from these two teams. The Cowboys wouldn't went in after
that to be in a dynasty winning three out.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Of four Super Bowl. The Lions never made it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Think about that, and I'm gonna get people should be
excited because they want a division and and it's and
look they wanted.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
I'm not I'm not gonna take it away from you.
Cow Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
The Packers went away from a legendary quarterback to a
rookie rook first year starter. Bears are terrible and and
the Vikings lost their starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
That's how they wanted.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
To do it. You know, when we were on in
the summer, we had this discussion about who would win
this division and we all picked the Lions. We all said,
because the division is not very strong, it was going
to be the Lions. Now, obviously Minnesota had, you know,
the quarterback hurt. Kirk Cousins got hurt. They were they
were playing well, he was having a great season.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
He was and you don't know if he would have
stayed healthy, what would have happened exactly.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
But you know what, when you have been deprived for
so long, Lions fans are so used to getting their
heart broke. Every every season, there's always that one game
where you know they should have won or they were
up by this, and next thing, you know, it all collapse.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We've seen them all.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, So you know, I'm sort of like, let the
people enjoy this right now.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
It's a step in the right direction. It's a youth
And I hear.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
The thing you say, it's only going to be a
successful season if they win a playoff game. I say
it's already successful. But I think even if they go
to the playoffs and they make it interesting, they're competitive,
and they come up short, I still think it's an
O case.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I don't believe that. I think that at some point,
to really turn in the culture, it's about winning. And
once you do that, then we can't talk about nineteen
ninety one. We can't talk about one playoff wins in
nineteen fifty seven. You don't worry about that. You've turned
the page on it. Officially. If you lose, say they
get drilled, you can't tell me you're gonna walk away
(22:17):
sand the Lions had a successful season. If the Rams
or the Cowboys or somebody come in and they lose
thirty four.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
To seven, you won't now, so you won't be saying that.
That's what I said.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I said, if it's a close game, if they play
somebody tough and close and you lose, you know, you
lose on the final drive of a game, on a
real tight game. I still think it's a successful season
in that sense because you have built upon this and
you know what you need to do for next season.
Like there's no question right now. If you look at
the Lions right now, you go next season. Don't the
way they draft, but they better show up that defensive backfield.
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You know, you've the Jamior Gibbs looks like the real deal,
especially moving forward because he's gonna get more usage. So yeah,
I just think, you know, you got to give them
some credit here for doing what they had to do.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Give the Ravens credit. They go off for a fourth
and goal and they get the one yard touchdown run
by Edwards and they were up nine to five, and
they got to get kicked the extra point. But that's
so far, so far, so good on the road.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
So you're still just not believing in the Lions. They
have to win a playoff team.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
To me, to me, in order to just change things
for me, to really believe that there's changed, because because Alan,
you noticed, when I worked as a columnist at the
Detroit Free Press and the Detroit News, I covered the
Lions every road game for like twenty you know, I
was at every game.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I saw it.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I went to saw the playoff games, you know, like,
it's not like they never made the playoffs and they
didn't have good teams. So to me to officially make
that next move, because if you remember when they when
Bob Quinn came in as general manager and they fired their.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Who I just say, the other coach from the Colts. Oh,
I'm me too.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
But when they when they when they fired him, they
said Jim carlwell, I'm sorry. When they fired Jim Carwell,
remember they said nine to seven and going to the
playoff ain't good enough. You remember that nine to seven
and going to the playoffs ain't good enough. And That's
what I'm saying. You gotta hold yourself. You can't just
be throwing up confetti. Hey, we want a division. Okay,
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now now we lose the playoff game, a home playoff game.
You just want a division might win twelve games. You
don't expect to win that game. You gotta be disappointed
and gotta feel like you didn't get to your goal
this year because you said it. Most people gave them
the division because they looked at the division coming in
and was like, oh no, Aaron Rodgers, the Bears are
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no good, Okay, so they just gotta beat the Vikings, okay.
And the Vikings gave up that start running back, you remember,
and they were the changes there.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
But you know what I mean, there was finally hope.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
For years, everybody was telling the Ford Family like, like
the fans are yelling at Pistons games, now, sell the team,
sell the team.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
The Ford Family finally, twenty twenty six years, twenty six
losses in a row.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Has finally got it right. The Ford Family finally seems
to have gotten the formula right. The people took over
and made the right decisions, made the right choices, and
you're in the right situation. But yeah, the Pistons, we
don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
No, we're not going to get this too ugly. But
I'm just saying, where are you on the Lions. You
know some people are in on the Lions, are excited
their defense. You talked about it. I don't think their
defense is good enough to beat some of the better teams,
and we saw it. They lost, should have lost to
the Bears. Remember the Bears gave them a gift.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
The Bears Game of tough Time. That was both games
this season.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
They did, and then they also lost to Green Bay
at home on Thanksgiving. Seattle came into that building after
they beat the Chiefs and the opening scored thirty one
on their building. On their defense against some better teams,
we have to see that defense play because it ain't
just gonna be offensive. It gotta be defensive. They gotta
make some plays. Where are you on the Lions? What
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would be success in Detroit? We want to hear from
you the three one three as well. Anybody can call
an eight seven to seven ninety nine on Fox? Is
just winning the division good enough? And they've already succeeded
and they can get lose and it doesn't matter. Or
do they need to win a playoff game? Do they
honestly need to win? I think they need to win
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a playoff game. Allen says, they play a competitive game
and lose. He's good with it. There's a success. We
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But let's go do we brought up that Chiefs game.
The Raiders somehow without getting a completion in the last
three quarters, they get two defensive turnovers in the span
of seven seconds, and you, being a former defensive player, yes,
you love that. I always go back to that Super
Bowl that I covered two thousand and two. I think
it was Tampa Bay against the Raiders. Yes, and it
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was pitted the number one offense, the Raiders, and the
number one defense and the defense with so many touchdowns
in that game. Do you remember that. I mean they
were running the back left and right. That was Gouden's
first That was Gooden championship. Yere yeap, that was it.
He took over Tony Dungee exactly like that would Tony
should have won with that team. It was unbelievable. Just
couldn't wait. He could not get over the hump. It
(29:14):
reminds me of similar to Marvin Lewis situation in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
You know, he kept getting making making it to.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
The player in the playoffs seven times under him. I mean,
they had good teams. It was unbelievable, and they could
not make could not win a playoff.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Couln't get over the hump. And then now you get
a you know, you get a new coach, and there
was some new blood. I think a lot of times,
once you kind of reached the pinnacle of the success
with the team and you know, you can't really get
over that hump, talking starts to fall on deaf years
and so yeah, it's time for a new change.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And I think it was. It was it was needed
for both of those suggestions.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
No, No, I don't think no one could argue even
with the Tampa They had too good of a game
that they couldn't somehow win a Super Bowl and they
do it the next year. But all right, but we
talked about the Raiders beat the Chiefs in that game.
They got two games left. It's still not mathematically eliminated.
They could make the playoffs. The Chiefs haven't.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Clinched the playoffs spot, which is shocking.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
But they've lost five of their last eight, and think
about that where they are. But Antonio Pierce is the
interim coach with the Raiders, and you know him from
New York. You played for the Giants, you played for
the Jets. Just you know, look at.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Where he is and.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Has he earned the head coaching job, because I know
most people were shocked when they saw what the Raiders
beat the Chiefs in Kansas City on Christmas.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, I knew.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
I knew it would be a close game, and I
thought they had a chance to win. So I wasn't
surprised that they won. But I was surprised that they won,
you know what I mean, because as good as as
good as I thought the game would be, and how
tight I thought it would be, I thought Kansas City
would find a way to win right, and you know.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Which in the old days they always did right right.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
Yeah, But I'm for me, man, I'm just so impressed
with ap Antonio Pearson what he's done. And I mean,
I knew he would bring some energy in the building.
I've known him as as a player in New York
and when I was in my New York days as well.
Great leader, a guy that won a championship, so knows
how to win, knows how to galvanize guys, and so
I knew he'd be good. I think right now he
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definitely deserves to probably be in consideration for that job.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I'll say it's still up in the air.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
If he wins out for me, I would say give
it to him, because obviously the team's responding. But I
don't know what you what do you think about what's
going on with Ap and those guys.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, I think he's definitely earned his way into consideration
for the job when they do their search that he
has to be considered and be taken seriously, not like
a token interview or he's done a good enough job.
I'm just I'm not one to just stamp someone and
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automatically say he should get the job, because I want
to spread the net and make sure I look at
everybody that's out there, and then if I really believe
that he deserves the job.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Then he should get the job. So he's just saying,
do you do dealing?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And yeah, because they could be somebody else out there,
Sure that could be even better or fit where what
we're trying to do with the team. And maybe he
showed us some things, you know what I mean, that
we could do. And I'm not saying he doesn't deserve
to be there or I'm not poopooing him or what
he's done. He did win a game last week where
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the quarterback did not complete a pass for three quarters.
I mean, like, I don't know if you want a
trumpet that, but when you get too defensive touchdowns within
seven seconds, that'll.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Turn the game, and it certainly did.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
He's a defensive guy, right, so you know he's gonna
hang his hat there and I'm sure he has his
imprint over the whole locker room, in the whole team.
But when it comes to defense, that's what it's gonna be.
He's gonna be proud of for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Can the Raiders they might be willing to do this
with Antonio because of the financial picture, and you know,
let's not play dumb or act like finances don't play
into decisions that teams make, right they just Josh McDaniel's
out the window and he's got four years fully guaranteed
coming to him. Yes, okay, So Josh McDaniels could go
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to Dubai on vacation for the next three years, I
mean seriously, and getting paid every nickel of that guarantee contract.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
John Gruden, even though he got fired with cars, they
had to make a settlement, they still owed him like
sixty of the one hundred million or something. I don't
know if we'd haven't heard what it is. Did he
get thirty, did he get twenty five?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Whatever? He got some money.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Oh yeah, he didn't go out without a fight, okay,
without when he had that much money left.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
So they're on the hook for a ton of money.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, and they might go just can't go out and
really go for the sweet stakes. Maybe Bill Belichick does
become available in New England and you're not gonna get
him on the cheap, even though he's having a down year.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Well you know what I mean, he just had a
disciple of his in there. I don't think you want
to bring Bill Belichick to that to the mix. Obviously
he's a different animal. He's Bill Belichick. But I mean
he does come with the six Super Bowls. I'm just saying,
but it's gonna cost you money. He ain't coming for
free for sure. Yeah, I mean, I think you have
to go where the pulse of the team is, and
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right now the post of the team is with a
p and if he wins out and say they do
make the.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Players different if you can, we went out and make
the playoff. But say, I'm just say they lose the
last two and it's not pretty. No, I'm just it's
not prety, it's not party or it is perdy and
and it stinks.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
But but but it makes you feel.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Like Manti hates you. I'm sorry, Manzi. I'm just calling
it like I see it. It wasn't pardy, Yes it
was not. It was It was fugly is what it was. Okay,
But anyway, if if if that happens, then you don't
have the same feel. You got to admit that. For
us talking about it, coming off a win in Kansas
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City on Christmas.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
You're feeling good. Oh the win to win out is important, right.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But if you lo was the next two and then
they don't make the playoffs and it doesn't, it has
a wom wo.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It just doesn't feel like he's good.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
Yeah, it's it's a little delayed, Alex delayed, but yeah
you got it, you got it in.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Its beautiful whoa whoah wah. But that's me doing a turkey?
Is that you little gig y? That sounds kind of
guys have fun in here. I like it. I had
a glizzy in my mouth, Alex, I don't know why.
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Was in New York. I had a hot dog. I
was telling him and he goes to record the thing.
Speaker 6 (35:39):
My god, he's a sound guy. Alex knows what he likes.
It's a plate, you know. He came into this segment
with the little Doja cats. I said, you know, not
get it. I know what's going on over there, Alex.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yes, but it's now help me with this because uh
and and Antonio was a coach before.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
So I'm not putting him in the Jeff Saturday case.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
No, but no I'm not because I'm not gonna disrespective
he put in his dudes.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
He's been coaching.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
He deserved the chance that he got, But there was
talk when Jeff Saturday got that job.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
There were a lot of NFL players were like.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Oh see after he won Game one, you remember that
one Game one? Even Bill Cowell. I lost a lot
for Bill Cower. I don't know if you remember. Bill
Cower was on CBS and was against it. You know
what I mean at first was against it, and rightfully so.
On the coaching fraternity people put in time and you
know what I mean, like, yes, it would be like
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you being a player.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And so Joe.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Blow's nephew didn't play football, but he's in great shape
and he's got a physique, and you go, oh, man,
you like a football player, Let's put you on the team.
You would be like what, oh, he would right right,
he would sink exactly, swimming exactly. But that's what they
did with Jeff Saturday, and players were like, oh, you
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just need to be.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
The leader, man.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
You don't need to be a football more so on
any sports football, am I right? Like some of these
other one you might be able to stand around if
you got talent, right, not a football you gotta really have,
Like what are you doing for players in position to
win and succeed? Or its football coaches earn their Money's yes,
it's an animal. It's a whole different animal because of
your team schemes with so many different personalities, archetypes, I mean,
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managing the team times, schedules.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
It's a lot. Coaches don't sleep when they do it
the right way.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
So it's one of those professions where you don't you
don't take that for granted or take it lightly. Those
guys put in their time.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
But now so the Jeff Saturday again, that's another one
of those, like Brock Purties moment yesterday, that was a
turning point because had Jeff Saturday had success, you know,
the NFL is a copycat league, Yes, and that would
have started that.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Oh yeah, you know, I like so and so. He
talks a great game about football. He was a leader. Man,
He won a couple of Super Bowls with a team. Man.
He don't need to be a coach. He knows football
and they guys respect them. Guys would have started getting higher. Yeah,
but he was such a disaster. After Week one, Bill
Kauer denounced it. Yeah, he won Game one, totally did
a three what do you call three? Eight one sixty?
(38:16):
Totally turn around, and then of course Jeff's Saturday what
to bed the rest of the what wait, so what
the cow were saying? He was then he was all
for it. He like endorsed it and said look at
what he did after week one. And this guy like
like just totally as if winning one game had totally
changed his mind.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
Somebody got in his ear. Yeah, for sure, somebody got
in his ear in that one. But I think it's
the one thing about coaching though, that I would say,
if you are a leader of man, and you're somebody
that obviously have a way with, you know, motivating guys
and getting them to play and do what they do,
you have to come in there and have a full
season of bringing in guys that are gonna that's gonna
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elevate what you do. And I think that's what the
really good head coaches they do, and I think that's
why they have when we talk about coaching trees, it's.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Because of that.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
They're bringing in guys that know just as much as
they do or smarter, and so you delegate them those
coaches that's what they should do. And so like even
if Jeff Saturday came in at in the off season
and got to do that and put people around him
that were brighter than him at that situation, probably could
have got away with it, but the fact they threw
him in during the season like that, it was terrible.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
It was a disaster.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, And you remember what was the game that were
leading by what was it thirty four to nothing or whatever,
one of those games and they lost that game. That
was the beginning of the end. All right, We want
to take a few calls here we are eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox. Just your thoughts Antonio Piers
and the Raiders job. Did he secure that job after
they beat the Chiefs on Christmas? Or is that just
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being a prisoner of the moment and not yet? And
if not, Antonio Piers, who would you like to see
coach the Raiders will do that and then they'll forget
Rob Woodson's coming up? That and your phone calls. It
is the odd couple on the day after Christmas, right
here on Fox Sports Radio.
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