May 29, 2025 • 24 mins
Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental wealth podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today’s episode, Jay hits the hardwood with NBA Champion and New York Knicks Legend Jeremy Lin. From the couches to penthouses, Jeremy pulls back the curtain and paints a picture of what peak LINSANITY was really like. Lin opens up about his mental health struggles and talks about the tools he uses/learned to combat/manage them. He explains that it’s important to focus on what really matters and why open conversations with loved ones are key. Plus, he shares his incredible Unbreakable Moment!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental Wealth podcast
Build you from the inside out.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental Wealth podcast with Jay Laser.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm Jay Laser, and I'm proud to be joined by Look.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm a lifelong Nick fan and I don't know if
he identifies as a Nick now Rocket or Brooklyn whatever
he is.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
He's in Taiwan right now playing Lynn Savay Jeremy Lyn.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
How you doing, brother, I'm doing well. Thanks for having me.
You know, I definitely identify with being a Nick. I
don't need to only have one identity, but I definitely
identify it with being a New York Nick. So no,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Well. You know, I don't know how it works because
you know, I obviously in the NFL, and it goes
both ways. Sometimes gods are like, hey, move on from
a team, they still got love. But sometimes they move
on from a team and they're like, man, screw that team,
I'll never.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Like them again.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah. I mean, for me, my career is so interesting
because I played nine years in the league on nine
different NBA teams, So honestly, like what I identify most with
is my most favorite teams or my most favorite experiences,
So New York is definitely on there for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, obviously the Nicks are in the middle of a
huge series right now with the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
How close do you keep up with that?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I'm keeping up. I mean, I'm definitely following every game
and every box score. I don't a lot of times
I don't get a chance to watch because it's kind
of right in the middle with the time difference is
really hard. But like, for example, I was tuning in
to the twenty point comeback. Kat scores twenty in the
fourth and I'm in the middle of my lift, So
the fourth quarter is in the middle of my lift,
and I go straight to practice and then so as
(01:38):
much as whenever I get to tune in, I'll just
take a look at the box score, see what's happening
and things like that. But yeah, I'm definitely tuned in.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Very cool.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Look, you know, one of the reads, we'rebbing you onto
your superstar on the court Trooperstore off the Court. Also
because you've done a great job trying to destigmatize mental health,
and I want to hit that in a second here.
But I also, you know, I wrote a book called
them Breakable counter my Russian anxiety and a motivation you
can do. But part of it was I've gone from
broke to unbreakable. I know, both sides of it. I mean,
(02:06):
your story is unbelievable about you know, sleep on couches
when all of a sudden, Lindsay took over. Just give
our our listeners a you know, kind of a little
summary of that of both sides.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, I mean I grew up you know, Asian in
the Asian American in the US playing basketball main name.
Literally for the first twenty one years of my life,
I was always an underdog, constantly being laughed at, couldn't
even get chosen to get onto teams, like no one
had any expectations for me. All of a sudden, I
signed into the NBA, and I have like millions of
(02:37):
people aware of who I am and having expectations now,
you know, people who have not seen me ever play before,
like you know, even in Asia, like oh did you
see that? Like an Asian kid signed with the Golden
State Warriors, like Jeremy Lynn, let's follow and like, oh
my god, Asian pride, so you know, being able to
handle like no expectations my whole life to all of
a sudden, like I was like championinge this cause, or
(03:01):
I was like a poster boy for I was supposed
to represent for everybody that really affected me, and I
didn't know how to handle it. And then you know,
a year later in insanity happens. And so I thought
it was already hard when I was like a kind
of a relatively unknown rookie in Golden State, and all
of a sudden, You're literally the number one most googled
person on the planet in that year in twenty twelve,
(03:23):
and that took me to another level of you want
to talk about pressure, anxiety, fear, imposter syndrome, like you
name it, Like, yeah, that was what happened. I went
on to have a nine year NBA career, my last
year was able to win an NBA championship, first Asian
American to win an NBA championship. And now I'm in
year fifteen, still playing in Type I play for the
(03:45):
new Type A Kings right now and so still able
to enjoy the game of basketball. But that's kind of
a really quick synopsis of my story.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
It's interesting you said that because my first eleven years
of my career trying to be an NFL inside, which
the position didn't exist back it is, before the Internet
came out. But you know, I was making nine four
hundred and fifty bucks a year, broken, but living in
New York City, you know, having to get rides everywhere
back and forth from giants. Dandy and Michael Strahan had
a drive me back to New York City every single
(04:15):
day for the first seven years of my career.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So I'm like twenty eight grant and lincol Tunnel Fair.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
That's a different thing, but it was, you know, but
then all of a sudden you make it, and you know,
I tell people like, hey, it turned out my wallet
wasn't an antidepressant.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I thought like, man, there's gonna be rainbows and unicorns.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I got fame, but I got fortunate and man, and
I've tried to explain to people it comes with a
whole different sitting problems. And I don't you know, when
I was broken struggle, but man, you didn't have all
these other problems. And people are usually like shut the
fuck up, Gladier, like you have money. I don't want
to hear it. People don't understand it's there. There's pitfalls
to both of them, but especially you, which all of
(04:52):
a sudden it's bestowed on you. Hey, you are an
analysts in this Asian messia where you're gonna represent everybody.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It didn't happen yesterday, but now that's New York today. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
No, I mean, you know, my and I told a story.
I told a story many times. But just like even
when I graduated from Harvard, like I was preparing to
enter the NBA draft, and you know, my parents were
so far in debt. They took every last mortgage, every
last loan. IVY leagues don't give athletic scholarships. So I
was at Harvard every day, I was eating Subway sandwiches
(05:23):
because at that time they had the five dollars foot
long and I was just trying to save as much money.
You know, I couldn't even afford textbooks when I was
in college. I was just you know, borrowing them from
friends or going to the library or whatever. And so
my mom was like, hey, like, if you want to,
you know, do professional sports, you have to eat until
you're full. And so she actually took whatever was left
in her four on one k and gave it to
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me to be able to and she gave me two
years to chase my NBA dream. I was able to
sign in the NBA, and like you said, it was
like I understood that financial pressure and then all of
a sudden, overnight, it seems like I have everything avail.
All of a sudden, I was getting deals like, hey,
come down, sign a few autographs, will give you a
(06:04):
free BMW or hey, stay at this penthouse New York
apartment for free for the rest of the season. Like
you know, normally ten twelve k per month in rent
and we'll give it to you for free. Just stay here.
We want the publicity like and so, like you know,
I totally understand this, the thought process of like I've
been grinding, you know, I couldn't even eat till I
was full. I couldn't afford a textbook, and all of
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a sudden, it's like, man, it's all at your feet.
And I would say that through it all I had
to learn like who am I? And I would say, like,
the biggest thing I had to figure out was who
am I without all of this stuff? Because you know,
you watch shows or movies or music or whatever, and
you think that when that stuff comes, like you said,
(06:48):
it's like rainbows like rosen rainbow and you're happy forever
all day, every day. That's not at all the case.
I'm not downplaying. I'm not saying that like, oh, signing
those contracts wasn't helpful me. It was great. It was
allowed me to repay the day is I'll be taking
care of my family, allowed me to pay back my
student loans, and I'm so glad, But it isn't. It
doesn't make my life good forever and solve everything. And
(07:10):
so I had to go through a really a multi
year process of figuring out who am I outside of
my fame, my work, my success, my wealth. Who am
I at its core as a person? And that was
that was a journey totally resonates to me.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I am probably about six or seven years ago.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Six years ago, I'm on foxing the Bell Sunday and
I'm talking to everyone home and at the second segment,
I'll never forget.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I think I'm a year four of doing ballers.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I'm the most prolific insider in America.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I have, you know, host of the UFC. And as
I'm talking.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
To America giving my report, the roommates in my head
start saying, what is going on? Why are we still
so sad? What I thought, Like I said, I thought
would get here to be rainbows and unicorns, it's not.
And that's when I really started going on my journey
to figure out how to get these roommates to play
along nicely with each other.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
What did you do to go on your journey?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, So there's a very vivid moment. It was about
three to four weeks into insanity and by now it like,
by now, insanity's at its peak peak and I'm playing
I'm taking I'm in Chicago, We're about to play the
Chicago Bulls when they had MVP Derrick Rose, and I'm
sitting in my hotel room and I'm like, all right,
(08:29):
I didn't take my pregame nap, get ready for the game.
I take the nap. I immediately wake up, like within
thirty minutes supposed to be you know, on and one
and a half to three hour nap. I wake up
and I'm just cold, sweating, panic like almost just like
panic anxiety.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Just if you're having a heart attack. I get it.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, And in that moment, I remember thinking so vividly.
I thought to myself, and if insanity is not enough,
then what is right, the nothing this world can give
me is enough. If literally above and beyond my wildest
dreams is not enough for me, then what is enough?
(09:06):
And I remember that empty feeling, and the reason why
so vivid is because it was so piercing. Was that empty,
hollow feeling. And so that's when I really had to
strip away the distractions, peel away the onion, the layers
of the onion that like all the fluff on the outside,
and I got back to my faith, and I had
to really lock into my faith and just remind myself
like Jesus loves me for who I am, regardless if
(09:29):
I score another point, win another game, regardless if I'm
insanity or I'm just jere me. Like I am already
fully loved and approved as is, and that in and
of itself is a huge weight off my shoulders. And
so I really had to get back to the basic
truth of my faith and the basic principles of my faith.
(09:49):
And I had to spend time with people that didn't
need anything from me, that didn't want anything from me.
I just needed to be around people who loved me
for who I are already was, and not who I
was going to become or who everyone else thought I was.
And so I would say faith and family were the
two things that really grounded me.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
What did you do when you start going on this journey?
Also realized I get back in my faith my family.
But then you obviously pick up I guess rituals if
you will, for when those anxiety and panic attacks happened.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Those Yeah, so you know, later in my career, I
started going to therapy, and then I started as well
as getting a sports psychologist. Now again, I'm you know,
I paved my own way. I had a chip on
my shoulder, you know. So I had this like pride
and the people around me were like, hey, I really
(10:41):
think that therapists would be helpful for you. I really
think the sports psychologists would be helpul And I'm like, what, Like, dude,
I made it this far on my own. You think
I need to talk like there's nothing wrong with me,
Like I'm a world class athlete, you know, like it
is what the pride and the ego was saying. And
to me, I had to put that aside. You know,
(11:02):
I'm not going to lie and say I was open
from the beginning. I pushed it off for a couple
of years and then I tried once it didn't really work,
and then I put it off for a few more
years again. And so to me, or maybe a couple
more years, but to me, it was really understanding, Like
why wouldn't you want to get help from people who
(11:22):
literally do this day and day out and have years
and years decades of experience. It's nothing against you, like
you're still a great athlete, but like you know, you
say you want to get stronger, and what do you do?
You find a strength coach. You say you want to
get better at basketball, what do you do? You find
a skills coach. You want to be sharper mentally, or
you want to be able to handle these and be
equipped for these, you find a mental coach. And so
(11:43):
that's what I did. And so now you know, there's
a plethora of things I do, from subconscious questions to
visualizations to gratitude, words of affirmation. I do breath work,
like in the midst of like my biggest, my most
anxious moments, breathing. You know, I do a set in
second inhale, a seven second exhale you do through your nose.
(12:04):
You hold inhal inhale through my nose seven seconds and
a big excel through my mouth seven seconds and it's
a full belly body breath. And it just when I'm
focusing on my breath, I don't have time to focus
on what just happened that's making me anxious, or what
I'm thinking about in the future that is making me anxious,
a future result that is making me anxious. I'm just
(12:25):
focused on my breath, and that in and of itself
has been really helpful. I've done a bunch of different
types of breath work. I've done different types of a
bunch of different types of mental exercises from E. M,
D R and so on and so forth. But to me,
the slow breath has been really helpful for me. That's
what kind of landed and stuck with me.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
The breath work was so I didn't learn till about
three four years ago, which is a game change for me.
And then, you know, it's funny because you said it,
and I talked to teams about this all the time. Now,
you know, Look, you don't just run forties when you
think you're getting slower, you know lyft.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
When you think you get weed. You're doing it all
the time.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
But mental health, especially sports, is so reactive you don't
go see a therapist until the skyfalling. And by the way, hey,
and too many guys are afraid of going to a
therapist and they don't look at them my coaches.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I just look at my up. I got three on
speed dollar all the time. Dude, I'm not I'm on
I need I need a.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah. No, I mean it's the stigma, right, And I
think that's like, it's like, it's just call it a
mental coach. If you want to call it a mental coach,
you know, that's totally fine. Like my thing is like
and I would even suggest this, and I've said this
to my teammates. I've made strong pushes for everybody to
go see a sports psychologist, a leadership director, or some
type of therapist or somebody an expert. The reason being
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is you don't want to be the smartest in the room,
surround yourself with people who are smarter than you, and
like you could be the mentally like you could be
the most mentally strong person in your league. But like
if you're at operating at a ninety eight percent clip
and someone could help you get to ninety nine or
a hundreds, like why not, right, Like, wouldn't you want that,
(13:57):
Like if you told me from a basketball standpoint, like, oh,
you're already ninety fifth percentile, or you're already ninety eight
percent on this, but you could get to ninety seven,
Like I would never hesitate to go do that. And
that's the same with the mind, Like if someone can
take you a little bit higher, man, why not. You
don't have to be like all the way where it's
like the ground is falling out beneath you to be like, oh,
I need help.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
But we're also never at We're not always always at
ninety eight. Even guys who operatey eight. There's gonna be
fifty four days, it's gonna be thirty two days, and
be sixty five days. And you want to have the
person you know to be, you know, to be able
to turn into that person at any point.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I kind of, you know, I kind of going these
things also.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I have.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Once I came out with this, you know, my stuff
after a book a few years ago.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Then I realized, man, there was so much at my
fingertips I never knew, and.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
There was all right next to me, this whole lot.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
You know, the first time I ever opened up, I
went to social media and I was like, I know,
so listen, you don't need to have our level of
clinical anxiety or depression whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Like social media makes us all think our live suck
these days.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You don't share ourselves to everybody else's filtered highlight fraction
of a second of one day, and like, man, how
does it exist like that? We all feel so they feel,
but my part doesn't look like that, My food doesn't
look like that. Or Twitter, you get your ass kicked
one hundred times a minute. When I got my ass
kick growing up with the Jersey Shore grown up man,
it sucked for a month. Now it's happened one hundred
times a minute, you know. So I decided I'm going
(15:25):
to go to social media to say, listen, this is
the truth about me. If you understand it and you
feel it, put a comment below, because I want to
build my team up. That was hard five when I
press in and within one hundred and twenty seconds press
and said, Mercedes Lewis is going into his twenty three
in the NFL. I started training in a mixed martial
(15:47):
arts seventeen years ago. Hits me up and says, coach,
I knew you were crazy, and that's a Badge of
Honor in football fighting. But I didn't know you were
in pain. I'm sorry. I got you and has checked
up on me every week since. And I said about
Strayhan before. He was like, why have you never told me?
I said, dude, I was ashamed, Like we're so competitive.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You like my brother?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
He said, yeah, but you took away my chance to
be your best friend for thirty years by never saying
anything like wow, right, one of deepest thing that's ever
been said.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
How have your relationships changed now by opening up?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Have you noticed the difference of these relationships being deeper?
Do you look at it now, like, oh, man, I
wish I was able to open up earlier on fill
me in on your journey?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, where do I start? I mean I resonate with
so much of that now.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Cool Man was said that I was a that was different.
That was a game changing for me.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Man, That's that's like an epiphany moment right there. There
was one moment where after the end of my NBA career,
I didn't get to leave the NBA on my terms,
Like I just couldn't get a job anymore in the NBA,
And that was really hard for me and and I know,
I was really emotional about it, and so I actually,
you know, every year I gave this this talk around
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like what God has been teaching me this past year.
So that year I got up on stage and I knew.
I was like, if I get up in stage and
I really share truly what's in my heart and I'm vulnerable,
I'm gonna break down. I'm gonna break down in tears.
And I was like thinking, like should I do it?
Should not? Should I do it? Shin not, It's gonna
be really embarrassing. I was like, you know what, like
(17:25):
I've always prided myself on me and my brand being
as authentic as possible. So I said, I'm gonna do it.
Lo and behold, I start talking about my story, this
dream that's being crushed. Keep in mind first world problems.
I understand that, but it's my dream, right So absolutely yeah,
So it's my dream and it's how I feel about it.
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And so I'm I'm in tears. And the next thing
I know, within like twelve to twenty four hours, the
news cycle is I'm getting like made fun of, Like
it's a viral moment and I'm getting made fun of
where people are like, oh, oh, I feel so bad
for you made so much money, Like, oh, it must
be so hard, you know, it's like and that was
one side of it. But on the flip side, I
(18:08):
started to hear stories I got. I got a letter
from somebody who was like, dude, I was ready to
call it quits on life. Wow, And I heard and
I heard your talk and it saved me, like it
saved me, and it gave me. It let me, you know, restart.
I've heard people tell me like you know, And that's
the thing is, like everybody likes a success story, right,
(18:28):
like you love the success story of lind Sandy when
I was playing well. But what is actually the most
impactful for the people around you, as well as what
creates deep bonds is not that you're this this uh
this like high in the sky, petits up up on
a pedestal like superhero. It's that you fight the same
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human fights that the person next to you are fighting.
And we just happened to be really good at a sport.
But we are just as human as everybody else. And
and so in opening up and being vulnerable, yes, did
a large portion of people make fun of me and
not understand what I was trying to Yeah, and that
comes with it. But I will say that the people
that really it really resonated with, like to me, it
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made it so worth it. And to be able to
have somebody look me in the eye and be like, yo,
I respect you for your vulnerability. You know, this is
what you know. Thanks for sharing with what you're going through.
This is what I'm going through. To be able to
have that level of connection, Like like you said, game changer.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Game changer, I've got a lot of people, those people
who did talk shit originally since reach out saying I
get it, now get it. Thanks for tearing off the
bandit for all of us. Like, it's been pretty cool
what you're doing. I hope you're able to love yourself
up for what you're doing. It goes far beyond basketball.
To have one person say and you saved me, that's man,
(19:51):
that's incredible.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah. I mean I'll even say, like, you know, I
told my mom. When I first told my mom, you know,
she's she's a you know immigrant, you know, Asian, grew
up in Asian Asian background. And when I first told
my mom, I was like, hey, you know I told
my parents. I was over over lunch. I was like, Hey,
I'm going to therapy. I just want to let y'all
know I'm going to therapy. I found a therapist. My
mom immediately stops eating her food. She's like, what happened?
(20:16):
What's wrong? And I was like, I mean, nothing happened. Well,
I don't know a lot of things happened, like a
lot of things are wrong, but like there's no specific
like it's you know and so. But then she was
like what like and she had this like you're she's
she had this thing where she was like, you're not crazy.
You don't need that, right, Like that's her, that's her
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parental instinct. As I started to continue to talk about
therapy over time, a year goes by, two years go by,
I'm sharing how my therapist has been helping me change
in my perspective, helping me grow. My mom says to
me two years later, you know, Jeremy, like, I'm really
glad that therapy is working out really well for you. You know,
(21:01):
if I had a therapist, I feel like my life
would have turned out differently. I feel it, but like
I would have been able to like process things a
little bit better. And I was like, whoa like talk
about oh my god. Yeah, no, it was it was.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It was. It was.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
It was really cool. And she was like and she
kind of said like and I was like, oh, it's
not too late. She's like, well, you know, I'm already
at this age and it's you know, maybe it's not
it's not worth it. But if I had this resource
when I was when I was younger, like, it could
have changed my you know, could have changed my life.
And I was like, okay, mom, I respect that.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That's cool. I got I got, I know your short
on time. I got one question left for you. Give
me your That was a great story about that.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
That's fantastic, dude, talk about the old issue, right, like, moment,
give me your break of a moment.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I asked, all my guess this, give me the moment
that should have broken.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
You could have, but didn't, and as a result, you
came to the other side of that tunnel stronger forever.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
So I was signed in the c BA and I
went over and this is during peak COVID with the
most strict regulations, and so I went over. I got
COVID on the way over there, and when I landed,
we were doing a twenty one day hotel quarantine and
I tested positive for COVID. Long story short, I ended
(22:18):
up being quarantined for ninety straight days. Oh my god,
so ninety straight days in a tiny little room. And
I'll never forget after those three months. I'll never forget
the first time that the sun hit my skin again.
I was like, oh, that's what the sun feels like.
Like I'm telling you, But my mental health was at
(22:41):
such a low point, like just I was trapped. I
couldn't go anywhere. I lost twenty pounds because I couldn't
get enough food in my system. You couldn't order any
uber eats, or you couldn't order any you know, delivery
or anything.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Before you yourself too. So you're left right with those roommates,
those crazy roomates, talking a bunch of smack.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
And that was the moment when about two and a
half months into those into that three month quarantine, was
when I decided I'm going to therapy. I'm no longer
putting this off. I found my therapist. Then she really
helped me through a really rough stretch. It could have
should have broken me. I ended up getting out of quarantine,
(23:23):
but I had lost twenty pounds. I was trying to
get back in time. I went there to play a
basketball season. By the time that I had gotten out,
I was already so late into the season, I had
lost so much weight. And then I ended up having
the worst season of my career. I was getting again.
That whole year, I was getting destroyed on social media.
I was trending, going, going, I was on the trending
(23:46):
list for how bad I was playing, and I was
being made fun of by everybody who was tuning into
the CBA. And that was a moment where that whole
season could have really broken me. And you know, through therapy,
through again, faith, family just kept sticking with it, and uh,
you know, I've I've played a lot of really good
(24:07):
basketball since then. I've refound myself, rebuilt my body, rebuilt
my confidence and uh and now you know, I'm enjoying
my fifteenth year.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Jeremy Lynn, I appreciate it. Bro.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I was a big fan of Linz Hadley, way bigger
fan after Chalk talking to today, man.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I appreciate it. Thanks so much, and a lot of
a lot of respect for what you're doing as well.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Keep being a rock star, man, I appreciate you. Jeremy
Breakable podcast
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental Wealth podcast
Build you from the inside out.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental Wealth podcast with Jay Laser.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I'm Jay Laser, and I'm proud to be joined by Look.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm a lifelong Nick fan and I don't know if
he identifies as a Nick now Rocket or Brooklyn whatever
he is.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
He's in Taiwan right now playing Lynn Savay Jeremy Lyn.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
How you doing, brother, I'm doing well. Thanks for having me.
You know, I definitely identify with being a Nick. I
don't need to only have one identity, but I definitely
identify it with being a New York Nick. So no,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Well. You know, I don't know how it works because
you know, I obviously in the NFL, and it goes
both ways. Sometimes gods are like, hey, move on from
a team, they still got love. But sometimes they move
on from a team and they're like, man, screw that team,
I'll never.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Like them again.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah. I mean, for me, my career is so interesting
because I played nine years in the league on nine
different NBA teams, So honestly, like what I identify most with
is my most favorite teams or my most favorite experiences,
So New York is definitely on there for sure.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, obviously the Nicks are in the middle of a
huge series right now with the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
How close do you keep up with that?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I'm keeping up. I mean, I'm definitely following every game
and every box score. I don't a lot of times
I don't get a chance to watch because it's kind
of right in the middle with the time difference is
really hard. But like, for example, I was tuning in
to the twenty point comeback. Kat scores twenty in the
fourth and I'm in the middle of my lift, So
the fourth quarter is in the middle of my lift,
and I go straight to practice and then so as
(01:38):
much as whenever I get to tune in, I'll just
take a look at the box score, see what's happening
and things like that. But yeah, I'm definitely tuned in.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Very cool.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Look, you know, one of the reads, we'rebbing you onto
your superstar on the court Trooperstore off the Court. Also
because you've done a great job trying to destigmatize mental health,
and I want to hit that in a second here.
But I also, you know, I wrote a book called
them Breakable counter my Russian anxiety and a motivation you
can do. But part of it was I've gone from
broke to unbreakable. I know, both sides of it. I mean,
(02:06):
your story is unbelievable about you know, sleep on couches
when all of a sudden, Lindsay took over. Just give
our our listeners a you know, kind of a little
summary of that of both sides.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, I mean I grew up you know, Asian in
the Asian American in the US playing basketball main name.
Literally for the first twenty one years of my life,
I was always an underdog, constantly being laughed at, couldn't
even get chosen to get onto teams, like no one
had any expectations for me. All of a sudden, I
signed into the NBA, and I have like millions of
(02:37):
people aware of who I am and having expectations now,
you know, people who have not seen me ever play before,
like you know, even in Asia, like oh did you
see that? Like an Asian kid signed with the Golden
State Warriors, like Jeremy Lynn, let's follow and like, oh
my god, Asian pride, so you know, being able to
handle like no expectations my whole life to all of
a sudden, like I was like championinge this cause, or
(03:01):
I was like a poster boy for I was supposed
to represent for everybody that really affected me, and I
didn't know how to handle it. And then you know,
a year later in insanity happens. And so I thought
it was already hard when I was like a kind
of a relatively unknown rookie in Golden State, and all
of a sudden, You're literally the number one most googled
person on the planet in that year in twenty twelve,
(03:23):
and that took me to another level of you want
to talk about pressure, anxiety, fear, imposter syndrome, like you
name it, Like, yeah, that was what happened. I went
on to have a nine year NBA career, my last
year was able to win an NBA championship, first Asian
American to win an NBA championship. And now I'm in
year fifteen, still playing in Type I play for the
(03:45):
new Type A Kings right now and so still able
to enjoy the game of basketball. But that's kind of
a really quick synopsis of my story.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
It's interesting you said that because my first eleven years
of my career trying to be an NFL inside, which
the position didn't exist back it is, before the Internet
came out. But you know, I was making nine four
hundred and fifty bucks a year, broken, but living in
New York City, you know, having to get rides everywhere
back and forth from giants. Dandy and Michael Strahan had
a drive me back to New York City every single
(04:15):
day for the first seven years of my career.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So I'm like twenty eight grant and lincol Tunnel Fair.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
That's a different thing, but it was, you know, but
then all of a sudden you make it, and you know,
I tell people like, hey, it turned out my wallet
wasn't an antidepressant.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I thought like, man, there's gonna be rainbows and unicorns.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I got fame, but I got fortunate and man, and
I've tried to explain to people it comes with a
whole different sitting problems. And I don't you know, when
I was broken struggle, but man, you didn't have all
these other problems. And people are usually like shut the
fuck up, Gladier, like you have money. I don't want
to hear it. People don't understand it's there. There's pitfalls
to both of them, but especially you, which all of
(04:52):
a sudden it's bestowed on you. Hey, you are an
analysts in this Asian messia where you're gonna represent everybody.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It didn't happen yesterday, but now that's New York today. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
No, I mean, you know, my and I told a story.
I told a story many times. But just like even
when I graduated from Harvard, like I was preparing to
enter the NBA draft, and you know, my parents were
so far in debt. They took every last mortgage, every
last loan. IVY leagues don't give athletic scholarships. So I
was at Harvard every day, I was eating Subway sandwiches
(05:23):
because at that time they had the five dollars foot
long and I was just trying to save as much money.
You know, I couldn't even afford textbooks when I was
in college. I was just you know, borrowing them from
friends or going to the library or whatever. And so
my mom was like, hey, like, if you want to,
you know, do professional sports, you have to eat until
you're full. And so she actually took whatever was left
in her four on one k and gave it to
(05:44):
me to be able to and she gave me two
years to chase my NBA dream. I was able to
sign in the NBA, and like you said, it was
like I understood that financial pressure and then all of
a sudden, overnight, it seems like I have everything avail.
All of a sudden, I was getting deals like, hey,
come down, sign a few autographs, will give you a
(06:04):
free BMW or hey, stay at this penthouse New York
apartment for free for the rest of the season. Like
you know, normally ten twelve k per month in rent
and we'll give it to you for free. Just stay here.
We want the publicity like and so, like you know,
I totally understand this, the thought process of like I've
been grinding, you know, I couldn't even eat till I
was full. I couldn't afford a textbook, and all of
(06:26):
a sudden, it's like, man, it's all at your feet.
And I would say that through it all I had
to learn like who am I? And I would say, like,
the biggest thing I had to figure out was who
am I without all of this stuff? Because you know,
you watch shows or movies or music or whatever, and
you think that when that stuff comes, like you said,
(06:48):
it's like rainbows like rosen rainbow and you're happy forever
all day, every day. That's not at all the case.
I'm not downplaying. I'm not saying that like, oh, signing
those contracts wasn't helpful me. It was great. It was
allowed me to repay the day is I'll be taking
care of my family, allowed me to pay back my
student loans, and I'm so glad, But it isn't. It
doesn't make my life good forever and solve everything. And
(07:10):
so I had to go through a really a multi
year process of figuring out who am I outside of
my fame, my work, my success, my wealth. Who am
I at its core as a person? And that was
that was a journey totally resonates to me.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I am probably about six or seven years ago.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Six years ago, I'm on foxing the Bell Sunday and
I'm talking to everyone home and at the second segment,
I'll never forget.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I think I'm a year four of doing ballers.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I'm the most prolific insider in America.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I have, you know, host of the UFC. And as
I'm talking.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
To America giving my report, the roommates in my head
start saying, what is going on? Why are we still
so sad? What I thought, Like I said, I thought
would get here to be rainbows and unicorns, it's not.
And that's when I really started going on my journey
to figure out how to get these roommates to play
along nicely with each other.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
What did you do to go on your journey?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, So there's a very vivid moment. It was about
three to four weeks into insanity and by now it like,
by now, insanity's at its peak peak and I'm playing
I'm taking I'm in Chicago, We're about to play the
Chicago Bulls when they had MVP Derrick Rose, and I'm
sitting in my hotel room and I'm like, all right,
(08:29):
I didn't take my pregame nap, get ready for the game.
I take the nap. I immediately wake up, like within
thirty minutes supposed to be you know, on and one
and a half to three hour nap. I wake up
and I'm just cold, sweating, panic like almost just like
panic anxiety.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Just if you're having a heart attack. I get it.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah, And in that moment, I remember thinking so vividly.
I thought to myself, and if insanity is not enough,
then what is right, the nothing this world can give
me is enough. If literally above and beyond my wildest
dreams is not enough for me, then what is enough?
(09:06):
And I remember that empty feeling, and the reason why
so vivid is because it was so piercing. Was that empty,
hollow feeling. And so that's when I really had to
strip away the distractions, peel away the onion, the layers
of the onion that like all the fluff on the outside,
and I got back to my faith, and I had
to really lock into my faith and just remind myself
like Jesus loves me for who I am, regardless if
(09:29):
I score another point, win another game, regardless if I'm
insanity or I'm just jere me. Like I am already
fully loved and approved as is, and that in and
of itself is a huge weight off my shoulders. And
so I really had to get back to the basic
truth of my faith and the basic principles of my faith.
(09:49):
And I had to spend time with people that didn't
need anything from me, that didn't want anything from me.
I just needed to be around people who loved me
for who I are already was, and not who I
was going to become or who everyone else thought I was.
And so I would say faith and family were the
two things that really grounded me.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
What did you do when you start going on this journey?
Also realized I get back in my faith my family.
But then you obviously pick up I guess rituals if
you will, for when those anxiety and panic attacks happened.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Those Yeah, so you know, later in my career, I
started going to therapy, and then I started as well
as getting a sports psychologist. Now again, I'm you know,
I paved my own way. I had a chip on
my shoulder, you know. So I had this like pride
and the people around me were like, hey, I really
(10:41):
think that therapists would be helpful for you. I really
think the sports psychologists would be helpul And I'm like, what, Like, dude,
I made it this far on my own. You think
I need to talk like there's nothing wrong with me,
Like I'm a world class athlete, you know, like it
is what the pride and the ego was saying. And
to me, I had to put that aside. You know,
(11:02):
I'm not going to lie and say I was open
from the beginning. I pushed it off for a couple
of years and then I tried once it didn't really work,
and then I put it off for a few more
years again. And so to me, or maybe a couple
more years, but to me, it was really understanding, Like
why wouldn't you want to get help from people who
(11:22):
literally do this day and day out and have years
and years decades of experience. It's nothing against you, like
you're still a great athlete, but like you know, you
say you want to get stronger, and what do you do?
You find a strength coach. You say you want to
get better at basketball, what do you do? You find
a skills coach. You want to be sharper mentally, or
you want to be able to handle these and be
equipped for these, you find a mental coach. And so
(11:43):
that's what I did. And so now you know, there's
a plethora of things I do, from subconscious questions to
visualizations to gratitude, words of affirmation. I do breath work,
like in the midst of like my biggest, my most
anxious moments, breathing. You know, I do a set in
second inhale, a seven second exhale you do through your nose.
(12:04):
You hold inhal inhale through my nose seven seconds and
a big excel through my mouth seven seconds and it's
a full belly body breath. And it just when I'm
focusing on my breath, I don't have time to focus
on what just happened that's making me anxious, or what
I'm thinking about in the future that is making me anxious,
a future result that is making me anxious. I'm just
(12:25):
focused on my breath, and that in and of itself
has been really helpful. I've done a bunch of different
types of breath work. I've done different types of a
bunch of different types of mental exercises from E. M,
D R and so on and so forth. But to me,
the slow breath has been really helpful for me. That's
what kind of landed and stuck with me.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
The breath work was so I didn't learn till about
three four years ago, which is a game change for me.
And then, you know, it's funny because you said it,
and I talked to teams about this all the time. Now,
you know, Look, you don't just run forties when you
think you're getting slower, you know lyft.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
When you think you get weed. You're doing it all
the time.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
But mental health, especially sports, is so reactive you don't
go see a therapist until the skyfalling. And by the way, hey,
and too many guys are afraid of going to a
therapist and they don't look at them my coaches.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I just look at my up. I got three on
speed dollar all the time. Dude, I'm not I'm on
I need I need a.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah. No, I mean it's the stigma, right, And I
think that's like, it's like, it's just call it a
mental coach. If you want to call it a mental coach,
you know, that's totally fine. Like my thing is like
and I would even suggest this, and I've said this
to my teammates. I've made strong pushes for everybody to
go see a sports psychologist, a leadership director, or some
type of therapist or somebody an expert. The reason being
(13:36):
is you don't want to be the smartest in the room,
surround yourself with people who are smarter than you, and
like you could be the mentally like you could be
the most mentally strong person in your league. But like
if you're at operating at a ninety eight percent clip
and someone could help you get to ninety nine or
a hundreds, like why not, right, Like, wouldn't you want that,
(13:57):
Like if you told me from a basketball standpoint, like, oh,
you're already ninety fifth percentile, or you're already ninety eight
percent on this, but you could get to ninety seven,
Like I would never hesitate to go do that. And
that's the same with the mind, Like if someone can
take you a little bit higher, man, why not. You
don't have to be like all the way where it's
like the ground is falling out beneath you to be like, oh,
I need help.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
But we're also never at We're not always always at
ninety eight. Even guys who operatey eight. There's gonna be
fifty four days, it's gonna be thirty two days, and
be sixty five days. And you want to have the
person you know to be, you know, to be able
to turn into that person at any point.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I kind of, you know, I kind of going these
things also.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I have.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Once I came out with this, you know, my stuff
after a book a few years ago.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Then I realized, man, there was so much at my
fingertips I never knew, and.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
There was all right next to me, this whole lot.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
You know, the first time I ever opened up, I
went to social media and I was like, I know,
so listen, you don't need to have our level of
clinical anxiety or depression whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Like social media makes us all think our live suck
these days.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You don't share ourselves to everybody else's filtered highlight fraction
of a second of one day, and like, man, how
does it exist like that? We all feel so they feel,
but my part doesn't look like that, My food doesn't
look like that. Or Twitter, you get your ass kicked
one hundred times a minute. When I got my ass
kick growing up with the Jersey Shore grown up man,
it sucked for a month. Now it's happened one hundred
times a minute, you know. So I decided I'm going
(15:25):
to go to social media to say, listen, this is
the truth about me. If you understand it and you
feel it, put a comment below, because I want to
build my team up. That was hard five when I
press in and within one hundred and twenty seconds press
and said, Mercedes Lewis is going into his twenty three
in the NFL. I started training in a mixed martial
(15:47):
arts seventeen years ago. Hits me up and says, coach,
I knew you were crazy, and that's a Badge of
Honor in football fighting. But I didn't know you were
in pain. I'm sorry. I got you and has checked
up on me every week since. And I said about
Strayhan before. He was like, why have you never told me?
I said, dude, I was ashamed, Like we're so competitive.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You like my brother?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
He said, yeah, but you took away my chance to
be your best friend for thirty years by never saying
anything like wow, right, one of deepest thing that's ever
been said.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
How have your relationships changed now by opening up?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Have you noticed the difference of these relationships being deeper?
Do you look at it now, like, oh, man, I
wish I was able to open up earlier on fill
me in on your journey?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, where do I start? I mean I resonate with
so much of that now.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Cool Man was said that I was a that was different.
That was a game changing for me.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Man, That's that's like an epiphany moment right there. There
was one moment where after the end of my NBA career,
I didn't get to leave the NBA on my terms,
Like I just couldn't get a job anymore in the NBA,
And that was really hard for me and and I know,
I was really emotional about it, and so I actually,
you know, every year I gave this this talk around
(17:05):
like what God has been teaching me this past year.
So that year I got up on stage and I knew.
I was like, if I get up in stage and
I really share truly what's in my heart and I'm vulnerable,
I'm gonna break down. I'm gonna break down in tears.
And I was like thinking, like should I do it?
Should not? Should I do it? Shin not, It's gonna
be really embarrassing. I was like, you know what, like
(17:25):
I've always prided myself on me and my brand being
as authentic as possible. So I said, I'm gonna do it.
Lo and behold, I start talking about my story, this
dream that's being crushed. Keep in mind first world problems.
I understand that, but it's my dream, right So absolutely yeah,
So it's my dream and it's how I feel about it.
(17:45):
And so I'm I'm in tears. And the next thing
I know, within like twelve to twenty four hours, the
news cycle is I'm getting like made fun of, Like
it's a viral moment and I'm getting made fun of
where people are like, oh, oh, I feel so bad
for you made so much money, Like, oh, it must
be so hard, you know, it's like and that was
one side of it. But on the flip side, I
(18:08):
started to hear stories I got. I got a letter
from somebody who was like, dude, I was ready to
call it quits on life. Wow, And I heard and
I heard your talk and it saved me, like it
saved me, and it gave me. It let me, you know, restart.
I've heard people tell me like you know, And that's
the thing is, like everybody likes a success story, right,
(18:28):
like you love the success story of lind Sandy when
I was playing well. But what is actually the most
impactful for the people around you, as well as what
creates deep bonds is not that you're this this uh
this like high in the sky, petits up up on
a pedestal like superhero. It's that you fight the same
(18:49):
human fights that the person next to you are fighting.
And we just happened to be really good at a sport.
But we are just as human as everybody else. And
and so in opening up and being vulnerable, yes, did
a large portion of people make fun of me and
not understand what I was trying to Yeah, and that
comes with it. But I will say that the people
that really it really resonated with, like to me, it
(19:11):
made it so worth it. And to be able to
have somebody look me in the eye and be like, yo,
I respect you for your vulnerability. You know, this is
what you know. Thanks for sharing with what you're going through.
This is what I'm going through. To be able to
have that level of connection, Like like you said, game changer.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Game changer, I've got a lot of people, those people
who did talk shit originally since reach out saying I
get it, now get it. Thanks for tearing off the
bandit for all of us. Like, it's been pretty cool
what you're doing. I hope you're able to love yourself
up for what you're doing. It goes far beyond basketball.
To have one person say and you saved me, that's man,
(19:51):
that's incredible.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah. I mean I'll even say, like, you know, I
told my mom. When I first told my mom, you know,
she's she's a you know immigrant, you know, Asian, grew
up in Asian Asian background. And when I first told
my mom, I was like, hey, you know I told
my parents. I was over over lunch. I was like, Hey,
I'm going to therapy. I just want to let y'all
know I'm going to therapy. I found a therapist. My
mom immediately stops eating her food. She's like, what happened?
(20:16):
What's wrong? And I was like, I mean, nothing happened. Well,
I don't know a lot of things happened, like a
lot of things are wrong, but like there's no specific
like it's you know and so. But then she was
like what like and she had this like you're she's
she had this thing where she was like, you're not crazy.
You don't need that, right, Like that's her, that's her
(20:39):
parental instinct. As I started to continue to talk about
therapy over time, a year goes by, two years go by,
I'm sharing how my therapist has been helping me change
in my perspective, helping me grow. My mom says to
me two years later, you know, Jeremy, like, I'm really
glad that therapy is working out really well for you. You know,
(21:01):
if I had a therapist, I feel like my life
would have turned out differently. I feel it, but like
I would have been able to like process things a
little bit better. And I was like, whoa like talk
about oh my god. Yeah, no, it was it was.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It was. It was.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
It was really cool. And she was like and she
kind of said like and I was like, oh, it's
not too late. She's like, well, you know, I'm already
at this age and it's you know, maybe it's not
it's not worth it. But if I had this resource
when I was when I was younger, like, it could
have changed my you know, could have changed my life.
And I was like, okay, mom, I respect that.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That's cool. I got I got, I know your short
on time. I got one question left for you. Give
me your That was a great story about that.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
That's fantastic, dude, talk about the old issue, right, like, moment,
give me your break of a moment.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I asked, all my guess this, give me the moment
that should have broken.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
You could have, but didn't, and as a result, you
came to the other side of that tunnel stronger forever.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
So I was signed in the c BA and I
went over and this is during peak COVID with the
most strict regulations, and so I went over. I got
COVID on the way over there, and when I landed,
we were doing a twenty one day hotel quarantine and
I tested positive for COVID. Long story short, I ended
(22:18):
up being quarantined for ninety straight days. Oh my god,
so ninety straight days in a tiny little room. And
I'll never forget after those three months. I'll never forget
the first time that the sun hit my skin again.
I was like, oh, that's what the sun feels like.
Like I'm telling you, But my mental health was at
(22:41):
such a low point, like just I was trapped. I
couldn't go anywhere. I lost twenty pounds because I couldn't
get enough food in my system. You couldn't order any
uber eats, or you couldn't order any you know, delivery
or anything.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Before you yourself too. So you're left right with those roommates,
those crazy roomates, talking a bunch of smack.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
And that was the moment when about two and a
half months into those into that three month quarantine, was
when I decided I'm going to therapy. I'm no longer
putting this off. I found my therapist. Then she really
helped me through a really rough stretch. It could have
should have broken me. I ended up getting out of quarantine,
(23:23):
but I had lost twenty pounds. I was trying to
get back in time. I went there to play a
basketball season. By the time that I had gotten out,
I was already so late into the season, I had
lost so much weight. And then I ended up having
the worst season of my career. I was getting again.
That whole year, I was getting destroyed on social media.
I was trending, going, going, I was on the trending
(23:46):
list for how bad I was playing, and I was
being made fun of by everybody who was tuning into
the CBA. And that was a moment where that whole
season could have really broken me. And you know, through therapy,
through again, faith, family just kept sticking with it, and uh,
you know, I've I've played a lot of really good
(24:07):
basketball since then. I've refound myself, rebuilt my body, rebuilt
my confidence and uh and now you know, I'm enjoying
my fifteenth year.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Jeremy Lynn, I appreciate it. Bro.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I was a big fan of Linz Hadley, way bigger
fan after Chalk talking to today, man.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I appreciate it. Thanks so much, and a lot of
a lot of respect for what you're doing as well.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Keep being a rock star, man, I appreciate you. Jeremy
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