Voters Have Ruined the Baseball Hall of Fame

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want to keep it locked in, as Chris says, and
I will say this, I just want to, you know,
start real quick, Chris about this. You pay attention to
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You might think we're off center or you know what
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make it informative. That's all I'm saying, educated opinions. We've
been in the sports for thirty thirty plus year. We'll
always laugh about one hundred and twenty years combined, but
we have. And I just say this because but I
never but you know what i mean, right, Do you
know what I'm saying. I'm serious. And it's actually my
thirtieth year this mark being a sports writer, right, and

(03:18):
it's thirty four for me, right, And that's what I'm
just saying. It's really, uh think did something trigger this?
I've been I've been thinking about it as we move
forward with the show, and I think a lot of people,
you know, y'all listen to radio, like you do, you
know what I mean, and listen to stuff, and I
just think there's a lot of people out there uninformed

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who are on the radio. That's all I'm just saying.
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the program. It's good to have Steve Sager, especially with
the Hall of Fame vote. Right. He's a big baseball guy.
He knows baseball in and out. And we have a
new intern, Ryan from Quinnipiac University up there in Hamden, Connecticut,
next to my school, southern Connecticut, and don't call it farm.
Was just about to say something. I know you're gonna

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say that, all right, So there we go. They're all
on the other side of the glass. Come on, Chris
Bousalt on this trash talking Tuesday. Let's kick some ass
right in the trash talking Tuesday and the DJ Alex
Tysher Tuesday. So digging the crates, Alex, I want some fresh,
some new stuff. Okay, good, good, all right. Speaking of
new stuff, there are a couple of new Baseball Hall

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of Famers, yes, and one bad one. Okay, I'm you're
in official voters. I'm gonna let you have the floor.
But Derek Jeter and Larry Walker elected to the Baseball
Hall of Fame. I'm just gonna say this before you
go no, no good, go ahead? But what do you
think of the two? I mean, where are you on
the Jeter? Yeah? My is Jeter? Again? This is my

(05:03):
problem robe with the baseball voters. And you know again
we just talked about our you know, skin in the game.
How long we've been covering you know, sports as reporters.
And I covered some pro baseball too before I got
into the NBA. And I respect for all these guys,
but I don't know, man, Sometimes you just gotta think

(05:24):
some writers and I don't know who they are because
one didn't vote for Derek Jeter? Do they think too
highly of themselves? Are you putting yourself in the story?
How do you not vote for Derek Jeter? And I
know we can say it about two hundred guys. How
did you not vote? How'd somebody not vote for Hankers?
Some might not vote for Babe Ruth, somebody not vote

(05:45):
for Mickey Man, Like, I mean, nobody's been unanimous except
for last year. Yeah, and I look, I love mar
Anna Rivera, but I don't think if none of these
guys are unanimous, he shouldn't have been the first unit animals,
but all of them should be unanimous. There are certain
guys that we know all should be unanimous, and that's

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my thing because I think it it takes a little
bit away from it because we like, again, how did
somebody not vote for Derek g What I'm gonna say, Chris?
And I'm just guessing because people are hitting me up
knowing I'm a BBWAA member, Chris. You know this is
my prize possession. I love the idea that I have

(06:28):
a Hall of Fame vote. Chris. Is about four hundred
and eighty people in this entire country of three hundred
and thirty million who get to vote for the Baseball
Hall of Fame. There's less than twenty African Americans, Chris
that have a vote for the Baseball Hall of Fame.
So it's close to my heart. I take it seriously.

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I really really do, because I think it's an honor
and a privilege to vote for the Baseball Hall of Fame.
And when you see people like not he's serious about it,
and I'm gonna get I think maybe maybe they're too serious.
You know again, why who are you to say Derek
Jeter doesn't belong you? Just I'm not gonna vote for

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it because you know what, I think it is. I'll
say right now, I bet you it's a blank ballot
because they don't want to be held like uh, like, well,
it's not that I didn't vote for ja. I didn't
vote for anybody, Like do you think that, like that's
how yep, because otherwise you'd have to justify how did
you vote for Jed? He's got over three thousand hits,
he was a Yankee captain, he won five World Series,

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he was Rookie of the Year. You know that signature
play against Oakland in the playoffs where ran across the
field Chris and flipped the ball. He hit the first
hole running the World Series in November. You remember that
hit a homer, right. I Mean, it's just I could
go on and on and on, but I'm thinking maybe
somebody did that a protest vote, or I'm not voting

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because of this, or there's too many steroid guys on
or because Pete Rose isn't there's some sort of protests.
Because I can't believe that if you looked at his career,
that you didn't vote for him. I don't believe it.
You've been you covered baseball for many years. Again, obviously
you're a voter. I'm sure you've talked to guys, to

(08:14):
a lot of the writers that vote. What is the explanation,
What is the explanation that they say for not voting
for certain I think it's because of the other guys
the immortal past, in the past didn't go win. There
was always that thing that if, like you just said,
if Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Willie made who didn't vote

(08:36):
for Willie made me? It's Hank Aaron average one hundred
RBIs a year, Chris for twenty three years. How in
the world that could somebody sit at a piece of
paper and not check his name. How is that possible?
I feel like, Rob, if you're a voter and I,
you know, I vote for certain things. I vote for
all the NBA awards. I just turned in my All

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Star ballot for the NBA All Star Game, and and
I take it seriously. And I feel like, if you're
going to sit down and not vote for Derek Jeter
or not vote for you know, some other obvious Hall
of Famer, then I don't know that you should be voting,
you know, because you're not. You're not You're violating the

(09:18):
spirit of the honor that you have as a guy
to vote. It'd be like if I sat down to
vote for you know, the all NBA team and left, yeah,
left left Lebron James offer with it, like, how do
you I'm violating the spirit of the award of the accolations,
So how do you It would be different if it's

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a tweener, like you're not sure, like you know what
I mean? Guy like that were like, I just Larry Walkers,
I mean, and here's my other Okay, because Jeter got
one pertion didn't vote for him, You got n is
the closest any see before you go to Walker because
I know you want to get there. I thought Mariano's

(10:01):
being unanimous would change the whole thing, and that Jeter
would be unanimous, and we'd see other guys that you
know that now they were going to be okay to
do it. Now. Anybody that's educated is not going to think, oh,
Derek Jeter is better than Babe Ruth because he was unanimous. Right,
We'll understand that's how they did it back then. But now,

(10:22):
you know, do come right, come to their senses or
whatever you want to call it. And so I thought
that Rivera everything would change with it, and it didn't.
It was close. Maybe that's a sign. And maybe when
we find out that maybe it was a blank ballot,
we don't know. Will that writer come forward. They don't
have to. By by law of the thing, you don't

(10:43):
have to be public your vote. I made mine. When
you when you fill out your ballot, it says do
you want your vote to be public or not? So
they can go through the list and and list everybody
if you wanted to. Some people don't have to, and
I get it, it's their vote. But I'm with you.
He's not a tweener. He's he's he has He's tied

(11:04):
Chris for the fourth most hits in baseball history. Fourth.
There's the game around one hundred and fifty years you
got the fourth tied for the fourth most hits ever. Okay,
he's got the individual numbers, he's he got the championships,
he was clutched, he played in New York Like, no,

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there's no way. He's not a unanimous Hall of Fame. Absolutely.
Now here's the Larry Walker think And where were you
on Larry Walker? Just just his knowing his Did you
think he's like a queen? Did I think he benefited
from the years in Colorado. But hey, it's a it's
an mL ballpark, so it is what it is. He

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did hit above three hundred for his career. Now I
didn't get near to five hundred homers. He didn't have that.
So I just the one thing is guys that are
when you go in on the last vote, because this
was his last year being eligible, that makes you wonderast
over nine times that I look again, a guy that

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hit three thirteen for his career, he wasn't MVP one year.
I can't. I can't. I can't knock it out. I
think Hall of Famer and I think Larry Walker. Not
necessarily okay, but some of the numbers are there. Here
we go. This is exactly my problem with my brothren
at the BBWAA Baseball Writers Association of America. How can

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you not vote a guy Chris for nine years? Did
his number last year? You know what this percentage was
last year? Fifty five percent. That's a heck of a jump. Okay,
like sympathy seventy six, So he jumped twenty one percent.
It might be the biggest jump ever for a last
It wasn't like it was seventy last year. Chris and
it went to seventy five, which is what you need.

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It was fifty five. Even Larry Walker tweeted earlier today
he didn't think he was gonna get in because of
the close from right right and what numbers change. This
is what I don't understand, Chris. Either you're a Hall
of Famer or you're not. I don't believe in this. Well,
I didn't vote for him the first year. I didn't

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vote for him a second year. I don't vote for
the Oh wait a minute, this is his last year. Well,
let me take another look. No, that makes no sense
that you can vote for, not vote for somebody for
all those years and then all of a sudden vote
for him. Now, this is what I do. If I
vote for you, Chris my first year, your first year
on the ballot, I vote for you your entire time

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you're on the ballot. If I do not vote for
you your first year, I never vote for you. Do
you see what I'm saying. I'm given I've given it
a good look. And if I really don't believe that
you're a Hall of Famer, nothing's gonna change my mind
because I don't really look. No limit, right, Is there
a limit to how many guys you can put in? Yeah,
you got you have ten votes, so no, but I

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mean how many guys can get in in a given year? No, okay,
because because if there was a limit, I would get
having ten years. But you know, why not, maybe you
cut into five years. You're on the ballot for five
you know. Roger and I talked about this before the
show and I and I'm with them. I'm even good

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Chris on one year eligibility but limitless. So what I'm
saying is not just ten votes. If there are twelve
guys on there who all are worthy and I want
to vote for them, I could vote for him, but
only one year on the ballot, so that you don't
have gods because either you are or you are. I
always say this, And there are no guys that are

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no sympathy votes in your last year. We saw it
last year. Who was a guy who got in? Um
last year? Rob g looked that up. I just forgot
his name. Bagwell, uh no, he was like year eight. There, oh,
Edgar Martinez. Nine years. They didn't vote for Edgar Martinez.
Last year in ten, Chris, he got in. This is

(15:01):
a pattern. This is bad by the Baseball you ideal
like the Hall of Fame is being watered down. It's
been compromised right after the ten years, then you've got
the Veterans Committee, and then and then they let it
all the Harold Bains and Alan Trammel and Jack Morris,
those guys wanted the ballot because fifteen years and they

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didn't get in, and then they get into the Veterans Committee.
So the Hall of Famer is being watered out and
even worse. No Bonds, no Clemmings. Those are two of
the greatest players we saw playbass that thing. Obviously we
know why they're not in. But neither of those guys
ever tested positive. They didn't. That's the thing now. Obviously,

(15:43):
look do I think they did stuff? Yet? I agree
because circrifice a job though, But however they did not.
There are other guys there were rumors about and they
got in right. Pudge Ward wigg has got it. Were
rumors about Piazza, he got it right. So, yeah, Pudge,
there was a lot of talk about him. Canseco rolled
about him in the book. Yeah, so we'll see eight seven,

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seven ninety nine on five seven nine nine, six sixty
three sixty niner have the Hall of Fame writers been compromised.
Should Jeter have been unanimous? And should Larry Walker even
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We threw it out to you. How do you feel
about the Baseball Hall of Fame? And uh, some of
the strange, strange voting habits of those that cast their
ballots eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox and start

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with j D in Columbus, Ohio. J D, I see
what you're gonna say. You sure think about before you
say speak, but go ahead. Hey guys, Uh, it's good
to talk to you, man, it's been a while I
called in, but you know what, I'm trying to explain
my president on the fact that there Jeter is overrated.

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Let's look at the Hall of Fame as a standard.
We have to set a president, the voters have to
set a president that this is the standard. This is
how you get into the Hall of Fame. Making everybody
unanimous doesn't get anybody anywhere except for the fact that okay,
the acceptance speech award now and how everybody gets to
the Hall of Fame. Everybody to do what my guys

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haven't been unanimous. They're trying to set a high standard.
You're telling me Jeter was not a unanimous home and
we're not saying he's a top five or ten player
of all times. And you're saying he's Overrady has a
fourth most hitch in the history of baseball. How could
he be overrated? How are you overrated? Okay, so if
you look at defensive statistics, stop stop, I'm gonna stop. Stop.

(18:14):
He was guys that Saint Kobe Bryant. Stop, wasn't that
good stopping? I mean, Kobe, we can talk about stop
j D J D stop analytics cry and you know
he's overrated. Stop it. I mean, I'm a Chris. It's fine.
He doesn't have to be the greatest short stop. Not
saying Balsmore going to pass Derek Jeter going through his legs.

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So stop it. He made it, stop him from winning
how many World Series five? Right? Stop it. Stephen New
Orleans pre ten career hitter, as you said, with almost
thirty five hundred hits. Come on, Stephen New Orlean joined
the Odd Couple of Fox Sports Radio. All right, first
of all, I'm a long time listener, first time call.
I think you all have a great show. Thank you, Steve.

(18:57):
Even though I'm in New Orleans, but I was born
and raised in New York. So obviously I believe that
Jeter should have been unanimous. But I'll give you some
reasons why I think he wasn't. It was only one
voter's life. It wasn't like they were a host of
guys that saw something that was just, oh, he wasn't
that good. Defensively, if you if you look at the voting,

(19:20):
there was one voter who voted for a guy by
the name of J. J. Putts Putz. Now, anybody that
voted for J. J. Putts was obviously doing it for
a reason, and I will bet you that that's the
guy that did not vote for Derek Jeter. Addition, I'm

(19:41):
not I'm not sure that, Steve. I know you're making
a leap, but I'm gonna tell you. I believe that
the Jeter ballot was blank. I do not believe any
whiter voted for J. J. Putts and not Derek Jeter.
I do not weld. But here's the thing. You bring
up a good point to how in the world is
I might vote for JJ. I don't know, because it's dumb.

(20:02):
You should lose you another reason, there's another reason if
you were cool. When Derek Jeter took over the CEO
of the Miami MINS, one of the first things he
did was to fire Tony Perez and Andre Dawson, and
he didn't do it personally. Yeah, I would not be

(20:23):
surprised if somebody from some writer from Cincinnati or Chicago
didn't vote for Jetter because of that. Yeah, I'm not
so sure. Think that he might have a point if
there were a group of writers, you know, if it
was more that one guy, right, I think it's JJ
Putts point was No, that's what the secret is because yeah,

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you vote for J. J. Putts, so maybe you didn't
vote for Jeter just out of craziness. Let's go to
rick and Fort Lauderdale. You on with the eye couple.
What's up, fellow, How you doing good? How are you?
Let me give you guys the heads up in the
fifth season going down to the forty, so you might
want to bring a little jacket to South Florida. Wait
a minute, next week, I know, what are you talking

(21:07):
about Ricky killing me? Well, I'm actually today all right, Rob?
Do you know I'm I'm a huge baseball fan. You
know I'm a Yankee fan. Yeah. As happy as I
was for your fellow writers last year when they finally
got it right and got Mariano, I'm outraged that guy
should have his voting privillages. We voked. I don't have

(21:27):
a problem with Larry Walker, but Rob business the problem
that I had if I were a voter. You and
I only a year apart. I'm fifty six. I know
you're double nickel. I just turned fifty six, so we're
the same. Go ahead, Okay, Well I'll be fifty seven
in November. The way I would vote is if I
saw you played, and I considered you one of the
greatest players at your position, regardless of the era. That's

(21:48):
what I consider a Hall of Famer And the only
problem I have And again I think blurry walk up belong?
But Rob, are you gonna tell me? And he's no
longer even on the ballot, which that makes me even
more upset? Are you gonna tell me? When you watch faceball?
Was it one of the greatest center fielders of all time?
He was? But but but he was one of the
greatest center fielders. But it's a bigger package than that.

(22:09):
Guys don't get in just for that. Look at the
World Series home runs? No, look at it? I got it. No,
I don't know if he Rick, I get it. Jim
Edmonds was a hell of a son of field of Chris.
He was. He didn't have a long enough Yeah, but
not a long enough to combine everything? All right? Is
the upcoming Super Bowl a bigger redemption story for Andy

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Reid or Kyle Shanahan. NFL network analysts Charlie Cassily has
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(22:54):
Charlie Castilely. Charlie, how you doing, man? Hey? Great? How
you doing? We're doing? Hey, Charlie, were you the guy
who didn't vote for Jeter? We're trying to figure out
the guy who didn't vote for Jeter. Well, he's the
same guy who didn't vote for Ted Williams. One right, right, crazy,
right crazy? All right, let's get to the football. Obviously,

(23:17):
this Super Bowl, we got the tremendous offensive team in
Kansas City, the tremendous defensive team in San Francisco. Which
one do you think prevails in the end? I think
that both will play to the level of expectations. Um,
but I think San Francisco will win the game because

(23:38):
I think San Francisco's offense against Kansas City's defense, there's
a bigger edge there than the other one. Which may
be a standoff, but I'm going to give a little
bit of an edge to Kansas City. How about the
the running of the forty nine ers and what they're
able to do I mean, what does that, dude, Charlie.
You know what a football game if you can't stop

(23:59):
to run, they just want a NFC championship game with
a quarterback through eight passes. I mean, when you're running
the football like that, it's hard, hard to beat the team,
isn't it. Well, it does because there's a lot of
things here. First of all, time of possession. You win
time of possession. The second thing is you wear the
other time down to the team down physically and mentally

(24:21):
becomes discouraging when you get pounded and paneled, the pounded
like that, to all those things, committ to play. It's
a very complex running game. They do a zone run
to the outside, then they come back with power. They've
got bootlegs, reverses that they give you a lot of
different variations with a lot of different looks and motions.

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It's it's a pretty complex run game and it's going
to be a challenge for Kansas City to stop. Charlie.
All we heard early in the season was the passing,
and you know, guys throwing for four thousand yards like
it's nothing. Even some at five thousand with the success
that's saying for this goes had with the running game
Derek Henry and Tennessee. Do you think that could mark

(25:06):
a little bit at least of a sea change in
the way teams look at doing things or was this
just kind of an aberration. Well, I think what's happened
is a couple of things here. First of all, the
concept about it's a passing league, with the implication people
don't run the football. I never got that from coaches.

(25:27):
What I saw was an implementation implementation over years of
the college spread offense, with the college spread quarterbacks coming
in adapting to them, so more people were throwing the ball.
They were more wide open about it. It doesn't mean
it couldn't have been done before that. That's one thing.
But teams, if you talk to them, we'll tell you, hey,
you got to run the ball. You got to be

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able to run the ball in the red zone. You
got to be able to run the ball in the
four minute drill. You've got to be able to run
the ball on the road in bad weather. So a
lot of different situations. I think what you saw was
when you've got cop acts like a Derrick Henry, Hey
you're gonna go ride the guy I swear to got
to look like the eighty two Redskins out there. Riggins right,
Riggins right, it was they looked at the same offense. Okay.

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On the other hand, the San Francisco Shanahan offense, Koobiac
offense us his own running um. You know, they can
go back to Terrell Davis when Shanahan was there with
the Super Bowls. It's the same concept. It's always been
a run first mentality and play action second. So I
don't know that the first premise that the running game

(26:34):
was dead was right in the first place. I don't
think this will influence on the teams, just like I
don't think Baltimore is influence on Lamar Jackson. I'm not
sure anybody else is going to try that, because that's
the really unique one, the great option offense being brought
to the NFL and run. Charlie Cassley of the NFL
Network joining the Eye couple. Charlie, is this a big

(26:54):
the pressure on Andy Reid? I mean, I don't know
how many more big games you can lose. He's had
a lot of opportunity, a lot of great teams hasn't
been able to win the Super Bowl. He got this
young kid, one of the brightest quarterbacks around, Um, does
he have to win the Super Bowl? Well, I think
your point is how many more chances are you going

(27:15):
to get? Right? I mean, he just hasn't had right.
He hasn't won it yet. He hasn't won it yet,
and you know, man, maybe there's a reason on each one.
Maybe he wasn't good enough to win it, and he
one of the ones that he lost, and that sometimes
that does happen to him. I think that again, you're
not gonna get that many opportunities. Is there pressure on
this pressure on Kyle Shannah and this pressure on everywe
because you never know when you're gonna get back. That's

(27:38):
really I'm not a baiting the question, Ma, that's just reality. No,
I get that, And I'm just saying it from the
from the standpoint Charlie that you know Andy Reid before
this thing, you know like they had lost, Uh, He's
lost a lot of big games in Kansas City. Coming
into the AFC Championship game. I think they Kansas City
had lost seven of nine home playoff games, a couple

(28:00):
of those with Andy Reid. I'm just saying there is
a track record of not getting it done in the
big games. Well, again, if we just look at I
look at individual games. I just said San Francisco should
win this game. San Francisco is a better football team,
So Kansas City wins. It's an upset in my opinion,
even though the Vegas has them as a favorite. Yeah,

(28:23):
you wouldn't be critical to read if they lose a
game you think they're supposed to lose. No, and again
last year they got beat by Tom Brady in overtime
when Brady got the coin flip in Kansas City never
touched the ball. Now do he argued with losing the
Belichick and Brady, Well, remember remember the Kansas City got
shut out in the first half at home, though Charlie

(28:43):
Aaron Rodgers, but they got thirty in the second half. No,
I get it. I'm just saying, you know what I mean,
you got shut out at home. Speaking of being shut
out in the first half, Aaron Rodgers one in three
now in nc NFC title games. I look, I know
it's what his numbers looked like from Sunday, But I
didn't think he played well because the game, the game,

(29:04):
the ballot was the first half and he had the
two turnovers that led to ten points. What do you
make of you know, Rogers a six touchdown, seven picks
in his four NFC title games. What do you read
into that? You know, I'm not sure. Again, I take
each one individually. I think, first of all, if we
look at him this year, maybe Sunday was this year

(29:29):
because he's had his moments where he's looked like Aaron
Rodgers the Hall of Famer, and he's had other stretches
which you know, he's played very average, and Sunday in
the first half, I think two things happened. One, you
saw some of his average. The second thing is how
were they able to how fox if you will probably
a pitch Choice Awards, I guess the use of Damante

(29:51):
Adams against the San Francisco defense in the second half,
where they came out and they had a clear plan.
There was going to get Davante Adams the ball, and
that to me, turned the game around and they got
some amentum and almost got themselves back into the thing.
In the first half, nobody had one target or something
like that. So somehow they woke up at halftime and decided,
you can't stop this guy, because we're gonna find a

(30:13):
way to scheam them open. So that helped and Aaron
Rodgers get going. But I think Aaron Rodgers this year
had a subpar year for him. I think he was
inconsistent this year and maybe a little bit of the
age is creeping in on him though at times. Hey,
he can make some unbelievable throats, and when we see that,

(30:33):
I can't really go back over the other games and
comment on them. So all right, Charlie, great stuff is
appreciate it. Hey, great way with you guys. Find that
guy about Jeter? Huh, yeah, we are. We want to
know that guy may be sitting next to him. Hey,
I gotta vote, Charlie. I've voted for Jet Trust. But man, yes,
all right, man, see you. Kyrie's mouth is getting him

(30:55):
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gonna switch quickly to the NBA and Kyrie irving his

(31:16):
back playing with the Brooklyn Nets, although he just heard
his hamstring. So he had just come back from a
shoulder impingement that kept him out for a long while.
And look, Kyrie Irving is a Hall of Fame player,
wouldn't you agree? Rob, no doubt hit arguably the greatest

(31:37):
shot in NBA history. I think it's the second greatest
shot in NBA history, and I think ray Allan's was
the best and has the best handle in NBA history.
But as a leader, it's well documented. I mean, he
leaves something to be desired and hopefully he'll grow and learn.

(31:59):
That was the whole when he got to Brooklyn. Clearly
without KD there this year, he is the leader of
that team. But he has said some things that did
make you wonder did he learn anything from the mistakes
he that he admittedly made in Boston? And yesterday talked
about Martin Luther King day of course, as everybody was,

(32:19):
And here's what he said when I was out for
those seven weeks and not saying anything, and still people
are still saying things about me. It's it's inevitable. You know,
they crucified Martin Luther King for speaking about peace and
social integration. It was you know, you can go back
to historical leaders and great people in society that do
great things, and they're still going to talk. It is
what it is now. I don't think he's comparing himself

(32:41):
to Martin Luther. I don't know either. I just I
think his point was really Chris that and when he
brought up Martin Luke King, Echell other gree is that
no matter who you are, my mom said something to me, Chris,
when I was a kid and I came home one
day and I was complaining about something that I said,
you know, the kids that they don't like me or something,
you know, with something of that vain, and my mother

(33:03):
looked at me and she said, they didn't like Jesus Christ. Exactly.
I was gonna say that to you if you didn't
say that. That's exactly what she said to him, Like
Jesus So so my mom. My mom was like, you're
in good company, right, And that's what I think is
what he was saying. That's what he was saying. The
region he used Martin Luther King was because it was
Martin Luther King Day and if this was maybe in

(33:26):
the middle of the summer and he came out of
nowhere ton Megan, Chris I don't believe he was comparing
himself we're saying there, but there are a lot of
people that did think he was comparing himself to Emil
k And this is the point we're trying to make.
Kyrie does have to be more careful about the way
he says things, and some things he says he doesn't

(33:47):
seem to have the edit button, and and sometimes he
even comes off as he comes off sometimes like he
thinks he's smarter than everybody else. Well, that's the big
thing you're remember. I remember that the what was that
something about Christmas? What was it? What was the thing
about Christians celebrate It didn't celebrate Christmas, remember exactly, but

(34:11):
it was basically that. Yeah, that was just this is
who he is. I can't remember right, but this is
who he is. He says stuff, she puts stuff out there.
I don't know, I'm not. Everybody's different. Everybody's not going
to uh be on the same page. He's a different
He's a different, different kind of guy, different cat. That's
not what they call He's just a different cafer cat.

(34:32):
He I had more of a problem with what he
said last week, or it was last week about the
team being needing several pieces to get to the championship
level or contender status. The big piece you need is
right there on the bench in street clothes, because I
tell you now, look, do I think Brooklyn's going to

(34:54):
win a championship? I don't I do, But they will
be contenders, there is no question, and there kape they
could win the championship. They'll be one of those handful
of teams that has a shot. I don't think they'll
get it done, but they'll have a shot. I think
they will get it done. So that's the That's why
I'm saying, why are you saying you need more pieces?

(35:14):
When Kevin Durance there, you have DeAndre Jordan. You got
uh the big shot blocker. His name is escape j
Jalen Jalen. Uh. What's the big shot blocker's name? But
they got him Jaden Smith Jaden. I'll find his name.
But they got the big shot blocker. You got Spencer
DENWITTI and Caris Laverte in addition to your two stars

(35:37):
Kyrie and and Jed Jared Allen Jared Allen and k
D I mean you, And then you got Joe Smith
Joe Harris who can shoot the ball, as the lights
out of the ball from three point range, like and
you got a good coach like Brooklyn is not their
k d away from contending with the Lakers and the

(36:00):
Clippers and the Bucks. And the way he came out
and said there, you know, it's glaring and in the
summer we'll deal with you know, moving pieces and all that.
You're not the GM. That's what I just think. I
hope he hasn't done already in Brooklyn what he did
in Boston. That's the that's the issue. And their record

(36:22):
is not as good with Kyrie on the floor as
it is with him off the floor. So we keep
an eye on this. There's drama in Brooklyn and we'll
see how it plays out. A couple two hours left.
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(37:08):
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with the NBA. We just got done talking about Kyrie Irvy.
We'll get back to baseball at the bottom of the hour.
He got the great writer for USA Today, Bob Nightingale.
Maybe he can shed some light on who didn't vote

(37:29):
for jet or if he has the same idea he has.
I think it's aology. Does he think it's right that
nobody else is unanimous? Yea? Or does he is he
more like you that this is ridiculous, ridiculous conversation. Definitely
keep that locked. All right, Um, the Lakers, now, look,
we all understand they've got the best record in the

(37:52):
Western I'm sorry, I was just about to say I'm
not making too much out of last night, but it
maybe Ron Parker is so they're not a contender in
your eyes. Let me just get to the news. When
you say fraudulent, that means they're not a legitimate contender.

(38:12):
To me, that's what I that's what I pick up,
and I think there's no question they're contender. Now will
they win it? That remains to be seen. Are they
the favorites? The Clippers, I believe are the favorites in
most people's eyes. But to say they're fraudulent implies they
have absolutely no chance and they're not a contender, which

(38:32):
I think is ridiculous. But last night they go to
Boston and get hammered, hammered? What was that? That was
the Laker's worst loss to the Celtics in fifty some
odd years. Yes, one thirty nine to one oh seven,
So that's obviously thirty two points. And uh yeah, it

(38:53):
was the largest regular season win by either team against
the other in more than fifty years. Yeah, I mean, wow,
nineteen sixty nine the Lakers beat the Celtics by thirty five.
Funny you were I wasn't ten years old. They were closing.

(39:13):
I've just been born. You were closing in though. But anyway, Um, look,
I don't make you know, Rob. I've covered the NBA
twenty five years. Games like this happened. The year the
Bulls won seventy two. I was covering the Cleveland Cavaliers
of Bobby Pills, Chris Mills, Terrellby not a great team.
I think they made the playoffs that year but got

(39:34):
swept in the first round by the Knicks. They beat
the Bulls that year. Jordan and Scottie and Roding and
all of them came to Cleveland, and Cleveland put it
on him, so it happens. I'm not gonna make a
big deal out of this, but what I will say
is that the Lakers are not as good as their record.

(39:56):
They're not as good as their record. Rovo, chrispus Sorro objective.
I'm the the most objective, the mobile, the mobile, the
most subjective brother of all times. We know where you're
coming from the mill. I don't know where Skip coming from.
We know where Shannon is coming from. With me, I'm
coming with truth. I'm coming with facts. I ain't enough feelings.

(40:21):
You can't play that, Kiki, Yeah, that's your songs. That
ain't my short team song. I'm not I'm about facts, baby.
I told Chris last year that Lebron and then wouldn't
make the playoffs, and you told me, told you don't
don't bring No we're talking about start comparing back NBA. No,
I want to talk about you told me this winning

(40:42):
the supercris me now lebra was going It's gonna be
the MVP last year too. If you could believe that
I didn't say that, you did pick up, not picked
Lebron to win v y you did last year? Positive
to you to make the playoffs before the season, Christian,
give you know what? Okay, I can't Okay, okay, I'll

(41:02):
trust your word on that. But I'll say this now,
Yannis probably would have one. But had Lebron not gotten hurt,
I don't want to hear as you want. You want
the trafficking narratives, no trafficking feelings, and I'm just telling
you the traffic in the truth, and the truth is
I picked that when Lebron was healthy. They were ran

(41:24):
riding the Golden State Warriors on Christmas the fourth seed
in the way they weren't the fourth seed, but the
more the two ended up being m V rob G
finished in the top four. Rob G, can you can
I get a witness? You know they were two games
out of the nice spot. When Chris talks about they
were in the fourth spot, where rob rob G were

(41:46):
they not two games out of the nice spot? What
does that matter? They close two games out of the
first spot. I'm just trying was that close. I'm just
trying to turn now hear it is? You're just trying
to bring Tom telling you the argument that the Lakers
are championship frauds. I've been saying it all year. Define
against the good teams. They're five and five. That's not

(42:06):
gonna get it done. Chris, You're not gonna win a championship.
I'm not saying get you. I'm not a lakerd. They
can feast all they want on these also rans and
bad teams. It never was is that's what they are.
Stop with all that beat a good team? Can you
if the Clippers beat him again? I want to see

(42:28):
them beat the Clippers. They beat you in that game
coming up. But I'm telling you, I agree with you
on the Clippers, but I'm saying they beat Denver, they
beat Utah twice. They're not like they haven't beat anybody.
But hold on five five define because you like to
you like to throw out stuff without defining it. He's
not that guy. Who what does that guy mean? That
means that the guy who can win you a game whatever,

(42:51):
not that guy. Apparently we go we keep talking about
the same thing, figuring out you always keep going to
your to your you're crutches. It's true, you always bring
him the same thing. Just just move this boy. Who Okay,
if the Lakers are championship frauds, I think one of
three teams is gonna win the championship this year. The Clippers,

(43:15):
the Bucks, the Lakers. I'm telling you I think need
none of those teams are championship frauds. I'm all right,
Who's Who's who? I mean? Is there only one team
that's not a championship fraud to me? To me, no, No,
The only ones I say that the Clippers and the Bucks.
I'm telling you that the Lakers and the Lakers will

(43:36):
not win the championship because I do not believe in
what they have. The second oldest team in the league,
they don't have the other problems, Chris, and you notice
that's why they're looking for somebody else, another playmaker, because
even in Anthony Davis, he has to get the ball
from somebody else. He can't just dribble down and make
a play at the end of the game. You got
Lebron there? Who else? Kuzma has been inconsistent. All I'm

(43:58):
saying is when I look at the Clippers, they got
three guys who can do that, can close out games.
I like their depth, I like their bench, I like
their I like them and that's why they've been able
to beat the Lakers, even though they remember the Lakers
have jumped out big against them and haven't been able
to close the deal a win. That's a that's a

(44:19):
concern to me on why they can't close out those games.
And then when you look at their record against the
top one, at the top five and five against the
top four teams in East Current that that's like, that's
just treading water. You should be a little better than that.
I'm not saying they should be ten and old, Chris
or anything like. Clippers are only ten and eight against
teams five ten wins is pretty good. They lost game,

(44:40):
got a lot of it. And the other part is
the health. And then you got your star players sitting
out games. So you can take a look and look
at their record. And despite all of that, despite where
the Lakers started, Chris and all the wins where the Clippers,
how many games different are they compared to where the Lakers,
who at a historic start, they didn't run away with anything.

(45:04):
They just they were running at an unbelievable clip and
they didn't run away from anybody. That's the thing that
I look at the say, really, I don't disagree with
a lot of what you said. I just disagree with
calling him championship frogs. But here's the thing. Remember when
Lebron missed a game or two a couple of weeks ago,

(45:25):
they won and they look good. They put up a
lot of points. And now I'm not obviously they're not
better or good without Lebron James. What I'm saying is
this has been the case with Lebron a lot of years.
Most of his years in the NBA, he teams become
so dependent on him. The system always revolves around him.

(45:48):
That ultimately, whether it was in Cleveland, whether it was
in Miami, now in LA he's doing everything, He's always
creating for everybody, and then when he's all the floor
or off the team, they don't really they struggle. And
when he's taking out of games because they're used to
him doing everything, facilitating everything, they struggle when they're when

(46:11):
he's on the bench. But when I saw the games
when he sat out and they played well, I wondered,
could they you know these guys Grondo be a playmaker
as he has been in the past if they played
differently when Lebron's not there. So they gotta figure out
because you're right, they don't have a playmaker, and it

(46:33):
shows in the numbers. When Lebron's off the floor, they
fall off. They're even talking about maybe trading to get
Derek Rose, like, like, Derek would be great, but I don't.
I'm not trying to give up Kuzma for it because
playing great and in that situation, you need somebody who
can handle a basketball be a playmaker, and Kuzma's just

(46:55):
been inconsistent. I don't know if he was ready for
this role yet the idea, right, he was different, Christian.
You notice when you're putting up shots on a team
that got no chance to win, totally different, you know, like,
there's no fear. What's the fear we lost eight getting
into the row. I could just go out there and
put my shots up. This is a totally different thing.

(47:17):
So what another thing that concerns me about the Lakers, right?
And I told you, if they lose again to the Clippers,
I may just switch my preseason feel like yeah, like
and here here's what it is. The Lakers need dog.
The Clippers are dogs. They're dogs, that's what That's what
I love about that team, right, they're hungrier. The Lakers

(47:39):
don't look nearly as hungry to me, and that's like
Boston's a hungry team. Now, they're better than Boston. They
would beat him in the same right, but they're a
hungry team. The Clippers are hungry because most of those
guys other than Kauai haven't won championships. So they're hungry,
and their makeup is just they're nasty. They're dogs. I
don't see that with the Lakers, and that concerns me.

(48:02):
So they've gotta that. They gotta get some of that
in them too. And that's why I want to see
a match up with the Clippers, because you're right. They
outplayed the Clippers for the first three quarters in both games,
but haven't been able to close and the fourth quarter
has been harressing, like four points in the two games
in the fourth quarters. He should dominate the Clippers as

(48:23):
good as they are. They don't have any but he's
got to be the dog and Lebron I think it's
not been as aggressive as usual against the Clippers. We
had Danny Green's co host with the podcast on Past Mountain,
tell us that the players Harrison Sanford had said that
the Lakers teammates told Lebron in those games, you gotta

(48:46):
be more aggressive. And it's true. Now, I get it
if they got great perimeter defense, but you, Lebron, James, nobody.
I don't think Kawhi Paul George can't stop you from
getting to the home. But are you afraid not to
go there because you don't want to have to make freetos?
And I'm just I'm just throwing that out because the
freettos have been a problem and there's no reason, Chris,

(49:06):
you just said it. Why not be aggressive? Why not?
It's interesting because this year Lebron has kind of largely
been either going to the bucket and laying it up
or dunking or shooting the three. And he's not a
great three point shooter. He's okay one, you know, and
he'll get hot sometimes yeah he's off. So it's um.

(49:31):
Look again, I think you're wrong in calling them championship frauds.
I think they gotta They're very It's those three teams.
But the Clippers, man, they it's a tough matchup for
the Lakes, I think that now, I'll say this, I
don't think anyone else in the West could beat the Lakers,
and I wouldn't pick anybody else in the West to
beat the Clippers. But I think Houston, Utah, Denver, I

(49:54):
think they have a better shot of beating the Clippers
than they do the Lakers. I think those teams will
give the Clippers more trouble than it might give them
more trouble. But in the seven game series, because that's
the neutralizer, you might be able to beat the team.
And this is why you could be the team once
or twice, Chris. But if you told me over a
seven game that you're gonna be Kawhi and you're gonna

(50:15):
be Lou Williams, and you're gonna be Paul George and
Doc Rivers, I'm going to take those guys. I told
you last year. I just loved what that team was
about last year. And I know they didn't win anything,
and they won forty eight games thing, but they went
and they went against the healthy Golden State Warriors and

(50:37):
one two World games when Kevin Durant stops shooting, and
you know the other one, Kevin Duran had to put
the shift you ride to put up fifty something to
get out of that series in Game six. Stop it
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(51:00):
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all right, here we go to Lakers Fox. Let's start
with Eric and Oregon. Where you at on the Lakers?
All right, what's up? That's how y'all doing to that?
I'm good man, I'm good man. Yeah, y'all know I'm
a hooper, So I'm gonna give a toe you like that,
A couple of things to say. I don't think we
need to be freaking out over this this Boston. No, no,

(52:27):
not one game. I mean, I mean, clearly, the great
teams get beat. That was a great point earlier about
the balls. I mean, the seventy three win Warriors, they
lost the Detroit here, if they lost the Dallas that year,
they loft the Denver they and then they choked in
the finals. Go ahead, Well yeah, but still that was
a great team. I mean, we're not going to deny that,
right right, But so that doesn't mean that much to me.
But that being said, yeah, Clippers are the team to

(52:48):
be worried about. They got the depth. The Lakers don't
have depth, man. And when when they start tightening up
rotations in playoffs, you know, I'll be It'll be really cure.
I'll be really curious to see who starts, you know,
playing those heavy minutes the faoffs. When they tightened it
up for like seven eight guys, well, I think they
might go eight or nine seven eight man, they It'll
be interesting. But yeah, they A D and Lebron have

(53:11):
to be huge against the Clippers because the depth advantage
is with the Clippers, There's no question about it. So
I need Lebron to win his matchup, yes with Kauhi,
and I need a D to dominate. He ain't doing
all thatt is he. We'll see. Let's go to Joseph
in Virginia on with Chris and Robb Warrior. We're great, man,

(53:34):
how are you doing well. I don't think it's much
to worry about. I think the real issue is is
that they do have to get rid of Kuzma. Unfortunately,
he's just not He doesn't fit. He needs too many shots.
They need to get somebody that's able to be efficient
with the limited amount of shots. I know d Rose
was dropped out there, but he's I don't think he's
the answer. I don't know that he would be on

(53:57):
the floor with Lebron. I think maybe more of a
Zach Levine would be a good fit. Kuzman, he's just
he needs too many shots. He can't he can't fit
on the floor with Lebron and ad Well, look the
third the third score with a Lebron team or just period.
If your first two scores are huge scores twenty five

(54:18):
and up, then the third guy. The nature of being
the third guy is you it's inconsistency because some guy
you're not getting a lot of plays called for you.
You gotta pick it up here. Like, it's not just
on Lebron's teams. We think of Chris Bosh and Kevin Love.
Yeah it happened with them, but also remember Glenn Rice
with Kobe and Shock. Blenn Rice was one of the

(54:40):
best scores in the NBA after the twenty four twenty
five points ending up ball For everybody, it's somebody's not
going to get theirs and if you're not ready and
willing to accept that result, then it's going to be accepting, right,
And that's what Lou Williams accepts it. Kyle Kuzman has it,
and Lou plays starter minutes, could as a starter if

(55:01):
he really wanted to go to another team. Chris, yea
and start somewhere else. He accepts it. He loves what
he does, and they win and he's happy. And they
got a chance because they have a player of that
caliber who's accepted a role like that. Chris and San Diego,
you're in the odd couple of Fox Sports Radio. What's up? Chris? Hey,
what's up? Y'all? Hi? You man? Hey, okay, say one

(55:23):
of the sea is one thing? Quickly, Rob Parker. Lebron
got her last year. So stop, thank you, Chris, thank you.
Stop with Chris stopping stop it fact all right, no, wait, man,
don't you remember when he came back and he said
activate playoff mode and then they lost to Memphis, the
Sons and the Hawks. Remember the same team lost, the

(55:46):
same team. Stop talking. We're talking about Lebron, We're talking
about make it boy, We're talking about the foe. Go ahead,
all right, all right, Okay, I'm not I'm not trying
to say like, oh there wasn't trying, but I feel
like everybody just took a day off. That's just me
because well, look, Lebron, he went to see a Sun play.
He didn't get his nap which he always likes to take,

(56:07):
you know, ads first game. Oh god, Chris, let stop.
Now you've coverage so long enough to know these dudes
are creatures of habit. No, but that ain't the reason
they got blown up by fifty. If you don't get,
you don't get once a week, you're not the same.
I'm once a month. I don't go once a week.

(56:28):
When you think of when you think I'm doing, I
don't get your warm milk and pedicutor on a Sunday
night Monday. You're just you're not. You're good for nothing, man, Chris,
thank you. Let's go to John and Winston Salemon with
Chris and Rob so great, um, the only person that's

(56:48):
gonna be a fraud out in La Isau. Why if
the Clippers do not win the championship this season just
because with him sitting out all these games, I don't
understand how you could have been justified so called load
management and they get put out in the playoffs without
a championship and so forth. That's a great point. And
I've said it. Now, I wouldn't call Quhi for that

(57:10):
boy can ball. I wouldn't call him a fraud at all.
But you got it. When you load manage like this,
if you're just gonna sit out twenty games, you better
win the championship period like he did that only right,
and then we justified nothing that won the title. But
what if he doesn't and then you with me? No,
I don't like load manage. They don't win if they
don't win the championship. How it goes down, Chris, I

(57:32):
can't sit here and say if Kawhi scores fifty points
and somebody misses a dunk at the did somebody on
the team misses a dunk at the buzzer, I'm gonna
blame Kawhi that they you blamed Lebron. I'm glad you
brought we need. Dropped fifty one on the Golden State Warriors.
And George Hill missed the layout. Oh he knew. He
didn't miss the layoup he missed him found he didn't

(57:57):
miss it the layer, he didn't miss it. He got
fu Lebron was play to shoot the ball, and I'm
calling you game off the ball stuff. Don't play you
gave up the ball. Couple, He gave up the ball
because he didn't want to shoot. Stop it. He scored
fifty one a games on the line, he ain't he
gives it to who do you give it to? U?

(58:18):
Who was hitting all those big shots for U? For
the for the Raptors in the finals. Was it Fred
van Vleet? No you kidd me? Yeah, yeah it was
Fred van Vleet. Who's the finals MVP? Well he should
have I'm not saying, I'm just saying. Everybody didn't have
to take the last look. Jordan didn't always take the
last shot. So stop it. Lebron would I would have

(58:40):
rather have the Lebron always gives up the basketball. And
the worst time way he was happening. He was game,
he was Mike. He was having He's always getting up there.
He was having. He was having one of his greatest
games ever. Fifty one points and he's gonna pass the ball.
Le Benny layoff wasn't a layoup because he didn't. It
was a layoff. Hey, let's squee in Chris from Los

(59:01):
Angeles showing the odd couple. Fox Sports Radio. What's up, Chris? Yeah,
it's Christian. You know, first of all you guys, your
excitement in your passion drive this show kicks. I just
than we appreciate that, man. And when you throw out
everyone through our references, you pull out some stuff from
the past that is relevant because a lot of people,
you know, you just think about today. But we had

(59:21):
greatness in the past, and I appreciate that from you guys.
To thank you, man so ill throughout my Denver defense
guy Fat Lever, A lot of people never ripple double
machine back Google fat Lever. Are you from Denver? Yes,
by living out there? Okay, so what I'm gonna that,
that's gonna color what I how I view what you're

(59:43):
about to say. Oh, that's okay. I'm from the you know,
Doug Mo, you know, all the way back to you know,
everyone from English to uh Dan thinking they had plenty
of players in Denver. But you think this year's nugget,
Go ahead, tell me what this year's nugget. Here's the
thing we're looking at. They got some experience last year.
I was shocked that they got knocked out of the playoffs.

(01:00:04):
That last game. We were heading a third quarter by
fifteen points. It might even make the playoffs this year, right,
So and they in the first three games, two in
the preseason and two in the first couple of weeks.
We shut them down four games in a row. We
got even with them, and that set the tone for
their season. So how far are y'all going this year?

(01:00:26):
Here's how far we're going? We are so deep. And
now that Murray's just a little ankle problem. You know,
everyone's talking about Porter Junior and they should. He's not
gonna talk about bull right now. He's sitting back there
waiting too. We're loaded. But here's the thing. We were
one of the like second youngest teams and maybe the
history going into christ round it out? All right? Am

(01:00:47):
I wrong? We're not. We're not gonna get hurt. We
got a lot of players a playoffs, y'all going off?
How far y'all? We're going all the way. It's gonna
be stopping Chris stopping, stop it. Denver's going all the way?
Come on, no way, no how I like to talk
Chris win it when this time? All right? Uh, Rob

(01:01:11):
Parker has a bone to pick with this Baseball Hall
of Fame voting brethren. We'll find out next what it is.
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(01:01:32):
One of the best baseball writers in the country. Great
day to have you more, and it's none other than
Bob Nightingale. Bob, Welcome to the Eye Couple. Yeah, how
about you guys now, Bob, Look, I'm an outsider in
this conversation. You guys are the baseball writers and been
covering the league for decades, and all that explain to

(01:01:53):
me when I look at the fact that Jeter is
the latest, you know, version of this rule, and all
these other great players were not unanimous. Why why I
thought it might change with Rivera last year. I thought
guys might start voting certain guys unanimous. But why are
certain guys sticklers for nobody being able to get into

(01:02:15):
the Hall of Fame unanimously? I think someone just trying
to be an outliner, trying to be a controversial on purpose.
Although you know the four guys that didn't voote for
Kim Gryffy Jr. A few years ago, You're not one
of them. Were exposed. So I have my doubt swit her.
You know this person well either, but yeah, who knows
the reason? You know if Gryffy, hey, you know, any

(01:02:37):
care for his defense? Hey, this guy went to Marlins
by Landrey Dawson and Tony Press. I'm upset about that.
Uh you know, hey, I know he's going to be
in the Hall of Fame anyway, And let me vote
for ten hundred guys. You know who wrote what's goes
through that? Hey bundle deal? And I thought it Griffy
tonight he says he didn't even think about it. You know,

(01:02:58):
he should be unanimous, right, right, Bob? Is there a chance,
this is my gut, that that ballot is probably a
bank a blank vot, a ballot that that maybe he
didn't vote for anybody, because that's what used to stop
a lot of people from being unanimous, you know, that
guys would put in in protest and all kinds of stuff.
Do you think that's what happened here, because I can't

(01:03:20):
honestly think that a guy looked at a ballot, looked
at Derek Gis thirty five hundred hits, five World Series
Rookie a year and all the other World Series plays
and all that and said he's not he I can't
vote for him. No, he looked a great point, Rob,
That's very possible. I remever, at one point, this is
before most of ballots have become public, right where some

(01:03:42):
guys would not vote, would turn in blank ballots. You
know what, these guys play with the steroid era, even
though you know, don't ever choose their gear or anything.
But nobody was a whistible over either. Say. He says,
these guys did the same thing. I'm going to punish
everybody who played in that era. Rights possible. That's what
I'm thinking is now here's the other bone that I
have to pick with the BBWAA, and you know it's

(01:04:06):
my prize possession. I take it very seriously, Bob. There's
only about what four hundred and eighty of us who
get to vote for the Baseball of Fame, so it's
a precious thing. How in the world is Larry Walker?
We've turned into the sympathy vote Hall of Fame. How
does Larry Walker, whose numbers didn't change from a year ago,
go from fifty five percent to seventy six percent in

(01:04:29):
one year because it's his final year on the ballot.
I do not understand that. Please help me. If you
didn't vote for him for nine years, why would you
vote for him now? You know he was at fifteen
percent rob On in that two thy sixteen they were
after twenty one percent and thirty four four. I think

(01:04:52):
people are getting so caught up in the whole saber
metrics analytics. A lot of guys rebuild their votes and
nobody wants to get punished by the people on Twitter.
I think people are so played of social media and
they say, oh, let me know be an outlier. If
these guys say he's a Hall of Famer, I'll vote
for the Hall of Fame. Well, I'll be perfectly honest, Rob.

(01:05:15):
I had not voted for Larry Walker for nine years.
I'm still not going missing a Hall of Famer. It's
a final year, and I knew it was gonna be close.
And I said, you know what if he misses like
one book, I don't want to be back. Did you
vote for him he's at the first time? Oh, I see,
I can't. He's a great guy at nice stats, you know.

(01:05:37):
And uh so I only voted for him because I
thought it is so close. I don't want too at night.
See you're the one. You're the uniview. It's your fault
that he got in. Guys did the same thing. And
that's what I'm talking about, the sympathy vote. How could
you go nine years? I know Larry Walker's not a

(01:05:58):
Hall of Famer. He didn't get my vote year one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight or nine, even Lebron James three. That's right. I
didn't vote for and I'm not gonna change my vote.
And then, and this is what I do, Bob. If
I vote for you year one, you're gonna get my
vote every single year you're on the ballot. And if

(01:06:20):
you don't get my vote year one, you'll never get
my vote. Do you change votes? You did it in
this case. But is that something you've done before or recently?
Or so I've done it back to back years, Rob.
The only other time I did it was Egar Martinis.
I was I didn't think Egar Martins that's how he
got in last year. Yeah, And I'm thinking, you know,

(01:06:41):
and he got in easy last year. And uh, you know,
I'm saying, if frim of Griffin a Hall of Famer,
how in the world is this guy? Hall of Famer?
Is an age and Griff it like two hundred more
home runs and you know, three hundred more Ribbies and
everything else. So those are only two guys that I've
changed so everything, you know, Yeah, but hell to me
that we never voted Jack Morris. Him Morris foundly got

(01:07:03):
into the veterans community. And you know, it drives me
crazy when people aren't voting for you know, Barry Bonds
and Roger Clemens. Yes, Bob, that's what I was going
to ask you. Obviously, that's a big question. Do you
think though, I mean the years are running by Clemens now,
we got two more years. They got two more years
by next years, the ninth and in the tenth, and
watch and see they all think they get in. I do, uh,

(01:07:27):
you know a little bit like Rod said the Sissippathy vote.
But I think that people may say, you know what,
I punish these guys long enough. I made him sweat,
so I'll vote for him the champ year. But my
whole point is, you know, we're punishing these guys because
he would have, you know, because you were breaking beloved records.
If Barry Bones didn't brand King Cairns record, he probably

(01:07:48):
would have been ordering the Hall of Fame. I think
they were upset by that. But I don't know how
people can vote for the likes of Mike Beyonta, Jeff Bagwell,
Paul dread Reguez. You've got you saw Pud Drob Now,
I saw him loose forty points forty pounds in Detroit
in one offseason. Yes, yeah, and he's playing. He's claim

(01:08:08):
right if it wasn't call bos wasn't called in the
neer clement right through the line is if you weren't
suspended for sir, right use and you're on my ballot.
I'm not going to vote for many of ramires. He
was suspended twice. See, I agree with many. Many gets
the whole year. Many got busted, you know, after they
put the rule in and they started testing. So that's
why I don't vote for many. He was a great

(01:08:30):
player too quickly, Bob, what about Kurtschilling, I think he's
a Hall of Famer. I don't think he's a Hall
of Famer. I didn't vote for Kurtschilling. Shuli, we'll get
in next year. Uh you know, he was at seventy
percent this year. He'll climb over to week ballot next years.
Not a single person the newcomers that will get in
and uh, you know showing he's a guy who I

(01:08:50):
wish he had one, two and eleven wins, had a
great vote season. Everybody knows about the social media stuff.
But I think he gets in. I think a lot
of these guys are getting in. Just what the new
inlist voting voting block Back in the day, there's no
way the world these guys would have got in, right. Well, yeah,
the Hall of Fame is be different. We're not gonna
see another three, but we got what you call they's

(01:09:14):
been watered down. Man, it breaks my heart. But Bob,
I cannot believe two years in the row you you
caved on year ten you were part of the sympathy
vote block. Bob Nightingale, I can't believe it. We out
in Bob Nightingale here on the Odd Couple. Well that
they're real easy this time by six votes. If you

(01:09:35):
write one vote, if you can blame me, six people
get the same thing. A great stuff. Appreciate the knowledge,
Thank you, Bob. Thank There are some guys in sports
who just don't get it. Will explain next couple of
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(01:10:17):
bills jumping from all over the place. That's yesterday, Magic
City Monday, Magic City Monday. Man. You know I was
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It's easy, all right, Rob, you got a bone to
pick you all over baseball today. Nolan Arnado, you got
a bone to pick. Yes, Willie, stop complaining that your

(01:11:01):
name was mentioned the possible trades. This is more thing. Chris,
you signed a deal. You took their two hundred and
sixty million dollars. There's a no trade clause, but United's
got his panties in a bunch because his name was
mentioned in trade talk. Dude. Some of the greatest players
who've ever played any team sports have all been traded.

(01:11:25):
Wayne Gretzky was traded. The greatest hockey player has ever played, right,
Kareem Maldul Jabbar was traded, baby, but they still were traded. Though.
My point is Shak was traded. We could go on
and on and norm people have been traded. Why are
you getting worked up? And they're like, though, if I

(01:11:46):
have a no trade, I'm in the second year or
really just just finished the first year right of this
huge deal. He had a great year, Aboudy three fifteen
head this thing, right, they didn't It wasn't his fault.
They didn't make the playoffs. And I have a no trade, claw,
I got it. Why are you listening? Yeah, because you
can listen all you want. Because something I don't want

(01:12:07):
to be traded. Because why are you wasting your time? Okay,
because somethingime coming out publicly saying we're listening to trades
for all? Right? Now you don't think a superstar. If
any ilk Lebron James, if the Lakers came out and
said we're listening there talking about it. No, But my
point is that people get traded and to get all

(01:12:29):
worked up. The bottom line is you were traded. So
what someone made a phone call and said they were inquiring.
Maybe they look at the Rockies and go, they don't
look like they're building anything. And maybe he don't want
to spend the next eight years and maybe something's changed
Chris Golden, maybe something's changing him and say, look, we're
not gonna be that championship contender. We thought we were

(01:12:50):
right and things aren't working out, and we're gonna rebuild
him tear it up. So all, I'm just saying that respect.
I'm glad you feel this way, though, Rod, because I'm
glad you feel this way because I was in talks
with Stephen A. Smith recently. Oh about you, you man?

(01:13:10):
I mean, Rob Gez Steve with me a heck of
a team? Is that not something at the price wasn't right?
He's gonna chake my joke And I was three shown
meeting Robe. Did I not make that joke in the
show saying yes, you did you weren't gonna say it?
So I think it was such a good joke. I

(01:13:31):
wanted to kay, were you gonna say it? I wasn't.
I wasn't gonna use him, but but I did use me. Rob.
I am typing up to cease and assist letter as
we he's stealing my material, and I was shocked. It's
the first time I've stolen your material. Your material isn't
worth still, So now you're telling me that I can
do the stand up that was You've had two good

(01:13:54):
jokes in our year and a half. That was one,
and there was another one recently. What did he say?
He says something so good, Joe, you say, it's not
really funny. Recently, I can't remember what it was. I was.
I was citing your picks over the last Oh really,
Oh I'm glad you brought that up too. Oh wait
a minute, because I'm I'm eating two in these NFL playoffs.

(01:14:16):
Where do you that's right? This is my theme music.
This is the music of the playoffs. I don't care
about the regular season. Ron Parker, I'm eating two and
my prediction is still alive. Wait a minute, Kansas City Chiefs,
you predicted wait the minute, Green Bay Packers will win
the Super Bowl. Their dad turn that down. You got

(01:14:38):
nerve turning me out? You ready? All right? I got
my list. I have a list written down here. Chris
picked the Dodgers over the Nationals. Ri Chris picked the
Astros in the World Series. Chris, Chris picked the Warriors.
Chris picked the Lakers to breke the playoffs. Chris pick
Lebron to win the MVP. Wrong. He had my homes

(01:14:59):
sold forty touch living up to it now, big green baby,
give it to you over the charger. Stop it right,
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(01:15:44):
keep it locked right here where it is, right now.
We've got a special guest coming up in a few minutes,
so I'll wait to introduce his name. But at the
bottom of the hour, Ice qube Wow, the legendary rapper
NWA now Big Three fame and one of the founders
of the Big Three. So we'll talk to him about

(01:16:05):
his league and also of course get into some Lakers talk.
I'm sure Rob will try to go at him and us.
You're nobody. I'm not afraid of Ice Q. Yeah, now
that he's not in the studio, right, come on, bring
it on, bring it on. We're talking basketball. I'm easy
to sound gangster, all right, I poke my chest out.

(01:16:26):
I'm in LA now I'm here too. This place ain't
big enough for the both of us. Well, you have
been ordinary today, and the reason why is because you
don't like what's going on with the Major League Baseball
Hall of Fame. You all and you know what this is.
This has come up in srid Parker. Why God don't
like ugly? Is that right? And you always ripping the

(01:16:50):
Basketball Hall of everybody gets it's terrible. The Basketball Hall
of Fame, Hall of Fame, look at baseball, look at it.
He's Larry Walker Hall of Fame. You know, I didn't
vote for Larry Walkers. Don't bring up the veterans. Don't
up the committee. Did he not have a plaque in
the Hall of Fame? But those are veteran committee. There's

(01:17:12):
a lot of those guys didn't matter. I don't like
that Larry Walker of fame. Here's my problem. Enough with
the NBA or Basketball Hall of Fame. Kill that noise,
leave it alone. Baseballs is just as water down Kaya
was in the Basketball Hall of Fame. You know who
that is? Yeah, great coach she was, who don't even

(01:17:33):
know she was great? Whatever she got. Hall of Trott
is in. It's like a miss mad Nobody know. They
shouldn't have glow Meta lark Lemon that scripted. It's like wrestling.
That was when they only let so many African Americans
play in the NBA, So you have to go play
for the globes. Will Chamberlain play for the right? You

(01:17:54):
know what, Curly Neil had led the league in buckets
of confetti and nigeen hands. I mean, what are you talking?
He was handling like that before. Kyrie and I talk
about the Baseball Hall of Fame got me sidetrack to it.
Get to it. Larry Walker. Here's Mark Jeter and Larry
Walker inducted or you know, uh nominate, not nominated? No, no,

(01:18:18):
they were voted into the Hall of Fame the ceremonies
in July exactly. Derek Jeter missed unanimous by one vote,
ninety nine point seven. And but the bigger story is
and I and Chris we aren't totally shocked, because we
were shocked with Mariano Rivera got in unanimous. Because of
the history of the voting of the Baseball Hall of Fame,

(01:18:39):
that might open it up. And now we'll see more unanimous,
get right. And Jeta got all the votes except for one,
but he doesn't get that's the closest anyone's everybody, no
one's been that close. Right. So, but the Larry Walker thing,
And we just had Bob Nightingale, who's a great baseball
writer from USA today, right, And the problem we have

(01:18:59):
was why in the world would Whiter's Chris vote nine
years not for him to get into the Baseball Hall
of Fame. There is we gotta just like in news
just live or State Kansas and Kansas State is that
who's there is reminiscent Steve go ahead. This is replaying

(01:19:23):
which just happened a couple of minutes ago, and with
one second left in the game, Kansas, which was way
ahead of its rival Kansas State eighty one fifty nine. Kansas,
had a great block shot, but then the guy who
blocked it stood over the opponent and then got pushed away,
and that started shoving and the brawl under the basket.
One guy picked up a chair and so apparently all
five on each side have been kicked out. But because

(01:19:45):
there was one second left, they're making the players come
back on the court to finish the game. But it
looked like it spilled over into the crowd where fans
and players fighting. It's well, there was a fan involved.
I didn't see him throwing punches. It was more like
putting his arm out and saying stop. Things like that.
All right, it was officially gone final, but it was

(01:20:06):
reminiscent of the Palotah. It wasn't stepping into the third
row or anything. If people went into the players were
going deep into the crowd rows deep. Yeah, no doubt. Wow.
That was crazy scene. You'll see the video. But I
just want to finish my thought on on Larry Walker

(01:20:27):
and then we'll get to our guests. I don't understand
how the writers could not vote for somebody Chris nine years,
like he's been on the ballot. This is his final year.
It's like a sympathy vote. He went from fifty five
percent last year to seventy six this year. Chris, that's

(01:20:48):
a twenty one percent increase, which is the biggest increase
of any player to get a vote in the Hall
of Fame in sixty five years. That I mean, it's
just mind by. Larry Walker was a very good player.
I was a career three thirteen. That's fine. He was
in the Hall of Fame. And there's a lot of
guys who are beloved MVP and the one time I'm

(01:21:11):
not saying, I'm not saying he was a b seasons
where he had like three six My point is, but
my point is, it took nine years. Be your voting, No,
it couldn't be your judgment. No, ain't my judge. I mean,
seventy percent of voters liked him. No, but they didn't
like him for nine years, is my point. Nine years,
and then all of a sudden, because it's his tenth

(01:21:31):
year and last year on the ballot, they didn't last
year with that good Martinez. This is becoming the sympathy
Hall of Fame. I hated. That's not what the Baseball
Hall of Fame it is supposed to be. It's supposed
to be for the best players. And if there's a
debate about you, you know what that means, you're not
a Hall of Famer. When I say Willie Mays, you're
gonna debate me, yeah, But when I say Hank Garrett,

(01:21:53):
you're gonna debate. But that's what it's supposed to be.
That's what it's supposed to be. No, I don't believe that.
If I Shay Derek Jeter, there's no doubt. You mean
not my It's Larry Walker's the best day of his life.
Oh man, Larry Walker, Ken Haiti sum Chatty can't get

(01:22:13):
off station up today. All right, we're gonna bring in
a guy that's a friend of mine. Um and a
great young man played basketball at ball State, was a
great player there, had records, holds, record school records. There
has been playing overseas for the past few years. Just
today signed a contract to play this season in Australiagan's

(01:22:38):
in the spring, so he's gonna play in Australia. So
congratulations Off and he's here today because he has been
awarded from the NC Double A the NC Double A
Inspiration Award at the NC Double a's annual convention in
Anaheim tomorrow. So he has an inspiring story that he'll

(01:22:59):
share with us today. But let's welcome in Trey Moses.
What's up, trade, what's happening. It's great to have you here, man,
and congratulations on your contract with Australia and uh did
they pay you in lambshops ors this money? And also
of course congratulations on your inspiration award. UM tell us

(01:23:23):
because obviously they shared with you why they chose you
and why you won the award. Share with us exactly
why they told you they awarded you. This just from
my work with kids with disabilities UM. Over the last
five years, I've done a lot with UM, hosting campser
kids with down syndrome, basketball camps. You know. I run

(01:23:43):
all that to my work with Dan's Marathon, which raises
money for Raley Hospital for Children, UM, to my work
with making mental health more of a priority and making
it something that you know, the stigma needs to go away,
especially in those of you know, African Americans. UM, you know,

(01:24:05):
I think, um, those three, those three things are just
all three most important to me. So you've been obviously
down syndrome and stuff that's obviously been around for a
long time, and we understand certainly the charitable work with that.
But mental health that's kind of a new well that's

(01:24:25):
the last few years, and people don't normally want to
talk about it. That's the thing. You know. We talk
about a lot of stuff and we acknowledge it, but
but people do have uh, mental issues and need help,
and you got to be able to be willing to
talk about it. Start you so outspoken about it. I
would say my seventh seventh grade years when I really

(01:24:45):
started to deal with it, um, and it was one
of those things where really nobody knew UM. And then
moving forward is when things kind of got worse. And
then as I got into you know, my first couple
of years of college, I realized that I had this platform.
God get this platform just speak on the things that
I cared about, and two of those things were mental
health and the people with disabilities. And it was like

(01:25:10):
God gave me this platform, Why would I why would
I keep it to me? Why would I be selfish
with it. Why would I, you know, talk about things,
do things that won't help others. And that's just what
I wanted to do. I wanted to just you know,
help others. And with the inspiration word it like goes
to show just what I've done in my four years
at college. But it's like I didn't do do all

(01:25:32):
this for that award. I did all this for others.
When you felt something different on side or or were
you just afraid to bring it up to talk to people.
Was that it to fear of like how people would
respond to you, or or you know what I mean
that just being so young, um, you know, thir twelve,

(01:25:53):
thirteen years old and not really even knowing how to
like deal with something like that. And it was of
those things. Was like I was at a great school,
I have great parents, I have great family surrounding me,
great friends, I had everything I wanted, So why was
I feeling this way? And it was one of those
things where nobody else talked about, especially at that time,
like mental health had like you said, hasn't come big

(01:26:16):
over until the last couple of years. Yeah, And so
for me, it was just like one of those feelings
I was like I don't want anybody to know. And
you know, it was very tough. Um, you know, especially
leading up until my senior freshman year, senior year of
high school, freshman year of college. How would you describe
because I think a lot of people that don't battle

(01:26:36):
with that, you know, they're not certain what exactly it
is when you talk about mental health issues because like that,
because you could be like people, everybody has their ups
and downs, like right, it could just be a bad day,
a bad week, you're just feeling a little when did
you know like yeah, like something's wrong here, Like well,
what I mean, how would you describe to feel? For me?

(01:26:57):
Especially in seventh grade, it was one of those like
I shouldn't be that young, having thoughts of like not
wanting to be here, um, especially with everything that I had,
like I came from you know, everything great, um. And
so to have those feelings and then for them to
continue from seventh grade really and tell you know, my
junior year of college, like it was it was like

(01:27:19):
you know that that was tough for me. And then
to lose a best friend and teammate to suicide, Zach Hollywood. Um,
to to have that happened, it was one of those
things where it's just like, you know, I have my
own story, and now I feel like I have two stories.
I lost someone so close to me, and it's just

(01:27:41):
like I know the impact I can I made before
before that, and now it's just like I know I
have I can make so much more of an impact now.
And I've wanted nothing more than because you know, you
there's so many people who have dealt with what I've
dealt with, you know, mental outh issues to losing someone
was taking their own lives. But I feel like there's

(01:28:01):
you know, a small majority that I've dealt with both,
and I feel like I'm in that category. And you know,
having this platform, I feel like, you know, God's calling
me to just do what I'm doing. Tray Moses former
Ball State University star basketball player, now players professionally overseas
in Australia. What type of things trade have you done

(01:28:22):
to you know over the last few years that have
helped you overcome it and you know, deal with it
and you know, getting a better place and be so
outspoken about I think the biggest thing for me was counseling.
I had started going my freshman year of college and
then I kind of got out of it a little bit,
but after Zach, I got back into and I stayed

(01:28:44):
with that same counsel for two years and was one
of those things where it's just like it's so freeing
to be able to talk to someone and know they're
not going to judge you. And you know a lot
of people have that. You know, oh, they're just paid
to talk to me. But when you find a counsel
that you know you have that connection with, like if
if she wasn't my kind of I feel like we
would have been just best friends and all while those

(01:29:05):
things where it's like I felt that connection, I felt
that she cared looking me in my eyes, like not
just telling me what I wanted to hear, and you
know that was that was so special to me. And
I will always recommend counseling to people and just really
like I feel like over the last couple of years,
my relationship with the Lord I strengthened as well, and
so just those two specifically have been you know, the

(01:29:27):
biggest turnaround for me that that is the hardest part
is to ask for help, is to get help. I mean,
and you know, people know things are going on in
their life or whatever. But and the part that you
brought up about that that they weren't going to judge you.
That's the other part that so many people live with
is you know, if I I become vulnerable, if I

(01:29:49):
tell you something's wrong with me. That's why am I right?
That's why you know you look at I'm not going
to compare, compare myself to Kail Love, but you look
at the guys like Kevin loved Demardureau's and that you know,
come out with their stories. You look at them like, wow,
like these guys are just you know, we look at
athletes as superheroes, and I feel like we're just people too.

(01:30:09):
You know. You look at those guys and just happened
to play basketball. That's all it is. They could be
a milkman h Age myself a milkman postman. But stop it.
Let me last question trade on this topic. Um, since
you've been more outspoken about it and traveling a little

(01:30:31):
bit about it, have you have you seen it? It's
a lot more common with athletes than most people would expect.
Because you're right, those who aren't Division one or professional
athletes look at guys like they got everything. We got
the world, right, have you found it. It's a lot
more common than than people know. Yeah, it was. It was.
I had an amazing opportunity to last year. I got

(01:30:53):
to go speak at the Final four. I spoke to
UM to about eighty coaches about mental health and players,
And after I got done talking, I had numerous come
up and talk to me about you know, they had
different players struggling or you know, just asking questions about
stuff they've they've dealt with and then how to turn
the corner for you know guys that that could happen.
And it was one of those things where it's just like,

(01:31:15):
you know, I had known my impact, but it's just
like seeing and hearing it from people above me that
are these college coaches, and just knowing that you know,
we're gonna make the change soon right to where you know,
mental health is more I'm not gonna say normalized, but better.
And then also in sports, and I think it's just

(01:31:36):
both those are important. All right. We're joined by Trey
Moses Ball State University, former star there now plays overseas.
We're gonna did you play with David Letterman. I'm talking
We're gonna get into show what he knows about see
what I'm talking about two twice for the last year.
Two funny things that that one three Rob, that wasn't
number three. We're gonna see what Trey knows about basketball,

(01:31:59):
about the NBA. So we'll be joined by Tray Moses
in the next segment. Keep it locked right here a
couple Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Odd Couple with Chris Brussar then Rob Parker
weekdays at seven pm Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. All right, we are
joined by our man, Tray Moses NC double a Inspiration

(01:32:23):
Award winner, and now we're gonna find out what he
knows about basketball. He does play just because you play.
They don't know what they're talking about. Play it. Don't
know it exactly, can't talking you're you're about to go
play professionally in Australia. You played three seasons, two seasons overseas, right,
this is my first year over seasons in Bulgaria from August. Okay,

(01:32:45):
don't you remember the time Shock asked Lenny Wilkins, coach,
you know a lot about basketball? Did you ever play?
Lenny Wilkins is one of the top fifty players of
all time. Shock didn't know that, right, So let's see
what Trade knows. All right? Rob and I were talking
about the Lakers and their dances to win the championship.
You just heard his opinion. What is your view? Who

(01:33:08):
is the team to beat in the NBA this season?
And uh, what do you think the Lakers chains are
winning the championship? I think right now the Clippers are
the team to beat, but I think the Lakers take
that next step and win the whole thing this year. Really,
why that man, Lebron James Lebron. Lebron has lost six finals.

(01:33:29):
Do you know that he's the ffault finals failure of
all time? Did you know that this is a team
that he didn't laugh, He didn't give me nothing. He
gave me nothing. Lebron's having fun playing. I haven't seen
chemistry from a Lebron team like this and so long.
The guys, you can just tell they genuinely like playing
with each other, and it's more than just like for themselves.

(01:33:52):
Like I can't remember who said it, but it's like
they all have their own goals and then they all
like they all went to white to regain you cus,
Marie Gang called ball pop, and I think it's one
of those things where this team takes that next step.
Here's my only issue though, when you talk about the Lakers,
do you know what their record is in ten games

(01:34:12):
against the top four teams in the NBA? Do you
know what the record is top four teams in each conference?
Right right? In each conference? Five and five? So the
pretty mediocre against now they beat uppers also be that
much better. Well, I'm just we're talking about the Lakers
now it's ten and eight. I'm just saying that, you
know what I mean, They've struggled, and I get it.

(01:34:34):
Everybody Lebron and remember Lebron did make the playoffs last year,
and everybody's happy. Chris struggled in the regular season with
his picks, right, thank you? You know that, and now
I'm wiping him out. That is a great point, you
know what. That is a great point. Hey, your your
Uber cars outside and they're ready to take you back Australia. Wow,

(01:34:57):
trade dropping look at that. I don't know what they're saying,
all right, So you seem to be a big Lebron fan.
Rob and I both think Michael Jordan is the goat
and Lebron is second, you think Lebron's the goat. I
do think Lebron's the goat. Oh you never saw Michael.
You didn't, you're too young. But at the same time,
I can see why people say Michael's better because he

(01:35:20):
is better. I can see why people say Michael's better.
But to me, Lebron's a goat. But you know, my
top five one and two are interchangeable. No, no, no,
you gotta don't do that. Here, well, you gotta make
a pick. I'm saying Lebron's okay, And then I'm saying
I can see how people say Jordan's a goat. So
from my top five, I can see, like you can say,
I'm not gonna argue, like, I'm gonna just say what

(01:35:41):
you want. We will get to the more of this
with our man Trey Moses. And look you're turned away
in and about ten minutes. Call in now though, because
the phone lines light up really quickly. It's trash talking Tuesday,
coming on trash anyone or anything in the world of sports.
Speaking of a guy who when he was a rapper,
he trashed a lot of people, you know, no legend.

(01:36:04):
Now he's a great actor, director, producer, founder, of the
Big Three three on three basketball league. It's our man,
ice cube. What's happening up? How you yall? What's up
with y'all? Man, How y'all feeling man? Man? Welcome to
the Odd Couple, and congratulations on the moves you've made
with the Big Three. I gotta ask you why, because
the biggest change I see, and I know there are many,

(01:36:27):
but dropping the age limit. No. I saw quotes where
you said you didn't want it to be thought of
as a retirement league, but I thought that's what it was. Like.
I thought it was, you know, for guys once they
were done playing in the NBA to play three on
three so other fans could they didn't get a chance
to see him, might still be able to see him.
So talk about the decision to change, you know, the

(01:36:49):
age limit and all that stuff. Well, it's still a
great place for players who you know, finished with the
NBA to play in the Big Three. So you know,
our makeup is probably mostly still gonna be former NBA players.

(01:37:09):
But we didn't want to stop there. You know, these guys,
you know, we see him playing all the time, and
they're playing with guys all ages, So we didn't want
to stigma with the league, because the league is is
uh really you know, getting a fan base of its
own for the style of play and how we do things. So,

(01:37:34):
you know, we wanted to open the floodgates. You know,
why have any stigma with the league? Just good. We
thought also that might have kept guys away from the
league who didn't want to look retired, who still want
to shot at the NBA court or NBA team, So

(01:37:56):
we didn't want that to happen either. So it just
seemed like the smartest thing to do was to open
it up. And now we can have just the best
five or three players in the world. Now, how do
the x NBA players feel about that, because some of them,
you know, might not be in the league anymore going forward.

(01:38:20):
I think, you know, they love it. It's all about
the competition. You know, this is not charity. You know,
this pro sports. So you gotta be able to play
at this level. If you can't, then you probably shouldn't
be playing with us. Yeah, you know, it's and I
think that's what people respect about the league that it's

(01:38:42):
not a easy win. You have to have a high
basketball IQ and you still got to have your skills
or you're not gonna be successful. So I think, you know,
the ones that's ultra competitive, the ones that are confident
about the game, they're gonna welcome. The ones that was
probably on their way out anyway, probably won't. But you know,

(01:39:07):
I think it's really you know, when you got people
paying their money, you want the best? Are the best?
You don't? You don't want? Um? You know this is
not like a celebrity game. You know what I mean? Right,
mister Cube? Can you as you know, I want to
be a comedian ice Cube so I've always but no,

(01:39:30):
what other changes did you make? Uh for this upcoming season?
What else can fans expect? What we have in our
open tryouts? So we're gonna have a way where guys
can try out and hopefully get an invitation to the Combine. Now,
they're gonna have to go through our Hall of Fame

(01:39:51):
coaches and our you know, uh, our players that are
champions and all stars in first round picks and first
overall picks and that, and they're gonna have to go
through a gauntlet of professional players to get an invitation
to the Combine. So, you know, what's gonna be greatest

(01:40:13):
to see if some new talent emerged that nobody's ever
heard of before. Wouldn't it be great if a guy
tried out, got an invitation to the Combine, got drafted,
did his thing in the Big Three, and then got
an invitation to the NBA. You know, that would be

(01:40:34):
you know, you know, somewhat of a Cinderella story in
a way. So Joe Johnson first became the first Big
Three player to get into the NBA. Right, Well, we
actually had an Xavier silence. You know, he had got
a ten day contract with the Celtics after year one,

(01:40:55):
so Joe's is our second guy. But you know, Xavier
actually got into an NBA game, So it was it
was pretty cool to see that. Um, so you never know,
and you know, the thing is too. Our other rule
that we brought in was to bring the fire rule, right, Yeah,

(01:41:20):
once per half. A coach can challenge any file as
long as it's not a flagrant one or two, and
they can have those two players go one on one
for the call. You know, he does some made bucket
or he you know, if he stopped the bucket, then
the file is wiped off the record. So it's kind
of cool to be able to see guys go one

(01:41:42):
on one in a meaningful competition in the game, and
it's like a penalty shot, you know, and in hockey
er soccer. So it's gonna be real cool to see that,
all right. I like that and were joined by Big
Three founder, Hip hop legend ice Cube and Laker fan
ice Cube. How worried are you about your Lakers? I

(01:42:03):
know they got blown out by the Celtics, not just
one game, but they haven't been able to beat the
Clippers this year and their record against the top four
teams in both conferences is five and five thus far.
Are you concerned that they're maybe not good enough and
they maybe need to make a trade to add something
to the team. Now, I'm not concerned about that, you know.

(01:42:24):
I'm concerned that, you know, without Magic being there, you know,
who's the true bleed purple Laker that tells people how
much these games mean. You know. As far as the Celtics,
it just seemed like they played it like a regular

(01:42:46):
season game and they don't really know how much that
game means to the people in that life. So I
just feel like, you know, that's the only piece that's missing,
is the history that's there telling people how much they
got to win this game. Magic was there. It's been
on them telling them to win that game and the

(01:43:08):
one with the Clippers. So I'm just that's the only
thing I'm concerned about is that they got to realize
their Lakers and they got to know the games they
gotta win. But you know, it's the regular season. You
know you can't. We got the best record in the West.
I mean, how concerned do you have to really be

(01:43:29):
to me? You know? I think you know when you
get when you play in the seven game series, it's
a whole different ball game, Cuba. I picked the Lakers
to win it in the preseason, and I'm wondering about
the dog in them because when they faced the Clippers,
they've outplayed in the first three quarters of both games,
and then in the fourth quarters they can't close. And

(01:43:51):
the Clippers are hungry. They're hungry than the Lakers. The
Lakers look a little all amorous to me, like for Nasa,
I mean, you want that dog. I don't know who
the dog hold up, Chris. The Lakers been together half
a season, all right. The Clippers, they don't have had
a cool team. They had their foundation. They added two

(01:44:14):
great pieces foundation. But our team is still trying to
figure out who's supposed to do what win in the
fourth quarter or whatever. So we're still trying to figure
our team out. So I wouldn't say when got the
dog in it. You know, Let's look and see how
they play after this All Star break and as they

(01:44:37):
try to sharpen up their tools for this playoff run.
All right, I want you to be that guy to
go to them. I know you can get the ad,
you can get the Lebron and put that dog in
the man for real. That's the only thing I see.
I'm saying, like, that's what Lebron Gotta be more aggressive
against the Clippers. I agree, he'll listen to you, you know.

(01:44:58):
I agree. Well, I'm pretty sure he listened to this show,
and we'll hear me. I would need to happen. Hopefully
he does listen to the show. Everybody else does. I'm
just thank you do que man, appreciate it as always, brother,
and good luck with this year the Big Three. We'll
be watching for games. You're on CBS again, right yeah yeah, yeah,

(01:45:21):
yeah man. You know, just thanks for the support and
come out to a game. Man, forget watching you gotta
come out to a game. We'll hit you up. We'll
do doll in La. We're Vegas. Yeah, we'll be out there.
Appreciate you, Thank you. All right, man, God bless all
right this grown up sports fans. This one's for you.
Trash talking Tuesday. Next, it's the ol Couple of Fox

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(01:46:07):
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(01:46:28):
it's a trash talking Tuesday. Turn to trash anyone or
anything in the world of sports. Let's get right to
At eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox. Patrick in
North Carolina. Who you're trashing? Hey, Hey, fellas, how are
you doing tonight? I'm trashing cowboy doll Cerny. You hold
several records in the USC, most wins, most bonses, and

(01:46:50):
most KOs, and a future Hall of Famer at there
in the USC. But you if yet to win the
big fight from the fight this past Saturday against Tom McGregor,
and pass time to fights you have failed to win
any of them. Either step up and win the big
fights or hang up the gloves. It's time for the shoot.
It's time to show the world you are a champion

(01:47:10):
and not just another great fighter. There you go, Patrick,
That's what the passion. Time has passed. Hey, Joseph in
Indiana on the odd Couple of Fox Sports Radio, Who
are you trashing? Joseph? How you guys doing the right? Hey?
Before I give him myself, I thought when received my
ard couple hat, yet, did you give us the right address? Yes?

(01:47:35):
All right, we'll give it to Rob g again and
we'll try it. Okay, you got it already. I'm dropping
Lebron James or eighth k Chairman James. This guy is
a joke. Come. He is the biggest joke when comes
to the NBA. He is a joke and always have
he'll never beat He's a scrub. He will never be

(01:47:55):
a car fired player of all time. He is a joke.
All right, wow, thank you? All right, Let's go to
Tory in Atlanta. Told me, I'm sorry, Toldy in Atlanta?
Who you trashing? What's up? What's up? Rob? What's happening?
What's up? Brother? I am trashing James Harden. I am tired.

(01:48:16):
I am tired unefficiency. I don't know why people call
him the best scoring the league. It's terrible to watch,
ugly to watch when when they aren't calling him, Fould's
just ugly. He out of the six, six out of
the seven worst three point shooting performances blocked to him.
I'm tired at Jenny's goat on the league score. He's
unefficient and he makes the team work. I need Western
to take the league, all right, Toby coming with it? Ye?

(01:48:37):
Let's go to Santos in Arkansas. Santos, you're on with
Christ and Rob? Who you trashing? Let's say? Can I
say congratulation to Derek Jeter Trader cssmate from Coming Central? Oh?
Well okay, yes, and I would like to trash the
person deb corson Why are you trashing deb because he's

(01:48:59):
knowing that that affectionate work. Then I want to hear
who she is that beer dabs on in the morning,
isn't she She's still on the morning right, she does
the morning updates. Yeah, she's still here. She's here, all right, Santos. Thanks.
How about jarn in uh Atlanta? You're on the odd
couple of Fox Sports. Ready, who's you trashing? I'm trashing

(01:49:20):
Kyle Shanahan. This guy was the offensive coordinator for the
Atlanta Falcons. He had a freaking twenty eight to three
lead with the ten minutes left in the third quarter,
and you ran the ball five times to the end
of the game. Now you've been top five picks in
the draft. You got Jimmy Garoppolo. Coincidentally, the quarterback you

(01:49:45):
just gave up twenty eight to three lead to win
a Super Bowl. Man, this guy's garbage. He should have
been fired after that. I agree, but he got a
new job. That was a terrible play calling in that game.
What about Lewis in uh Santa Monica. You're in the
A couple of Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, I got a

(01:50:07):
bone to pick. I've been having a bone with Chris
Bouchard for a long go on. Let's hear it. So
I got rob This is dedicated to you. I got
a call signed for Chris Bussary. It's called Code LJ. Right.
Whenever he loses the NBA Finals, whenever he goes to
another team, whenever he disappoints, whenever he comes up short,

(01:50:29):
they send him out like the bat signal day, contractually,
contractually obligated to defend everything Lebron Jane. Wow, look at
a right to leave him alone? All right, let's go

(01:50:51):
to Mason San Diego. Mason, who you trashing? Bill Simmons,
narcissist d bag who covers ballin sports? This prick is
a fan of a cheating Retsoft and Patriots. I would
love to shove a bull of clam chowder down his throat.
Every time I see or hearer speak, I want to
throw my remote the TV because the high pitched sounding voice.

(01:51:13):
Because if I think he's still a pretty best in
individual whose balls never dropped. This Dvacs had a segment,
don't you take Tony Hawk to come on his garbage
show any given Wednesday? So for it's wipe the people
of San Diego not to vote for a new stadium
and to keep the charges in San Diego. Thanks a lot,
Billy by Mace. Mace. It's a family show, Mace. All right,

(01:51:36):
let's go to Allen in Oregon. Allen, who you're trashing? Yes, guys,
I'd like to trash actually two people. First of all,
almost seriously, I'd like to trash the Portland Trailblazer for
keeping Terry Stotts on. The experiment's gone long enough. If
you want to continue it being a small market and
struggling for eight and seventh, steed, continue with Terry Stott's

(01:51:59):
bringing subs to someone more dynamic, who Lillard's gonna want
to play for, more harder, and who's gonna attract a
better surrounding cast. Secondly, I want to trash ice Cube
for wanting Metric Johnson to be part of the organization.
And I know this is a family show, so I
won't say what I mean by that, but obviously do

(01:52:19):
we need more drama? They're stable and if you want
somebody who wants to talk about himself, he mus as
well have Donald Trump come back. And oh, man, Alan,
I'm not a fan of Magic Johnson, not at all.
All right, Rob you okay, Man, I know the baseball. Look,
I'm not I'm not. I don't say nothing about Springfield anymore.

(01:52:42):
I'm just saying I didn't expect Bonds and Clemens to
get in today. I know that it's going to be
in year ten. I've already saw that. I'm not disappointed
by that. The only thing and Jeter not getting a
hundred all votes are unanimous, Chris, Like I said, I
guarantee it's going to come out that there was a
blank ballot. I think because I can't believe anybody looking

(01:53:03):
at his thirty five hit five championships could not vote
for him, do you know what I mean? It can't.
But it's been so many players it's happened. No. But
I mean after the Mariano thing, it's not like Jeter.
You were like me, you thought he right, But but
it did right because he got ninety nine, he got seven, right.
So we'll probably see more unanimous vote getters, I think,

(01:53:24):
so as we go forward. But I think that there
was a blank one in this Jeter thing. But the
but the but the Larry Walker thing bothers me. That's all.
You can't not vote for somebody for nine years and
then his last year's sympathy. It's a sympathy Hall of Fame.
Now quickly, what if Bonds doesn't get in, then it's
not the real Hall of Fame. I got a problem
with that. I would have a major, major problem. Their

(01:53:46):
numbers keep going up, because if they were going down,
I'd be afraid. The numbers went up this year. Both
all right, I hope you're right. All right, it's the
eye cover. We hope you enjoyed it. Will of course
be back tomorrow. Keep it locked then, Fox Sports Radio

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