Mass Golf Part One

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winning the studio with come on,Angelina, you learn here Angelina, Chad
Stump and and I am Jesse monockelmAnd who's Jesse? Well, first of

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all, thanks for having me.I am the executive we want to have
you. I'm the executive director andCEO of Mass Golf, the State Golf
Association. Okay. And for peoplethat don't cough with the people up at
they don't cough anymore, we're tryingto get them in the family. Get
We'll bring them in. I don'tknow, bet, I was a golf
widow mcolf mother. I've been atgolf. I don't even I don't like

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golf. Okay, I've been theone making a living so big else can
go golf. Okay, but tellme, Jesse, tell me what's going
on out there? You how'd youtake get into this position? Give me
the background, and how do youend up here? Sure? Yeah,
Well I grew up playing. Myfather introduced me to the game. I
was probably about four or five yearsold. Common story, right, I
mean that happens, played a littlebit competitively through high school and then in

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college was like anyone else, whatam I going to do with my life?
Pursued sports management and always knew therewas some sports administration interest, knew
there was an affinity for golf,and cold called a few organizations, the
Mask Golf Association being one, andthey brought me on as an intern my
first summer in school and since thenI stuck around for three summers. They

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hired me when I graduated from school. So you started with them in college.
I did, I did, andI haven't left. So and that's
how many years later? This is? This is year eighteen all in,
so it took you eighteen years tobecome president. Well, I've been in
this world now eleven. So Iran our championships for about six years and
so three years is an intern,about six years running events and now year

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eleven as executive director. And Chow, when did you meet Chessie? How
did you know Chesseay? On dayone? He's noised since I was a
little kid running around out there,what thirteen twelve years old, competing absolutely
one event to the next, andyou watch all these kids chasing the dream.
Yeah, you know, it's it'sinteresting because we serve all levels of
play, right, so you mighthave juniors that are looking to pursue,

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you know, a competitive career inthe game. But on the other end
of it, you might have amid am who just enjoys the game.
They work for a living, butthey have that competitive juice. Maybe they
played in high school, they playedin college, and they still keep that
fire going where they can compete,you know, as a twenty five year
old or even as a senior amateura fifty five and up. We offer
those events for everybody, and Ithink that was what your father wanted to

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do. And don't remember it wascalled the Senior Tour. Yeah, you
want to try out back. Itis a forty fifty senior tour. So
the Mascolf Association does all these typeof tournaments. Yeah, it's one component
of our services. We're an organizationof member clubs. So the clubs in
Massachusetts are a member of our organization. We service them whether it's through handicapping,

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course raiding. But then on thegolfer side, one of our major
show cases is really our championships andour tournaments. So who who heads up
like us AM is that you guys. So the USGA is the national governing
body. We're a partner of theus GA. We're kind of their local
affiliate if you will, and weconduct their local qualifying. So we'll host

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the USAM qualifier in Massachusetts, okay, and then also do the u S
Open call. That's been Chad.Your only turn is that you always come
in like, oh, I've hadthe USAM. I've had so many bad
stories on my home course, BlueHill. It's mah, what's that kid?
Something? Broom, Matt broom.We're going to playoff because I just
go I went wild on the finalnine. We go to one. He's

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in the back of the green.This it's straight downhill. I too put.
I'm going to the us M.This thing hits a come from sixty
feet, go straight up and thenhe takes my spot. Wow yep.
And apparently his friend took my styson the day of the night before.
That was great and his friend hedid. The kid popped the ball.

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Yeah yeah, and at least ifnot it was off the green going into
the friends, you had to chipup and unces, you made the chip.
He's had some crazy like moments.Yeah, it's golf. Let me
tell you're playing against mother nature,right, and sometimes those stars just have
to line up and a your alucky day. It's one of those crazy
you're grinded for every shot out there. Let me tell you that you're working
for every shot. So okay,so tell me about do you see these

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kids that are getting younger and younger? You're how old? Now? I'm
thirty seven, so you're young.But if you ask golfers that are in
their fifties and sixties, they wouldtell you good golfers didn't hit the PGA
till the late middle thirties. Isthat correct? I think years ago that
might have been the case. It'sgetting younger and younger. And how young
are they? Well, several arenot going to college, going right to

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the pros from high school. Really, yeah, we've seen that recently.
But you've also got college has agood development option. You know, a
kid like Michael thorp Jornson, he'she's at Stanford right now and he has
an opportunity to get to the PGATour just by way of his collegiate finishes.
So no more C school for somethinglike that, or there is still

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Q school, but there's other avenuesthrough the sponsors, exemptions and stuff like
that. Oh yeah, that youdon't have to go. And this this
kid, Michael, he's he's astick. He's the real deal. One
thing I would share to just locally. I think the junior golf scene has
changed dramatically. You grew up withit, but it's changed even since him.
It has. Yeah, there's moreplayers number one, and there's more

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talent. You can play year round, right, you can go through simulate.
You know, there's there's different programs, clinics. But here here's my
question to you. If you're livingin Florida, why did you get to
come to mass and sign up here? Easier competition sometimes because they've been playing
all your in Florida, but thatcome back here. Well, given the

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kids actually working, we're kind ofin that snowbird scenario where you might have
families that go down south over thewinter come back for the summer. So
but it is aren't they working thesystem? A bit? A little bit?
But you can't stop that? No. I mean, for us,
if if you're a member of MaskGolf, if you have an affiliation,
a handicap or membership at one ofour clubs, you're eligible to Oh you

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are, so you have to havesome ties to Mask, you do,
but that's easy to get. No, relatively speaking, Yeah, okay,
all right, well let's go offto other questions. Are you happy who
you are? Extremely Yeah, thishas been an incredible ride and seeing a
lot of change over eighteen years.Scotty still over there, No, Scottie

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is. He's worked at actually afew clubs in the South Shore area.
So basically Start is an intern andended up as present eighteen years. So
you ways stuck it out. Idid not your typical millennial right, No,
not at all. Well, youhave the attentions of being a fe
I like that. I okay,I'm the worst person talk golf, Chad.

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You got questions there? This isjoshtick, not mine. There you
go, all right? Did wasworth to support it? All? Okay?
There you go? What it takes. So in your opinion, how
is the Masters's Golf Association evolves sinceits inception? Yeah, it's I'd say
we've professionalized. We've grown tremendously.You know. I even for my time

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within the organization, I feel wewere this mom and pop organization. Yeah,
you know a little bit I'm gonnasay fraternal in a way. But
now I feel we're a community basedorganization that serves any golfer, no matter
how they want to engage a lotof that speaks to a merger that we
UH successfully accomplished back in twenty eighteen, So the Massachusetts Golf Association and the

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Women's Golf Association Massachusetts. We mergedboth organizations, two one hundred year old
organizations into one with the intent tobe of service to any again, any
golferline operation. And that's also doingbecause in the golf world that really didn't
happen before. No, no,there was. It was a bit segmentary,
and you know, call it territorial, but you know, six years

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in, it's it's made us astrong organization and I think more visible.
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ten thirty. And I'm here withAngelina and the Star Child Chad, the
Star Chad go ahead, and JesseMONOCKELM all right, So Jesse knows Chad.
Chad knows Jesse. Chad played golfamateur, went to Europe, you
played for the European Tour, leftMassachusetts, went moved to Florida and still
played the mass events up until COVID. Yep. And I'm coming back and

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hopefully we have a great summer becauseI know the events are awesome. But
now let's get back to this.You will not see me out there for
dinner. No, no, no, because last year up there, hold
on, hold on, you forget. I was leaving. The friends that
we met with us was the sixtysix. Did you hear she had got
kicked out the termin almost she hadto write a letter to you guys.
Did you know what happened the goingout this this Charles River? Oh,

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I was so pissed them. Ihad the woman that helped me raise Chad
and she had cancer in the cartand this kid made such a big deal
about it, and I asked forpermission pro but there was a kid and
then he went to the head.I don't I don't care. So they
found us out there and they saidyou can't have a cart, and I'm
like, this is like the closestthing to Chad besides me being his mom,

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is the second mom. It wasn'tthere and it was nice, came
out. I was nice until theysaid she still can't be here and I'm
like, wow, this is thisis like terrible, right. So I
knew the kid said, Jesse,SI you out there. He's actually told
you put your phone down a coupleof times. So I pulled up into

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the ghost shop and I said,you had to start this, didn't you.
I said, well, let metell you something. You started with
the wrong woman. And then allof a sudden, that night, I'm
getting finned. I walk off theeighteenth Green just happy as hell. I
just shot six under. I'm goingat it with Herbie and my dad calls
me. He goes, cheat,I don't think you play tomorrow. I
go, what do you mean?I go, I go ahead, didn't
do anything. I'm thinking, like, did I dismiss a dibbit or something

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like? What's going on? Hegoes your mother? I go, what
the hell did she do? Andthen I heard the story. I go,
oh God, I go, she'snot gonna write the letter. I'm
gonna have to write this. Iend writing a letter that I know.
I wrote a letter and I sentit and I think FITZI wrote the letter
and then I signed it and sentit. I'm like, I'm not apologizing.
I keep everything. You have toapologize to challenge. I apologize.

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So that that's my crazy story.I maybe had a couple more crazy stories
out there. Oh in the USopened a couple of times. Your phone's
just ringing, and it's always onthe par fourards at whole number three with
where the bunker in the front atPine Hills, and then it goes down
to part four of the water onthe right. Meanwhile there's ten of us
with shat a Pine Hills. Herphone's going. I do remember there's always

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like, yeah, always there wasa pretty good group. Always not because
it would be it would be mycaddie Mic and my dad does she had
to come. She can't drive alone. So be three people, four people
and they just don't know any golfedit, you know. And then Steve
and all your buddies show up likeyou always had like ten twelve people up
there. But go ahead, butthey're not stressful to have out there.

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But all right, let's go backto the Mask Association. How's it evolved?
Yeah, so I would evolve fromwhere from where you were a kid
to now from actually let's go fromyour start from when you started with the
mask off today. Well, again, I would say we've grown in stature.
We've grown, you know, froma volunteer based organization now with a

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staff of about twenty seven. Youknow, when I started, we had
a staff of about eight, veryreliant on our volunteer network to you know,
really run the organization and be thefront face of the organization. You
know, as technologies evolved, asthe games evolved, services, et cetera.
You know, we need to supportour golfers and our clubs in a
different way. So we still verymuch rely on volunteers, but there's a

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machine now behind the operation. We'reover one hundred year old organization, so
we were established in nineteen hundred.You know, early on, right,
the likes of Donald Ross Francis wemet. I mean, these are the
legends within the game, not justhere in Massachusetts but beyond, and you
know they're kind of the foundation ofgolf here in the state. Then you
go to the likes of Pat Bradleyand moving on to the Frank Vanas and

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Marie Tobns, Harry McCracken. Right, Ryah, another ambassador of the game.
So it's important that wed I messhim. He was a legend,
he was a good friend and tome, oh yeah, good role model
all that. But you know,it's important for us that we you know,
honor respect the traditions of it.But how do we continue to evolve

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as an organization and making sure thatwe sustain this game long term? Well,
keep the tradition. I like that. And now so with evolving,
Now, you said you joined withthe Women's League and all that. Are
there any co ed events for thelisteners out there where you know, say
a boyfriend and girlfriend, husband andwife are two good golfers, they want

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to link up and play a tournament. Do you guys offer that? Yeah,
absolutely, we have a handful ofthem, and actually one of them
has become a mixed four ball championship. So this was something new for the
organization. Once we merged, wefelt, is there an opportunity to bring
our top players from the male sidethe female side and have them merge together.
You see combinations of Matt parzy Allyand Shannon Johnson, two of our

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best players nationally pairing up as ateam, Herbie Aikins and Megan b Sue
curtain Frank Vanna. You know,in a very natural way, this became
really a stable calendar and it justtook off. So it's partnering up a
female and the male. Yeah,which has never really never happened because honestly,

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female weren't really a lot of golfcourses to when it probably depends what
part of the country or the massmass was late late, yeah, relatively.
Yeah, mass is real old traditionalgolf coy. I remember even at
Spring Valua when we first longed toSpring Valley, I was in my early
twenties. I was twenty three.Dad could go out there early. We

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got to look four o'clock. No, no, no, like twelve one
o'clock after lunch. The women couldgo out there and play. I think
you'll find a lot of that typeof policy is still there. No,
it's gone six that is faded,and there were some clubs that you couldn't
even bring your kids to the countryclub. I mean, you want to
talk about down south, they stillhave some of their ways with their clubs

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and stuff. Oh no, we'rein Massachusetts. Yeah, even we're airing
in thirty seven states, we're inMassachusetts. So we'll stay with the mask
because yeah we do. But andspecifically stand this show right now, we're
able to champion, you know,the women's game and having events like this
So I have a question like whowould Lexi Thompson, Lexi and Chad go

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back to kids? Very close tono, but who would they partner her
up with if she wanted to play? You choose? So I would play
with Lexi, but I can't becauseshe's a professional. There's actually on the
professional tours, there's some I thinkbehind the scenes discussion as to a mixed,
a potential mixed. It hasn't gotto that level yet. Didn't they
just do some small event where theysaid two and two? They did?

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Lexi played with uh yeah, downin Florida. Yeah, yeah, the
match, yeah, the master happened. Yeah. But isn't she playing on
the PGA Men's No, she playedone event I think most recently. That's
right. Yeah, she's exclusively onthe LPGA tour. But I think she
had a sponsor exemption to a PGAtour. And let me tell you,
she kept up. Have you metmany women that can play absolutely better than

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put In on the same tea,Well, let me give you an example.
I mentioned Shannon Johnson a few minutesago. So Shannon won the US
Women's mid Am just a couple ofyears ago, and she has signed up
and played in several predominantly male eventsof ours, call it our mid Am
Championship. Successfully competed in that event. She qualified for it. You had

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Mollie Smith compete in the Mass Amateurlast year, which and howl. So
Molly's in college now she's a freshmanin college. Shannon is, Uh,
she's a mid am probably late thirties. So they're there are They're out there,
and they can definitely compete, butthey can't play on the PGA Men's

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They have to again Lexi, Lexidid play, so there's the ability to
play. Is she the first oneto play on the men's I don't know.
I don't think she is. Thenwe shall we play the male event.
Yeah, I can't remember off hand, but I know I mean we
played in the women's amateur public links. Yeah. Right, Well, then

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I have a female question here.I'm gonna ask the hard questions. I
always ask the hard questions, Right, why do male golfers make more money
than female golfers? In your opinionor you don't have an opinion, that's
a good one. Now that's well, I think you're starting to see that
shift a bit. You know,you're seeing the US Women's opens perse increase.

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I think it's getting up to twelvemillion dollars. And what's the men's
uh, I can't remember off thetop of my head. It might be
it might be in the around twentythereabouts. Yeah, you know. Then
I guess the argument might be eyeballsand awareness and and they like to watch
the men's better. I mean,that's it. It comes down to.

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It comes down to sponsorship, payadvertise. That's what it comes down.
So, yep, it's okay women, you can't complain. We've come a
long way. But actually no,but it's it's upcoming. I think things
are changing quite rapidly. Rapid Yeah, and now do you see any and
that's kind of hard, but actuallywe come back to that. All right,
we'll hold that thought. We're goingto break chat and we'll let you

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Chad's got a lot to say today. I'm not Okay, there you go.
I'm backing off of this one becausethese are the golfers, right.
I know when it's my lane.I know when I'm off I ninety five.
I'm not on I ninety five.I'm not on driver, I'm on
he sed I'm I'm in the castseat. Okay, go ahead, boys.
She's like happy Gilmore comes. I'mhappy Gilmore comes to golf. Just
destructive. That's a good thing,all right, Jesse. So another question

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I have. What initiatives or programshas a Masschosists Golf Association undertaken to promote
the sport and foster community engagement.Yeah, we are a five and one
C three charity and we've been andwhat's the five O one C. I
mean, we're a nonprofit organization andour development arm is ultimately around junior golf
and we've been a champion of firstt National program under the PGA Tours umbrella.

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This is an opportunity for us tobring young kids into the game,
but teach them core values of life. And skills and really to be great
people long term, and we getthem on the golf course through instruction,
through coaching, and what have you. And we're twenty years in. We
are hugely proud of this program servingall of Massachusetts. And on top of

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that, another program that's a littlebit newer for us, it's called Youth
on Course, and we feel thisprogram complements the first t as it's an
opportunity to get kids on the golfcourse where they pay no more than five
dollars per round and we subsidize thebalance of that round at any facility that
they participate at. So it's away to get these kids on the golf
course, to make it accessible,yep, and affordable. One of the

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big challenges that we face as anindustry. Golf can be expensive in certain
markets, right, and we wantto make sure that we're getting more kids
in a game, that it's affordableto them their families, and that there's
no barrier to entry. And nowdo you think with all that, do
you think with bringing these kids ina young age teach them, they're also
learning life lessons through this game andmorals that which kind of our country is

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kind of lacking right now, wedo you think the game of golf teaches
that, you know, that's that'sreally the foundation of first tea, right,
But think about it. You know, whether you're you're playing caddying the
people that you're with, the etiquettethat you're learning on the golf course.
You know, respect, integrity,honesty, perseverance, all these values right
that are going to help you inyour career. Accountability, No, I

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have. Let me tell you,it comes back to you. One thing.
I would one thing about Chad.He would never lie on his and
I'd say to his father, everybodyelse is lying, why isn't he?
And Joe would say that's not agentleman sport, that's right. And I
remember Joe saying that accountable if heever threw his club, Oh my god,

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Oh no, Joe is going togo like, I'm walking your club,
and don't you ever cheat on yourscore like they played for my bank,
Village bank, like they use thoseguys just like all the time.
Completely a completely different world. Hecompletely different. I'm talking about that world.

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I want to tell all you malegolfers that get up there and lie
and you put those scores that youreally didn't hit those scores, you're liars.
You collect the gifts, and youshould feel guilty because that's like not
even impossible. That comes out whenyou play with the actual person about this
one. They're playing and chat shootsa hole in one right, like like
they brought a score that was crazy, and I'm like the president my bank,

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I'm like, how how did they? I shot sixty two that day
and we lost? Because how canthese kids? I have my stupid question.
It's like only asked stupid questions thatcomes off. Can these kids cheat
without you guys knowing it? Hot? Well, let's let's so so Chad
knows, right, he's played,I played numerous events. You know,

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yes, yes she can, andI've seen it done firsthand. But then
I've also seen it catch up toyou. But let's talk about why.
It's a little easier than the pros. So, yes, you have a
marker at the amateur level, butyou only have one you got. It's
an honor system, it really is. You got to be truthful and you
know you play the same ball.You can't change. You have to say

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the same market. You have tofind that ball. There's kids out here.
You go in the woods and ittakes two seconds to you know,
drop a ball. Some kids maybeget a little foot edge just to get
a little fluffly and then the catchit or you don't, I mean,
you kind of don't want to be, you know, that person to catch
them because then the conversation will happen. But yes, there's cheating that goes
on at a lower level of golf, right chesse professional And when you catch

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these kids, what happens like doyou say, like, well, hey,
we're we're you know, a rulesgoverning body, right, we've got
to run an equitable competition or eventfor all the players that are in the
field. It's likely that we're goingto have a conversation with that player,
maybe a parent, if they're aguardian, if they're around, and you
know, at times maybe it's aneducation opportunity. But if you're in an

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amateur championship or you know, amid am, it's a different different scenario.
You know, if that were tohappen, it's going to come to
light. Oh let me tell youshape in the golf world, you'll be
known and you don't want that name? Is that true, Chad? You
just say that in the golf world, you don't want to be known as
a cheater. Well, I meanin any in any way of life,
in anyway that way. But it'sa game of life, it really is.

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So when you guys go out thereand you play these amateur events,
isn't something in the golf cut withyou most of the time you walk in.
No, but you have one marker, you have officials out there,
but it's you have trees. Youcatch one little thing. The guy times
a right. Like you say,if I'm walking right behind you can't go
behind, then you can't hear you. If you're away from the mic,
Chad, we're not on TV anymore, one radio. If I just walked
right behind him real quick, right, No, you can see you walking

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home. So if I walked rightbehind him for two seconds, like a
second, I could drop a ballso fast you wouldn't even see it because
the tree is covering you. Gotit. So say he's a tree,
I walked by him, you couldn'teven see it. So it's the honest
system being kept with the next generationkids, I would say it is.
Yeah, we're doing as much aswe can to educate it, to preach
it. Hey, it's a partof the game. A father's out there

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as much as they used to be. Yes, I would say parents are
out there quite a bit. Wedon't run a ton of junior events,
but for those that we do,the parents are paying the club. We've
got certain policies that keep would beus. Just your famous in the MGA,
Thank you. I got to befamous for Rego. Okay, all

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right? So do you think thekids and again I'm gonna ask the dumb
questions, not the hard questions,right because I'm a dummy in this game.
Do you think having the parents outthere cause more pressure on these kids
than the kids were just out therehaving a good time playing In many cases,
yes, I think it depends onon their presence, on you know,

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what they're doing. Are they beingencouraging or relationship and the relationship right?
And then what happens off the golfcourse? Right? Is it going
blow by blow? This is whatyou did? Well? This is what
you didn't or was it did youhave fun out there? Sport? Right?
Then? But there are kids thata father is that he had a
father that was a scratch golfer.Sure, so it's not like he had

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a father that's was a country clubgolfer, you know, or no golfer.
So of course his dad was goingto give him honesty, but as
had Timmy Tarney, who's like anolder brother to me my whole life.
And so he put a club inmy hand three years old. There's a
mentor there, right, Yeah,mentor your dad put the club in Timmy's

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here and you see how it went. Yeah, he was working for your
dad as a lot boy. Hecame out of his HackMaster we used to
call him, and Joe put theclub in his hand. That's when he
found in love of golf. Andthat's the beauty of the game. Yeah,
exactly, exactly. So that wasjust my dumb question at all.
You can go back to your smartypant questions. Well, let me let

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me jump on the smarty pant questionagain. I mentioned first T and youth
on course, but we're seeing anothernew initiative coming from the USGA. This
is something from Mike wand the newCEO there. He was the former LPGA
commissioner for about eleven years, buthe recognized in his role as commission of

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the LPGA that there weren't a lotof Americans at the top of the leader
board for LPGA events. That istrue reason being we don't have a formal
junior development program for golf. Wehave it for all other sports, right
hockey, baseball, soccer. Wehave all these other countries that have a
formalized program for golf. They havehouses in Florida, Arizona where they bring

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and kind of raise these kids,teach them, develop them, provide different
services that they might need to improvetheir game and develop in their game.
So we are actually launching, We'reone of seven pilot programs across the country
to create Team Massachusetts, So ajunior golf development initiative that we hope will
bear fruit down the line. Andperhaps you see a young girl from Massachusetts

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at the top of the or boyat the top of the leaderboard. And
what do you think do you thinkyou'll see in the female World's go to
LPGA? Do you think you'll seemore female American golfers out there? I
do think after ten years, thisis going to create a pipeline, you
know, whether it's through high schoolgolf, a j G, a USGA
competition's college golf, and then hopefullyat some time, you know, the

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tours. If things are successful,I would love to see it. Even
though I played for Italy, Istill love to see the United States too
good. My producer is knocking meon the shoulders. That means I got
to get off my phone because Ican't keep it with a conversation and go
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made and welcome back to Toughest Nailson w b Z News Radio ten thirty
And I'm City Stumpo and I'm herewith Angelina, Chad and Jesse Monocle.
Chad. You your last name?Yeah, your son usually what's your last

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name again? Grilla? No,it wasn't it was, It's stump She's
not feisty anymore. Would you sayit's going to be what would you say
it's going to be Stumpo? Yes? Oh you sure about that? Very
sure? Okay, I'll be thegolf widow taker, you'll be the golfer.
I'll be the golf widow, thegolf widow. Ye, yes,
I'll be divorced. You need tounderstand that, Yes, maybe it'll be

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a team. Yeah, I wantto caddy for me, right, she's
have We've seen that out in thePG to just watch. So let's get
back to this listeners out there.I hope everyone's having a wonderful night.
Actually my list is like to listento see who my kids are dating and
then they try to picture like whatthey We'll come back with the reality show
you all back to TV. Neverhad it up. Honestly, I think

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I need one. But let's talkabout how the game's evolving. And in
my opinion, because I worked withFirst Team Miami Dade for a little while
and I did a lot of workwithin the city kids, I brought my
own clubs for them and stuff likethat taught them. Do you see a
lot more of that mass? Now? Still? Are you guys developing a
program for that here? Do youguys have that? Yeah? Great question?

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And you know, again, asI spoke earlier with our first TEA
program, that's where I'll put somefocus and energy because the intent there is
underserved communities. You know, wherecan we bring golf to those that need
it that can't afford it too?First and foremost City of Boston has been
a champion location for us. We'vehad our first tea program at Franklin Park
since twenty fifteen and it's been hugelysuccessful. You know, it's tied into

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parks and rec. Kids have anopportunity to participate in the program for free
three seasons out of the year.On top of that, we're down in
Brockton, We're at dw Field,which has been another home run. We're
out in Springfield as well. Sotrying to put some like I said,
some energy and focus in these partsof the states that really we want to

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see golf thrive. And you know, the municipalities, the parks and rec
departments, they've all been hugely supportiveand it's allowed our game to grow and
thrive. And we're seeing these kidskind of graduate on become members of you
know, our organization, competitors andcertain events and seeing a ton of success
from that. Yeah. Well,also one of my friends actually in Boston.

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Have you ever heard of urban Golf? I have, So that's one
of my really good friends, prettygood. I did a little lesson last
year with him in Franklin Park.Just love to see like all those inner
city because they like it. Butit's hard to focus them real quick,
but once they get it, theyall in love with it. And I
mean, I don't know if youguys ever met, but i'd love to
introduce you guys. Maybe I thinkyou're speaking about Marcos. Yeah, Marcos,

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well, yeah, absolutely, Jesse. Where can parents find these programs?
So you can start with our websiteat massolf dot org. You can
also go to first Team mass andthrough those websites you can check out the
programming, the scheduling. I mentionedthree seasons out of the year. We

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also do have off season programming,so indoor clinics at boys and girls clubs,
you know, gymnasiums, virtual golfas well. Right, so there's
a ton of different options for them. That's awesome, all right. And
with all that, with all theyou know, the technology coming up.

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Yeah, can you how can yousay, like has the technology impacted like
the golf world it dramatically? Youknow, let's talk about question. That's
okay, I got the interviewed.All my clients want golf simulas in the
house. Everyone, it's it's hey, it's a way to keep the golf

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clib in your hand. Twelve monthsout of the technology get out of a
golf simulator. You can, youabsolutely can. And not only that,
but you can get data right andit can you can analyze your swing and
get feedback from coaches through video technologyand you can see all your all your
angles, you know, swing speeds, everything. So it's becoming tool.

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Even if you just have a net, you get a track, you can
see everything on the computer. Comeon these golf simulas I'm putting in houses
Like yeah, I'm saying, ifyou want to got that putting green and
the little cheaper side. I guessif you want a golf in the winter
time? Do you think they're simulatinggolf? They're blowing up. I see
them opening them up everywhere. Nowwe have we've seen league play you know

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where folks. You know it's there'salso the social element too, right,
whether it's your your top golf experienceor uh is there the top golf is
or are you outside playing on topof it? Why you're indoor lire heated
base tape but you're hitting out indoorout door. And my last question,
and I have no more, therest is on you in chat. If

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one more person tells me. Inmy twenty year career with chat that golf
is not a sport. Can Ipunch them in the eyeballs and like hold
them? Yes? And then canI put my pants in your ears?
Because to this day they still sayit's not a sport. There's athletes the
hardest. It's one of the hardestgames. I think it's hardest. Is
golf considered a sport? But thankyou? I think that can be answered

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differently by how you engage with thegame. Is it a sport or not?
Absolutely? And how long have peoplebeen saying that it's not a sport
until COVID, I think, well, I mean, just look at these
athletes right on the LPGA or PGA. No, look at the athletes at
all. One of the NBA playersbased you know, baseball basketball think they

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could hit the ball, couldn't hitthe easy. He couldn't even touch it.
And I finally got him hit it. He was hit a seven,
nine, one fifty. But allmy addicted, all my athletes that live
in my homes, they always say, can chat teach me? Can chatt
teach me? Because they think it'sa sport. Thinks it's a sport.
I think about it too post postcareer. If they're an NBA player or

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NFL player. Right, they're notplaying these sports until they're fifty years old.
They need a competitive atmosphere. Howdo they get that competitive outlet?
And golf becomes for a lot ofthem. Yeah, Like I played with
Lawrence all the time in Florida.Man, he just loves competing. He
just came out that mental state.They just love to compete. You know
a couple of NBA players that werein the bubble back in the pandemic right
Orlando. They had a lot oftime in between their games. They were

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this this fraternity where they really couldn'tgo anywhere. They were eating together.
There were golf courses in that facilityGate. All they would do is play
golfer. And the guys are young. But when the Ryder Cup came to
the country club, Michael Jordan wasin town, cam they that was with
all of them hanging out like theywere playing, they were watching. Then

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they would play their own games andthey were having a ball. Yeah.
Who fell off the balcony that yearbecause he got so drunk. I will
not say I keep that one.There's certain things I can't discuss, But
I just want to say this becausea lot of people say this, golf
is not a sport. Have wesaid now, golf is a sport?

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Yes, okay, RD Golf's asport. If anyone wants to argue that,
go pick up a golf club,yeah and go shoot. Yeah,
let me know if you can makea bird or a par I just I
think you got to look at youknow, the best players in the world
and how they train and how theyprepare themselves to be the best in the
world. Right, it looks alot different than it did years ago.
Oh yeah, now everyone's at shay. It's a full times it's a full

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time job, it is. Ihave another dumb question. Sorry, this
will be my last dumb work,I promised, Like, I'm sorry.
We're out here hitting balls to ourhands are bleeding. That's how much you
have to practice. Did Tiger Woodschange this game forever being one of the
youngest guys to come out there andplay the way he played. Yeah,
you know at that time, hemade it relevant for the next generation.

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Yep, no one worked out hestarted that. Okay, I'm done with
my dumb questions. You know thepandemic, right, it was an unfortunate
time, but great time for thegolf. Well, it was a boon
for the industry. It absolutely was, and I think it became relevant once
again. I think there's been somechanges, and I think this is why

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people don't want to go They wantto do this. Don't go to work,
go to work thing. Don't wantto go to the office because they
go to play golf. Okay,yeah, they' bring to laptops so there
they do zoom calls. Yeah,I think you're seeing more rounds early in
the morning and then more rounds atfour o'clock in the afternoon than I agree.
They're getting their licks in right,all right, So let's get back
to this. What are some uniquecharacteristics or features? A little dumb question?

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No, stupid question. Good,I have another one. I'll play
it. No, I'm all donewith my dumb questions to payroll. What
are some unique characteristics or features ofgolf culture in Massachusetts compared to the other
regions. So a couple things.Uh. One, I would start that

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two thirds of the facilities in Massachusettsare publicly accessible. So I think that's
that's something we should champion, right, anyone can get on these facilities and
enjoy the game. On top ofthat, let's talk about the territory of
the state. Right, you gofrom Cape Cod, you know some tourists
type attractions all the way to Westernmass You've got two very different experiences.

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Exactly in between, we've got aplethora of nine hole venues. And to
me, I think a nine holevenue allows for, you know, an
easy way for folks to bake golfinto their lifestyle. Right. It's a
shorter experience, a little less intimidatingin some respects. You can fit into

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your schedule whether you're you know,a working parent, right, You've you've
got to juggle kids activities. Yetan hour and a half, an hour
and a half go play night holesright now? For the listeners out there,
where are a lot of these nightwhole courses? How about this?
I gotta step in hold. Ithought we're going to break on Cidney Stump
and he listens to WBZ News Radioten thirty. It'll be right back to
you. Yeah, it's me again, would you know? And welcome back

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to Toughest Nails on WBZ News Radioten thirty And I'm City STUMPO. I
got another dumb question, Jess.We have too much to cover it,
Okay, can you just come backnext weekend so we can do a two
part of here. Just make sureit's not seventy five degrees and sunny.
Okay, it won't be, Ipromise, because I might be on the
golf course with you. No,you won't be eight o'clock at night.

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You're not on the golf course eighto'clock. Yes, you are, actually
all right. I can get onyou absolutely boom. How do people get
in touch you, Jesse Fast,our website maskolf dot org, or on
social playmask golf. Repeat that,maskolf dot org. Our website and our
social handles, play mask golf.One more time, maskolf dot org and
our social handles play mask golf.And if you didn't get that, then

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I don't know what's wrong with you. People, have a great, safe
weekend, and I'll see you nextweekend. This is Cindy Stumpo toughes Nails
WBZ News, raded ten thirty