Mass Golf Part Two

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Episode Transcript

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alone, she's the best person onthe planet. Cindy Stumpo is tough as
nails and welcome to Toughest Nails onWBZ News Radio ten thirty and we have
dragged Jesse back into the studio.Haven't seen it in a while. How
you been a great thrilled to beback. Thank you. We tell the
audience, I'm Jesse Manackham. I'mthe executive director and CEO of Mass Golf.

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Okay, how many weeks it takefor my producer to get you back
in here? We did some negotiating. Okay, that's a good thing.
Welcome back, Welcome back, Jesse. Sure, And I asked obviously for
mister Chad stump Out to be backin here since golf is not anything that
I should know everything about golf,right since my kids were playing it.
It's a passion project for him.It's passion for him. But again it's
not been cheap and never sending himto IMG Academy, right, So somebody's

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got to actually go to work tomake the money to have done all this
right, and then I could behonest chasing that ball around for like eight
hours. I don't know how youguys do that, Like I could get
a lot. So it's all mentalAnd back to the MGA and all the
amazing things they've done. What effortsare being made to attract and retain younger
generations of golfers a mass. Yeah, I think it's you know, how

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can the game game be welcoming,inclusive, fun? You know mentioned programs
earlier, first T Youth on course, you've got drive, chip and putt.
You know, an initiative from theMasters, the USGA PG of America
where any kid can sign up ina fun competition have the chance to play
in the national finals. That agust the national right, how good is

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that get On top of that,the PGA of America has a program called
PGA Junior League, So it's basicallylike Little League Baseball for golf, where
you've got some team competitions. Theyplay in a fun, relaxed environment,
travel around and I think it's aclever way to get kids engaged and enjoy
the game together. On top ofthat, you know some off course activities

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that have been successful on ramps forthe game. And we talked previously about
top golf, drive shack. You'vegot you know, new technology and fused
mini golf venues. Right to me, anytime you get a club in someone's
hand, in a kid's hand,it's it's going to be impressionable, right,
and it's an opportunity to get themto become an offer for life.
Yep. So you guys do alllike the physical stuff, teaching and all
that. Now let's talk about thereally important side of the game, the

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biggest six inches between the Do youguys do any work with mental mental side
of golf as an organization, wedon't. You know, it's not stacked
into one of our services, butthere's many groups out there that do you
know, sports psychology is becoming avery big industry. You know, you've
got organizations out there like core Golfand NATICK. You know Bill mcinernie involved

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as a as a coach, ateacher, ian highfield. I mean,
this is an important part of thegame that's going to allow kids to be
successful playing, you know, atthe highest level potentially yep. And now
how with this also the technology inthese kids? How's a game? In
my opinion of courses are huge.The game is way more powerful than it's

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ever been. Do you think it'sjust the working out from the new generation
or do you think these clubs arewell corked up? Am I? In
my words, I think it's acombination of things. I mean, the
clubs I grew up playing on arenowhere near you know what, kids have
available these days, right, SoI think you've got to You've got to
give a tip to the cap,to the technology, but also the way

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kids are working at it and kindof being instructed. You're you're seeing a
lot more athleticism. For one,I think you're you're seeing you you talk
about, you know, between theears, right, some of these kids
I see they're just fearless out there, right, They'll grip it and rip
it. They don't care how hardor how fast they're swinging. They want
the ball to go far. Andthat's the advantage that they're they're helping them.

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That's the old school way of teachingright there. In some respects.
Yeah, you can't teach it.I twitch muscles at certain age. You
got to grow up doing that.But also, where do you see this
golf welb going with all this technologygetting more head ball far, these courses
getting longer. What do you seeany stop to this? I don't know.
I see technology just just being amajor component to the advancement of the

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game. You know, whether that'sfor sustainability efforts right off course itself,
you know, managing the game operationally, but you know, for swing,
for mechanics, for coaching, it'shere to stay. You know, the
track man systems of the world,right, You're getting instantaneous data. That's
what That's what people want in thisworld, in this in this day and
age, right, And if that'sgoing to help you, if that's going

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to help you advance in your career, no matter where that that may take
you. I think it's going toshow coaches, you know that you've got
more than just a scoring record rightfrom your competitive events. You know you
can dial into the data of youknow, your your up and down green
and regulation. You know, youcan really get hyper focused. Yeah.
And so are any upcoming projects orinitiatives that the MASK Associations are excited about.

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I would say, you know,really just collaboration with some of our
affiliate organizations. We work very closelywith the new ingle PGA US Challenge cup.
I mentioned on the last show theUS Development Program, and I think
that's something we are really excited about. It's it's a new endeavor. Uh,
it's going to create a whole newplatform for junior golfers. So we're

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excited for year one to see wherethat that goes and hopefully it it can
morph into something pretty big. Andsubstantial for the state in your opinion.
You know you've been around golf yourwhole life. Where do you want to
see the golf world in Massachusetts go? I would love to see, you
know, the sustainability of the gamefor one, right, keeping people in

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the game no matter at what stagein their career or life they're in.
You know, if they have theability to be competitive, great, If
it's more of a recreational sport forthem, nothing wrong with that, right,
So how can we make sure foranyone interested in golf there's an outlet,
there's an opportunity, there's a wayfor that to fit into their daily
activity, right. I think we'restarting to see the game become more relevant.

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We're seeing laps golfers come back intothe game. We're seeing a lot
of new golfers, golfers of youknow, different diversity, a lot more
women playing the game than ever before. So, you know, I keep
saying that it's it's become relevant ofit again. I think you know that's
because you can you can make itwhat you want of it. Right,
If it's an hour of practice andso fashion, you know, you don't
have to play that traditional eighteen holeround anymore. You can play nine,

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you can play six holes. Youknow, a lot of facilities have a
different, unique type of loop.You know, that'll get you started,
get you back to the clubhouse inthe car, and you can get home
and make dinner. Stupid right there. But so, you know, playing
golf in Florida and all around theworld, you know, playing the European
Tour, I see as diverse.It's very diverse out there, which is

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amazing. How is the diversity ingolf in Massachusetts. It's improving, and
you know, we're we're making somestrides in that effort. We want to
make sure our community is as diverseas it possibly can be. You know,
if that's increasing, you know,first t programming in different parts pockets
of the state, if it's increasingour ability to offer affordable access to kids

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through youth on course, we wantto be champions of that. We want
to work with facilities, with leadershiparound the state, with our affiliate organizations
as well. There's more that canbe done. I think we're just scratching
the surface there. So something we'reexcited about. I love it. And
for the golf world, you know, everyone thinks about golf, as you
know, it is prima donnas sportand all that. What are the misconceptions

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are golf in your opinion, Well, I think you kind of hit the
nail on the head. There areeven well it's changed a lot, I
mean, even from you know,I think the old, old traditions and
such are starting to kind of morphinto you know, the culture of where

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we are in twenty twenty four.You're seeing golf clothing look a lot different
than I never did. You're seeingpeople engage in the game in a much
different way. You know, you'vegot music out on the golf course and
some some capacities. You know,that's not everyone's cup of tea, but
you know there's some acceptance to that. You're seeing hoodies at the golf course,
right, Yeah, So you know, little things like that I think,

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you know, are starting to getpeople more comfortable. Yeah, change
attract a different audience. So it'snot also uptight. They are a little
more loose out there, welcome.But I do think there's a balance there,
right, because you're you're bringing alot of new people into the game.
They may not be as educated withwith etiquette and ways to treat the
golf course. Things of that.Nature pace of play. Right, So

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somehow, you know, I thinkwe have an obligation, along with other
industry representatives, to make sure thatwe strike that balance and we continue to
educate all that air playing the game. Okay, hold that thought. We're
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You know. Welcome back to ToughNails on WBC News Radio ten Thory
and I'm Citney Stumpo, and I'mhere with Angelina, and I'm here with
and Jesse. I just may goodquestion. I'm coming out of the last
time I settle the dumb questions.I'm going back to dumb Okay, we're
making the turn. We're making theturn. Yeah, I need I need
some I need. Like all youpeople do is talk about golf. I

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know it's a golf show, butI'm like, okay, golf, golf.
I listen, truthfully, you've beengolfing your whole pretty much your whole
life. So like you got married, you had children, and we're still
playing Sage and Sunday's Golf. Nooh, you were right, So it
happened. What happened is we hadwe have several obligations and activities that are

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fun to be a part of.Right, I wouldn't be in politically correct
yet. Well, but given seriousness, right, I mean, given the
opportunity. Yeah. Like, Iknow when I was married, if if
joking' golf that six days or golffive days and he wanted to golf,
he'd pouts. So I'd be like, just go golf then, because it

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was worth it for you to gogolf. Come back six hours later,
and then you're not pouting anymore.Do you know what I'm saying? I
do, I do, I goso there many times have you pouted with
your wife like you really want togo golf and not do what she really
wanted to do. I'm without causingit, right, I'm around golf.
It's my job, it's my life. It's a passion, et cetera.

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You know, married eleven years,streak, he's being politically quirk to save
his marriage right now. I don'tknow. I think Stephanie appreciates and understands.
Okay, well, Stephanie, ifyou say to Stephanie like out of
nowhere, you know, I reallyjust want to go play eighteen holes and
nine holes. We'll make it work. We'll figure it out. We'll figure
it out so there's no ball breakin like nose times, there can be

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sure. Yeah, but I pickmy spots. How about that? Okay,
that's a good thing. Yeah.So when do you believe that golfers
to get to the next level haveto be the most selfish people at some
point until I get there. Ithink there's an argument for that. But
for any sport or any high levelprofession, there's got to be some some

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self serving selfishness. The one thingI noticed with all my professional athletes,
and god knows, in thirty sixyears, I've had many many, many
come through Boston, whether they've beenBruins players, Soult's players, Red Sox
players, not a lot of footballplayers because they go out further out.
I've noticed one thing in Calm withall the wives, they are behind those

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men, and a lot met tocollege. It seems like they prepare with
the right meals, the right foodright, and then when those men get
to a higher level and they're makingmassive contracts, I see the chefs come
in, but I see the womendoing all the heavy lifting at home,
the kids. This the that Ihad a player get traded, they lived

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in Brookline and didn't even know he'sgoing to get traded and boom, she's
got to send his He just goesright from the locker room and goes right
to his next place, is goingthe next state, and the wife organizes
his clothes to get to the nextstate. It's a tough job on the
wives, no doubt. And it'sit's to me. It's about the support
system, right, So let's talkabout let's think about the window of opportunity

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for any elite athlete, right,that might be from eighteen to twenty eight.
There you go, eighteen to twentyeight. You've got to capitalize in
ten years time, right, Soyou're going to need that support system to
take care of those odds and ends, right and build a team that that's
going to allow you to put yourenergy and focus in the training and the

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well being and the and the healththe psychology that we talked about earlier.
It's more than a full time job. You know, you're committing yourself to
be at that level to capitalize onthe return on investment. Right. Do
you notice that golfers need more mentalcondition than others because it's just them,
it's the ball. Yeah, Iguess I would. I would respond in

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the club, yes, because it'salso an individualized sport, correct, Yeah,
and you have nobody but you rightnow. You got tennis like that,
you have golf that's like and likeChad always says that, I know
you've talked about it before. Theball out of eighteen holes is only in
the year for how long? Threeand a half minutes something like that,
what is it? Three and ahalf minutes and you're only hitting what seventy

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shots? That's it. So youdo a lot of walking, So you're
doing car. He took a lotof walking and thinking. That's right.
And when you're in a golfer's headwhen they're walking from the next hole,
right, this is what I wouldsay. Knowing certain astrology signs. Germany

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Is are probably I gotta look thisup. How many pro golfers are Geminis
because they can look in the frontwindshield against the cancer of the virgo that's
always in the rear view mirror.I know. It's one thing about Chad
through the years of playing, whenthat kid would shoot Birdie, he'd go
another Birdie, Bertie. If youshoot a bogy, go another bugy bogy
Right, let's go car look likecircle, circle, circle, big boxes,

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big boxes. So I start tosay to his dad, don't you
see this is all his head outthere? Like if he shoots one birdie
shots another bird, he shoots anotherbirdie. If he shoots a bog,
he shoot a bogue, he shootsup because he's still in the rearview mirror.
It's toughness, right, How doyou shake that mindset? How do
you get how do you you know, erase put in the rear view move
on to the next. But that'swhat you need to do. Yeah,

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and you need the support system aroundyou. We can't support him or any
other golfer when they're We can't eventalk to our kids. If I took
my I remember he had long here. Remember we had here. Preparation is
I'm never prepared. If I'm notprepared, you should. I remember had
long here. And I went togive him my point heail holder, you
know, and the official came rightover to me, like, what do

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you think I'm giving him a pointheal holder? Like the kid's fourteen years
old. You can't be out there. The only one that can be talking
to him is his caddy. AndI think there in lies one of the
Chad's biggest problems. He was soloyal to his caddy and all the sponsors
and everybody on Chad's team and theEuropean They want an older person on his
bag. Trust Yet No, notthat, not that his caddy wasn't He

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needs somebody that was stronger than him. Yeah, and that would have been
somebody that had ten years on himat that time, somebody. If Chad
was fifteen, sixteen, seventeen eighteen, the guy in his bag had to
be twenty seven, nine thirty.There's nothing when I was just freshing caddy
dynamic, right, yep. Imean, but in Chad's best friend with
my brother oorsually you know, we'renot thinking we're not friends anymore, but

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he was. It was It wasa comfort zone for me, That's what
it was. I didn't need someoneto read my gramps from me or anything
like that because I could do allthat. And everyone's different, right,
you might need that mentor type individual. Although Chad's loyalty okay, and Chad
said I'm not going to play anothergame of golf if you try to take
him off my back. That's loyaltyfederation. Other people just need someone to
distract them, right, maybe tolaugh throughout the four hours. That's that's

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what I like. It can makeme laugh to my ball then about fifty
yards before my ball start got me, but yes, start get already on
the PGA. Those guys got caddies, that are what they're professional caddies,
right, that's their career, andtheir career is to do what what's a
professional caddies job to do? Reallykeep you in the game, guide coach,
you know, keep maybe focused,Yeah, give you the best information

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at hand. Would you say ata young age, it's important once they
get to like sixteen, fifteen,sixteen seventeen, to have a good caddy
with them. Yeah, if that'syour I'd say, once you get to
a certain level, yeah exactly.Okay, well okay, if you get
to that age of that better level, and keep in mind to there's certain
events. You know, college,you're carrying your own bag, correct,

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there's no caddies in college. Alot of high school events, same thing.
You know, the local amateur scenewe do allow caddies, but usually
it's it's a friend, it's agirlfriend, a spouse, whatever it might
be. I love. It wasdifferent for me because I was already playing
pro events at fifteen out in Florida. So that's why I had my caddyes,
because I like playing professional events thenjunior events where everyone's like, so,

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what you would you make on this? Would you make on this?
Call for a check too? Theyjust care about your money, That's it.
There was a couple of things Ididn't like, and I don't know
if this is still going on.Chad would be on a computer before,
you know, before we went tobed or early in the morning, and
I'd be like, what are youlooking at? And these older men and
other kids, Oh, child's goingto take this tournament. Our child's going

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to get wiped out. Stump wasgoing to make this always going to get
killed. I'm like, why areyou reading that stuff? Like does that
still go on? And why whywere we doing that? We're talking like
social media? Yea, yeah,yeah, I think that's the local stuff.
Child, They were doing it,even the local stuff. They were
playing that game on. Yeah.When I came back and I started playing

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like being on the European Door,I mean, yeah, it's going to
happen. They're going to talk wellthat I would say to him. It
was even younger I remember, andI'd say shut that down. Shut that
down. Don't look at It's notgoing to help you at all. It's
not going to motivate. I mean, there may be some people that that
it did. It used to feelingat a young age and stuff like that,
but you know, at a certainage, talent just doesn't keep going.

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You know, I was that good? Is all talent? I was.
I put the work in a littlebit, but that was just talent.
You know talent within a half anhour of watching it, And hold
that thought and I'll let you answerwhen you come back. My microration,
does you know talent when you seeit right away? This is Cindy Stample
and you listen to Top Sails onWBZ News Radio ten thirty, m b
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Came, Became the World, YouGot, You Got, You Got,

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And welcome back to Tops Nails onWBZ News Radio ten thirty And I'm in
the studio with who Angelina Chad Jesse. All right, let's go. Jesse.
My question as we were going offto break last time was do you
know talent from a mile away atthis stage of the game, do you
know the kids that are talented?Yeah, I do. When I was

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running our events more regularly, i'dbe around it much more and I was
much more in tune. Now,I think just just being around the game
for almost twenty years, I thinkI can point that out. But I'm
no expert. I'm no teacher.I'm not a pizza professor. I get
that. But yeah, I thinkit's you could see. In most cases,
you can see. I gotta tellyou, if I had a due

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over for Chad, I would havenever let them go to IMG Academy.
No. See, I got todisagree that. I know, no,
that that actually shaped me. Thatactually got me technically sound. Even though
I don't totally agree with the leadbetter swing, it got me technically sound.
If I had to do over.I'm sorry, I gotta say it,
I would have never had a girlfriendat eighteen. Okay, I just

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made it on the European Tour.I just made a horrible decision. That's
where I should have been selfish.That's where I come back to what you
said, do you need to beselfish in this game? That's when I
should have chose to be selfish.Okay, your opinion that went Jesse because
you know what, a young guy, well, he can't really have an
opinion because it was my life.I chose him to do stupid things with

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that. It's a little personal,right yeah. But most guys that age,
you're out of high school, you'redoing stupid still, you know what
I mean, It's time to dostupid right stupid? Yeah I didn't.
So I was a goody two shoeand then that that world got introduced to
me. At that time. Whatwere your what was your north star?
What were you hoping to achieve?You know it. I was on tour,

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I was playing unbelievable, I waswinning everything around. When I was
coming to Florida, I was justtrying to just keep going. Yeah,
I try to get to number oneright there, and uh yeah, girl
in my life, stop practicing,smoking weed, drinking, doing drugs,
doing stupid stuff. End up gettingthe yips on on Tori. Oh yeah
for a couple of years. IfI had to redo, that's my reado

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right there. I should have beenselfish and just worried about Wow, I
made it. We just did this. I just finished low amateur. My
first European Tour event was that alsoa circumstance of getting comfortable with a different
part of the world, living ina different part of the world. That
was the whole kick that I wouldhave just stayed. I would have stayed
adjustment. Well, now he livedthere tomorrow, because now he's twenty nine,

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and now you know, at twentyfive, if I had the if
I have a game that I hada seventeen, when I played at twenty
five with that mindset twenty six,I would have moved there. But you
know what they say, that wasa big demise a couple of years.
Got to get out of the rearview mirror, got to move forward.
I ripped it off. It's gone. You ripped off the beage. But
you can tell talent. Yeah,yeah, I'm not an expert again,

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but you can see someone has atalent with a swing and all that.
But it's a lot different. Youhave to have a special kind of mind
to play this game. Now,if you have a talent of mind,
that's a big difference. Okay,I've got a question. How does the
Mass Golf Association address issues with accessibilityand affordability within the sport. Yeah,

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we're a community for any golfer,right, no matter age. Gender,
you know, diverse background. AnybodyI talked I think in our last show
about the affordability piece in our youthprogram of youth on course where we're subsidizing
rounds of golf, so kids payingno more than five dollars per round.
That's that to us is something forthe future, right We're building our future

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golfers, our future members, breakingdown a barrier of entry, if you
will. Also with First T,you know, if if any kid who
wants to participate in First T hasany financial challenges, we're going to support
that. We're going to take careof that in some way, shape or
form. Accessibility. There's quite afew programs right now in this space,

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some of which we support. Weown and operate a par three golf course
in Norton where we have several groupsthat are taking advantage and enjoying the experience.
There's groups like Golf for All.The New England PGA has a branch
where they're offering accessible programs and such. So you know, you even look

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at on the national level, theUSGA just rolled out an adaptive Championship.
You know, this is an areathat they've been working on for the past
five years. There's a lot toit to put on an adaptive event,
you know, from a logistics andoperations standpoint. Okay, it goes to
my next question. Yeah, howimportant is a community engagement and outreach from
Massachusetts Golf Association. It's vital,It's absolutely vital. Yeah, I mean,

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we want to be the outlet forany golfer no matter how you engage
in the game. If you're twelveyears old, if you're seventy two years
old, if you're a fan ofthe game, if you're an elite compet
editor, we have an option ina way for you to engage in the
sport, and we want to growthat community. We want to support those

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that want to participate. Is thatwhat donuts? Certainly with donors corporations donating,
we do, We absolutely do.Unfortunately, balls are expensive, clubs
are expensive. It's not you know, buying a basketball and the basketball in
net, right, Golf's expensive exactly. Yeah, So like the companies that

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you know, they get rid ofthis line of golf clubs, like we're
looking for a stupid golf club forchatity, how to have right on every
was your big brother, big you'retalking nineties and five. We found it
like we weren't ever used. Andthen he got I get it, and
one was I didn't even screw itlike I took it out. It was

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a half a screw like before atournament. But he got the new ones.
But before But when these companies andthey just stop making a club,
but they still have hundreds and hundredsof thousands and thousands in the warehouse,
they do they give them away?Do they? Yeah? I think depending
on the organization, there's channels thatthey go through, you know, to
make sure that those clubs can getget utilized. For us, we've got

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sets upon sets. We offer donationsof clubs, you know, if people
have not you guys got sets andsets we do, and we put them
to use, you know, throughthese junior programs. And is that people
donating the clubs they buy new clubsexactly? Yeah? And balls balls to
an extent. Yeah, And whatabout like shoes golf shoes, I'd probably

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put in that same category with balls. I mean, you can only use
shoes so much, right, sothey wear out or you gotta change the
spikes. But you know, Iwas actually just thinking of questions, just
pop out them to my mind becauseI've been watching a lot of ESPN,
a lot of college sports, andin the golf world. So like you
know, there's female golf and it'sbecome more open and females that common all.

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Uh with all this, you know, gender change and everything. Do
you see yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Do you
see that playing in golf role?Yeah, I think it has. We've
seen it recently in college sports.Let me ask that question. Yeah.
So basically we'll take a trenchender manto a woman. He definitely has more

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strength than a woman. Does.I have the same problem with swimming.
So this is me talking. Nobodytakes any heat for what I have to
say. This is me, CindyStump for talking. Okay, you are
a man. You're swimming against women, when you're playing golf against women.
You are stronger than I am.You can take that ball off the teeth,
asset and how to than I canand longer. Right, But this

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is the new world that we livein, right, So man, it
can be girls anything else. It'sreally and it's going to open up to
the golf community too. It's aboutaccess and opportunity. Yeah, That's why
I was ask where are we seeingI'm just going to be very much careful
on the delivery in that one.I think what you said is fair.
There's organizations and policies in place too, but a lot of people in the

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and the swimming community does not thinkit's fair. There are absolutely two camps,
okay, And what is the consensuson the golf community. And again,
not holding anything you say for yourcompany, I'm just asking you a
personal opinion because I haven't been haven'tbeen paying attention to the swimming community.
I have for some reason basting.Is it a problem? Yeah? Broadcast
but out there okay, So Ishall ask you. That's why I was

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asking, because I'm not I haven'tbeen in the golf well in a couple
of years, and I see allthis going on. I go for the
people listeners out there, like isare they accepting? They do? They
have certain things for it, Likewhat's going on? Do we see it?
I think even you know, justrecently there was a women's golf tour
I want to say out in Arizonathat reverse their posture on a trans player

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where they're no longer allowing them toanticipate where they did previously. But there
are organizations that that do permit it. You know, you've got to go
through the proper protocols and channels andtransitional times, you know, and that's
something that we are currently working onright now. Right How are we going
to support a trans athlete, youknow, to participate in our events?

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You know, in a lot ofways, we are aligned with the USGA,
you know, because a competitor couldbe playing in a mass golf event
or USJA qualifier in Massachusetts that couldget them on the national scene at a
USGA event. So in all likelihoodwe'll do a weekend to follow their policy
or procedure. But it's a challengingthing to overcome, and I think at

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the end of the day, wewant to be inclusive and provide an opportunity
for golfers to compete. I thinkthat's that was the most correct dance I've
ever heard out of everybody's mouth.I think we handled it just perfectly.
Fine, Okay, we're going tobreak on that one. All right.
This is Cindy Stumbling listening Toughest Nailsin WBZ News Radio attempt. He will
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with Angelina, Chad Jesse Minochem startagain. Which last name? Angelina Gorilla
going into stump? Oh, okay, Chad, And what does she do?
I need a ring first, futurewife, that's what you say.
Yeah, and you need a ring, you golf widow. Yeah, he
does have a beautiful girlf and wegot to give it, right, she's

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more beautiful on the inside. Schauscer, Okay, she is. I actually
like that. So that's a goodthing. Right, that's a good thing
coming from me. One time Ifound someone has morals and it's a good
person. Well say that's morals values, old school sponsored with liable, dependable.
That's all the stuff that everybody needsto make the next generation healthy kids

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and what you're raising because you're raisinglike I don't even know what these kids
can turn out to be. Butanyways, they might be playing golf on
the moon. I don't know.They might never leave the house. They'll
play the video games on the golf. But anyway, back to golf.
Okay, Jesse, here's what Iwant to know. I want to know
all the events that are coming up. What do you got coming up?

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Talk do you think and let thelissas know and understand if the kids want
to participate, how they get involved. Blah blah blah. Yeah. So
the beauty of mass Golf is we'vegot an event for everybody. You know,
whether you're an elite competitor playing ina state championship or you just want
to play in a casual tournament typesetting. So you know, from Chad's

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perspective, we've got the state championshiplevel of play from the Mass Open to
the Mass Amateur and Midam to theWomen's Amateur, where you'll see top collegiate
players, mid am players, andseniors competing. We have tournaments, we
have mixed events, we have ourMember Days, which allows for access for
any member of mass Golf to enjoyan experience at a public facility within the

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state. And then we've got juniorcompetition, so our Junior Amateur Championship,
Girls Junior, our young golfers thirteenand under. So, like I said,
any age, any type of competition, we've got it. I do
want to touch though. We've gota couple of high profile events coming to
Massachusetts very fortunate the last couple ofyears. Yeah, well the first one

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here is the LPGA Tour. Theyare coming back after about a thirty year
hiatus. They'll be playing over LaborDay weekend at TPC Boston for the FM
Global Cha. Last time we thehere, wasn't it the Welchers or something
like that over Hill Hell yeah's right, Yeah, that's right. So really
exciting to have that back in play. There's a lot of support in around
Boston within the community. You know, our office is in that backyard,

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so we're doing a lot to supportthem and excited for what that stage and
platform can offer. You know,we've got the likes of Megan Kang,
you know, one of our ownwho grew up in Massachusetts, playing on
the LPGA Tour. She won herfirst event I think about a year ago
up in Canada, so we'll berooting her on, but that'll be special.
And then we've been on a littlebit of a sequence with the USGA.

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You know, we had the USOpen just a couple of years ago
at Brookline. We had the USSenior Amateur at Catansit. We had the
US Midamateur over on Nantucket at SancityHead. This coming year, Brayburn is
hosting the US Women's Mid Am Championship, so that's right, this is one
of two championships that the club's hosting. Then in twenty twenty eight they're going

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to host the US Women's Amateur Championship. So really the best females from around
the country, around the world.We'll be writing Newton Center, Newton Corner.
So really, you know, twostaples in the women's calendar and to
look forward to in twenty twenty four. And Megan, good luck out there.
I wish you all the best.Love to see another mass resident,

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no doubt, okay again? Andwhat about parents that their kids are just
starting how can they get into theseevents if they don't know how to do
it as a participant. Through ourwebsite maskolf dot org also first tmass dot
dot com, we have first tprogramming, youth on course accessibility programming.

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I would also encourage you know thosefor looking for more competition in the junior
space. The US Challenge Cup,the New England PGA, they have two
very strong junior tours yep. AndI grew up with the folks out there.
I grew up playing those and there'sa strong competition run by great people
and honestly it's just unbelievable terms allaround. I had a blast playing them

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and they shaped me to where Igot my career from. What ages did
you feel that from twelve eleven,twelve to seventeen to sixteen, right before
I went to Europe? And whatwas the hottest year is with you playing?
When did you feel the competition gettingheavier? Oh? When I went
to IMG fourteen, Yeah, fourteento fifteen, I went down South,

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so I saw the top of thetop golfers. I was the top of
top down South. But I wentto the number one sports school. I
went to No. One sports schoolin the world. I went to IMG
and then I went to Gary Golchristand so I saw some of the best
I had Jesus Roots Patrick went therein my place. I saw Peter u
Line at IMG. Do you believehow many clients send their kids to IMG

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lot They've had a heck of anoperation and yeah, I mean, and
the place looks completely different than whenMike Kid went to school. Theather it's
changed so much in ten years.But like Morgan Hoffman went to Gary Goo
Christ. Yeah, what you're feelingon that just as. Okay, this
has nothing to do with with withmasks. If your son was a golf

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and said I want to go toIMG one of those, you know,
would you send him if that's thepath that you know he or our daughter
would be looking for. You know, I don't know enough about them right
as a as a dad, rightif that's the right platform for them.
But if they're you know, hardand fast on pursuing a career at the

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highest level of golf, you knowI would want to do as much as
I can to support that. Okay, even if you here's my take on
golf. As again, it's onlymy opinion. I think golf is a
game like any other sport, butespecially golf. You don't have to become
a PGA player to always be ableto make a living with golf. And

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let me explain to you why Checkcould go. He could be a teacher.
He could be teaching, he couldbe one a pro shop. You
could own a pro shop. There'smany other avenues, but the big one
for me is I literally could sendhim out five days a week playing with
my clients, tournaments, sending howmuch for Chad can Chad teach me?

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My clients would keep pulling him inevery country club event so they could win
the fourth son right and be thebig shots on the on the There's a
lot of ways to the game here, but here here's the big one.
For any business, there's more dealsmade on a golf course than anywhere else
in any boardroom in this country.Okay, you get out there and you

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play golf and you have that scotch, you're lighting that cigara, you're not
overdoing the drinking, and you're playingon the attention to that office. No,
you cannot know. You cannot.So my point is just because your
daughter or your son doesn't become thenext PGA, you know phenom it is

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for business. It's a great tool. So I'm always telling Chad, okay,
need you go pay play for VillageBank? And I need you.
And he shoots a hole in oneand my president of my bank is going
jumping up and down because he hadnever saw anybody shoot a hole in one.
There's Chad, right, and hewas like going crazy, calling me
like you sound your shirt whole one. But again, golf also I think

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makes a man out of a ofa boy and makes a woman out of
a girl. But more for theboys because they have to learn responsibility and
they and the one thing about golfis very It's a very respectful, right,
That's where I was going. It'sa very It's a gentleman sport.
It has always been a gentleman sportand it probably will stay a gentleman sport.

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Right. There's no throwing your baseballbat like Chad would do. Right
when you play baseball, well,and think about it too, right,
you're taking it helmet off and throwingit, calling a penalty on yourself if
you do that, you know.So. I just think that golf.
I think that it's the honor system. I think golf brings a core that
some of the sports just don't bring. And I don't think it could hurt

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your child being out there in foreight hours out there golfing and doing something
constructive and doing stupid stuff. It'sa lifetime. It adds so much.
It brings so much to the table. I know absolutely how to hold myself

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accountable. I don't know about thecod pop. I'll give you the accountable
pot was still learning. But whatit did give him was he knew how
to shake a man's hand at twelveyears old and look him in the eye.
He knew how to be with olderpeople from golf and sit down the

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country club in the clubhouse with hisdad and carry himself with me and and
thank you and please and all thethings that I would have taught him at
home, because I'd be like,go get the life. No. I
came home from a IMG said,y'all, thank you, sir, ma'am.
She's like, who's this kid?Lee, I'm like, please,
thank you. Who's he? Butanyways, we're going to break I'm Sidney

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Stumpley. He listen the Toughest Nailson w BZ News Radio ten thirty and
We'll be right back. Don't cold. I'm on Gemma got out up and

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I'm Sinny stumping You. Listen theToughest Nails on w BZ News Radio ten
thirty. Jesse, how do peopleleat you? Well, let me first
off just say thanks, it's greatto be with team Stumpo here. Love
it with Chad and Cindy. Obviouslymask golf, you know we are we
are the community within Massachusetts to engagewith the game, to be part of

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the sport, and and to enjoythe sport. However that you know fits
into your lifestyle. So our websitemassolf dot org. Check us out,
become a member. Make today agolf day. That's our phrase, right,
So whatever that means, if it'san hour of practice, it's nine
whole rounds or going out with youknow, a couple of generations and enjoying

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yourself in what we have to offerhere in the Commonwealth. And congratulations.
Let me shake your hand on yournew position. You deserve the money,
can't. I gotta go out.We have a great, safe week and
everybody, we'll see you next weekend. This is Cindy Stumbo Top his Nails
on WBZ News Radio ten thirty