Mass Golf Part Two

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alone, she's the best person onthe planet. Cindy Stumpo is tough as
nails and welcome to Toughest Nails onWBZ News Radio ten thirty and we have
dragged Jesse back into the studio.Haven't seen it in a while. How
you been a great thrilled to beback. Thank you. We tell the
audience, I'm Jesse Manackham. I'mthe executive director and CEO of Mass Golf.

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Okay, how many weeks it takefor my producer to get you back
in here? We did some negotiating. Okay, that's a good thing.
Welcome back, Welcome back, Jesse. Sure, And I asked obviously for
mister Chad stump Out to be backin here since golf is not anything that
I should know everything about golf,right since my kids were playing it.
It's a passion project for him.It's passion for him. But again it's
not been cheap and never sending himto IMG Academy, right, So somebody's

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got to actually go to work tomake the money to have done all this
right, and then I could behonest chasing that ball around for like eight
hours. I don't know how youguys do that, Like I could get
a lot. So it's all mentalAnd back to the MGA and all the
amazing things they've done. What effortsare being made to attract and retain younger
generations of golfers a mass. Yeah, I think it's you know, how

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can the game game be welcoming,inclusive, fun? You know mentioned programs
earlier, first T Youth on course, you've got drive, chip and putt.
You know, an initiative from theMasters, the USGA PG of America
where any kid can sign up ina fun competition have the chance to play
in the national finals. That agust the national right, how good is

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that get On top of that,the PGA of America has a program called
PGA Junior League, So it's basicallylike Little League Baseball for golf, where
you've got some team competitions. Theyplay in a fun, relaxed environment,
travel around and I think it's aclever way to get kids engaged and enjoy
the game together. On top ofthat, you know some off course activities

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that have been successful on ramps forthe game. And we talked previously about
top golf, drive shack. You'vegot you know, new technology and fused
mini golf venues. Right to me, anytime you get a club in someone's
hand, in a kid's hand,it's it's going to be impressionable, right,
and it's an opportunity to get themto become an offer for life.
Yep. So you guys do alllike the physical stuff, teaching and all
that. Now let's talk about thereally important side of the game, the

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biggest six inches between the Do youguys do any work with mental mental side
of golf as an organization, wedon't. You know, it's not stacked
into one of our services, butthere's many groups out there that do you
know, sports psychology is becoming avery big industry. You know, you've
got organizations out there like core Golfand NATICK. You know Bill mcinernie involved

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as a as a coach, ateacher, ian highfield. I mean,
this is an important part of thegame that's going to allow kids to be
successful playing, you know, atthe highest level potentially yep. And now
how with this also the technology inthese kids? How's a game? In
my opinion of courses are huge.The game is way more powerful than it's

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ever been. Do you think it'sjust the working out from the new generation
or do you think these clubs arewell corked up? Am I? In
my words, I think it's acombination of things. I mean, the
clubs I grew up playing on arenowhere near you know what, kids have
available these days, right, SoI think you've got to You've got to
give a tip to the cap,to the technology, but also the way

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kids are working at it and kindof being instructed. You're you're seeing a
lot more athleticism. For one,I think you're you're seeing you you talk
about, you know, between theears, right, some of these kids
I see they're just fearless out there, right, They'll grip it and rip
it. They don't care how hardor how fast they're swinging. They want
the ball to go far. Andthat's the advantage that they're they're helping them.

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That's the old school way of teachingright there. In some respects.
Yeah, you can't teach it.I twitch muscles at certain age. You
got to grow up doing that.But also, where do you see this
golf welb going with all this technologygetting more head ball far, these courses
getting longer. What do you seeany stop to this? I don't know.
I see technology just just being amajor component to the advancement of the

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game. You know, whether that'sfor sustainability efforts right off course itself,
you know, managing the game operationally, but you know, for swing,
for mechanics, for coaching, it'shere to stay. You know, the
track man systems of the world,right, You're getting instantaneous data. That's
what That's what people want in thisworld, in this in this day and
age, right, And if that'sgoing to help you, if that's going

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to help you advance in your career, no matter where that that may take
you. I think it's going toshow coaches, you know that you've got
more than just a scoring record rightfrom your competitive events. You know you
can dial into the data of youknow, your your up and down green
and regulation. You know, youcan really get hyper focused. Yeah.
And so are any upcoming projects orinitiatives that the MASK Associations are excited about.

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I would say, you know,really just collaboration with some of our
affiliate organizations. We work very closelywith the new ingle PGA US Challenge cup.
I mentioned on the last show theUS Development Program, and I think
that's something we are really excited about. It's it's a new endeavor. Uh,
it's going to create a whole newplatform for junior golfers. So we're

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excited for year one to see wherethat that goes and hopefully it it can
morph into something pretty big. Andsubstantial for the state in your opinion.
You know you've been around golf yourwhole life. Where do you want to
see the golf world in Massachusetts go? I would love to see, you
know, the sustainability of the gamefor one, right, keeping people in

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the game no matter at what stagein their career or life they're in.
You know, if they have theability to be competitive, great, If
it's more of a recreational sport forthem, nothing wrong with that, right,
So how can we make sure foranyone interested in golf there's an outlet,
there's an opportunity, there's a wayfor that to fit into their daily
activity, right. I think we'restarting to see the game become more relevant.

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We're seeing laps golfers come back intothe game. We're seeing a lot
of new golfers, golfers of youknow, different diversity, a lot more
women playing the game than ever before. So, you know, I keep
saying that it's it's become relevant ofit again. I think you know that's
because you can you can make itwhat you want of it. Right,
If it's an hour of practice andso fashion, you know, you don't
have to play that traditional eighteen holeround anymore. You can play nine,

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you can play six holes. Youknow, a lot of facilities have a
different, unique type of loop.You know, that'll get you started,
get you back to the clubhouse inthe car, and you can get home
and make dinner. Stupid right there. But so, you know, playing
golf in Florida and all around theworld, you know, playing the European
Tour, I see as diverse.It's very diverse out there, which is

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amazing. How is the diversity ingolf in Massachusetts. It's improving, and
you know, we're we're making somestrides in that effort. We want to
make sure our community is as diverseas it possibly can be. You know,
if that's increasing, you know,first t programming in different parts pockets
of the state, if it's increasingour ability to offer affordable access to kids

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through youth on course, we wantto be champions of that. We want
to work with facilities, with leadershiparound the state, with our affiliate organizations
as well. There's more that canbe done. I think we're just scratching
the surface there. So something we'reexcited about. I love it. And
for the golf world, you know, everyone thinks about golf, as you
know, it is prima donnas sportand all that. What are the misconceptions

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are golf in your opinion, Well, I think you kind of hit the
nail on the head. There areeven well it's changed a lot, I
mean, even from you know,I think the old, old traditions and
such are starting to kind of morphinto you know, the culture of where

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we are in twenty twenty four.You're seeing golf clothing look a lot different
than I never did. You're seeingpeople engage in the game in a much
different way. You know, you'vegot music out on the golf course and
some some capacities. You know,that's not everyone's cup of tea, but
you know there's some acceptance to that. You're seeing hoodies at the golf course,
right, Yeah, So you know, little things like that I think,

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you know, are starting to getpeople more comfortable. Yeah, change
attract a different audience. So it'snot also uptight. They are a little
more loose out there, welcome.But I do think there's a balance there,
right, because you're you're bringing alot of new people into the game.
They may not be as educated withwith etiquette and ways to treat the
golf course. Things of that.Nature pace of play. Right, So

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somehow, you know, I thinkwe have an obligation, along with other
industry representatives, to make sure thatwe strike that balance and we continue to
educate all that air playing the game. Okay, hold that thought. We're
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You know. Welcome back to ToughNails on WBC News Radio ten Thory
and I'm Citney Stumpo, and I'mhere with Angelina, and I'm here with
and Jesse. I just may goodquestion. I'm coming out of the last
time I settle the dumb questions.I'm going back to dumb Okay, we're
making the turn. We're making theturn. Yeah, I need I need
some I need. Like all youpeople do is talk about golf. I

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know it's a golf show, butI'm like, okay, golf, golf.
I listen, truthfully, you've beengolfing your whole pretty much your whole
life. So like you got married, you had children, and we're still
playing Sage and Sunday's Golf. Nooh, you were right, So it
happened. What happened is we hadwe have several obligations and activities that are

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fun to be a part of.Right, I wouldn't be in politically correct
yet. Well, but given seriousness, right, I mean, given the
opportunity. Yeah. Like, Iknow when I was married, if if
joking' golf that six days or golffive days and he wanted to golf,
he'd pouts. So I'd be like, just go golf then, because it

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was worth it for you to gogolf. Come back six hours later,
and then you're not pouting anymore.Do you know what I'm saying? I
do, I do, I goso there many times have you pouted with
your wife like you really want togo golf and not do what she really
wanted to do. I'm without causingit, right, I'm around golf.
It's my job, it's my life. It's a passion, et cetera.

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You know, married eleven years,streak, he's being politically quirk to save
his marriage right now. I don'tknow. I think Stephanie appreciates and understands.
Okay, well, Stephanie, ifyou say to Stephanie like out of
nowhere, you know, I reallyjust want to go play eighteen holes and
nine holes. We'll make it work. We'll figure it out. We'll figure
it out so there's no ball breakin like nose times, there can be

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sure. Yeah, but I pickmy spots. How about that? Okay,
that's a good thing. Yeah.So when do you believe that golfers
to get to the next level haveto be the most selfish people at some
point until I get there. Ithink there's an argument for that. But
for any sport or any high levelprofession, there's got to be some some

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self serving selfishness. The one thingI noticed with all my professional athletes,
and god knows, in thirty sixyears, I've had many many, many
come through Boston, whether they've beenBruins players, Soult's players, Red Sox
players, not a lot of footballplayers because they go out further out.
I've noticed one thing in Calm withall the wives, they are behind those

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men, and a lot met tocollege. It seems like they prepare with
the right meals, the right foodright, and then when those men get
to a higher level and they're makingmassive contracts, I see the chefs come
in, but I see the womendoing all the heavy lifting at home,
the kids. This the that Ihad a player get traded, they lived

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in Brookline and didn't even know he'sgoing to get traded and boom, she's
got to send his He just goesright from the locker room and goes right
to his next place, is goingthe next state, and the wife organizes
his clothes to get to the nextstate. It's a tough job on the
wives, no doubt. And it'sit's to me. It's about the support
system, right, So let's talkabout let's think about the window of opportunity

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for any elite athlete, right,that might be from eighteen to twenty eight.
There you go, eighteen to twentyeight. You've got to capitalize in
ten years time, right, Soyou're going to need that support system to
take care of those odds and ends, right and build a team that that's
going to allow you to put yourenergy and focus in the training and the

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well being and the and the healththe psychology that we talked about earlier.
It's more than a full time job. You know, you're committing yourself to
be at that level to capitalize onthe return on investment. Right. Do
you notice that golfers need more mentalcondition than others because it's just them,
it's the ball. Yeah, Iguess I would. I would respond in

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the club, yes, because it'salso an individualized sport, correct, Yeah,
and you have nobody but you rightnow. You got tennis like that,
you have golf that's like and likeChad always says that, I know
you've talked about it before. Theball out of eighteen holes is only in
the year for how long? Threeand a half minutes something like that,
what is it? Three and ahalf minutes and you're only hitting what seventy

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shots? That's it. So youdo a lot of walking, So you're
doing car. He took a lotof walking and thinking. That's right.
And when you're in a golfer's headwhen they're walking from the next hole,
right, this is what I wouldsay. Knowing certain astrology signs. Germany

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Is are probably I gotta look thisup. How many pro golfers are Geminis
because they can look in the frontwindshield against the cancer of the virgo that's
always in the rear view mirror.I know. It's one thing about Chad
through the years of playing, whenthat kid would shoot Birdie, he'd go
another Birdie, Bertie. If youshoot a bogy, go another bugy bogy
Right, let's go car look likecircle, circle, circle, big boxes,

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big boxes. So I start tosay to his dad, don't you
see this is all his head outthere? Like if he shoots one birdie
shots another bird, he shoots anotherbirdie. If he shoots a bog,
he shoot a bogue, he shootsup because he's still in the rearview mirror.
It's toughness, right, How doyou shake that mindset? How do
you get how do you you know, erase put in the rear view move
on to the next. But that'swhat you need to do. Yeah,

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and you need the support system aroundyou. We can't support him or any
other golfer when they're We can't eventalk to our kids. If I took
my I remember he had long here. Remember we had here. Preparation is
I'm never prepared. If I'm notprepared, you should. I remember had
long here. And I went togive him my point heail holder, you
know, and the official came rightover to me, like, what do

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you think I'm giving him a pointheal holder? Like the kid's fourteen years
old. You can't be out there. The only one that can be talking
to him is his caddy. AndI think there in lies one of the
Chad's biggest problems. He was soloyal to his caddy and all the sponsors
and everybody on Chad's team and theEuropean They want an older person on his
bag. Trust Yet No, notthat, not that his caddy wasn't He

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needs somebody that was stronger than him. Yeah, and that would have been
somebody that had ten years on himat that time, somebody. If Chad
was fifteen, sixteen, seventeen eighteen, the guy in his bag had to
be twenty seven, nine thirty.There's nothing when I was just freshing caddy
dynamic, right, yep. Imean, but in Chad's best friend with
my brother oorsually you know, we'renot thinking we're not friends anymore, but

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he was. It was It wasa comfort zone for me, That's what
it was. I didn't need someoneto read my gramps from me or anything
like that because I could do allthat. And everyone's different, right,
you might need that mentor type individual. Although Chad's loyalty okay, and Chad
said I'm not going to play anothergame of golf if you try to take
him off my back. That's loyaltyfederation. Other people just need someone to
distract them, right, maybe tolaugh throughout the four hours. That's what

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That's what I like. It canmake me laugh to my ball then about
fifty yards before my ball start gotme, but yes, start get already
on the PGA. Those guys gotcaddies, that are what they're professional caddies,
right, that's their career, andtheir career is to do what what's
a professional caddies job to do?Really keep you in the game, guide
coach, you know, keep maybefocused, Yeah, give you the best

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information at hand. Would you sayat a young age, it's important once
they get to like sixteen, fifteen, sixteen seventeen, to have a good
caddy with them. Yeah, ifthat's your I'd say, once you get
to a certain level, yeah,exactly. Okay, well okay, if
you get to that age, ofthat better level, and keep in mind
to there's certain events, you know, college, you're carrying your own bag,

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correct, there's no caddies in college. A lot of high school events,
same thing. You know, thelocal amateur scene we do allow caddies,
but usually it's it's a friend,it's a girlfriend, a spouse,
whatever it might be. I love. It was different for me because I
was already playing pro events at fifteenout in Florida. So that's why I
had my caddyes, because I likeplaying professional events then junior events where everyone's

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like, so, what you wouldyou make on this? Would you make
on this? Call for a checktoo? They just care about your money,
That's it. There was a coupleof things I didn't like, and
I don't know if this is stillgoing on. Chad would be on a
computer before, you know, beforewe went to bed or early in the
morning, and I'd be like,what are you looking at? And these
older men and other kids, Oh, child's going to take this tournament.

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Our child's going to get wiped out. Stump was going to make this always
going to get killed. I'm like, why are you reading that stuff?
Like does that still go on?And why why were we doing that?
We're talking like social media? Yea, yeah, yeah, I think that's
the local stuff. Child. Theywere doing it, even the local stuff.
They were playing that game on.Yeah. When I came back and

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I started playing like being on theEuropean Door, I mean, yeah,
it's going to happen. They're goingto talk well that I would say to
him. It was even younger,I remember, and I'd say shut that
down. Shut that down. Don'tlook at It's not going to help you
at all. It's not going tomotivate. I mean, there may be
some people that that it did.It used to feeling at a young age
and stuff like that, but youknow, at a certain age, talent

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just doesn't keep going. You know, I was that good? Is all
talent? I was. I putthe work in a little bit, but
that was just talent. You knowtalent within a half an hour of watching
it, And hold that thought andI'll let you answer when you come back.
My microration, does you know talentwhen you see it right away?
This is Cindy Stample and you listento Top Sails on WBZ News Radio ten
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You Got, And welcome back toTops Nails on WBZ News Radio ten
thirty And I'm in the studio withwho Angelina Chad Jesse. All right,
let's go. Jesse. My questionas we were going off to break last
time was do you know talent froma mile away at this stage of the

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game. Do you know the kidsthat are talented? Yeah, I do.
When I was running our events moreregularly, i'd be around it much
more and I was much more intune. Now, I think just just
being around the game for almost twentyyears, I think I can point that
out. But I'm no expert.I'm no teacher. I'm not a pizza
professor. I get that. Butyeah, I think it's you could see.

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In most cases, you can see. I gotta tell you, if
I had a due over for Chad, I would have never let them go
to IMG Academy. No. See, I got to disagree that. I
know, no, that that actuallyshaped me. That actually got me technically
sound. Even though I don't totallyagree with the lead better swing, it
got me technically sound. If Ihad to do over, I'm sorry,

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I gotta say it, I wouldhave never had a girlfriend at eighteen.
Okay, I just made it onthe European Tour. I just made a
horrible decision. That's where I shouldhave been selfish. That's where I come
back to what you said, doyou need to be selfish in this game?
That's when I should have chose tobe selfish. Okay, your opinion
that went Jesse because you know what, a young guy, well, he

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can't really have an opinion because itwas my life. I chose him to
do stupid things with that. It'sa little personal, right yeah. But
most guys that age, you're outof high school, you're doing stupid still,
you know what I mean, It'stime to do stupid right stupid?
Yeah I didn't. So I wasa goody two shoe and then that that
world got introduced to me. Atthat time. What were your what was

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your north star? What were youhoping to achieve? You know it.
I was on tour, I wasplaying unbelievable, I was winning everything around.
When I was coming to Florida,I was just trying to just keep
going. Yeah, I try toget to number one right there, and
uh yeah, girl in my life, stop practicing smoking weed, drinking,
doing drugs, doing stupid stuff.End up getting the yips on on Tori.

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Oh yeah for a couple of years. If I had to redo,
that's my reado right there. Ishould have been selfish and just worried about
Wow, I made it. Wejust did this. I just finished low
amateur. My first European tour eventwas that also a circumstance of getting comfortable
with a different part of the world, living in a different part of the
world. That was the whole kickthat I would have just stayed. I
would have stayed adjustment. Well,now he lived there tomorrow, because now

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he's twenty nine, and now youknow, at twenty five, if I
had the if I have a gamethat I had a seventeen, when I
played at twenty five with that mindsettwenty six, I would have moved there.
But you know what they say,that was a big demise a couple
of years. Got to get outof the rear view mirror, got to
move forward. I ripped it off. It's gone. You ripped off the

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beage. But you can tell talent. Yeah, yeah, I'm not an
expert again, but you can seesomeone has a talent with a swing and
all that. But it's a lotdifferent. You have to have a special
kind of mind to play this game. Now, if you have a talent
of mind, that's a big difference. Okay, I've got a question.
How does the Mass Golf Association addressissues with accessibility and affordability within the sport.

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Yeah, we're a community for anygolfer, right, no matter age.
Gender, you know, diverse background. Anybody I talked I think in
our last show about the affordability piecein our youth program of youth on course
where we're subsidizing rounds of golf,so kids paying no more than five dollars
per round. That's that to usis something for the future, right We're

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building our future golfers, our futuremembers, breaking down a barrier of entry,
if you will. Also with FirstT, you know, if if
any kid who wants to participate inFirst T has any financial challenges, we're
going to support that. We're goingto take care of that in some way,
shape or form. Accessibility. There'squite a few programs right now in

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this space, some of which wesupport. We own and operate a par
three golf course in Norton where wehave several groups that are taking advantage and
enjoying the experience. There's groups likeGolf for All. The New England PGA
has a branch where they're offering accessibleprograms and such. So you know,

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you even look at on the nationallevel, the USGA just rolled out an
adaptive Championship. You know, thisis an area that they've been working on
for the past five years. There'sa lot to it to put on an
adaptive event, you know, froma logistics and operations standpoint. Okay,
it goes to my next question.Yeah, how important is a community engagement
and outreach from Massachusetts Golf Association.It's vital, It's absolutely vital. Yeah,

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I mean, we want to bethe outlet for any golfer no matter
how you engage in the game.If you're twelve years old, if you're
seventy two years old, if you'rea fan of the game, if you're
an elite compet editor, we havean option in a way for you to
engage in the sport, and wewant to grow that community. We want
to support those that want to participate. Is that what donuts? Certainly with

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donors corporations donating, we do,We absolutely do. Unfortunately, balls are
expensive, clubs are expensive. It'snot you know, buying a basketball and
the basketball in net, right,Golf's expensive exactly. Yeah, So like
the companies that you know, theyget rid of this line of golf clubs,
like we're looking for a stupid golfclub for chatity, how to have

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right on every was your big brother, big you're talking nineties and five.
We found it like we weren't everused. And then he got I get
it, and one was I didn'teven screw it like I took it out.
It was a half a screw likebefore a tournament. But he got

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the new ones. But before Butwhen these companies and they just stop making
a club, but they still havehundreds and hundreds of thousands and thousands in
the warehouse, they do they givethem away? Do they? Yeah?
I think depending on the organization,there's channels that they go through, you
know, to make sure that thoseclubs can get get utilized. For us,
we've got sets upon sets. Weoffer donations of clubs, you know,

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if people have not you guys gotsets and sets we do, and
we put them to use, youknow, through these junior programs. And
is that people donating the clubs theybuy new clubs exactly? Yeah? And
balls balls to an extent. Yeah, And what about like shoes golf shoes,
I'd probably put in that same categorywith balls. I mean, you

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can only use shoes so much,right, so they wear out or you
gotta change the spikes. But youknow, I was actually just thinking of
questions, just pop out them tomy mind because I've been watching a lot
of ESPN, a lot of collegesports, and in the golf world.
So like you know, there's femalegolf and it's become more open and females
that common all. Uh with allthis, you know, gender change and

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everything. Do you see yeah?Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Do you see that playing in golfrole? Yeah, I think it
has. We've seen it recently incollege sports. Let me ask that question.
Yeah. So basically we'll take atrenchender man to a woman. He

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definitely has more strength than a woman. Does. I have the same problem
with swimming. So this is metalking. Nobody takes any heat for what
I have to say. This isme, Cindy Stump for talking. Okay,
you are a man. You're swimmingagainst women, when you're playing golf
against women. You are stronger thanI am. You can take that ball

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off the teeth, asset and howto than I can and longer. Right,
But this is the new world thatwe live in, right, So
man, it can be girls anythingelse. It's really and it's going to
open up to the golf community too. It's about access and opportunity. Yeah,
That's why I was ask where arewe seeing I'm just going to be
very much careful on the delivery inthat one. I think what you said

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is fair. There's organizations and policiesin place too, but a lot of
people in the and the swimming communitydoes not think it's fair. There are
absolutely two camps, okay, Andwhat is the consensus on the golf community.
And again, not holding anything yousay for your company, I'm just
asking you a personal opinion because Ihaven't been haven't been paying attention to the
swimming community. I have for somereason basting. Is it a problem?

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Yeah? Broadcast but out there okay, So I shall ask you. That's
why I was asking, because I'mnot I haven't been in the golf well
in a couple of years, andI see all this going on. I
go for the people listeners out there, like is are they accepting? They
do? They have certain things forit, Like what's going on? Do
we see it? I think evenyou know, just recently there was a
women's golf tour I want to sayout in Arizona that reverse their posture on

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a trans player where they're no longerallowing them to anticipate where they did previously.
But there are organizations that that dopermit it. You know, you've
got to go through the proper protocolsand channels and transitional times, you know,
and that's something that we are currentlyworking on right now. Right How
are we going to support a transathlete, you know, to participate in

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our events? You know, ina lot of ways, we are aligned
with the USGA, you know,because a competitor could be playing in a
mass golf event or USJA qualifier inMassachusetts that could get them on the national
scene at a USGA event. Soin all likelihood we'll do a weekend to
follow their policy or procedure. Butit's a challenging thing to overcome, and

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I think at the end of theday, we want to be inclusive and
provide an opportunity for golfers to compete. I think that's that was the most
correct dance I've ever heard out ofeverybody's mouth. I think we handled it
just perfectly. Fine, Okay,we're going to break on that one.
All right. This is Cindy Stumblinglistening Toughest Nails in WBZ News Radio attempt.
He will be right back. Sponsoredby new Brook Realty Group, Boston,

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Wow, and welcome back to Taphis Nails on WBZ News Radio ten thirty
And I'm here with Angelina, ChadJesse Minochem start again. Which last name?

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Angelina Gorilla going into stump? Oh, okay, Chad, And what
does she do? I need aring first, future wife, that's what
you say. Yeah, and youneed a ring, you golf widow.
Yeah, he does have a beautifulgirlf and we got to give it,
right, she's more beautiful on theinside. Schauscer, Okay, she is.
I actually like that. So that'sa good thing. Right, that's

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a good thing coming from me.One time I found someone has morals and
it's a good person. Well saythat's morals values, old school sponsored with
liable, dependable. That's all thestuff that everybody needs to make the next
generation healthy kids and what you're raisingbecause you're raising like I don't even know
what these kids can turn out tobe. But anyways, they might be
playing golf on the moon. Idon't know. They might never leave the

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house. They'll play the video gameson the golf. But anyway, back
to golf. Okay, Jesse,here's what I want to know. I
want to know all the events thatare coming up. What do you got
coming up? Talk do you thinkand let the lissas know and understand if
the kids want to participate, howthey get involved. Blah blah blah.

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Yeah. So the beauty of massGolf is we've got an event for everybody.
You know, whether you're an elitecompetitor playing in a state championship or
you just want to play in acasual tournament type setting. So you know,
from Chad's perspective, we've got thestate championship level of play from the
Mass Open to the Mass Amateur andMidam to the Women's Amateur, where you'll
see top collegiate players, mid amplayers, and seniors competing. We have

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tournaments, we have mixed events,we have our Member Days, which allows
for access for any member of massGolf to enjoy an experience at a public
facility within the state. And thenwe've got junior competition, so our Junior
Amateur Championship, Girls Junior, ouryoung golfers thirteen and under. So,

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like I said, any age,any type of competition, we've got it.
I do want to touch though.We've got a couple of high profile
events coming to Massachusetts very fortunate thelast couple of years. Yeah, well
the first one here is the LPGATour. They are coming back after about
a thirty year hiatus. They'll beplaying over Labor Day weekend at TPC Boston

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for the FM Global Cha. Lasttime we the here, wasn't it the
Welchers or something like that over HillHell yeah's right, Yeah, that's right.
So really exciting to have that backin play. There's a lot of
support in around Boston within the community. You know, our office is in
that backyard, so we're doing alot to support them and excited for what
that stage and platform can offer.You know, we've got the likes of

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Megan Kang, you know, oneof our own who grew up in Massachusetts,
playing on the LPGA Tour. Shewon her first event I think about
a year ago up in Canada,so we'll be rooting her on, but
that'll be special. And then we'vebeen on a little bit of a sequence
with the USGA. You know,we had the US Open just a couple
of years ago at Brookline. Wehad the US Senior Amateur at Catansit.

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We had the US Midamateur over onNantucket at Sancity Head. This coming year,
Brayburn is hosting the US Women's MidAm Championship, so that's right,
this is one of two championships thatthe club's hosting. Then in twenty twenty
eight they're going to host the USWomen's Amateur Championship. So really the best
females from around the country, aroundthe world. We'll be writing Newton Center,

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Newton Corner. So really, youknow, two staples in the women's
calendar and to look forward to intwenty twenty four. And Megan, good
luck out there. I wish youall the best. Love to see another
mass resident, no doubt, okayagain? And what about parents that their

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kids are just starting how can theyget into these events if they don't know
how to do it as a participant. Through our website maskolf dot org also
first tmass dot dot com, wehave first t programming, youth on course
accessibility programming. I would also encourageyou know those for looking for more competition

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in the junior space. The USChallenge Cup, the New England PGA,
they have two very strong junior toursyep. And I grew up with the
folks out there. I grew upplaying those and there's a strong competition run
by great people and honestly it's justunbelievable terms all around. I had a
blast playing them and they shaped meto where I got my career from.
What ages did you feel that fromtwelve eleven, twelve to seventeen to sixteen,

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right before I went to Europe?And what was the hottest year is
with you playing? When did youfeel the competition getting heavier? Oh?
When I went to IMG fourteen,Yeah, fourteen to fifteen, I went
down South, so I saw thetop of the top golfers. I was
the top of top down South.But I went to the number one sports
school. I went to No.One sports school in the world. I

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went to IMG and then I wentto Gary Golchrist and so I saw some
of the best I had Jesus RootsPatrick went there in my place. I
saw Peter u Line at IMG.Do you believe how many clients send their
kids to IMG lot They've had aheck of an operation and yeah, I
mean, and the place looks completelydifferent than when Mike Kid went to school.
Theather it's changed so much in tenyears. But like Morgan Hoffman went

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to Gary Goo Christ. Yeah,what you're feeling on that just as.
Okay, this has nothing to dowith with with masks. If your son
was a golf and said I wantto go to IMG one of those,
you know, would you send himif that's the path that you know he
or our daughter would be looking for. You know, I don't know enough

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about them right as a as adad, right if that's the right platform
for them. But if they're youknow, hard and fast on pursuing a
career at the highest level of golf, you know I would want to do
as much as I can to supportthat. Okay, even if you here's
my take on golf. As again, it's only my opinion. I think

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golf is a game like any othersport, but especially golf. You don't
have to become a PGA player toalways be able to make a living with
golf. And let me explain toyou why Check could go. He could
be a teacher. He could beteaching, he could be one a pro
shop. You could own a proshop. There's many other avenues, but

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the big one for me is Iliterally could send him out five days a
week playing with my clients, tournaments, sending how much for Chad can Chad
teach me? My clients would keeppulling him in every country club event so
they could win the fourth son rightand be the big shots on the on

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the There's a lot of ways tothe game here, but here here's the
big one. For any business,there's more deals made on a golf course
than anywhere else in any boardroom inthis country. Okay, you get out
there and you play golf and youhave that scotch, you're lighting that cigara,
you're not overdoing the drinking, andyou're playing on the attention to that

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office. No, you cannot know. You cannot. So my point is
just because your daughter or your sondoesn't become the next PGA, you know
phenom it is for business. It'sa great tool. So I'm always telling
Chad, okay, need you gopay play for Village Bank? And I

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need you. And he shoots ahole in one and my president of my
bank is going jumping up and downbecause he had never saw anybody shoot a
hole in one. There's Chad,right, and he was like going crazy,
calling me like you sound your shota whole one. But again,
golf also I think makes a manout of a of a boy and makes

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a woman out of a girl.But more for the boys because they have
to learn responsibility and they and theone thing about golf is very It's a
very respectful, right, That's whereI was going. It's a very It's
a gentleman sport. It has alwaysbeen a gentleman sport and it probably will
stay a gentleman sport. Right.There's no throwing your baseball bat like Chad

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would do. Right when you playbaseball, well, and think about it
too, right, you're taking ithelmet off and throwing it, calling a
penalty on yourself if you do that, you know. So. I just
think that golf. I think thatit's the honor system. I think golf
brings a core that some of thesports just don't bring. And I don't
think it could hurt your child beingout there in for eight hours, out

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there golfing and doing something constructive anddoing stupid stuff. It's a lifetime.
It adds so much. It bringsso much to the table. I know
absolutely how to hold myself accountable.I don't know about the cod pop.

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I'll give you the accountable. Potwas still learning. But what it did
give him was he knew how toshake a man's hand at twelve years old
and look him in the eye.He knew how to be with older people
from golf and sit down the countryclub in the clubhouse with his dad and

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carry himself with me and and thankyou and please and all the things that
I would have taught him at home, because I'd be like, go get
the life. No. I camehome from a IMG said, y'all,
thank you, sir, ma'am.She's like, who's this kid? Lee,
I'm like, please, thank you, Who's he? But anyways,
we're going to break. I'm SidneyStumpley. He listen the Toughest Nails on
w BZ News Radio ten thirty andWe'll be right back. Don't cold.

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I'm on Gemma got out up andI'm Sinny stumping You. Listen the Toughest
Nails on w BZ News Radio tenthirty. Jesse, how do people leat
you? Well, let me firstoff just say thanks, it's great to
be with team Stumpo here. Loveit with Chad and Cindy. Obviously mask
golf, you know we are weare the community within Massachusetts to engage with

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the game, to be part ofthe sport and and to enjoy the sport.
However, that you know fits intoyour lifestyle. So our website massolf
dot org. Check us out,become a member. Make today a golf
day. That's our phrase, right, so whatever that means, if it's
an hour of practice, it's ninewhole rounds or going out with you know,
a couple of generations and enjoying yourselfin what we have to offer here

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in the Commonwealth. And congratulations.Let me shake your hand on your new
position. You deserve the money,can't. I gotta go out. We
have a great, safe week andeverybody, we'll see you next weekend.
This is Cindy Stumbo Top his Nailson WBZ News Radio ten thirty