Protecting The Community

Episode Transcript

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For thirty five years, Cindy Stumpohas been a female homebuilder with a passion
for design, a mastery of detail, and a commitment to her crack.
With daughter Samantha Stumpo by her side, I don't need my whole family on
a date with me. That's agood note. It's goddamn weird. See.
Stumpo Development is the only second generationfemale construction company in the country.
You're crazy, You're a wacko,You're insane. I mean, it just

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doesn't end together. Cindy and Samanthawelcome guests to explore the world of construction,
real estate, development, design andmore. Unpredictable. Every time I
think I know what you want,you switch it out. But that's what
makes sure houses all u D.They discuss anything that happens between the roof
and the foundation. Nothing is offlimits. You truly do care about everybody.
She can yell at you get scream, but when you get her alone,

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she's the best person on the planet. Cindy Stumpo is tough as nails
and welcome to Cindy Stumpo check hisnails on WBZ News Radio ten thirty and
I'm here tonight with who leam,what's night's topic? You No, you
have no idea, No, Inever know. So what's sitting in front
of you right now? Twoe BrooklinePolice officers. So we think that shows

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about them. Okay, she reallyhelps me lost my co host. You
see that. See that's why shewas a blonde. You see the blonde
picture. Now as she becomes abrunette. She's becoming a brunette. She's
supposed to be getting like shopper,the bloone is supposed to go, the
bunette supposed to come. You're callingme stupid on national radio Mentione Thatt's see
when you can't remember things. No, that's just called no. Yeah,
now you're just having Cydney language.Now you have an excuse you We have

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Citney language. That's called metopause.Okay. Anyways, our topic tonight is
what protecting the community. And Ihave two Brookline offices. Introduce yourself hisagant,
robbed de Sarrio, Brookline PD,and I am Paul Campbell, Deputy
Superintendent with the Brooklyn Police depart Whatdoes that actually mean, Paul? What
does what does that mean? Itmeans he's a big deal making no money

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deal making, no money, Butgo ahead. It means I'm I oversee
one of the divisions for the policedepartment. So I do a number of
a number of different roles. Oneof the roles I do is public Information
officer. But the Community Service Divisionessentially works for me. Okay, and
you Rob, what are you doing? So I am the supervisor, the

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frontline supervisor of the Community Service Division, so I supervise the patrolman that are
assigned to the division. And ofcourse I have my other tasks that I'm
responsible for. Social media for ashameless plug if I may. Oh,
so when I go on your socialmedia, you see that's me coming.
I see you all the time.Oh okay, so make sure somebody's noticed
in what I'm doing. I createa lot of the content there and videos

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and still and information and news andstuff. So social media and emergency management
is another role of mine in theCommunity Service Division. Okay, And basically
you've explained what you do. Okay, I'm going to keep the questions.
I'll go so oft with you,guys. I won't go HRD, I
won't go really really hard. We'llgo easy. We're ready, all right.

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Let me just start with this question. If you date, how's the
crime rate been? And I knowyou can't only speak about Boston Newton,
nor am I asking you to.But are the cops communicating with each other
across the communities or local like isNewton to talking to Brookline? Is Brookline
talking to Boston? Is because youborder you're bordering Boston, Newton, Jamaica.

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Plane which is Boston too? Right? What else do we border West
Roxbury, Boston? That's it?Yeah, just Boston and Newton are the
only two towns that we that wemake contact with. So you do as
police talk to the others, orchiefs talk to chiefs, politicians talk to
politicians, or we all on ourown in our towns and cities and kind
of really so we belong to severaldifferent communications, you know, media venues

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that we communicate with other communities.One example is the Fusion Center, right,
and it's and that's specifically targeting youknow, terrorists, intel intelligence.
So Brookline will communicate with the FusionCenter. And the Future Center is made
up of several different agencies. Ican't really go into specific pay so what's
what they share? But we areconstantly communicating with our neighbors. For example,

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the breaks that we have had recently. We in constant communication with Newton
PD because it appears that these subjectsmaybe targeting more affluent communities, right,
so we want to make sure we'resharing the same information with the towns that
are similar to us, like Newton, okay, and I know Weston now

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is getting bits picking up in Westernso we start looking at Brookline, Newton,
Weston, Wellesley. This is justcommon sense, like some things in
life, is just common sense.Sometimes common sense is so common anymore.
But you're right to say that they'rehitting the higher end zip codes. And
what's interesting about this group is there'sno real pattern. You can't figure out

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the patent at this point. Youcan't. So they'll hit, you know,
a town local to the Boston area, but then they'll move to a
different region and hit that and hitthat area and then come back and then
come back eventually. Yeah. Soalthough there is a lot of discussion about
it recently, we've only been calendaryear twenty twenty four. You know,

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we based on the modus operendi,the mo of the incident, we really
only have one weekend where where therewas suspicious activity and there was a break
and that was the first week ofMarch. Prior to that calendar year twenty
twenty three, there was only therewas only two incidents that we can match

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the same modus OPERENDI too. Sowhen we heard that it was up to
maybe close to seven with this onegang, it's up to maybe four.
I can't speak to other communities,no, just in Brooklyn because I thought
on the zoom meaning I heard seven, I think that went back through twenty
twenty two through do you think theseguys are around twenty two? This is

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a new group. It sounds likeit's it may not be the same actual
people, but it's the same emo. It's the same same type of crime.
And we see house breaks from timeto time that I don't know,
let's call it just a typical housebreak. These seem to be more sophisticated,
better planned out, better equipment therein and out. They know exactly

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what they're doing. But out ofthat video that I saw that we alsaw
these are not Americans speaking people.We know that right, correct? Okay,
So, like I said, someof my clients listen to it seemed
like it was coming out of CentralAmerica and they, as I hear,
they have what's the device that canlock down your Wi Fi? They have
some sort of a jammer, atleast we believe in some cases there have

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been Wi Fi jammers which can affectwireless security cameras. So and we've had
other break ins in our areas.So it's just become what our areas just
many areas, not just our area, many areas. It's just a target
for what let's go rob Look,I'm a product of nineteen eighty two.
Right when your house got robbed innineteen eighty two or seventy and you're a

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teenager, typically you weren't home.Typically there were professional robbers. If there
was such a thing as professional robbers, I guess that's what the profession was.
A robbers. They weren't going tocome in your house at night time.
They came during the day. AndI think everybody would agree. If
you're going to rob me and I'minsured during the day, then go rob
me. But this nighttime stuff isnothing. Nobody likes this. That's the

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scariest thing about it is when theycome in when someone's home, right,
so they'll they'll pick larger homes justfor that for that reason. If somebody
is home there on the other sideof the of the house. We're talking
about, you know, really largeproperties here, I would know that.
I'm just a builder. Yeah,just a builder. Yeah, I'm actually
the one building those large homes ifyou're regaling. But that's the most that's
the scariest part is the fact that's, you know, the idea that somebody

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will are brazen enough to come inwhile you're home. You use the right
word, you know, word Iuse that's really ballsy. Yes, yeah,
I can't say that yet. Iknow that's a girl. I just
use it real. Okay, whatmade you guys want to be com police
officers? Well, I grew upin Brookline. I grew up in I
don't know if you can refer toit as the point and yeah point,

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yeah, you know. Yeah.So my my mother grew up in the
same house, so we were secondgeneration in the same house. And I
knew all the neighborhood cops. Soit's not like your dad was a cops
my dad. No, My dadwas a custodian at Nina High School and
my mother worked for Beth Israel inthe human resources division, and we just
knew all the neighborhood cops. Andit just seemed like and you have to

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understand, I'm much. I'm aproduct of the eighties, right right,
and I'm too old. No whathow old? I'm fifty nine? What
are you? I'm forty six.I just turned I feel really bad.
Few not okay, So you don'tto understand. Back in the eighties and
nineties, what was the most populartelevision show on Fox? It was Cops?
Right, So that's where I gotall my internet. This is pre

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this is pre internet. I couldn'tgoogle anything back then, Cindy, I
hear. So that was all myinformation was watching Cops and it seemed exciting,
and that's googling band. I wasa lesbian builder. Google it.
Oh is that right? You knowI'm married with two kids. Okay,
yeah, she must be gaged tothe building. No, I get it,
I get it. Go ahead.So that was this preaked my interest.
I went to college for criminal justice, and I know I was nine

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months out of out of college whenI took the exam. All right,
hold that off, one man,we gotta go off to break. I'm
Sidney Stumble And you listen Toughest Nailson WBZ News Radio. Tent there and
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think it's cool left the food.Welcome back to Toughest Nails on WBZ News
Radio. Tent there and I'm Sidneystump On and I'm here with my daughter
Samantha, and I'm here with whogood guys. Sergeant Rob de Sario Brookline
pet Get used to radio Deputy SuperintendentPaul cam Okay, that's a little bit
of an agy song, as peoplewould say that we just broke in,
but it's it has a lot ofmeeting right like this the stuff that's going

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around the whole country. That songtook some criticism. Friend of mine,
Christy No South Dakota Governor got rightbehind him and stood behind that song was
now racial, nothing about it.It was just it's called respect, respect
of the law. And that's whatwe've lost here. We've lost law and
order in respecting the men in blueand the women in blue. Right.

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That's why I asked you why youknow you became a cop, and that
was your answer. Now fast forwardtoday. Like people always ask me,
if you had a due over Cindy, would you change your career? My
answers always know I wouldn't change athing. Given the opportunity today, twenty
three years old, coming out ofcollege twenty one, twenty two, would
you have picked the same not knowingwhat you know now? And that's a

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very difficult question. Okay, Ilike asking a lot of I can ask
you some easy one, like let'sgo. I like difficult. Okay,
you got it. There's a lotof positives to the police service, and
I'm glad I got into it whenI did. But if you know,
if I was there were different optionsfor me today if I was in the

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same position. So I kind ofdodged your questions. Okay, I'm gonna
answer the question. I'm gonna askthe question differently. Okay, do you
feel like when you first became apolice officer there was more of a respect
factor? And let me clarify somethingto all my listeners. There's always gonna
be good cops and bad cops,and there's always gonna be good doctors and

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bad doctors, and good lawyers andbad lawyers, and good accountants and bad
accountants and good people and bad people, good builders and bad buildings, and
good builders and bad builders, andgood brokers and bad brokers, and good
financial advisors and bad financial advisors.Okay, that's just the way of the
world. Most cops I've ever knownin my both cities Newtonberg Line have been
great guys. Okay. Yeah.If I got pulled over, guess what,

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guys, I was speeding. Ididn't sit there and say what I
do and play stupid. My fathersaid, listen, you get pulled over,
just admit what you did and maybethe cop will be nice enough to
let you go with a warning andmaybe not. But own yourself, hold
yourself accountable. That Hammond Street,I've probably been pulled over, were anybody
else on Hammond Street? Okay inall those years, yep? I know

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what they did, you know.And again, you know, I've been
a building here for so long,so every once in a while, you
know, they do detail. TheyI'd get a break, Sidney, just
keep driving, slow it down,you know what I mean, and yell
at me like slow it down,not nicely. You know, he's right,
slow it down. He's saving mylife and somebody else's life. So

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you know, I always say,look at if you have a reason to
feel the cops, then you shouldfeel cops. Not a drug dealer,
not killing people. I'm not doinganything wrong, So I don't feel you
guys, right, and the storyand what's the worst that can happen?
You receive a citation, what's thebig deal? Okay? And my insurance
goes up. But again, seriously, like, just hold yourself accountable.

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I think the attitude towards the policeas more society based than it is an
actual occupation. I just so disrespectedout there. Come on, he's so
disrespected there. So I came onin a very unique position. So I
was in the academy when September eleventhhappened. And if you remember, oh,
you mean a day that everybody forgetsthis country. Yeah, oh and

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the other the other people that saywe did this ourselves. It was an
inside job. It was an insidejob. Ye, September eleventh, I
was in the academy. So Iwas at in and we were graduating in
November. So two months after Septembereleventh, we were graduating. So if
you remember, everybody had flags ontheir cars, everybody was very paid.
The country came together everybody loved firefighters, but everybody loved cops because there's a

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lot of cops that died that daytoo, and who ran, by the
way, are still losing their livesfrom nine to eleven from breathing in all
that from from psych guys that cameout afterwards and cleaned it up. No
one wants to know that. Noone remembers that because they don't talk about
anymore. So when I came on, I just thought that was normal.
So when I graduated in November,I had people by and my coffee I
don't go, don't and shake inmy hand, thank you very much.

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You felt proud and it was veryit was very proper. But I just
thought that was normal, Yeah,welcome, because I didn't know any better.
But then some of the older guyslike, yeah, this is not
how it usually goes. But everybodywas still, you know, coming off
the nine to eleven hangover that theywere just kind of like, yeah,
that hangover might be coming again.I have no proof of anything, so
I'm not in discriminating myself, butthe way you see the country going down,

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this one phase me and I wouldn'tphase anybody at this point. So
all I'm saying. I was tryingto get to the point that if anybody
that has stayed on, I knowBrookline Newton as we were talking earlier,
have left the force three years offof thirty years. Now, when you
do your thirty years, you're fullpensioned out. Correct, thirty two years

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thy two years. You have tobe a certain age too, you have
to be fifty five. Okay,so if you live, if you leave
two three years earlier, what isthat a difference in a paycheck? It's
a big difference. Correct, Youknow, you're going from eighty percent,
so maybe even into the sixties.Okay, about two and a half percent.
Okay, that's a big deal.That's a big deal at the end,
after you serve for thirty two yearsand you leave two three years early

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because you can't take any more stress, right, the stress the job.
But the big one was nobody hadyour backs. The politicians didn't have your
backs. The mayor is the thisthe that they no one has your back,
So you're out there fighting a fightalone. And the things I heard
from many community cops is like I'mout, I'm done, it's not worth

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it. I'm not going to getsued I'm not putting my life on the
line if I do something, ifI'm found guilty, I could end up
in jail. So I'm done.And that's kind of the number one issue
that I see is people are afraidto do that you're supposed to do because
of being It's not so much criminalchanges, it's more being sued. You
know. I put hands on thisperson, you know, and I was

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justified, and everybody's going to cameraout. Everyone's got a camera too,
so and then they'll add it outwhat they don't want you to see,
right, the truth, right,everything is, everything is added, there's
no question, and then everything isout of context too. And only the
TikTok video was only fifteen to twentyseconds, so everything that led up to
that fifteen and twenty seconds has beenheeded out. So yeah, it's a

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completely different world. And it wasn'tlike that when I came on. And
I'm sure the deputy, you know, when he came on, they were
still on horseback. But how longyou've been on deputy twenty five years?
I came on in ninety eight anda nice way of calling him old,
I would never I would never dothat. It's got a custom the game
here. All right, here's aquestion to you, the same question.

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You like your job. I do. It's there's been ups and downs for
sure. And you know he mentionedSeptember eleventh, when you know after that,
there was there were, there wereit was a great feeling. America
came together. You know, marathonbombing was the same thing. After the
marathon bombing. Yeap. Most peopleforget that one too. Yeah. I

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was in a Twitter room recently.Yeah, they said in the Twitter room,
Yeah, that was French people thatdid that. I'm like, we
did you read that? You idiot? Like wire you coming up? I'm
on that stupid thing, fighting withpeople every night, Like I need to
get a life, right raise Iget off that Twitter right now. I'm
like, no, I'm not gettingoff. There's no fight. I won't
fight, Okay. So this iswhat I don't understand, guys. You

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know, when you get into thesedebates for people, they'll say, well,
crime's down one percent. Well maybeit's down one percent in your area,
but it's up in our area.So how do they say crimes down
one percent? Not that's a bigswing, by the way, one percent.
I'm not taking those odds, bythe way one percent is not the
odds I want to take. Iscrime up in our area? So in

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Brookline, yeah, I think crimeis up over the last couple of years.
Okay, not up dramatically, butcertainly not down really, because I
don't remember all these home breakings,and I build most these homes, these
new homes, the last thirty sixyears here, so I don't recall this
is this is all Google crazy tome. This is not something I recall.
You have. Of course you heardabout a break in, but it

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wasn't like five guys running through abackyard with backpacks like I never saw that
before. Well, I also thinkcertain types of crimes are going to make
a bigger impact. Right If youleave your car unlocked and you come out
in the morning and someone has riflethrough your car and they slow your change
they had in the center console,you don't feel good about that. But
it's not quite the same thing asif you learn that someone broke into your

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next door neighbors home while the homewhile the residents were in the house,
And that's the kind of thing thatthat makes a huge impact. You know
that that contributes to fear of crimein a way that someone's stealing loose change
from your car isn't going to doso it You know that, you know,
even if the percentages, you know, if the crime rate stays exactly
the same, the type of crimemakes it makes a huge difference of you

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know, similar people applying for licensedto care in auto. Yeah, there
is an increase, substantial increase.Yes, And how hard is it now
in the town of Brookline to geta license to carry? Well, I'm
not the one who is them,but uh, you know, the Supreme
Court, the Bruined decision came outa couple of years ago that that made

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it easier to get a license tocarry as long as you're a good person.
Yeah, with no record, nobackground, no nothing. Yeah,
I forget exactly what. But there'sa suit suitabil I thought I gotta go
to break com Siddy stompoint and listenedTough as Nails and w BZ News Radio
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Carpet And Welcome to Tough as NailsAnd I'm Sydney Stumpone. You're at WBZ

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News Radio ten thirty. I'm herewith Maantha and Deputy Superintendent Paul Campbell from
the Brookline Police Department and Sajara robDeSario from Brooklyn Peuty. Okay, so
people are applying for licenses and thatamendment is being honored. Yes, the
standard to evaluate who gets a licenseto carry has changed, and so it

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is there. It's easier now toget a license care. Okay, let's
talk about that now, because I'mdebating this with a lot of people across
the country on Twitter spaces. Let'stalk about there are states that have what
we used to call the King ofthe Castle law. Right, you came
in my home. I live inTexas, I live in Florida. Certain
states we have Massachusetts, can somebodyexplain. Let's choose me. Hypothetically,

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somebody breaks into my home. Whatis the first thing I'm supposed to do.
Let's give people the rundown on whatthey're supposed to do. To your
knowledge, call nine one one andif you can't get out of the house.
Okay, So remember I have agun, Right, I can protect
myself hypothetically, Right, I haveto get to a phone to call you.

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But maybe I'm in the shower.I just got the shower. I
can't get to a phone. Tocall you, but I'm fine not to
have my gun in the bathroom.Hypothetically you're coming. Let's say I can't
get out of the bathroom. Ican't get to a phone and call you.
I hit the panic button, butthese thieves have a set way of
knocking down my Wi Fi system.What happens next if I can't get to

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safety, I can't get out ofthe house, right, because that's the
rules. I'm supposed to get outof the house if I can't call you
because half our WiFi sometimes doesn't workin any ways. Right, You're like
home phones are important. People puthome phones back in your houses. Right,
that's important. If I can't getout of the house and go the
way you just told me, andI can't get to I'm locked in the

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bathroom, hypothetically, what do Ido next? Now you come in the
bathroom? What are my rights?Do I have any rights? Or really
no rights? Still? What isthe how's this? How's this? Tell
me? What the what the statuereads? Here? What is do we
know what it really reads because itseems like everybody interprets it differently or do

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we not really have an answer?In Massachusetts? So if you're out and
about the in society, pathetically,hypothetically, if you're out and about in
society, you have a duty toretreat if you if there's what does that
mean retreat? You need to removeyourself from whatever the situation is. And
what if the person's on my back? Now I can't retreat. But then
you have every right to defend yourself. And will I get arrested when the

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police come to the house until youfigure out what happened, what will happen
or hypothetic just hypothetic, will bearrested? I'll be arrested. No,
it depends on when, it dependson when you call it quits. Right,
So there's a you have. Youhave every right to defend yourself.
If you're on the street and you'rebeing assaulted or something, you can defend

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yourself. Right, you have totake a reasonable means to defend yourself.
Anything past that reasonableness. But thenagain, looks at that what's reasonable what
isn't reasonable? Right? I can'tspeak to what a DA would do,
but as a responding police officer,I'm obviously pete. Let's say everybody separated.

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I'm interviewing this person. I'm interviewingthis person. I'm interviewing witnesses that
were on the street or on thetrain. Tell me what happened. Everybody
gets pulled in. Everybody gets pulledin, unless that might be hypothetically dead.
Now, if there's any question whatsoever, the officer's going to write up
the report and it's going to submitit to the ADA in the eight or
the clerk magistrate, and they're goingto decide whether or not our charges should

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be filed against you. And Ithink for the police, that's that that's
the simplest, easiest way for usto determine. Because point about, I
guess that this is my home.I pay taxes here. This is where
I'm supposed to come home and feelsafe. Everybody walks the door. It's
supposed to be. Okay, Igot enough stress at work all day,

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enough stress with the kids all day. Now, I want to come home
and I want to feel safe wherea lot of people don't feel safe anymore.
But okay, I get the wayI interpret the law, and I've
read it five times. I haveto be you have to pretty much be
right on top of me as alicense holder to use that weapon. That's
the way I'm interpreting it. Andthen the other interpretation is you come in

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and you you kill me, orI kill you. I kill you.
No, I kill you. Youdon't kill me, okay, because then
you'd be sued. It's my home. I kill you because you're right on
top of me. I get mygun out and somehow I put the ball
through your belly somehow, Right,I watched a lot of movies, right,
so I'm going buy movies. Okay, Now your wife comes out,

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your mother, your father, yoursister, your and I'm sued civilly because
that's coming next, especially if there'ssomething to get, which is insurance money.
Right, So I don't have thatproblem because I don't have But you
don't have anything, so you can'tfor anything. But if you own a
home, you do have something,right, and maybe the deputy can talk

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because but there is a there isa castle doctrine, whereas if you're there's
a certain level of threat that youare being threatened in your home. So
one of the things they have toevaluate, let's say the responding officer of
response to my home, they haveto evaluate the motive, Right, what
was the person breaking into the housefor? Is he a simple petty theft
or is he going to kill me? Is he is? He is?

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There social media posts about how hehates sageant Rob and he is going to
get him at any Okay, you'vegot to get revenge, right. So
there's a lot of different there's notone clear black and white answer. There's
a lot of a lot of gray, and there's a lot of difference.
So five people come in your house, I mean it's you know, what
is their motive? Why are theycoming into my house? Does my house

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look dilapidated? You know? Arethey squatters as opposed to another problem?
We have the problems we have herein the States. Yeah, and you
know, is my house lived in? I mean, are my windows boarded
up? Can someone wrongfully think thatmy let's hypothetically say it's a beautiful class
to upper class neighborhood? Five peoplelights? Yeah, and they come in.

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You know they're asking they're asking fortrouble. You know, you're breaking
into someone's house with the TV onand the kids toys in the front yard
and a swim set in the backyard, and there's cars in the driveway.
Can we can we just establish herethat every da is going to read our
laws differently and proceed differently. Idon't think it's etched in stone correct the

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way I interpret it, and Ilike little. I've read it five times
and I've asked many people the samequestion, and everybody's got a different interpretation.
We're in Florida, Texas. Evenyour car is part of your home.
Just think broke in is Norfolk County. In Boston, Suffolk County,
you have two separate das there.You commit a shoplifting on one side of

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kalm Av, there's no you know, the AD will not prosecute certain crimes.
I don't know. If you rememberthe previous District Attorney for Suffer County,
she will not prosecute certain crimes.But that's that side of Commav,
that's Suffolk County. You cross thestreet to Brookline side of Kalmav and you
shoplift there. The Norfolk County DAwill prosecute shoplifting calls. So there's a

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well, I don't I don't know. I don't know about that. But
there was a lot of confusion,especially with the encampment on the under the
bu bridge. If you remember,a lot of people were coming over into
Brookline to shoplifts because there's convenient,you just cross over there. So we
would stop them after the shoplifting.We would stop them. In some cases
we would arrest them. In somecases we would summon them in and they
were mystified by the fact that wewere taking any criminal action at all,

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and we would have to explain tothem, this is Brookline, this is
Norfolk County. That side of thestreet is Suffolk County. So now we're
all suffering. Well to your point, it varies by different das in different
counties, not just different states.Okay, So when Gucci says to me,
hey, it's not Boat's but apleasure doing business with you. But
we're stepping out of Bloomingdale's now becausewe're losing more than we're selling. And

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one of my best girlfriends leaves Bloomingdale'safter twenty something years and says, I'm
not looking at another gun. I'mnot looking at another gun in here where
they tell me to turn my backwhile they take thousands of dollars worth of
clothing and left. And by theway, her husband happens to be a
sogyant in Newton. Right that somethinghappened in Newton didn't have their backs either,

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Right, they're still on they're stillonto their investigation. Right. I
did nothing wrong, nothing wrong,right, Okay, but it is what
it is. So I just see, this is what I want. Is
it so bad for me to wantlaw and order? Is this so bad
that I want to make sure andI call nine to one one the cops

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are coming, whether I'm having aheart attack, whether my houseband is having
a stroke, whether we're being brokeninto? Is that so much? I
think most people want that? Sothat comes back to staffing, right,
So most police departments are struggling torecruit people to do the job. No,
that's just civil service in Brookline thatyou have to live here for one

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year to become a Brookline police officer, which I think somebody should go in
there and change that immediately under anemergency that we need fourteen Look, but
it's not unique to Brookline though,it's not unique to civil service communities.
Everybody is struggling for first for policeofficers. Okay, but no matter what.
Stay but when you put a yeardelay that you have to live in

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Brookline. And I'm using Brookline asexample, right, because you guys work
for Brookline, I live in Brookline. That law is going to go right,
and the whole that thought we're goingto go to break. It's always
sticking that stupid thing in my face. I'm send me stumbling and listening to
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to Tefess Nails. I'm sitting stumpon w Busy News Radio ten thirty and
I'm here with saman My daughter saidnot do them too much talking and go
ahead. Sergeant Robber sorry O BrooklinePD. That be Superintendent Paul Campbell,
Brookline. Okay, well we're justtalking about uh civil service and how you
have to reside in the town fora year before you can get residency preference.

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So that was that a thing?What's that? Why is that a
thing? We'll get to that ina second. That's been the ruling since
Look at Brookline's being run like it'sstill eighteen hundred. Okay, it's twenty
twenty four. We need a meer. Okay, it might have worked.
Why don't you might have worked forWhy don't you be merrima? Yeah,
I wanna been mere? Why notyou have a lot of opinions, do
because I didn't run the state likeit's nineteen seventy nine, no play.

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But okay, so here's a youngkid or young girl, young man,
woman, whatever, how theyre goingto afford to pay the rent and brook
line for a year to live hereto become a police officer. Tell me
I'm alias. So it's interesting thatyou say that, because when I was
taking the exam back in the nineteenhundreds, there was a lot of cri
There was a lot of competition forthe for the police and fire job up

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not even job. There was alot of competition. You were competing with,
you know, five or six hundredother residents. So the only thing
that residency gives you is a preference. You go to the top of the
list via civil service law rules,you go to the top of the list
if you have resided in the town. Now, that doesn't stop anybody from
taking the exam and being put onthe non residence list. I tried that

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with one of Chan's friends. Theysaid to me, verbatim, he's got
to live in Berkeley in order toget residency preference. Not to get higher,
you need police officers. So we'llget rid of all those laws right
now. How about an emergency injunction? So well, we don't need
emergency. I'll leave this to thedeputy to explain my deputy process is because

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he so right now, there isa discussion for Brookline to leave civil service,
and there's let's call it an agreementand principle between management and the union
to exit civil service. So Ido think in this year, twenty twenty
four, you'll probably see Brookline leavecivil service. And the problem that you're

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describing is not unique to Brookline.There are a number of communities. If
you were to ask ten years agothe surrounding communities, how many of them
are in civil service, the answerwould have been just about all of them.
And now people are leaving civil serviceand drove because of the situation that
you're describing. It does it reallydoes hinder your ability to run an efficient

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and effective police department. You wereasking it was the value good? You
were asking, what was the valueof being? Why was that even created?
So again, we're running Brookline likeit's seventeen eighteen hundred. Okay,
it's twenty twenty five, packing bagsbecause you're about to get a history lesson.
All right, well, I takethe history lesson. Yeah, I
think I do think years ago therewas real value in having a resonant preference.

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You get people police in the communitywho are from the community, which
is great, which I think there'sreal value in that because they knew the
streets, they understood the neighborhoods,they understood the people. That's exactly right.
And but where we've gotten away fromthat now and in some community like
Brookline, there's We're being very carefulwhat we say here right now, there's

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maybe less middle class in Brookline.You know, I grew up in Brookline,
Rob grew Yeah, the booklist,and everybody always thought that Brookline's rich,
Newton's rich. That's balloney, Okay. We had opera, we had
middle and we had projects and Iforgets that. Okay, Like we have
projects in Brookline, we have theprojects in Newton. I mean, like
people just think because we live inthis area that everybody's super rich. By

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the way, public housing, thereis public housing, and look at there's
generational wealth money here for sure.But I can tell you this as a
builder of thirty six years, myclients are all hard working people, hard
working people that go out there andbust their hump every day to give their
families a better life. That's reallythe truth. And I'm one of those

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people that have been busting my humbout there for thirty six years. But
the people being raised here, thekids that are being raised in Brookline,
don't want the civil service jobs.They don't want any jobs. They want
it for YouTube famous. They wantto be I don't know. They want
to tell us how to live ourlives. They want to be my What
do I get on link life coach? They want to be my life coach.
I get twenty year olds that wantto be my life coach. What

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are you going to teach me?I just gotta laugh at this next generation,
a bunch of aliens as I callthem. But as much as they
don't want to be police officers,they don't want to be plumbers, electricians
and they chase you guys either.I mean, we're all doing two young
kids. My son is eleven,he'll be turned eleven this year, and
I'm really advocating for the trade orthe trade. You know, unless the

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kid is an ab student. Youknow who your children are. And I
always say this to parents, andI run the game for fourteen years if
you are a kid to be anext question? No, next question,
absolutely no, No, it's funnyunless things changed growing up. I mean,
like you know, we need youknow, you know four or five,
six seven? Yea, a copywanted to be a cop ninety five?

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Did they talk about wanting to bea copy of kids? So now
I think he's more. Yeah,I don't know what he wants to do
now. But you know what here, here's what it comes down to with
kids today is we got to goback to teaching our kids' values, try
to teach them financial literacy, getthem off these devices, and put them

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back to work. I'm sure everybodyin this room, including my daughter,
that's had a privileged life, hada job by sixteen, okay, working
up bloom me deals, whether sheliked to. She got a car.
That car's gotta run on gas,right, Sam, go find a way
to pay for the guests. Butthat's that's not the that's not the trend.
It's you know, it's it's I'mgonna I think I think, you
know, especially Generation X, theydon't why keep changing these generations? What

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do you but, Sammy, whatare you called generation I don't know.
Actually, now, well I'm ababy boomer, so what do you I
have to I'd have to google itx. Well, anything under me,
anything under the age of forty isall crazy. And I think thirty five
thirty six the tipping point, andanything out of thirty five is absolutely aliens.
We're doing the disservice by not forcingthem into oh, playing the parents.

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You got to go get a job. So what did we do different?
I asked myself all the time,and I'll tell you when my antients
had nothing, so you know,we had zero, We had nothing,
Okay, So like we didn't havea choice. If you wanted back to
school clothes, you had to goget it. At fourteen, you had
to get a job shining shoes,delivery papers. But every time of Morgan's
pharmacy, of course I do.That's why I work, Okay, for

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sure. So here here's the problemthough, This is what I think the
problem is. We know too much. It came out of our generations,
things that we're hitting under the copyright. I call my parents and my
grandparents' generation the hitting generation. Butunfortunately ancestries bringing all everything out like oh,
I have a first constant over here, didn't know that existed. Oh
I got a brother over here ora sister, right, okay, didn't

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know that existed. They like tohit in generation. I think my generation
found out more about coaches and teachersand molestation and and things going on in
people's homes that shouldn't have been goingon. And I think that's when we
got nervous and said, I wantto protect my kids from any of that
craziness. Right right, bubble wraps, I was a helicopter. I'll be

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the first admit that I am too, and you are too. I mean,
I can't avoid it like that becauseyou see the real world every day
exactly right, But and so donot I because see the difference is I
work in construction and don't get realerthan that. You see the drug problems,
you see the alcohol problems out here. You see me holding my guys
up straight, you know what Imean. It's got better over time because

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they're getting older. But the epidemicand drugs and alcohol and construction have always
been huge. So I've had todeal with this my whole thirty six year
career. Right, I don't getto go to work with guys that graduate
brown, mit and Harvard. Let'sjust call it. The wait is are
they all great guys? Absolutely?I'd rather work with those guys all day
long than the elite because these guyskeep it real, which keeps all of

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our lives real, and they're goodguys. Just because a guy runs into
a drug problem, when alcohol problemdoesn't make them a bad or her a
bad person. You just go gethelp. It's a disease like gaming else.
But look, I've never seen whatI've seen the last couple of years.
Here every job of mine's getting hit. I never had jobs getting hit.

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We've probably lost in the last twothree years, well over a quarter
of a million dollars worth of products. And then the police say, why
don't you call me, Cindy?What are you going to do? Why
am I going to waste your timeon a call because we got robbed.
I'm not putting the insurance claimant.We don't because of my insurance will go
up and I got to eat itevery time. And what am I gonna
do bother you guys? Well,I have more important things to do in

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the act. In the act,call I like those in the act.
In the act. I got aguys in the field. You think they're
gonna get away with anything, Youwon't even have to show up. All
you show up, right, Igot a hundred guys on the job site,
so like, go ahead and getthem down like that's easy butt.
But they don't do it when we'rethere. They do it when we're not
there. And then we come backto work the next day and we see

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that's there, so we see theproducts missing. Now we're doing everything we
cannot power. Do you think there'sany what what's the best device that you
can give to me? Just pretendme for community leaders? Get out there
and vote. What do we haveto do as a community to make our
towns and cities better? You gottwenty three seconds stance of that. Hold

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people accountable? So everybody, sothe criminal everyone complains about the criminal justice
system. Everybody has to do therejob. What can we do to make
your lives easier? Call us?No, we can't call you. We
have to call somebody that's above you. Who do we get in touch with?
Hold people are accountable? That's that'sthe only thing I do. Everybody
has to do their job. Thecourts have to do their job, the

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the you know, you know,with their clothes and jails because they don't
have enough prisoners. I mean,police have to do their job. We
have to look's I got to goto break again. I'm City Stumpy.
Listen Toughest Nails on WBZ News Radioten Theory. It'll be right back and
welcome back to its Toughest Nails onWBZ News Radio ten Theory. And I'm

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Sydney Stumpo and I'm here with Samantha. You're saying a lot tonight, Sergeant
Robin the sorry about gryd Pete,Paul Campbell, w superintendent and I can't
thank you guys enough for coming in. What's going on? Let's let's end.
That's What's something fun? Well,one event we have coming up in
August, it's August sixth. It'scalled National Night Out. This is where
the police in the community come togetherfor a good time. We have food
there, we have rides for kids. One of the things we're asking for

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local commercial businesses or anybody that wantsto donate, is we to sponsor a
ride. We have several kiddy ridesthat are going to come from American Amusements
and we want them to so weneed the local businesses. Yes, maybe
locals just to help support this andthey can reach out to me police events
at Forma Duco and that's it thateasy. It's easy. So see Stumbo

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Development can make a donation, right, that would be great. Hit me
up, Okay, I'm Cindy Stumbleyou listen Toughest Nails on WBZ News Radio
ten thirty. Have a great,safe weekend, and we'll see you next week.