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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And welcome to Cindy Stampo tough his nails on WBZ
and I'm in studio tonight with Jesse Foster.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Nice to have you again.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Jesse's learning the ropes because Sammy's got a life besides
just giving up every Saturday night to be on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And who's in the studio and you are?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
I'm maryon Ryan. The privilege of being the district Attorney
in Middlesex County.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
What does that mean and how long you've been there?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I have been the district attorney for twelve years, and
it means that my primary mission is the protection of
the public safety in Middlesex County and that comes primarily
through the investigation and prosecution of cases.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Has that been a hard job when you're from the
best in the world, the best job in the world.
I'll say the same thing about my job, but I
will tell you I think it was hard for me
at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Was it hard for you at the beginning?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yes, The learning curve is steep, and when I started
doing this work, it was a very different world, I
think for women.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So you're saying here that when you first started it
was tougher obviously, was it that you're a woman or
you were just had to learn a lot more.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
There's a lot to learn, and there were many fewer
women doing this work.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So you come in, were you respected or you had
to earn that?
Speaker 5 (01:21):
You had to earn that.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I think, you know, anybody who's a trial lawyer has
to earn that respect. And you've got to understand the
seriousness of what you're doing. You know, the prosecutions we
do can cause people to learn, lose their liberty, and
be incarcerated. So you've got to be thinking all the
time about the seriousness of that.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Have you ever looked back in your career and said,
or any deeds anybody that has stood in your position
said maybe that person shouldn't have went to jail, or
maybe that person should have went to jail, both vice
versa or no.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well, I think, you know, we obviously subscribe to that
view in this country that it is better that somebody
who is guilty be found not guilty than that we
get the wrong person and put them in jail. But
I think one of the pieces to me is that
we really understand that, like any other profession, we're fallible,
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and that's why the first thing that I did when
I became DA was to create a conviction integrity unit
so that if someone were saying I shouldn't be here,
this is wrong, You've got it wrong, we had a
way to be looking at that.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Okay, oh that's a tough job. I like my job,
and in your job, there's too much more stress in
your job.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Hey, we're all. All of us are good at different things.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
See my promise.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I have too much empathy, Like I would feel bad
for the person that killed the person, and I feel
bad for the person that got killed, And why is
that person so sick that they kill the person?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
All those people I know, these guides, and that's a
balance we are always working on.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
We're eating kit Catcher, crime Junkies and all those crime
shows like that is my number one favorite thing to watch.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
And then that's the other thing is mental illness out there,
which is a lot right now, right.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
So mental illness and substance abuse are probably present in
some combination in all cases eighty percent of the people that.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Wow, that doesn't surprise me though.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
And what comes first?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I always say that mental illness comes first and the
addiction comes afterwards. That's my personal my personal beliefs being
in construction for as long as I have and watching
the epidemic of it in my.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Business union non union.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
There's always an underlining problem before I see the guy
move over to the painkillers and then to the opio,
you know, to the and there was either he was shy,
or he was not popular, or there's always a different story. Yeah,
sexual molestation came out later on life, right. I seem
to be like the mother to all the guys. They
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come tell me their stories, but not they're wise. I'm like,
you need to tell you wife this. No, I can't
tell my wife this.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
But because you're one of the guys, you know, they trust.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I just, you know, I just I believe that eighty
percent of the things bad people do is because they're
under and then there's just a twenty percent.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Then there's just bad people.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
They just do bad things because it's just Google crazy, right.
I don't like Google crazy people. Those people just whatever.
Some days, I'm okay. Jesse is in training on co hosting.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
I ask, I mean, I got the question. First of all,
I have so many questions. I think your your job
is so important and so interesting. What are the biggest
challenges that you have that you face on daily or
weekly basis.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I'd say one of the biggest challenges right now is
the lack of really effective available.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Mental health treatment.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Oh gosh, so even for people who have insurance, their
ability to find a treatment that's going to be effective,
be able to get into that treatment program when they
need to go, right, you know, because when people see
a moment when they're willing to do treatment.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
You've got to strike.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
And also because leaving people out of treatment can often
put them in danger, put other people other nature.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, but again, we don't have enough people to run
these treatment centers. How do we don't have enough psychiatrists?
We don't have enough psychologists, and psychiatrists aren't getting into
this field.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
They're not coming out of medical school.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Do the statistics on how many people are becoming a
psychiatrists think about that job.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You're listening to.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Other jobs that aren't like you know, you don't necessarily
have to be like a psychiatrist.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Or I think we have to think more in reimagining
how that works. Because you know, even if we took
people today and decided, Okay, these hundred people are willing
to be psychiatrists, you're looking at you know, probably a
seven eight year window right before they're ready.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
To do training.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
And it's anything in life though, any job, any career,
you got to work towards it. But how do you
get to that level being able to truly help these people.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Through these Well in the meantime, you've got people right
now who need help. Right we also have to be
thoughtful enough about it. You don't want somebody who isn't
really qualified in a spot because getting bad treatment is
even worse.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
If I'm going to sit here and I'm going to
talk to you as a psychiatrist, and I'm going to
pay you four dollars an hour whatever you're going rate is,
and you want to see me on zoom, I have
a problem with that. I have a problem with that.
You need to watch my mannerisms. You need to see
if my leg is shaking? Am I doing this? Am
I what am I doing?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Like? You need to feel me. You gotta that.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I don't understand how you can help people on zoom
now once you know your patient, right, fine.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
I mean they're off that way.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
There is a balance because one of the things that
we did see through COVID is I represent Middlesex which
is large.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
There are parts of our.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
County that are incredibly rural where public transportation is not
an option. And the other piece that we forget about
is even when you have public transportation, it's expensive, especially
sometimes if you've got to take a couple of kids
with you, or you got to do some you know.
So I had many people who were able to get
treatment during COVID who weren't able to get to treatment before,
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and that became an honest I can't.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Believe this has become part of your job. This has
changed drastically when I look at this. You guys are
taking and recovery. You're teaching kids how to go into trades,
the building trades of New England. What's that all about?
What are you doing what I've been doing the last
fourteen years, trying to get kids into the trades, teaching
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that plumbers, electricians and HVAC guys make more money than
the average doctor, average lawyer, average accountant.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
You know. The trades are fourteen They're an interesting.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Peace because they are very forgiving for somebody who's had
some difficulties, maybe has some a prior record.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
The trades are one place that's.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Very forgiving, for sure, correct to give them a job
where they can make good money, they can get benefits.
If they need treatment, they can be doing that. It
is also a place where we have seen the number
of people who suffer from opioid misuse or an overdose
is very high.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Of the people.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Between the ages of sixteen and sixty five who suffer
a fatal overdose, one sixth of them have been in
the trades, you know, for lots of reasons.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Pay that thought for me was going to break. I'm
Cindy Snowpoint.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You listen to tapes Nails on WBZ, would be right
back and welcome back to tapest Nails on WBZ, and
I'm here with Jesse Foster.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
And Marion Ryan. That is the what the Middlesex district attorney.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You think people dislike people that are district attorneys when
they hear that. That's when I asked you, I'm going
off by ninety five for a second here, I think like.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh my god, she's just a whole journey. Yikes.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Really meets us in a happy moment.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Either something bad has happened to them, something bad has
happened to somebody in their family. They've witnessed something and
now we're trying to get them to be willing to
cooperate with us, or somebody they love is accused of
a crime, and I think.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
That, I'm so happy I've got to meet you in
all good terms.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
That piece doesn't even know it's coming down the road.
But right now, all the other things we do.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Okay, so get it.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
You're saying one six of the people in my business
are in drugs, opioids, whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Alcohol.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
If you could wave a magic one, no more alcohol,
no more drugs, would you do that?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I think there's you know, everybody, no, look at drugs, right.
The same drugs that people use, these opioids, for instance,
also do amazing things for people when they use properly,
like what you know they use for the treatment of
chronic pain, for instance.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Sometimes they make life bearable for people.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
How long as you think you could take those before
you are now stuck on them.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I think it depends on the person, the dosage, the problem,
how well you monitor.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
They say two weeks you can become addicted to any pain.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Oh, you can certainly become addicted, And it depends, but
that assumes a success.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I get pain in my seat. I could take a
pain call. I'm gonna take three, and I'm gonna take
three advalle. I'm gonna keep taking three advil blow my stomach.
But I've never had a drink in my life.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
You've never You don't have an addictive personality like for me,
for instance, I fell and hit my back like we
do have in my family, like slight addictive personalities like
I probably wouldn't even take that medication in fear of
like I might like depend on this, I might say.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I always said to my kids, if you never try it,
you'll never know if you like it. If you try
it one day, it's fun time, prior time, and then
it's it owns you. Yeah, so if you never try it.
So I never drank. I never had to drink marian
because I was afraid. I worked in my father's nightclub.
I was like, oh boy, these girls are making fools
of themselves. I don't want to coming up to the bar.
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I'm seventeen. We could serve of liqu back that at
sixty and a half, go home with that guy lesson
you don't remember, like, Okay, this is something I don't
want to do.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
That was my choice right. It made an impact on me.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
But to see that you guys are doing so much
to help the community, it's wonderful, Well you have to
do this is just mind blowing to me. I never
realized that you guys are doing all of this work.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
It's really my hope that we take terrible things and
learn from them and then put those lessons to work
to help people.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
But Maria does a leopard change his spots, you.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Know, recovery.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
We see people who I've We've seen people that I
have seen at their lowest points, and I have seen them.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Get to successful recovery.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I think right now of somebody that we prosecuted many
many times, who hit as far down as you could go,
and there were lots of offers of treatment, lots of
taking of treatment, treatment that wasn't successful, and then they
found the right treatment program. That person has now been
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sober for years and is involved in a program of
helping people themselves now running treatment programs.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Wow, unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
So when you, I mean, what do you think would
keep someone in a program or how can we get
someone to say they finished the program, they leave not
come back into that program.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I think you have to be realistic about the fact
that recovery includes some slips and bed missteps. And I
think it's taken people a long time to realize that.
You know, for instance, in drug court, you know, when
somebody is in the program and they have a misstep,
yes there are consequences, but we don't kick them out
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of the program. Good you know, because every when you
become educated about recovery, you know there were going to
be some returning to bay.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah, right right, Wow, It's it's wild.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Do you think that COVID had an impact on these
like the rate at which people like whether it be
mental illness skyrocketed or using drugs or just whether it
be recreational or what have you like, did that increase
in your experience or in your opinion?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I think it did in that people were isolated for
a long time. I think we know from many people
that suffer from, you know, some form of some different
forms of mental illness. Isolation is not a good thing.
I think we all kind of lost the ability to
socialize and connect, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
I mean, I think for.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Everybody, people are still they they operate socially a little
bit differently.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I do. I don't want to I don't want to
be crowds.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
If I'm a crowd, I want to be outside. I
don't want to be inside going to any event inside.
I don't be around all the I'm not a germophobic,
but I don't want to be around all these German people. Right,
And I see a baby with running nose and get
the baby?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Wait from me?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Like who I also said about babies like that because
they're a little German sponges.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
But no, people, people change?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
It did change, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
It ruined like that social aspect for me a little
like and like I'm less willing to go out and
hang out with people now because I'm like, man, I
could just stay home and watch Netflix, like I don't
need to go out and.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Right, or you can get on I sit on on
an app called Chatter, right, and I sit on the
board and I run rooms and I love it because
we'll have rooms on It doesn't matter. It could be mindset,
Like there's words I don't use that this generations all
the time.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
What's the other word? What's my other word?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Manifest?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Oh yeah, I'm going to manifest on a twenty five
right now. And I'm a supermodel and I'm going to
be six y three. Oh hold on, I just opened
my eyes. Oh I'm still looking the way I look.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I can see myself, so you look stunning.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I just think that.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
We get on these apps and they're great because this one,
this chatter one, you go right on camera. You can
have twenty people on camera and we're all debating each
other on certain things, right, and it's fun.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I actually, but you have to have the person.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I want to do that too, right, So I'll run
a five o'clock business room during the week almost every
you know, every night at five o'clock, and then just
keeps building and building and building. And I'm just realizing
through social audio, not social like Instagram, Facebook, social audio,
there's so many lonely people out there. They come home
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to an empty house, they don't have anybody. And I
know now the drinkers, you know what I mean. I've get
to know the people on there, and I'll be like, Okay, Shelley,
I see you've had your third drink. Cut the drink
out right because you can see they're getting you know, animated.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Okay, how much? And Billy, how much part of you
smoke tonight?
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Like as the night goes because the mom can run.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Sometimes from five o'clock I'll step out some it will
take over for me.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I'll come back at eight, nine o'clock or stay right
through it.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You can see and I'll say, okay, yeah, I'll say, guys,
get you, I'm shutting down the room.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I'm tied.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
No, don't shut down the room. And then like on
a Friday night, it's like, okay, everybody just released. But
there's a lot of lonely people up and they depend
on those those people that they can look up to. Right,
And I'll say, guys, look, I keep it real, like
I'm not perfect. I'm out here making the same mistakes. Mistakes,
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don't you can't look at my life now, thirty seven
years later. I've got battle scars that are bigger than
most people in this room.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Okay, So like.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
They want to see you today, they don't want to
see the pain that you've put into your career and
the guilt as a mom and the things that you've
missed being a mom. Right, everybody just thinks it's easy
you just get there. You don't just get there. It's
hard work. It's tenacity, it's pushing that rock up that mountain.
Every day. And if you happen to be oppressed with empathy,
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it's hard to do your job. It's even hard to
do my job because you want to just keep forgiving
and forgiving and forgiving, but you can't. And you're a
line of work because somebody's gonna get hurt. But I
do not believe that we just put people in jail.
That's not the answer either. If they have an alcohol problem,
if they have a mental problem, let's not just stick
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them in jail. But we're gonna put in a hospital.
But if you don't have insurance, self played at McLean's
is crazy money, right, So wh is the answer? What
is the answer? We closed down all the state hospitals
and what year do you remember, like some of the nineties.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Yeah, before that, really they started.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Do you know why they closed down these hospitals? Can remember?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I don't think there was and this was appropriate in
many respects.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
There was.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
There were many people who suffer from a mental illness,
for instance, who still have civil rights, and they should be.
They were able to make some decisions for themselves, some
ability to have some ability to how they want to
live their life. You know, we had some places where
the conditions were wonderful, and the problem is we've had
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a hard time trying to strike a balance from all
of that.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay, well that thought.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
This is Cindy Stumbley listened Toughest Nails in WBZ and
welcome back to Toughest Nails on WBZ.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
And I'm here with welcome.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Welcome Jesse Foster and Marion Ryan, the district attorney in
Middlesex County.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I love the way you say that. You say that
with authority.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay, I'm City Stumpy from Sea Stumple Development and I'm
gonna break your face.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
No, there you go.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Guys, can you please come to work? Do I have
to keep chasing you? Right? You're talking about Jesse. You
had a question?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, I do so. As we all know, summer's coming.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
There are I see here that you have some new
adaptive swim programs for kids with special needs.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Sure? You know.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
One of the saddest things that we do is troopers
in our office, which respond anytime we have someone who
suffers a death by drowning always sad, just incredibly sad
when it's a child. And we have worked very hard
over the last decade to really reduce those numbers, because
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for kids, it really.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Comes in three forms.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Usually one is what we all think about, the toddler
who's kind of left unattended or gets away from somebody,
something terrible happens. The second is kids in what we
have in some parts of our county kind of ornamental water,
you know, there's a koi pond, there's those big fountains,
things like that.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
The other is older.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Kids, usually boys, often an inner city kid who's never
had the opportunity to swim. They're with a bunch of
their friends, it's ninety five degrees. Nobody wants to say
I can't swim, and in they go. It doesn't look
all that hard, and then their friends don't realize that
they can't swim. There's some kind of distress going on,
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and then their friend doesn't come up, and those you know,
one of the things we looked at a lot is
obviously it destroys our family, but neighborhoods, communities, those are
the kinds of things that people never forget. And so
we've done a lot of work, a lot of partnerships
with private pool companies, education in the community. But what
we also started to see was a number of those
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children were children who were neuro divergent, and when we
did research into that, we learned that kids who are
neurodivergent are one hundred and sixty times more likely wow
to die by downing. It's enormous and there's a couple
of reasons for that. One is because they really are
attracted to the calm of the water, the security, the
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embrace of the water, particularly if they're lost or frightened.
They all seek some comfort from the water. The other
is that many of the programs to teach kids to swim,
you know, the Why or the Boys and Girls Club,
all of those kind of programs, the typical program is
not going to be effective for those kids. They really
need to have changes in the program that is teaching them.
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So we have partnered with a company where we've been
going around any place we can get a pool for
four hours, we are offering the program for free for
neurodiversent kids and their parents or guidians to come.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
It is it is some of the they are some
of the best days we have.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Where is this is it like?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
We've been doing them.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
In different places. We just did one of the throw
club in conquered. We've used the State Police dive team pool.
The State Police dive team comes out with us and
is in the water to make the kids safe. It
is unbelievable to see kids come who are very apprehensive
about getting near the water and then see them three
hours later when they're splashing around the pool and having
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a great time. And a lot of it is about
really teaching in a different way and also helping families
to learn some rituals. One of the things that kids
learn is you know, often kids are lost or they're
frightened and they run into the water and.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Bad things happen quickly.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
This ritual thing really slows the kids down because they learn,
for instance, before you ever go in the water, the bathtub,
a pool, whatever, you do this ten or fifteen minutes
of getting yourself ready. I'm going to touch my head,
I'll touch my shoulders. That time can be what saves
the kids, like because somebody catches up to them and
they're able to rescue them if they're not.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Stuff here. Your deprotlement is doing a lot here.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Yeah, we do an amazing amount off And now.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
You're also working to connect kids exposed to opioid related
trauma with services.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
How does that program work?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So we have and by the way, you watching every eleven,
you're following that every eleven minutes, some kid dies between
the ages of I think eleven to I think they
moved into twenty one. Every eleven minutes something this country
is dying from one kid that could take a percoset
and it's just full of fatanol. And we're not talking
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about drug users. We're talking about kids.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
That literally over the counter drugs.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, a pill off, another kid off in school. Okay,
these are kids that I haven't entered into the real
drug world. They taken HDD whatever, what's those maybe some
boom percept booms, you know, And every eleven minutes, you've
following that every Yeah, I have all of my Instagram.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I want to cry every time I watch it. But
tell me what this is really about.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
We unfortunately, have seen lots of situations where kids are
the ones who find a parent or guardian who's suffered
an overdose. They go to school and they come home
and something has happened. And you know, we had one
of the real sort of triggers for this was we
had a case where a little girl had come home
had found her mother passed away, then went off to school,
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was sent off to school the next day. The school
had no idea what had happened, all right, And you
know what, it comes from a good place. It's kind
of the you know, to keep the routine, and we
don't want them around while we do all of this.
But think about being the child who's kind of been
up all night. The police have been at your house.
Mom's gone. You're terrified, and then you're expected to sit
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at your desk. Yeah, and and for lots of families,
you know, sudden death is terrible. Trying to deal with
the medical Examiner's office, dealing with the police, they're not
going to have top of mind. Gee, I need to
get some services for this child, even if they're thinking
about that that's down the road someplace. So what we've
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done in partnership is to have clinicians available so that
our police when they go there, they see there's a
child there, or there's.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
A child about to come home.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
You know, there's a serial bowl on the table, there's
a kid coming home. At some point they make the
referral to the Department of Children and Families that they're
required to do, and they also make a reach out
to these providers that have partnered with us to set
up a program, so that then when we talk to
you know, assume the grandmother's coming to take that child.
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We aren't just saying, gee, you should get your granddaughter
some help. We're saying, call this number and Cindy will
see her tomorrow. So it's a much more practical kind
of things.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Come see them.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah, you do. They're like age.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Kids have lost their parents in the last two years.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Well about one third of the kids who are in
foster care right now in Massachusetts, many of whom are
being raised by their grandparents, are there because of opioids,
either because a parent can't parent because.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Of that, or their grandparents are raising.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Enormous number of people. We do a training program.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Might I have had one friend that their grandparents raised
them between living on the North Shore, so I was
thirteen and kept all those friends. Yeah, all my friends
are revere being at my grandparents and all my kids
my friends and I never saw any grandparents have to
raise their.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
The number is enormous right now. I do a lot
of training for grandparents because if you think about being
a parent right now, just a regular parent and trying
to keep up with the electronics.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Keep enough. Just well, if you're eighty, that's a whole
different world.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
So we do a lot of training with grandparents about
this is what this means. You know, they don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
What I decay, civity, you're all these other weird words.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
So there's an enormous number of grandparents who step up
who it changes their life. I mean obviously some often
they're living someplace where they can't have kids, so now
they've got to figure out where to go.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
You know, costing Raising kids costs a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Oh yeah, I haven't had any yet, but yeah someday.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So you know, there's a lot of that kids overrated. Okay,
cyber education campaign that your office is launching with a
focus on is this word right?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Sex? Thing?
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Sex?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
What's sexting mean? Oh?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Come on, you know what's sexting?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
What's sexting is sharing sexually inappropriate photos, videos, that kind.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Of sending nudes, flirting like.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Oh they're doing yeah, yeah, what's that all about? That
needs to stop?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
So you know it's getting But what people forget is
actually doing that in Massachusetts is a felony. We're not
looking to be punishing little kids, you know, because we're
seeing kids.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
And so fifteen year old girl wants to send that's
what you call it, and I have a word for it,
sextinging their boyfriend sexting, sex text should be sex texting
or whatever. Sexting, it's sexting with their boyfriend, and then
their boyfriend splats it all over school.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
They're both guilty.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
She sent she's guilty for sending the pictures. He is
obviously guilty for sharing those pictures.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
What happens those kids?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
So what we do is when that's what's been that's
all that's been happening. We're not talking about somebody who's
a repeat defender or somebody who's threatening people with them
or blackmailing them.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
They We require that they.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Come in and they do an education program. They and
their parents, they come in for a day. They come
in and do that. The hope is that they now
realize what that means.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Oh yeah, thought we got to gloat to break. I'm
Sidney Stumbling.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Let's send Toughest Nails in WBZ, and welcome back to
Toughest Nails on WBZ.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And I'm Cindy Stumpo and I'm here with.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Jesse Foster and Aaron Ryan, the District Attorney Middlesex County.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Okay, let's talk about cold cases. I love that one.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, I've been excited about this topic.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
We've done an amazing amount of work in this area.
We created a cold case unit in twenty nineteen, and
just this year so far we've been able to bring
four cases to some resolution.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
What I like.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
So I'll give you an example. We just arranged somebody yesterday.
In a case that happened in two thousand and nine,
twenty three year old woman lived with her family, had
a good job, kind of everything literally everything in front
of her. To get to her job, she needed a car.
She'd been using her dad's car. She was going to
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buy a car. She had a guy who was a friend,
had been a friend since childhood.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
He said he could get.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Hook her up with somebody he knew who worked at
a car dealership get her a good deal on the
Cardiff car she wanted. He told her the only hitch
was she had to pay cap. She wanted to get
the good price, she had to pay cash. She went
to the bank in April of two thousand and nine
and twenty three, took out the money, very excited, you know,
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got the money, got to get the car, had a
picture of the car. Everything was great. And in fact,
her friend and a friend of his who actually did
work at a car dealership, who had produced a car
that was the kind of car she wanted. You get
a picture of the car. She thought that's what she
was getting. They set her up, robbed her, and shot her.
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That's the allegation. She was found she was missing for
a week and ultimately found dead in her father's car.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
So the allegation.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
All these years later, how they put the puzzle together.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Really, our cold case unit did some amazing work, just
really going through evidence, looking at things, putting things together,
re examining some of the evidence. With better technology to
put that together, we were able to make an arrest.
We brought him in yesterday to start that process. He's
been indicted.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
He was guilty yesterday.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
No, No, we got to does he say not guilty?
He yes.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I mean everybody is presumed to be innocent until they're
proven guilty.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
If I have a come and say I did it,
it's just give me the give me the time.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
There are certainly some people along the way who make
statements sometimes and plead guilty.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yes, Is that for like a lesser?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
No? No, not always.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Serve not always.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So that's one cold case. Yep, what's the best cold
case that you've ever seen? Because I've watched these on
TV all the time.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
All the time.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I prosecuted a case myself that I responded to when
it happened. It took us twenty years to make the arrest,
and many of the programs I have are born out
of that because in that case, the victim was a
single mother. She had three kids, seven, four, and eleven.
They came home from school and found her and didn't
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have the benefit of a lot of immediate treatment. She
ultimately re arrested and convicted a person who was a coworker.
She was somebody who went to work for a family
owned company. She was so grateful for that job because
it allowed she was making decent money, it allowed the hours,
allowed her.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
To be with her kids.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
The suspect in that case was somebody who was much
higher up in the company than she was. You know,
she really was. I think probably thought she could handle it.
She wasn't going to rock the boat. People knew that
there was some things that went on, and one of
the things we really discovered, and you all know this
from working is lots of times in places, you know
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a little bit about something that happened. You know a
little bit about something that happened, somebody else knows, but
no one knows the whole picture. And she wasn't really complaining,
you know, she didn't go to the bus and say
I want him taken away, or I don't want him
coming to where my sight is that kind of thing.
She was just trying to keep everything together. And I'll
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you know, it took us twenty years, and that for
me was a situation where I saw those kids grow up.
I saw how different there life.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Blamed anybody right away.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
No, we had suspicions, but we didn't have enough evidence
to charge.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Your suspicions always on that individual, Yeah wow.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Yeah, I mean not.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
We had ruled out other people. You know, she'd been
in she had an ex husband. We had ruled him out.
There were some other people who floated up. We kind
of you know, ruled people out. He was a person
who continued to kind of come up.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Well, we didn't. We just didn't have enough evidence to
charge him.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
The one that gets charged was the one that you thought. Yeah, yeah,
teen years later, twenty years later, years the well side.
The guy with the pizza, the guy that we're did it,
raped all those girls in New York. They got him
a many years later and took the pizza out of the
dumpster after he threw to the dumpster.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Oh for the DNA.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, I mean, come on, that guy was what a
layable one time?
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Yeah it's a very low yeah, yeah something New York.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
YEAHZ know the I forget what they call that guy.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Killed how many girls and buried them all in the
same area.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Yeah, oh my god, I can't believe New York.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
But he was caught twenty.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Well, they got they got pizza out of the dumpster,
and that's how they got the d.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
They watched him eat the pizza and they must have
threw the crust in the dumpster.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I can't remember the Long Island.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
How cell phones and a pizza box led to a
suspect in three pieces.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I mean, forensic genealogy has changed that. You know, we
are the only DA's office that has a forensic genealogist
as a consultant that gives you a whole nother because
one of the things that happens is if you get DNA,
so you're the killer, you leave some DNA on this table,
I get it. Well, if you've never been arrested and
you've never given up your DNA.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
It's not really helpful to me.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
That's not true, because if the daughter or granddaughter has
right or a sibling right, they can tie.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
A forensic genealogist can build out that.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Yeah, that's why that ancestry things like dangerous, right or helpful.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I guess for people that are like us, if don't
do any wrong that some of our family members have
in the past, it could hurt them.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
That's the truth, right.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
And and that's not magic, but it's a it's another
tool because if we can find out, okay, whoever this
killer is is the maternal relative of yours, Well, you
probably have a whole bunch of maternal relatives. True, So
now we have to take that whole family tree. Some
of them will be the wrong sex, some of them
will be too old or too young, some of them
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have never lived anywhere near where we are. So you eliminate, well,
then you narrowed on and then you have to go
back and get a DNA sample from that target.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
And that if you're right, that should match me.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
So not only all this, you're also doing young woman
leadership and the future.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Mate, will you get all this time? Why wait?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Hold on, this one's up my alley. How come I'm
not getting a call to help you on this one?
Speaker 5 (36:21):
I know we'll call you for next year.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
We did it?
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Is that is my favorite day of the year. We
just did it. We had six hundred.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Girls my games. Yeah, I do, I know. I know.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Hey, take that stage like this with these girls. They're
like this, she says, what I want to do that?
So you recently held a car fence for five hundred
young women. What made you want to put that together?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
You know, I think I'm the only woman who's serving
as a DA in Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
So, and I think you know, we put so much
on kids now. One of the things that's is to
see the girls come and we start out by just
saying to them, you don't have to worry about anything today.
You don't have to think about school, you don't have
to be thinking about your mcast, you're not going to plays. Say,
we just want you to sit and listen and think
about who you could become. And then they watch people
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all day. They do things like this one we just had.
They had a great moment. One of their speakers said
every person should kind of have an elevator pitch about themselves.
So she talked about what you want to say, what
you do, and then just out of the audience, we had.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Kids just lining up. These kids were like some of
them were the eighth grade jumping up.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
They were so good at it. That's the kind of
thing they don't ever do anywhere. You know, there's so
much pressure on kids. How do I look? How am
I doing in school? And I got to get to college?
Am I playing sports? Am I doing this? They forget
who they are and how valuable they are.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
We grew up in a generation that we came home
from school, we put our play clothes on, we play,
and when the lights came home, we knew to come home.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I was okay, I was there. I was outside. My
mom had a cow bell, the dinner bell. We'd be outside.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Can we just think kids back to nineteen eighty two
and thwell them in the streets for like forty dollars
to see along they were?
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Do you think it would help? I think technology really is,
you know, it's a blessing and.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
A curse because it, like I think, solve cold cases,
yet it takes away the attention span of children.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I think it's like.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Anything, you should do it in moderation.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Kids don't need to sit in the backseat with other
kids texting to each other.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Oh, when they're sitting right next to you.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Got this, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Send them off to the army for one year when
they get out of college.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
The army doesn't work for everyone.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
I don't care gives you discipline. It does, but gives
your discipline. I love discipline.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
I do wish I was in the army at some
because most.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
People will not hold themselves accountable and they blame mummy
and daddy for all their issues. Time to stop blaming
mummy and daddy. This is Cindy stumbling and listen Toughest
Nails on WBZ. We'll be right back and welcome back
to Toughest Nails on WBZ. And I've been here with
Jesse Foster, and I've been here with the most amazing
district Attorney Marion Ryan that we love very much that
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comes on the show.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Miriam. Tell people how they can reach and help you
or your causes. Please sure.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Please go to our website Middlesex da dot com. You
can see more information about our programs. You can find
out about job opportunities in our office and one of
the best things we do is our internship program. So
you can just tabs for all of that.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Do you have to give yourself like just a pat
on the back, Like everything you've done for this community incredible.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
You're just not a DA. This is not DA's work.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
DA's work is to prosecute, not to give back to
the communities. The way you're doing this is what you
love best.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Okay, folks, have a great, safe weekend. This is Cindy Snumble.
We'll see you next weekend. Make it a safe one.
And welcome to Cindy Stampo tough his nails on WBZ
and I'm in studio tonight with Jesse Foster.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Nice to have you again.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Jesse's learning the ropes because Sammy's got a life besides
just giving up every Saturday night to be on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And who's in the studio and you are?
Speaker 4 (00:18):
I'm maryon Ryan. The privilege of being the district Attorney
in Middlesex County.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
What does that mean and how long you've been there?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I have been the district attorney for twelve years, and
it means that my primary mission is the protection of
the public safety in Middlesex County and that comes primarily
through the investigation and prosecution of cases.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Has that been a hard job when you're from the
best in the world, the best job in the world.
I'll say the same thing about my job, but I
will tell you I think it was hard for me
at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Was it hard for you at the beginning?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yes, The learning curve is steep, and when I started
doing this work, it was a very different world, I
think for women.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So you're saying here that when you first started it
was tougher obviously, was it that you're a woman or
you were just had to learn a lot more.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
There's a lot to learn, and there were many fewer
women doing this work.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So you come in, were you respected or you had
to earn that?
Speaker 5 (01:21):
You had to earn that.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I think, you know, anybody who's a trial lawyer has
to earn that respect. And you've got to understand the
seriousness of what you're doing. You know, the prosecutions we
do can cause people to learn, lose their liberty, and
be incarcerated. So you've got to be thinking all the
time about the seriousness of that.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Have you ever looked back in your career and said,
or any deeds anybody that has stood in your position
said maybe that person shouldn't have went to jail, or
maybe that person should have went to jail, both vice
versa or no.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Well, I think, you know, we obviously subscribe to that
view in this country that it is better that somebody
who is guilty be found not guilty than that we
get the wrong person and put them in jail. But
I think one of the pieces to me is that
we really understand that, like any other profession, we're fallible,
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and that's why the first thing that I did when
I became DA was to create a conviction integrity unit
so that if someone were saying I shouldn't be here,
this is wrong, You've got it wrong, we had a
way to be looking at that.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Okay, oh that's a tough job. I like my job,
and in your job, there's too much more stress in
your job.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Hey, we're all. All of us are good at different things.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
See my promise.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I have too much empathy, Like I would feel bad
for the person that killed the person, and I feel
bad for the person that got killed, And why is
that person so sick that they kill the person?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
All those people I know, these guides, and that's a
balance we are always working on.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
We're eating kit Catcher, crime Junkies and all those crime
shows like that is my number one favorite thing to watch.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
And then that's the other thing is mental illness out there,
which is a lot right now, right.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
So mental illness and substance abuse are probably present in
some combination in all cases eighty percent of the people that.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Wow, that doesn't surprise me though.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
And what comes first?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I always say that mental illness comes first and the
addiction comes afterwards. That's my personal my personal beliefs being
in construction for as long as I have and watching
the epidemic of it in my.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Business union non union.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
There's always an underlining problem before I see the guy
move over to the painkillers and then to the opio,
you know, to the and there was either he was shy,
or he was not popular, or there's always a different story. Yeah,
sexual molestation came out later on life, right. I seem
to be like the mother to all the guys. They
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come tell me their stories, but not they're wise. I'm like,
you need to tell you wife this. No, I can't
tell my wife this.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
But because you're one of the guys, you know, they trust.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I just, you know, I just I believe that eighty
percent of the things bad people do is because they're
under and then there's just a twenty percent.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Then there's just bad people.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
They just do bad things because it's just Google crazy, right.
I don't like Google crazy people. Those people just whatever.
Some days, I'm okay. Jesse is in training on co hosting.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
I ask, I mean, I got the question. First of all,
I have so many questions. I think your your job
is so important and so interesting. What are the biggest
challenges that you have that you face on daily or
weekly basis.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I'd say one of the biggest challenges right now is
the lack of really effective available.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Mental health treatment.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Oh gosh, so even for people who have insurance, their
ability to find a treatment that's going to be effective,
be able to get into that treatment program when they
need to go, right, you know, because when people see
a moment when they're willing to do treatment.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
You've got to strike.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
And also because leaving people out of treatment can often
put them in danger, put other people other nature.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, but again, we don't have enough people to run
these treatment centers. How do we don't have enough psychiatrists?
We don't have enough psychologists, and psychiatrists aren't getting into
this field.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
They're not coming out of medical school.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Do the statistics on how many people are becoming a
psychiatrists think about that job.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You're listening to.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Other jobs that aren't like you know, you don't necessarily
have to be like a psychiatrist.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Or I think we have to think more in reimagining
how that works. Because you know, even if we took
people today and decided, Okay, these hundred people are willing
to be psychiatrists, you're looking at you know, probably a
seven eight year window right before they're ready.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
To do training.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
And it's anything in life though, any job, any career,
you got to work towards it. But how do you
get to that level being able to truly help these people.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Through these Well in the meantime, you've got people right
now who need help. Right we also have to be
thoughtful enough about it. You don't want somebody who isn't
really qualified in a spot because getting bad treatment is
even worse.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
If I'm going to sit here and I'm going to
talk to you as a psychiatrist, and I'm going to
pay you four dollars an hour whatever you're going rate is,
and you want to see me on zoom, I have
a problem with that. I have a problem with that.
You need to watch my mannerisms. You need to see
if my leg is shaking? Am I doing this? Am
I what am I doing?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Like? You need to feel me. You gotta that.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I don't understand how you can help people on zoom
now once you know your patient, right, fine.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
I mean they're off that way.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
There is a balance because one of the things that
we did see through COVID is I represent Middlesex which
is large.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
There are parts of our.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
County that are incredibly rural where public transportation is not
an option. And the other piece that we forget about
is even when you have public transportation, it's expensive, especially
sometimes if you've got to take a couple of kids
with you, or you got to do some you know.
So I had many people who were able to get
treatment during COVID who weren't able to get to treatment before,
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and that became an honest I can't.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Believe this has become part of your job. This has
changed drastically when I look at this. You guys are
taking and recovery. You're teaching kids how to go into trades,
the building trades of New England. What's that all about?
What are you doing what I've been doing the last
fourteen years, trying to get kids into the trades, teaching
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that plumbers, electricians and HVAC guys make more money than
the average doctor, average lawyer, average accountant.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
You know. The trades are fourteen They're an interesting.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Peace because they are very forgiving for somebody who's had
some difficulties, maybe has some a prior record.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
The trades are one place that's.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Very forgiving, for sure, correct to give them a job
where they can make good money, they can get benefits.
If they need treatment, they can be doing that. It
is also a place where we have seen the number
of people who suffer from opioid misuse or an overdose
is very high.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Of the people.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Between the ages of sixteen and sixty five who suffer
a fatal overdose, one sixth of them have been in
the trades, you know, for lots of reasons.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Pay that thought for me was going to break. I'm
Cindy Snowpoint.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
You listen to tapes Nails on WBZ, would be right
back and welcome back to tapest Nails on WBZ, and
I'm here with Jesse Foster.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
And Marion Ryan. That is the what the Middlesex district attorney.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You think people dislike people that are district attorneys when
they hear that. That's when I asked you, I'm going
off by ninety five for a second here, I think like.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh my god, she's just a whole journey. Yikes.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Really meets us in a happy moment.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Either something bad has happened to them, something bad has
happened to somebody in their family. They've witnessed something and
now we're trying to get them to be willing to
cooperate with us, or somebody they love is accused of
a crime, and I think.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
That, I'm so happy I've got to meet you in
all good terms.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
That piece doesn't even know it's coming down the road.
But right now, all the other things we do.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Okay, so get it.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
You're saying one six of the people in my business
are in drugs, opioids, whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Alcohol.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
If you could wave a magic one, no more alcohol,
no more drugs, would you do that?
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I think there's you know, everybody, no, look at drugs, right.
The same drugs that people use, these opioids, for instance,
also do amazing things for people when they use properly,
like what you know they use for the treatment of
chronic pain, for instance.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Sometimes they make life bearable for people.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
How long as you think you could take those before
you are now stuck on them.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
I think it depends on the person, the dosage, the problem,
how well you monitor.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
They say two weeks you can become addicted to any pain.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Oh, you can certainly become addicted, And it depends, but
that assumes a success.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I get pain in my seat. I could take a
pain call. I'm gonna take three, and I'm gonna take
three advalle. I'm gonna keep taking three advil blow my stomach.
But I've never had a drink in my life.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
You've never You don't have an addictive personality like for me,
for instance, I fell and hit my back like we
do have in my family, like slight addictive personalities like
I probably wouldn't even take that medication in fear of
like I might like depend on this, I might say.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I always said to my kids, if you never try it,
you'll never know if you like it. If you try
it one day, it's fun time, prior time, and then
it's it owns you. Yeah, so if you never try it.
So I never drank. I never had to drink marian
because I was afraid. I worked in my father's nightclub.
I was like, oh boy, these girls are making fools
of themselves. I don't want to coming up to the bar.
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I'm seventeen. We could serve of liqu back that at
sixty and a half, go home with that guy lesson
you don't remember, like, Okay, this is something I don't
want to do.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
That was my choice right. It made an impact on me.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
But to see that you guys are doing so much
to help the community, it's wonderful, Well you have to
do this is just mind blowing to me. I never
realized that you guys are doing all of this work.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
It's really my hope that we take terrible things and
learn from them and then put those lessons to work
to help people.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
But Maria does a leopard change his spots, you.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Know, recovery.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
We see people who I've We've seen people that I
have seen at their lowest points, and I have seen them.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Get to successful recovery.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I think right now of somebody that we prosecuted many
many times, who hit as far down as you could go,
and there were lots of offers of treatment, lots of
taking of treatment, treatment that wasn't successful, and then they
found the right treatment program. That person has now been
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sober for years and is involved in a program of
helping people themselves now running treatment programs.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Wow, unbelievable.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
So when you, I mean, what do you think would
keep someone in a program or how can we get
someone to say they finished the program, they leave not
come back into that program.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I think you have to be realistic about the fact
that recovery includes some slips and bed missteps. And I
think it's taken people a long time to realize that.
You know, for instance, in drug court, you know, when
somebody is in the program and they have a misstep,
yes there are consequences, but we don't kick them out
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of the program. Good you know, because every when you
become educated about recovery, you know there were going to
be some returning to bay.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah, right right, Wow, It's it's wild.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Do you think that COVID had an impact on these
like the rate at which people like whether it be
mental illness skyrocketed or using drugs or just whether it
be recreational or what have you like, did that increase
in your experience or in your opinion?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I think it did in that people were isolated for
a long time. I think we know from many people
that suffer from, you know, some form of some different
forms of mental illness. Isolation is not a good thing.
I think we all kind of lost the ability to
socialize and connect, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
I mean, I think for.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Everybody, people are still they they operate socially a little
bit differently.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I do. I don't want to I don't want to
be crowds.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
If I'm a crowd, I want to be outside. I
don't want to be inside going to any event inside.
I don't be around all the I'm not a germophobic,
but I don't want to be around all these German people. Right,
And I see a baby with running nose and get
the baby?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Wait from me?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Like who I also said about babies like that because
they're a little German sponges.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
But no, people, people change?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
It did change, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
It ruined like that social aspect for me a little
like and like I'm less willing to go out and
hang out with people now because I'm like, man, I
could just stay home and watch Netflix, like I don't
need to go out and.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Right, or you can get on I sit on on
an app called Chatter, right, and I sit on the
board and I run rooms and I love it because
we'll have rooms on It doesn't matter. It could be mindset,
Like there's words I don't use that this generations all
the time.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
What's the other word? What's my other word?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Manifest?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Oh yeah, I'm going to manifest on a twenty five
right now. And I'm a supermodel and I'm going to
be six y three. Oh hold on, I just opened
my eyes. Oh I'm still looking the way I look.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I can see myself, so you look stunning.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I just think that.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
We get on these apps and they're great because this one,
this chatter one, you go right on camera. You can
have twenty people on camera and we're all debating each
other on certain things, right, and it's fun.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I actually, but you have to have the person.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I want to do that too, right, So I'll run
a five o'clock business room during the week almost every
you know, every night at five o'clock, and then just
keeps building and building and building. And I'm just realizing
through social audio, not social like Instagram, Facebook, social audio,
there's so many lonely people out there. They come home
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to an empty house, they don't have anybody. And I
know now the drinkers, you know what I mean. I've get
to know the people on there, and I'll be like, Okay, Shelley,
I see you've had your third drink. Cut the drink
out right because you can see they're getting you know, animated.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Okay, how much? And Billy, how much part of you
smoke tonight?
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Like as the night goes because the mom can run.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Sometimes from five o'clock I'll step out some it will
take over for me.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I'll come back at eight, nine o'clock or stay right
through it.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You can see and I'll say, okay, yeah, I'll say, guys,
get you, I'm shutting down the room.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I'm tied.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
No, don't shut down the room. And then like on
a Friday night, it's like, okay, everybody just released. But
there's a lot of lonely people up and they depend
on those those people that they can look up to. Right,
And I'll say, guys, look, I keep it real, like
I'm not perfect. I'm out here making the same mistakes. Mistakes,
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don't you can't look at my life now, thirty seven
years later. I've got battle scars that are bigger than
most people in this room.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Okay, So like.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
They want to see you today, they don't want to
see the pain that you've put into your career and
the guilt as a mom and the things that you've
missed being a mom. Right, everybody just thinks it's easy
you just get there. You don't just get there. It's
hard work. It's tenacity, it's pushing that rock up that mountain.
Every day. And if you happen to be oppressed with empathy,
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it's hard to do your job. It's even hard to
do my job because you want to just keep forgiving
and forgiving and forgiving, but you can't. And you're a
line of work because somebody's gonna get hurt. But I
do not believe that we just put people in jail.
That's not the answer either. If they have an alcohol problem,
if they have a mental problem, let's not just stick
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them in jail. But we're gonna put in a hospital.
But if you don't have insurance, self played at McLean's
is crazy money, right, So wh is the answer? What
is the answer? We closed down all the state hospitals
and what year do you remember, like some of the nineties.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Yeah, before that, really they started.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Do you know why they closed down these hospitals? Can remember?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I don't think there was and this was appropriate in
many respects.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
There was.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
There were many people who suffer from a mental illness,
for instance, who still have civil rights, and they should be.
They were able to make some decisions for themselves, some
ability to have some ability to how they want to
live their life. You know, we had some places where
the conditions were wonderful, and the problem is we've had
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a hard time trying to strike a balance from all
of that.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay, well that thought.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
This is Cindy Stumbley listened Toughest Nails in WBZ and
welcome back to Toughest Nails on WBZ.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
And I'm here with welcome.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Welcome Jesse Foster and Marion Ryan, the district attorney in
Middlesex County.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I love the way you say that. You say that
with authority.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay, I'm City Stumpy from Sea Stumple Development and I'm
gonna break your face.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
No, there you go.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Guys, can you please come to work? Do I have
to keep chasing you? Right? You're talking about Jesse. You
had a question?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, I do so. As we all know, summer's coming.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
There are I see here that you have some new
adaptive swim programs for kids with special needs.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Speaker 5 (19:28):
Sure? You know.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
One of the saddest things that we do is troopers
in our office, which respond anytime we have someone who
suffers a death by drowning always sad, just incredibly sad
when it's a child. And we have worked very hard
over the last decade to really reduce those numbers, because
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for kids, it really.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Comes in three forms.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Usually one is what we all think about, the toddler
who's kind of left unattended or gets away from somebody,
something terrible happens. The second is kids in what we
have in some parts of our county kind of ornamental water,
you know, there's a koi pond, there's those big fountains,
things like that.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
The other is older.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Kids, usually boys, often an inner city kid who's never
had the opportunity to swim. They're with a bunch of
their friends, it's ninety five degrees. Nobody wants to say
I can't swim, and in they go. It doesn't look
all that hard, and then their friends don't realize that
they can't swim. There's some kind of distress going on,
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and then their friend doesn't come up, and those you know,
one of the things we looked at a lot is
obviously it destroys our family, but neighborhoods, communities, those are
the kinds of things that people never forget. And so
we've done a lot of work, a lot of partnerships
with private pool companies, education in the community. But what
we also started to see was a number of those
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children were children who were neuro divergent, and when we
did research into that, we learned that kids who are
neurodivergent are one hundred and sixty times more likely wow
to die by downing. It's enormous and there's a couple
of reasons for that. One is because they really are
attracted to the calm of the water, the security, the
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embrace of the water, particularly if they're lost or frightened.
They all seek some comfort from the water. The other
is that many of the programs to teach kids to swim,
you know, the Why or the Boys and Girls Club,
all of those kind of programs, the typical program is
not going to be effective for those kids. They really
need to have changes in the program that is teaching them.
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So we have partnered with a company where we've been
going around any place we can get a pool for
four hours, we are offering the program for free for
neurodiversent kids and their parents or guidians to come.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
It is it is some of the they are some
of the best days we have.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Where is this is it like?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
We've been doing them.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
In different places. We just did one of the throw
club in conquered. We've used the State Police dive team pool.
The State Police dive team comes out with us and
is in the water to make the kids safe. It
is unbelievable to see kids come who are very apprehensive
about getting near the water and then see them three
hours later when they're splashing around the pool and having
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a great time. And a lot of it is about
really teaching in a different way and also helping families
to learn some rituals. One of the things that kids
learn is you know, often kids are lost or they're
frightened and they run into the water and.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
Bad things happen quickly.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
This ritual thing really slows the kids down because they learn,
for instance, before you ever go in the water, the bathtub,
a pool, whatever, you do this ten or fifteen minutes
of getting yourself ready. I'm going to touch my head,
I'll touch my shoulders. That time can be what saves
the kids, like because somebody catches up to them and
they're able to rescue them if they're not.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Stuff here. Your deprotlement is doing a lot here.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Yeah, we do an amazing amount off And now.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
You're also working to connect kids exposed to opioid related
trauma with services.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
How does that program work?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So we have and by the way, you watching every eleven,
you're following that every eleven minutes, some kid dies between
the ages of I think eleven to I think they
moved into twenty one. Every eleven minutes something this country
is dying from one kid that could take a percoset
and it's just full of fatanol. And we're not talking
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about drug users. We're talking about kids.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
That literally over the counter drugs.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, a pill off, another kid off in school. Okay,
these are kids that I haven't entered into the real
drug world. They taken HDD whatever, what's those maybe some
boom percept booms, you know, And every eleven minutes, you've
following that every Yeah, I have all of my Instagram.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
I want to cry every time I watch it. But
tell me what this is really about.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
We unfortunately, have seen lots of situations where kids are
the ones who find a parent or guardian who's suffered
an overdose. They go to school and they come home
and something has happened. And you know, we had one
of the real sort of triggers for this was we
had a case where a little girl had come home
had found her mother passed away, then went off to school,
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was sent off to school the next day. The school
had no idea what had happened, all right, And you
know what, it comes from a good place. It's kind
of the you know, to keep the routine, and we
don't want them around while we do all of this.
But think about being the child who's kind of been
up all night. The police have been at your house.
Mom's gone. You're terrified, and then you're expected to sit
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at your desk. Yeah, and and for lots of families,
you know, sudden death is terrible. Trying to deal with
the medical Examiner's office, dealing with the police, they're not
going to have top of mind. Gee, I need to
get some services for this child, even if they're thinking
about that that's down the road someplace. So what we've
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done in partnership is to have clinicians available so that
our police when they go there, they see there's a
child there, or there's.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
A child about to come home.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
You know, there's a serial bowl on the table, there's
a kid coming home. At some point they make the
referral to the Department of Children and Families that they're
required to do, and they also make a reach out
to these providers that have partnered with us to set
up a program, so that then when we talk to
you know, assume the grandmother's coming to take that child.
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We aren't just saying, gee, you should get your granddaughter
some help. We're saying, call this number and Cindy will
see her tomorrow. So it's a much more practical kind
of things.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Come see them.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah, you do. They're like age.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Kids have lost their parents in the last two years.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Well about one third of the kids who are in
foster care right now in Massachusetts, many of whom are
being raised by their grandparents, are there because of opioids,
either because a parent can't parent because.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Of that, or their grandparents are raising.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Enormous number of people. We do a training program.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Might I have had one friend that their grandparents raised
them between living on the North Shore, so I was
thirteen and kept all those friends. Yeah, all my friends
are revere being at my grandparents and all my kids
my friends and I never saw any grandparents have to
raise their.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
The number is enormous right now. I do a lot
of training for grandparents because if you think about being
a parent right now, just a regular parent and trying
to keep up with the electronics.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Keep enough. Just well, if you're eighty, that's a whole
different world.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
So we do a lot of training with grandparents about
this is what this means. You know, they don't know.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
What I decay, civity, you're all these other weird words.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
So there's an enormous number of grandparents who step up
who it changes their life. I mean obviously some often
they're living someplace where they can't have kids, so now
they've got to figure out where to go.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
You know, costing Raising kids costs a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Oh yeah, I haven't had any yet, but yeah someday.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So you know, there's a lot of that kids overrated. Okay,
cyber education campaign that your office is launching with a
focus on is this word right?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Sex? Thing?
Speaker 5 (27:32):
Sex?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
What's sexting mean? Oh?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Come on, you know what's sexting?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
What's sexting is sharing sexually inappropriate photos, videos, that kind.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Of sending nudes, flirting like.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Oh they're doing yeah, yeah, what's that all about? That
needs to stop?
Speaker 4 (27:49):
So you know it's getting But what people forget is
actually doing that in Massachusetts is a felony. We're not
looking to be punishing little kids, you know, because we're
seeing kids.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
And so fifteen year old girl wants to send that's
what you call it, and I have a word for it,
sextinging their boyfriend sexting, sex text should be sex texting
or whatever. Sexting, it's sexting with their boyfriend, and then
their boyfriend splats it all over school.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
They're both guilty.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
She sent she's guilty for sending the pictures. He is
obviously guilty for sharing those pictures.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
What happens those kids?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
So what we do is when that's what's been that's
all that's been happening. We're not talking about somebody who's
a repeat defender or somebody who's threatening people with them
or blackmailing them.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
They We require that they.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Come in and they do an education program. They and
their parents, they come in for a day. They come
in and do that. The hope is that they now
realize what that means.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Oh yeah, thought we got to gloat to break. I'm
Sidney Stumbling.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Let's send Toughest Nails in WBZ, and welcome back to
Toughest Nails on WBZ.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And I'm Cindy Stumpo and I'm here with.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Jesse Foster and Aaron Ryan, the District Attorney Middlesex County.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Okay, let's talk about cold cases. I love that one.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, I've been excited about this topic.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
We've done an amazing amount of work in this area.
We created a cold case unit in twenty nineteen, and
just this year so far we've been able to bring
four cases to some resolution.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
What I like.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
So I'll give you an example. We just arranged somebody yesterday.
In a case that happened in two thousand and nine,
twenty three year old woman lived with her family, had
a good job, kind of everything literally everything in front
of her. To get to her job, she needed a car.
She'd been using her dad's car. She was going to
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buy a car. She had a guy who was a friend,
had been a friend since childhood.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
He said he could get.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Hook her up with somebody he knew who worked at
a car dealership get her a good deal on the
Cardiff car she wanted. He told her the only hitch
was she had to pay cap. She wanted to get
the good price, she had to pay cash. She went
to the bank in April of two thousand and nine
and twenty three, took out the money, very excited, you know,
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got the money, got to get the car, had a
picture of the car. Everything was great. And in fact,
her friend and a friend of his who actually did
work at a car dealership, who had produced a car
that was the kind of car she wanted. You get
a picture of the car. She thought that's what she
was getting. They set her up, robbed her, and shot her.
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That's the allegation. She was found she was missing for
a week and ultimately found dead in her father's car.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
So the allegation.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
All these years later, how they put the puzzle together.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Really, our cold case unit did some amazing work, just
really going through evidence, looking at things, putting things together,
re examining some of the evidence. With better technology to
put that together, we were able to make an arrest.
We brought him in yesterday to start that process. He's
been indicted.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
He was guilty yesterday.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
No, No, we got to does he say not guilty?
He yes.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
I mean everybody is presumed to be innocent until they're
proven guilty.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
If I have a come and say I did it,
it's just give me the give me the time.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
There are certainly some people along the way who make
statements sometimes and plead guilty.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yes, Is that for like a lesser?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
No? No, not always.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Serve not always.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So that's one cold case. Yep, what's the best cold
case that you've ever seen? Because I've watched these on
TV all the time.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
All the time.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I prosecuted a case myself that I responded to when
it happened. It took us twenty years to make the arrest,
and many of the programs I have are born out
of that because in that case, the victim was a
single mother. She had three kids, seven, four, and eleven.
They came home from school and found her and didn't
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have the benefit of a lot of immediate treatment. She
ultimately re arrested and convicted a person who was a coworker.
She was somebody who went to work for a family
owned company. She was so grateful for that job because
it allowed she was making decent money, it allowed the hours,
allowed her.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
To be with her kids.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
The suspect in that case was somebody who was much
higher up in the company than she was. You know,
she really was. I think probably thought she could handle it.
She wasn't going to rock the boat. People knew that
there was some things that went on, and one of
the things we really discovered, and you all know this
from working is lots of times in places, you know
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a little bit about something that happened. You know a
little bit about something that happened, somebody else knows, but
no one knows the whole picture. And she wasn't really complaining,
you know, she didn't go to the bus and say
I want him taken away, or I don't want him
coming to where my sight is that kind of thing.
She was just trying to keep everything together. And I'll
(33:11):
you know, it took us twenty years, and that for
me was a situation where I saw those kids grow up.
I saw how different there life.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Blamed anybody right away.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
No, we had suspicions, but we didn't have enough evidence
to charge.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Your suspicions always on that individual, Yeah wow.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
Yeah, I mean not.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
We had ruled out other people. You know, she'd been
in she had an ex husband. We had ruled him out.
There were some other people who floated up. We kind
of you know, ruled people out. He was a person
who continued to kind of come up.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Well, we didn't. We just didn't have enough evidence to
charge him.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
The one that gets charged was the one that you thought. Yeah, yeah,
teen years later, twenty years later, years the well side.
The guy with the pizza, the guy that we're did it,
raped all those girls in New York. They got him
a many years later and took the pizza out of the
dumpster after he threw to the dumpster.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Oh for the DNA.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, I mean, come on, that guy was what a
layable one time?
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Yeah it's a very low yeah, yeah something New York.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
YEAHZ know the I forget what they call that guy.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Killed how many girls and buried them all in the
same area.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Yeah, oh my god, I can't believe New York.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
But he was caught twenty.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Well, they got they got pizza out of the dumpster,
and that's how they got the d.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
They watched him eat the pizza and they must have
threw the crust in the dumpster.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I can't remember the Long Island.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
How cell phones and a pizza box led to a
suspect in three pieces.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I mean, forensic genealogy has changed that. You know, we
are the only DA's office that has a forensic genealogist
as a consultant that gives you a whole nother because
one of the things that happens is if you get DNA,
so you're the killer, you leave some DNA on this table,
I get it. Well, if you've never been arrested and
you've never given up your DNA.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
It's not really helpful to me.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
That's not true, because if the daughter or granddaughter has
right or a sibling right, they can tie.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
A forensic genealogist can build out that.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Yeah, that's why that ancestry things like dangerous, right or helpful.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
I guess for people that are like us, if don't
do any wrong that some of our family members have
in the past, it could hurt them.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
That's the truth, right.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
You know.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
And and that's not magic, but it's a it's another
tool because if we can find out, okay, whoever this
killer is is the maternal relative of yours, Well, you
probably have a whole bunch of maternal relatives. True, So
now we have to take that whole family tree. Some
of them will be the wrong sex, some of them
will be too old or too young, some of them
(35:55):
have never lived anywhere near where we are. So you eliminate, well,
then you narrowed on and then you have to go
back and get a DNA sample from that target.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
And that if you're right, that should match me.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
So not only all this, you're also doing young woman
leadership and the future.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Mate, will you get all this time? Why wait?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Hold on, this one's up my alley. How come I'm
not getting a call to help you on this one?
Speaker 5 (36:21):
I know we'll call you for next year.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
We did it?
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Is that is my favorite day of the year. We
just did it. We had six hundred.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Girls my games. Yeah, I do, I know. I know.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Hey, take that stage like this with these girls. They're
like this, she says, what I want to do that?
So you recently held a car fence for five hundred
young women. What made you want to put that together?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
You know, I think I'm the only woman who's serving
as a DA in Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
So, and I think you know, we put so much
on kids now. One of the things that's is to
see the girls come and we start out by just
saying to them, you don't have to worry about anything today.
You don't have to think about school, you don't have
to be thinking about your mcast, you're not going to plays. Say,
we just want you to sit and listen and think
about who you could become. And then they watch people
(37:17):
all day. They do things like this one we just had.
They had a great moment. One of their speakers said
every person should kind of have an elevator pitch about themselves.
So she talked about what you want to say, what
you do, and then just out of the audience, we had.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Kids just lining up. These kids were like some of
them were the eighth grade jumping up.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
They were so good at it. That's the kind of
thing they don't ever do anywhere. You know, there's so
much pressure on kids. How do I look? How am
I doing in school? And I got to get to college?
Am I playing sports? Am I doing this? They forget
who they are and how valuable they are.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
We grew up in a generation that we came home
from school, we put our play clothes on, we play,
and when the lights came home, we knew to come home.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I was okay, I was there. I was outside. My
mom had a cow bell, the dinner bell. We'd be outside.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Can we just think kids back to nineteen eighty two
and thwell them in the streets for like forty dollars
to see along they were?
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Do you think it would help? I think technology really is,
you know, it's a blessing and.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
A curse because it, like I think, solve cold cases,
yet it takes away the attention span of children.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I think it's like.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Anything, you should do it in moderation.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Kids don't need to sit in the backseat with other
kids texting to each other.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Oh, when they're sitting right next to you.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Got this, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Send them off to the army for one year when
they get out of college.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
The army doesn't work for everyone.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
I don't care gives you discipline. It does, but gives
your discipline. I love discipline.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
I do wish I was in the army at some
because most.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
People will not hold themselves accountable and they blame mummy
and daddy for all their issues. Time to stop blaming
mummy and daddy. This is Cindy stumbling and listen Toughest
Nails on WBZ. We'll be right back and welcome back
to Toughest Nails on WBZ. And I've been here with
Jesse Foster, and I've been here with the most amazing
district Attorney Marion Ryan that we love very much that
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comes on the show.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Miriam. Tell people how they can reach and help you
or your causes. Please sure.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Please go to our website Middlesex da dot com. You
can see more information about our programs. You can find
out about job opportunities in our office and one of
the best things we do is our internship program. So
you can just tabs for all of that.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Do you have to give yourself like just a pat
on the back, Like everything you've done for this community incredible.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
You're just not a DA. This is not DA's work.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
DA's work is to prosecute, not to give back to
the communities. The way you're doing this is what you
love best.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Okay, folks, have a great, safe weekend. This is Cindy Snumble.
We'll see you next weekend. Make it a safe one.
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