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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And welcome to Toughest Nails on WBZ News Radio ten
thirty and we have who in the studio, Sammy Stumpo
and Silent Bob. So we left off last weekend with
a lot of questions. There's a question that Dennis wanted
me to ask you something about Arizona.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
He told you earlier that there was a setup and
he had two different informants from two different.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Agents that was in Arizona exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And they didn't know of each other.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
He knew, okay, So that was the Arizona story.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That was Arizona story that I wanted to tell.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
How many drugs you think we're getting moved down the
north end of that. I'm not saying you were selling
drugs hypothetically, we're talking in hypothetics. How much drugs do
you think at that time you saw drugs being moved?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I mean, I mean a lot of it, A lot
of it was coming in. But you got to remember too,
in order for it to come in, it had to
have government assistants. They were using informants to bring the
drugs in from Colombia.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
See thank you, I'm waiting for that.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
In say truly happened?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I read people don't believe this. They don't believe it,
which is so ridiculous, right that people can't add two
plus two.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's so easy. I read a case John Gilly, a
good friend of mine. I did a twenty to fifty
five motion read a haavieer's corpus for him. And what
happened in his case was the partminent of Homeland Security
paid a Mexican CATAEIL informant fifteen thousand to drive two
thousand pounds a weed over from Mexico into the United States.
They flew the weed from Arizona to Boston to Sting
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my friend for two thousand pounds. Now, is there something
wrong with that story? Yes, yes, they instigated fermented it.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But somebody with common sense, right, But most people don't
have common sense.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Sens is you're not supposed to create a manufacturer of crime.
They do it.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So I remember at one point you were not getting
drugs and Revere you had to cross over to Chelsea,
and that's when packs were becoming big. Do you remember
those days?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You remember a lot of people were dying from packs.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
A lot of people dined for packs. And then that
kind of left out left was Angelo still run the streets.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think back then he was around the streets, but
he was more in than North End.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
They still kept Revere clean for some reason.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, they were kept clean.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
If you wanted drugs, you went to Chelsea. You didn't
really get much around Rivere. We are you trying to whisper?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And Jelo did and run Revere.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
But he still kept a protection on that done right,
But he.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Couldn't get Revere because Revere was direct to Patriarca through
Sunny Riot.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Right, but Patriarcha was still the angelus is still answer
to Patriarcha.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Right, but Julo always wanted Reve couldn't.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Get it because the patriarch was cover Revera.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Back then Patriarcha direct to Sunny Boy.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Okay, so we'll just speaking hyper then, Okay, hypothetics. There's
a lot of craziness going on the streets when you're
on the streets for those three years, right, they want
you off those streets. Guys slipping off, slipping off, the
slipping one's pushing them. It was some day, but it
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was it was ice. Ice was slipping them off. Rust
and there's a lot of craziness going on. Do you
think that the North End me personally. Again, you've been
in jail for a long time. I still think the
North End is one of the safest places.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It is.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
When my daughter walks down that street and god forbid,
she's drunk, somebody's getting her to safety.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Okay, it's a very nice neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
It's the only part of Boston really, as far as
I'm concerned, is still very safe. Now. Is it safe
because it's a Frankie's down there and other guys are
down there? Or is it safe because there's just a
code of ethic down there. We're not gonna it's.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Definitely a code of ethics. A sexist friend that can't
live in that neighborhood or be known to be living
in that neighborhood. It's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Even though all the yuppies moved in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Anybody's bothering, you know, innocent women and children. They're not
going to survive down there, going to happen.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Okay. Here's a couple of questions when you walked out
of prison after all those years. The last and the
last one, could you like I know with Joey, why
like his phone's ringing? I'm going doing your phone's ringing,
and Joey is going, where's the phone, Cindy, it's in
your pocket. Took him sometime the first time. Then he
got pushed back in right, right, so and I and
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I said to him one time, is it that you
like to be institutionalized and you just want to go
back because you're making me crazy with that you do, right,
But that's me talking to Joey like my brother with
you when you walked out on that last go round.
You never want to go back in, right, Nobody wants to.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I mean, who wants to be locked down?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Because I think some people become institutionalized.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Some people do come institutionalized. But it's all about the mind.
Like I said to you earlier, it's all in the mind.
You have to have a strong mind. I kept busy,
I worked out, I ate good and I did legal work.
I kept busy around the clock.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So you're doing legal work. So you were educating yourself
while you were in there.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Exactly. I got a lot of people out of prison.
I can't get myself out, but I got a lot
of people out.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
You couldn't get yourself out because.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I had a corup judge and corupt, prosecute, and so
on and so forth. They just Robert samthed everything I
did since nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
And there's no way assuing all those credit.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I mean is there's so much protection. They have an
absolute immunity and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And you know, so for people that think that the
government is not corrupt, what's your answers for that one? Uh?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
They kind of earned the moniker Nazi America.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
When they want you, they want you.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Well, they can create it. Look what they did the Trump.
They weaponized the jujitsial system to prevent him become president
of the United States and nearly got him killed by
a twenty year old with no military experience on a
roof that a Toys r US twenty five dollar drone
could have found with the Secret Service, the FBI, the
state police, and they allowed it to happen. They either
want you dead or are they going to weaponize the
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judicial system to take it down? And Trump's a perfect example.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
How did you stay positive after life like that? In jail?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
How'd I stay positive? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Were there days that you just felt like I.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No, I just always remained positive, Like when I got
the thirty five year sentence.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well, okay, so let me bring you back in time.
The judge says, okay, bye bye. You're going to jail
for thirty five years. What runs through your head?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
What ran through my head was I'm having a bad day.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
And bad day is I like the guys didn't put
the pillar windows in or Pello didn't get to live.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
In that's I was always confident that I would get
out someday, and I did twenty eight years earlier. I
thought it would have been a little sooner, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So they gave you a pass of how many years
would they make you stay the whole time?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Twenty eight years. I got out a year and a
half early under the First Step Act. When I walked
into Coleman One, I was there on a punishment in Florida,
and that was USP coleman One. The case manager looked
at me, says, I was seven years old when you
went away. She goes, that was twenty eight years ago.
She's I'm pointing you in for the halfware house. I
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kind of thought it was a joke, and she did,
and she got me out ye half early.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Okay, today, do you have to look over your shoulder
of anybody.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Nobody, because most of them are Witness Protection, dead or
want to be friends.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay, so most of the guys that you know left
the witness.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Either Winness Protection rats what they did, or they dead,
or they want to be friends.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
But technically you're not supposed to be friends with guys
like that.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Oh no, no, I'm not friends with the rats and
I'm not friends with the Witness Protection program people.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You can't get witness, but you could get to Witness Protection.
I guess if you want to. But when you've done time,
I thought, when you do time and if I do time,
we're not supposed to hang out together.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
What do you mean by that? I don't say.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I thought, when you do time and I do time.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Oh, you're talking about being around known felons. Correct, right,
But but your question was I'm not going to look
behind my you know, oh my shoulder. That was So
if that's the case, No, do I fear anybody's gonna
arm me? No? No, because I did nothing wrong and
I'm no threat to anybody. Un let's steer a threat
to me and I'm not trying to be a threat
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to anybody.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And nobody wanted to prove a point in jail.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
There's no no, there's no point of proving suit. I
went my time.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
The one thing that Joey did explain to me, no
matter who's here for what, we're here from Boston. We
might not like each other in Boston, but we're gonna
stick together the whole dath thought were coming right back.
I'm Siddy Stumbley listener, Toughest Nails on WBZ. We'll be
right back and welcome back to Cindy Stumbo Toughest Nails
on w b Z News Radio ten thirty. I was
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asking you a question, you remember the question, Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
What does Boston say with Boston? Yes, Boston protects Boston
for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So you could be in New York, Jersey, South Carolina,
now the West Coast, no matter what.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Boston says with Boston. Less if they're a rat or
they're sex offenders, they're on their own, and you see,
they're not gonna be around. And that's just the way
it is.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
So let's say you and I I'm a man, we
were in the streets together. I didn't like you, you
didn't like me, But we end up in some federal
prison together. We are going to protect each other.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Usually usually that's gonna happen. Like I said, if you
have bad paperwork, there is no protection. You're gonna be
a target.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So bad paperwork is what rat.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Rat or a sex offender.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Sex offender and children sex.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Offender against anybody. You know what I'm saying. They're just
not allowed not you know, they can't walk into population.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So now you're in jail and a guy comes in
and he's a sex offender, you guys, just keep you distance.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, he has to go. He has to go, and
he goes one way or the other, either go nicely
or he gets stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
And when you say nicely, in other words.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
He has to check in. He has to go to
the whole. He's not cannot walk that compound. Period. There's
no if sands abuts about it. You have bad paperwork,
you're not walking that compound.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Some bad is gonna You all know before they come in.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Usually we have the laundry list, so we know who's
who as soon as they usually hit the door, and
sometimes you know they let you know you know this
guy is this, that and the other thing. Plus you
can google anybody today.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So a sex offender, in your opinion, is anybody that
hurts women.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Or children, children, right, anybody underage, you know that's a sex.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Was There a lot of them in the can.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Oh my god, I'm talking like in like for Dickson, Jersey.
They have their own crewe. There's like a thousand on
them and what they all hang out together, all hang
out together, and they're military guys and you got to
see some of them. They have their own clue now
that there's so many of.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Them, the military guys.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
A lot of them are military and they're you know,
you wouldn't think they were sex offenders and you never
know who. But now they have their own little crew.
Like in places like in the United States penitentiary, they
can't walk period. It's called a usp they cannot walk there.
But in places like lows and camps and halfway houses
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they are loaded. Well not so much camps because they
won't let them out a camp, but in the lows,
that's like they're breathing ground. There's so many of them
you can't control it.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
What kept you normal? And I know we want to
get into Rexiss thing for a second, but what kept
your normal in that can. I've asked Joey that in
a million times.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Your mind, your mind is everything you have to have
a strong mind. If you have a weak mind, your dead.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Did an rain jail try to come after you?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
No, never once, never never, And if they did, I
was ready. But there was no reason to good paperwork.
I didn't owe money. I didn't let nobody owe me.
You know I have uh, you know, I've been doing
my time. I just mind my own business. See the
problem when prison is it's either owe somebody or somebody
owes you, or you have bad paperwork. And nobody owed me.
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And I didn't know anybody, and I had good paperwork.
And you have to mind your business.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Is it true? When young guys come in, the pretty
boys come in, they get tortured.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Sometimes that happens. Sometimes the pretty boy will stick a
knife in you too. Depends on who it is. You
can't underestimate one hundred and twenty pound guy.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Boys coming in from New York. The New York is
gonna take care of him.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Usually. Yeah, if he's got good paperwork, he won't have
a problem, you know what I'm saying. But he has
to carry himself right too. Can't be running around on
bills and getting drugged out and degeneral gambling, not paying
his debts. You know, the problems happened after that, no
matter who you are and way from.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And then the calls come to the jill give this
guy a beating.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
That's well, I mean, the penitentiary is a lot more politics.
People getting stabbed for cotton line.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
For kind of line line. Okay, let's talk about them. Movie.
Who wants to talk to me about the movie? No,
he wants the bay behind you?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Ad well, my name is Rex de Palma.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
And say that again, and come on this.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
My name's Rex de Palma, and I'm a writer director
and I'm an actor too. I started out acting and
then I got into writing and directing. And this is
my first feature film, and it is about what's going
on in America, this whole fetanyl crisis that is the
number one cause of death in America right now. Most
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people don't know, but.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Someone's I think most of us know that a.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Lot of people don't know. Beats, cancer, car accidents, like literally,
someone dies every eleven minutes.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I followed the every eleven minute. You do, absolutely, kids
are dying every eleven minutes.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
When I found out this.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Stats, say do I follow that all the time?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
It blew my mind because you know, there's a stigma.
Everyone thinks someone dies it's an OD, they're a druggy.
But a lot of the time it's not.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
No, it's a thirteen year old taking a pill exact
that their friend gave them for add medication and they're dead.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And that's not an OD. In my mind, that's murder.
Just like if I put rat poison in your sandwich said, hey,
this is a sandwich. So that's what this film is
going to touch on. It's going to educate a lot
of people that don't know about that, and then the
people that are in that world are going to be like, wow,
we've never seen a film for how.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You're going to incorporate Gigi's story of.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
A that's a different animal. It's a different film.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Okay, I watch about your film.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Oh all right, Patriarch.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Patriarchal Purge is not a film.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I don't want to talk.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
About a film. I need to talk about Gigi's film. Okay,
that's the book.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So the book is based on the this book.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Your book too, I mean, like you have a movie too,
but I want to hear about this one.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Right this right here, Well, this is like a basis
of the TV mini series that we're both doing together,
and we both wrote the book together and it's called
The Patriarchal Purge, and it's going to disclose a lot
of the corruption, judicial misconduct, prosecutorial misconduct, how informants had
a license to kill in Boston, and how prosecutors basically
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had a license to prosecute people, uh, you know with
you know, with the misconduct that they were had a
license to conduct. And it's also going to tell you
a little bit about what happened with the war, how
the FBI instigated the vironment violence. Angel Sonny Marcurial, James White, Bolger,
scene ran from in Flemy were informants for Conley and Buckley,
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FBI agents and they had a license to kill and
they instigated all the violence in Boston, along with a
bunch of other informants. And it's going to disclose a
lot what went on the wall stuff that people.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
There will be things in that movie that you cannot
produce and might correct on that.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
What do you mean by you cannot produce?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Well, we're not going to show everything, right, what do
you mean, like what well, things that we shouldn't public records.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I mean a lot of stuff is independently corroborated, like
he said, in the public record of the public domain.
But there's going to be some stuff that they don't
want people to know about how you know, how the
government works, how they create manufacturer crime and weponize the
judicial system. This stuff like that's going to be disclosed,
you know what I'm saying. And of course it's entertainment,
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so it's gonna be a little embellishment, you know what
I mean, But a lot of it's going to be
accurate and supported with the public record.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
You both believe that people still love gangster movies, right,
they do.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
There's a thing for absolutely.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
That's why we're having an influx of you know, gangsters
doing podcasts that are really successful. But it's never been
done right.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
As any gangster had to go back to jail because
they opened about the open their mouth about something that
they didn't get charged for.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yet that always, I mean, it's a statute of limitations
over on a lot of this stuff, like I'm Robbie's
is a going stuff like that. The only thing there's
no statue on it murder, right, So, and like I said,
either the people were admitted to the murder, found guilty
of the murder. They were on witness protection or did that,
so they already did that time right.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And on those streets, you were never afraid of getting killed.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean, you can't run around being scared. It's not
going to get you to today. Well, no business, you can't.
You gotta be You're gonna have a little.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You have allies and you got enemies in that world, right,
And the difference is after Bulger, you don't know who
your friends were, and you don't know who you especially.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
After all these years, you don't know who's who. I
mean almost three decades later. People change. You don't know
where they stand.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
If you were have talked today to your young self
and say, Gigi, would you what do you do? If
you today could talk to your young self, what would
you say?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Stay away from everybody because they're all waying whis.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Stay away from everybody?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, it's bad. It's that bad. Everybody's got a look
at the FBI just being in the organized crime strike
for us. Why because they got a list. They put
all the names of everybody up there and they said,
wait a minute, how are we gonna talget to these guys?
How can to work for us? Jimme think about it.
I'm not saying everybody they're controlling. Listen, the FBI controls
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who dies, who goes to jail, who gets a free pass?
And I end up going to jail.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Because you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Talk, because I wouldn't work with them.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
No, So just like Joey why he went.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
So if you talk, they walk in the streets and
they got ten and twenty murders under their belt.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
What made you decide you weren't going to be a rat?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Because I couldn't live with myself if you told me, listen,
you're not gonna have to do one day in jail.
See that little pit bull over there, We're gonna put
him in a cage for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
That I thought to Cindy Stumple Toughest Nails in WBZ
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on WBZ News Radio ten thirty and we're here with Who, Sammy.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Dennis Petrosino, Rex To Palma, Vincent, Gigi Marino.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay, your site for this movie?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yes, it's a TV series.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
TV series, even better TV mini series. Okay, Hoping what
Netflix one of those picks it up.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Possibility The formula is manifesting no documentary then TV series.
That's kind of their winning formula. They've done it with
Menandez Brothers and No Damer. It's kind of just goes.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
You know, obviously they're going to have to kind of
show the real Gigi out there, right, but we're going
to make believe. We're going to do some make believe stuff, right,
We're gonna, okay because we want to see Gig go
back to jail.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
No, no, of course not.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
But it's definitely.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
If it wasn't so many rats and so much and
it was like it was at one point, would you
want to take Okay, does the North End still have
made men? Or they still paying to become made men?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
That?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I don't understand that now it's really bad.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
What is it? My concept is so bad?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yea, the concept is so bad. Nobody's researching people's background
It's just like, you know what I mean, It's like
it's not good. It's not good. I don't want to
be specific, but it's not good.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Okay, you know what.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I mean a lot of people are not happy with
me out here because I know they who backgrounds. I
know who they really are, regardless of what title.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's why I asked you the guys that.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, they're not happy with me being out here because
i'm but they.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Know you didn't they know you didn't rant anybody out.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
No, no, no, not in that aspect. Any aspect. I
might know who they are and what they've done.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
But if you're going to say something you no.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
No, no, no not. You're looking at a different aspect. You're
acting like, oh, I'm going to tell on them. No,
that's not going to happen. But I know what they are,
meaning their informents and such and such. Oh, and then
I could disclose it because I know who they are
and what their background is. But I keep quiet. I
stay away. I don't get involved.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
And again I'll ask you.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But they're not comfortable with be out there. Okay, not
because they're going to go to jail, because that's not happened.
They got a free pass anyway.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They're like, days are thes ever making any We still
got punks out there. Let's get that strung.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You've got a lot of good guys out there still,
and you got a lot of punks out there, But
that's everywhere. You know what I'm saying, But think about it.
They targeted the Italians. Think about these are bookmakers and shylocks,
most of them, and they protect their family, to protect
the neighborhood. Sex offenders and you know rapists and you
know serial killers. They're killing women and children in the area.
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Cannot live in them neighborhoods. So what they did was
they taget the Italians and guess what moved in. You
know other gangs that will kill a corp for the
badger and honor. They were more safer with the Italians
out there because they only killed each other hypothetically, and
they're just bookmakers and shylocks. And think about it. The
government adopted their concept and they're making moneys off what
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the numbers are gambling. They took it all. There's nothing
left you.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Here's my big question too. My dad being from Sicily,
her dad being from Colabria. It's still huge there.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It's huge. Collabo Colabrians are probably the biggest contail in
the world, that's what they say now, bigger than any.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Of them, which was Sicily's move to collaborate.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Exactly, biggest, the biggest because not only they're making billions
and billions at all, is they just have it down.
But they can't the Mexicans and the Colombians copy.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
That enter world?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Why because they have to have respect for the Vatican
and the Pope. They have to they have to respect
that territory religious, the Vatican trains.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
So who they're making money off in Collabria, the.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
World, not just not just Italy. World. That's what makes
them big because they're international. They're not national, the international.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
And they're making their money huge.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Anything anything, what's anything mean? Well, I don't want to
be specific, but they make.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Well let's let's talk and hypothetics. What would be hypothetically something?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Anything other than unethical stuff. They're going to be ethical.
They're not going to get involved on ethical stuff, you
know what I'm saying. But they're huge.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Are women and children safe in Colabria?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Of course absolutely, I know that Mighty of ethics. You
know what I'm saying. They don't step over that.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I told you they opened a hotel just for them
to stay at. My son was his father went to
school in Columbia and collaborate Colabria a couple of years
because you wouldn't learn the language here with his parents
and my son's playing for the for the European Tour
the golf beautiful and it was the way you know,
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it's kind of the season. Had no was what this fall? Yeah,
fall now April March, March, and the hotel had ann
open yet, and guy was walking down the streets like
Peppy stumpo and tured around. It was a good friend
he went to school with and they recognized him. And
Chads calling me from the hotel. I don't know where
we are. This place is scaring me. So the guy
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must have said, pick up your luggage when you walk it.
I don't want to scratch in my marble floors. And
my son was probably well it was Chad eighteen. He's like, yeah,
left us and I'm Mafia hotel or something. Ran like Chad, relax,
you're safe there. Don't worry about you with Mikey Mom,
I'm telling these people are crazy here. I'm like, don't
worry about it. Just you're you're good buddy. And then
they went over to Sicily and then the Funny Pot
(24:43):
when he's playing in the Sicilian Open, the reporter got
to know Chad and then brought him five crests because
the Leonardi family had five crests. So Chad says, well,
do the Stumble family have any crests And they said no,
they were what farmers. I don't know, so and not
is what had all crests, you know, warriors or whatever.
But I think my son saw something he had never
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seen before. So it's still strong over there, not strong
over here.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Ah, it's probably strong all over the world. That's what
makes them so big there everywhere. They were everywhere. There's
an Italian community in Dominican Republic. I mean, they were
in Brazil. You know there's sixty main Italians living in Brazil.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
No, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, the biggest population of Italians in the world. And
they're in Argentina, they're in Canada, they're all.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Over the well, they went to Argentina when our parents
came grandparents came to right America. It was either go
to Argentina America. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yes, Canada really absolutely, Yeah, Montreal, Toronto, they're huge.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So are you excited to do this series?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Oh? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
And it's going to be done in Boston, Boston. Yeah,
you ready to do this. I'm ready to do it
and this will be your thing.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah. And then we have Pride before this, we have
the movie Press based on the fentanyl crisis, and then
after that we have Crypto Terrestrial weav mini series based
on that. Uh, the UFOs and the U A p
sweet aerial phenomenal. I've seen the galaxy and planets out there.
(26:22):
Are you kidding me? You think they only life for them?
You know what they say, they did a hobbit study.
Guess what they found out.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I don't listen. Those hobbit guys are.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Living amongst us, old on.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Smoking in jail. No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I don't do drugs.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I just know plan Do you have any proof like
I years ago? Was it Reagan that had like aliens.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
And independently corllaborated proof this exists?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
How can you be the only life? And I don't
know I had. It's gonna pop out of heads in
a little person good?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I mean, do you see that movie they Live with
what was a wrestling named Ronnie Ronnie Piper. You gotta
watch it. That's good. They put the glasses on, like
they could be looking at everybody in this room, and
there could be a couple of aliens right here. Once
they put the glass on, they expose them. You have
to watch that movie. It's a great movie.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Okay, I have. I have another question. Your mom's still alive.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
No, she died to seventeen, Yeah, twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
You think they're watching over you to make sure you
keep it.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I think our when somebody dies in our family, they're
only physically dead their mind and their spirit their soul.
How do you want whatever religion you're in, everybody can
agree upon that lives forever. You can't kill the energy body.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
If you say so, that's true. Where am I.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Going I mean, you're not gonna go anyway bad?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I might jump into somebody else's body.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You might, you might, you might be reincarnated.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Do you believe in that?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I believe in that?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Did you believe in all this before you went to
jail the first time? Uh?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I never really thought about it. Then I had so busy,
I was busy doing other things. I started thinking about
it when I was in jail. Yeah. So jail just
you brought in the horizon of the mind because you
have more time to explore things and read and educate yourself.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Most of jails you were in hardcore guys or it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Was always I mean I was in like six pen
of tentries where everybody's walking around with three knives in
case one breaks. You know what I'm saying, and like
you know, it's but like I said, if you don't
owe nobody, nobody owes you your mind, your business. You
have good paperwork, usually write smooth.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Now can some of the guys the old fashion there
can buy off the right people.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And anything can happen. You could die any minute in prison.
It might be the cops to kill you too if
you say the wrong word to them. Really, absolutely, they're not.
They don't play games in there at all.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Oh that thought, I'm sinning, stampling. You listen to Toughest
Nails on WBC. We'll be right back and welcome back
to Toughest Nails on WBC News Radio ten thor ety.
I'm Cindy, I'm Sammy.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And I'm Dennis Petrosino, rex to Palmer, Vincent Giusy Marino.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I think we need one more vowel in this room.
What do you think another vowel might work? Okay, so
I think, and I'm not sure. Did I get to
all my questions and I was supposed to ask, did I.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I think you?
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Did?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I think them all?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I don't know the only part that I have a
problem for the whole thing is there was nobody when
you were growing up said you were a bad kid,
like there was when we're going to high school. You
always heard this kids that this kid's at jerk. This
is that nobody had anything to say bad about And
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you grew up in near raised projects.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Right right, I grew up in the Rose Street.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You were the worst. You were even worse. So you
were with raised cousins over there, so and and you
that father was a cop.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
No he was, that was the room ike. Right.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
He was a longshoreman and that was the best he
could do with two boys. What do you mean, keep
you guys in the projects get a full time job? Uh?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, Well he worked, like I said, as an International
long Shoreman Association on the docks. You know, they were
making money, They were making good money. But see what
happened was he'd make a great paycheck and then go
blowing in the bar and get drunk, you know what
I'm saying. And that was his problem. Other than that,
he would be a multi millionaire for what four boys
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two No, there was four boys, four boys and one girl.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Wait he had five kids with your he.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Had no, he had only three, right, he had three
and had two me and my brother with Marino, so
there was two with brother. I have a brother exactly
and and three other siblings, which is two more brothers.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Mom had five kids all together. What happened to your brother,
your real brother.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
He's still life and he's in the.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
World with you. Where he went down a different path?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
No, he was more like a Bentley calls four point
zero average CPA type of guy. Sure if public accountant
type of guy.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
So he went down the straight.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And arrow right pretty much.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
So basically, okay, Dennis is making faces.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Come out in the movie.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Okay, Dennis playing the fifth But whatever, you live two
separate lives, right, blue collar worker? What's the word they
would call you today?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
A reform thug, reform thug, I guess.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I mean you can categorize things certain ways.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
What would be the word you would categorize.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
After all these years a legitimate filmmaker.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Well, you had to do a lot of things to
get you to this.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I guess a lot of bumps in the world.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
So you feel like you got the whole lot of
your whole world. Like at this stage of game, you
want to fast forward everything because you've lost thirty five.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I'm definitely putting everything on speed load of course. Okay, absolutely,
but in the positive direction.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
All right, so we're gonna sprinting out a marathon right now, exactly?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Again, I'm going to say it again. You're always known
as a good kid. Yeah, so I think something just
right in a blink of an eye, father, is there's
something you want to say saying.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Well, I think the turning point we covered it earlier,
right when he found out his father wasn't his real father.
We have a sing on this and received we have
a sing on the street.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So you really think all bad? Anger?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That was pretty bad. Anger, pretty bad, made you go down,
that made you you know, you've got gyped in life
like you got you know what I mean, like you
got shot shot change.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Why you think everything you know is a lie? Is?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
That's it? And you will lie your own mother. You
don't lie to your kids. It's a bad thing to do.
Don't force them to do things they don't want to do.
They like baseball, Let them play baseball. They don't like football,
don't play football?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, I never I never do for them.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You don't give them an opportunity to look at everything.
But don't force them.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
But you are right when he says that, because she
had's torturing my life since the day I said, okay, yes,
your dad cheated, and then I was the liar. But
he tells that to an eight year old. I told
you to tell him, and she told me tell him
the truth. I said, I'm not tell my eight year
old son that. I said, you don't have a choice
because I'm never going to trust you unless you tell him.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
You have to Yeah, you have to be.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
He still doesn't know who means a lot. I don't
think you tell me you can't change when you tell
your eight year old son that, I'm sorry. My job
is to protect my children.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I mean, I would never talk bad about my mother.
I mean not my mother, but my uh my ex girl,
and she has, you know, my son. I would never
bad mouth her. You know what I mean? But if
you have, you know because I'm not there, but I
know that if my son asked me a question, I'm
not gonna lie. If you don't ask me a question,
I'm not offering how old your son right now?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
He's thirty five, okay, And when he was growing up,
you weren't around.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I was only around when we had the season tickets
of the Bruins. Uh, he was about seven years old,
eight years old?
Speaker 1 (34:20):
And then how's that relationship now?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, at for us it was rough because hey, Dad,
you weren't around for twenty eight years. Blah blah blah.
Hey listen, I had no choice. I'm not gonna be
a rat. You know what I'm saying. You know about
the corruption of my case. I shouldn't have done twenty eight.
I should have only done ten. But it happened, and
it is what it is. We get along great now,
one hell of a christening party, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, and then if you look back, you're happy you
were never a rat one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I would never go that direction.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
But most guys will save their asses.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
In a second. And when they do it, they don't
care about I mean, they only selfish. They care about themselves.
They don't care about their family, who they put in
jeopardy or anybody.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Else, because once you rat somebody else out, you're putting
your family at ris. Did you ever ask your mom
why she lied? What? Did you ever ask her why
she lied?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Oh? We had some battles. We definitely had some battles.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Did she ever give you an answer that you could
wrap your arms around.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
What do you mean as far as what.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
This wasn't your father? And I didn't want to tell
you who your father was. He died at a very
young age, and I wanted you to have a family.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Her response was, I changed your name because I wanted
everybody have the same name. She barely really didn't want
to look bad either, you know, having two different names.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Was that the thing? Back then? It's not like your
parents got divorced. Your died right.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Right, so she would how would she look bad? I mean,
it is what it is, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
But what would have been the good age? A good
age to tell you the truth?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Ten?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
So she had come clean at ten, I.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Would have I would have been all right with it.
I would have been all right. But you know, let
this lie live, Alon, like you knows okay, you know,
and don't change the name. Keep the name the way
it's supposed to be, so you don't do it. The
biological name is what it should be.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I agree with that. And I don't understand woman that
when they get divorced they change their names back to
their main name, right, I don't want a different name than.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
My children, exactly right. You don't want that.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I don't want that, right. I want to be with
my kids.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I agree with you on that one.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
So that might be some old fashioned stuff. I don't know,
but that's just me.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I agree with you. I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Actually, when you get married, you better stay a stump.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Okay, I like that too.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
And you just say, don't tell me what to do?
Who I just did? How's that one?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
That one?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Okay, there's little thing's mom still tells you what to do.
That's I want to give up my name. You won't
want to give up your name. You won't want to
give up your name. Well, I can't wait to read
the script, right, and then we'll have to put some
pretend of course, pretend of course? What's that? What's the
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good river for? Pretend?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Fabricate?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Embellish embellish ice was on the roof, on the rubber
roof of hand.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Slipped fell.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
You think a guy has a problem take another guy's
life in that business.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you. Hypothetically, I
would never take a life unless my life was in
danger or my family life was in danger, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
And hypothetically hypothetetically speak, there's a lot of people deserve hypothetically.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Hypothetically deserve killing, but I'm just not that type of person.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Unless somebody's going to.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Well for defensive mechanism.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And hypothetically of course again, okay, then we're just gonna
go hypothetically hypothetical.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Okay, alleged, there you go.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Is there anybody a chair that wants to ask a
question while we have a few moments, just ask them
because I, oh Jesus seconds, you got fifty seconds? You
got you got thirty seconds? The answer asked me the question.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, yeah. So basically, had you I just want you
get your job with the police, you would have not
been the criminal. You would have been a corrupt I
would have been a good one.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Well we can't say that because you don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I mean, I would have been a good call. I wouldn't.
I wouldn't been.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Even though, oh okay, but I wouldn't. I definitely want no, No,
let's go back, let's go backwards. He would have been
a good cop because he didn't know what who is
real dad was.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
But I wouldn't have created charges a lie like they
do today.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Okay, this is Cindy Stump. When you listen to his
nails and we'll be right back and welcome back to
Tempest Nails on wb Z. People want to like to
get to reach out que of what they want to
know about this series. How do they reach you?
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Uh, anyone could reach me on our production company's website,
Reignsupreme dot world, and uh, there's a link on there.
You could learn about any projects we have in pre
production right now, or you know, contact us. We're just
looking for anyone who is real and is interested in
working with us because we're anti Hollywood right now.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Okay, then my real fast question. You're gonna shoot this
in Massachusetts?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Absolutely, You're going to.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Go to Canada where it's cheaper to shoot it. Now,
you're gonna shoot Boston boys. Okay, people, have a great
safe weekend. You will listen to Toughest Nails on WBZ. Have
a great safe weekend.
And welcome to Toughest Nails on WBZ News Radio ten
thirty and we have who in the studio, Sammy Stumpo
and Silent Bob. So we left off last weekend with
a lot of questions. There's a question that Dennis wanted
me to ask you something about Arizona.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
He told you earlier that there was a setup and
he had two different informants from two different.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Agents that was in Arizona exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And they didn't know of each other.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
He knew, okay, So that was the Arizona story.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
That was Arizona story that I wanted to tell.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
How many drugs you think we're getting moved down the
north end of that. I'm not saying you were selling
drugs hypothetically, we're talking in hypothetics. How much drugs do
you think at that time you saw drugs being moved?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I mean, I mean a lot of it, A lot
of it was coming in. But you got to remember too,
in order for it to come in, it had to
have government assistants. They were using informants to bring the
drugs in from Colombia.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
See thank you, I'm waiting for that.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
In say truly happened?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I read people don't believe this. They don't believe it,
which is so ridiculous, right that people can't add two
plus two.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's so easy. I read a case John Gilly, a
good friend of mine. I did a twenty to fifty
five motion read a haavieer's corpus for him. And what
happened in his case was the partminent of Homeland Security
paid a Mexican CATAEIL informant fifteen thousand to drive two
thousand pounds a weed over from Mexico into the United States.
They flew the weed from Arizona to Boston to Sting
(01:30):
my friend for two thousand pounds. Now, is there something
wrong with that story? Yes, yes, they instigated fermented it.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But somebody with common sense, right, But most people don't
have common sense.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Sens is you're not supposed to create a manufacturer of crime.
They do it.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So I remember at one point you were not getting
drugs and Revere you had to cross over to Chelsea,
and that's when packs were becoming big. Do you remember
those days?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You remember a lot of people were dying from packs.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
A lot of people dined for packs. And then that
kind of left out left was Angelo still run the streets.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think back then he was around the streets, but
he was more in than North End.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
They still kept Revere clean for some reason.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, they were kept clean.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
If you wanted drugs, you went to Chelsea. You didn't
really get much around Rivere. We are you trying to whisper?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And Jelo did and run Revere.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
But he still kept a protection on that done right,
But he.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Couldn't get Revere because Revere was direct to Patriarca through
Sunny Riot.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Right, but Patriarcha was still the angelus is still answer
to Patriarcha.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Right, but Julo always wanted Reve couldn't.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Get it because the patriarch was cover Revera.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Back then Patriarcha direct to Sunny Boy.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Okay, so we'll just speaking hyper then, Okay, hypothetics. There's
a lot of craziness going on the streets when you're
on the streets for those three years, right, they want
you off those streets. Guys slipping off, slipping off, the
slipping one's pushing them. It was some day, but it
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was it was ice. Ice was slipping them off. Rust
and there's a lot of craziness going on. Do you
think that the North End me personally. Again, you've been
in jail for a long time. I still think the
North End is one of the safest places.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It is.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
When my daughter walks down that street and god forbid,
she's drunk, somebody's getting her to safety.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Okay, it's a very nice neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
It's the only part of Boston really, as far as
I'm concerned, is still very safe. Now. Is it safe
because it's a Frankie's down there and other guys are
down there? Or is it safe because there's just a
code of ethic down there. We're not gonna it's.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Definitely a code of ethics. A sexist friend that can't
live in that neighborhood or be known to be living
in that neighborhood. It's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Even though all the yuppies moved in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Anybody's bothering, you know, innocent women and children. They're not
going to survive down there, going to happen.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Okay. Here's a couple of questions when you walked out
of prison after all those years. The last and the
last one, could you like I know with Joey, why
like his phone's ringing? I'm going doing your phone's ringing,
and Joey is going, where's the phone, Cindy, it's in
your pocket. Took him sometime the first time. Then he
got pushed back in right, right, so and I and
(04:22):
I said to him one time, is it that you
like to be institutionalized and you just want to go
back because you're making me crazy with that you do, right,
But that's me talking to Joey like my brother with
you when you walked out on that last go round.
You never want to go back in, right, Nobody wants to.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I mean, who wants to be locked down?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Because I think some people become institutionalized.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Some people do come institutionalized. But it's all about the mind.
Like I said to you earlier, it's all in the mind.
You have to have a strong mind. I kept busy,
I worked out, I ate good and I did legal work.
I kept busy around the clock.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So you're doing legal work. So you were educating yourself
while you were in there.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Exactly. I got a lot of people out of prison.
I can't get myself out, but I got a lot
of people out.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
You couldn't get yourself out because.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I had a corup judge and corupt, prosecute, and so
on and so forth. They just Robert samthed everything I
did since nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
And there's no way assuing all those credit.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I mean is there's so much protection. They have an
absolute immunity and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And you know, so for people that think that the
government is not corrupt, what's your answers for that one? Uh?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
They kind of earned the moniker Nazi America.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
When they want you, they want you.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Well, they can create it. Look what they did the Trump.
They weaponized the jujitsial system to prevent him become president
of the United States and nearly got him killed by
a twenty year old with no military experience on a
roof that a Toys r US twenty five dollar drone
could have found with the Secret Service, the FBI, the
state police, and they allowed it to happen. They either
want you dead or are they going to weaponize the
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judicial system to take it down? And Trump's a perfect example.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
How did you stay positive after life like that? In jail?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
How'd I stay positive? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Were there days that you just felt like I.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
No, I just always remained positive, Like when I got
the thirty five year sentence.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well, okay, so let me bring you back in time.
The judge says, okay, bye bye. You're going to jail
for thirty five years. What runs through your head?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
What ran through my head was I'm having a bad day.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
And bad day is I like the guys didn't put
the pillar windows in or Pello didn't get to live.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
In that's I was always confident that I would get
out someday, and I did twenty eight years earlier. I
thought it would have been a little sooner, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So they gave you a pass of how many years
would they make you stay the whole time?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Twenty eight years. I got out a year and a
half early under the First Step Act. When I walked
into Coleman One, I was there on a punishment in Florida,
and that was USP coleman One. The case manager looked
at me, says, I was seven years old when you
went away. She goes, that was twenty eight years ago.
She's I'm pointing you in for the halfware house. I
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kind of thought it was a joke, and she did,
and she got me out ye half early.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Okay, today, do you have to look over your shoulder
of anybody.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Nobody, because most of them are Witness Protection, dead or
want to be friends.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay, so most of the guys that you know left
the witness.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Either Winness Protection rats what they did, or they dead,
or they want to be friends.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
But technically you're not supposed to be friends with guys
like that.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Oh no, no, I'm not friends with the rats and
I'm not friends with the Witness Protection program people.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You can't get witness, but you could get to Witness Protection.
I guess if you want to. But when you've done time,
I thought, when you do time and if I do time,
we're not supposed to hang out together.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
What do you mean by that? I don't say.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I thought, when you do time and I do time.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Oh, you're talking about being around known felons. Correct, right,
But but your question was I'm not going to look
behind my you know, oh my shoulder. That was So
if that's the case, No, do I fear anybody's gonna
arm me? No? No, because I did nothing wrong and
I'm no threat to anybody. Un let's steer a threat
to me and I'm not trying to be a threat
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to anybody.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
And nobody wanted to prove a point in jail.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
There's no no, there's no point of proving suit. I
went my time.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
The one thing that Joey did explain to me, no
matter who's here for what, we're here from Boston. We
might not like each other in Boston, but we're gonna
stick together the whole dath thought were coming right back.
I'm Siddy Stumbley listener, Toughest Nails on WBZ. We'll be
right back and welcome back to Cindy Stumbo Toughest Nails
on w b Z News Radio ten thirty. I was
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asking you a question, you remember the question, Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
What does Boston say with Boston? Yes, Boston protects Boston
for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So you could be in New York, Jersey, South Carolina,
now the West Coast, no matter what.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Boston says with Boston. Less if they're a rat or
they're sex offenders, they're on their own, and you see,
they're not gonna be around. And that's just the way
it is.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
So let's say you and I I'm a man, we
were in the streets together. I didn't like you, you
didn't like me, But we end up in some federal
prison together. We are going to protect each other.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Usually usually that's gonna happen. Like I said, if you
have bad paperwork, there is no protection. You're gonna be
a target.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
So bad paperwork is what rat.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Rat or a sex offender.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Sex offender and children sex.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Offender against anybody. You know what I'm saying. They're just
not allowed not you know, they can't walk into population.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So now you're in jail and a guy comes in
and he's a sex offender, you guys, just keep you distance.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, he has to go. He has to go, and
he goes one way or the other, either go nicely
or he gets stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
And when you say nicely, in other words.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
He has to check in. He has to go to
the whole. He's not cannot walk that compound. Period. There's
no if sands abuts about it. You have bad paperwork,
you're not walking that compound.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Some bad is gonna You all know before they come in.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Usually we have the laundry list, so we know who's
who as soon as they usually hit the door, and
sometimes you know they let you know you know this
guy is this, that and the other thing. Plus you
can google anybody today.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So a sex offender, in your opinion, is anybody that
hurts women.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Or children, children, right, anybody underage, you know that's a sex.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Was There a lot of them in the can.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Oh my god, I'm talking like in like for Dickson, Jersey.
They have their own crewe. There's like a thousand on
them and what they all hang out together, all hang
out together, and they're military guys and you got to
see some of them. They have their own clue now
that there's so many of.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Them, the military guys.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
A lot of them are military and they're you know,
you wouldn't think they were sex offenders and you never
know who. But now they have their own little crew.
Like in places like in the United States penitentiary, they
can't walk period. It's called a usp they cannot walk there.
But in places like lows and camps and halfway houses
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they are loaded. Well not so much camps because they
won't let them out a camp, but in the lows,
that's like they're breathing ground. There's so many of them
you can't control it.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
What kept you normal? And I know we want to
get into Rexiss thing for a second, but what kept
your normal in that can. I've asked Joey that in
a million times.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Your mind, your mind is everything you have to have
a strong mind. If you have a weak mind, your dead.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Did an rain jail try to come after you?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
No, never once, never never, And if they did, I
was ready. But there was no reason to good paperwork.
I didn't owe money. I didn't let nobody owe me.
You know I have uh, you know, I've been doing
my time. I just mind my own business. See the
problem when prison is it's either owe somebody or somebody
owes you, or you have bad paperwork. And nobody owed me.
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And I didn't know anybody, and I had good paperwork.
And you have to mind your business.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Is it true? When young guys come in, the pretty
boys come in, they get tortured.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Sometimes that happens. Sometimes the pretty boy will stick a
knife in you too. Depends on who it is. You
can't underestimate one hundred and twenty pound guy.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Boys coming in from New York. The New York is
gonna take care of him.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Usually. Yeah, if he's got good paperwork, he won't have
a problem, you know what I'm saying. But he has
to carry himself right too. Can't be running around on
bills and getting drugged out and degeneral gambling, not paying
his debts. You know, the problems happened after that, no
matter who you are and way from.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And then the calls come to the jill give this
guy a beating.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
That's well, I mean, the penitentiary is a lot more politics.
People getting stabbed for cotton line.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
For kind of line line. Okay, let's talk about them. Movie.
Who wants to talk to me about the movie? No,
he wants the bay behind you?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Ad well, my name is Rex de Palma.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
And say that again, and come on this.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
My name's Rex de Palma, and I'm a writer director
and I'm an actor too. I started out acting and
then I got into writing and directing. And this is
my first feature film, and it is about what's going
on in America, this whole fetanyl crisis that is the
number one cause of death in America right now. Most
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people don't know, but.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Someone's I think most of us know that a.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Lot of people don't know. Beats, cancer, car accidents, like literally,
someone dies every eleven minutes.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I followed the every eleven minute. You do, absolutely, kids
are dying every eleven minutes.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
When I found out this.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Stats, say do I follow that all the time?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
It blew my mind because you know, there's a stigma.
Everyone thinks someone dies it's an OD, they're a druggy.
But a lot of the time it's not.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
No, it's a thirteen year old taking a pill exact
that their friend gave them for add medication and they're dead.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And that's not an OD. In my mind, that's murder.
Just like if I put rat poison in your sandwich said, hey,
this is a sandwich. So that's what this film is
going to touch on. It's going to educate a lot
of people that don't know about that, and then the
people that are in that world are going to be like, wow,
we've never seen a film for how.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You're going to incorporate Gigi's story of.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
A that's a different animal. It's a different film.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Okay, I watch about your film.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Oh all right, Patriarch.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Patriarchal Purge is not a film.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I don't want to talk.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
About a film. I need to talk about Gigi's film. Okay,
that's the book.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So the book is based on the this book.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Your book too, I mean, like you have a movie too,
but I want to hear about this one.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Right this right here, Well, this is like a basis
of the TV mini series that we're both doing together,
and we both wrote the book together and it's called
The Patriarchal Purge, and it's going to disclose a lot
of the corruption, judicial misconduct, prosecutorial misconduct, how informants had
a license to kill in Boston, and how prosecutors basically
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had a license to prosecute people, uh, you know with
you know, with the misconduct that they were had a
license to conduct. And it's also going to tell you
a little bit about what happened with the war, how
the FBI instigated the vironment violence. Angel Sonny Marcurial, James White, Bolger,
scene ran from in Flemy were informants for Conley and Buckley,
(15:33):
FBI agents and they had a license to kill and
they instigated all the violence in Boston, along with a
bunch of other informants. And it's going to disclose a
lot what went on the wall stuff that people.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
There will be things in that movie that you cannot
produce and might correct on that.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
What do you mean by you cannot produce?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Well, we're not going to show everything, right, what do
you mean, like what well, things that we shouldn't public records.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I mean a lot of stuff is independently corroborated, like
he said, in the public record of the public domain.
But there's going to be some stuff that they don't
want people to know about how you know, how the
government works, how they create manufacturer crime and weponize the
judicial system. This stuff like that's going to be disclosed,
you know what I'm saying. And of course it's entertainment,
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so it's gonna be a little embellishment, you know what
I mean, But a lot of it's going to be
accurate and supported with the public record.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
You both believe that people still love gangster movies, right,
they do.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
There's a thing for absolutely.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
That's why we're having an influx of you know, gangsters
doing podcasts that are really successful. But it's never been
done right.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
As any gangster had to go back to jail because
they opened about the open their mouth about something that
they didn't get charged for.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yet that always, I mean, it's a statute of limitations
over on a lot of this stuff, like I'm Robbie's
is a going stuff like that. The only thing there's
no statue on it murder, right, So, and like I said,
either the people were admitted to the murder, found guilty
of the murder. They were on witness protection or did that,
so they already did that time right.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And on those streets, you were never afraid of getting killed.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean, you can't run around being scared. It's not
going to get you to today. Well, no business, you can't.
You gotta be You're gonna have a little.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You have allies and you got enemies in that world, right,
And the difference is after Bulger, you don't know who
your friends were, and you don't know who you especially.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
After all these years, you don't know who's who. I
mean almost three decades later. People change. You don't know
where they stand.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
If you were have talked today to your young self
and say, Gigi, would you what do you do? If
you today could talk to your young self, what would
you say?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Stay away from everybody because they're all waying whis.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Stay away from everybody?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, it's bad. It's that bad. Everybody's got a look
at the FBI just being in the organized crime strike
for us. Why because they got a list. They put
all the names of everybody up there and they said,
wait a minute, how are we gonna talget to these guys?
How can to work for us? Jimme think about it.
I'm not saying everybody they're controlling. Listen, the FBI controls
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who dies, who goes to jail, who gets a free pass?
And I end up going to jail.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Because you wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Talk, because I wouldn't work with them.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
No, So just like Joey why he went.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
So if you talk, they walk in the streets and
they got ten and twenty murders under their belt.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
What made you decide you weren't going to be a rat?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Because I couldn't live with myself if you told me, listen,
you're not gonna have to do one day in jail.
See that little pit bull over there, We're gonna put
him in a cage for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
That I thought to Cindy Stumple Toughest Nails in WBZ
News Radios. Right back, and welcome back to Toughest Nails
on WBZ News Radio ten thirty and we're here with Who, Sammy.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Dennis Petrosino, Rex To Palma, Vincent, Gigi Marino.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay, your site for this movie?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yes, it's a TV series.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
TV series, even better TV mini series. Okay, Hoping what
Netflix one of those picks it up.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Possibility The formula is manifesting no documentary then TV series.
That's kind of their winning formula. They've done it with
Menandez Brothers and No Damer. It's kind of just goes.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
You know, obviously they're going to have to kind of
show the real Gigi out there, right, but we're going
to make believe. We're going to do some make believe stuff, right,
We're gonna, okay because we want to see Gig go
back to jail.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
No, no, of course not.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
But it's definitely.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
If it wasn't so many rats and so much and
it was like it was at one point, would you
want to take Okay, does the North End still have
made men? Or they still paying to become made men?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
That?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I don't understand that now it's really bad.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
What is it? My concept is so bad?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yea, the concept is so bad. Nobody's researching people's background
It's just like, you know what I mean, It's like
it's not good. It's not good. I don't want to
be specific, but it's not good.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Okay, you know what.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I mean a lot of people are not happy with
me out here because I know they who backgrounds. I
know who they really are, regardless of what title.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's why I asked you the guys that.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, they're not happy with me being out here because
i'm but they.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Know you didn't they know you didn't rant anybody out.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
No, no, no, not in that aspect. Any aspect. I
might know who they are and what they've done.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
But if you're going to say something you no.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
No, no, no not. You're looking at a different aspect. You're
acting like, oh, I'm going to tell on them. No,
that's not going to happen. But I know what they are,
meaning their informents and such and such. Oh, and then
I could disclose it because I know who they are
and what their background is. But I keep quiet. I
stay away. I don't get involved.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
And again I'll ask you.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But they're not comfortable with be out there. Okay, not
because they're going to go to jail, because that's not happened.
They got a free pass anyway.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They're like, days are thes ever making any We still
got punks out there. Let's get that strung.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You've got a lot of good guys out there still,
and you got a lot of punks out there, But
that's everywhere. You know what I'm saying, But think about it.
They targeted the Italians. Think about these are bookmakers and shylocks,
most of them, and they protect their family, to protect
the neighborhood. Sex offenders and you know rapists and you
know serial killers. They're killing women and children in the area.
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Cannot live in them neighborhoods. So what they did was
they taget the Italians and guess what moved in. You
know other gangs that will kill a corp for the
badger and honor. They were more safer with the Italians
out there because they only killed each other hypothetically, and
they're just bookmakers and shylocks. And think about it. The
government adopted their concept and they're making moneys off what
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the numbers are gambling. They took it all. There's nothing
left you.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Here's my big question too. My dad being from Sicily,
her dad being from Colabria. It's still huge there.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It's huge. Collabo Colabrians are probably the biggest contail in
the world, that's what they say now, bigger than any.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Of them, which was Sicily's move to collaborate.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Exactly, biggest, the biggest because not only they're making billions
and billions at all, is they just have it down.
But they can't the Mexicans and the Colombians copy.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
That enter world?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Why because they have to have respect for the Vatican
and the Pope. They have to they have to respect
that territory religious, the Vatican trains.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
So who they're making money off in Collabria, the.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
World, not just not just Italy. World. That's what makes
them big because they're international. They're not national, the international.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
And they're making their money huge.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Anything anything, what's anything mean? Well, I don't want to
be specific, but they make.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Well let's let's talk and hypothetics. What would be hypothetically something?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Anything other than unethical stuff. They're going to be ethical.
They're not going to get involved on ethical stuff, you
know what I'm saying. But they're huge.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Are women and children safe in Colabria?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Of course absolutely, I know that Mighty of ethics. You
know what I'm saying. They don't step over that.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I told you they opened a hotel just for them
to stay at. My son was his father went to
school in Columbia and collaborate Colabria a couple of years
because you wouldn't learn the language here with his parents
and my son's playing for the for the European Tour
the golf beautiful and it was the way you know,
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it's kind of the season. Had no was what this fall? Yeah,
fall now April March, March, and the hotel had ann
open yet, and guy was walking down the streets like
Peppy stumpo and tured around. It was a good friend
he went to school with and they recognized him. And
Chads calling me from the hotel. I don't know where
we are. This place is scaring me. So the guy
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must have said, pick up your luggage when you walk it.
I don't want to scratch in my marble floors. And
my son was probably well it was Chad eighteen. He's like, yeah,
left us and I'm Mafia hotel or something. Ran like Chad, relax,
you're safe there. Don't worry about you with Mikey Mom,
I'm telling these people are crazy here. I'm like, don't
worry about it. Just you're you're good buddy. And then
they went over to Sicily and then the Funny Pot
(24:43):
when he's playing in the Sicilian Open, the reporter got
to know Chad and then brought him five crests because
the Leonardi family had five crests. So Chad says, well,
do the Stumble family have any crests And they said no,
they were what farmers. I don't know, so and not
is what had all crests, you know, warriors or whatever.
But I think my son saw something he had never
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seen before. So it's still strong over there, not strong
over here.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Ah, it's probably strong all over the world. That's what
makes them so big there everywhere. They were everywhere. There's
an Italian community in Dominican Republic. I mean, they were
in Brazil. You know there's sixty main Italians living in Brazil.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
No, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, the biggest population of Italians in the world. And
they're in Argentina, they're in Canada, they're all.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Over the well, they went to Argentina when our parents
came grandparents came to right America. It was either go
to Argentina America. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yes, Canada really absolutely, Yeah, Montreal, Toronto, they're huge.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So are you excited to do this series?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Oh? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
And it's going to be done in Boston, Boston. Yeah,
you ready to do this. I'm ready to do it
and this will be your thing.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah. And then we have Pride before this, we have
the movie Press based on the fentanyl crisis, and then
after that we have Crypto Terrestrial weav mini series based
on that. Uh, the UFOs and the U A p
sweet aerial phenomenal. I've seen the galaxy and planets out there.
(26:22):
Are you kidding me? You think they only life for them?
You know what they say, they did a hobbit study.
Guess what they found out.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I don't listen. Those hobbit guys are.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Living amongst us, old on.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Smoking in jail. No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I don't do drugs.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I just know plan Do you have any proof like
I years ago? Was it Reagan that had like aliens.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
And independently corllaborated proof this exists?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
How can you be the only life? And I don't
know I had. It's gonna pop out of heads in
a little person good?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I mean, do you see that movie they Live with
what was a wrestling named Ronnie Ronnie Piper. You gotta
watch it. That's good. They put the glasses on, like
they could be looking at everybody in this room, and
there could be a couple of aliens right here. Once
they put the glass on, they expose them. You have
to watch that movie. It's a great movie.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Okay, I have. I have another question. Your mom's still alive.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
No, she died to seventeen, Yeah, twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
You think they're watching over you to make sure you
keep it.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I think our when somebody dies in our family, they're
only physically dead their mind and their spirit their soul.
How do you want whatever religion you're in, everybody can
agree upon that lives forever. You can't kill the energy body.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
If you say so, that's true. Where am I.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Going I mean, you're not gonna go anyway bad?
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I might jump into somebody else's body.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You might, you might, you might be reincarnated.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Do you believe in that?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I believe in that?
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Did you believe in all this before you went to
jail the first time? Uh?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I never really thought about it. Then I had so busy,
I was busy doing other things. I started thinking about
it when I was in jail. Yeah. So jail just
you brought in the horizon of the mind because you
have more time to explore things and read and educate yourself.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Most of jails you were in hardcore guys or it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Was always I mean I was in like six pen
of tentries where everybody's walking around with three knives in
case one breaks. You know what I'm saying, and like
you know, it's but like I said, if you don't
owe nobody, nobody owes you your mind, your business. You
have good paperwork, usually write smooth.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Now can some of the guys the old fashion there
can buy off the right people.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And anything can happen. You could die any minute in prison.
It might be the cops to kill you too if
you say the wrong word to them. Really, absolutely, they're not.
They don't play games in there at all.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Oh that thought, I'm sinning, stampling. You listen to Toughest
Nails on WBC. We'll be right back and welcome back
to Toughest Nails on WBC News Radio ten thor ety.
I'm Cindy, I'm Sammy.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And I'm Dennis Petrosino, rex to Palmer, Vincent Giusy Marino.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I think we need one more vowel in this room.
What do you think another vowel might work? Okay, so
I think, and I'm not sure. Did I get to
all my questions and I was supposed to ask, did I.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I think you?
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Did?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I think them all?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I don't know the only part that I have a
problem for the whole thing is there was nobody when
you were growing up said you were a bad kid,
like there was when we're going to high school. You
always heard this kids that this kid's at jerk. This
is that nobody had anything to say bad about And
(29:44):
you grew up in near raised projects.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Right right, I grew up in the Rose Street.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You were the worst. You were even worse. So you
were with raised cousins over there, so and and you
that father was a cop.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
No he was, that was the room ike. Right.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
He was a longshoreman and that was the best he
could do with two boys. What do you mean, keep
you guys in the projects get a full time job? Uh?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, Well he worked, like I said, as an International
long Shoreman Association on the docks. You know, they were
making money, They were making good money. But see what
happened was he'd make a great paycheck and then go
blowing in the bar and get drunk, you know what
I'm saying. And that was his problem. Other than that,
he would be a multi millionaire for what four boys
(30:33):
two No, there was four boys, four boys and one girl.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Wait he had five kids with your he.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Had no, he had only three, right, he had three
and had two me and my brother with Marino, so
there was two with brother. I have a brother exactly
and and three other siblings, which is two more brothers.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Mom had five kids all together. What happened to your brother,
your real brother.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
He's still life and he's in the.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
World with you. Where he went down a different path?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
No, he was more like a Bentley calls four point
zero average CPA type of guy. Sure if public accountant
type of guy.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
So he went down the straight.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And arrow right pretty much.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
So basically, okay, Dennis is making faces.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Come out in the movie.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Okay, Dennis playing the fifth But whatever, you live two
separate lives, right, blue collar worker? What's the word they
would call you today?
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
A reform thug, reform thug, I guess.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I mean you can categorize things certain ways.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
What would be the word you would categorize.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
After all these years a legitimate filmmaker.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Well, you had to do a lot of things to
get you to this.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I guess a lot of bumps in the world.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
So you feel like you got the whole lot of
your whole world. Like at this stage of game, you
want to fast forward everything because you've lost thirty five.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I'm definitely putting everything on speed load of course. Okay, absolutely,
but in the positive direction.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
All right, so we're gonna sprinting out a marathon right now, exactly?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Again, I'm going to say it again. You're always known
as a good kid. Yeah, so I think something just
right in a blink of an eye, father, is there's
something you want to say saying.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Well, I think the turning point we covered it earlier,
right when he found out his father wasn't his real father.
We have a sing on this and received we have
a sing on the street.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So you really think all bad? Anger?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That was pretty bad. Anger, pretty bad, made you go down,
that made you you know, you've got gyped in life
like you got you know what I mean, like you
got shot shot change.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Why you think everything you know is a lie? Is?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
That's it? And you will lie your own mother. You
don't lie to your kids. It's a bad thing to do.
Don't force them to do things they don't want to do.
They like baseball, Let them play baseball. They don't like football,
don't play football?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, I never I never do for them.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You don't give them an opportunity to look at everything.
But don't force them.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
But you are right when he says that, because she
had's torturing my life since the day I said, okay, yes,
your dad cheated, and then I was the liar. But
he tells that to an eight year old. I told
you to tell him, and she told me tell him
the truth. I said, I'm not tell my eight year
old son that. I said, you don't have a choice
because I'm never going to trust you unless you tell him.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
You have to Yeah, you have to be.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
He still doesn't know who means a lot. I don't
think you tell me you can't change when you tell
your eight year old son that, I'm sorry. My job
is to protect my children.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I mean, I would never talk bad about my mother.
I mean not my mother, but my uh my ex girl,
and she has, you know, my son. I would never
bad mouth her. You know what I mean? But if
you have, you know because I'm not there, but I
know that if my son asked me a question, I'm
not gonna lie. If you don't ask me a question,
I'm not offering how old your son right now?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
He's thirty five, okay, And when he was growing up,
you weren't around.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I was only around when we had the season tickets
of the Bruins. Uh, he was about seven years old,
eight years old?
Speaker 1 (34:20):
And then how's that relationship now?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, at for us it was rough because hey, Dad,
you weren't around for twenty eight years. Blah blah blah.
Hey listen, I had no choice. I'm not gonna be
a rat. You know what I'm saying. You know about
the corruption of my case. I shouldn't have done twenty eight.
I should have only done ten. But it happened, and
it is what it is. We get along great now,
one hell of a christening party, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, and then if you look back, you're happy you
were never a rat one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I would never go that direction.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
But most guys will save their asses.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
In a second. And when they do it, they don't
care about I mean, they only selfish. They care about themselves.
They don't care about their family, who they put in
jeopardy or anybody.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Else, because once you rat somebody else out, you're putting
your family at ris. Did you ever ask your mom
why she lied? What? Did you ever ask her why
she lied?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Oh? We had some battles. We definitely had some battles.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Did she ever give you an answer that you could
wrap your arms around.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
What do you mean as far as what.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
This wasn't your father? And I didn't want to tell
you who your father was. He died at a very
young age, and I wanted you to have a family.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Her response was, I changed your name because I wanted
everybody have the same name. She barely really didn't want
to look bad either, you know, having two different names.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Was that the thing? Back then? It's not like your
parents got divorced. Your died right.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Right, so she would how would she look bad? I mean,
it is what it is, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
But what would have been the good age? A good
age to tell you the truth?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Ten?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
So she had come clean at ten, I.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Would have I would have been all right with it.
I would have been all right. But you know, let
this lie live, Alon, like you knows okay, you know,
and don't change the name. Keep the name the way
it's supposed to be, so you don't do it. The
biological name is what it should be.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I agree with that. And I don't understand woman that
when they get divorced they change their names back to
their main name, right, I don't want a different name than.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
My children, exactly right. You don't want that.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I don't want that, right. I want to be with
my kids.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I agree with you on that one.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
So that might be some old fashioned stuff. I don't know,
but that's just me.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I agree with you. I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Actually, when you get married, you better stay a stump.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Okay, I like that too.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
And you just say, don't tell me what to do?
Who I just did? How's that one?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
That one?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Okay, there's little thing's mom still tells you what to do.
That's I want to give up my name. You won't
want to give up your name. You won't want to
give up your name. Well, I can't wait to read
the script, right, and then we'll have to put some
pretend of course, pretend of course? What's that? What's the
(37:04):
good river for? Pretend?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Fabricate?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Embellish embellish ice was on the roof, on the rubber
roof of hand.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Slipped fell.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
You think a guy has a problem take another guy's
life in that business.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you. Hypothetically, I
would never take a life unless my life was in
danger or my family life was in danger, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
And hypothetically hypothetetically speak, there's a lot of people deserve hypothetically.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Hypothetically deserve killing, but I'm just not that type of person.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Unless somebody's going to.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Well for defensive mechanism.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And hypothetically of course again, okay, then we're just gonna
go hypothetically hypothetical.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Okay, alleged, there you go.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Is there anybody a chair that wants to ask a
question while we have a few moments, just ask them
because I, oh Jesus seconds, you got fifty seconds? You
got you got thirty seconds? The answer asked me the question.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, yeah. So basically, had you I just want you
get your job with the police, you would have not
been the criminal. You would have been a corrupt I
would have been a good one.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Well we can't say that because you don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I mean, I would have been a good call. I wouldn't.
I wouldn't been.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Even though, oh okay, but I wouldn't. I definitely want no, No,
let's go back, let's go backwards. He would have been
a good cop because he didn't know what who is
real dad was.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
But I wouldn't have created charges a lie like they
do today.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Okay, this is Cindy Stump. When you listen to his
nails and we'll be right back and welcome back to
Tempest Nails on wb Z. People want to like to
get to reach out que of what they want to
know about this series. How do they reach you?
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Uh, anyone could reach me on our production company's website,
Reignsupreme dot world, and uh, there's a link on there.
You could learn about any projects we have in pre
production right now, or you know, contact us. We're just
looking for anyone who is real and is interested in
working with us because we're anti Hollywood right now.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Okay, then my real fast question. You're gonna shoot this
in Massachusetts?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Absolutely, You're going to.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Go to Canada where it's cheaper to shoot it. Now,
you're gonna shoot Boston boys. Okay, people, have a great
safe weekend. You will listen to Toughest Nails on WBZ. Have
a great safe weekend.
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