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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And welcome to Toughest Nails on WBZ News Radio ten
thirty and we have who in the studio, Sammy.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Stump and Silent Bob.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
So we left off last weekend with a lot of questions.
There's a question that Dennis wanted me to ask you
something about Arizona.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
He told you earlier that there was a setup and
he had two different informants from two different agents.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Oh that was in Arizona.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Exactly, and they didn't know of each other he knew, okay,
So that was the Arizona story. That was Arizona story
that I wanted to tell.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
How many drugs you think we're getting moved down the
north end of that. I'm not saying you were selling
drugs hypothetically, we're talking in hypothetics. How much drugs do
you think at that time you saw drugs being moved?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I mean, I mean a lot of it, A lot
of it was coming in. But you got to remember too,
in order for it to come in, it had to
have government assistants. They were using informants to bring the
drugs in from Colombia.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
See thank you, I'm waiting for that.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
In say the truly happened?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I read people don't believe this.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
They don't believe it, which is so ridiculous, right that
people can't add two plus two.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's so easy. I read a case John Gilly, a
good friend of mine. I did a twenty to fifty
five motion read a Heavieu's corpus for him. And what
happened in his case was the Partment of Homeland Security
paid a Mexican catael informant fifteen thousand to drive two
thousand pounds a weed over from Mexico into the United States.
They flew the weed from Arizona to Boston to Sting
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my friend for two thousand pounds. Now, is there something
wrong with that story? Yes, yes, they instigated fermented it.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But somebody with common sense, right, But most people don't
have common sense senses.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You're not supposed to create a manufacturer of crime. They
do it.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So. I remember at one point you were not getting
drugs and Revere you had to cross over to Chelsea,
and that's when packs were becoming big. Do you remember those?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I do you remember a lot of people were dying
from packs.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
A lot of people dying for packs.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And then that kind of left out left was Angelo
still run the streets.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think back then he was around the streets, but
he was more in than North End.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
They still kept Revere clean for some reason.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, they were kept clean.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
You wanted drugs, you went to Chelsea. You didn't really
get much around Rivere. Were you trying to whisper?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And Jelo did and run Revere.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
But he still kept a protection on that.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Done right, But he couldn't get Revere because Revere was
direct to Patriarca through Sunny Rioult.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Right, but Patriarcha was still the angelus, still answer to Patriarcha, right, but.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Julu always wanted reve couldn't get.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
It because the patriarch was cover Revera.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Back then Patriarcha direct to Sunny Boy.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Okay, so we'll just speaking hyper then, Okay, hypothetics. There's
a lot of craziness going on the streets when you're
on the streets for those three years, right, they want
you off those streets. Guys slipping off, slipping off, the
slipping one's pushing them.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
It was some day, but it was it was ice.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Ice was slipping them off. Rust and there's a lot
of craziness going on. Do you think that the North
End me personally again, you've been in jail for a
long time. I still think the North End is one
of the safest places. It is. When my daughter walks
down that street and god forbid, she's drunk, somebody's getting
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her to safety.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Okay, it's a very nice neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
It's the only part of Boston really, as far as
I'm concerned, is still very safe. Now. Is it safe
because it's a Frankie's down there and other guys are
down there, or is it safe because there's just a
code of ethic down there.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
We're not gonna it's definitely a cult of ethics.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
A sexist friend that can't live in that neighborhood or
be known to be living in that neighborhood. It's just
not going to happen.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Even though all the yuppies moved in in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Anybody's bothering, you know, innocent women and children. They're not
going to survive down there going to happen.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Okay, here's a couple of questions when you walked out
of prison after all those years.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
The last and the last one, could you like I.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Know with Joey, why like his phone's ringing, I'm going
doing your phone's ringing, and Joey's going, where's the phone, Cindy,
It's in your pocket. Took him some time the first time.
Then he got pushed back in right, right, so and
I and I said to him on time, is it
that you like to be institutionalized and you just want
to go back because you're making me crazy with that
you do, right, But that's me talking to Joey like
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my brother with you when you walked out on that
last go round.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
You never want to go back in.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Right, Nobody wants to. I mean, who wants to be
locked down?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Because I think some people become institutionalized.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Some people do come institutionalized. But it's all about the mind.
Like I said to you earlier, it's all in the mind.
You have to have a strong mind. I kept busy,
I worked out, I ate good and I did legal work.
I kept busy around the clock.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So you're doing legal works. So you were educating yourself
while you were in there.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Exactly. I got a lot of people out of prison.
I can't get myself out, but I got a lot
of people out.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
You couldn't get yourself out because.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I had a corupt judge and corupt prosecutor and so
on and so forth. They just Robert samthed everything I
did since nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
And there's no way assuming all those credit.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I mean, there's so much protection. They have an absolute
immunity and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And you know, so for people that think that the
government is not corrupt, what's your answers for that one?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Uh, they kind of earned the moniker Nazi America.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
When they want you, they want you, well, they can
create it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Look what they did the Trump. They weaponized the jujitsial
system to prevent him become president of the United States
and nearly got him killed by a twenty year old
with no military experience on a roof that a Toys
r US twenty five dollars drone could have found with
the Secret Service, the FBI, the state police, and they
allowed it to happen. They either want you dead or
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are they going to weaponize the judicial system to take
it down? And Trump's a perfect example.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
How did you stay positive after life like that? In jail?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
How'd I stay positive? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Were the days that you just felt like I No,
I just.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Always remained positive, Like when I got the thirty five
year sentence.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well, okay, so let me bring you back in time.
The judge says, okay, bye bye. You're going to jail
for thirty five years. What runs for your head?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
What ran through my head was I'm having a bad day.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
And bad day is I like the guys didn't put
the pillar windows in or Pello did to get to
live it.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
That's I was always confident that I would get out someday,
and I did twenty eight years earlier. I thought it
would have been a little sooner, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So they gave you a pass off. How many years
would they make you stay the whole time?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Twenty eight years. I got out a year and a
half early under the First Step Act. When I walked
into Coleman one, I was there on a punishment in Florida,
and that was usp Homan one. The case manager looked
at me, says, I was seven years old when you
went away. She goes, that was twenty eight years ago.
She's I pointing you in for the halfware house. I
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kind of thought it was a joke, and she did,
and she got me out and half early.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Okay, today, do you have to look over your shoulder
of anybody?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Nobody because most of them are Witness Protection, dead or
want to be friends.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Okay, so most of the guys that you know left
the Witness witness.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Either Witness Protection, the Rats, they dead, or they're dead,
or they want to be friends.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
But technically you're not supposed to be friends with guys
like that.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Oh no, no, I'm not friends with the rats and
I'm not friends with the Witness Protection program people.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
No, you can't get to Witness part. You could get
to Witness Protection. I guess if you want to. But
when you've done time, I thought, when you do time
and if I do time, we're not supposed to.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Hang out together.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
What do you mean by that? I don't say.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I thought, when you do time and I do time.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Oh, you're talking about being around known felons. Correct, right,
But but your question was I'm not going to look
behind my you know, oh my shoulder. That was So
if that's the case, No, do I fear anybody's gonna
arm me? No? No, because I did nothing wrong and
I'm no threat to anybody. Un let's steer a threat
to me. And I'm not trying to be a threat
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to anybody.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
And nobody wanted to prove a point in jail, there's.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
No no, there's no point of proving. So I went
in my time.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
The one thing that Joey did explain to me, no
matter who's here for what, we're here from Boston. We
might not like each other in Boston, but we're gonna
stick together the whole Dad thought were coming right back.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
I'm Cindy Stumbley. Listen to Toughest Nails on w BZ.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
We'll be right back and welcome back to Cindy Stumbo
Toughest Nails on w b Z News Radio ten thirty.
I was asking you a question, you remember the question, Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
What does Boston say with Boston? Yes, Boston protects Boston
for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So you could be in New York, Jersey, South Carolina,
now the West Coast no matter.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
What Boston says with Boston. Less if they're a rat
or they're sex offenders, they're on their own, and you see,
they're not gonna be around. And that's just the way
it is.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
So let's say you and I I'm a man, we
were in the streets together. I didn't like you, you
didn't like me, but we end up in some federal
prison together. We are going to protect each other.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Usually usually that's gonna happen. Like I said, if you
have bad paperwork, there is no protection. You're gonna be
a target. So bad paperwork is what rat rat or
a sex offender.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Sex offender in children.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Sex offender against anybody. You know what I'm saying. They're
just not allowed not you know, they can't walk into population.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So now you're in jail and a guy comes in
and he's a sex offender, You guys, just keep you distance.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, he has to go. He has to go, and
he goes one way or the other. Either goes nicely
or he gets stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And when you say nicely, in other words, he has.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
To check in. He has to go to the whole.
He's not cannot walk that compound. Period. There's no if
sands abuts about it. You have bad paperwork, you're not
walking that compound.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Some bad's gonna happ You all know before they come
in who.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Usually we have the laundry list, so we know who's
who as soon as they usually hit the door. And
sometimes you know they let you know, you know this
guy is this, that and the other thing. Plus you
can google anybody today.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So a sex offender in your opinion is anybody that
hurts women or children.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Child, anybody underage, you know that's a sex.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Was There a lot of them in the can.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Oh my god, I'm talking like in like for Dickson, Jersey.
They have their own clue. There's like a thousand on them.
And what they all hang out together, all hang out together.
They're military guys, and you got to see some of them.
They have their own clue now that there's so many
of them.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
The military guys.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
A lot of them are military and they're you know,
you wouldn't think they were sex offenders and they never
know who. But now they have their own little crew.
Like in places like in the United States penitentiary, they
can't walk period. It's called a usp they cannot walk there.
But in places like lows and camps and halfway houses
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they are loaded. Well not so much camps because they
won't let them out a camp, but in the lows,
that's like they're breathing ground. There's so many of them
you can't control it.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
What kept you normal?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And I know we want to get into Rexiss thing
for a second, but what kept your normal in that can.
I've asked Joey that a million times.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Your mind. Your mind is everything. You have to have
a strong mind. If you have a weak mind, your dead.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Did an ye jail try to come after you? No,
never once never, never never.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And if they did, I was ready. But there was
no reason to good paperwork. I didn't owe money. I
didn't let nobody owe me. You know I have uh,
you know, I've been doing my time. I just mind
my own business. See the problem when prison is it's
either owe somebody or somebody owes you, or you have
bad paperwork. And nobody owed me. And I didn't know anybody,
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and I had good paperwork. And you have to mind
your business.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Is it true?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
When young guys come in, the pretty boys come in,
they get tortured.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Sometimes that happens. Sometimes a pretty boy will stick a
knife in you too. Depends on who it is. You
can't underestimate one hundred and twenty pound guy.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Always coming in from New York. The New York is
going to take care of him.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Usually. Yeah, if he's got good paperwork, he won't have
a problem, you know what I'm saying. But he has
to carry himself right too, camping running around on bills
and getting drugged out and degeneral gambling, not paying his
that's you know. The problems happened after that, no matter
who you are and ware from.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
And then the calls come to the jill give this
guy a beating.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
That's sort well, I mean, the penitentiary is a lot
more politics. People getting stabbed for cotton line, the.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Kind of line line. Okay, let's talk about them movie.
Who wants to talk to me about the movie? No,
he wants to bad behind you ahead, Well, my name
is Rex de Palma, and say that again, and come
on this. My name's Rex de Palma, and I'm a
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writer director and I'm an actor too.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
I started out acting and then I got into writing
and directing, and this is my first feature film, and
it is about what's going on in America, this whole
fetanyl crisis that is the number one cause of death
in America right now. Most people don't know, but someone's
I think most of us know that. No, a lot
of people don't know. Beats, cancer, car accidents, like literally,
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someone dies every eleven minutes.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I followed the every eleven minute. You do, absolutely, kids
are dying every eleven minutes.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
When I found out this stats, say do I follow
that all the time? It blew my mind because you know,
there's a stigma. Everyone thinks someone dies it's an OD,
they're a druggy. But a lot of the time it's not.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
No, it's a thirteen year old taking a pill exactly
that their friend gave them for add medication and they're dead.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
And that's not an OD. In my mind, that's murder.
Just like if I put rap poison in your sandwich said, hey,
this is a sandwich. So that's what this film is
going to touch on. It's going to educate a lot
of people that don't know about that, and then the
people that are in that world are going to be like, wow,
we've never seen.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
A film for how you're going to incorporate Gig's story
of a.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
That's a different animal. It's a different film.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Okay, I watch about your film.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Oh all right, Patriarch. Patriarchal Purge is not a film.
I don't want to talk.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
About a film.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I need to talk about Gigi's film.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Okay, that's the book. So the book is based on
the this book book too.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I mean, like, you have a movie too, but I
want to hear about this.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
One right this right here, Well, this is like a
basis of the TV mini series that we're both doing together,
and we both wrote the book together and it's called
The Patriarchal Purge, and it's going to disclose a lot
of the corruption, judicial misconduct, prosecutorial misconduct, how informants had
a license to kill in Boston, and how prosecutors basically
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had a license to prosecute people, uh, you know with
you know, with the misconduct that they were had a
license to conduct. And it's also going to tell you
a little bit about what happened with the war, how
the FBI instigated the environment violence. Angel Sonny Marcurial, James Whity,
Bolger scene right from Flemy were informants for Conley and Buckley,
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FBI agents and they had a license to kill and
they instigated all the violence in Boston, along with a
bunch of other informants. And it's going to disclose a
lot but went on the wall stuff that people, there will.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Be things in that movie that you cannot produce. The
might correct on that.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
What do you mean by you cannot produce?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Well, we're not going to show everything, right, what do
you mean, like what well, things that we shouldn't public records?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I mean a lot of the stuff is independently corroborated,
like he said, in the public record, in the public domain.
But there's gonna be some stuff that they don't want
people to know about how you know, how the government works,
how they create manufacturer crime and weaponize the judicial system.
This stuff like that's going to be disclosed, you know
what I'm saying. And of course it's entertainment, so it's
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gonna be a little embellishment, you know what I mean,
But a lot of it's going to be accurate and
support it with the public record.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
You both believe that people still love gangster movies, right,
they do.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
There's a thing for it, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
That's why we're having an influx of you know, gangsters
doing podcasts that are really successful. But it's never been done.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Right as any gangster had to go back to jail
because they opened about the open their mouth about something
that they didn't get charged for.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yet that always, I mean, the statute of limitations over
on a lot of this stuff, like I'm Robbie's is
are going stuff like that. The only thing there's no
statue on it murder right, So, and like I said,
either the people were admitted to the murder, found guilty
of the murder. They were on witness protection or did that,
so they already did that time, right.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
And on those streets, you were never afraid of getting killed.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean, you can't run around being scared. It's not
going to get your too today. Well, no business, you can't.
You gotta be You're gonna have a liberal.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You have allies and you've got enemies in that world, right,
And the difference is after Bulger, you don't know who
your friends.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Were, and you don't know who you especially after all
these years, you don't know who's who. I mean almost
three decades later. People change. You don't know where they stand.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
If you would have talked today to your young self
and say, Gigi, would you what do you do? If
you today could talk to your young self, what would
you say?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Stay away from everybody because they're all waying wise?
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Stay away from everybody.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, it's bad. It's that bad.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Everybody's got a.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Look at the FBI just dimanded the organized crime strike
for us. Why because they got a list. They put
all the names of everybody up there and they said,
wait a minute, how are we gonna talget to these guys?
How going to work for us, Jimmy, think about it.
I'm not saying everybody. They're controlling. Listen, the FBI controls
who dies, who goes to jail, who gets a free beast?
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And I end up going to jail because you windn't talk,
because I wouldn't work with them.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
No, So just like Joey why he went.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
So if you talk, they walk in the streets and
they got ten and twenty murders under their belt.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
What made you decide you weren't going to be a
rat because.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I couldn't live with myself if you told me. Listen,
you're not gonna have to do one day in jail.
See that little pit bull over there, we're gonna put
him in a cage for twenty years that I.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Thought he to Cindy Stumpo Toughest Nails in WBZ News
Radios right back, and welcome back to Toughest Nails on
WBZ News Radio ten thirty and we're here with Who, Sammy.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Dennis Petasino, Rex To Palma, Vincent, Gigi Marino.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Okay, you cite for this movie?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yes, it's a TV series, TV series, even better TV
mini series.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Okay, hoping what Netflix one of those picks it up possibility.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
The formula is manifesting no documentary then TV series. That's
kind of their winning formula. They've done it with Menendez
Brothers and No Damer. It's kind of just goes.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
You know, obviously they're going to have to kind of
show the real Gigi out there, right, yeah, but we're
going to make believe. We're gonna do something, make believe stuff, right,
We're gonna, okay because we want to see Gig.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Go back to jail.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
No, no, of course not.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
But it's definitely if it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
So many rats and so much and it was like
it was at one point, would you want to take Okay,
there's the north end?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Still have made men? Are they still paying to become
made men?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
That?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I don't understand? Now?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
It's really bad.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
What is it?
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Concept is so bad? Is the concept is so bad?
Nobody's researching people's background. It's just like, you know what
I mean, It's like it's not good. It's not good.
I don't want to be pacific, but it's not good. Okay,
you know what I mean a lot of people are
not happy with me out here because I know they
who background, I know who they really are sogardless of
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what title.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
That's why he asked you.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
The guys that, yeah, they're not happy with me being
out here because i'm.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But they know you didn't they know you didn't want
anybody out.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
No, no, no, not in that aspect, any aspect. I
might know who they are and what they've done.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
But if you're going to say something you would no, no, no,
no not.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You're looking at a different aspect. You're acting like, oh,
I'm going to tell on them. No, that's not going
to happen. But I know what they are, meaning their
informents and such and such. Oh and then I could
disclose it because I know who they are and what
their background is. But I keep quiet. I stay away.
I don't get involved.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
And again I'll ask you.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But they're not comfortable with me out there. Okay, not
because they're going to go to jail, because that's not happened.
They got a free pass anyway.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They're like staves are thes ever making any We still
got punks out there. Let's get that strung.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You've got a lot of good guys out there still,
and you got a lot of punks out there. But
that's everywhere, you know, what I'm saying. But think about it.
They targeted the Italians. Think about these are bookmakers and shylocks,
most of them, and they protect their family, to protect
the neighborhood. Sex offenders and you know rapists and you
know serial killers. They're killing women and children in the area.
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Cannot live in them neighborhoods. So what they did was
they taget the Italians and guess what moved in. You
know other gangs that will kill a cop for the
badger honor. They were more safer with the Italians out
there because they only killed each other hypothetically. And they're
just bookmakers and shylocks. And think about it. The government
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adopted their concept and they're making moneys off what the
numbers are gambling. They took it all. There's nothing left you.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Here's my big question too. My dad being from Sicily,
her dad being from Calabria. It's still huge there.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It's huge, collaborate Colabreans are probably the biggest contail in
the world, that's what they say. Now, bigger than any.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Of them, which was Sicily's move to collaborate.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Exactly, biggest, the biggest because not only they're making billions
and billions at all is they just have it down.
But they can't the Mexicans and the Colombians copy that
enter worme. Why because they have to have respect for
the Vatican and the Pope. They have to they have
to respect that territory religious the Vatican trains.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
So who they making money off.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
In collaborate the world, not just not just Italy world.
That's what makes them big because they're international. They're not national,
they're international.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
And they're making their money huge.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Anything anything, what's anything mean? Well, I don't want to
be specific, but they making.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Well let's let's talk and hypothetics. What would be hypothetically something?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Anything other than unethical stuff. They're gonna be ethical. They're
not going to get involved unethical stuff, you know what
I'm saying. But they're huge.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Are women and children save in Colabria?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Of course absolutely?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
I know that mighty of ethics.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You know what I'm saying. They don't step over that.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
I told you they opened a hotel just for them
to stay at.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
My son was.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
His father went to school in Columbia and collaborate Colabria
a couple of years because he wouldn't learn the language
here with his parents and my son's playing for the.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
For the European Tour.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
The golf beautiful and it was.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
The way you know, it's kind of the season had
no was this fall?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, fall now April March, March, and the hotel had
an open yet and guy was walking down the streets
like Peppy stumpo and turned around. It was a good
friend he went to school with and they recognized him,
and Chads called me from the hotel, I don't know
where we are. This place is scaring me. So the
guy must have said, pick up your luggage when you
(24:22):
walk it. I don't want to scratch in my marble floors.
And my son was probably well it was Chad eighteen.
He's like, yeah, left us and I'm Mafia hotel or something.
Ran like Chad, relax, you're safe there. Don't worry about
you with Mikey Mom, I'm telling these people are crazy here.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I'm like, don't worry about it. Just you're you're good buddy.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
And then they went over to Sicily and then the
funny Pot when he's playing in the Sicilian Open, the
reporter got to know Chad and then brought him five
crests because the Leonardi family had five crests. So Chad says, well,
do the stumble feel me have any crests, and they
said no, they were what farmers. I don't know, so
(25:00):
at is what had all crests, you know, warriors or whatever.
But I think my son saw something had never seen before.
So it's still strong over there, not strong over here.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Ah, it's probably strong all over the world. That's what
makes them so big there everywhere. They were everywhere. There's
an Italian community in Dominican Republic. I mean, they were
in Brazil. You know there's sixty main Italians living in Brazil.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
No, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, the biggest population of Italians in the world. And
they're in Argentina, they're in Canada, they're all over.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
The well, they went to Argentina when our parents came
grandparents came to write America. It was either go to Argentina, America, Canada,
I don't know, Yes, Canada really.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Absolutely, Yeah, Montreal, Toronto, they're huge.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
So are you excited to do this series? Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
And it's going to be done in Boston, Boston.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, you ready to do this.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I'm ready to do it and this will be your thing. Yeah.
And then we have Pride. Before this, we have the
movie Press based on the fentanyl crisis, and then after
that we have Crypto Terrestrial well mini series based on that. Uh,
the UFOs and the U A p. S. Sweet aerial phenomenal.
(26:20):
I've seen the galaxy and planets out there. Are you
kidding me? You think the only life for them? You
know what they say, they did a hobbit study. Guess
what they found out.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
I don't want those hobbit guys.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Are living amongst us, the.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Old smoking in jail.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I don't do drugs.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I just know plan Do you have any.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Proof like I years ago?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Was it Reagan that had like aliens.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
And independently corllaborated proof this exists? How can you be
the only life?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And I don't know I had. It's gonna pop out
of heads in a little person.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I mean, you see that movie they live with what
was the wrestling named Ronnie Ronnie Piper. You gotta watch it.
That's good. They put the glasses on like they could
be looking at everybody in this room and there could
be a couple of aliens right here. Once they put
the glass on, they expose them. You have to watch
that movie. It's a great movie.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Okay, I have I have another question. Your mom's still alive.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
No, she died to seventeen, Yeah, twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You think they're watching over you to make sure you
keep it.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I think our when somebody dies in our family, they're
only physically dead their mind and their spirit their soul.
How do you want whatever religion you're in, everybody can
agree upon that lives forever. You can't kill the energy body.
If you say so, that's true.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Where am I going?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I mean, you're not gonna go anyway bad.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
I might jump into somebody else's body.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You might, you might, you might be reincarnated.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Do you believe in that?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I believe in that?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Did you believe in all this before you went to jail.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
The first time? Uh?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I never really thought about it. Then. I had so busy,
I was busy doing other things. I started thinking about
it when I was in jail.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
So jail just you brought in the horizon of the
mind because you have more time to explore things and
read and educate yourself.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Most of jails you were in hardcore guys or.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It was always I mean I was in like six
pen of tentries where everybody's walking around with three knives
in case one breaks. You know what I'm saying, and
like you know, it's but like I said, if you
don't owe nobody, nobody owes you your mind, your business.
You have good paperwork usually right smooth.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Now can some of the guys the old fashion there
can buy off the right people, and anything can happen.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
You could die any minute in prison, and it might
be the cops to kill you too if you say
the one word to them. Really absolutely, they're not. They
don't play games in there at all.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Oh that thought, I'm sinning, stampooning you listen to Toughest
Nails on WBC. You'll be right back and welcome back
to Toughest Nails on WBC News Radio ten thir ety.
I'm Cindy, I'm Sammy, and.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I'm Dennis Petrosino rex to Palma Vincent GIZI Marino.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I think we need one more vowel in this room.
What do you think another vowel might work? Okay, so
I think and I'm not sure. Did I get to
all my questions and I was supposed to ask, did I.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I think you?
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Did?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I think them all I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
The only part that I have a problem. The whole thing.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Is, there was nobody when you were growing up said
you were a bad kid. Like it was when we
go to high school. You always heard this kids that, this,
kids at jerk. This is that nobody had anything to
say bad about And you you grew up in near
raised projects.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Right right, I grew up in the Rose Street.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You were the worst. You were even worse.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
So you were with raised cousins over there, so and
and you that father was a cop, No he was.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
That was the room.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
He was a long shoreman and that was the best
he could do with two boys. What do you mean,
keep you guys in the projects? Had a full time job.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, Well he worked, like I said, as an International
long Shoreman Association on the docks. You know, they were
making money, They were making good money. But see what
happened was he'd make a great paycheck and then go
blowing in the bar and get drunk. You know what
I'm saying. And that was his problem. Other than that,
he would be a multi millionaire for what.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Four boys?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
No, there was four boys, four boys and one girl.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Wait, he had five kids with your man?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
He had No, he had only three, right, he had
three and had two me and my brother with Marino,
So there was two with brother. I have a brother exactly,
and and three other siblings, which is two more brothers.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Your mom had five kids all together. What happened to
your brother, your.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Real brother, he's still life and he's.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
In the world with you.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Where he went down a different path?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
No, he was more like a Bentley calls four point
zero average CPA type of guy, public accountant type of guy.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
So he went down the straight and arrow right pretty much.
So basically, Okay, Dennis is making faces. They'll come out
in the movie The Fifth. Okay, Dennis playing the Fifth.
But whatever, you live two separate lives, right, blue collar worker?
What's the word they would call you today? I don't know,
(31:36):
A reform thug? Reform thug, I guess.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I mean you can categorize things certain ways.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
What would be the word you would categorize.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
After all these years a legitimate filmmaker.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Well, you had to do a lot of things to
get you to this.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I guess a lot of bumps in the world.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
So it's like you got the whole lot of your
whole world. You oh, like at this stage of game,
you want to fast forward everything because you've lost thirty five.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I'm definitely putting everything on speed load of course. Okay, absolutely,
but in the positive direction.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
All right, So we're gonna sprinting out a marathon right now,
right exactly. Yeah again, I'm going to say it again.
You're always known as a good kid. Yeah, so I
think something just right in a blink of an eye, father,
is there something you want to say saying?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Well, I think the turning point we covered it earlier,
right when he found out his father wasn't his real father.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
We have a sing on this and received we have
a sing on the street.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
So you really think all bad? Anger?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That was pretty bad. Anger, pretty bad, made you go down,
that made you you know, you've got gypped in life,
like you got you know what I mean, like you
got shot shot change.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Why you think everything you know is a lie? Is?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
That's it? And you will lie your own mother. You
don't lie to your kids. It's a bad thing to do.
Don't force them to do things they don't want to do.
They like baseball, let them play baseball. If they don't
like football, don't play football.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Yeah, I never, I never, don't force them.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You don't give them an opportunity to look at everything,
but don't force them.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
But you are right when he says that, because Chad's
torturing my life since the day I said, okay, yes,
your dad cheated and then I was the liar. But
he tells that to an eight year old. I told
you to tell him, and she told me tell him
the truth.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I said, I'm not tell my eight year old son that.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
I said, you don't have a choice because I'm never
going to trust you unless you tell him.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
You have to Yeah, you have to be He still
doesn't know who means a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I don't think you tell me you can't change when
you tell your eight year old son that, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
My job is to protect my children.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I mean, I would never talk bad about my mother.
I mean not my mother, but my uh my ex girl,
and she has you know, my son. I would never
bad mouth her. You know what I mean? But if
you have, I don't know because I'm not there, but
I know that if my son asked me a question,
I'm not gonna lie. If you don't ask me a question,
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Offering how old your son?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Right now? He's thirty five, okay, And.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
When he was growing up, you weren't around.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I was only around when we had the season tickets
of the Bruins.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
He was about seven years old. Eight years old.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
And then how's that relationship now?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, at for us it was rough because hey, Dad,
you weren't around for twenty eight years, blah blah blah.
Hey listen, I had no choice. I'm not going to
be a rat. You know what I'm saying. You know
about the corruption of my case. So I shouldn't have
done twenty eight. They should have only done ten. But
it happened, and it is what it is. We get
along great now.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
One hell of a christening party, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Yeah, and then if you look back, you're happy you
were never a rat.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
One hundred percent. I would never go that direction.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
But most guys will save their asses in a second.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
And when they do it, they don't care about I mean,
they only selfish. They care about themselves. They don't care
about their family, who they put in jeopardy or anybody else.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Because once you rat somebody else out, you're putting your
family at Did.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
You ever ask your mom why she lied?
Speaker 5 (35:03):
What?
Speaker 6 (35:03):
Did you ever ask her why she.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Lied, Oh, yeah, we had some battles. We definitely had
some battles.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Did she ever give you an answer that you could
wrap your arms around?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
What do you mean as far as what this wasn't
your father?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
And I didn't want to tell you who your father was.
He died at a very young age, and I wanted
you to have a family.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Her response was, I changed your name because I wanted
everybody have the same name. She barely really didn't want
to look bad either, you know, having two different names.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Was that the thing?
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Back then? It's not like your parents got divorced. Your
died right right.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So she would how would she look bad? I mean,
it is what it is, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
But what would have been the good age? A good
age should tell you the truth?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Ten?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
So she had come clean at ten.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I would have I would have been all right with it.
I would have been all right. But you know, let
this lie live along like you know, okay, you know,
and don't change the name. Keep the name the way
it's supposed to be, so you don't do it. The
biological name is what it should be.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I agree with that, and I don't understand woman that
when they get divorced, they change their names back to
their main name. Right.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
I don't want a different name.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Than my children, exactly right. You don't want that.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
I don't want that, right. I want to be with
my kids.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I agree with you on that one.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
So that might be some old fashioned stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I don't know, but that's just me.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I agree with you. I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Actually, when you get married, you better stay a stump.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Okay, I like that too.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
And you just say, don't tell me what to do?
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Who I just did?
Speaker 4 (36:39):
How's that one?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
That one?
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Okay, there's little thing's mom still.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Tells you what to do?
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Says I want to give up my name.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
You won't want to give up your name. You won't
want to give up your name? Well, I can't wait
to read the script, right, and then we'll have to put.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Some pretend of course, pretend of course?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
What's a good river for? Pretend?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Fabricate?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Embellish embellish? Ice was on the roof, on the rubber
roof of hand.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Whipped fell.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
You think a guy has a problem, take another guy's
life in that business.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Hypothetically, I.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Would never take a life unless my life was in
danger or my family life was in danger.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You know what I'm saying, And hypothetically, hypothetetically.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Speak, there's a lot of people deserve hypothetically, hypothetically deserve killing.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
But I'm just not that type of person unless somebody's
going to.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Well for defensive mechanisms.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And hypothetically of course, again, okay, we're just gonna go
hypothetically hypothetical.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Okay, alleged, there you go.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Is there anybody at chair that wants to ask a
question while we have a few moments, just ask them,
because like, oh Jesus, how many seconds you got? Fifty seconds?
You got? You got thirty seconds? The answer, that's the question.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
So basically, had you I just want you get your
job with the police, you would have not been the criminal.
You would have been a corrupt I would have been
a good one.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Well, we can't say that because you don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I mean, I would have been a good call. I wouldn't.
I wouldn't been.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Even though, Okay, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I definitely want to.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
No, No, let's go back, let's go backwards. He would
have been a good cop. Because he didn't know what
who is real dad was.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
But I wouldn't have created charges a lie like they
do today.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Okay, this is Cindy Stumpo.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
When you listen to his nails and we'll be right
back and welcome back to Tempest Nails on wb Z.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
People want to like to get to reach out of
what they want to know about this series.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
How do they reach you?
Speaker 5 (39:03):
Uh? Anyone could reach me on our production company's website,
Reignsupreme dot world and uh, there's a link on there.
You could learn about any projects we have in pre
production right now, or you know, contact us. We're just
looking for anyone who is real and is interested in
working with us because we're anti Hollywood right now.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Okay, then my real fast question. You're gonna shoot this
in Massachusetts? Absolutely, We're going to go to Canada where
it's stupid to shoot it. Now, you're gonna shoot it
Bostin boys. Okay, people, have a great safe weekend. You
will listen to Toughest Nails on WBZ. Have a great
safe weekend.
And welcome to Toughest Nails on WBZ News Radio ten
thirty and we have who in the studio, Sammy.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Stump and Silent Bob.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
So we left off last weekend with a lot of questions.
There's a question that Dennis wanted me to ask you
something about Arizona.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
He told you earlier that there was a setup and
he had two different informants from two different agents.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Oh that was in Arizona.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Exactly, and they didn't know of each other he knew, okay,
So that was the Arizona story. That was Arizona story
that I wanted to tell.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
How many drugs you think we're getting moved down the
north end of that. I'm not saying you were selling
drugs hypothetically, we're talking in hypothetics. How much drugs do
you think at that time you saw drugs being moved?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I mean, I mean a lot of it, A lot
of it was coming in. But you got to remember too,
in order for it to come in, it had to
have government assistants. They were using informants to bring the
drugs in from Colombia.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
See thank you, I'm waiting for that.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
In say the truly happened?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I read people don't believe this.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
They don't believe it, which is so ridiculous, right that
people can't add two plus two.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's so easy. I read a case John Gilly, a
good friend of mine. I did a twenty to fifty
five motion read a Heavieu's corpus for him. And what
happened in his case was the Partment of Homeland Security
paid a Mexican catael informant fifteen thousand to drive two
thousand pounds a weed over from Mexico into the United States.
They flew the weed from Arizona to Boston to Sting
(01:30):
my friend for two thousand pounds. Now, is there something
wrong with that story? Yes, yes, they instigated fermented it.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But somebody with common sense, right, But most people don't
have common sense senses.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You're not supposed to create a manufacturer of crime. They
do it.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So. I remember at one point you were not getting
drugs and Revere you had to cross over to Chelsea,
and that's when packs were becoming big. Do you remember those?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I do you remember a lot of people were dying
from packs.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
A lot of people dying for packs.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And then that kind of left out left was Angelo
still run the streets.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think back then he was around the streets, but
he was more in than North End.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
They still kept Revere clean for some reason.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, they were kept clean.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
You wanted drugs, you went to Chelsea. You didn't really
get much around Rivere. Were you trying to whisper?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And Jelo did and run Revere.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
But he still kept a protection on that.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Done right, But he couldn't get Revere because Revere was
direct to Patriarca through Sunny Rioult.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Right, but Patriarcha was still the angelus, still answer to Patriarcha, right, but.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Julu always wanted reve couldn't get.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
It because the patriarch was cover Revera.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Back then Patriarcha direct to Sunny Boy.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Okay, so we'll just speaking hyper then, Okay, hypothetics. There's
a lot of craziness going on the streets when you're
on the streets for those three years, right, they want
you off those streets. Guys slipping off, slipping off, the
slipping one's pushing them.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
It was some day, but it was it was ice.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Ice was slipping them off. Rust and there's a lot
of craziness going on. Do you think that the North
End me personally again, you've been in jail for a
long time. I still think the North End is one
of the safest places. It is. When my daughter walks
down that street and god forbid, she's drunk, somebody's getting
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her to safety.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Okay, it's a very nice neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
It's the only part of Boston really, as far as
I'm concerned, is still very safe. Now. Is it safe
because it's a Frankie's down there and other guys are
down there, or is it safe because there's just a
code of ethic down there.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
We're not gonna it's definitely a cult of ethics.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
A sexist friend that can't live in that neighborhood or
be known to be living in that neighborhood. It's just
not going to happen.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Even though all the yuppies moved in in the nineties.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Anybody's bothering, you know, innocent women and children. They're not
going to survive down there going to happen.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Okay, here's a couple of questions when you walked out
of prison after all those years.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
The last and the last one, could you like I.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Know with Joey, why like his phone's ringing, I'm going
doing your phone's ringing, and Joey's going, where's the phone, Cindy,
It's in your pocket. Took him some time the first time.
Then he got pushed back in right, right, so and
I and I said to him on time, is it
that you like to be institutionalized and you just want
to go back because you're making me crazy with that
you do, right, But that's me talking to Joey like
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my brother with you when you walked out on that
last go round.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
You never want to go back in.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Right, Nobody wants to. I mean, who wants to be
locked down?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Because I think some people become institutionalized.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Some people do come institutionalized. But it's all about the mind.
Like I said to you earlier, it's all in the mind.
You have to have a strong mind. I kept busy,
I worked out, I ate good and I did legal work.
I kept busy around the clock.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So you're doing legal works. So you were educating yourself
while you were in there.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Exactly. I got a lot of people out of prison.
I can't get myself out, but I got a lot
of people out.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
You couldn't get yourself out because.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I had a corupt judge and corupt prosecutor and so
on and so forth. They just Robert samthed everything I
did since nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
And there's no way assuming all those credit.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I mean, there's so much protection. They have an absolute
immunity and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And you know, so for people that think that the
government is not corrupt, what's your answers for that one?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Uh, they kind of earned the moniker Nazi America.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
When they want you, they want you, well, they can
create it.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Look what they did the Trump. They weaponized the jujitsial
system to prevent him become president of the United States
and nearly got him killed by a twenty year old
with no military experience on a roof that a Toys
r US twenty five dollars drone could have found with
the Secret Service, the FBI, the state police, and they
allowed it to happen. They either want you dead or
(05:57):
are they going to weaponize the judicial system to take
it down? And Trump's a perfect example.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
How did you stay positive after life like that? In jail?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
How'd I stay positive? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Were the days that you just felt like I No,
I just.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Always remained positive, Like when I got the thirty five
year sentence.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Well, okay, so let me bring you back in time.
The judge says, okay, bye bye. You're going to jail
for thirty five years. What runs for your head?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
What ran through my head was I'm having a bad day.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
And bad day is I like the guys didn't put
the pillar windows in or Pello did to get to
live it.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
That's I was always confident that I would get out someday,
and I did twenty eight years earlier. I thought it
would have been a little sooner, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So they gave you a pass off. How many years
would they make you stay the whole time?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Twenty eight years. I got out a year and a
half early under the First Step Act. When I walked
into Coleman one, I was there on a punishment in Florida,
and that was usp Homan one. The case manager looked
at me, says, I was seven years old when you
went away. She goes, that was twenty eight years ago.
She's I pointing you in for the halfware house. I
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kind of thought it was a joke, and she did,
and she got me out and half early.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Okay, today, do you have to look over your shoulder
of anybody?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Nobody because most of them are Witness Protection, dead or
want to be friends.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Okay, so most of the guys that you know left
the Witness witness.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Either Witness Protection, the Rats, they dead, or they're dead,
or they want to be friends.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
But technically you're not supposed to be friends with guys
like that.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Oh no, no, I'm not friends with the rats and
I'm not friends with the Witness Protection program people.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
No, you can't get to Witness part. You could get
to Witness Protection. I guess if you want to. But
when you've done time, I thought, when you do time
and if I do time, we're not supposed to.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Hang out together.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
What do you mean by that? I don't say.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I thought, when you do time and I do time.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Oh, you're talking about being around known felons. Correct, right,
But but your question was I'm not going to look
behind my you know, oh my shoulder. That was So
if that's the case, No, do I fear anybody's gonna
arm me? No? No, because I did nothing wrong and
I'm no threat to anybody. Un let's steer a threat
to me. And I'm not trying to be a threat
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to anybody.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
And nobody wanted to prove a point in jail, there's.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
No no, there's no point of proving. So I went
in my time.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
The one thing that Joey did explain to me, no
matter who's here for what, we're here from Boston. We
might not like each other in Boston, but we're gonna
stick together the whole Dad thought were coming right back.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
I'm Cindy Stumbley. Listen to Toughest Nails on w BZ.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
We'll be right back and welcome back to Cindy Stumbo
Toughest Nails on w b Z News Radio ten thirty.
I was asking you a question, you remember the question, Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
What does Boston say with Boston? Yes, Boston protects Boston
for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So you could be in New York, Jersey, South Carolina,
now the West Coast no matter.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
What Boston says with Boston. Less if they're a rat
or they're sex offenders, they're on their own, and you see,
they're not gonna be around. And that's just the way
it is.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
So let's say you and I I'm a man, we
were in the streets together. I didn't like you, you
didn't like me, but we end up in some federal
prison together. We are going to protect each other.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Usually usually that's gonna happen. Like I said, if you
have bad paperwork, there is no protection. You're gonna be
a target. So bad paperwork is what rat rat or
a sex offender.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Sex offender in children.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Sex offender against anybody. You know what I'm saying. They're
just not allowed not you know, they can't walk into population.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So now you're in jail and a guy comes in
and he's a sex offender, You guys, just keep you distance.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, he has to go. He has to go, and
he goes one way or the other. Either goes nicely
or he gets stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And when you say nicely, in other words, he has.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
To check in. He has to go to the whole.
He's not cannot walk that compound. Period. There's no if
sands abuts about it. You have bad paperwork, you're not
walking that compound.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Some bad's gonna happ You all know before they come
in who.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Usually we have the laundry list, so we know who's
who as soon as they usually hit the door. And
sometimes you know they let you know, you know this
guy is this, that and the other thing. Plus you
can google anybody today.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So a sex offender in your opinion is anybody that
hurts women or children.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Child, anybody underage, you know that's a sex.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Was There a lot of them in the can.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Oh my god, I'm talking like in like for Dickson, Jersey.
They have their own clue. There's like a thousand on them.
And what they all hang out together, all hang out together.
They're military guys, and you got to see some of them.
They have their own clue now that there's so many
of them.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
The military guys.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
A lot of them are military and they're you know,
you wouldn't think they were sex offenders and they never
know who. But now they have their own little crew.
Like in places like in the United States penitentiary, they
can't walk period. It's called a usp they cannot walk there.
But in places like lows and camps and halfway houses
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they are loaded. Well not so much camps because they
won't let them out a camp, but in the lows,
that's like they're breathing ground. There's so many of them
you can't control it.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
What kept you normal?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And I know we want to get into Rexiss thing
for a second, but what kept your normal in that can.
I've asked Joey that a million times.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Your mind. Your mind is everything. You have to have
a strong mind. If you have a weak mind, your dead.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Did an ye jail try to come after you? No,
never once never, never never.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
And if they did, I was ready. But there was
no reason to good paperwork. I didn't owe money. I
didn't let nobody owe me. You know I have uh,
you know, I've been doing my time. I just mind
my own business. See the problem when prison is it's
either owe somebody or somebody owes you, or you have
bad paperwork. And nobody owed me. And I didn't know anybody,
(12:07):
and I had good paperwork. And you have to mind
your business.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Is it true?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
When young guys come in, the pretty boys come in,
they get tortured.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Sometimes that happens. Sometimes a pretty boy will stick a
knife in you too. Depends on who it is. You
can't underestimate one hundred and twenty pound guy.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Always coming in from New York. The New York is
going to take care of him.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Usually. Yeah, if he's got good paperwork, he won't have
a problem, you know what I'm saying. But he has
to carry himself right too, camping running around on bills
and getting drugged out and degeneral gambling, not paying his
that's you know. The problems happened after that, no matter
who you are and ware from.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
And then the calls come to the jill give this
guy a beating.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
That's sort well, I mean, the penitentiary is a lot
more politics. People getting stabbed for cotton line, the.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Kind of line line. Okay, let's talk about them movie.
Who wants to talk to me about the movie? No,
he wants to bad behind you ahead, Well, my name
is Rex de Palma, and say that again, and come
on this. My name's Rex de Palma, and I'm a
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writer director and I'm an actor too.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
I started out acting and then I got into writing
and directing, and this is my first feature film, and
it is about what's going on in America, this whole
fetanyl crisis that is the number one cause of death
in America right now. Most people don't know, but someone's
I think most of us know that. No, a lot
of people don't know. Beats, cancer, car accidents, like literally,
(13:41):
someone dies every eleven minutes.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I followed the every eleven minute. You do, absolutely, kids
are dying every eleven minutes.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
When I found out this stats, say do I follow
that all the time? It blew my mind because you know,
there's a stigma. Everyone thinks someone dies it's an OD,
they're a druggy. But a lot of the time it's not.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
No, it's a thirteen year old taking a pill exactly
that their friend gave them for add medication and they're dead.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
And that's not an OD. In my mind, that's murder.
Just like if I put rap poison in your sandwich said, hey,
this is a sandwich. So that's what this film is
going to touch on. It's going to educate a lot
of people that don't know about that, and then the
people that are in that world are going to be like, wow,
we've never seen.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
A film for how you're going to incorporate Gig's story
of a.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
That's a different animal. It's a different film.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Okay, I watch about your film.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Oh all right, Patriarch. Patriarchal Purge is not a film.
I don't want to talk.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
About a film.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
I need to talk about Gigi's film.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Okay, that's the book. So the book is based on
the this book book too.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I mean, like, you have a movie too, but I
want to hear about this.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
One right this right here, Well, this is like a
basis of the TV mini series that we're both doing together,
and we both wrote the book together and it's called
The Patriarchal Purge, and it's going to disclose a lot
of the corruption, judicial misconduct, prosecutorial misconduct, how informants had
a license to kill in Boston, and how prosecutors basically
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had a license to prosecute people, uh, you know with
you know, with the misconduct that they were had a
license to conduct. And it's also going to tell you
a little bit about what happened with the war, how
the FBI instigated the environment violence. Angel Sonny Marcurial, James Whity,
Bolger scene right from Flemy were informants for Conley and Buckley,
(15:33):
FBI agents and they had a license to kill and
they instigated all the violence in Boston, along with a
bunch of other informants. And it's going to disclose a
lot but went on the wall stuff that people, there will.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Be things in that movie that you cannot produce. The
might correct on that.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
What do you mean by you cannot produce?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Well, we're not going to show everything, right, what do
you mean, like what well, things that we shouldn't public records?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I mean a lot of the stuff is independently corroborated,
like he said, in the public record, in the public domain.
But there's gonna be some stuff that they don't want
people to know about how you know, how the government works,
how they create manufacturer crime and weaponize the judicial system.
This stuff like that's going to be disclosed, you know
what I'm saying. And of course it's entertainment, so it's
(16:20):
gonna be a little embellishment, you know what I mean,
But a lot of it's going to be accurate and
support it with the public record.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
You both believe that people still love gangster movies, right,
they do.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
There's a thing for it, absolutely.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
That's why we're having an influx of you know, gangsters
doing podcasts that are really successful. But it's never been done.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Right as any gangster had to go back to jail
because they opened about the open their mouth about something
that they didn't get charged for.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yet that always, I mean, the statute of limitations over
on a lot of this stuff, like I'm Robbie's is
are going stuff like that. The only thing there's no
statue on it murder right, So, and like I said,
either the people were admitted to the murder, found guilty
of the murder. They were on witness protection or did that,
so they already did that time, right.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
And on those streets, you were never afraid of getting killed.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean, you can't run around being scared. It's not
going to get your too today. Well, no business, you can't.
You gotta be You're gonna have a liberal.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
You have allies and you've got enemies in that world, right,
And the difference is after Bulger, you don't know who
your friends.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Were, and you don't know who you especially after all
these years, you don't know who's who. I mean almost
three decades later. People change. You don't know where they stand.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
If you would have talked today to your young self
and say, Gigi, would you what do you do? If
you today could talk to your young self, what would
you say?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Stay away from everybody because they're all waying wise?
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Stay away from everybody.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, it's bad. It's that bad.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Everybody's got a.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Look at the FBI just dimanded the organized crime strike
for us. Why because they got a list. They put
all the names of everybody up there and they said,
wait a minute, how are we gonna talget to these guys?
How going to work for us, Jimmy, think about it.
I'm not saying everybody. They're controlling. Listen, the FBI controls
who dies, who goes to jail, who gets a free beast?
(18:23):
And I end up going to jail because you windn't talk,
because I wouldn't work with them.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
No, So just like Joey why he went.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
So if you talk, they walk in the streets and
they got ten and twenty murders under their belt.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
What made you decide you weren't going to be a
rat because.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I couldn't live with myself if you told me. Listen,
you're not gonna have to do one day in jail.
See that little pit bull over there, we're gonna put
him in a cage for twenty years that I.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Thought he to Cindy Stumpo Toughest Nails in WBZ News
Radios right back, and welcome back to Toughest Nails on
WBZ News Radio ten thirty and we're here with Who, Sammy.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Dennis Petasino, Rex To Palma, Vincent, Gigi Marino.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Okay, you cite for this movie?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yes, it's a TV series, TV series, even better TV
mini series.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Okay, hoping what Netflix one of those picks it up possibility.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
The formula is manifesting no documentary then TV series. That's
kind of their winning formula. They've done it with Menendez
Brothers and No Damer. It's kind of just goes.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
You know, obviously they're going to have to kind of
show the real Gigi out there, right, yeah, but we're
going to make believe. We're gonna do something, make believe stuff, right,
We're gonna, okay because we want to see Gig.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Go back to jail.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
No, no, of course not.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
But it's definitely if it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
So many rats and so much and it was like
it was at one point, would you want to take Okay,
there's the north end?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Still have made men? Are they still paying to become
made men?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
That?
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I don't understand? Now?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
It's really bad.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
What is it?
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Concept is so bad? Is the concept is so bad?
Nobody's researching people's background. It's just like, you know what
I mean, It's like it's not good. It's not good.
I don't want to be pacific, but it's not good. Okay,
you know what I mean a lot of people are
not happy with me out here because I know they
who background, I know who they really are sogardless of
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what title.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
That's why he asked you.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
The guys that, yeah, they're not happy with me being
out here because i'm.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But they know you didn't they know you didn't want
anybody out.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
No, no, no, not in that aspect, any aspect. I
might know who they are and what they've done.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
But if you're going to say something you would no, no, no,
no not.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You're looking at a different aspect. You're acting like, oh,
I'm going to tell on them. No, that's not going
to happen. But I know what they are, meaning their
informents and such and such. Oh and then I could
disclose it because I know who they are and what
their background is. But I keep quiet. I stay away.
I don't get involved.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
And again I'll ask you.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But they're not comfortable with me out there. Okay, not
because they're going to go to jail, because that's not happened.
They got a free pass anyway.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
They're like staves are thes ever making any We still
got punks out there. Let's get that strung.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You've got a lot of good guys out there still,
and you got a lot of punks out there. But
that's everywhere, you know, what I'm saying. But think about it.
They targeted the Italians. Think about these are bookmakers and shylocks,
most of them, and they protect their family, to protect
the neighborhood. Sex offenders and you know rapists and you
know serial killers. They're killing women and children in the area.
(21:38):
Cannot live in them neighborhoods. So what they did was
they taget the Italians and guess what moved in. You
know other gangs that will kill a cop for the
badger honor. They were more safer with the Italians out
there because they only killed each other hypothetically. And they're
just bookmakers and shylocks. And think about it. The government
(21:58):
adopted their concept and they're making moneys off what the
numbers are gambling. They took it all. There's nothing left you.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Here's my big question too. My dad being from Sicily,
her dad being from Calabria. It's still huge there.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It's huge, collaborate Colabreans are probably the biggest contail in
the world, that's what they say. Now, bigger than any.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Of them, which was Sicily's move to collaborate.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Exactly, biggest, the biggest because not only they're making billions
and billions at all is they just have it down.
But they can't the Mexicans and the Colombians copy that
enter worme. Why because they have to have respect for
the Vatican and the Pope. They have to they have
to respect that territory religious the Vatican trains.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
So who they making money off.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
In collaborate the world, not just not just Italy world.
That's what makes them big because they're international. They're not national,
they're international.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
And they're making their money huge.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Anything anything, what's anything mean? Well, I don't want to
be specific, but they making.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Well let's let's talk and hypothetics. What would be hypothetically something?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Anything other than unethical stuff. They're gonna be ethical. They're
not going to get involved unethical stuff, you know what
I'm saying. But they're huge.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Are women and children save in Colabria?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Of course absolutely?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
I know that mighty of ethics.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You know what I'm saying. They don't step over that.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
I told you they opened a hotel just for them
to stay at.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
My son was.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
His father went to school in Columbia and collaborate Colabria
a couple of years because he wouldn't learn the language
here with his parents and my son's playing for the.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
For the European Tour.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
The golf beautiful and it was.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
The way you know, it's kind of the season had
no was this fall?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, fall now April March, March, and the hotel had
an open yet and guy was walking down the streets
like Peppy stumpo and turned around. It was a good
friend he went to school with and they recognized him,
and Chads called me from the hotel, I don't know
where we are. This place is scaring me. So the
guy must have said, pick up your luggage when you
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walk it. I don't want to scratch in my marble floors.
And my son was probably well it was Chad eighteen.
He's like, yeah, left us and I'm Mafia hotel or something.
Ran like Chad, relax, you're safe there. Don't worry about
you with Mikey Mom, I'm telling these people are crazy here.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I'm like, don't worry about it. Just you're you're good buddy.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
And then they went over to Sicily and then the
funny Pot when he's playing in the Sicilian Open, the
reporter got to know Chad and then brought him five
crests because the Leonardi family had five crests. So Chad says, well,
do the stumble feel me have any crests, and they
said no, they were what farmers. I don't know, so
(25:00):
at is what had all crests, you know, warriors or whatever.
But I think my son saw something had never seen before.
So it's still strong over there, not strong over here.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Ah, it's probably strong all over the world. That's what
makes them so big there everywhere. They were everywhere. There's
an Italian community in Dominican Republic. I mean, they were
in Brazil. You know there's sixty main Italians living in Brazil.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
No, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, the biggest population of Italians in the world. And
they're in Argentina, they're in Canada, they're all over.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
The well, they went to Argentina when our parents came
grandparents came to write America. It was either go to Argentina, America, Canada,
I don't know, Yes, Canada really.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Absolutely, Yeah, Montreal, Toronto, they're huge.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
So are you excited to do this series? Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
And it's going to be done in Boston, Boston.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, you ready to do this.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I'm ready to do it and this will be your thing. Yeah.
And then we have Pride. Before this, we have the
movie Press based on the fentanyl crisis, and then after
that we have Crypto Terrestrial well mini series based on that. Uh,
the UFOs and the U A p. S. Sweet aerial phenomenal.
(26:20):
I've seen the galaxy and planets out there. Are you
kidding me? You think the only life for them? You
know what they say, they did a hobbit study. Guess
what they found out.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
I don't want those hobbit guys.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Are living amongst us, the.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Old smoking in jail.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I don't do drugs.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
I just know plan Do you have any.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Proof like I years ago?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Was it Reagan that had like aliens.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
And independently corllaborated proof this exists? How can you be
the only life?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And I don't know I had. It's gonna pop out
of heads in a little person.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I mean, you see that movie they live with what
was the wrestling named Ronnie Ronnie Piper. You gotta watch it.
That's good. They put the glasses on like they could
be looking at everybody in this room and there could
be a couple of aliens right here. Once they put
the glass on, they expose them. You have to watch
that movie. It's a great movie.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Okay, I have I have another question. Your mom's still alive.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
No, she died to seventeen, Yeah, twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
You think they're watching over you to make sure you
keep it.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I think our when somebody dies in our family, they're
only physically dead their mind and their spirit their soul.
How do you want whatever religion you're in, everybody can
agree upon that lives forever. You can't kill the energy body.
If you say so, that's true.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Where am I going?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I mean, you're not gonna go anyway bad.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
I might jump into somebody else's body.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You might, you might, you might be reincarnated.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Do you believe in that?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I believe in that?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Did you believe in all this before you went to jail.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
The first time? Uh?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I never really thought about it. Then. I had so busy,
I was busy doing other things. I started thinking about
it when I was in jail.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
So jail just you brought in the horizon of the
mind because you have more time to explore things and
read and educate yourself.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Most of jails you were in hardcore guys or.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
It was always I mean I was in like six
pen of tentries where everybody's walking around with three knives
in case one breaks. You know what I'm saying, and
like you know, it's but like I said, if you
don't owe nobody, nobody owes you your mind, your business.
You have good paperwork usually right smooth.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Now can some of the guys the old fashion there
can buy off the right people, and anything can happen.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
You could die any minute in prison, and it might
be the cops to kill you too if you say
the one word to them. Really absolutely, they're not. They
don't play games in there at all.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Oh that thought, I'm sinning, stampooning you listen to Toughest
Nails on WBC. You'll be right back and welcome back
to Toughest Nails on WBC News Radio ten thir ety.
I'm Cindy, I'm Sammy, and.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I'm Dennis Petrosino rex to Palma Vincent GIZI Marino.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I think we need one more vowel in this room.
What do you think another vowel might work? Okay, so
I think and I'm not sure. Did I get to
all my questions and I was supposed to ask, did I.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I think you?
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Did?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I think them all I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
The only part that I have a problem. The whole thing.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Is, there was nobody when you were growing up said
you were a bad kid. Like it was when we
go to high school. You always heard this kids that, this,
kids at jerk. This is that nobody had anything to
say bad about And you you grew up in near
raised projects.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Right right, I grew up in the Rose Street.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You were the worst. You were even worse.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
So you were with raised cousins over there, so and
and you that father was a cop, No he was.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
That was the room.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
He was a long shoreman and that was the best
he could do with two boys. What do you mean,
keep you guys in the projects? Had a full time job.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, Well he worked, like I said, as an International
long Shoreman Association on the docks. You know, they were
making money, They were making good money. But see what
happened was he'd make a great paycheck and then go
blowing in the bar and get drunk. You know what
I'm saying. And that was his problem. Other than that,
he would be a multi millionaire for what.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Four boys?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
No, there was four boys, four boys and one girl.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Wait, he had five kids with your man?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
He had No, he had only three, right, he had
three and had two me and my brother with Marino,
So there was two with brother. I have a brother exactly,
and and three other siblings, which is two more brothers.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Your mom had five kids all together. What happened to
your brother, your.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Real brother, he's still life and he's.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
In the world with you.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Where he went down a different path?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
No, he was more like a Bentley calls four point
zero average CPA type of guy, public accountant type of guy.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
So he went down the straight and arrow right pretty much.
So basically, Okay, Dennis is making faces. They'll come out
in the movie The Fifth. Okay, Dennis playing the Fifth.
But whatever, you live two separate lives, right, blue collar worker?
What's the word they would call you today? I don't know,
(31:36):
A reform thug? Reform thug, I guess.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I mean you can categorize things certain ways.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
What would be the word you would categorize.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
After all these years a legitimate filmmaker.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Well, you had to do a lot of things to
get you to this.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I guess a lot of bumps in the world.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
So it's like you got the whole lot of your
whole world. You oh, like at this stage of game,
you want to fast forward everything because you've lost thirty five.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I'm definitely putting everything on speed load of course. Okay, absolutely,
but in the positive direction.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
All right, So we're gonna sprinting out a marathon right now,
right exactly. Yeah again, I'm going to say it again.
You're always known as a good kid. Yeah, so I
think something just right in a blink of an eye, father,
is there something you want to say saying?
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Well, I think the turning point we covered it earlier,
right when he found out his father wasn't his real father.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
We have a sing on this and received we have
a sing on the street.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
So you really think all bad? Anger?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That was pretty bad. Anger, pretty bad, made you go down,
that made you you know, you've got gypped in life,
like you got you know what I mean, like you
got shot shot change.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Why you think everything you know is a lie? Is?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
That's it? And you will lie your own mother. You
don't lie to your kids. It's a bad thing to do.
Don't force them to do things they don't want to do.
They like baseball, let them play baseball. If they don't
like football, don't play football.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Yeah, I never, I never, don't force them.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You don't give them an opportunity to look at everything,
but don't force them.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
But you are right when he says that, because Chad's
torturing my life since the day I said, okay, yes,
your dad cheated and then I was the liar. But
he tells that to an eight year old. I told
you to tell him, and she told me tell him
the truth.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I said, I'm not tell my eight year old son that.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
I said, you don't have a choice because I'm never
going to trust you unless you tell him.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
You have to Yeah, you have to be He still
doesn't know who means a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I don't think you tell me you can't change when
you tell your eight year old son that, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
My job is to protect my children.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I mean, I would never talk bad about my mother.
I mean not my mother, but my uh my ex girl,
and she has you know, my son. I would never
bad mouth her. You know what I mean? But if
you have, I don't know because I'm not there, but
I know that if my son asked me a question,
I'm not gonna lie. If you don't ask me a question,
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Offering how old your son?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Right now? He's thirty five, okay, And.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
When he was growing up, you weren't around.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I was only around when we had the season tickets
of the Bruins.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
He was about seven years old. Eight years old.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
And then how's that relationship now?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, at for us it was rough because hey, Dad,
you weren't around for twenty eight years, blah blah blah.
Hey listen, I had no choice. I'm not going to
be a rat. You know what I'm saying. You know
about the corruption of my case. So I shouldn't have
done twenty eight. They should have only done ten. But
it happened, and it is what it is. We get
along great now.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
One hell of a christening party, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Yeah, and then if you look back, you're happy you
were never a rat.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
One hundred percent. I would never go that direction.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
But most guys will save their asses in a second.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
And when they do it, they don't care about I mean,
they only selfish. They care about themselves. They don't care
about their family, who they put in jeopardy or anybody else.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Because once you rat somebody else out, you're putting your
family at Did.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
You ever ask your mom why she lied?
Speaker 5 (35:03):
What?
Speaker 6 (35:03):
Did you ever ask her why she.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Lied, Oh, yeah, we had some battles. We definitely had
some battles.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Did she ever give you an answer that you could
wrap your arms around?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
What do you mean as far as what this wasn't
your father?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
And I didn't want to tell you who your father was.
He died at a very young age, and I wanted
you to have a family.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Her response was, I changed your name because I wanted
everybody have the same name. She barely really didn't want
to look bad either, you know, having two different names.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Was that the thing?
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Back then? It's not like your parents got divorced. Your
died right right.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
So she would how would she look bad? I mean,
it is what it is, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
But what would have been the good age? A good
age should tell you the truth?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Ten?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
So she had come clean at ten.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I would have I would have been all right with it.
I would have been all right. But you know, let
this lie live along like you know, okay, you know,
and don't change the name. Keep the name the way
it's supposed to be, so you don't do it. The
biological name is what it should be.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I agree with that, and I don't understand woman that
when they get divorced, they change their names back to
their main name. Right.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
I don't want a different name.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Than my children, exactly right. You don't want that.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
I don't want that, right. I want to be with
my kids.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I agree with you on that one.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
So that might be some old fashioned stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I don't know, but that's just me.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I agree with you. I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Actually, when you get married, you better stay a stump.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Okay, I like that too.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
And you just say, don't tell me what to do?
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Who I just did?
Speaker 4 (36:39):
How's that one?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
That one?
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Okay, there's little thing's mom still.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Tells you what to do?
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Says I want to give up my name.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
You won't want to give up your name. You won't
want to give up your name? Well, I can't wait
to read the script, right, and then we'll have to put.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Some pretend of course, pretend of course?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
What's that?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
What's a good river for? Pretend?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Fabricate?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Embellish embellish? Ice was on the roof, on the rubber
roof of hand.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Whipped fell.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
You think a guy has a problem, take another guy's
life in that business.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Hypothetically, I.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Would never take a life unless my life was in
danger or my family life was in danger.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You know what I'm saying, And hypothetically, hypothetetically.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Speak, there's a lot of people deserve hypothetically, hypothetically deserve killing.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
But I'm just not that type of person unless somebody's
going to.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Well for defensive mechanisms.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And hypothetically of course, again, okay, we're just gonna go
hypothetically hypothetical.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Okay, alleged, there you go.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Is there anybody at chair that wants to ask a
question while we have a few moments, just ask them,
because like, oh Jesus, how many seconds you got? Fifty seconds?
You got? You got thirty seconds? The answer, that's the question.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
So basically, had you I just want you get your
job with the police, you would have not been the criminal.
You would have been a corrupt I would have been
a good one.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Well, we can't say that because you don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I mean, I would have been a good call. I wouldn't.
I wouldn't been.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
Even though, Okay, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I definitely want to.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
No, No, let's go back, let's go backwards. He would
have been a good cop. Because he didn't know what
who is real dad was.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
But I wouldn't have created charges a lie like they
do today.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Okay, this is Cindy Stumpo.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
When you listen to his nails and we'll be right
back and welcome back to Tempest Nails on wb Z.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
People want to like to get to reach out of
what they want to know about this series.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
How do they reach you?
Speaker 5 (39:03):
Uh? Anyone could reach me on our production company's website,
Reignsupreme dot world and uh, there's a link on there.
You could learn about any projects we have in pre
production right now, or you know, contact us. We're just
looking for anyone who is real and is interested in
working with us because we're anti Hollywood right now.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Okay, then my real fast question. You're gonna shoot this
in Massachusetts? Absolutely, We're going to go to Canada where
it's stupid to shoot it. Now, you're gonna shoot it
Bostin boys. Okay, people, have a great safe weekend. You
will listen to Toughest Nails on WBZ. Have a great
safe weekend.
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