July 18, 2025 • 50 mins
We discuss the newest entry into the MCU - 'Ironheart'
Created by Chinaka Hodge and Starring Dominique Thorne, Anthony Ramos & Lyric Ross - Genius teenage inventor Riri Williams creates the most advanced suit of armor since Iron Man.
What did you think of the show? Where does the character go from here? Does the reveal get you going?
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Created by Chinaka Hodge and Starring Dominique Thorne, Anthony Ramos & Lyric Ross - Genius teenage inventor Riri Williams creates the most advanced suit of armor since Iron Man.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mac, I just created this. It's called a would you rather?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh? All right, so explain this to me.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
I'm gonna say two different things, okay, two different scenarios.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Sure, sure you will.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Then tell me which scenario you prefer.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All right.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I don't like to toss the hero word around a lot, right,
I'm not gonna do it here. Mac is a public servant,
civil servant. Shut the fuck out. If you were on
the street, walking down the street, stopping the yard, as
you would.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Say, that's what we call it in the biz.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Would you rather someone walk up to you and say,
hey man, you saved my life, or hey man, I
listen to your podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
So if I saved someone's life, I'd probably have a
pretty good idea of who they are, and so I
wouldn't be I don't know if i'd get a surprise
how you saved my life? But maybe maybe in twenty years,
who knows what. So says they're a fan of the podcast,
which I have had genuine encounters with. I enjoy it.
I welcome it. Someone says they saved I saved their life.
(01:01):
I might cry. So if you want to see me cry,
maybe maybe tell me that.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So you prefer I listen to your podcast over you
saved my life.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I'd have a lot more questions if you told me
I saved your life and I didn't know about it.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So yeah, maybe the podcast one.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You're gonna ask me the same question. Yeah, what's up.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
When you are routinely stopping the yard? What would you
rather hear someone telling you that they listened to the
podcast or someone telling you that you saved their life?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Aren't they one and the same.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Part of me, most of me knows that you came
up with the would you rather just so you could answer.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
That I came up at the end before the question.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Step one you say you need it's uh.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
No snow patrol today. One?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Go three, Yeah, just three, King of Queen mal Street.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And time and I'm Max and we are the Mac
and Goo program bringing you our fiftieth piece of content.
That's a lie. We have a lot more, but Marvel
has fifty.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
The MCU uh just crossed a threshold. They are now
in the fifties in terms of entries into the MCU.
Technically more if you would like to include what if
those two seasons three seasons?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I don't. I don't include them.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Your friendly Neighborhood spider Man is technically a venture into
the MCU, but it's sort of like to still a
DCU d c U DCEU term here. It's sort of
like an alse World's type of thing. And then Goo
thinks that x N ninety seven is in the mc No.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Now I have a question mark at the end that's
me asking a quest question like would you rather save
a life or get a podcast listener? Uh?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
The creators of x N ninety seven I specifically said
it is not a part of the MCU.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So this gup today we're.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Talking about Ironheart, the thirteenth MCU TV season, uh, and
the fiftieth over Oh, the forty ninth. I think it's
forty ninth. Sorry what thirty six?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Fuck you just ruined the whole first part of the podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's thirty six movies. Thirty six movies, so that's plus
thirteen is forty nine. So let's include what if in there?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
What one of the other ones that we said didn't matter?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
What if? We included what if?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So that we're fifty Yeah, fucking did it?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Thang?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, I will ask you this question, and I think
this is a good question when it comes to the
Marvel Television shows of did you find this to be
more enjoyable or more like homework?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
This was more enjoyable, and I totally I get so.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So this being the thirteenth season of MCU television, it's
a lot of seasons.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Of telephones, a lot of seasons of television.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And I think this is firmly in the enjoyable not homework.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I think there's three homework seasons outside of the eightish
or show show seasons of television that I've enjoyed to
a certain degree, and then I think there's two, one
really bad one in one kind of bad one. So
call those homework shows if you want. But I would
say eight of our thirteen seasons of television have been
(04:31):
worth watching, relevant, leading to stuff, and enjoyable.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
This included if I had one of those charts where
you have five big circles and there's like the little
in between in the middle, like a butt. Yep, I
would have ironheart right in the center of the butt.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Okay, fair enough, And there's not an even spread there though,
in those circles right for.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Four try and figure this less. Is it called the
vent diagram? Yes it is, Okay, It's a Van diagram.
Let's not get too crude, too crassier, Mac.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
The way you're sort of putting that and not ve
VN diagrams don't necessarily have the same size circles, but
the circle of homework is surely smaller than the jest.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, So, as someone who does still enjoy the MCU
enjoy Marvel, there are some shows that are more homework
than they are enjoyable. I do think that there are
enjoyable parts of this show, but it almost at points
felt like a placeholder just to get us to the
end of the season.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
See.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I don't agree with that, because I think this show
stands on its own really well. But what I think
you're speaking to a bit is the hype around certain
characters and the relevancy of certain characters, And there is
something to be said about that. And part of the
reason why the hype around this show and the build
up to this show was so minimal is because this
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is also a new character in the comics. Reary Williams
didn't exist in Marvel comics until a decade ago, shouldn't
become Heart until a year after that, So there's not
this long standing history of you and I and other
MCU viewers waiting for the debut of Reey Williams, waiting
for iron Heart and growing up with this character.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Those viewers don't exist.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Also, about two months before the premiere of this show,
Disney yelled news dump and said we're gonna put all
six episodes out on two days. And then when it
was released, I did not see a ton of buzz
around it, or news around it, or even like Disney
promoting it.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, that's an issue.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Promotion is an issue here in terms of release schedule,
I preferred it this way. So what we ended up doing.
This debuted on Disney Plus on June twenty fourth. We
got the first this is a six episode season. We
got the first three on June twenty fourth, the final
three the next Tuesday or Wednesday a week later. And
I really enjoy that because it's a it's a half binge,
half build up.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I almost would ever preferred maybe like a two to
two two.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I like a small build but I like being able
to watch multiple episodes when I have a chance.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You especially more so than I.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
You know, you're living this life, you got a family,
You'll have a finite amount of time to watch episodes,
so if that's once every two weeks, it kills you.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
When it's a weekly released.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I would have preferred if we instead got let's say,
thirty six fifteen minute episodes, and it's released out over.
Don't check forty weeks.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Goo's math on that.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Don't check my math. Also, I need like a week
off every once in a while.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Hugh Ironheart, Like I said, Disney Plus TV fourteen action adventure, drama,
fantasy and sci fi of course subgenre of superhero nonsense.
I might say at this point, six episodes totally three
hundred and two minutes. If you remove credits and whatnot,
it's about two hundred and sixty ish minutes of content.
And that works out to four hours and twenty minutes
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of content.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So what the nice taken the.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Reefer watching ironheard, I was sitting there and smoking a
marijuana like a cigarette and saying, let's fly to the stars.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Re re. So what I like.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
About the six episode thing and maybe an eight episode
thing is there's too much here to squeeze into a movie,
but not enough to give you like this dramatic ten nine,
ten eleven, twelve episode Season six worked out pretty well
for this, and I felt like episode to episode, it
was pretty consistent. It never got super high highs. But
(08:31):
I also feel like there weren't low lows either, and
that what I think. And I have actually spoken to
a couple of people because I mentioned I implored you
to watch the show for the last three weeks. I
did get a couple of listening every that have reached
out and then said, hey, I actually really enjoyed it.
Thank you for letting me know, because no one's talking
about it.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I enjoyed it. I don't know if I can say
really enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
That's I'm not gonna blame someone they really enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You didn't. You didn't re re enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I just said that.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You didn't say it like isaid.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I kinda did. I did it more like Jim Carrey though.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You speaking of enjoyment levels, we have numbers for that
here on Rotten Tomatoes. Roddy T's seventy seventy seven percent
from the critics, forty eight percent from the audience. So
the audience, more than half of you said thumbs down,
didn't enjoy this. As far as audience scores go, that
places eleventh of.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
The thirteen seasons.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It didn't count.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
So to give that some context, nine of the previous
twelve seasons of MCU television, from the audience eighty to
ninety percent, there's only three that fell below eighty. Those
were Echo, Secret Invasion and she Hulk. This is definitively
better than those three. So it has more in common
(09:50):
with the good MCO shows than the bat and it's
it doesn't even like that. That's a stark difference between
the scores. Let's talk about ark.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I will say I did get a feel of it.
Kind of felt like Hawkeye.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Oh, Hawkeye was phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
No I said it field like It's not field. It
felt like hawkeye.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Okay, so you're saying that as a positive.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yes, all right, Okay, Good Max always is attacking me.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
The way you said it sound positive?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Guys, chime in on the comment section. Let us know,
does Goose sound positive when being positive?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
On Metacritic gu a fifty seven, which is the worst
out of the thirteen seasons of television.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And that's that's confusing for me.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
No, I think in spoilers we can talk about.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
It, all right, We'll get to that. The previous remind.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Me though, because I'm not gonna remember that in twelve minutes.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Sure, it's a much closer spread. On Metacritic, there's a
top four that are all in the seventies, and then
everything else is in the sixties, ranging from sixty to
Echo up to sixty nine, Moon Night and Daredevil, Daredevil
Born Again. This is critics are saying, everyone's saying that great,
and I don't really agree because it is contextual.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You have to weigh.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Against past Marvel stuff, and it is definitively better than
at least four, if not five, of the MCU seasons
we've gotten. So I'm like annoyed by this whole situation.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Do you think it's because people are back on the
upswing of Marvel and they're like, I like what they
did with Reborn, I like what they did with Thunderbolts,
and then this feels too much like that Phase four
Phase five stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, this is phase five, and I don't know, just
shut up speaking of that. This concludes Phase five. Good.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I was trying to lead you into that.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Fantastic four kicks off phase six. This show's created by
Chanaka Hodge. They were a writer on snow Piercer, the
television series, and that has done okay, of course more
importantly here, the extra executive producer is Ryan Kugler. The
two directors we had in this series, or Samantha Bailey
and Angela Barnes, each did three episodes. This show stars
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Dominique Thorn as Rary william She essentially got this role
because she distant for Shury in Black Panther, and they
loved her so much they wanted to bring her back
for this and basically handed her the role. Anthony Ramos
as Parker Robbins aka The Hood, Lyrics Ross as Natalie,
Matthew Elam as Xavier, Natalie's brother, Angie White as Ronnie
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Williams that's Rary's mother, and Alden ahren Reich as Joe McGillicuddy.
We also have a little cast of clowns here, including
a clown Eric Andres in this as Rampage for.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Really eric Andre.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, I didn't really do Eric Andre things.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I needed him to also be more like eric Andre.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, we needed a little more of that, I agree.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Sonya Dennis or Denias clown, Jaron Merrill as slug Zoe
Taro Keys as Jerry Shakira Barrera that's fun to say
as Ra's Manny Montana as cousin John Reagan and Leah
as Zelma, Chris Summer as Madeline, and Jim Rashku pops
up here in the first episode as Professor Wils.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I was also expecting so much more Jim Rash. This
is in the first episode, Like Jim Rash is gonna
be in the show, and I don't know Jim Rash.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
There's also and this show has been out for nearly
a month now, there is a major spoiler cameo casting
note that we'll get to in the spoilers, and believe
you me, I was giddy when I saw it.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
We'll get to that in a few minutes. Good.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Like I mentioned, Rary Williams is a new character in
Marvel Comics. She debuted in May of twenty sixteen in
the Invincible Ironman series. She became Ironheart a year later,
eventually got her own comic series in twenty eighteen. So
she didn't even have her own comic series until a
year before Infinity War or the year of Infinity War.
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So that really speaks to the hype and or the
lack of hype and the lack of interest in this show.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I just don't think people know iron Hart.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And Ruby Williams and just assume it's a straight Iron
Man ripoff, and I don't blame them for that, but
it's it's a little annoying.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
But also when watching the show, I do, I felt
like every comp was really clunky, especially when it was
Rear talking to anyone outside of her Ai friend or
what's his name there? I do like the main actor
playing Anthony Ramos Ramos, every other conversation felt like so weirdly,
(14:20):
like it was just very hipster instilted, and everyone's reaction
to what re Rey was saying. I don't know, there
was something off with the dialogue.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, but it also speaks to these characters, and these
people were dealing with We're talking like seventeen eighteen, nineteen,
twenty twenty one, twenty two year old dummies.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Goo. You and I were both in that range once
and we were fucking dummies.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
So we were all different. Though everyone in this show
is the same.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Well, they built a crew to work together, so they're
naturally good.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
When you're building a crew, you get a face, you
get a bod, you get a wild car. You don't
just get a bunch of wild cars're.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Working towards the same goal, so that makes sense to me.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I'd a little bit about Rear if you didn't see,
Uh what kind of ever she's introduced in that movie,
which is I think it's starting to get a little
underrated at this point.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
That movie's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
She's just incredibly gifted student mind in specifically math and science,
really good problem solver. She's a lot like Shurry, so
they sort of take to each other in that movie.
She just lacks the high tech and the money to
really work with.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
That kind of made me think of this show. So
she's having an issue with funding. She wants to build
her iron suit, which, by the way, the iron suit
in this looks way better than Wakanda Forever tossed that
out there right.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Now, especially the one we get in the finale. It
looks pretty sweet.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
But when you're having a difficult time funding, when you're
inventing stuff, why not go to invent Help?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
G of the twelve seasons in the MCU, I would
like tographone. I would like to talk to you about
the tears I have and you tell me whether these
are mostly accurate.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I've always felt and I did know re starts into
this Invent Help is a scam, just praying on the
people that want to invent stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I have Echo and a tier of its own at
the bottom. You can include Secret Invasion in it. I
think Secret Invasion is much better than Echo, but neither Hair.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
They are there.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Above those two, I have she Hulk, Moonnight and the
Falcon and Winter Soldier. All had certain degrees of enjoyability,
also had certain degrees of suckiness too. On the whole,
I like them more than I didn't. Then I have
like this middle tier, which is really just everything that's
not Loki Season one and Hawkey, Miss Marvel, WandaVision, Loki
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Season two, Daredevil Born Again, Agatha all along, and I
think this fits in with that clump of shows. I
think it's mostly good, maybe lacks the high highs of
some of those, but doesn't have low lows either. And
then at the top is Loki Season one, which I
still think is definitively head and shoulders above everything else.
But then I think Hawkey is head and shoulders above
everything else we just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So what I would do in your tiering here is
I would flip on Division and Hawkeye, and then in
that middle club I would also put Daredevil Born Again
up there. Just below wand division and I would have
that middle clumpy there. I think She Hulk is like
sniffing up the backside of that one, just a bit outside.
(17:17):
And then I would put Secret Invasion at the bottom
with Echo.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
But we agree on like eighty percent of it, right,
I think that's a pretty fair ranking or tier.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Our Vendia Gram. We have a lot in the middle.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Good before we get to the nanagon here. I also
just want to say I really enjoyed the show's creativity
when introducing the Ironheart title card, and I got a
little kick out of that every episode as well.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Max, shall we get to the non spoiler nonagon, Yeah,
let's do it fun factor. There are bits and pieces,
but nothing is really standing out to me outside of
the last half an hour of the finale.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I think, and this is why I enjoyed Agatha all along.
I like the I like witchcraft and magic in the
way in which the MCU is using it. It's kind
of cheeky, it's fun. You know, they're not pulling any punches,
Like I enjoy the use of magic in this season
of television.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Maybe a little less than.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
An Agatha, but I think it's kind of similar the
way it gets used.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I guess if I could make one wish on this podcast,
it would be that you start wearing a witch hat
every episode, not just the Marvel stuff. Okay, Satisfactor, that
might be the best thing about the show, and I
think Marvel knew that, and Marvel knew that they had
to put something in here to grab some eyes. But
(18:42):
Satisfactor is what they did best.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
The finale here and the surprise cameo and scene extended
scene here is one of the two or three best
things they've done since Endgame now, including that I think
is the end of Loki season one. The He Who
Remained stuff, that introduction, that scene is phenomenal. I think
you also got a lot of.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Fun and dead pull and Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
The Spidey stuff was cool too. I expected telecacid yeah,
but the highs of Thunderbolts do not match the excitement level,
at least for me in the finale of this and
it was, like you said, we were talking briefly before
we started recording. There is echoes of He Who Remains
and what happens in this finale. I enjoyed the fuck
(19:27):
out of this final episode. It's I think the show
is worth watching prior to that anyways. But I think
if you're an MCU fan, and you've been an MCU
fan for a while, you gotta watch this season.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Of television borometer. And usually while I am watching increments
of a television show, when I'm done doing my task
where I'm allowed to watch said show, I'll be like, oh,
I want to watch more of this. I was very
easily able to put the bookmark in and say, all right,
I'll come back to this later.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Now, for me, after the end of the first three episodes,
I was really looking forward to the final three and
I liked that drop once again.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I thought the pacing was good, and.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
They built up your heroes and your villains in this
show pretty good, though it turns out they might all
be villains.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Oh Halloween, your excitement is making me too excited, even
though I know what happens in the show.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well, because of what happens to the finale.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I don't like your influence on me.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
It is opening up possibilities in the future, and so
then we might come back to this show at least
to that episode. And so I have a hard time
feeling like the show's going to go down because we
are inevitably going to come back to it.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
What is next? Awquater Worlds? I would go aqua otter
what I would go water World over this?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I liked this more than both Aquaman and water World.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Pants, Tent City, Excite, bike Mania. Yes, there is something
that got me going, and I don't want to say it.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yep, we'll talk about it in approximately five minutes.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
When life gives you lemons, you say, Jesse Plemmons, you
did it again, Mac who made plemonade on this show?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Clearly the thing we can't talk about was a massive
glass of plemonade. I also thought Aldan Aeron Reiic was
spotted pretty well in this.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
He's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I really liked re Rey's mom as well. I really
enjoyed the scenes between her and her mother. I thought
she was great, so I'll give it to her.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
So.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I think she's in it less probably than Alden Aaron Reich,
so let me give give her her proper credit.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I didn't love Rey's mom in this.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Angie White, Ronnie Williams.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I thought that she was one of the people that
had I don't know, very stale responses to Reray.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I don't agree.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I thought she was pretty steadfast and consistent with her message,
and I thought she's probably the best person in the
season the television, one of the few good folks.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
You want to give her credit to.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Max Credit Unit Gou.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
It's gonna go to Marvel Studios, the FCU, the people
who had the balls to side off on finally doing it.
And now I'll talk about that cameo that we're going
to talk about again in a few minutes.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
For those of you tarty to the Mac and Goop party,
we rate everything on a forty hot dog rating system,
and Yaks Mac, that cameo does save the show for me.
Overall the five episodes leading up to the finale, there
are a couple pretty good scenes, and I do believe
that it looks really good for a Marvel television show
that is using an Iron Man outfit. I like the
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setup of episode one and how she has to go
back to Chicago. I I thought a lot of the
stuff with the gang that she joins, I just I
don't love the dialogue going back and forth, and even
as yes, we are trying to do it in this quick,
heisty type of way, I just thought it was so
(22:47):
stale and the way that they were going about it.
But we do get a good look into re Re
and how maybe she isn't all cracked up or out.
She isn't all as she's cracked up to be, and
she doesn't have the same type of soul that some
of these other heroes have when it comes to needing
to save people. And it really is sense losing certain
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people in her lives, which I do think it does
deal with PTSD very well, and how she's not able
to go certain places, how she's not able to accept
certain people. I do like that. I'm looking at twenty
eight hot dogs. I don't like that score seven out
of ten.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, that's yeah, So you gave it a C C plus.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I don't know, fine, whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
This show to men talk to me like that consistently
between solid and good. It never really got great outside
of that cameo finale, and never really got under solid.
I thought it was just the heartbeat was good, and
once again I recognized it's hard to get people to
care about such a new character, no established history. But
what I do really like we kind of touched upon
(23:57):
a little bit. I really like the idea now that
these kids that are growing up in this mcu in
this world, in this universe, are envying these envying these heroes.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
And we got some of that in Miss Marvel as well.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
So that's why I kind of compared it to Hawk Eyed.
It's the Kate Bishop thing.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
No, it's more of than Miss Marvel thing.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I think Kate Bishop was all over that in Hawkey,
and she was the first example of it. Don't fucking
step on me like that.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
But Kate Bishop was doing her own things just happened
to have arrows. Miss Marvel was envying heroes, and I
think in this you see that were.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Released Hawk Guy again, I like it more than you.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Don't fucking talk to me about Hawkeye.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Hawk Guy's the best show we've ever seen. There we go,
I'm in front now.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
And I like the idea that now these people, this
is like Kate Bishop, are pursuing a career and heroing.
They want to do this because that's where this universe
is at now, and that's what we're breaking into so
each other.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No, this is like Kate Bishop.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
This show isn't ground baking breaking by any means in
terms of like how good it is. But through thirteen
shows now, thirty six movies, forty nine, maybe fifty maybe
fifty one entries into the MCU. I'm kind of surprised
that so many people aren't craving new characters stories like
we are in Star Wars. It's a weird dynamic that
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we're not craving it here, but we're craving it in
Star Wars. In this Shared Universe verse, we got a
little bit different of a story here, and we got
a good story. We get a story of downfall. We
get a story of someone that's promised to be a
hero and maybe never really becomes that hero, and maybe
is a little more selfish than we're used to seeing.
And I think that's pretty good. That's good storytelling. It's
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a little bit of a swerve than what you're expecting,
So I don't know why people wouldn't seek that more.
It's that much different that it's worth watching. But again,
not to mention the conclusion in this season, this finale
makes the season worth watching alone. The finale cameo is
the best pants tent we've gotten outside of Deadpool and
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Wolverine stuff, and outside of He Who Remains, and it
could be setting up some really fun stuff going forward.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And Mac only cares about the ends of movies or
TV shows, so that's why he only watches the final
minute of adult films.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I think I have this at thirty two Hot Dogs Goo,
I was going back between thirty one thirty two.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I think I want to get the thirty two in there.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
The B minus seventh or eighth in the MCU TV ranking,
so it's not like it's way up towards the top,
but it's in that muddied middle. Fits in with all
those shows like Miss Marvel, WandaVision, Loki season two, Born
Again in Agatha. I think it fits in very well
with that grouping, but it's not being talked about like
the rest of that grouping is.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So we get the spoilers, spilers, spilers, spilers. It is
this that stands befall me.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Gou has been wanting this character in the MCU for
four years, four.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
And a half years since we had WandaVision, and did
it fully meet my expectations. I don't know if it
has yet.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Well, just because let me stop you right there. We're
talking about Mephisto.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Obviously, Sasha Baron Cohen Asthma Fhisto, which was the fan casting,
which I love that he fucks.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Went down to Georgie. He's looking for the soul, the steam.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
The offisto stuff has gone, Oh my god, we're getting
Myfisto's COM's coming. And then because we got teased too much,
we like didn't even want it anymore. But oddly recently,
especially after Agatha and dealing with some of that stuff,
it's worked his way back.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
And then when we got it, I didn't know I
wanted it.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
As much as I wanted it because he's so good
on screen.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
He's very, very good, and like you said, it does
it echoes he who remains at the end of Loki,
whereas I think at the end of that show he
just had like a twenty minute monologue. It was very good.
But this is very good, and I do like I
like how they play with his voice. I like how
he dips in and out of an American voice, a British,
a spooky voice, if you will. At first, I was
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thrown by the editing because mid conversation it would cut
to a different view of him, and I'm like, that
doesn't make any sense. But then I realized that it was.
It was it was a trick to see how like
the person is seeing it, and they're being tricked by him.
But yes, I'm very happy that we have him, and
I think that this character can do a lot more
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in other television shows and movies moving forward, and.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I think we will see whether people are gonna like
it or not.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
We will see flashbacks to a couple characters that have
made deals with Mephisto in the past, and that might
explain why certain things have happened.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So Mephisto does mention, you know, King's presidents whatever, that
he helped out. But one that he mentioned is a
brute brawler? Is that what I picked up on that correctly? Right?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
It was something like that.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, So which avenger do we think it is?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's a good question. It's hard to say Captain America.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Because no, it wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It wouldn't be.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
But maybe that's involved in going back to Peggy. Maybe
he helps with the time trial.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You know, I just thought, here we go. Do you
think that Bruce Banner made a deal with him to
become Professor Hulk so he could finally marry the two.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It's possible, that's possible. I also think that at some
point per Spentner was just gonna stumble upon that. I
think we have to say more secondary characters a point,
because if they do it.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
To the bigger characters, people will be mad.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
If it's Roady again, I'm gonna fucking lose my mind.
He's already been a scroll and then they're like, oh,
he also made a deal with the devil.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I think it's gonna be more hawke gy black widow
level type, where it's the second level, maybe even tertiary characters.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
But there is a.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Character in there and there, and I'm sure someone on
the internet has drawn a good line as to why
it shit happened. But I'm interested to see how they
play that out. And I'm also interested to see Goo
going forward. First of all, they sort of tease that
maybe Re remakes a deal with Mephisto, because at the
end of this we see Natalie come back in her
physical form.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
He physically brought someone back to life.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I'm not one hundred percent sold that she shakes his hand.
I don't know how else she would have come back.
But you do have Zelma also working with Hood in
the post credit, so there is more magic of foot here,
and she is a problem solver. I think that's more
likely than not, but I'm not one hundred percent sould
that she actually did make a deal with Mephisto. But
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if she did, I'm okay with that too, because it's
speaking to her selfishness and she's not that good of
a hero.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Okay, so two things. Number One in the entire show,
her go to line was I do it because I can.
So maybe she does find a way to mix magic
and technology to bring her friend back. Maybe I think
it's a possibility, But I feel like she would be
someone because she almost seems like she has no soul anyways,
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because she's lost her father in law, she lost her friend,
so she's offering something that's not there.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, and I've seen.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Some discourse online talking about if she does make this deal,
that she didn't learn anything from what happened in this show.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
We don't need to learn lessons, though.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And I think people forget that. There's a lot of
people that don't learn lessons.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Man.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
They keep making stupid decisions and doubling down on shit.
And that's why I think is actually becoming a really
fascinating character for me, because she's fully in wildcard territory
at this point, so I'm interested to see what happens.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Going forward with her more so.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Gu Another character that people have wanted in the MCU
for a wild out is ghost Rider, who is an
agent of Mephisto. There's a little bit of a theory
online that cousin John the one that really lets die.
There's a chance that Parker uses some magic and brings
him back. Oh, I like my cousin John comes back
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because he makes a deal with Mephisto and becomes ghost Rider.
So there's a little bit of maybe a setup with
that as well. So I'm pretty intrigued by that.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I mean, they definitely need to find a way to
keep Anthony Ramos going in this universe. So maybe it's
him as ghost Rider.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah, people were talking about that too. I don't know
if he would want to make another deal with Mephisto though.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Right, maybe they flip it on its head and it's
him now going after Mephisto.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Also, speaking of Mephisto and that poison and red vein stuff,
I like.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
The way that looks. Think that's a pretty cool way.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
To show it aesthetically. It's a nice look. Yes, yeah, now, Mac,
I do know. Now, first off, there was a spoiler
two that we get the son of Obadiah Stain in this.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah, Joe McGillicutty is actually Obadiah's stain son, Ezekiel.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
So that annoyed me though, because that just okay, well yeah,
because it's just get back remember that character from that
movie twenty years ago. It's his son, it's a coworker,
it's a friend.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Zeke is a character and villain in the comics, and
I think it was a nice way of showing how
stuff in the MCU has affected people over the years,
which is why I also like I like the dynamic
between him and Reary, I guess, is what I'm saying.
Also that the deal that Parker makes with Mephisto in
the first place is he's like, he basically wants to be.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
A king, is what he he wants to be greasy rich.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yeah, it's a it's a pretty dumb deal, and basically
wants his father's company.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You one wish, what would you do.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I'd probably wish for a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I already made my wish that you'll wear a witch
hat on the show, so I wish I didn't waste that.
I have no soul now and you still have no hat.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Parker kind of waste his wish, but it is on
a cloak. Another really interesting development here. I did like
the cloak and the cloak technology and them studying it
and it dipping in. You know, it was a really
cool scene was Zelma with I think her mother, maybe
it was just the person that works at the shop
as well, flipping into that like other realm, and then
them figuring out my officiles evolved and they're like, oh,
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get the fuck out of here, don't don't get involved
in this. Another really interesting development here is so in
the comics, I believe's AI system is Tony Stark or
a version of Tony Stark, something like that, you know,
correct us on that we don't.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
We're not book boys.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
And this her AI becomes her dead friend Natalie, or
her memories of her den Fred Natalie what she manifests,
and it literally is a combination of AI and her memories.
And that is a really interesting development because that's not
quite magic. But we're teetering on a line where this
show muddies up technology and magic to a point that
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I'm really interested because I don't for better in this instant,
I don't fucking understand how anything is really happening or working.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
And I do like in this show where her brother
was like, that's like, get that out of here. But
then Rere's mom is like, can you make me one?
So like you did get both sides of it.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah, yeah, And we didn't speak about him much at all.
Xavier he's pretty good. He pops in here and there.
He's like a moral compass for Rere. I guess ri
Ri also lets cousin John die. And we also haven't
seen much of this from our MCU heroes. That was
an interesting one, and it's really just showing this path
and highlighting this path that Reewy's going down, making poor
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decision or questionable decision after decision, and that obviously culminates
maybe in the end with Mephisto. And in that post
credit good we get the hood Parker recruiting Zelma and
her magic, and we've seen she's self taught and kind
of knew this, but already pretty powerful. In the comics.
I think she's an apprentice of doctor Strain. She's involved
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in Strange Academy. I liked how she like works the
magic or that realm power into the final Ironheart suit.
I didn't love that Natalie just has to go away
because the magic's in the suit.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
That didn't really make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I would love the magic power, and she kind of
has it where you're able to turn regular eminems to
peanut eminems.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Well, she turns Zelma turns ketchup back into tomatoes cherry tomatoes.
See that little slight of hand.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Thing, right, But like I'm saying, if I had one
candy power, that's what it would be.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
One candy power would be turned regular eminems into peanut eminem's.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I just fucking said that.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
That's what I'm recapping what you said. That's what you said, Yes,
that you would waste your candy power on that.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
If I had one candy power, yes, what would you
do with your candy power?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I would have the ability to make candy bars cold
that tastes better cold immediately.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Okay, So then you just have like like freezing power.
That's not really a candy power. You're just iceman, You're
fucking Bobby Drake.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Pretty good decision on my part. Then what can you do?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I can freeze all this stuff and that can make
this candy bar really cold.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Also in this and then their investigation into Parker's Cloak
Cape Dermom who gets brought up. Kycilius is mentioned.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I like that part.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I like, and they're very aware of all this shit,
especially her with magic. They also that also was like
that was the fake out right, Like it's not gonna
be Mefisto, it is gonna be Dermamo or Kycilius, and
then we get Mephisto.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
So I liked getting knocked out of it.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I am curious though, so I think that maybe they
were holding off on Mephisto storytelling reasons. Possibly, but I
think in certain countries you can't show the devil, but
if you don't call him the devil and he doesn't
look like the devil, does that not count?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I think you're good in that respect. And we did
get that little shot.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Guess we got the little shot of him in the
spoon where he was sort of in his devil form.
I also know it's certainly with the Dark Hold and Wanda,
Mephisto could have been brought in at some point, But
now that we're like ramping back up in the MCU
and getting our newer heroes involved in shit, I kind
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of like him getting introduced here because the Dark Hold
and Wada are probably still at play. You have more
magic people on the rise, and after watching Agatha, we're
like fully operating in that world now. And I think
watching Agatha and Rio and Wanda's son, I now like
Mafisto being involved instead of instead of one or two
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magic people and Mephisto.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
It would be nice to see some kind of like
and don't even just pick one individual character, but call
it like dark magic or chaos magic or something like that.
And it it is Wanda, it's Billy, It's Agatha, Billy,
that's his name, It's any of the other witches that
might be around, it's Mefesto, it's death like have one
big spooky adventure.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I think we could be leading to something like that
for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I do like the aura slash like like the energy
he was. I liked what he was giving off. He
was great.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
He did it. He was he was everything and more
than we wanted him to be.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
It.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
It is one of the best fan casting successes ever.
He fucking crushed it.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Great success, great success. My sister number four. Whi uh wi,
my sister number four.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
You're having a tough time getting through this.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
He got it, he understood it.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
He was borat. Guys, do you have any more thoughts
on this show?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I think if you haven't watched it, then you sat
through this, you probably won't watch it now that you've
heard us talk about it. But if you, if you,
I still think it's worth watching. I think the build
up to the Mefisto stuff is truly great. For that
reason alone, it's worth watching.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I guess I would say that if you just want
the Mefisto stuff, if you just want the final episode.
By the way, the final fight between re Re and
the Cape wasn't very entertaining either, but.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
It wasn't great.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
True if you are looking like.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
A full vampire type of thing, I would yeah, there's
a little Morbius stuff going on here.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Can he got claws? But if you are looking just
to watch the Mefisto stuff, all you need to know
is that the and they showed this in the episode
the Hood makes a deal with Mephisto. Re Re is
dealing with the loss of her father in law, her
best friend, her stepfather, sorry stepfather. Did I say father
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in law earlier too?
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I don't know. I don't know if you said it
at all?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Fix it in post Yeah, So her stepfather, her friend,
the AI of her friend, her being kicked out of MIT.
Her life is kind of a mess.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
It's a lot of obstacles down in her life.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Invent help did not give her any money to make
a new suit. She kicked the nads of obadiahs Dane's son.
So that's what you're looking at when you're getting to
that final scene and why she might be desperate for help.
She needs a win, But I do so I think
that you should at least watch that final episode and
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use what I just gave you as your fly leaf.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I'm so sick.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
So what you just said, I think alone puts it
above She Hulk, Moonnight, Falcon Wach.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
You had to get through five episodes to get there, like, okay.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Those other shows were longer than six episodes.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
If you didn't tell me after the first three episodes,
hey there's something in this for you, and you got
me a little excited, and then at the end of
the six episodes you're like, you have to watch it.
I'm not going to tell you who's in it. I
knew who was in it at that point. If you
didn't tell me that, I might have tapped out of
this episode I might not have watched the show.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
I understand what you're saying, and that is an issue
with this show, the marketing of the show, and just
the character in general, because no one was stoked to
see Ironheart because there's no it's not a legacy character
and there's just no way around that.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
There's nothing I can do to say that.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
But you're also you're introducing a character that might be
huge after the next Avengers movies.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
And I also think because of now Rerey being full
wild card, she might play a really interesting fact that
it was a.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Group of wild cards. Everyone can't be a wild card.
You can't have two goos on a show.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I think there's a chance at the end of the
show it's flipped and Parker and Zelma are on the
right side and Rereads on the wrong side.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Let's get into Max Sack and Ma Sak. Could be anything.
It could be a boat and Mac. I think we
need to add something. A while ago we did a
podcast called things that need to be Retired in movie yep.
I forget the list. The other Billy d has it.
We need to go back and add some more stuff
to it. One that I think needs to be submitted.
(42:10):
And this has to do a lot with legacy sequels.
Sequels requels. This weekend, upcoming weekend, we are getting the
sequel to I Know What You Did Last Summer titled
I Know What You Did Last Summer? We should no
longer and this should be against the law. Have movies
(42:34):
that are titled the same thing.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
You gotta put a roman numerald, you gotta put a number.
You gotta put a new word at the very least.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Put it again at the end. I don't give a shit.
Again again, again, again it again, still again, How did
this happen? Again?
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
It's and you know, not for nothing, because people are
fucking dummies.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Coo.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
If you're a relatively new person getting into movies and films,
can you find three movies with the same name looking
at you, Halloween?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
It gets really confusing as to what to do.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I did understand why nineteen seventy eight and twenty oh
seven Halloween had the same name. One is a reboots,
So take the reboots out of what I just said.
Reboots should have the same name because you're starting a
new lineage of movies. If if the movies are in
the same sequel, series, franchise, lineage. You can't have them
be named the same thing.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, you just can't do it.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Also, and I'm looking at you, Jaws. If you're going Jaws,
Jaws two, Jaws three D, the fourth one, you need
a four in there. It can't just be the revenge.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, I guess that's true too. If you're gonna go numeric,
stick with the numerics.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
We might just need to do a full episode on
how to title movies.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
We need a new MACVKO. It's what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Also, so I was looking at the IMDb earlier four
I know what you did last summer. Can you guess
which one I was looking at?
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I'm gonna guess the new one.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
It's a new one twenty twenty five. That's a good guess,
one for one. The synopsis the plot of this movie.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Oh, I forgot to read a synopsis for the show.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
That doesn't matter. A group of friends are terrorized by
a stalker who knows about a gruesome incident from their past.
That's fucking copy and paste from nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Well it's maybe it's the same killer Goo. I don't
fucking know. We haven't watched the movie yet.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
I I may actually go to the theaters because Jennifer
love hewits involved.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
But other than like that, I'm I'm fifty to fifty
on it. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
It's getting ok reviews so far, not on like Scream
or Halloween levels. But I know what you did last
summer was never on that level anyways, so that doesn't
quite matter.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Goo Ironheart, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Teenage inventor Rugory Williams creates the most advanced suit of
armor since Iron Man.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
That's the synopsis. That's pretty bad synopsis.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
And after getting rejected by Shark Tank, she goes out for.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Revenge forgetting re rejected.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Mister Fantastic said, no, thank you. Mark Cuban said, I
like it, but I want twenty percent. Who else is
on there?
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Barbara what's her name?
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I used to love Shark Tank?
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Same, I have completely fallen off Shark Tank.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Ay Rod popped up in their first season two.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Right, Yeah, they won with a lot of Kevin Hart
was in a bunch of episodes. What the fuck is
Kevin Hark?
Speaker 3 (45:23):
I don't think Cuban's on there anymore. Barbara Corkor and
that was her name. What's the guy that made Fubu Damon.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
What's his name? Oh for you by you Damon? The
Fox is his name?
Speaker 3 (45:34):
And then the the guy, the Robert Hertshovik or something
like that, and then the home shopping network lady too
forget her name.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
I got scrub Daddy's in my house.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
I'd give her a hug.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Come give me a hug. Fifty fifty years old, turned fifty.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I guess that album came what three twenty two years ago?
Speaker 1 (45:55):
He should make a new album, you know what. He
should call it fifty at fifty.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Fifty cent makes an album fifty to fifty with fifty songs.
I will stop the podcast.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Fifty holy shit, and every song is fifty minutes launches.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
It's just like forty five skits and five songs on
the album.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
How do you fail about skits on albums?
Speaker 3 (46:20):
It hasn't worked since like two thousand and three. There
was it was a time and place when it worked.
It does not work anyone.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
No. Like that was big early on, especially showing off
the comedic chomps. You know it's great scrappers and mcs.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah, Nellyville. Nellyville has great skits.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
The Marshall Mathers LP memorable, not great.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Memorable is the word for it.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Doctor Dre used to always do them too.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
It was definitely a calling card of a couple rappers.
That's that is for sure, all right.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Where can the people find us?
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Teapub book dot com. I do want to give a
shout out to the people that have been commenting more
on the YouTube page. I love these comments. Earlier ten
Man four twenty, I guess he was smoking some doobies
or something.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
The approximate length of Ironheart then.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
And we were talking in the episode about because our
other fella, our other friend there who loves them three
and two point zero. I was talking about how much
I enjoy him, and then this felly here said, I agree.
The word needs to get out to movie lovers slash
Tim Robinson fans about the Mac and Goo podcast. It's
my exact style. I tell plenty of people about it,
(47:57):
but I guess not enough to gain traction. I used
to have like two hundred solid friends that i'd keep
mentioning Mac and Gutu, but then I acted a wild
man at a pool party, and now I barely talk
to any friends. But Matt Goo and I have a
great parasocial relationship, so it's all good.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
He turned it into a Tim Roads and so it's
pretty good. Here here's a question for the M three guy.
Do I need to watch the first M threegan to
watch two point zero?
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Hop in the comments down below and let us know, because.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
As I probably will watch two point zero, but I
doubt I'm gonna watch the first one.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
He's gonna comment, He's gonna let you know I have
faith in this. Actually, you know where he found us.
He said that he was driving through Massachusetts and he
hurt us on the radio.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Little Am Radio for the boys.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
He heard us on WBZ News Radio ten thirty.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
We got one, we got oh.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
I want to point this out. The station has been
on the air I think one hundred and two years now, wow,
And we have been actually, I think when this is released,
we have been on wbz's air waves for six years.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
How about that.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
That's uh, that's a good percentage of time.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Pretty good.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah, I still for the most part, forget that we're
on actual radio.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
So now when you look at the bio of the
station and the Radio Hall of Fame, we're a footnote.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
We're officially there because right part what's six oh? This is?
Speaker 3 (49:20):
I was gonna say, what's six of one oh two?
Probably just over five percent, somewhere around just under six percent.
We're on for thirty eight minutes a week. But we're there.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
We're there, We're there, got it. As long as the
people upstairs have forgotten that we're on there, we're going
to keep on being on there all right, Tuesdays or Guesdays.
I abuse kangaroos. It's yea Burton bye. Please flip the
(49:53):
cassette over to side B to continue the adventure. Now
it's time for girls jumping on tram Bapalin's
Mac, I just created this. It's called a would you rather?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh? All right, so explain this to me.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
I'm gonna say two different things, okay, two different scenarios.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Sure, sure you will.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Then tell me which scenario you prefer.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
All right.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I don't like to toss the hero word around a lot, right,
I'm not gonna do it here. Mac is a public servant,
civil servant. Shut the fuck out. If you were on
the street, walking down the street, stopping the yard, as
you would.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Say, that's what we call it in the biz.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Would you rather someone walk up to you and say,
hey man, you saved my life, or hey man, I
listen to your podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
So if I saved someone's life, I'd probably have a
pretty good idea of who they are, and so I
wouldn't be I don't know if i'd get a surprise
how you saved my life? But maybe maybe in twenty years,
who knows what. So says they're a fan of the podcast,
which I have had genuine encounters with. I enjoy it.
I welcome it. Someone says they saved I saved their life.
(01:01):
I might cry. So if you want to see me cry,
maybe maybe tell me that.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So you prefer I listen to your podcast over you
saved my life.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I'd have a lot more questions if you told me
I saved your life and I didn't know about it.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So yeah, maybe the podcast one.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
You're gonna ask me the same question. Yeah, what's up.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
When you are routinely stopping the yard? What would you
rather hear someone telling you that they listened to the
podcast or someone telling you that you saved their life?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Aren't they one and the same.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Part of me, most of me knows that you came
up with the would you rather just so you could answer.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
That I came up at the end before the question.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Step one you say you need it's uh.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
No snow patrol today. One?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Go three, Yeah, just three, King of Queen mal Street.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And time and I'm Max and we are the Mac
and Goo program bringing you our fiftieth piece of content.
That's a lie. We have a lot more, but Marvel
has fifty.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
The MCU uh just crossed a threshold. They are now
in the fifties in terms of entries into the MCU.
Technically more if you would like to include what if
those two seasons three seasons?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I don't. I don't include them.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Your friendly Neighborhood spider Man is technically a venture into
the MCU, but it's sort of like to still a
DCU d c U DCEU term here. It's sort of
like an alse World's type of thing. And then Goo
thinks that x N ninety seven is in the mc No.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Now I have a question mark at the end that's
me asking a quest question like would you rather save
a life or get a podcast listener? Uh?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
The creators of x N ninety seven I specifically said
it is not a part of the MCU.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So this gup today we're.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Talking about Ironheart, the thirteenth MCU TV season, uh, and
the fiftieth over Oh, the forty ninth. I think it's
forty ninth. Sorry what thirty six?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Fuck you just ruined the whole first part of the podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's thirty six movies. Thirty six movies, so that's plus
thirteen is forty nine. So let's include what if in there?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
What one of the other ones that we said didn't matter?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
What if? We included what if?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So that we're fifty Yeah, fucking did it?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Thang?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, I will ask you this question, and I think
this is a good question when it comes to the
Marvel Television shows of did you find this to be
more enjoyable or more like homework?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
This was more enjoyable, and I totally I get so.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
So this being the thirteenth season of MCU television, it's
a lot of seasons.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Of telephones, a lot of seasons of television.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And I think this is firmly in the enjoyable not homework.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I think there's three homework seasons outside of the eightish
or show show seasons of television that I've enjoyed to
a certain degree, and then I think there's two, one
really bad one in one kind of bad one. So
call those homework shows if you want. But I would
say eight of our thirteen seasons of television have been
(04:31):
worth watching, relevant, leading to stuff, and enjoyable.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
This included if I had one of those charts where
you have five big circles and there's like the little
in between in the middle, like a butt. Yep, I
would have ironheart right in the center of the butt.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Okay, fair enough, And there's not an even spread there though,
in those circles right for.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Four try and figure this less. Is it called the
vent diagram? Yes it is, Okay, It's a Van diagram.
Let's not get too crude, too crassier, Mac.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
The way you're sort of putting that and not ve
VN diagrams don't necessarily have the same size circles, but
the circle of homework is surely smaller than the jest.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, So, as someone who does still enjoy the MCU
enjoy Marvel, there are some shows that are more homework
than they are enjoyable. I do think that there are
enjoyable parts of this show, but it almost at points
felt like a placeholder just to get us to the
end of the season.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
See.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I don't agree with that, because I think this show
stands on its own really well. But what I think
you're speaking to a bit is the hype around certain
characters and the relevancy of certain characters, And there is
something to be said about that. And part of the
reason why the hype around this show and the build
up to this show was so minimal is because this
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is also a new character in the comics. Reary Williams
didn't exist in Marvel comics until a decade ago, shouldn't
become Heart until a year after that, So there's not
this long standing history of you and I and other
MCU viewers waiting for the debut of Reey Williams, waiting
for iron Heart and growing up with this character.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Those viewers don't exist.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Also, about two months before the premiere of this show,
Disney yelled news dump and said we're gonna put all
six episodes out on two days. And then when it
was released, I did not see a ton of buzz
around it, or news around it, or even like Disney
promoting it.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, that's an issue.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Promotion is an issue here in terms of release schedule,
I preferred it this way. So what we ended up doing.
This debuted on Disney Plus on June twenty fourth. We
got the first this is a six episode season. We
got the first three on June twenty fourth, the final
three the next Tuesday or Wednesday a week later. And
I really enjoy that because it's a it's a half binge,
half build up.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I almost would ever preferred maybe like a two to
two two.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I like a small build but I like being able
to watch multiple episodes when I have a chance.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
You especially more so than I.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
You know, you're living this life, you got a family,
You'll have a finite amount of time to watch episodes,
so if that's once every two weeks, it kills you.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
When it's a weekly released.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I would have preferred if we instead got let's say,
thirty six fifteen minute episodes, and it's released out over.
Don't check forty weeks.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Goo's math on that.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Don't check my math. Also, I need like a week
off every once in a while.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Hugh Ironheart, Like I said, Disney Plus TV fourteen action adventure, drama,
fantasy and sci fi of course subgenre of superhero nonsense.
I might say at this point, six episodes totally three
hundred and two minutes. If you remove credits and whatnot,
it's about two hundred and sixty ish minutes of content.
And that works out to four hours and twenty minutes
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of content.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So what the nice taken the.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Reefer watching ironheard, I was sitting there and smoking a
marijuana like a cigarette and saying, let's fly to the stars.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Re re. So what I like.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
About the six episode thing and maybe an eight episode
thing is there's too much here to squeeze into a movie,
but not enough to give you like this dramatic ten nine,
ten eleven, twelve episode Season six worked out pretty well
for this, and I felt like episode to episode, it
was pretty consistent. It never got super high highs. But
(08:31):
I also feel like there weren't low lows either, and
that what I think. And I have actually spoken to
a couple of people because I mentioned I implored you
to watch the show for the last three weeks. I
did get a couple of listening every that have reached
out and then said, hey, I actually really enjoyed it.
Thank you for letting me know, because no one's talking
about it.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I enjoyed it. I don't know if I can say
really enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
That's I'm not gonna blame someone they really enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You didn't. You didn't re re enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I just said that.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You didn't say it like isaid.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I kinda did. I did it more like Jim Carrey though.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You speaking of enjoyment levels, we have numbers for that
here on Rotten Tomatoes. Roddy T's seventy seventy seven percent
from the critics, forty eight percent from the audience. So
the audience, more than half of you said thumbs down,
didn't enjoy this. As far as audience scores go, that
places eleventh of.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
The thirteen seasons.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It didn't count.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
So to give that some context, nine of the previous
twelve seasons of MCU television, from the audience eighty to
ninety percent, there's only three that fell below eighty. Those
were Echo, Secret Invasion and she Hulk. This is definitively
better than those three. So it has more in common
(09:50):
with the good MCO shows than the bat and it's
it doesn't even like that. That's a stark difference between
the scores. Let's talk about ark.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I will say I did get a feel of it.
Kind of felt like Hawkeye.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Oh, Hawkeye was phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
No I said it field like It's not field. It
felt like hawkeye.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Okay, so you're saying that as a positive.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yes, all right, Okay, Good Max always is attacking me.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
The way you said it sound positive?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Guys, chime in on the comment section. Let us know,
does Goose sound positive when being positive?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
On Metacritic gu a fifty seven, which is the worst
out of the thirteen seasons of television.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And that's that's confusing for me.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
No, I think in spoilers we can talk about.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
It, all right, We'll get to that. The previous remind.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Me though, because I'm not gonna remember that in twelve minutes.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Sure, it's a much closer spread. On Metacritic, there's a
top four that are all in the seventies, and then
everything else is in the sixties, ranging from sixty to
Echo up to sixty nine, Moon Night and Daredevil, Daredevil
Born Again. This is critics are saying, everyone's saying that great,
and I don't really agree because it is contextual.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You have to weigh.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Against past Marvel stuff, and it is definitively better than
at least four, if not five, of the MCU seasons
we've gotten. So I'm like annoyed by this whole situation.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Do you think it's because people are back on the
upswing of Marvel and they're like, I like what they
did with Reborn, I like what they did with Thunderbolts,
and then this feels too much like that Phase four
Phase five stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, this is phase five, and I don't know, just
shut up speaking of that. This concludes Phase five. Good.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I was trying to lead you into that.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Fantastic four kicks off phase six. This show's created by
Chanaka Hodge. They were a writer on snow Piercer, the
television series, and that has done okay, of course more
importantly here, the extra executive producer is Ryan Kugler. The
two directors we had in this series, or Samantha Bailey
and Angela Barnes, each did three episodes. This show stars
(11:58):
Dominique Thorn as Rary william She essentially got this role
because she distant for Shury in Black Panther, and they
loved her so much they wanted to bring her back
for this and basically handed her the role. Anthony Ramos
as Parker Robbins aka The Hood, Lyrics Ross as Natalie,
Matthew Elam as Xavier, Natalie's brother, Angie White as Ronnie
(12:19):
Williams that's Rary's mother, and Alden ahren Reich as Joe McGillicuddy.
We also have a little cast of clowns here, including
a clown Eric Andres in this as Rampage for.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Really eric Andre.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, I didn't really do Eric Andre things.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I needed him to also be more like eric Andre.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, we needed a little more of that, I agree.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Sonya Dennis or Denias clown, Jaron Merrill as slug Zoe
Taro Keys as Jerry Shakira Barrera that's fun to say
as Ra's Manny Montana as cousin John Reagan and Leah
as Zelma, Chris Summer as Madeline, and Jim Rashku pops
up here in the first episode as Professor Wils.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I was also expecting so much more Jim Rash. This
is in the first episode, Like Jim Rash is gonna
be in the show, and I don't know Jim Rash.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
There's also and this show has been out for nearly
a month now, there is a major spoiler cameo casting
note that we'll get to in the spoilers, and believe
you me, I was giddy when I saw it.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
We'll get to that in a few minutes. Good.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Like I mentioned, Rary Williams is a new character in
Marvel Comics. She debuted in May of twenty sixteen in
the Invincible Ironman series. She became Ironheart a year later,
eventually got her own comic series in twenty eighteen. So
she didn't even have her own comic series until a
year before Infinity War or the year of Infinity War.
(13:39):
So that really speaks to the hype and or the
lack of hype and the lack of interest in this show.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I just don't think people know iron Hart.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And Ruby Williams and just assume it's a straight Iron
Man ripoff, and I don't blame them for that, but
it's it's a little annoying.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
But also when watching the show, I do, I felt
like every comp was really clunky, especially when it was
Rear talking to anyone outside of her Ai friend or
what's his name there? I do like the main actor
playing Anthony Ramos Ramos, every other conversation felt like so weirdly,
(14:20):
like it was just very hipster instilted, and everyone's reaction
to what re Rey was saying. I don't know, there
was something off with the dialogue.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, but it also speaks to these characters, and these
people were dealing with We're talking like seventeen eighteen, nineteen,
twenty twenty one, twenty two year old dummies.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Goo. You and I were both in that range once
and we were fucking dummies.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
So we were all different. Though everyone in this show
is the same.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Well, they built a crew to work together, so they're
naturally good.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
When you're building a crew, you get a face, you
get a bod, you get a wild car. You don't
just get a bunch of wild cars're.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Working towards the same goal, so that makes sense to me.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I'd a little bit about Rear if you didn't see,
Uh what kind of ever she's introduced in that movie,
which is I think it's starting to get a little
underrated at this point.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
That movie's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
She's just incredibly gifted student mind in specifically math and science,
really good problem solver. She's a lot like Shurry, so
they sort of take to each other in that movie.
She just lacks the high tech and the money to
really work with.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
That kind of made me think of this show. So
she's having an issue with funding. She wants to build
her iron suit, which, by the way, the iron suit
in this looks way better than Wakanda Forever tossed that
out there right.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Now, especially the one we get in the finale. It
looks pretty sweet.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
But when you're having a difficult time funding, when you're
inventing stuff, why not go to invent Help?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
G of the twelve seasons in the MCU, I would
like tographone. I would like to talk to you about
the tears I have and you tell me whether these
are mostly accurate.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I've always felt and I did know re starts into
this Invent Help is a scam, just praying on the
people that want to invent stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I have Echo and a tier of its own at
the bottom. You can include Secret Invasion in it. I
think Secret Invasion is much better than Echo, but neither Hair.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
They are there.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Above those two, I have she Hulk, Moonnight and the
Falcon and Winter Soldier. All had certain degrees of enjoyability,
also had certain degrees of suckiness too. On the whole,
I like them more than I didn't. Then I have
like this middle tier, which is really just everything that's
not Loki Season one and Hawkey, Miss Marvel, WandaVision, Loki
(16:35):
Season two, Daredevil Born Again, Agatha all along, and I
think this fits in with that clump of shows. I
think it's mostly good, maybe lacks the high highs of
some of those, but doesn't have low lows either. And
then at the top is Loki Season one, which I
still think is definitively head and shoulders above everything else.
But then I think Hawkey is head and shoulders above
everything else we just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So what I would do in your tiering here is
I would flip on Division and Hawkeye, and then in
that middle club I would also put Daredevil Born Again
up there. Just below wand division and I would have
that middle clumpy there. I think She Hulk is like
sniffing up the backside of that one, just a bit outside.
(17:17):
And then I would put Secret Invasion at the bottom
with Echo.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
But we agree on like eighty percent of it, right,
I think that's a pretty fair ranking or tier.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Our Vendia Gram. We have a lot in the middle.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Good before we get to the nanagon here. I also
just want to say I really enjoyed the show's creativity
when introducing the Ironheart title card, and I got a
little kick out of that every episode as well.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Max, shall we get to the non spoiler nonagon, Yeah,
let's do it fun factor. There are bits and pieces,
but nothing is really standing out to me outside of
the last half an hour of the finale.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I think, and this is why I enjoyed Agatha all along.
I like the I like witchcraft and magic in the
way in which the MCU is using it. It's kind
of cheeky, it's fun. You know, they're not pulling any punches,
Like I enjoy the use of magic in this season
of television.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Maybe a little less than.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
An Agatha, but I think it's kind of similar the
way it gets used.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I guess if I could make one wish on this podcast,
it would be that you start wearing a witch hat
every episode, not just the Marvel stuff. Okay, Satisfactor, that
might be the best thing about the show, and I
think Marvel knew that, and Marvel knew that they had
to put something in here to grab some eyes. But
(18:42):
Satisfactor is what they did best.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
The finale here and the surprise cameo and scene extended
scene here is one of the two or three best
things they've done since Endgame now, including that I think
is the end of Loki season one. The He Who
Remained stuff, that introduction, that scene is phenomenal. I think
you also got a lot of.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Fun and dead pull and Wolverine.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
The Spidey stuff was cool too. I expected telecacid yeah,
but the highs of Thunderbolts do not match the excitement level,
at least for me in the finale of this and
it was, like you said, we were talking briefly before
we started recording. There is echoes of He Who Remains
and what happens in this finale. I enjoyed the fuck
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out of this final episode. It's I think the show
is worth watching prior to that anyways. But I think
if you're an MCU fan, and you've been an MCU
fan for a while, you gotta watch this season.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Of television borometer. And usually while I am watching increments
of a television show, when I'm done doing my task
where I'm allowed to watch said show, I'll be like, oh,
I want to watch more of this. I was very
easily able to put the bookmark in and say, all right,
I'll come back to this later.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Now, for me, after the end of the first three episodes,
I was really looking forward to the final three and
I liked that drop once again.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I thought the pacing was good, and.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
They built up your heroes and your villains in this
show pretty good, though it turns out they might all
be villains.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Oh Halloween, your excitement is making me too excited, even
though I know what happens in the show.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well, because of what happens to the finale.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I don't like your influence on me.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
It is opening up possibilities in the future, and so
then we might come back to this show at least
to that episode. And so I have a hard time
feeling like the show's going to go down because we
are inevitably going to come back to it.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
What is next? Awquater Worlds? I would go aqua otter
what I would go water World over this?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I liked this more than both Aquaman and water World.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Pants, Tent City, Excite, bike Mania. Yes, there is something
that got me going, and I don't want to say it.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yep, we'll talk about it in approximately five minutes.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
When life gives you lemons, you say, Jesse Plemmons, you
did it again, Mac who made plemonade on this show?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Clearly the thing we can't talk about was a massive
glass of plemonade. I also thought Aldan Aeron Reiic was
spotted pretty well in this.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
He's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I really liked re Rey's mom as well. I really
enjoyed the scenes between her and her mother. I thought
she was great, so I'll give it to her.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
So.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I think she's in it less probably than Alden Aaron Reich,
so let me give give her her proper credit.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I didn't love Rey's mom in this.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Angie White, Ronnie Williams.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I thought that she was one of the people that
had I don't know, very stale responses to Reray.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I don't agree.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I thought she was pretty steadfast and consistent with her message,
and I thought she's probably the best person in the
season the television, one of the few good folks.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
You want to give her credit to.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Max Credit Unit Gou.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
It's gonna go to Marvel Studios, the FCU, the people
who had the balls to side off on finally doing it.
And now I'll talk about that cameo that we're going
to talk about again in a few minutes.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
For those of you tarty to the Mac and Goop party,
we rate everything on a forty hot dog rating system,
and Yaks Mac, that cameo does save the show for me.
Overall the five episodes leading up to the finale, there
are a couple pretty good scenes, and I do believe
that it looks really good for a Marvel television show
that is using an Iron Man outfit. I like the
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setup of episode one and how she has to go
back to Chicago. I I thought a lot of the
stuff with the gang that she joins, I just I
don't love the dialogue going back and forth, and even
as yes, we are trying to do it in this quick,
heisty type of way, I just thought it was so
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stale and the way that they were going about it.
But we do get a good look into re Re
and how maybe she isn't all cracked up or out.
She isn't all as she's cracked up to be, and
she doesn't have the same type of soul that some
of these other heroes have when it comes to needing
to save people. And it really is sense losing certain
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people in her lives, which I do think it does
deal with PTSD very well, and how she's not able
to go certain places, how she's not able to accept
certain people. I do like that. I'm looking at twenty
eight hot dogs. I don't like that score seven out
of ten.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yeah, that's yeah, So you gave it a C C plus.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I don't know, fine, whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
This show to men talk to me like that consistently
between solid and good. It never really got great outside
of that cameo finale, and never really got under solid.
I thought it was just the heartbeat was good, and
once again I recognized it's hard to get people to
care about such a new character, no established history. But
what I do really like we kind of touched upon
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a little bit. I really like the idea now that
these kids that are growing up in this mcu in
this world, in this universe, are envying these envying these heroes.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
And we got some of that in Miss Marvel as well.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
So that's why I kind of compared it to Hawk Eyed.
It's the Kate Bishop thing.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
No, it's more of than Miss Marvel thing.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I think Kate Bishop was all over that in Hawkey,
and she was the first example of it. Don't fucking
step on me like that.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
But Kate Bishop was doing her own things just happened
to have arrows. Miss Marvel was envying heroes, and I
think in this you see that were.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Released Hawk Guy again, I like it more than you.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Don't fucking talk to me about Hawkeye.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Hawk Guy's the best show we've ever seen. There we go,
I'm in front now.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
And I like the idea that now these people, this
is like Kate Bishop, are pursuing a career and heroing.
They want to do this because that's where this universe
is at now, and that's what we're breaking into so
each other.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No, this is like Kate Bishop.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
This show isn't ground baking breaking by any means in
terms of like how good it is. But through thirteen
shows now, thirty six movies, forty nine, maybe fifty maybe
fifty one entries into the MCU. I'm kind of surprised
that so many people aren't craving new characters stories like
we are in Star Wars. It's a weird dynamic that
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we're not craving it here, but we're craving it in
Star Wars. In this Shared Universe verse, we got a
little bit different of a story here, and we got
a good story. We get a story of downfall. We
get a story of someone that's promised to be a
hero and maybe never really becomes that hero, and maybe
is a little more selfish than we're used to seeing.
And I think that's pretty good. That's good storytelling. It's
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a little bit of a swerve than what you're expecting,
So I don't know why people wouldn't seek that more.
It's that much different that it's worth watching. But again,
not to mention the conclusion in this season, this finale
makes the season worth watching alone. The finale cameo is
the best pants tent we've gotten outside of Deadpool and
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Wolverine stuff, and outside of He Who Remains, and it
could be setting up some really fun stuff going forward.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
And Mac only cares about the ends of movies or
TV shows, so that's why he only watches the final
minute of adult films.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I think I have this at thirty two Hot Dogs Goo,
I was going back between thirty one thirty two.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I think I want to get the thirty two in there.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
The B minus seventh or eighth in the MCU TV ranking,
so it's not like it's way up towards the top,
but it's in that muddied middle. Fits in with all
those shows like Miss Marvel, WandaVision, Loki season two, Born
Again in Agatha. I think it fits in very well
with that grouping, but it's not being talked about like
the rest of that grouping is.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So we get the spoilers, spilers, spilers, spilers. It is
this that stands befall me.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Gou has been wanting this character in the MCU for
four years, four.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
And a half years since we had WandaVision, and did
it fully meet my expectations. I don't know if it
has yet.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Well, just because let me stop you right there. We're
talking about Mephisto.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Obviously, Sasha Baron Cohen Asthma Fhisto, which was the fan casting,
which I love that he fucks.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Went down to Georgie. He's looking for the soul, the steam.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
The offisto stuff has gone, Oh my god, we're getting
Myfisto's COM's coming. And then because we got teased too much,
we like didn't even want it anymore. But oddly recently,
especially after Agatha and dealing with some of that stuff,
it's worked his way back.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
And then when we got it, I didn't know I
wanted it.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
As much as I wanted it because he's so good
on screen.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
He's very, very good, and like you said, it does
it echoes he who remains at the end of Loki,
whereas I think at the end of that show he
just had like a twenty minute monologue. It was very good.
But this is very good, and I do like I
like how they play with his voice. I like how
he dips in and out of an American voice, a British,
a spooky voice, if you will. At first, I was
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thrown by the editing because mid conversation it would cut
to a different view of him, and I'm like, that
doesn't make any sense. But then I realized that it was.
It was it was a trick to see how like
the person is seeing it, and they're being tricked by him.
But yes, I'm very happy that we have him, and
I think that this character can do a lot more
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in other television shows and movies moving forward, and.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I think we will see whether people are gonna like
it or not.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
We will see flashbacks to a couple characters that have
made deals with Mephisto in the past, and that might
explain why certain things have happened.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So Mephisto does mention, you know, King's presidents whatever, that
he helped out. But one that he mentioned is a
brute brawler? Is that what I picked up on that correctly? Right?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
It was something like that.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, So which avenger do we think it is?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's a good question. It's hard to say Captain America.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Because no, it wouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It wouldn't be.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
But maybe that's involved in going back to Peggy. Maybe
he helps with the time trial.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
You know, I just thought, here we go. Do you
think that Bruce Banner made a deal with him to
become Professor Hulk so he could finally marry the two.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It's possible, that's possible. I also think that at some
point per Spentner was just gonna stumble upon that. I
think we have to say more secondary characters a point,
because if they do it.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
To the bigger characters, people will be mad.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
If it's Roady again, I'm gonna fucking lose my mind.
He's already been a scroll and then they're like, oh,
he also made a deal with the devil.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I think it's gonna be more hawke gy black widow
level type, where it's the second level, maybe even tertiary characters.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
But there is a.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Character in there and there, and I'm sure someone on
the internet has drawn a good line as to why
it shit happened. But I'm interested to see how they
play that out. And I'm also interested to see Goo
going forward. First of all, they sort of tease that
maybe Re remakes a deal with Mephisto, because at the
end of this we see Natalie come back in her
physical form.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
He physically brought someone back to life.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I'm not one hundred percent sold that she shakes his hand.
I don't know how else she would have come back.
But you do have Zelma also working with Hood in
the post credit, so there is more magic of foot here,
and she is a problem solver. I think that's more
likely than not, but I'm not one hundred percent sould
that she actually did make a deal with Mephisto. But
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if she did, I'm okay with that too, because it's
speaking to her selfishness and she's not that good of
a hero.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Okay, so two things. Number One in the entire show,
her go to line was I do it because I can.
So maybe she does find a way to mix magic
and technology to bring her friend back. Maybe I think
it's a possibility, But I feel like she would be
someone because she almost seems like she has no soul anyways,
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because she's lost her father in law, she lost her friend,
so she's offering something that's not there.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, and I've seen.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Some discourse online talking about if she does make this deal,
that she didn't learn anything from what happened in this show.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
We don't need to learn lessons, though.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And I think people forget that. There's a lot of
people that don't learn lessons.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Man.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
They keep making stupid decisions and doubling down on shit.
And that's why I think is actually becoming a really
fascinating character for me, because she's fully in wildcard territory
at this point, so I'm interested to see what happens.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Going forward with her more so.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Gu Another character that people have wanted in the MCU
for a wild out is ghost Rider, who is an
agent of Mephisto. There's a little bit of a theory
online that cousin John the one that really lets die.
There's a chance that Parker uses some magic and brings
him back. Oh, I like my cousin John comes back
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because he makes a deal with Mephisto and becomes ghost Rider.
So there's a little bit of maybe a setup with
that as well. So I'm pretty intrigued by that.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I mean, they definitely need to find a way to
keep Anthony Ramos going in this universe. So maybe it's
him as ghost Rider.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah, people were talking about that too. I don't know
if he would want to make another deal with Mephisto though.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Right, maybe they flip it on its head and it's
him now going after Mephisto.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Also, speaking of Mephisto and that poison and red vein stuff,
I like.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
The way that looks. Think that's a pretty cool way.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
To show it aesthetically. It's a nice look. Yes, yeah, now, Mac,
I do know. Now, first off, there was a spoiler
two that we get the son of Obadiah Stain in this.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah, Joe McGillicutty is actually Obadiah's stain son, Ezekiel.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
So that annoyed me though, because that just okay, well yeah,
because it's just get back remember that character from that
movie twenty years ago. It's his son, it's a coworker,
it's a friend.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Zeke is a character and villain in the comics, and
I think it was a nice way of showing how
stuff in the MCU has affected people over the years,
which is why I also like I like the dynamic
between him and Reary, I guess, is what I'm saying.
Also that the deal that Parker makes with Mephisto in
the first place is he's like, he basically wants to be.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
A king, is what he he wants to be greasy rich.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yeah, it's a it's a pretty dumb deal, and basically
wants his father's company.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You one wish, what would you do.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I'd probably wish for a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I already made my wish that you'll wear a witch
hat on the show, so I wish I didn't waste that.
I have no soul now and you still have no hat.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Parker kind of waste his wish, but it is on
a cloak. Another really interesting development here. I did like
the cloak and the cloak technology and them studying it
and it dipping in. You know, it was a really
cool scene was Zelma with I think her mother, maybe
it was just the person that works at the shop
as well, flipping into that like other realm, and then
them figuring out my officiles evolved and they're like, oh,
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get the fuck out of here, don't don't get involved
in this. Another really interesting development here is so in
the comics, I believe's AI system is Tony Stark or
a version of Tony Stark, something like that, you know,
correct us on that we don't.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
We're not book boys.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
And this her AI becomes her dead friend Natalie, or
her memories of her den Fred Natalie what she manifests,
and it literally is a combination of AI and her memories.
And that is a really interesting development because that's not
quite magic. But we're teetering on a line where this
show muddies up technology and magic to a point that
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I'm really interested because I don't for better in this instant,
I don't fucking understand how anything is really happening or working.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
And I do like in this show where her brother
was like, that's like, get that out of here. But
then Rere's mom is like, can you make me one?
So like you did get both sides of it.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah, yeah, And we didn't speak about him much at all.
Xavier he's pretty good. He pops in here and there.
He's like a moral compass for Rere. I guess ri
Ri also lets cousin John die. And we also haven't
seen much of this from our MCU heroes. That was
an interesting one, and it's really just showing this path
and highlighting this path that Reewy's going down, making poor
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decision or questionable decision after decision, and that obviously culminates
maybe in the end with Mephisto. And in that post
credit good we get the hood Parker recruiting Zelma and
her magic, and we've seen she's self taught and kind
of knew this, but already pretty powerful. In the comics.
I think she's an apprentice of doctor Strain. She's involved
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in Strange Academy. I liked how she like works the
magic or that realm power into the final Ironheart suit.
I didn't love that Natalie just has to go away
because the magic's in the suit.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
That didn't really make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I would love the magic power, and she kind of
has it where you're able to turn regular eminems to
peanut eminems.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Well, she turns Zelma turns ketchup back into tomatoes cherry tomatoes.
See that little slight of hand.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Thing, right, But like I'm saying, if I had one
candy power, that's what it would be.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
One candy power would be turned regular eminems into peanut eminem's.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I just fucking said that.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
That's what I'm recapping what you said. That's what you said, Yes,
that you would waste your candy power on that.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
If I had one candy power, yes, what would you
do with your candy power?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I would have the ability to make candy bars cold
that tastes better cold immediately.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Okay, So then you just have like like freezing power.
That's not really a candy power. You're just iceman, You're
fucking Bobby Drake.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Pretty good decision on my part. Then what can you do?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I can freeze all this stuff and that can make
this candy bar really cold.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Also in this and then their investigation into Parker's Cloak
Cape Dermom who gets brought up. Kycilius is mentioned.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I like that part.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I like, and they're very aware of all this shit,
especially her with magic. They also that also was like
that was the fake out right, Like it's not gonna
be Mefisto, it is gonna be Dermamo or Kycilius, and
then we get Mephisto.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
So I liked getting knocked out of it.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I am curious though, so I think that maybe they
were holding off on Mephisto storytelling reasons. Possibly, but I
think in certain countries you can't show the devil, but
if you don't call him the devil and he doesn't
look like the devil, does that not count?
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I think you're good in that respect. And we did
get that little shot.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Guess we got the little shot of him in the
spoon where he was sort of in his devil form.
I also know it's certainly with the Dark Hold and Wanda,
Mephisto could have been brought in at some point, But
now that we're like ramping back up in the MCU
and getting our newer heroes involved in shit, I kind
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of like him getting introduced here because the Dark Hold
and Wada are probably still at play. You have more
magic people on the rise, and after watching Agatha, we're
like fully operating in that world now. And I think
watching Agatha and Rio and Wanda's son, I now like
Mafisto being involved instead of instead of one or two
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magic people and Mephisto.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
It would be nice to see some kind of like
and don't even just pick one individual character, but call
it like dark magic or chaos magic or something like that.
And it it is Wanda, it's Billy, It's Agatha, Billy,
that's his name, It's any of the other witches that
might be around, it's Mefesto, it's death like have one
big spooky adventure.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
I think we could be leading to something like that
for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I do like the aura slash like like the energy
he was. I liked what he was giving off. He
was great.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
He did it. He was he was everything and more
than we wanted him to be.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
It.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
It is one of the best fan casting successes ever.
He fucking crushed it.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Great success, great success. My sister number four. Whi uh wi,
my sister number four.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
You're having a tough time getting through this.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
He got it, he understood it.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
He was borat. Guys, do you have any more thoughts
on this show?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I think if you haven't watched it, then you sat
through this, you probably won't watch it now that you've
heard us talk about it. But if you, if you,
I still think it's worth watching. I think the build
up to the Mefisto stuff is truly great. For that
reason alone, it's worth watching.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I guess I would say that if you just want
the Mefisto stuff, if you just want the final episode.
By the way, the final fight between re Re and
the Cape wasn't very entertaining either, but.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
It wasn't great.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
True if you are looking like.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
A full vampire type of thing, I would yeah, there's
a little Morbius stuff going on here.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Can he got claws? But if you are looking just
to watch the Mefisto stuff, all you need to know
is that the and they showed this in the episode
the Hood makes a deal with Mephisto. Re Re is
dealing with the loss of her father in law, her
best friend, her stepfather, sorry stepfather. Did I say father
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in law earlier too?
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I don't know. I don't know if you said it
at all?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Fix it in post Yeah, So her stepfather, her friend,
the AI of her friend, her being kicked out of MIT.
Her life is kind of a mess.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
It's a lot of obstacles down in her life.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Invent help did not give her any money to make
a new suit. She kicked the nads of obadiahs Dane's son.
So that's what you're looking at when you're getting to
that final scene and why she might be desperate for help.
She needs a win, But I do so I think
that you should at least watch that final episode and
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use what I just gave you as your fly leaf.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I'm so sick.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
So what you just said, I think alone puts it
above She Hulk, Moonnight, Falcon Wach.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
You had to get through five episodes to get there, like, okay.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Those other shows were longer than six episodes.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
If you didn't tell me after the first three episodes,
hey there's something in this for you, and you got
me a little excited, and then at the end of
the six episodes you're like, you have to watch it.
I'm not going to tell you who's in it. I
knew who was in it at that point. If you
didn't tell me that, I might have tapped out of
this episode I might not have watched the show.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
I understand what you're saying, and that is an issue
with this show, the marketing of the show, and just
the character in general, because no one was stoked to
see Ironheart because there's no it's not a legacy character
and there's just no way around that.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
There's nothing I can do to say that.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
But you're also you're introducing a character that might be
huge after the next Avengers movies.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
And I also think because of now Rerey being full
wild card, she might play a really interesting fact that
it was a.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Group of wild cards. Everyone can't be a wild card.
You can't have two goos on a show.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I think there's a chance at the end of the
show it's flipped and Parker and Zelma are on the
right side and Rereads on the wrong side.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Let's get into Max Sack and Ma Sak. Could be anything.
It could be a boat and Mac. I think we
need to add something. A while ago we did a
podcast called things that need to be Retired in movie yep.
I forget the list. The other Billy d has it.
We need to go back and add some more stuff
to it. One that I think needs to be submitted.
(42:10):
And this has to do a lot with legacy sequels.
Sequels requels. This weekend, upcoming weekend, we are getting the
sequel to I Know What You Did Last Summer titled
I Know What You Did Last Summer? We should no
longer and this should be against the law. Have movies
(42:34):
that are titled the same thing.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
You gotta put a roman numerald, you gotta put a number.
You gotta put a new word at the very least.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Put it again at the end. I don't give a shit.
Again again, again, again it again, still again, How did
this happen? Again?
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
It's and you know, not for nothing, because people are
fucking dummies.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Coo.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
If you're a relatively new person getting into movies and films,
can you find three movies with the same name looking
at you, Halloween?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
It gets really confusing as to what to do.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I did understand why nineteen seventy eight and twenty oh
seven Halloween had the same name. One is a reboots,
So take the reboots out of what I just said.
Reboots should have the same name because you're starting a
new lineage of movies. If if the movies are in
the same sequel, series, franchise, lineage. You can't have them
be named the same thing.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, you just can't do it.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Also, and I'm looking at you, Jaws. If you're going Jaws,
Jaws two, Jaws three D, the fourth one, you need
a four in there. It can't just be the revenge.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, I guess that's true too. If you're gonna go numeric,
stick with the numerics.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
We might just need to do a full episode on
how to title movies.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
We need a new MACVKO. It's what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Also, so I was looking at the IMDb earlier four
I know what you did last summer. Can you guess
which one I was looking at?
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I'm gonna guess the new one.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
It's a new one twenty twenty five. That's a good guess,
one for one. The synopsis the plot of this movie.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Oh, I forgot to read a synopsis for the show.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
That doesn't matter. A group of friends are terrorized by
a stalker who knows about a gruesome incident from their past.
That's fucking copy and paste from nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Well it's maybe it's the same killer Goo. I don't
fucking know. We haven't watched the movie yet.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
I I may actually go to the theaters because Jennifer
love hewits involved.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
But other than like that, I'm I'm fifty to fifty
on it. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
It's getting ok reviews so far, not on like Scream
or Halloween levels. But I know what you did last
summer was never on that level anyways, so that doesn't
quite matter.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Goo Ironheart, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Teenage inventor Rugory Williams creates the most advanced suit of
armor since Iron Man.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
That's the synopsis. That's pretty bad synopsis.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
And after getting rejected by Shark Tank, she goes out for.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Revenge forgetting re rejected.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Mister Fantastic said, no, thank you. Mark Cuban said, I
like it, but I want twenty percent. Who else is
on there?
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Barbara what's her name?
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I used to love Shark Tank?
Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Same, I have completely fallen off Shark Tank.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Ay Rod popped up in their first season two.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Right, Yeah, they won with a lot of Kevin Hart
was in a bunch of episodes. What the fuck is
Kevin Hark?
Speaker 3 (45:23):
I don't think Cuban's on there anymore. Barbara Corkor and
that was her name. What's the guy that made Fubu Damon.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
What's his name? Oh for you by you Damon? The
Fox is his name?
Speaker 3 (45:34):
And then the the guy, the Robert Hertshovik or something
like that, and then the home shopping network lady too
forget her name.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
I got scrub Daddy's in my house.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
I'd give her a hug.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Come give me a hug. Fifty fifty years old, turned fifty.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
I guess that album came what three twenty two years ago?
Speaker 1 (45:55):
He should make a new album, you know what. He
should call it fifty at fifty.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Fifty cent makes an album fifty to fifty with fifty songs.
I will stop the podcast.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Fifty holy shit, and every song is fifty minutes launches.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
It's just like forty five skits and five songs on
the album.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
How do you fail about skits on albums?
Speaker 3 (46:20):
It hasn't worked since like two thousand and three. There
was it was a time and place when it worked.
It does not work anyone.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
No. Like that was big early on, especially showing off
the comedic chomps. You know it's great scrappers and mcs.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah, Nellyville. Nellyville has great skits.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
The Marshall Mathers LP memorable, not great.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Memorable is the word for it.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Doctor Dre used to always do them too.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
It was definitely a calling card of a couple rappers.
That's that is for sure, all right.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Where can the people find us?
Speaker 3 (46:50):
You can find us on X and Instagram, at Mac
and Goo podcast every other platform. We are Mac ampersandgoots,
max Shift seven Goo That includes Facebook, sitrit Tune and castbucks,
preak of Google Play, iHeartRadio. We're on Spotify. More importantly,
we're on Apple Podcasts. Get on there, rate review, subscribe
five stars, get on that.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Do that.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
We'll find a Mac and Gooo t shirt from the
folks over at Watertown sports Where. That's Wattertown sports Worth
thirty four Mott Auburn Street in Watertown, watertownsports War dot
com expert screenprinting and embroidery.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Teapub book dot com. I do want to give a
shout out to the people that have been commenting more
on the YouTube page. I love these comments. Earlier ten
Man four twenty, I guess he was smoking some doobies
or something.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
The approximate length of Ironheart then.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
And we were talking in the episode about because our
other fella, our other friend there who loves them three
and two point zero. I was talking about how much
I enjoy him, and then this felly here said, I agree.
The word needs to get out to movie lovers slash
Tim Robinson fans about the Mac and Goo podcast. It's
my exact style. I tell plenty of people about it,
(47:57):
but I guess not enough to gain traction. I used
to have like two hundred solid friends that i'd keep
mentioning Mac and Gutu, but then I acted a wild
man at a pool party, and now I barely talk
to any friends. But Matt Goo and I have a
great parasocial relationship, so it's all good.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
He turned it into a Tim Roads and so it's
pretty good. Here here's a question for the M three guy.
Do I need to watch the first M threegan to
watch two point zero?
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Hop in the comments down below and let us know, because.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
As I probably will watch two point zero, but I
doubt I'm gonna watch the first one.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
He's gonna comment, He's gonna let you know I have
faith in this. Actually, you know where he found us.
He said that he was driving through Massachusetts and he
hurt us on the radio.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Little Am Radio for the boys.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
He heard us on WBZ News Radio ten thirty.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
We got one, we got oh.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
I want to point this out. The station has been
on the air I think one hundred and two years now, wow,
And we have been actually, I think when this is released,
we have been on wbz's air waves for six years.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
How about that.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
That's uh, that's a good percentage of time.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Pretty good.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah, I still for the most part, forget that we're
on actual radio.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
So now when you look at the bio of the
station and the Radio Hall of Fame, we're a footnote.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
We're officially there because right part what's six oh? This is?
Speaker 3 (49:20):
I was gonna say, what's six of one oh two?
Probably just over five percent, somewhere around just under six percent.
We're on for thirty eight minutes a week. But we're there.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
We're there, We're there, got it. As long as the
people upstairs have forgotten that we're on there, we're going
to keep on being on there all right, Tuesdays or Guesdays.
I abuse kangaroos. It's yea Burton bye. Please flip the
(49:53):
cassette over to side B to continue the adventure. Now
it's time for girls jumping on tram Bapalin's
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