Madame Web

We discuss the newest & best movie from the "In Association With Marvel" Universe - 'Madame Web'


Directed by S.J. Clarkson and starring Dakota Johnson, Sydney Sweeney, Isabela Merced, Celeste O'Conner and Tahar Rahim - Cassandra Webb is a New York metropolis paramedic who begins to demonstrate signs of clairvoyance. Forced to challenge revelations about her past, she needs to safeguard three young women from a deadly adversary who wants them destroyed.


What did you think of the movie? Do you want more from this cinematic universe? Was it fun?


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Episode Transcript

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Mac for the first time as afather. May I speak to you as
a father? Sure? I viewedthe movie up and once again you know
this, everyone knows this. Thefirst ten twelve minutes of the movie.
You're gonna piss tears. There's noway around this, right. You could
be an old person, a youngperson, a father, anything at all
in that twelve minutes. The firsttwelve minutes maybe the greatest short film of

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all time. It might be,Yeah, you might see. But what
gets me now, what really getsto me now is Russell's backstory of his
father that wants nothing to do withhim, right, That's why he clings
clings ont of the old man somuch. But what makes that more upsetting
too, is that Frederickson's gonna diesoon and he's right back in the same

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situation. I know. But it'sfinally his chance to be a father figure.
You know. That's why it workedso well. You have traditionally sort
of put up down in the pantheonof pixarm He never put it, no,
no, no, It was threetop four for me. Oh all
right, fair enough, fair enough. When we talk about it, just
seems like you put it, youdon't you don't give it. It's it's
you know, dude, I thinkthat I now. I always thought,

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like, Okay, they have thesesuper heavy moments, but then they go
up against these super silly moments likethe dogs and all that stuff too.
It's a super fun movie. It'svery fun. So it has stuff for
a kid, but then also thoselayers with the father son stuff, you
know, really playing with the adults. How did Raffie take to it?
He didn't love it? Okay,I know, but what are you gonna

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do? It? Hit more fromme and that's all that matters. Yeah,
fair enough. Are you wearing aMcDonald's sweatshirt? Yes? What a
sweatshirt? I'm jealous of that.I like that. Should I have worn
pepsi for this next movie? Oh? God? God? One? Good?

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Three? Yeah, jos three,King of Queen Good, Mill Street
entertain good. And I'm Madam Macmacm web. Uh, I want to

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start over, Matt, mad Macweb. That doesn't make any enough Mac macdhum
Web. And we are the Macand Goo program. We bring you friendship.
Yeah, and today we are bringingyou I think I think this is
a first in Mac and gooo history. This review this for me. There
have been movies you have borderline hatedand movies I have borderline hated. I

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don't think we have simultaneously been thisslow on a movie ever. Don't.
Okay, but don't say love hate, because I listen love. You can
get into the nuances of it.I might think you're a fucking idiot as
we go on here today. Uhbut this is this is at least a
first for me. The only othertime I have gone to the theater for

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this podcast yes and wanted to leavethe theater was hell Boy the twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen, something like that.I at one point in this movie,
we're talking about Madam Web. MadamWeb. By the way, guys
caught on to that. I actuallytook up my phone because I needed to,
Like vent, I tweeted, Ihad to tweet, I don't want

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to talk to because there was fourpeople in the theater. This is this
is a first for me today.This is this is a first in maca
Goo history for mac Anyways, mywife texted me earlier, one of her
co workers. It's like, oh, what did he think of Madam Web?
So I sent it to him,like, oh, it's ridiculous.
But the last thirty minutes is amazing. And what Dana didn't realize what I
meant by that is it's ridiculous throughoutand it's amazingly bad at the end.

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So now I'm assuming her coworker becauseI'm a fucking idiot. Yes, yes,
you well you set yourself up.I guess I did. I also
think there. We've talked about thismovie briefly. Now, we haven't gone
into it. You saw it aday or two ago. I saw it
day after. I saw it lastnight, and I can't stop thinking about
it. This is I'm ready forthis conversation because when I left the theater,

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I was like, that might bethe worst movie I've ever seen in
theaters. And after like two days, I was like, that might be
the worst movie I've ever seen period. The final thirty ish minutes of this
movie, I had my hands overmy head the entire time, going no
way. I would say the finalfifteen to twenty had some so bad it

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was good and that was it forme. You you seem to have peaked
a little bit more. Yeah,we go to Peru. I'm all in
good. Madame Webb is the fourthinstallment in Sony's Spider Verse. Sony Versus
just really quickly. The family sittingin front of me. The mother asked
the two kids, He's like,oh, so this is a Marvel movie
and they go, yes, butit's not. And the mother got so

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confused and kind of angry. Yeah, just like Dakota Johnson. Seemingly,
the other three before this have beenthe two Venom movies, Venom and Venom
with their Cars. Of course,Morbius. Who There are people on the
internet that believe Morbius is the worstmovie of all time. Morbius is like,
way better. But I got waymore enjoyment out of this. Oh

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I did not. I did notat all. Also, is Venom good?
After seeing this? Is Venom good? The first Venom is solid?
I would say the second Venom isnot good. Morbius is bad. What
if the teas to this movie wasyou thought Venom was bad good? Madam
Webb is a PG thirteen action adventurein sci fi with a runtime of one

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hundred and sixteen minutes, and itfeels like three hours for a movie.
I checked my phone. I washaving fun with some of the dumb stuff
during the boring parts. Yet Iwas checking my phone the first forty minutes,
takes an hour and a half.There's no other way to say yeah
on Rotten Tomatoes right now, Goo. This says thirteen from the critics,

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fifty five percent from the audience,which let's be honest, it should be
zero's. Let's let's be honest,and Bucky Larson wants to be a porn
star is at one percent. Thisis worse than that. This in relation
to the rest of the Sony verse. Venom was thirty percent eighty percent.
Let there be Carnage was fifty sevenpercent, eighty four percent. That makes

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no fucking sense. Well do youthink it got high points for being the
loudest. I just think people werehappy to see Carnage and then they two
weeks later they're like, oh,we really they see what Woody Harrelson did
with that character. That was prettybad. MORBIUSKU from two years ago,
twenty twenty two, again some peoplesay is the worst comicook movie of all
time fifteen percent seventy one percent.And what I'll say about Morbius is it's

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a bad movie. It didn't itdidn't. I don't feel like it went
out of its way to be badlike this movie does. So it was
just a straight up bad movie.Morbius two. You felt like if it
came out during a different time itmight have been decent. It just came
out like twenty years too. AndI feel like Jared Leto in that actually

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did a decent job. Oh hedidn't about the leads in this, he
didn't, but also a decent job. I thought he sucked, but no,
he was. He was fine.I can't think of a time or
place or television network where if thiscame out, anyone says this is good.
No, there's not a time aplace, There's not a human being

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that should like this. So thatagain that the Rotten Tomato scores insane.
Thirty four. People on Rotten Tomatoestell you that you're stupid. On Metacritic,
this is a twenty seven. Idon't know if we've ever talked about
a movie below thirty. We've talkedabout some movies in thirties. I'll have
to look up what hell Boy was. I'm sure that was pretty low.
Venom got a thirty five. Carnage, the second Veto movie got forty seven.

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Again, it makes no sense.Morbius got a thirty five. So
the critics weren't too far off betweenVenom and Morbius, and that seems kind
of dumb. But again, oncewe hit COVID that all the Rotten Tomatoes
numbers got cu good. This movieis written by and we're gonna spend a
long time pretty much every instance we'retalking about something bad in this movie,
it comes back to writing. Someof it is acting, but most of

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it is writing. There's four writerscredited on this movie, so they should
have all. I don't know,they should have all somehow tried to come
up with with pen names. Hereit's all Alan Smithy. We have four
Alan Smithy's on this project, Mattszamaand Burke Sharpless. They are a writing
team together. They have written DraculaUntold, The Last witch Hunter, Gods

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of Egypt, Power Rangers that wastwenty seventeen's Power Rangers. They got like
secondary on that it was story buynot screenplay by That is the best thing
in this They also created the NetflixLost in Space series that did okay,
but no one really watched it.And they also were the writing team on
Morbius. The highest Rotten Tomato audiencescore out of all those goo Morbius.

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It's seventy one percent So I knowthat you said you have to look at
it and say, let's blame thewriters, But I would say look at
so in general more than these writers, because maybe they crafted something half decent
and they got noted to death.Yeah, you might be right about that,
or everyone on Sony didn't see Morbiusand just thought it was a success
and sign these guys back up.I'll also say this though, that the

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writers knew what they were getting into. It feels like the actors were all
told that they were in an actualMCU movie and they were lied to.
Uh good. The critics scores andaudio are on Rotten Tomatoes. The highest
one outside of Power Rangers is twentyfive percent. So I would say this
duo is probably done writing movies.Maybe. Ever, this is a historically

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bad run. Wait until Craven theHunter too. Yeah. The other two
writing credits went to Claire Parker,whose only writing credit is this. She
worked on this movie because she workedwith the director slash writer s J.
Clarkson on a show called Mistresses,which s J. Clarkson was the creator
of. The director go s J. Clarkson has done only television stuff up

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until this point. She's directed amillion episodes of Things Heroes, Dexter,
Orange of the New Black, JessJones, The Defenders, Succession, Anatomy
of a Scandal. So she's donea lot of good. Ye my hands
out. The quality of this movieis worse, Like, it looks worse
than all of these shows. Everyonein this movie did a bad job if
you had ever med like and peoplejoke about this a lot that it looks

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like CW quality this legit looked likeearly two thousand's CW two thousand, two
thousand and three c W. Themovie set in two thousand and three,
and it feels like it was madeto this but for television and for the
cw W it is of the Daredevilelectra vein it Like, that's sort of

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the feeling, the vibe you getfrom this movie. GOO synopsis. Cassandra
Webb is a New York City paramedicwho begins to demonstrate signs of clairvoyant.
Forced to challenge revelations about her past, she needs to safeguard three young women
from a deadly adversary who watched themdestroyed. Destroyed is a is a weird
word to use there, uh.This movie Goo stars stars for lack of

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a better term. Dakota Johnson asCassandra Webb, the titular Madame Webb.
Sidney Sweeney as Julior Kory. Ihad no idea that was her. The
girl had overalls and a pigtail.She had overalls. She just said,
like a minute and like two scenesshe had overalls, but still okay.

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Isabella Marcedes Cortizone. We would knowher, at least I knew her from
the Terrible Transformers movie with Mark Wahlberg. She played his daughter, and she
was also the adult Dora in thatlive action Door from a couple of years
celest O'Connor as Mattie Franklin. Shewas the third of the three young women.
We saw her in Ghostbusters Afterlife acouple of years ago. She was

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actually decent in that. And thenyou the villain in this who will get
to it when we get the spoilers. Tahar Raheem as Ezekiel Simms. He
it's a toss up. You couldgo either way. He might have been
worse than Dakota Johnson. He wasno, he was amazing. He was
terrible' he was so bad that Ihave never seen. No. I'm not

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gonna say that because sometimes the villainshave been butchered by things outside of the
acting. I have never seen avillain get acted this poorly, and it
doesn't help him that no one knowswho the fuck he is in the first
place. But this might be theworst com book villain of all time.
He also was apparently in a noNapoleon last year. I haven't seen him
in anything. And then a coupleof the characters we get here gou that
are notable. Adam Scott plays BenParker, actually good, one of two

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people in this movie that was good. The other person I'd say was good
was Isabella murch said. I thoughtshe did a good job. Emma Roberts
plays Ben's sister, Mary Parker akaPeter Parker's mother, and she's pregnant in
this movie. Goo, did yousee the bridal shower? I'm sorry,
did you see the baby shower?Right? That scene was horrible, real
bad, real bad. Like Iwould say once you that Cassander did not

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want to participate in your baby games, stop like you two aren't the only
two at the party. Talk tosomeone else. I read online somewhere or
I heard someone say it. I'vebeen consuming a lot of media revolving around
this. They said that Dakota Johnsonacts as if she's like being held hostage,
and it's very true. Well yoube. Do you have any memories

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of you and your mom? Yeah, my mom's dad. By the way,
when she said that, my theaterlaughed. Wow. They got Mike
Epps to sign up for this movie. He plays O'Neil, like the head
of the paramedic squad. And thenwe also have Zosha Met. You would
know her from the Show Girls.There's actually a very good in that show.

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She plays the villains like person atthe desk and she's the very magical
desk with like six computers number one, get more computers number two. That
thing, whatever they were using,it could just do anything whatever they wanted.
That was the whole point of that. I cannot okay, before we
start talking, before we do anyspoilers. Yeah, do you recommend this

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movie? Well, let's let's go. I need to talk about that fing
computer for a second. No,let's run through this and then we'll talk
about the computer for five minutes.I'm good. I forget about the computer.
So you could just say it nowand there's no spoilers here, nothing
to spoil to the box office.To the box office. All right,
so box office performance, GW.This is the worst opening weekend for a

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Sony Verse movie so far. Itmade twenty five point eight million domestically,
but that was over a five dayrun. Remember this opened on Valentine's Day.
Ended up making almost fifty two millionworldwide, which is fucking mind blowing.
It was number two at the boxoffice, behind that horrible Bob Marley
movie. Didn't You couldn't even beatthat. That doubled it up at the
box office. So that that's realbad. This this is gonna lose money

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by a lot. How many peoplewere in your theaters? And you saw
it on the Thursday, So Istart on the at four thirty pm,
so a reasonable time, little work. Yeah, I had I believe I
had four people in my theater.I saw it on Sunday night, seven
ten and it was the final showingof the day, and I would say

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my theater was a quarter filled possiblywow. Actually, And also when the
movie ended, little smattering of aPLoud I will say this, we just
saw our guy a couple of weeksago. Yeah, I had two people
walk out of our gyle. Noone walked out of this movie. I
will say this time, I thinkthe people that cheered at my theater worked
on the movie, possibly because theystayed for the entire credit and they were

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pointing at names during the credits.Yuck, I don't like that. I
don't like that, Goop. Youwant to get through the gautlet here?
Sure? Hey, Mac, funfactor? How much fun did you have?
And I had a blast at theend of this movie. I'm glad
you said at the end, becausego there's not an ounce of fun in
here. The climax, the finalfifteen minutes does get laughably bad. I'll

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give you that. It's not funthough, it just it just wasn't angrily
bad, So that's that's really it. I also couldn't believe how many times
they tried to shoehorn the word powerand responsibility and discuss at least guys,
we get it. Yeah, satisfactor. I was quite satisfied. Even when

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it was boring. They were givingme little nuggets. I'm like, that's
gonna play later, and then itdidn't. But what they gave us was
even better. Nothing, absolutely nothingin here. They wouldn't even say the
fucking name Peter Go. They wouldn'teven give us that they were flashing back.
Oh so bad borometer. Yeah,it was super boring, but it

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paid up for it because once theyhit into gear, once they finally said
fuck it, this is where allof our money is and we wasted it.
That's where it's great. I havenever had a theater experience on this
level. The first thirty five minutesreally killed me. The closest thing again

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I can point to was that hellBoy movie in which I leaned to you
and say, I think I wantto leave, but we were gonna talk
about it, so I just stay. I don't know what kept me in
this theater, but yeah, thisthis movie nearly killed me. Halloween.
Will this movie go down or upover time? And I am quite satisfied
with the hot dog score I haveready, you know what? The one
credit I'll give this movie is it'sso bad it can't win or ween because

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it's already at the bottom. It'sat the very bottom. I can't wait
till I can watch it for free, because I'm gonna watch it again almost
immediately. Actually, Aquator, it'sbelow Aquaman. But if you said to
me right now, Goo, whatdo you want to watch again? Right
now, I'm gonna pick Madam WebbJesus Christ. You you like fucking waterboarding?
I guess I do. I've seensome movies over the last few years

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that I haven't liked. Some I'vehated some I downright get angry about.
This was the worst of the worst. It's not only below the equator,
it's below the depths of hell Boy, Pants Tent City, Excite bike Mania.
What got you going in this movie? To have Sidney Sweeney in your
movie, gu a woman who I'vespent hours looking up on the Internet,

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and to not deliver a pants tentat any moment is insanity. It's almost
impossible you didn't like her dancing onthe table. It's nearly impossible that table
dancing scene. No one's ever donethat. I don't know, and I
can't even I can't even be Idon't know where to begin with. A

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movie that featured Sidney Sweeney and playedtoxic couldn't get mac going. Have you
ever been now, gou we werefifteen, sixteen, seventeen, once upon
a time, Have you ever beenin a situation where you newly met female's
males, anyone where their first thingthey did was dance on a table.
I just said that no one hasever danced on a table. Yeah,

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there you go. That has neverhappened. Max, Credit Union, who
are you giving credit to? Listen, I'm a Union guy, and through
I hope ninety percent of the peopleinvolved in this movie never work again.
I hope they get fired. Ihope they lose their I get busted,
get busted. Credit to whoever willnow get a job because those people won't,
So credit to those people. Creditto whoever casted this movie, the

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person that convinced all of these peopleto be in this movie, a real
parcel tongue, hot dog man,hot dug man, whatever can I'll let
you go first because I have Igot like three words for this ude.
I'm flabberg acid, I'm dumbfounded.I truly cannot believe how bad this fucking
movie is. Like I was tryingto think of not just comic book movies,

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but all time bad movies, andI'm having a hard time beating this
one. Some that came to mindwere and this is like not the room,
like those B level movies. I'mtaking those like movies that are trying
to make money. Let's say Ithought of The dragon ball Z movie that
came out in like two thousand andseven with Emmy Rossam that was pretty fucking
bad. How did that? Bubbles? What is happening right now? Sorry

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if you aren't watching on YouTube?What just happened was great? Mac even
thumbs up, and then his computerstream yard. Yeah, great. That
dragon ball Z movie with Emmy Rossum. The m Night Avatar movie adaptation that's
fucking all time bad. If youwant to talk strictly comic book movies,
this might be the worst of alltime. I thought about Catwoman. Catwoman

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is fucking horrific. Do you get? You get? Like four? That's
really comparable, though, it's reallycomparable. Basketball scene alone puts that over
Madame Web because that made me laughthat we haven't even mentioned how this movie
ends yet. A couple others Ithought about, And these are more ones
that had like a serious tone,like this movie does Electra? That's pretty

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fucking bad. Maybe Electra is worsethan this, I don't know. And
then the other one, fant forStick, the one that wasted Michael B.
Jordan, that incredible cast that isprobably worse than this, more like
Morbius, where it's just boring throughno, because they they waste Doctor Doom
so bad in that movie that itknocks it down so far. So maybe

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that's the worst of all time,but it also still might be Madame Webb.
It's just I don't know. It'san interesting conversation to have. Actually,
that's one of Dork's episodes this week. I don't know, goode.
I'm giving this two hot dogs forthe amount of characters that I thought did
a good job. That was AdamScott's Ben Parker and Isabella mer said's on
your corizone two two hot dogs.So you're actually giving it a higher score

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than I am, because I believegiving something in the single digits really says
this is an unwatchable piece of shit. I'm giving it zero hot dogs because
once you hit that zero, it'sso bad that it's good. And I
had a blast watching this. Ican I just push back on that for
a little bit. Now, thereare bad movies, horrible movies, so

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bad they're good, they'll go pasthorrible and then they go into so bad
they're still really really bad, Andthat's what this goes beyond so bad.
At around almost every turn of thismovie, I was having a good time
stunning to me and even saying that, like I was having a fun time
at the beginning, trying to figureout why she's like this, Like why

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is she such a horrible person toeverybody? How why can't you act like
a normal person? A child givesyou a hand drawn color and you're like,
what am I supposed to do withthis? I don't know? Put
it in your fucking pocket? Andthat also calls in the question like her
very first scene, which we'll getto now Spilerlert Spierler Spilight spoiler spoiler spoiler

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alert, Good you have anything beforeI run through the horrific happenings of this
movie. No, I'll just interjectwhen I have to. All Right,
this movie, for some reason,like we said, is set in two
thousand and three, but that hasactually no bearing on the movie Whatsolest.
So I've actually seen that they weregoing back and forth between either making it
set in two thousand and three ornineteen ninety three, and they just settled

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on two thousand and three. Butthat was in the middle of the movie,
so a lot of this could havehappened at any time. Christ And
also by putting it in two thousandand three mean means you rule out it
being in the Ramy verse and tryingto save stuff tinkers down. I'll try
to count. That's awesome. Don'tuse your thumb. It rules out this

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being in the Ramie Verse. Italso rules out it being in the Garfield
universe because it's set too late,so it's obviously not connected to the Tom
Holland movies. So now you're tellingme there's a fourth Peter Parker that they
didn't even want to know. Butalso by putting it in two thousand and
three, so her vehicle of choicein this movie is a stolen, busted
up cab that she takes the licenseplace off of, and she also leaves

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the cab number on the top,which could script that off. Well fucking
unscrew it. I don't know figureit out. But at one point in
this movie she parks it at anairport for roughly a week, and no
one says shit, this is intwo thousand and three. Nine to eleven
just happened. No One's gonna sayanything. I was thinking the amount of
times I thought about nine to elevenduring this movie. That alone makes this

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the worst movie at all time.Yeah, this movie you think of nine
to eleven one hundred. So Iwas like, there's no way this would
happen normally in ninety nine or twothousand post nine to eleven. None of
this is also in New York Citywhile she's doing this with the cab,
she's wanted for kidnapping. Oh don'tget all right, let's get going here,
because I that was fucking ludicrous too. So the movie opens in nineteen

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seventy three and the Peruvian Amazon withCassandra Webb's scientist mom looking for some specific
spider she's she's heard about. Shehas hired this personal security guard that just
like follows her around and he onceshe finds a spider, he turns on
her and the only thing she cansay is she's he's made a bad decision.
Her reaction to finding the spider washilarious too. I found the spider.

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I found this. She's like runningback and smiling and singing like mcleven
I get a bone, especially findinga Why she wanted the spider was to
save her baby? Why not runback like keep it under wraps? Like
what are you doing? For sure? And then during their conversation in this
open you hear about lassans, whichI guess means like spider or spiders in

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Spanish or whatever it's called. Andthen these fucking spider people descend out of
the trees and snatch her up.And she's also a hallucination. She I
was real. She pooh poos thiswhen he brings it up. But then
when Madam Webb is reading about itlater, it's written about in great detail
by her mother. So was hermother just you know, like trying to

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get him off the scent. Maybesome time had passed, uh when we
were in nineteen seventy three that wemissed. I don't know. You're right,
that's good the mother was dead.And then goo, Mama Web gets
snatched up. They jump through thetrees and then we end up in this
little pool and she's laying there aboutto give birth to Cassandra Webb, and
these fucking people put the spider onMama Web's chest and let the spider bite

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her and she dies eight seconds later. So what's the fucking point of giving
her the spider when the baby wasjust born? Because you can bite a
baby, you gotta let it bitethe mother, and then the umbilical cord
feeds it no, because she diesso quickly, there's no juices flowing through
the umbilical cord. Good, thebaby doesn't get any of that. So
that right there, the origin doesn'teven make sense. Have you ever?

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It's a magic spider God, sofucking dumb you All you have to do
is have the spider bite the baby. That's it. When the guy pulls
out, the baby's like, she'sstrong and I'll be here someday when you
need to talk to me. Andthen when she comes back to Peru later,
there's only one guy there and itlooks like he works in it.
He makes this whole speech about he'sgonna look over her. She returns to

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Peru and somehow finds the fucking spotthat she was. She returns to Peru
with just a map that her motherdrew, and she's got this little knapsack.
She's walking through the fucking Amazon likethe deadliest place on the planet.
She just has a knapsack she gotfor three days, three four days,
because no idea. They were atBen's house for how long? Oh wait,
probably less than a week week?Yeah, And then then she has

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these visions, finds out her momdidn't hate her. Her mom loved their
Wow, what a fucking revelation thatis. And then this fucking Laseranyes guy
gives some fucking backwards term on thewith great power comes great responsibility. I
have it it is Uh what doeshe say? He says, when you
take on the power, great responsibilitywill come. Come on with that,

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Come on with it, fucking Christ. Meanwhile, while she's there, the
three Spider women back home are fuckingaround with Ben Parker and give him some
bullshit about oh, you're the uncle, so you don't have the responsibility.
Like there's another turn on it likeit is. And also it's so funny
that so she's like, wait,so what are my powers? I was

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able to just go back in timeand hug my mom. Yeah, And
he's pretty much like, I don'tknow what. I don't know. I
don't know one thing there literally whateverthe story needs, it's limitless. But
one thing you can do is bein multiple places at once. Just remember
that. And you're like, oh, I guess we'll see that again.
But also, okay, so speakingof visions in uh, you know,
looking into the future, Ezekiel havinghis dreams of these Spider women, which,

(28:18):
by the way, at no pointin the movie, do any of
the four dress and costume that wasThat was one of the things that like
you get mad at after the fact. During the runtime, you're so caught
off guard with everything else. Atthe end of it, you're like,
what the fuck? We saw zerospider women suits. The only things we
saw were in visions. It waslike thirty seconds total. But also so

(28:41):
he has these dreams of these threespider women killing him, and he was
able to describe this to someone andthen they said, let me dage these
ten years and it's gonna look likethese three children. He signed up the
right person and that woman they havewhat eight computers something like that. It

(29:03):
should be a wall of like twentythirty computers that are constantly moved Lucius Fox
had. It should be what LuciusFox has. Yes, what they have.
But so like there's such an easyway around this. Zeke was bitten
by a spider, right, LikeZeke got his powers from being bitten by
a spider. So what like maybehe should have these visions and then while

(29:26):
he's walking down the street, becauseyou know how they all live in the
exact same fucking place, maybe hehas spider senses that say, this is
the girl that's gonna kill me.I don't know. We'll get to the
NSA stuff in a minute, becauseI I have I have so many things
I have to go over here topoint out how ridiculous. Also, why
did that NSA lady want to havesex with him? He walked up to

(29:48):
her? She works so hard atnsaying kil you know she's gotta fuck every
once in a while. Oh mygod. All right, we're back in
two thousand and three. Her mind. Also, why why didn't the three
Why didn't the three Spider women eventuallykill him? Anyways? Like maybe they
found a way to kill him?Why does Madam One's like, no,

(30:10):
we're interconnected. I'm the one who'salways supposed to No, just what,
I don't know what. You couldask a million questions about the movie.
That's it's fucking into the story.Doesn't make anything horrible, all right,
So we're back at two thousand andthree. Now we finally meet Cassandra Webb
and she's with Ben Parker. Theyfucking drive their paramedics and drive an ambulance
together. They show them driving toan accident and go this first like forty

(30:34):
minutes of emergency stuff and EMS stuffdrove me insane. Now, I think
this happens with everyone when they're whentheir job or they're like expertise, when
they're watching something on screen and it'srelative to that, they get turned off
very quickly. Like I can't watchshows about like Chicago fire. Can't watch
that because it's can you watch Dallasfire? That type of shit? There's

(30:57):
so much wrong in this movie withsimple EMS stuff. And I know it's
set in two thousand and three,so standards were different, but even if
you go back to then, noneof it makes sense. Do you think
it was just to be like showthat she does have compassion because she has
that job. No, because italmost makes her come off as an even
worse person that she's doing this.She doesn't give a fuck about the people.

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Do you think it was just sothat she would know how to do
CBR like that's specifically it. Theyshow these people pulling up to an accident
the standard protocol in any city,state, or country for probably sixty years
now is police fire EMS. There'sjust their one ambulance on this massive bridge
in the middle of the city,and it's just them dealing with this fucking

(31:41):
like four car wreck. Now there'sthis one car hanging over the fucking bridge,
and they're like trying to help thepeople out of the car. She
yaws one guy, but yes,yes, yes, yes I think there
was I think they it was oneguy, they whatever it is, But
yeah, they had to cut himdown. So this act her getting in
the car and cutting him out wouldmake so much sense for someone, someone

(32:02):
that's destined to be a hero,someone that's compassionate about people, someone that
likes people. However, Goo,when you watch the first fifteen minutes of
this movie, you realize she fuckinghates everyone and everything. So she would
never do that. She would neverdo that. So the whole premise of
the movie, like you said,makes no sense. The whole reason why

(32:22):
the shit jumps off for her makesno sense. It would never happen.
She would never put herself in harm'sway. That would never fucking happen.
And then on top of it,the fucking car falls into the river from
a substantial height. She's now submergedwith the vehicle in the fucking whatever river
under for three minutes. She's outthere for a long time. No other

(32:44):
response gets kicked up, no diveteam, no police no fire department.
Ben Diegel is now in the water, and there's still no extra emergency people
there. And apparently Ben Parker divesoff the bridge, dives down into the
water, pulls her eye of thevehicle, somehow gets her up onto the
side under the bridge, which isn'tjust a shore. He would have had

(33:05):
the rock climb with her. Thenhe does CPR to her for three seconds.
She immediately comes back and they justhave like a regular conversation. I
couldn't fucking believe it. Okay,So, first off, Ben Parker is
Adam Scott, So let's picture AdamScott doing that, which is even funny,
right right, But also what Ilike to think too, is that
so he dove in there to saveher, and he pulls her out,

(33:29):
and then the first thing that sheshould have said is, oh, where's
the guy that we just saved.Oh he's fucking dead. I helped him
on the side of the road,on top of it. Because no one
else responded. Apparently that guy stoppedlaying on the road because Ben Parker fucking
dived into the river. He's floatingover there. He fell off the bridge
too these days. He stumbled tothe river as well he died. Oh

(33:50):
so then shortly after this we moveon to the fucking the whatever barbecue party
they're having. There, we meetBen's sister, Mary Parker ak Peter Parker's
mother played by Emma Roberts. Shewas fine, She's very pregnant in this
like they're like, oh, whenyou do it pretty soon Again, we
later get that shitty line about ohand by the way, her responsibility,
her powers of like seeing into thefuture really quick and then coming back or

(34:13):
going back in time, whatever itis, is like an SNL sketch.
It was called ed gloss or trivialpsychic, and it was Christopher Walking who
would touch you and you could seeinto the future like one minute, and
every time it was like you're gonnaburn your mouth on a hot cup of
coffee. That's all I can thinkabout the entire movie. It doesn't help

(34:38):
that I'm like still getting over thissickness. That fucking is playing into my
hate for this movie. It's asign. It says slippery when wet,
but it's actually dry. You canwalk on it. Gil. Yes,
they got called away from this barbecueto this fire at the fireworks facility.
They all gotta go I think thecaptain, who the fuck his name is,
was gonna like get blown up orlike that. He gets just he

(35:01):
backs up and gets taponed. Immediately. They cut to this fireworks factory scene
and they show uh, Dakota Johnsondoing CPR and some dude just laying on
the ground by herself. No one'shelping her. There's a man apparently in
need of CPR and no one's helpingher. Incredible. He then makes a

(35:21):
miraculous covering that She says, you'regood. It just walks away. This
is now two for two in CPR. Dude, I have done CPR I
don't know, one hundred and somethingtimes in my life now maybe less.
Whatever it is, you don't savedamn near anyone, never mind go for
two for two like in a week. Oh that was unbelievable. Yeah,
So then she does eight seconds ofCPR. He's cool, and she's just

(35:45):
like, hey, can you guystake care of this guy. Nope,
that doesn't happen. There's no transferof care there. She needs to go
with him to the hospital because shehas this vision of O'Neil dying in a
fucking car accident. So then shehas this horrible conversation with Mike Epps.
And then he gets into an ambulancefor no reason. There's no one as
the ambulance. They don't tell himto go to a hospital. He just

(36:05):
drives away for this from the scene, for no reason. Fucking incredible.
He gets t boned. Now he'sdead, but also immediately like I thought
that he was gonna because they wereout of a firework factory. I'm like,
Okay, maybe maybe he's gonna geta firework to the head final destination
style. No, he just getst boned. No, and then CPR
again. We've now seen CPR threetimes in the first thirty minutes of this

(36:28):
movie. And then we also inthe meantime, somewhere in here I forget
exactly where it falls in. Weget introduced to the villain Ezekiel and his
swinky New York City apartment and hisright hand lady Goot Again. We talked
about it briefly. As bad asthe coach Dakota Johnson always is, and
especially in this movie, I thinkthis guy is worse. This guy's the
worst. He does a worse jobthan her. This villa is a fucking

(36:52):
indeed, get this suit great question, great question. I have no idea,
Like we've asked this question before inVenom, because Venom is supposed to
he's supposed to look like that becausehe sees how Peter Parker looks, and
then he decides to look very similar. So that gets very confusing too.
Well, it would make sense ifhis suit looked like this, if he

(37:12):
was basing it off Spider Man.No, that's what I'm saying. Spider
Man doesn't exist. That's what I'msaying, there is no Spider Man.
Insane. Also, if this guyexists, right, if this guy who
appears to be a Spider Man lateron eighteen years later, sixteen years later,
when there is a new Spider Man, everyone would treat the Peter Parker

(37:34):
Spider Man as being an absolute havocbecause of this other poisonous piece of shit
that was around twenty years ago.A great point. It's a great point.
Now. As you were talking aboutthat, I thought, you know
what, maybe he saw the suitin a vision. Whatever. But that's
besides the point. Sometime after thisfireworks factory thing, get we get Zeke.
I'm gonna call him because he doesn'tdeserve his full I men for Zeke

(37:55):
he pulls the NSA chick at thebar their home ballet no up, uh
opera? Oh yeah, wherever thefuck they we walked into an opera and
picked up a lady the front row. He just poisons her by a touch,
and I'm like, this is fuckingstupid. It was at that point
where I'm like, this is thedumbest shit ever. So he steals their
n walked in knowing that what areyou doing? No, because in my

(38:19):
mind I thought this movie's gonna bereally bad. I don't think it could
be worse than Morbius, And thefact that it's like twenty times worse than
Morbius blows my mind. It justblew my mind. And so again he
kills this woman to steal the NSAtech. That's why we have the Lucius
Fox situation. And then do theyfinally, finally what weave these four women
together? And the way they doit is so fucking stupid. So the

(38:44):
story of this movie is that Zekehas a vision that these three girls are
gonna murder him, so he's gotto kill them first. On top of
that, Cassandra Webb Dacota Johnson alsohas a vision of Zeke killing these three
women, and she decides she needsto do something about it. So they
just put them all on the subwaybecause they also her premonitions don't make any

(39:05):
sense timing wise, Like it's notlike she saw all three of them at
the same time having this issue.It was one by one by one by
one, So while she was havingthis third premonition, the first one should
be dead. Yeah, you're right, the timing makes no sense about it.
Also, did you see the guywith a PSP in two thousand and
three? Do you know what you'rethe PSP came out? Oh it was

(39:28):
after that two thousand and five.I did notice the PSP. I just
so many movie don't you guys knowwhen your shit came out? Jesus Christ?
I Actually they went out of theirway to show that guy with the
PSP. That's funny. So eventuallythese three get attacked by fucking spider Boy
in the subway, which is surelywitnessed by dozens, if not hundreds of

(39:49):
people. They managed to escape.They steal that fucking cab, and within
eight seconds of being in the cab, Goo, a fucking radio station cuts
in with a breaking news report thatCassandra Webb assaulted the cops and kidnapped the
girls. How in the fuck wouldthat have been reported that quick? Number
one, but also that it gotreported as her. The only way that

(40:13):
that would have made sense and beenawesome and also would have tarnished his legacy
is if that was JK. Simmons. They did allude to, uh,
what's the paper that he is adaily bugle, They did allude to the
butil Yeah, but I'm saying,like, make him the Alex Jones character
again, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then they're like,
we gotta get out of here.They drive to the middle of fucking nowhere
and she just leaves them there forlike eight hours, so predictably, predictably,

(40:37):
you know they're not gonna stay there, and again, go, this
is all day not day one stuff. But the first day they come together.
There hasn't been a second day yet, right, so keep that in
mind. That subway thing happens,They drive out to the middle of nowhere.
This is all the same day.So these girls then hike over to

(40:58):
a diner in the again not anew day. The man sitting in the
diner has a newspaper with the threepeople you don't remember in two thousand and
three, when there were newspaper boyson the sidewalk selling the afternoon specials.
Incredible a newspaper with the missing peoplefrom that day, from the middle of
the day. That was the dumbestthing in the whole movie. How did

(41:21):
no one? How did that getoverlooked? That was so fucking stupid,
so dumb. Anyway, if shefucking flies back from Peru, the car
able to be able to get thecab out of the fucking air No,
but Peru happens later in the movie. She goes, she goes to the
diner and she hits Zeke with thecar, one of multiple times that Zeke

(41:43):
is smashed by number one Get hegets got by the How does he die
by a letter falling on him aftergetting smashed by cars several times? How
strong is he? What is herpower set? What are these girls able
to do? How did they bespider women? Valid questions, all valid
questions. They escape the diner,they go to this motel, YadA,

(42:06):
YadA. This is when she decidesto go to Peru because she needs answers
good, I'm sorry no. Beforeshe goes to Peru, she gets a
hotel room with the girls they bond. She she actually thinks about leaving them.
She's like, I'm I might notbe right for this, But then
she's like, no, I haveto protect these girls. She teaches them
CPR and then while they're talking,they all like at the same time,

(42:29):
are like, you have to goto Peru. So she does. She
drives this cab that's been reported stolen. It's got no plates. She drives
it all the way. When shetook the plates off the cab, I
was like, Okay, is shegonna put a different set of plates on
there? Is she gonna swap cars? Is she gonna do something cunning to

(42:50):
not be driving a clearly stolen cab, and not even in New York.
So if it's just driving around theoutskirts, if it's near New Jersey,
someone's gonna look at that and saythat's a fucking stolen cab. The odds
of getting pulled over in a cabwith no plates in severe front edd damage
is pretty fucking good, especially whenyou pull into a New York City airport

(43:15):
post nine to eleven. So shepulls in parks it goes to Peru.
Fucking takes a bus to the middleof nowhere, Peru, gets out of
the bus and just starts gallivanting free. It wasn't a bus, it was
a single engine plane. She wasoh, bust the plane, yeah too,
it was both. She's in Peruand somehow from one photo near a

(43:38):
river, which, by the way, I don't know if anyone remembers this.
In the Amazon, there's a thingcalled the Amazon River. Pretty fucking
big lot of trees by the river. She gets to the exact spot that's
in her mother's photo, and thenfucking Lassarana shows up. This is one
guy done, one guy. Yeah. She meets tree guy, figures out
she can be a hero. Hermom didn't hate her. She gets back

(44:00):
to New York City, still hasthe cab, and she gets back with
immaculate timing. Go because now MaryParker's and Labor they're on their way to
the hospital. Oh wait, intwo thousand and three, if you saw
someone with a cell phone, wouldyou have lost your mind? Like Sydney
Sweeney did not two thousand and three, Now like ninety six maybe yeah,
But like she pulls it, wouldyou have a phone? For a young

(44:22):
person to have a phone, Iwould. I would say, yeah,
Well, they're in their teens.Yeah, there were several people in our
eighth grade class that had the churchchrips. The next stills, yeah,
yeah, you're right. No,I would say, I would say probably
a quarter of kids might have cellphones two thousand and three. Uh So,
anyway, she gets back, whilefucking Zeke is chasing them through the

(44:45):
streets of New York City, shesteals, she commandeers a New York City
ambulance, drives it in. Thisfucking drove me insane too. This is
like, I don't maybe I'm dumbfor being concerned about this. If you
go into a parking garage, itis very clear which vehicles cannot fit into
a parking garage. I would ventureto say maybe one percent of the parking

(45:08):
garages on the planet could fit anambulance inside. She happens to find the
one that could fit an ambulance.She zooms around, pops out the second
or third floor, and again HiT'sZeke with a fucking that was the one.
So like I bought all the wayback in when she went to Peru.
At this point, when she poppedout of the side of that parking

(45:29):
garage, that's when I edge ofmy seat, eyes wide open, like,
Okay, we've finally made it.This is what we've been working our
way up to this entire movie,and at this point moving forward, the
rest of this movie is fucking gold. The rest it is amazing. Fifteen
minutes for me to giggle at something. They escaped the fucking ambulance situation.

(45:53):
They lure Zeke to the fireworks factoryand goo, get this. This is
their master plan by the air voint, Madam Webb. They're gonna blow up
the fireworks factory with Zeke in it, but somehow they're gonna be able to
get off the roof and roof andjump onto a helicopter. That's the fucking
plan. The fireworks also had randomcapabilities as well, like some of them

(46:16):
could I know? But like it'sas if she knew which ones were gonna
do what which stack said the fuckingRoman, like the one that blew through
the wall. I was fucking dying. And then oh my god, on
the roof of the building she hadthe shield and she was blocking fireworks.
Oh god, yes. So theninevitably, obviously they get trapped on the

(46:39):
roof. Zeke has them right wherethey want them. All three girls are
hanging Madam Webb is backed up againstthe fucking sign and you're like, oh,
no, way to get out ofthis. Wrong, No, but
he says, He says to her, you gotta pick one. And then
Batman said, wait a second.We did this in Batman Forever. Yeah,

(46:59):
we did this in the Amazing SpiderMan two. Yeah, we did
this in Spider Man Fucking No WayHome. We did this, and then
in a Million Movies du Coda,Johnson said, joke's on you. I
can split into three. This decentlysized piece of metal falls on Zeke.
But remember he's an enhanced human here, so he should be able to lift
this piece of metal that is somehowkeeping him down, and then he gets

(47:22):
fucking dragged in to the explosion asshe gets thrown off the building. He
has been hit by many cars.It's like, pretty clear he's at least
displayed enough that we know he'd beable to move that piece of metal.
He is a poisonous, less,web slunging Spider Man pretty much. Yeah,
maybe not a strong spider Man,but he's he's picking up people with

(47:44):
choke slams here. He's fucking clearlyreal strong. So he falls into the
fire, she falls into the wateragain, and then they go out of
their way to show one you itwould make a little more sense if there
was like three hundred fireworks blasting tothe water. One fire blasted to the
water. She apparently didn't see that, and the fucking firework blitzing byer in

(48:05):
the water blinds her And you don'teven realize that until like a full minute
later. You're like, what,also, the CGI whenever they show her
with like the webs going around her, Yeah, dear level oh, speaking
of the CGI. By the way, the spider people jumping around in this
movie so bad looked horrible, sobad, so bad. That's the flash.

(48:29):
That was the one action that theydid in this movie, and they
couldn't pull it off. Couldn't doit. And then go, guess what.
She's in the water gets pulled outagain by the three girls, and
wouldn't you happen to know it?They now know CPR from that previous scene,
you know, for saying hell yeah, so you remember she taught them
that and that was one of thesixty awful scenes in the movie. So
they bring her back, we seeshe's apparently fucking blind. Cut to her

(48:52):
in the hospital room, they're therefor ten seconds and finally Gou. We
get to the closing scene of themovie. They're in this fucking top floor
apartment and something I thought to myselfheading into the scene, how can they
top what they just did? Andthe dialogue in this scene was phenomenal.
Kung pou chicken, how did youknow she has a fucking nose? It

(49:13):
wasn't until she splits into the three, but I laughed a little bit.
And then this scene, this tome, was the only real scene that
was so bad. It was good. And then she's on that super high
wheelchair with these little ETBT glasses on. She looked like a mix of Cyclops
and Professor X with this fucking justbland oatmeal face just going around. Hello

(49:34):
girls. These girls bop into theapartment like they're having the best day ever.
And she's just sitting there like sohappy, happy as can be.
And you're like, hold on asecond, Like, yeah, she looks
bad, but where smile is likethis, But we're like, hold on
a second, when did she getparalyzed? Why is she paralyzed? Why
is she wheelchair bound? They didn'texplain that. There's no fucking rhyme Marine

(49:55):
else right too, and she goes, you know, it's great about the
future. You don't know what's gonnahappen. Yeah, and then you get
the Kung pole chicken. It's perfect, do bless you? Oh great?
And oh I forgot about that too, yeah she and she with that line
you said with the future. Nowyou're showing off, I guess. She

(50:17):
spins her wheelchair around and rolls towardsthe window and looks out into the window
pane into that future scene. Ohso horrible. And then so, just
to summarize, here go Madam Webb'spower. The whole premise of this movie
is she has these premonitions. She'sclairvoyant. She can see in the future.
She saw these three women's deaths.She prevented it. They show other

(50:40):
shit happened in the future. Soshe is fully aware that Ben and Mary
Parker, two of her best friends, are gonna die, and she's just
gonna let it happen. They eventalk about it. The girls say to
him, oh, he's gonna havea lot of fun, or if they
might have said to him, uh, being an uncle, it's all fun
without the responsibility. And then DakotaJohnson gives this dumb smirk like that's what

(51:04):
he thinks. It's fucking unbelievable,Like you know this is gonna happen.
She like brags about his death.Yes, it's insane. There's no reason,
based on the movie I just watchedthat she can't prevent those deaths.
There's fucking no reason or at leastto attempt to, especially in a universe
it's not even gonna have a PeterParker, so you don't need Uncle Ben
to die. Fucking christ O,good final thought here. Final thought again

(51:29):
alluded to this earlier after all thatblew down, and I had seen this
on the internet before I went andsaw it, but it didn't hit me
until I was sitting in my car. We get this movie about these four
spider women and literally never see themin the suits. They're never in the
suits. You get like two flashforwards. It's fucking insane. It's insane
that to tease that the way theydid, it's so fucking stupid, so

(51:52):
dumb. I just don't know whythose three are spider women. They never
explain why these three are t likeDakota Johnson bleeds on them or something,
and then like that's that's how maybenot something as crass as that, but
like like all their all their periodssync up, and that's how they become

(52:13):
mac Come, come on, youhave a submission from the writer Jeffrey McNamara
on how they're gonna become superheroes.But no, but like like like maybe
give a hints toward like how dothey become spider women, because like this

(52:38):
was planned to have multiple movies inthis sequence of movies. The only thing
they allude to is that they allcome from like kind of broken homes.
But like that's like not a goodenough reason these days because every hero has
that ship. So you're right,they should have given you a reason.
Do you want to hear what's nextfor Sony? What they have in the

(52:59):
in the pipeline here before we dothat, the exact line of the best
thing about the future, It hasn'thappened yet. Cut to her floating around
the three of them, and you'relike, what's it like the giant Oakleys?
Yes, yeah, God, likea fucking scarecrow. Not for nothing
to Sidney Sweeney's character. I thinkher name's Julia Carpenter something like that,

(53:22):
Julia something. She looks like shehas some really fucking cool powers. It'd
been cool to see those. Also, you cast the hottest thing in the
world outside of Anna d Armis.She's the number one person on the planet,
right and you did that to her, right right? What a fucking
tease. So and also like sheis void of comedy in the movie,

(53:44):
she's funny and other stuff. Shewas great in Anyone but You. She
carried the movie. She's good inEuphoria. She's a very good actress.
On top of the other very goodthing she has Yes, agreed, agree
to agree, Okay, good.Here's what's next for Sony. So this
year we get two more and honestly, I think this is gonna end.
After this year we get Craven theHunter with Aaron Taylor Johnson, which I

(54:06):
think will get yet another Spider Man. T's in that, and then we
get That's August August thirtieth. Venomthree comes out November eighth. I don't
know what the fuck they're gonna dofor that movie, but I think after
those two movies, they literally won'thave a path forward because they won't be
making money. And none of thecharacters there's keep caddamn thumbs down. None

(54:29):
of the characters now I'll give Cravena little bit of a benefit of the
dot. I like atj none ofthe characters besides Venom is likable, and
you don't even like Venom, sothey're drawing dead now. But the Venom
movies have made decent money. Butthat also might cap off the trilogy,
so they don't need to really gofurther with that. Yeah, I don't
know, Maybe they just start overagain and then we get some tbds.

(54:51):
And these are all the things thatI think won't happen outside of the So
you have beyond the Spider Verse that'sclearly gonna happen coming out next year.
Tom Hollands for Spider Man movie.That'll happen not attached to this, and
the stuff they have planned in thisSony verse. I think SAT series Sinister
six, they don't even have thatplanned yet. They have Silk Spider Society
series. I think that was supposedto be a show that's not gonna happen.

(55:14):
They have the Spider Man No Wirseries that might happen because that's attached
to the Spider Verse stuff. ElMuerto no idea. If that's gonna happen.
No, that is so it's aMexican wrestler with superpowers. Oh,
we talked about that, and it'swith bad Bunny, okay. And then
we have an untitled female cast intothe Spider Spider Verse spinoff, which I

(55:37):
don't think that's gonna happen based offthe intr we got in the last movie.
But you never know. I thinkthe Sony Verse is dead after twenty
twenty four. The DCU DC ExtendingUniverse died in twenty twenty three. Sony
Verse dies in twenty twenty four.I think it depends on because I know
that Venom's gonna make money because it'sa likeable character. I think it is.
The last one made money. Yeah, but it was terrible. I

(55:58):
you and I didn't like it.The critics seem to think it was fine.
Yeah, you're right. I thinkCraven. Let's see how Craven does
at the box office, because thismovie that'll be more daily underperformed. Oh
boy did it? Yeah? Boy? Did it? Ever? I do
think though, well, I don'tknow though, because they have Sony has
shown that they have no idea howto do a proper scope of their movie,

(56:21):
to like keep it in line hereor broaden it and then do this.
It's all over the place. Soprobably Craven's gonna attach to seven things
and none of it's gonna be goodenough. You know, like they probably
won't just tell one story. I'llbe completely honest. I want their Sinister
six movie. Oh God, couldyou imagine all of these characters that we
know and hate interacting with each other. We have Morbius, Vulture and Venom

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currently, but Venom's probably Carnage.Bring in Zeke, get Seek, get
Zeek on a minimum deal. Bringin Paul Giamatti. God, Uh,
you can do anything? Really?Yeah, Sony? Could they? They
have now finished off the anything?This was this? I'm just like,

(57:09):
the more I think about the movie, the more I'm dumbfounded that it happened
this way. It's just so like, at every turning point of this movie,
it's what are her powers? Wow? If you think of choose your
own adventure style type of storytelling orthe way someone might write a story,
you get to sort of this precipiceor this turning point in every story,

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and it happens, let's say Idon't know, ten times in a story,
each time they got to a massivemoment, they made the wrong decision.
They took the left, disagree tookthe right. Impressive. I think
they nailed it around every corner.I love this movie. God unbelievable.
So, like I will tell youright now, of the movies that I

(57:51):
have seen this year, this wasmy favorite. It is definitively the worst
movie I have ever seen in theaters, and I'm not gonna rule out that
it's worst movie I've ever seen.Let's get into and Max. That could
be anything. It could be aboat. And we ran out of time

(58:14):
for Echo. So what do youwant to talk about? First things First,
very glad our palate cleanser for thisGoup is doomed too. We get
done too this week. So I'mfucking stoked about I need and put a
podcast. Put your thumb I didn'teven do a thumbs up on that one.
What's going on? Why does yoursdo my thumbs up? Why can't
I get a little bubble? Idon't know what were you doing last time?
You were saying that you were excitedabout something, and then you were

(58:36):
getting all this cool stuff around.Oh say congratulations, congratulations? Nothing damn
it pretty birthday? No, thisis pretty cool. In my sack this
week h actually really cool. Ourguy Friar of the Change My Mind podcast,
of the book Boys, the hellt l d r t LD Draft

(58:59):
Game. You know, he's verysuccessful these days, he do. You
know, we all know, we'veall heard of, even us who aren't
comic book readers, We've all heardof the comic book writer Scott Snyder.
Yes, apparently he teaches classes.Friar is in one of those classes.
And Scott Snyder's next project, calledThe Cloakroom is coming out soon and it's

(59:20):
featuring short stories of members of hisclasses. The opening story in this book,
called The Cloakroom is written by NickFryer, and it's coming out in
like a month maybe or something likethat. It's pretty cool. A story
is called The Widow Maker. Thepremise of it is a biker queen ascends
to empress as she finally removes theorganization's long festering virus her husband. So

(59:43):
maybe some sons of anarchy vibes theresaw some of the art. It looks
pretty cool. So there's a kickstarterhere if you want an issue of this
comic book, this book whenever they'recalling it, you can donate too.
And I think the minimum one youget a copy of this and we'll share
that where we tweet at dorc alreadyhas you go Friar's profile to get it.
But the cool thing is they've alreadyreached their goal for the kickstarter,

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so they're getting it printed and nowit's just for if you want to copy,
go go donate. It's pretty cool, cool stuff, all right,
maccord, I've hit a point inthe episode. I am just fried Good.
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photo that we got at one ofthe comic cons at one of the fan
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is. Why, Yes, itis good. What are we gonna coming
up at the end of the week? We think Echo, We're gonna dump
at the end of the week.Maybe we do Echo dump Dune. Let's
go. Maybe we do Dump atthe end of the week, because I'm
also going to a very pinch fortime at the end of the week.
Okay, Echo's already done, thoughI know we also need to do our

(01:01:36):
vault next week. On Tuesday wehave I think we can do it the
next next because it is I thinkwe get an extra We got one more
week than anything. Are you sure? Yeah? The the Oscars are Sunday,
March tenth, I believe. Butthe issue is that we also so
our Dune episode, Dune Too Tunecomes out on March first. We are

(01:02:00):
recording our episode, our movie draft. The Oscars is definitely March tenth,
Okay, because well, our episode, our movie draft is also coming out
the week that the oscars are happening. Uh, you could do it before
that. We're recording the second,right, yes, so that you could

(01:02:20):
do it recording. Hold, Isee what you're saying. Do you want
to record and hold? No,we can put it in the two that
week could be the dump and Imean the the Gooby Vault and the draft,
so two three hour episodes. TheGoody Vault will be an hour.
My hand's hurt when I have toanimate live. Uh, I mean we

(01:02:43):
can have the vault out for theMonday after the Oscars too. Now,
now before it all right, we'llfigure this out, all right, Tuesdays
for Guesdays. I abuse Kangaroos.I E. Please flip the cassette over
to side B to continue the adventure