One Battle After Another

SPOILER FREE FOR 34 MINUTES - We discuss the new Paul Thomas Anderson film - 'One Battle After Another'

Written & directed by Paul Thomas Anderson and starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Sean Penn, Benicio Del Toro, Chase Infinity, Teyana Taylor & Regina Hall - When their evil enemy resurfaces after 16 years, a group of ex-revolutionaries reunite to rescue one of their own's daughter.


What did you think of the movie?  Was it Leo's best?  Are we dumb?



ALSO - We start a swear jar, tier how we'd feel being got by horror villains &  MUCH MORE!



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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, cou hand up, that's on me. I said
that I could name three Hinder songs. I sang Lips
of an Angel, and I'll sing it again if you'd
like me to. I'll always sing Lips of an Angel. Yes,
and I knew I knew at least another Hinder song,
so I was like, I probably know a third Hinder song.
Second Hinder song I knew better than me. I think

(00:20):
you much better than me. You know that one. I
don't know that one went through like their most popular
fifteen songs at Spotify. I only know two Hinder songs too,
so hand up. I can admit when I'm wrong. I
only know two Hinder songs.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I fucking knew it. Also, I only knew Lips of
an Angel because one of our teammates in hockey had
it as the ring tone for when his girlfriend called Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I believe it came out hot five, so smack dab
in the middle of our high school careers really good
era for butt rock and like post grunge sort of stuff,
and also a weird era where like grunge music met
religious music and you had like bands that were copying
creed sort of shit. It was. It was an interesting

(01:05):
time music, that's for sure, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
So I have gotten an F bomb out of the way.
You just said the S word.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
What I say?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
You said the S word, said Billy Goose. Yeah, you said,
silly Goose. I mentioned at the end of last episode
that for us to start making money on this, like
this is too good not to make money. So for
us to start making money off this, we need to
chill with the cursing. We need to stop with all
these words that YouTube doesn't like. It's killing our algorithm.

(01:35):
So we also talked last episode about how you grew
up with an opposite swear jar where you got paid
to swear.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah, no, that's not that's not a real thing that happened,
But in an hypothetical world that would have been awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
That What we're gonna do here, though, is I have
a piece of paper. I was gonna do a sound effect.
I feel like that would ruin the episode. I am
gonna track our swearing.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
All right, So we're up to two.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Do you have one? I have two? Actually, because I
said what you said back to you, you tricked me.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Are you keeping it separate or just Mac and.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Goo total Mac and Goo separate?

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Okay, all right, See we used to have an intern
that could do this stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Whoever swears the most, I'm gonna tally it up, and
the other person owes the other one money, the money
that we would have gotten from you too.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
This is this is manure. This is manure because you
know this is a fixed game. I swear more than you.
You have a five year old kid. You swear less,
you swear less.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
I'm thinking sixty nine cents a swear No, all right,
a dollar then whatever, a bio.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Slice of pizza for every ten swears that I have
more than you at the end of each quarter.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I do like pizza. We keep on adding shit on there.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
No, you can get up to a half a pizza
a year, every two years, whole pot.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I've got three swears now, So at the end of
every episode, we're gonna fire you.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Already made it a competition.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
And we're gonna start tallying pizzas. So one good.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Three, yeah, job three.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
King of Queen.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
MARYL.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Street Entertainment, I'm Goo and I'm Mac and we are
the Mac and Goo program. We bring you polycharged podcasts.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I really wanted to introduce myself as Jungle Pussy or
Goo could have.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I told you in a text. I don't think we're
allowed to say that.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Goo could call himself jungle gussy. Uh huh, I think
jungle goosey.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
We're not allowed to say it.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yes, I am, I'm totally allowed to say that. I
don't know. I like both things. I like jungles and
I like the other thing. We're talking about, one battle
after another, the latest and dare I say greatest Paul
Thomas Anderson flick of all time. This sort of snuck
up on us Goo. We did our movie draft. I
was reviewing the costs for some movies earlier today. This

(04:09):
went for one dollar in our movie draft, even knowing
it was Paul Thomas Sanderson and Leonardo DiCaprio. And then
I would say maybe four months ago, five months ago,
pre summer, as this was emerging from some of the festivals,
people were like, Oh, this movie's pretty fucking amazing. That
built up built, and then like two weeks ago or

(04:31):
two weeks prior to release, people started saying like Oscar Worthy,
best movie of the air sort of stuff. And then
Goo saw it a few days before I and undersold
the shit out of it to me.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
I told you. I told you that Academy awards were
gonna be sprinkled upon this movie, and I gave you names,
and I even gave you deeper things of like so
and so is actually better in this movie, but expect
this one to get an award. I did not undersell
it to you.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
You I think you did.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
I think you misconstrued what I said.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I have now seen the movie for a second time, Goo,
and I think it is one of the best movies
of the decade. And you could argue it being the
best movie of the decade. And after first viewing, I
was like, here's where we're at these days, Goo, Right
in Macngoo lore, a forty dogger gets to the pantheon, right,
that's so you don't want to necessarily pop in a like, yep, forty.

(05:28):
You want to sit on it for a couple of
days reassess. So I was trying to find reasons for
this to not be a forty to Hugger. And there's
only like one thing that I have questions about, and
I'm not even sure if I'm bothered by it. I
just have questions about it. So I think this is
the best movie of the year. It's the best movie
since COVID, probably, And I.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Thought you were calling COVID a movie for a second,
like that was real life. We all went through that.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
I think you could if you made a list of
the twenty best movies since two thousand. This movie is
probably all right.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
So beyond Max's recency bias, can you please tell us
what movie we're talking about?

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I already mentioned that goo Paul Thomas Anderson's One Battle
after Another obaa as it's been shortened to on the internet.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Oh, let me say this. I wish the movie was bad,
so our blurb for the DVD cover could have been
One Battle after Another One bites the dust.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, I would have crushed it.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
It would have. It would have been a Uh is
it the Wheel of Fortune that does it? Where they
combine things that could have been a wheel of fortune?

Speaker 1 (06:31):
No, that's jeopardy.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
How do think Jeopardy combines things?

Speaker 1 (06:34):
That is jeopardy? Why would wheel of Fortune do that?
Wheale Fortune does it too?

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I just fucked up.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
They both did it. They both did it.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Don't do this to me. Don't don't disagree with me
and then agree with me after it sends me into
a tizzy.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Twenty two million opening weekend domestically for one battle after
another easily Paul Thomas Anderson's most fruitful opening weekend, which says,
I guess what you need to know about pta movies.
It's up to sixty million dollars world ride worldwide right now.
It does have a budget of one hundred and thirty
million dollars, so it's got some work to do. However,

(07:11):
this movie's not gonna really have I think too much
of an issue staying number one for a month or so.
So I think it's gonna make its money back. And
because of the Oscar buzz it's got going, this is
gonna make money the rest of the year. I don't
know how much it'll make, but it'll make its money back. Well.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
I think it'll continue to make money as it goes along,
like a consistent amount of money because word of mouth
is good and movies that are coming out the next
couple of weeks, like you have the Taylor Swift's Release
Party movie coming out this weekend, smashing Machine that is
already being forecasted under what it was supposed to at

(07:47):
the beginning, So it has partially because a clear runway good. Yeah,
it is a clear Runway.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Smashing Machine, which we have both now seen. Pretty good movie.
I think one of the ten best of the year,
but not nearly as good as this movie. And I
think when people are gonna be given the option to
seeing that or this, they're gonna choose this, and they
have that option this weekend. Goot One Battle after Another
is an R rated action, crime, drama, and thriller. It
does all of those things amazingly well. Sub genres action, epic, dark, comedy, epic,

(08:19):
and political thriller. Now the politics. Let's get this out
of the way now so we don't have to talk
about politics going forward.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I only want to talk about politics.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Though there are clearly some real life things that influence
events in this movie. However, those events are not the
focus of the movie. They are an aside. They're happening
off to the side of what's happening. And people are trying,
some detractors of this movie are trying to say that

(08:47):
this is overtly political. It's not. Eddington is Eddington is
a movie that came out a month and a half ago,
two months ago. That movie is beats you over the
head with it. That movie is about politics. This movie
is about characters and communities and human stories that have
a politics adjacent.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Sorry, I think it was more poly charged at the beginning,
and then there is something that happens in the movie
that does bring it around it. We don't want to
spoil anything, we'll talk about it in spoilers, but I
do think there was something in it that kind of
pushed it over the edge of being a little more
political than maybe it would have been.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
I mean, you have a character named jungle pussy. You
can't have a character named jungle pussy. And you can't
count any of the jungle pussies, by.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
The way, what you can't No, no, no, no, no no
no no no no no no. You think you can
say it twenty times and it only counts once.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Collquial diction or a private part is not a swear,
Yes it is. You can say, dick is not a swear.
Dick is not a swear.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
That counts.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
No, it doesn't. All right, now, the numbers are juiced.
This is horseeshit. There's a swear for you. So this
movie action, crime, drama, thriller. This movie is also one
of the funniest movies of the year. The dark comedy
in this movie. He's fucking amazing. Write that one down
this movie. I laughed out loud, challenge me, I don't
know how many times goo and going back through a

(10:10):
second time writing down some lines and reading some of
the quotes on the internet, like, it's still making me laugh.
It's short of Friendship. It might be the funniest movie
of the year.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
The trailers for this movie, and by the way, it
was really heavily pushed out to the audience, but the
trailers for this movie almost make it look like a
straight comedy.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, I get the trailers due, Yeah, the trailers do.
So it is more thrilling and dramatic than the trailers
give you. I'll give you that. But it's also funnier
than what the trailers give you. They give you like
the lowest hanging fruit in the trailers.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
And I also think I mentioned this on our last
news dump there that I think fun factor wise, this
is Leo's best performance where.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
It's this or Wolf of Wall Street.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Especially after the time jump, it's almost like he is
he's in his own separate world as opposed to what
is going on around him.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, because he's because you can really see there's a
time jump of sixteen years in this movie after the
first act, and a good way of sort of getting
across what Leo or what Bob and Willa have gone
through is by what Leo is expressing and sort of avoiding,
you know, after those sixteen years. They do a good
job of telling all.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Let me ask you a question. You've seen it twice now. Yeah,
does Sean Penn look any different in the sixteen year
time jump A smidge?

Speaker 1 (11:27):
A smidge? Yeah, but he's also Sean Penn now looks
exactly the same as he did sixteen years ago, so
I guess it works.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
No, he doesn't. Have you seen milk, he's looked old. Forfy,
have you seen that episode of Vivla Bam where they
were doing this prank?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Probably came out fifty milk was like twenty ten. I
think it did come out fifteen years ago.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
He looks completely different. I don't agree the prank episode
of Vivla Bam where Sean Penn's son was helping Bam
get back at Knoxville.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Dude, this movie is two hours and forty one minutes,
one hundred and sixty one minutes, and it fucking flies
by the pacing in the movie is so impressive. For
a movie to approach three hours and for me to
never not once look at my watch, phone, whatever, and
get so sucked into the story and the characters is

(12:13):
so impressive, especially in a Paul Thomas Anderson movie, where
those movies he has a history of making really long movies,
and a lot of the times you're like, all right,
all right, let's kind of speed it up here. This
is a masterpiece. Skew. He finally did it. He put
all he used all his tools, and finally painted his masterpiece.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Let me point out what I think helps out. They
use a piano almost as if like it's like filling
in for like footsteps or heart beats in this movie
where the movie is constantly moving like jazz, and even
when the piano is going one way, it can suddenly
jam on and then go in a completely different direction.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
I specifically made note on my second viewing of when
the piano score really starts to take over, and it's
as soon as Leo Bob goes on the run, and
so now this piano score just sort of follow or
chases him throughout the rest of the movie, and it's perfect.
It's so well done, so well.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
And that could be looked at and I just thought
of this, like that's in his mind what he's so,
he is being chased, but he could feel like they're
right behind him the whole time.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, it's a really great decision they made there, Gou
On Roddy T's ninety six percent from the critics and
eighty five percent from the audience. So, like I said,
some of the detractors that you mentioned were more early on,
few and far between. Now a lot of people have
now seen this movie and everyone is loving it to
that point, Gou, I think this now holds the record

(13:38):
for highest Metacritics score we've ever reviewed. I'm ninety five
on Metacritic. I've know we've done a few in the eighties.
I don't even know if we've stiffed in the nineties.
Ninety five is the highest Metacritic score we've ever reviewed.
Of course, this is written and directed once again by
PTA Paul Thomas Anderson. He really first out of the
scene in nineteen ninety seven with Boogie Night. Now, I

(14:01):
would say leading into this movie, Boogie Knights was Paul
Thomas Anderson's best movie.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Also very accessible. That's what makes both of these movies
stand out against his other ones. It's about being accessible.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, you also have and for so well. I guess
I'll just get to it. I speak so nineteen ninety
nine Magnolia. I still haven't seen that one. That's the
one I have to get to. Two thousand and two's
Punch Drug Glove that I think has come back around.
That wasn't all that well received, and I think we
now are looking back on it, sort of missed out
on that. There will be blood in two thousand and seven,

(14:34):
of course, famous for Daniel da Lewis's performance and who's
the guy Paul Dano co stars in that Milkshakes. I
actually just recently.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
It's better than your's. Damn right, it's better.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
I don't care for that movie. It's it's really not
a movie I ever want to watch again, and I
don't know why I watched it for a second time.
Twenty twelve is the Master. This is where I'm like, Okay,
do I really love pta movies? I'm not sure. Twenty
fourteen's Inherent Vice some really good elements. Another movie that
I was like, I don't think I need to rewatch this.

(15:09):
Twenty seventeen's Phantom Thread I was like, this movie's made
for no one. I don't ever want to watch this.
Still haven't seen that. And then we had twenty twenty
one Licorice's Pizza, Licorice Pizza, and that's where I was like, Okay,
that movie's divisive. A lot of people hated that movie.
May I didn't love it, but I liked a lot
of elements of it. And we were getting back more
to the playful Paul Thomas Anderson that you sort of

(15:31):
talked about with accessibility and things people can relate to,
and that was sort of a precursor for this movie.
And ah, man, I just the more I've sat on
this movie now, and now that I've watched it for
a second time, I think this is easily his best movie.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
I could see that. I think I still lean toward
Boogie Nights, but I also I think the funny stuff
in Boogie Knights is truly laugh out loud stuff. This
movie did have me chuckling a couple times, but the
stuff with Philip Seymour Hoffman and with William H. Macy,
like that stuff kills me. In Boogie Knights.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, you know, I don't know if I laughed more
on Booie Knight than I laughed in this. I think
Boogie Knights is more uneven than this. This. I think
this is a better script. It's a better written movie. Now.
The characters of Boogie Knights are all time not that
these aren't either, so they're pretty similar.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Give it some time recency boy.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, I think I'm gonna be on the right side
of history here.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
I don't know about that, because well, Burt Reynolds would
agree with you. He hated Boogie.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Knights, Agoude. This script was inspired by the nineteen ninety
nineteen ninety nine zero novel Vinland by Thomas Pinchong. It's
amazing that this novel has been out there for that
long and it only I guess it's not adapted, but
it was only it only came to screen something like.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
It, right, and they would really have to like modernize
it with a lot of what's in this movie.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, And I'm sure, I'm sure it's just they more
took the themes than than anything else from that book.
But I'm sure that.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
There were books phones in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Correct, But you did see the use of some payphones here.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Who synopsis of one battle after another when their evil
enemy resurfaces after sixteen years, a group of ex revolutionaries
reunite to rescue one of their own daughter. Perfect, simple, concise. Yeah.
This movie stars Leonardo DiCaprio as Bubb previously was known
as Ghetto Pat aka Rocketman, Sean Penn as Captain slash

(17:28):
Colonel Stephen J. Lockjaw. He is the aforementioned villain, Benisio
del Torol as sense Sergio Saint Carlos and to goose credit,
this is the one tidbit that he gave me that
he's right about. Sean Penn is probably gonna win the
Oscar for Best Supporting Actor Benisio del Tour. They need
to create a new category so the Benicio del Toro

(17:49):
can also win.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Because he's beyond plemonade. He's in too much of the
movie for pleming. Yes, but he is the most likable character.
I think he'll be the character that everyone rote members
from this movie because there's a couple of lines that
are not throwaway, but they're like a couple of small beers.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
I think there's a podcast at brewin here Best Wingmen,
Best Wingmen, and he might be number one wingmen Best
Wingmen in movies. Be a decent I.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Take the drum, you can have the flat.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Those three, though, Leo, Sean Penn, and Benicio are all
three extremely different characters and absolutely demolish their roles. It's
extremely impressive, and then lesser roles would still mean a lot.
In certain parts of this movie, you have Tayana Taylor
as Perfidier Beverly Hills, Leo's love interest in the first
act of the movie, and then the mother of Goo's

(18:41):
newcomer of the year, Chase Infinity as Willa. I thought
Tayanna Taylor was very good, maybe the weakest of the bunch,
but she's in.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Would you watch her from Afar with binoculars?

Speaker 1 (18:52):
So that's a great question, Goo, if you had to
pick one person on the planet not named your wife
to watch from Afar with binoculars, who would you pick?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well, you're already taking my wife off the board, so
I don't even know what to think. I love my wife.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, good way to sit on the fed stair do.
Tayana Taylor was good. She was mostly one note. She
did what she needed to do. The most underrated character
in this movie is probably Regina hall Is DeAndre. She
pops up a couple times in this movie, conveys incredible
emotion while she does. I don't know if I've ever
seen Regina Hall and like in this series of a

(19:27):
role I'm not. I mean, I'm not the biggest Regina
Hall fan. I'm not seeing out her movies, but she
was tremendous in this movie. You have Wood Harris as Laredo.
You might remember him as Julius Campbell and remember the Titans,
but more notably as Avon Box, Barksdale and The Wire.
If you look at his known for on IMDb, the
Wire's not even listed. That's insane. A lot of haym
in Here, Heim in Here as May West, Paul Thomas

(19:49):
Anderson notably like the biggest Him fan on the planet.
Shana McHale is Jungle Pussy, who has a couple of
great lines in this movie. Paul Grimstad is how Somerville.
He's sort of the tech guy of the mall. He's
the one that makes the little beepy things vibrating things.
And then we have go two role players in there

(20:10):
and Here that are in maybe three scenes each, and
all of the scenes they're in, they're fucking tremendous. In
you have James Ratterman as Danvers. He's the interrogator guy,
the guy that's sitting people down. He is so calmly menacing,
it's incredible what he achieves in such a short time
on the screen. And a little background about him. This

(20:32):
is only his second movie ever. He actually spent twenty
years in homeland security, so he's actually coming from some
real stuff here and I think that's why it works
so well. And then finally go Eric Schwig as Avanti.
He was the bounty hunter that Lockjaw hires, who has
a couple of great scenes as well. Go quick fun
fact for the folks. If you have not seen this

(20:53):
movie or you want to see it again, shout out
to Sam Libby Macgoo listener. This movie was filmed on VistaVision. Goo.
Are you aware of VistaVision.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I'm aware of VistaVision.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yes, So this hasn't really been a thing that's been
used in thirty years now. It wasn't last It was
last popular in the eighties. The only remaining VistaVision theaters
on Planet Earth are in London, New York City, Los Angeles,
and at Coolidge Corner in Brookline. So if you are
in the area and want to see this as it
was truly shot, go to Coolidge Corner. It's a great theater.

(21:24):
And nonetheless, anyways, parking sucks, but go ahead. Parking does suck,
so take public transportation. But if you would like to
see this as it was shot, go to Coolish Corner
in Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
So we'll give Sam Libby a shout out for that.
We'll also give my coworker Kyle Bray a shout out
who was doing that as a story?

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Oh love that? Love that? And I might go see
it for a third time. Goo, that's so much a
third time? Yeah. Well, now I've been talking about it
for a week and my lady friend's like, wow, you
really like this movie. I'm like, yeah, maybe has she
seen ith? No, she has not.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Seen Okay, So I mean, why don't you see it
one more time by yourself and then one time with
her and that gives you ten hours.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
You just want me to have seen a movie for
ten hours?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I kind of want you to, yes, spend ten hours
on a movie?

Speaker 1 (22:04):
All right? Gil, do you want me to start with
my spoiler free takeaways? Here?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Spoiler free takeaways? Then we'll do Octagon.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Then will spoil This movie is one of the more
well paced movies I've ever seen. They could not have
paced it any better or for two hour and forty
one minute movie. The score, as Go and I talked
about a few minutes ago, by Johnny Greenwood, I think
is probably gonna win the Oscar for Best Score. The
piano keys that Goo was talking about, that's bouncing around

(22:33):
almost in pursuit following Bob in the second half of
this movie is so good. And I think I really
picked picked up on it more the second time. And
it's just it's quietly haunting and scary, and it really
like amps up things. It makes it more thrilling, more chaotic.
It's tense, it's anxiety inducing. And this movie, as intense

(22:56):
as tense and an anxiety inducing as it is, is
also so funny. It's like, I can't underscore how funny
this movie is. It you it gets super serious and
then a few minutes later your I was belly laughing. Anyways,
like it. It's just the way this movie's written was wonderful.
The three characters that we highlighted above Lockjaw played by

(23:16):
Penn such a wild character. He's such a broken visceral,
just a base person. He cares more about being honored
and his status than his actual self in self respect.
He's just so pathetic, but in an amazingly brilliant way.
It's it's a truly all time character. That said Benicio

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del Toro, I'm not like Lockjaw. You could see a
few actors doing that and pulling it off pretty well.
I'm not sure there's another actor on planet Earth that
could pull off what del Toro does in this movie.
He's just this like street level community hero type of
character who is call definitely quiet and strong and very

(24:03):
funny in several moments in this movie. Like I said,
all time wing man, I like, maybe someone out there
can think of an actor that could do it. I'm
not sure there is another one. You have Leonardo DiCaprio
playing this just Lebowski like character, like but to the
nth degree, this former revolutionary who's trying to cope with

(24:24):
all his missteps in parenting over the years, and he's
messed up so bad that like all he does is
smoke weed and drink booze and that's his life now.
And what this movie really boils down to, on one
level is how useless his character is, but he's just
trying his best and he's showing up in somehow, some way.

(24:45):
That's all someone really needs. That's kind of the magic
that makes it work. And also because he was so
good at what he did prior, he has this respect
and he has this built in system that is saving
him in the future, and so that it's just an
another great character. And then the last thing I want
to highlight before we get to other stuff is there's
like a five or ten minute maybe longer, maybe twenty

(25:08):
minute car.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
It also could have been shorter. I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I have no idea. I was so enthralled by the
desert car chase over these rolling hills that takes you
on a literal and metaphorical roller coaster ride, and it
ends in such great fashion. The way that he chose
to shoot this, like on the bumper of the cars
going over the hills was just it was really cool.
It was really really cool, and I just I can't

(25:33):
praise this movie enough. Gou It's it's a tremendous movie.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Do you want to shove the octagon in here?

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
All right? Fun factor? I think that Leo is wildly
fun And while there is one thing that I think
takes it over the edge for one character, like it
takes away the middle ground of like are they good?
Is there anything? The Christmas Society does have some funny
jokes and Christmas Adventurers whatever it is, it does have

(26:00):
some funny jokes in it. I'm just not sure if
I liked it overall. In the movie.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, you had mentioned that when you're like your initial
feelings were being divulged to me, and I don't agree,
because I do think it is it is a bit
fantastical compared to like real life stuff, but we also
don't really know real life. No, we don't know anything.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
I understand that.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
I thought it fit.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I thought it worked fine, but I did think it
was fun.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Oh fun factor, right, Yeah. So the two characters here
that highlight the funness and go on this buddy gop
a venture for almost an hour are Leo in Del Toro.
And when they're on the screen together, you're having fun.
You're having a blast. And for a lot of it
they're not even talking to each other. They're doing different

(26:44):
things but in the same room, and like what they're
doing is so drastically different, and it's really funny. There's
a couple of moments where Leo's outright screaming on the
telephone and Benisa is just calmly going through stuff. And
I also really loved when Benisio first walks into a apartment,
he stops and introduces him to every single person and

(27:04):
like they're kind of got to go here, and he
stops and introduces him to everyone.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, he also treats him like a child, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
But also with the utmost respect.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Well, no, it's not like he's he treats him like
it's someone that's either learning how to walk or learning
how to walk again, like some like he needs time
to like, you know, refined his steps. Deltero knows that
he has it, but you know he's he has kid
gloves on.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, And I kind of like that they give you
enough of del Toro to know that he's also kind
of a revolutionary, so he just would naturally know a
little bit. And then he at some point he figures
out Bob is this earlier pat character. And I love
that there's no big reveal there. He just like puts
two and two together satisfactor.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
It does get a little TARANTINOI at the end the
way that Tarantino tries to give you a big old explosion.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, you get that, you get the Tarantino ay thing.
But then there's like another ten minutes after that that
gives like an even more satisfying conclusion to account character
that I didn't expect. I thought it was that character
was sort of going to end when we see him
walking down the road, and we get an even better
ending than that. So I really appreciated that.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I think that end that you're talking about, the final
ten minutes was very Tarantino.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Wait no, I think the Tarantino thing was the road
that what happens on the road chase.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Now, because Tarantina takes that extra step to really let
you know, like I hate this person as much as you.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, but it wasn't as that wasn't as fantastic as
Tarantino would have made it.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Well, Tarantino would have had guns and Michigan.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's better, yes, but if it's better in this movie,
I guess, is what I'm.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Saying, Borometer. I felt the time a little bit don't
yell let me, yeah, let me. I felt it a
little bit fair enough.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
It's a long movie. I didn't I you know, what
to be fair just because of the length. It was
like in my mind while I was watching the first movie,
but the second time around it felt quicker than the
first time because I'm getting excited for certain scenes. You know,
I know it's coming.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Well, this movie Wayne over Time, Halloween, Mac, it has
to for you.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
I don't know. I think I had it maybe at
thirty nine when I left the theater and I talked
myself up to forty so I.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Think, oh, don't tip your hot dog hand.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
It's gonna be forty one in a week.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
It's a hot dog bowl. Let's see here. When life
gives you plemons, Jesse Plemmons hops on screen and says,
I'm gonna do the best with what I have these
couple minutes, and he makes the movie that much better.
I don't know if any smaller character made the movie
that much better because the main characters were so good.
I liked the nun.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
James Raderman as Danvers, the interrogator. He was good, totally
crushes his scenes and adds a level because with lockjaw,
you know he's a loose cannon and you're not really
sure what he's gonna do. Danvers, you're like this guy
messes people up for a living. This guy ruins lives
and he's not gonna go back on it. He is.
I also what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Liked that wife who had famous banana pancakes. Yes, I
don't care for banana pancakes, but I do you like
that someone would have agreed banaggs. I just like my
pancakes plane.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
I mean, I'm not a pancake guy. I'll let you.
I'll let you be.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
The pancakes are good on their own. We don't need
to put all this stuff in there.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Panky pancakes lesser kin toast, multipless pancakes, waffles.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Multiple pancakes are pancake.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Panky, lesser than French toast, lesser than waffles.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Go into a diner and order panka and see what happens.
What else do we even the Octagon Max Credit Union.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
It's gotta go to DiCaprio. It just has to. I
think that he's at his absolute best in this movie.
And you know, over the last decade or so, I
think he's he's had pretty up and down performances. I
loved him and Killers of the Flower Moon. He's playing
such a mean character there, and he's playing such a

(30:51):
good spirited character here, and and also a pathetic one,
but still a really there's just something about this character
that's like inherently great and you root for and want
him to succeed. I think he's I've thought about it.
And now there is a couple more movies coming out.
You have Marty Supreme, you know, so shallow May is
going to be in things. Jeremy Allen White will probably

(31:12):
get nominated for Springsteen. Yeah, there's another movie I keep
forgetting that's getting a lot of buzz too. But Leo's
going to be nominated for Best Actor, and I have
a hard time seeing anyone taking the throne from him.
I think he's gonna win his second Oscar for this.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
For those of you tarty to the Mac and Goo party,
we rate everything on a forty hot dog rating system. Mac,
I think that one of the character choices that we
get with Lockjaw kind of took me out of it
a little bit. I really like how fleshed out all
the characters are, how they give you that half an
hour at the beginning to really let you know what

(31:48):
each character is about, and then sixteen years later, how
they've evolved over time. Slash kind of Fallen Off Slash
I really appreciate too. And this is a little bit spoilery,
but I like how our heroes, our revolutionaries, when caught,

(32:09):
it doesn't take a lot for them to rat each
other out. And I like how it's not this honor
among thieves type of thing. It's still looking out for myself.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, it's a more honest approach to what would actually happen.
And it just speaks to like, ultimately, before I hijack
your review here, Ultimately, at its core, this movie is
somehow still a very human story, you know.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
So we love the score. I love the piano in this.
It really set the tone for the entire movie. Wait,
did I already say that I felt the time. I
felt the time a little bit. But I'm looking at
thirty eight hot dogs and I could probably be talked
up a little bit. But I don't think it's necessarily perfect.
It just might be one of the best movies of
the year.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
All right, Number one, I hate you. Number two? Do
you have anything above it?

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Things that I like more?

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Do you have anything above it? Well?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Is like in favoriting, does that mean better?

Speaker 1 (33:06):
You're making a list, which you do on letterbox? Yeah,
Is there anything above this movie?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
I would say technically no, Like, this is probably the
best movie of the year. Is it my favorite movie
of the year on letterbox? Is it number one?

Speaker 1 (33:18):
No? What's number one?

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Friendship? Okay?

Speaker 1 (33:22):
All right? Is this number two?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Superman? Wow?

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (33:27):
I love Superman. And let me also say this Peacemaker
is making me like Superman more slash. I started Creature
Commandos at the gym, so this is my new gym show.
I watch it while doing my elliptical and twenty minutes
in the first episode, cartoon nudity good thing to watch
at the gym. I'm just I'm there. I'm watching. I'm
watching hent die. Don't worry about me.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
This is a forty dog movie. It's the best movie
of the year. It's the best movie of the last
two or three years? Is it number one on your
letterbox's number one on my letterboxed out of thirty A
d I think I've got now. I think it's better
than anything from the last two, three, four five years
going back further, I'd have to look. And I've sat
on that for a few days now, and now I've

(34:12):
watched the second time, and I'm like, really sure of
that now too, So it is what it is. I
love this movie. It's now one of my favorite movies
of all time, and I'm pretty happy about that. Well
disappointed and Goo, but what are you gonna do? Is
what makes us different, that makes us great?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
I give you thirty eight hot dogs. It's an a
all right.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Spoilers spoilers, spoilers, spoiler spoilers. Goo mentioned in his scathing
review of this movie that the first thirty minutes set
the scene and really go a long way. And I
think my first text I sent to you after this
movie was talking about how basically the first thirty it's
I think it's thirty three minutes could have been its

(34:48):
own movie outright, Like there's so many things that happened there,
and it sets the scene for the next two hours
of this movie. But the first act is such a
great story in and of itself. You get the friend
seventy five attack on the border, holding you free, the people,
Perfidia and Lockjaw have that weird scene where she makes
them get in the direction, which once I saw that
what three minutes of the movie, I'm like, all right,

(35:10):
we're we're in.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Let me ask you a questionnaire. If someone's holding a
gun to your head. Do you think you could get
it up?

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Zero percent chance? Zero percent chance.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Even if they didn't tell me too, I might just
do it. I'm like the Incredible Hulk, you know how
he's always angry.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
You're always horning.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
I'm always horning.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
We get the montage of the French seventy five with
Bob and Perfidia, with their attacks bombings. We get a
quick look into really their relationship, how smart prepared and
calculated Bob is or at the time pat and how
emotional and impulsive Perfidia is. They're really really yin and yang.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Here, and also her rejection of being like she doesn't
want to be so planned out slash. She really wants
to fly with the wind.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yes. Yeah, And then we get the scene that Goo
and I talked about a little bit already. Lockjaw begins
stocking Perfidia. He's got his by Knox, and he's really
taking the sites in and it seems like they both
have this similar kink of a power struggles sort of thing.
He catches her in that bathroom. They go to meet

(36:16):
at the motel, and they're both into it. They're both
very into it, so that was like, all right, what's
really going on here? Presumably they do a little hanky
panky there. Then we cut Perfidia is very pregnant shooting
that machine gun, and their dynamic comes back up. Leo
is more concerned about her health, safety and pregnancy than

(36:37):
she is, and that's really what dominates their relationship to
the point where once she has the baby, she then
becomes jealous of her own baby, which is a very
real thing and a thing that happens. And some of
what I've read online over the last week is talking
about how much Maya Rudolph, who Paul Thomas Anderson is
married to, by the way, Maya Rudolph, his daughters, and

(36:58):
his own life experiences have played up in this script,
and you can really see it in the dynamic. Amongst
so number one, Paul Thomas Anderson has mixed children, which
we see in here. You see there's that moment where
Leo doesn't know how to do her hair, that type
of thing, and you just see that dynamic play up here.
So I think his own life experiences are really affecting

(37:18):
this movie and what in part make it a.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Masters jealous of my son all the time.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
The next events sort of pop Off. When Perfidia shoots
the guy in the bank robbery, they go on the run,
but she gets caught by the Popo five to zero.
Lockjaw helps her get a plea deal and she dimes
everyone out. Immediately she goes into witness protection. She's in
some you know, upscale neighborhood and everyone has to disappear.

(37:46):
This is where Somerville gives everyone those scanners and their
new identities. We get Bob and now Willa Ferguson instead
of Baby Charlene and pat Lockjar then goes to visit
Perfidia after he's been promoted to colonel, and he's expecting
like white house, picket fence, this whole thing, and he
goes in. This was the first laugh out loud moment.

(38:07):
Goes into the home, sees a note taped up to
the window and says this pussy don't pop for you. Incredible,
incredible way to get broken up.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
I also do love so when they're all leaving and
they're all getting their new identities. I love that her
mother was like ready for this to happen, and she's
just like all right, bye, see you later.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah. And there is a really interesting scene in here too,
where when Perfidia is still pregnant and her mom is
just like dressing Leo down like you're not good enough
for her, and it almost seems like she doesn't really
care too much about the baby either. She cares more
about la revolution than the baby.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
So it's very interesting, you know, years of being revolutionaries
and you almost like so she knows that her daughter
is not going to take care of the baby as
she should, as as you know, as a prototypical mother would,
and maybe that's how she felt when she was having
her Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
It's possible. It's possible. I think that's why you know,
at the end we'll get to it in a feel
like the end of the movie is pretty meaningful too,
with the letter that's gets left there. We cut to
sixteen years later. They're in bacting Cross a food Dude,
Dirty Wack no Mo, great song. We see Leo smoking

(39:21):
in his car waiting for Willa while she's inside at
karate with Sense and I thought that was a great
like open into the next set of the movie. I'm
not going to run through the rest of the timeline.
It's just watch it again if you'd like, But goo
what I think essentially what this final two hours of
the movie boils down to is you have this crazy racist,

(39:42):
which is the big part of the movie you take
issue with essentially just wants to kill his sixteen year
old daughter so he can join a racist club.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
So I just think that making him a white supremacist
making him a racist, which I'll be honest, I'm not
even sure if he is, or if he just wants
to be a part what status he wants the status
or he wants community right, But I think that you
could have made that high society club not be a
white supremacy club, and it's still the same type of thing.

(40:09):
I think by making him a white supremacist, and also
he is in charge of these you know, ice raids
and everything else, you are adding that little bit extra
that I'm not sure if you need it in the movie.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I think it really worked for me. I'm not saying
I'm not even necessarily disagreeing with you, because I do
think that that's going to be an issue for people
some people and maybe the people that didn't like it
probably didn't like that aspect, So I understand what you're saying.
It just really worked for me, And again, I think
a lot and because it's it seemed so genuine to
me too from the other side, from his own experiences.

(40:43):
So I think it just worked. But I think I
think the detractors of this movie will boil it down
to that it's two hours of a racist guy chasing
a girl to killer.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I would also say that, like, so after he you know,
brings flowers, brings po to his love and then she leaves,
like there's still a chance that he's not all bad
like he is he is on the inside, but he
keeps doing things of like i't.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Doing bad things, but he's not a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
But he's also like I don't really care about this job.
It's just my job type of thing. But then once
you introduce so like you're like, okay, do I kind
of side with him? Do I? I don't really know
who he is yet. But then once you introduce it's exactly.
But then once you introduce it of like no, he's
trying to join this white supremacy club, You're like, oh,
that's the bad guy. There's nothing redeeming anymore. It's just

(41:37):
here's white, here's black.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
I think you're undertelling that because I think it's because
in his head he doesn't want to do that, but
at such a base and simple thing, he knows he
can join that, and so he's trying to. He's looking
for a sense of community everywhere else and keeps failing.
So ultimately he's like, fuck it, fine, I'll do the
most obvious thing here. It's a Lockjaw thing, and it's

(42:01):
a defining characteristic of him that he's doing that. I
don't think it's lazy.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
I think it's I I never said it was lazy.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Okay, you kind of gave off some lazy.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Vibes, sir, Well, that's just me in general.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
The final scene of this movie shows Willa and Bob
sitting down at the table and she finally calls him dad.
The whole rest of the movie she's calling him Bob.
I think she's coming from a point where she never
believed any of the shit he said, and he still
prepared her for all of this, and she lives through
this because of his preparation, and then in part because

(42:39):
of that, but also I think because she learns about
her mother in this movie number one and number two,
she finds out that Lockjaw is her biological father, and
she realizes it took those things that Bob really is
a great father. He doesn't necessarily do anything great in
this movie, but again being there, being available and trying,

(43:00):
and there's some really nice things about that, Like even
though he failed tremendously at every turn, he's still like
he's still considered a good dad. And is there is
there you as a father? Is there something in there
where you like you relate to her? It puts a
smile on your face.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Oh no, So I love the father daughter dynamic in
this And also I think we've already talked about this,
but like, so Leo doesn't save her in this movie.
He shows up at the very end itself after she
saves herself, but she saves herself through everything that he
taught her through the years. And then not only that,
the the and not to put it all on this,

(43:35):
but like I like that she is in karate and
she does learn discipline through that, and that's something that Leo,
I would imagine, Bob, you know, has her do, has
her do to really work on her focus.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Right, And there's something really beautiful about that process. Thinking
about that for every person to think about, like in
the moment you may have you may not have done
the right thing, or he may have felt like you faltered,
but because of your preparation, your process over the prior
x amount of time, you still succeeded. And I think
that's like, that's beautiful in and of itself, Like, that's

(44:10):
really cool, And they do a good job of showing
that in this movie. Goo Lockjawn meeting his demise at
the hands of the Christmas Adventurers. I loved it. I
loved it when we saw him marching down the road,
king in the custle, king in the custle. I have
a chair, I have a chair. I was like, Ah,
he's fucking survived. And then one minute later he's sitting

(44:30):
in front of the panel with his messed up Michael
Myers ass face and he gives an incredible line talking
about being raped in reverse and the old guy leans
in he goes a seaman demon.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
That's a good joke.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, And then of course they gass him get rid
of him. That was a really fitting end for such
a pathetic character, still seeking approval from the people that
already knew he was he would never get approved. I
think I thought it was perfect for Lockjaw. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah. I also like it's he's just he's such a bastard.
He's just such an like. Even when he finds out
that Infinity chases his daughter, there there's no moment of
like what am I doing here? It's immediately he has
his mind made up and that's it.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
I also two notes on the Christmas Adventures, the jingle
bells being their secret knock great Merry Christmas Hill, Saint Nick.
All that stuff's good. Like that whole fake lord they
built up was very funny, dude. The only so this
is I wouldn't call it a gripe because the more
I'm thinking about it, I think I liked the decision.
But my my only gripe after my first watch, which

(45:39):
now I think is just questions surrounding it, is Perfidia
never comes back into this story outside of that letter
at the end, And it felt very obvious, abundantly obvious,
that she would come back into the story somehow someway,
and she just doesn't, so clearly it's an intentional thing.
This would be the question I would want to ask

(46:00):
why he didn't bring her back into the story.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Parents don't always come back, I.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Know, I guess that's true. And because if she was
a shitty parent anyways, and then the letter she asked,
will you try to change the world like I did?
So still try to influence her to be more like her.
You know, it's it's interesting. I think I like it now,
but it was. It's a curious decision, and I wonder
if some people also didn't like that.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
There's no attachment to any of it.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Goose some scenes here that I highlighted while rewatching. When
will his friends come and pick her up at the
house for the dance. Incredible, incredible scene with Leo. First
of all, she's chastising him for drinking and driving. He goes,
I know how to drink and drive. I know what
I'm doing. And then they pull her to the driveway
and he goes, they have a red car like that,
like he's just irritated, and he opens the door and says,

(46:46):
what up, homie. And then when he's yelling at her
to repeat whatever, and the kid turns and goes what
he goes, not usay, get the fucking car. It's just
it was like beat after beat he was he was
nailing him. You get the Green Acres, Beverly Hillbillies, Hooverville Junction,
that's their like safe thing. I also loved Leo's getting
high as fuck watching the Battle of Algiers when he

(47:08):
gets this phone call, the secret phone call, and that's
what sends him into a frenzy, and that's what really
gets this movie going for the next ninety minutes with
the piano keys, and it's just it's I mean, gil,
I'm not, I'm not. I don't divulge, you know, in
the weeds, you know, but I imagine that was a
pretty great depiction of what that situation might be like
if you were.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
In And he has that plug in block phone that
he's bringing with he's trying to charge everywhere.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
And then Bob arguing with Comrade Josh on the phone
for like a good thirty minutes of this movie is
is a high class comedy. He Josh telling him maybe
you should have studied the rebellion text a little harder
and hanging up, and then when he finally figures asking
what's your name, Comrade Josh, get a get a better name,
Comrade Josh, that's a fucking ridiculous name for revolutionary sense,

(47:58):
telling Bob what the time was. When Leo was trying
to figure out the code, he goes that's eight fifteen.
And then he calls in a grey Hawk ten motherfucker.
And then finally he gets the coordinates to the Chupacabra
Hill by his old comrade asking him, what's my favorite
kind of pussy? He thanks for a second, he hasn't
answered anything right in ours. He goes Mexican hairless, like

(48:20):
it was like yesterday. Uh. Once again Sense Bob introducing
Leo or Sense introducing Bob to everyone was great. Sense
yelling at the kid to get off his phone, and
then Bob thinking Sense's yelling at him was amazing. Uh,
Viva that revolucia and that was great. And then the

(48:40):
interrogator interrogating Willi's friends at the high school, he asked
the kid that picked her up, so I look like
your parent, and he goes kind of, of course, we
get a few small beers all timeline the Christmas uh
what do they call Christmas Adventurers talking about a possible
nugget short just because of all the people that were

(49:01):
being detained, and then the scene between Willa and Lockjaw
and that like big ass church was so cool looking.
And she also at one point asked him why his
shirts so tight and he goes, I'm not gay.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
If that's what you're thinking, that's your response to anytime
someone's ol mack. You have a nice scarfund right.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
This is such a fun movie and it was really
fun to watch again, which I wasn't sure. And this
is why I think it solidified my feelings on the
movie in it where it ranks in the pantheon of
cinema goo is because on the second rewatch it was
such a breeze and so easy to rewatch. And I
think I'll be getting shot shank by this movie for
the rest of my life.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Let's get into Max Sack and Max Sack could be anything,
that could be a boat. For those of you not
in the know, we just wrapped up sept and what
an adventure is be tiered so many things, and we
did a great job on all them.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
I would say, yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
I had so much fun. And now as we roll
into the spooky season of October, I'm thinking the theme
for this month oc teerber. Wow, I've never heard of that, right,
So what we're gonna do here mac our first tiering
of the month. Since it is spooky, I'm gonna try
to explain this to you, and I'm not sure if
I know how to do it. Okay, I have here

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a tear of horror movie killers. I want you to
tear them by how happy you would be or sad
embarrassed if you were killed by them?

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Can I change it, flip it and reverse it? Can
I teer it by who I think would have the
easiest to hardest time killing me, like who I might
be able to get away from.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
It's already tiered a certain way. I'm not making a
new tier. What we're gonna do is I'm gonna throw
a name at you. If you think it's someone that
shouldn't kill you, you say, I'm embarrassed by that. Oh
I'd be embarrassed to be killed by them. Okay, all right,
So the tears that we are looking at today at
the bottom is I'm embarrassed. Second tier from the bottom,

(51:12):
where did I mess up? How did this happen to me?
The third tier from the bottom is so you're going
to die? Fourth tier, gentlemen, it's been a privilege playing
with you tonight. Second from the top retoo pecked yep
and at the top theater refive pecked Omar no maar

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is better than Derek Jeter. He deserves more respect.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
I'm never gonna argue for Derek Jeter.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
So Mac, and don't forget you have stamps hiking.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
There's a lot of things here.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
There's a lot of fucking killers. Stupid h swore Again.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
I would have liked to teer whether I could get
away from them or not.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Once again, if you feel like you shouldn't be killed
by them and they do kill you, you're embarrassed, or
you say, where did I mess up?

Speaker 1 (51:56):
All right?

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Simple enough?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Mac?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Starting off with Michael Myers from Halloween.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
I honestly, as much as I love Halloween and Michael
Myers is a character, I'd be sort of embarrassed if
he killed me.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
You'd be embarrassed by.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
The pretty easy to get away from.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Wow, Because Michael Myers. I don't have the numbers in
front of me, but I believe has the fourth most
kills in movie history.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
He can't run, and although he showed the ability to drive,
I don't know if he can climb. What if you
just climb a tree and then now Michael Myers can't
kill you.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I forgot of how highly you think of yourself, And
you're gonna be embarrassed by all of these Chucky from
Child's Play, I'll.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Punt Chucky to the fucking moon. Not a chance Chucky's.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Killing me, So you'd be embarrassed again, Yeah, your god?
How about already the clown?

Speaker 1 (52:42):
I haven't seen these movies these what are these movies
that getting called? They've come out the last few years.
What are these movies called already? I guess it'd be
embarrassed because he's a clown, terrifier, terrifier, I haven't seen
these movies.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Be embarrassed by Alartie two. You can't be embarrassed by
all I don't.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Know what he can do, but if you get killed
by a clown, that's embarrassing. All right, how about Buffalo Bill,
I'd be less embarrassed. He's he's pretty methodical, planned out.
But then he's probably gonna do some word sex thing
with me, So that's a little embarrassing. So so you're
going to die?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I'd put him more in like, where did I mess up?
Because clearly I did something wrong where he was able
to take advantage of this.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Well, that's a lot. That's a common thing with all
these killers.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
I suppose. How about Candy Man.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
I would have to go refive spec for candy Man
because I don't. I don't. I can't really control candy Man.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
You know, well you cannot say his name in the mirror.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
But I'm gonna have some some fucking some friend with
some tomfoolery summoning Candy Man, and then there's nothing I
can do about it.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
How about a Dracula.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
I could see myself falling in love with a woman Dracula,
so retoo pecked on this.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
One, retoo pecked a Dracula. How about a Frankenstein monster.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
It's a lot like Michael Myers. I just don't know
how they like. If I just walked down the street,
I don't think they could kill me.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Yeah, but what if you're picking flowers by the river
and he pulls you in with his charm and then
he throws you in the river.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I'd be embarrassed if Frankenstein kills me. Freddy Krueger refive peck.
This is the one I like a sleep and I
don't even remember my shit half the time. Yeah, if
Freddy gets me, there's nothing I can do about it.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
What about ghost Face? And I guess I'll just throw
it out there as a big generic ghost face, but
you can look at individual ones if you want.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
I would say the commonality ghost face, right, it's probably
gonna be one of your friends or two of them, yeah,
or two of them. So not the most respect because
I'm getting betrayed, but some respect you wrote me in,
you wrote me in a little bit, I'll go retoo
pecked on ghost face.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Yeah, I would have it more in the gentleman. It's
been a privilege playing with you tonight. But I'm definitely
in that ara ya because there's always multiple ghost face.
It's not one person chasing you. Yeah, right right, it's
true Hannibal Lecter.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
So he's smarter than me, but he's also old and
he can't overpower me, but he can trap me. So
maybe maybe it's been a privilege playing with him. If
that's that's If he traps me, he gets me, and
I'll tip the hat to him.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
What do you think he eats first?

Speaker 1 (55:12):
I don't know what depends. Does he does he like
a fatty cut or I don't I'm not sure the stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
If anyone can comment in the YouTube section, let us
know what you think Hannibal Lecter would eat from MAXI
I would say.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Like hamstring would would be the first bite?

Speaker 2 (55:25):
You do have creamy hamstrings?

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:27):
The invisible man.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Oh, he's fucking invisible. So what do you want me
to do? I don't. I don't respect him as much
as I do like Freddy though, you know, so you're
gonna die. I'm not even impressed by him. That's too easy, although,
but the thing he would kill me with wouldn't be
invisible though. So I just see like a floating knife or.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
So pretty much out of nowhere. This guy pops up
and he kills you, and you're like, I don't really
respect how you just did that.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, don't care for it. Camper is a camper.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
I know what you did last summer.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
He would be getting revenge for one of my past disgressions.
I would respect the spite, and I have probably done
something to him, So I'll go retoo pecked.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
On two pecks.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Jason Vorhees, I don't see myself spending too much time
in the woods, although I just did a summer camp cop.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
What if you go to Manhattan wedding or space or space.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yeah. Yeah, he's a little more versatile than Michael, but
I'd still be kind of embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
So I'm pretty sure that he turned into a worm
in one of the movies. Then he regenerated himself.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Where'd I'd mess up with Jason? How'd I let him
get me? Where'd I mess up?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I kind of wish that I made this tier? Uh?
Where did I go wrong? The free Jaws?

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Where'd I mess up? How do I let a shark
get me? A fucking shark eate me? Well?

Speaker 2 (56:40):
I mean, if you're in the ocean, what are you
gonna do?

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Not be in the ocean boat?

Speaker 2 (56:45):
The Jaws can get the boat, though, You're what if
your boat's not big enough, You're always going to need
a bigger boat.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
I mean, the only way I'm dying via Jaws is
if I survive a plane crash in the ocean and
then a Jaws gets me.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Jeeper creeper.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
He's pretty creepy. I think he can fly. You can fly,
So I don't know how I'm supposed to get away
from him.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Most career kills in horror movie history. Too.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
He might like my skin too, I wouldn't. I don't know, gentlemen,
it's been a privileged playing with you tonight.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
I'll tell you what I think Buffalo Bill would have
a time with you, turn you into a nice Gaeta
boots with the Gucci suits. Jigsaw, I would be honored.
This is this is why I like Jigsaw. He gives
you a chance to get out. He doesn't have to
kill you. He gives you a chance to get out.

(57:36):
So the utmost of respect to Jigsaw, because he's given
me a chance, and I like him. I like solving problems.
I like puzzles. Jigsaw's giving me a chance. Five pecked
while you have a bear trap attached to your head,
You're like, this is my style.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
I might have to lose an elbow or something, but
at least I'm alive. Leather Face, it feels frunken steeny.
I'd be embarrassed if Leatherface gets me.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
And as you're trapped in that house, You're like, this
place stinks.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Like I would just never go to the house. You know,
I'd be embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
The Leprechaun, it's me, the lepre Kahn.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
I guess he's got some abilities. But also I just
pump him like Chucky.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
He can go to the hood, he can go to space.
I'm punting this guy, punting m threegan.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
So she's a cyborg, so probably stronger than me. Hey,
I yeah, she's smart too. She probably has maybe like
a weapon arm. I don't know. I haven't seen.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
She's also out for revenge. If you do anything wrong
to her, girl.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I wouldn't be able to get away from her. It's
kind of unfair, though, unfair playing field. So I guess
you're gonna So you're gonna die?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Do you want to Mario maker it? I want to
add unfair gameplay?

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Sorry, if there was one less tear maybe, Okay, So
where is this going? Uh? So you're gonna die?

Speaker 2 (58:53):
How about Monkey Bone?

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Where did I mess up? I mess up?

Speaker 2 (59:00):
I'm not even sure if monkey Bone kills anybody.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Yeah, that's why i'd be curious to be fair to
myself into this tear was created by the other Billy
d And I'm pretty sure that I meant to write
Monkey Shines, and my brain just always goes monkey Bone.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
He's like, should I fix it?

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Now?

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Leave monkey Bone in there? Okay, how about Monkey Shines?

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Is this from that movie that came out this year
or last year?

Speaker 2 (59:20):
No, it's the one from like the nineties.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Oh, I don't know what this killer is.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
It's a monkey comssed combssed. How about a mummy.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I mean, if you just had a lighter, you could
probably kill a mummy, right.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
You'd be responsible for putting the mummy out, though, as
soon as you light it on fire, you're like, shit,
now I cursed. Now you'd be like, oh, man, now
I have to put the mummy out.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
I'd be embarrassed if a fucking mummy kills me.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
That's a swear for you too, Norman Bates.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
So I could see myself at a roadside in um.
I would just try to get out of there as
early as possible, though, and I would never let them
into the unit. So I think I'd be embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
A regular guy, A regular guy who has a fake mother.
Speaking of mother's Pamela la vorhe's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
If a geriatric woman kills me, I've messed up. We're
gonna where did I mess up that she has the
opportunity to kill.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Well, if she's trying to kill you, where you messed
up as you're responsible for her son's death, or she
thinks you are right right because she puts you all
in the same cauldron.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
She generalizes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yeah, it's like you know you're name paying enough attention
to the kids. You're out there doing sex and having drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
One of the more visceral reactions I've ever had to me,
I said, where'd I mess up for Pamela? Come on?

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Is when Kevin Bacon gets the arrow through him from
underneath the bed. All time kill penny Wise. This is
penny Wise stinks. I mean, so what I have to
be like ten or twelve or I guess you could
be like it too. You're an adult. Huh. I don't
think Pennywise would get me, but I would have messed
up for him to get me. Where'd I mess up

(01:01:00):
for Pennywise to get me?

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
You're always looking down sewer grtes, that's my thing, and
you're always trying to get your paper boats out, so
he'd probably grab you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Then that's where where'd I mess up? I made a
paper boat.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
No, the Pilgrim guy from Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
I haven't watched that movie. I'll let you take this
one for me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
He has some decent kills, but I'd be embarrassed to
be killed by a guy wearing a mask.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Oh, actually that was my inclination.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
He does make one of the people not to spoil anything.
He cooks them like a turkey. It's pretty gross. Seen,
I'm gonna move it up. Creativity.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Pinhead, I mean I know Pinhead, and I am aware
of the hell Raiser movies. I don't know what is
what he can do, though, it feels like he can
do stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
He's made of leather, he's got pins in his head,
he uses chains him a pin head, He's got his cinnabonds.
So like they're all gonna get at you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
It seems like, so you're gonna die, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
How about a predator?

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Oh if if a prey I mean refive pecked here,
I mean, honestly, it's unfair. But if a predator is,
you know, taking me as a trophy, I'd be honored.
Wolfman so he can only kill me the full moon,
so I could just really have to stay inside, So
i'd have to mess up. Where'd I mess up for
Wolfman to kill me?

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Well, Wolfman can also enter your home. He's not a Dracula.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Well that's why I'm saying, where'd I mess up? I
live a door unlocked?

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Or how about a xenomorph?

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
I feel like with xenomorphs, they're not coming to the Earth,
whereas Predator's out there, so I would have had to
mess up, but I also would like I have a
little more respect than that. So you're gonna die.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
And then finally zombies see.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Love hate with the zombies, like, just keep moving, but
also I like to take a snooze every now and then.
So gentlemen, it's been a privilege playing with you tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Just keep moving. But also, my cardio is really in
the tank right now. All right, let's go through these
tears and Mac can move things around after if he
has to. I'm embarrassed Michael Myers, Chucky, Aren't the Clown,
Frankenstein's Monster, Leatherhead, Leprechaun, Monkey Shines, the Mummy, and we

(01:03:13):
have Psycho, Norman Bates, Norman Babs.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
I'm good with all those. I'm embarrassed by all those.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Where'd I mess up? We have Jason Vorhee's Jaws, Monkey Bone,
Pamela Vorhee, Penny Wise, the Thanksgiving Pilgrim, and Wolfman. Yeah
that works for me, So you're gonna die. Buffalo Bill,
Invisible Man, m Threegan, Pinhead, and Xenomorph.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
I think I want to move Invisible Man up because
if I know he's coming for me. That is sort
of a fun game I can play.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Right, doesn't sound fun at all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Carry paint with me around at all times, just splashing
it randomly in the air, thinking he's there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
I'm just antique and everybody, I'm just camraying flower around. Yeah, gentlemen,
it's been a privilege playing with you tonight. Hannibal Lecter, Jeeper, Creeper,
zombies and invisible man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Mm hmm, good with that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Retwo pecked a Dracula ghost face and I know what
you did last summer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Specifically a woman Dracula. I think I could get roped
in by her. If it was a male Dracula I
died with, i'd have to put where I'd where did
I mess up? But a woman Dracula, I think could
get me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
You fell in love with a Dracula. That's where you're
messed up. Yeah, I fell in love with a Dracula.
She's one and the din. And then finally re five
packed the top of the tier heap, candy Man, Freddy Krueger, Jigsaw,
and a predator.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Yeah, happy with that? Please with the tear.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Now we nailed another tear. Oc Tierber is off to
a swimming start all right Mac. Where can the folks
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a news dump and a Smashing Machine.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
That seems like another movie that I also liked a
little more than Goo did, so that'll be an interesting one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Well, he's more machine than smashing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
You know what this movie does. If you haven't seen
Smashing Machine, I do think it's worth seeing in the theater,
but it's not. If you miss it, you're gonna be okay.
They sets you up really well by calling it Smashing
Machine and then giving you such a human story and
such a like relatable story and a very base story
of like wow, like this is you know people similar

(01:06:00):
not UFC fires, but you know people that have been
in similar situations. So I will just say it's a
movie worth watching. Whether in the theater or not up
to you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Oh and then also not to get sportsy, but there's
been a topic going around today and we'll know the
result of the Red Sox Yankees by the time this
episode drops on Friday. But there is a Walpole native
that goes by the name of Kim Schlittler who is
pitching for the Yankees, and a story is that he
has converted his entire family into Yankees fans. And there

(01:06:30):
are some Socks fans out there saying, well, they must
not have been real Red Sox fans in the first place.
I'm gonna toss this out there right now. If my
son played for the Yankees, I would set my Red
Sox stuff on fire.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Easily, easily. Kind of hate the Red Sox anyways.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
I love them. I love the Red Sox.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
I have allegiances to a team just because your hometown
team is dumb. Find a reason to like a team
if you, for example, if a good friend of mine
played for a team. That's the team I'm rooting for.
Don't just root for the team because you live in
away from the stadium. Find a real legitimate reason.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
I live five minutes from the stadium, a stadium that
I'm never going. I don't want to go to again.
I don't like going.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
I'll got a fend away for concerts.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Oh Mac loves concerts. He loves music. He loves music.
So Tuesdays are goose days. I abuse kangaroos. Yeam Burton,
you gonna say bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
I was just thinking about the the irony of that
statement as I wear a New England Patriots for sure,
but I root for this guy because he's got a
cool hat.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
I loved the Patriots. I love the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
You know I did say this. I don't have a
hate for the Patriots. Letting Tom Brady go is a mistake.
My issue with the Patriots is we are never ever
gonna be as happy as we were when Tom Brady
played for them. So I don't know if I need
to be invested in them anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Right, you live life in a very weird way.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Okay, fair enough, Please flip the cassette over to side
B to continue the adventure.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Now it's time for girls jumping on Trampopa lize. But wait,
dish post credit. Guess what mac You lost the swear jar.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
I don't know if that's pot. Well you count the
jungle pussy, which is horseshit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
I only counted it twice, and you said it at
least seven times.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
What was the final tally?

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Eleven to six?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Okay? Well, I was praising the movie and you were
putting it down, so I was very ecstatic in my praise.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Do you owe me five slices of pizza.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Or one at the end of the quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
What do you consider a quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
At the end of the year, one quarter of a year.
If I am beating you, I owe you a slice pizza.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Just one slice? I want a full pie.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
How about this one slice from the John A Ryan
skating area, which used to have the best pizza around.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
I used to make that pizza. It's not the best.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Prior to you, Dick hid in like ninety nine, it
was like the best place to get a slice of pizza.
I'll get you at nineteen ninety nine to pizza, a
nerds rope and a blue power rate.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
You are five swears ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
All right, I'm gonna lose this easily.