Severance: Season Two

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Speaker 2 (00:06):
To your face.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
I'm Brian A, I'm Jeff Dam, I'm Billy D. And
we are here for our I don't know if I'm
an Innie or an Audi. I don't know. At any
point in my life, I'm definitely a split person.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
But I was thinking about this the other day, as
Billy has sort of become the shared universus severance experts
since you watched each episode like fucking fifteen times. But
the fact that you are already going by Billy D
is so perfect.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, some believe it.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Really it really works.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Me and not only that, I had one of those
belly button hernias, so I went from an Innie to
an Audi back to an Innie.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I would consider myself an Audi because I have to
be much different.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Wait are you saying that right now you're an Audi
on this show or just in general you're an Audi?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well, this might be a third I might be. It
might be a real JEMA situation for me, you know.
But I would say the way I react and act
on this podcast is pretty accurate to who I am
out in the real world. When I'm at work, sometimes
you can't be the way we are here.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I think I'm the same person. Maybe at work and
at home. No, I'm two different people. I'm three different people.
I'm definitely work Brian home Goo Podcast Goo, and I
would only imagine, like, you know, someone trying to discourage
me as like your home Brian A collects turtles.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
No, no, it would be your Audi like snaps. Your
Audi is very sleepy.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Your Audi was in a Madden League until he realized
that it was just too much and he had to quit.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Goo. By the way, thank you for finally showing up
to review Severance with me. I reviewed season one with
Keith and Davey because no one had really seen it
yet except for Keith, Davy, myself, and Billy. That was
also it also coincided with your trip to Italy, in
which you didn't end up going on because as you
got COVID.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
First time I got COVID. Also, the first time I
was supposed to go to Italy. We eventually went to Italy.
Second time didn't bring the sun. I'm actually pretty happy
with this because I don't know how that would have
worked the first time.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, that's fair. So to bring you back three years
ago and season one came out, I remember Keith looking
for someone to watch the show, so we could talk
to with he found Billy. They were talking it up, saying,
it's like the best show on television right now. So
I ended up started starting to watch season one the
day the season one finale was coming out. I ended

(02:31):
up finishing like overnight finishing. I watched all nine episodes
of season one in like ten hours. It was fucking great.
I loved binging it, and after that point I was
great to watch because I think you and Keith did
an episode on it, and then me, Keith and David
did an episode on it like two weeks later or
something like that, so it's good to have a little
bit of in between.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
It's a great show to binge, but I don't know
if I would want to ever binge it from here
on out.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Also, this must be COVID fog, because I thought that
you had Billy on our show to discuss sever and
season one.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah no, You've been saying that for the last couple.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Of weeks, and no one corrected me until Mac today, Max.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Like you, No, we did the we did the Breaking
Bad sequel show together the end of that one.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, yeah, whatever. But I listened to the episode of
season one and it wasn't you. It was Mekeean Davy
And I was like, it was so confident that he
convinced me that it was you. Uh Severed Season two
an Apple TV plus.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
You do not know how our show works?

Speaker 3 (03:30):
What you gotta hit the intro? One?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Goo three?

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, John three, King of Queen.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Mal Street Entertainment. I'm good and I'm Mac and we're
the Mac can Go program. We bring you an these
audies and all friendships in between.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
And today we are bringing you You know what why
this show works for so many people is you know,
Inny and Audi is very relatable because of what we
just talked about in the open, how different some people
are at work and at home, and how sometimes you
just have to tolerate friends at work. You know, you
have work friends and then you have real life friends.
And so I think this show is relatable on a

(04:27):
lot of leaves.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Well, also the whole thought of wanting to separate your
entire life work and home.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah right, make someone that I don't know that I
won't remember, do all the shitty stuff, and then I
get to enjoy the funds.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
It's like Adam Sandler's Click all over again. I'm sure
Christopher Walking pointed that out several times on set. He
is the crossover of the two.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I am very much the Audi always, except when I
meet somebody for the first time. I'm very much in
any which sucks on first aids because I usually just
I'm terrible because I'm not myself.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
People are always so disappointed when they're expecting to meet
a certain version of me and then they meet quiet
kind of sitting in a corner like this.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Oh, my friend Kevin was pissing.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
He was pissed. I'm sorry. I put all of my
energy into this forty five minute program, slash. I put
a lot of energy into work that when I'm out
of here, I am tired. I am nothing but tired,
and I don't want to talk to anybody.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
On the program. So passionate, convicted of whatever he's talking
about in his regular life. Eh, you're just like, yeah, sure,
why not?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
The best thing is about most things in life. I
don't care.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Uh. Today, boys, we are back together. I don't remember
last time the three of us all did in an episode,
but I'm happy.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
To We built a house.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yes, right, We are discussing Severed Season two, a season
of television three years in the making good. When did
you finally watch season one? Was it recently?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yes? I started binging season one so that I was
caught up up by season three or I'm sorry, episode
three of season two. Also, who's on the program today?
Did we introduce Billy?

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah? Sure, Billy De's are Power Body.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, he's from the Pineapple Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
And uh, what's the other one?

Speaker 3 (06:13):
PCP? Whenever scream comes at right?

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Alrightp that's right, whenever Scream is available, Billy's doing a podcast.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
And of course, if you're tuning in here, I'm sure
you're listening to hashtag dork, where Billy's been on there
every week, reviewing and talking about Severance weekly. So he's
deep into the so thing. He's certainly a much bigger
expert on this show than anyone else.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Whenever I had a question during the season, I would
message Billy being like, hey, I think that this Annie
is actually an audi or this audi is doing something,
and then he would go and watch a very specific
either elevator scene or a hallway scene to look at
the movement or like how people's shoulders are, to give
a little deeper dive, and then either say maybe or

(06:55):
you might be right. He never once told me he's
ever like, oh yeah, definitely, yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, I take out the iPad and I just figure
it out.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
And that's the thing about this season, right and the show.
It's so well written that things aren't clear until their
outright said so right, you could kind of lean either way,
and we're gonna get into a big thing in the
finale here where I think I feel one way and
maybe you two don't. It's not explicit until they actually
tell you.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's also not just well written, it's well thought out,
because you can still write things that you don't think
out all the way this show is clearly and I'm hoping,
and we'll get deeper into this later on, that we
have a conclusion either by the end of this next
season or maybe one more after that. But the further
that you try and stretch this idea, you might start

(07:48):
to lose control over what's going on.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
So far, though, the connective tissue that holds everything together
is ultra strong. Everything's lining up, and you're just like,
they really thought of that then, Like Dieter Egan, which
I thought was one hundred percent only in season two,
appears like a like a billboard and a forest in
season one at some point, so they were so far
ahead of this shit.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's crazy. Now for anyone listening right now, you probably
have watched it. So but if you haven't, we gave
you our elevator face. Should we give them an elevator
pitch of the show? It's to me, it's essentially, you know,
fifty percent of Lost DNA with a little bit of
like get Out and some sci fi thriller stuff twin peaks.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, west World season one.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
West World is good.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Sprinkle in a little bit of office fun there too.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, Yeah, more so in season one than this season.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
I think. Very simple is that if you like to
weekly watch a television show where you need to pay
attention to what's going on and try and follow the
breadcrumbs to solve the mystery, this is forty dog stuff.
I just kind of tip my hand there, but this
is the best of if you're trying to solve not
only a mystery, but a fucking weird mystery, this is

(09:05):
that type of show.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Lost was one of my favorite shows of all time.
This is already outpacing it by a wide, wide margin.
And the first two seasons of Lost are phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, because Lost you know, probably halfway through season two
you were like, I don't know if they know where
they're going with this stuff. Where here it seems like
and I'm hopeful for there is a clear end in sight,
and we were left off at the end of the season.
I really hope it doesn't go four seasons. I hope

(09:35):
it's three seasons and we're and we're done with you know,
I think we need one more season, and that one
more ten episode season should get us to where we
need to go.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
This show also has an advantage over say a Lost,
where Lost was tied to ABC and they said, you
have to give us a certain amount of episodes for
a certain amount of seasons, and they kept on having
to go with it, Whereas this is a streamer on
a platform that I thin I think just wants the
best quality possible, so much so that every year Apple

(10:05):
TV Plus loses one billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, and to that point, I actually do believe Lost
was conceived as a three season show, so it got
fucked up from that point on.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
It was so wildly successful they were like, you gotta
give us more.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah. And also that was twenty four episodes of hour
long TV compared to nine and season one.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
And ABC said, without you, we'd be lost.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Severed. Season two of course on Apple tv Plus pretty
much the only reason I have an Apple tv Plus
subscription at the moment. Again, we'd waited damn near three
full years for this season. It is a tv MA drama, mystery,
sci fi thriller, and I think it hits on all
those aspects tremendously. It's it doesn't just dip its toes

(10:49):
in any of those. If you just said it was
just a drama, it would qualify just a mystery, it
would qualify sci fi thriller. Same thing. It does all
those things amazingly. This season was ten episodes, totally four
hundred and ninety seven minutes or nearly fifty minutes an episode.
It's pretty consistent with season one. Season one had nine
episodes on roddy t Season two ninety five percent from

(11:11):
the critics, only seventy percent from the audience.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
I'm actually fine with that because I think a show
like this, you don't want everyone to like it. You
don't want this to be for everybody. Smarter programming isn't
always for everybody.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
It's interesting, though, because season one is ninety seven percent
critics eighty five percent audience. I find it weird that
it's lower.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
They got weirder, Yes, they got weirder.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
They dive into what you wanted.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, people, I always talk to you. They don't really
enjoy it as much as I do. Say, where are
all the answers? It's like reading a book getting to
the middle and being like, why don't I know the
end of the story yet It's like, well, because it's
not done.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, we're two thirds of the way.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
The Empire Strikes Back has more questions than answers.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Right right, You got to get to the end. And
they gave the best thing about this show is that
when they answer a question, ten spring out of that
one answer.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Also season one, they produced the entire first season and
put out the first season having no idea what the
reception would be if people liked it, so they might
have had it a little bit tighter, thinking this might
only be a one season show, whereas after that first
season they said, we know we have at least two
seasons here. We know we have more story to tell,

(12:25):
So they are stretching it a bit differently, and they
went a little bit on the weirder side here.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Well, season one also is because it's an introduction in
the beginning of a story, you're dealing with that natural
build up right in a wildly awesome conclusion, Whereas this
season starts up there and it is mostly up there,
but there are some dips, so I could see if
you're expecting it to be forty dogs every episode, maybe
you're mildly disappointed in the season. But I felt like

(12:51):
this kept up the tension that we built to at
the end of season one in every episode. It was
there in every single episode, even in the Cobell episode
that a lot of people didn't care for, and to
that point on Metacritic, eighty six season two compared to
eighty three and season one.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
And the thing I loved about this season is take
a show like Lost, and basically any show that's procedural
like Lost, had the same formula. This code switched almost
every single episode where it was all in these all out.
He's a mix, just Kobell, so you never knew what
you were in store for every Thursday or Friday night
whenever you watched it, and that was always a fun
ride for me. What are we getting tonight?

Speaker 2 (13:27):
This show is created by Dan Erickson, directed and produced
by Ben Stiller. Those are the two driving forces behind
this show. You also have executive producers Ericson Arquette, Patrisa Arquette,
Jackie Cone, Adam Scott, and Nicholas Weinstock synopsis of Severance,
which makes more sense for season one than I guess

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season two. But this is all we They don't update,
you know, never update them out of me.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Mark leads a team of office workers whose memories have
been surgically divided between their work and personal lives. When
I'm astereiou colleague appears outside of work ped it begins
a journey to discover the truth about their jobs. Now,
before we get into uh spoilers even get further, I
will say PD and reintegration ends up taking a massive

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back seat at the end of the season, and I
wonder if it was all just to like bring Kobell's
stuff back in. I was a little annoyed by.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Let's wait for spoilers on that, because I mean, I
have thoughts I have we have no resolution, like in like,
we don't know anything. Let's just get it out there
right now, US three, we don't really know anything.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, it's true, And to Billy's point. When we do
get a resolution, five to ten more questions, pop pop,
and I'm just so fucking confused the whole.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
It's like when you got the head off a dragon.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yes, executive exactly. I think this is the first show
in a really long time. I was trying to remember
the last one where I like watched it, thought I
understood it, then would watch a video breakdown and then
became more confused, but in a good way, because now
I'm thinking, oh, it could be this, it could be that.
That's like to goo'se point at the beginning. If you're

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looking for a show where you want to dive fully
into this, is it.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Like if you want a show where you have to
watch it with a notebook? Right there, I do really psychopath.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Bear with me with this cast list because it's long
and they're all actually.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Just rip through it. Everyone's good. We're not going to
stop you.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah yeah. Adam Scott as Mark Scout, Britt Lauer as
Helena Egan, Zach Cherry as Dylan George, John Taturo as
Irving Bailiff, Trammel Tillman as Seth Million.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
I will stop you right there, Sorry, I said, I
wasn't going to do it. But if I were to
point at one reason why this season is better than
season one, if I was to make that statement, it
would be because of all the Milt Chick stuff that
we got in this I thought his character was just
so magnetic and everything that he did. You have no

(15:59):
idea what the reasoning is, and I just want to
know more and more about this character. I prefer him
over co Bell from season one.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Oh MVP.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Absolutely Again, Let's save the remarks for the end.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
That was the one that I had.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Jen Tullock is Devin Scout Hale, It's Mark's sister. Dyken
Lockman as gem A Scout Slash ms Casey, Patricia arquettez
Harmony Cobell, Michael Chernis is Rick and Hale, Christopher Walking
as Bert Goodman, Mark Gella is Keuer, Egan Sarah Bach
gets introduced this season as Miss Swang. Sidney Cole Alexander
as Natalie klin olaf dari Olufsen Hell of a Name

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gets introduced this season as Mister Drummond. Karen Aldridge is
back as Asal Ragabi, Michael Siberry Sibbery as Jamie Egan.
That's Helen his father. Mere Weaver is introduced as Gretchen George.
Robbie Benson is introduced as doctor Mauer. Sandra Bernhard introduced
as Nurse Cecily. Gwendolyn Christy is back as Louren, She's

(16:52):
the goat Lady. Claudie Robinson back as Felicia from O
and D. We get introduced to John Noble as Fields
and Jane Alexander Cissy Cobell and exclusively in the first
episode and spilled over a little bit to the second one.
We get to three new office mates, Bob Ballaban as Mark,
w Aliah Shakat as Gwendolen Why, and Stefano Carante Karenate

(17:14):
as Dario r Who. I'm stunned literally just did one offs.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
So do you want to just dive into our nonagone
and go right to spoilers because.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Characters? OK, So you mentioned why this season gets kicked
up over season one. I agree, Milchick was a driving
force behind that. To me, it's britt Lauer. I've never
seen someone pulled double duty the way she does in
this show, especially in the first half of the season
where the whole audience she's acting it so well the

(17:45):
whole audience is like, I don't know if that's Helly
or Helena, Like there there are signs and there are things.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Well, I told you that it was I. You didn't
tell me it was I did, I told you, I
told you.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Still kind of don't know. She is so good at
the I've.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Told you to watch her shoulders Billy.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
But the fact that she has these different character notes
for the two characters is awesome when you really break
it down. And then I still think the greatest mystery
and driving force behind the show right now is her character.
And I think that's gonna play out in season three.
So that was my main thing to kick flip off
your mil check thing the other thing, and we'll get

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into it a little bit in spoilers. We get Miss Swang,
who really just stands as someone to round out Kobell's backstory.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
It felt like, ultimately, Yeah, she was good. I loved
I said this a bunch of the other podcast. I
love the eye acting from her. She made you uncomfortable
every time she was on. I thought she was good.
I'm hoping you see her again because they're sending her
to that special school that I bet you they send
all of those people to so maybe she'll be back
in season three.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Billy, I'm gonna ask moving forward that you don't mention
the other podcast. You are on this podcast. This is
the Billy that we want. I want you to have
no thought of the other podcast.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
This is Audi Billy.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
And then a couple of things to remember from season one,
and I think we kind of forget this. It gets
lost in the shuffle. Mark only joins Lumen and gets
severed to cope with the loss of his wife. So
when we talk about the finale of this season, we're
gonna have to remember that there could be some other
people behind what's going on to get Mark into Lumen

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in the first place. Number two. Season one did very
small world building. This season world built the shit out
of whatever world were, and they did a great job
continuing to build the egans in Lumen. I love that aspect.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Is this spoiler ish, but I still have no idea
what the aesthetic of this world is, Like we see
what it is, we see, I guess we see how
like there's there's no time description on really anything in
this world, either at Lumen or outside. Everyone's still dry.

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Having these cars from like the eighties and the nineties,
but we have smartphones. Yeah, so let's save that for spoilers.
But like, that's something that I thought that they might
start to answer, and they still haven't done much with.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
They have Dylan going car shopping in one of the episodes,
like what is he gonna pick out a new ninety five? Jenim,
what's going on?

Speaker 1 (20:19):
What date? Is it? The times right now?

Speaker 2 (20:22):
And then again to refresh anyone's memories because it was
three years, but I don't know how you could forget.
We finished season one with Marx yelling she's alive, referring
to Gemma, and then we cut to black and we
waited three years. And I think again, what we already
mentioned why season two might be superior is that note
that we leave on, like the pulse of the season

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is up there the whole time.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Also the finale of this season. Really you need to
make a decision, you do, not what's on the screen,
because on the screen for season one, it's an answer.
What we have in this one is we have an
action that then you either feel a certain way about
you can't stand or you kind of understand, like it's

(21:08):
it's more about like this is more of a talking
point of a finale where like you're gonna have an
opinion on it the finale in season one, it's pretty
cut and dry.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, yep, that's a good way to summarize it.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Want to do the nonagon, Yeah, let's do all right.
Fun factor and this is really this is the funnest
show going right now when it comes to watching it
week to week and in the six days between seeing it,
trying to understand and put pieces together.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, it's it's a it's a it's a great show
to investigate things and like try to find stuff out
without the help other people, and then you inevitably need it.
I will say the plot of this season decidedly less
fun than in season one. A lot more hide thinks
in season one.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
I'll also say too, that this is a show that
like you need to think about, like you think, think
out what you think might happen, but then like you
don't want to throw it at someone else because it
might be stupid, Like you don't want.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Someone else to think that you're stupid if it stakes.
This was the most fun I've had in a long time,
because it's been so long. Maybe the boys hit this
every once in a while. A few years ago where
I was excited for Thursday nights at nine o'clock.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
I would say, WandaVision was the last one where like
there was the intrigue at the end of every episode
where they led you into the next one. This is
this is a better television show. Though, I'll just say
that satisfactor, how satisfied are you? And the finale and
we're not going to go deep into it right now,
we'll get into it in spoilers had the most of

(22:41):
me raising my eyebrows or going like this, give them
like the whoopee glasses of like lower my head and
saying that what like what what is happening? Yet everything
builds to something that then you say at the end,
I either like it, I understand it. I can't fucking
stand that. Guy.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
I was cheering at points and I was yelling for
people to go into rooms at points I was I
was extremely satisfied and like active during the episode.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
You were like an audience member of our cinem I
was like, are they doing that?

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Is that what they're doing right now? Uh?

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, A truly great finale, and I think our next
twenty five to thirty minutes of conversation will decide whether
I was satisfied by it or not, because I would say,
going in, I'm not satisfied. But that's okay. I liked it,
I like where it's going, but I'm actually tremendously frustrated
with what happened.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
But that's what they want from you. They want that
visceral reaction to what happened. Yes, exactly, borometer, were you
bored during this season? Now? I will say this, and
this is a nitpick, the Kobal episode. While I think
the final five ish minutes did give you something satisfactory
at the end, I did find it to be boring,

(23:54):
but it's something that you do need on the show.
The one thing that I if I'm allowed, I'm gonna
winning writer what I would have done on that episode,
because it was also the shortest episode of the season.
I might have cut a b story into it. I
might have just had maybe it go away from what
she was doing a couple times to not have you
focus entirely on that story. But that's just me. I'm
a Nobel winning prize running writer.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
And an orator right there. No, I don't think it
was super boring, even that episode. I think they did
it purposefully to kind of slow you down and then
speed you up. But I will say anybody who has
a problem with it being like that, I get it. It.
It wasn't the most riveting comparatively, but I kept pausing
every five minutes to be like, all right, how much
time we have left? Is what's gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah? In my mind, everything in this show means something,
at least hopefully, So I was not bored at all.
I was actually like, because I've been I've been waiting
for it, Like koe Bell's built up so much in
season one and then she kind of disappears, so like,
we know she's coming back in and we need to
know more about her. I was actually like, oh, I
now understand her motivations, completely understand why she's so attached

(25:02):
to things, and she's going to be a meaningful character
big time in season three. So I thought it was
not only necessary but actually fascinating for the character.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Plus, you love huffing paint, so that fit you.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, that's a big, big pastime of mine.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Halloween. Will this wane over time and shows like this,
I do feel it is gonna happen because you're losing
that excitement of going from week to week and seeing
it for the first time. So that's just a it's
a natural thing for a show like this.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
For me, it won't.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
I have so many, you know, like potential future girlfriends.
I'm gonna show this too, hopefully, and I'll be just as.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Successful in your accounts? Is that in your dating accounts?
I'm gonna show you severance pretty much, Yeah, which is
what Dahmer did when he sat all of his girls
flipped on the TV to a certain television.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
I don't know if I said this in that podcast
chat or maybe to you, gou, but my hope for
this the end of the season was that it kind
of ends up like the final three seasons of Breaking
Bad three, four, five, or maybe four and five, where
it's a massive explosion of a conclusion, but it is
a little unsatisfying or is a little incomplete, and then

(26:09):
we get an additional season that's a little separate but
is also great in and of itself, and I think
we may have gotten that.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, this feels more like the end of season three
of Breaking Bad, because it seasons three and four felt
like one long season or one long story. Yeah, whereas
four to five you felt like you got that conclusion
at the end of four.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Season four of Breaking Bad didn't have a lot of
places to go where I feel like this has a
ton of place you can go.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, so I think maybe it's more comparable to season
three of Breaking Bad.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Then let's go to a quarter world. Does this movie
or is this television show better than the nineteen ninety
five classic water World?

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Get that cot out of my face?

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah, I would say so.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Kevin Costner should pop up in this show, though preferably
as a mermaid. When life gives you plemings, you make plemonade,
And I ask you, Mack, who did that?

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Been a hard time deciding here, so maybe you guys
can help me out with the plumbingade here. Every time
Natalie pops up, he's great, and there's still a mystery
surrounding her. Every scene Gretchen was in with Dylan was awesome.
She acted her ass off. Doctor Mauer is terrifying, but
also like you're intrigued as to why he so invested
in certain things. Fields pops up for one episode and

(27:22):
you're like, there's so many things going on here that
are completely unexplained. And then you also had walkins Bert
that only popped up a couple times this season, so
maybe could qualify, as I would.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Say Bert if it's if he counts. If not, definitely
Fields Fields killed me because we're using protection down there,
I'll tell.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
You that, and because there's still something there that like
doesn't get really addressed at all in the finale. It's
almost like purposefully unspoken about. So the Fields in Burt
thing might be the leader there.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Pants tensity, excite bike mania, what got you going from
this show? It so like the last half hour of
the season of that, like that is pure pants tent,
whether it be confusing boners or exciting boners, it's really
it is all pants tent. But there is some dialogue

(28:15):
in this season, mainly by Milchick that fucking killed me.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, the miltcheck stuff was great, But I'm telling you
one of the more satisfying moments in recent television history
is when Irving is drowning Helly and Seth has to
take out the walkie talkie.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Do it, Seth?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah? It was so good. It was like I got
like chills watching it. I was so happy, so satisfied
because us as viewers, especially US three, had sniffed that out.
But there are a lot of people that didn't, and
that was must have been a mind blowing moment for
him where it's just really satisfying for us.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
The cold Harbor room entrance and that little exit from there.
That was it for me because that's what you're waiting
for and you got it.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
And then you also have a couple other things in here,
like every time we go deeper in this lumin building
and property, you're like, what's what are the possibilities here?
I loved the Mark conversation with himself and the finale
that was great as well some of.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
The best editing I've ever seen storytelling wise, it was brilliant.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
It was awesome. And then even though Goo maybe didn't
care for the episode, what the Kobel episode gives us
informationally is kind of a pantch tent.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
I didn't say that I did not care for it.
I said, if I'm allowed to nitpick on this hour
long podcast, that's what I said, with sure, sure, Sure. Also,
I think maybe the hardest that I have laughed at
anything in a long time is when Miltchik is asked
or told to apologize for using a big word Max

(29:44):
credit Union, Max, who are you giving credit to.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
To me, it's an easy, easy decit in here. Britt
Lauer pulling double duty and purposefully trying to throw off
the audience and the people in the show was unbelievable,
and like again at the end, there's a big common
station to be had about what's actually going on there.
I just think she was amazing. If she doesn't win
an Emmy for her role this season, we riot.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
I think you're gonna see multiple emmys from the cast.
I think you might see three emmys. Adam Scott. What's
the fellow's name that plays Milchik, Trammel, Tillman, I would
say him, and then Helly. I think all three of
them will.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
I wonder if she gets supporting her lead. She should
be a lead, but she might end up being.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
It might be supporting.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
She should be up for lead. You can have a
female and a male lead.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Right could the best supporting actor? Could they lose votes
to each other? Is it like MVP?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
No, because I think because it's probably female male right.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
So now what I'm saying though, is I think that
like Dylan g and Tudor Row also need to be
considered as well.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
That happened a lot and lost yeah, people would get
like a massive cast.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, to that point as well, through the first four episodes,
Irving was the MVP.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
He was. He was amazing in that. And I because
the season we say, we say the season is long,
it's only ten episodes, but because the season is you know,
longer than what we got, like you almost forgot.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
The episodes, but it's like eight or nine hours, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
It's also like it's a lot to ingest in your
brain as well, so like you almost forget about tut
Row in this season.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
It's a good point.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
And I would say if you did a tabulation of
Milchek's time on screen, it's probably pretty low. He does
a lot with a little in that episode where he's
just streaming in the Mira. He's in that episode for
like five minutes.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, unbelievable job done.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Are you saying right now that he's a bit of
a beatle juice, he's a bit of an animal lecter.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
He's not probably tallied more than fifteen minutes in any
given episode, maybe say Woa Woa's hollow. He's only in
those little scenes and he is standing out above everybody.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
That's a very strong point for.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Those of you Tarty to the Mac and Goo party.
We rate everything on a forty hot dog rating system.
We just talked about all of this. I think this
is the best when it comes to week to week intrigue.
This is forty dogs. The acting is amazing, The thought
in this show is amazing. The writing is very good.
It's funny, it's intriguing. It's just weird enough. It does

(32:16):
sometimes I'm not in love with the goat stuff. We're
gonna find out more about the goat stuff, I think,
but this is just good. Put your phone down, shut
the fuck up. If you're sitting with someone else, we're
watching Severance.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
I'm not ready to give it forty for a couple
of reasons. But if you go back to Halloween and
we're talking about breaking bad, how the next couple seasons
build into what those seasons built, maybe it does go
up a dog. My initial reaction was thirty eight. I
gave Season one thirty six. I wanted to say thirty
eight on this. I might be thirty nine because it

(32:53):
has dominated my brain space and my mind so much
since I've watched the finale. But there's also few things
I actually don't like, and we'll get into it in spoilers,
but again they could be purposeful. We just don't know
that yet. So I'll go thirty nine with the possibility
of it going up or down a dog.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
I'm gonna go forty one just to even and op
for everybody. It's perfect and not only all the things
that Goo said about this show. This cinematography and editing
is world class, some of the best I've ever seen.
The Gema flashback episode was one of the best television
episodes period, from every aspect of it, literally every aspect

(33:35):
was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
That reminded me of the what was an episode three
of The Last of Us when they tell that love
story within that world too?

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Like that was that was next Live also started the
season with that running sequence that took them like five months.
That was completely worth it. What a way to start
the season and set up the season too.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, so to you, I'm not like so the quality
of the show is there. However, when you when you're
dealing with like sci fi and some time slipping, sometimes
things might not connect. And that's all I'm leaving open
there is.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
I'm going to be a rationally mad in like ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
What a way to sit on the fence by the
way being like, I'm thirty nine, but I could be forty.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
It's the best season of television I watched this season
one of the Last of Us. Last of Us was
a forty dog season.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
It's okay to have two forty dog seasons.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I agree. I don't know if you was there for me.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Shall we get to spoilers?

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, let's spiler spilers episodes real quick. If you really
want full episode breakdowns, go listen to Billy on hashtag
door the Other Billy literally they did it weekly. We'll
name the episode real quick. If you want to chime
in with something here, please do uh. The season opener
was Hello and Miss Kobell. This is where Mark comes

(34:47):
into the office with a new team.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
The opening running sequence is amazing in there, and I
did think that at some point in the season they
would bring back that other cast of characters to do something.
But I'm also final with them using them as just
like a throwaway and they don't mean anything.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Great easter egg though, for maybe when she's like our
our robots, like we're animatronic and they moved and then
in the last episode he's moving around.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, good point. I didn't even catch that episode two,
Goodbye Miss selvig Audi, Mark contemplates the meaning of a message.
Looman is grappling with the fallout from the overtime contingency,
and what we also find out in these first two
episodes is they straight up lied to Mark. It hasn't
been five months, you know, there was they didn't make
it into the paper, like they're just trying to, you know,

(35:34):
get Mark back to work.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
This was the biggest o shit in moments besides the
end of season one, of the whole series to this point,
because you're finding out so much about everybody, especially like
Dylan and Milcheck and what's going on with them. This
was a great episode, one of I would say the
top four of the series.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, the early the first four episodes is a lot
of them trying to build the trust back up between
each other, Dylan having the existential crisis of like what
is the point of what I'm doing in here? And
you also find out the backstory of him like kind
of being a loser, yeah, not having that same personality

(36:12):
on the outside knowing, and I think his character really
does sell the fact that it's two different people, it's
an inside and an outside and they have nothing to
do with each other, and it's.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
It's funny to think about too, like you would say
that Mark Helly and Irving, although their innies and outies
are different, a lot of the same character notes, whereas
Doing's they were completely different. And from the beginning of
season one to the ends of season two, his any
probably changes the most.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Well, he seems like he was beaten down by a
wife and children, and he used to be like it's.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Who among us? No also, and well, we also got
these first couple episodes of so you're saying he's a
night god. No, oh, yes, Tudoro kind of slipping into
like a walk in a little bit when he was
doing it. But the two of them on the screen
together later on was also great.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Episode three, Who was Alive? The Squad's all back together
at Lumen uh, and they're like, finally all on the
same page, trying to figure out what Lumen could be
up to. But more and more in the back of
your mind, you're like, Helly's Helena's behind enemy lions here,
this is Lena, this is not Helly. So they need
to watch what they're doing and saying you sure about that?

(37:26):
Woes hollow episode four. This is the retreat they go on,
which I guess presumably we have to assume it's in
the building somewhere. I don't think they're outside.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
I don't know. The building goes forever. That's also what
we discovered because I guarantee you it goes to the
Egans house when they show that shot. It goes forever.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
They also have the protocols where they can switch them
to the innies on the outside as well.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, it's just like with some of the physics of
what's going on on the outside. It doesn't feel like
it's outside, But again, we don't know what actual world
we're in. This is where Mark fucks Helena and you
we're like, oh, he's getting flashbacks of Gemma. But more importantly,
this is where Irving finally outs Helly as Helena because

(38:11):
he says, and I think we should remember this when
we get to the finale, Helly was never cruel and
it's such a It's it's not like something that she like,
it's who Helly is. And I know once we get
to the finale and he's are making a change in general,
but I think we should remember that also.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
While this show gets horny in a couple of these episodes.
This is one of the unsexiest shows of all time.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
In terms of like colors and what they're wearing.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
In terms of like the sex, it's not very sexy.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
It's pretty cold, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Thought it was pretty hot.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
What are you talking about? That was pretty accurate. Last
about thirty seconds under a tables Trojan's horse Irving's gone.
Milchik gets his progress report and is this the episode
where Helena meets Mark in the restaurant. Yes, yeah, that
was the big thing there, really creepy scene there Milchick

(39:11):
getting his progress report and it being like laming, like
it being so like that I love about this shows
all the underlying stuff is like like, I don't even
know how to describe that. It's just it was unbelievable,
Like that was laugh out loud seeing him getting that pan.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Oh, and then the if it takes over three hours,
we'll order lunch. I hope it won't take over three hours.
Here's the lunch menu. Just like that's perfect workplace comedy stuff.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
His reaction to this stuff is just so good as well.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
It's fucking great and the best part about him still
you don't know what his motivations externally are which is
a theory of mind coming later.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, and that and that's gonna hange upon whether my
score may go up or down this season in the future,
because I was pretty bummed to see his actions at
the at the end of the season, episode six Attila.
This is where Mark now bangs Helly, he's now double
dipped Irving, goes to dinner at Bert's. We meet Fields
and this is also the episode in which Mark officially

(40:09):
decides to reintegrate give her Gabby everything she needs to do.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
This might be the Chinese food moment, because that's when
he does break.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah. This is that episode, Episode seven, Chickai Bardo. This
is the episode Billy was talking about. This is Mark
and Jemma's backstory. It's incredibly well done. It's emotional, it's sad,
it's and it gives us because we've this whole season.
End of season one, she's alive. We're talking about Gemma.
We're really trying to figure out what the fuck's going

(40:39):
on with jem since that moment. Yeah, and what's going
on what happened between her and Mark, And we get
most of that.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
And you get the whole testing floor and all that shit,
all those rooms that she has twenty five, twenty four
different personalities, how important she is to this process? And
you also, somebody pointed this out, get a couple other
like sheltery rooms that are in that area, which means
they're probably other people.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Just like, Yeah, that's a question that is definitely raised
by what the hell the other MDR people are doing
are they? Are they facilitating Mark's work or are they
working on other people? Right? And we won't have that
answer for a bit.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Do all of those other people also have to do
with Mark?

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah? I don't know. That's that's like one of the
bigger mysteries still surrounding.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
What does the brother in law have to do with this?

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Right?

Speaker 3 (41:25):
That's the biggest miss from this entire series because Ricken
in season one would have been my plemonade, maybe my MVP.
He's one of the naturally most funny characters on TV.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Ever, well, especially when they reached out to him about
the book almost being gospel and changing some stuff around
for Lumin. I'm like, right, does he have something to
do with Lumin?

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I read the book. It seems like from the book
nothing but the way he switched so quickly something.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I'm sorry, Billy, can you please step back and see
and Natalie is in.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Natalie goes to Devin and Rickens home like there's fucking something.
There's something there. And I'm not saying Devin really changed
her actions, but the fact that she was willing to
leave her infant son for two days and Ricken and
like that was fine. That was fucking weird too.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Her facial acting throughout the course of the last few
episodes leads me to believe she's up to something.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
I don't know what it is. And she was so
quick to go to Cabell too.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Billy. What was in the book?

Speaker 3 (42:20):
So it's basically the beginning of his life and his
life's story, and that he was actually closer to Jimma
than Mark was, and that him and Mark have always
had a little friction. They had a huge falling out
after the death of her because he basically said, you're
a joke. She didn't even like you. We made fun
of you all the time type of stuff. But he
was also birthed by two like performance artists, mother and

(42:43):
father there abandoned their group was called Hump Dumpster. So
he's like an odd guy like the reason he's so
weird is because his parents are so weird. So I
don't know if that whole autobiotgrag like the uu are
is like fake and he's just like allumin Plant all along.
But if he he's true to the book, he's a wacky, wild,
crazy guy. But the fact that he switched so quickly,

(43:07):
I'm with Mac. It doesn't make any sense because from
season one to season two he seems like the kind
of guy you would never get to switch. He's like
one of those Apple employees you walk in and like
he's just like that kind of guy.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
That's like I could see him switch in the way
of like, you know, being a sellout.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, but they seem like.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yes, But there's also something like why Devin even chose
Rick first place, Right, there's just something.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Weird because the way that he writes speaks to the
people on the inside because they're all dummies. Yeah, because
they're all idiots.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
No, I get that aspect, that aspect I could buy.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
The other thing is outside his words in the book
actually have a lot of depth, Like they're not just
like silly words. It's I didn't actually read it, not
the podcast audio book.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
I was so excited about that.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
No, I don't read are kidding me?

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Episode eight, Sweet Vitriol. This is Cobel's backstory. We learned
that Harmony Cobell was the inventor of Severance, and essentially
Luhman stole her work, patented her work. And so really
why she's so invested is because it's her work. It's
Luman by name, but it's what she developed and she's
and this is why she's so invested. You find out

(44:29):
the end of season one with Regabi and reintegration because
it's probably shit she was also working on that got
halted by Lumen. So she's just intrigued by the I
think the scientific aspects of everything because her work got
stopped and halted by Luman, taken over by Luman.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
I think they've perverted it.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, so that that's part of it too, right, So
I think her I think the majority of her interest
I think is scientific, and I think prior to this episode,
reread into her as being like a really bad person
when you find find out where she grew up, like
she was trying to do really good things because of
the way.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
She grew up and she wanted to start a throupple
with Mark.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
It's true, even though Mark has a few throubles going on.
And in the finale you get a key little thing
from her where Mark's about to leave as any Mark
and he goes, you know, if you care about your
brother blah blah blah, and she's like, Mark, I care
for you. And it was almost needless if she doesn't
have some sort of connection to him, you know what

(45:29):
I mean, Other than just the fact of the severance Chip,
I think she was behind the whole gym of kidnapping
and car accident and like getting them to be together,
because hey, the only way this is gonna work to
map somebody is if we get a couple in love
or something.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Oh, also we didn't even mention this. We have the
whole the Any Dylan cocking Audi Dylan as well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Right, which that's a would you be jealous of your
own self?

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
And I also so different people and we're getting to
this and here the actual finale, I loved the contrast
that Dylan's Any was actually or Dylan's Audi was actually
pretty thoughtful and forgiving to his Any. And then you
have the two Marks basically screaming at each other.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Which I think is going to lead into and this
is my theory, like midway through the year was that
by the end of this show there will be no
more Audi Dylan. Any Dylan will just take over the
Dylan life.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
It seems to me that Audi Dylan may have made
a change though, like he may have like I don't know.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
They're also in love with the same person though, Yeah,
Mark and Mark are in love with different people.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
I also think we're already watching somebody who is only
an inny, and I think that is Melchick. I think
his Audi has been removed and that is why you
don't really see his external motivations because it's probably pretty
fucking sad. Yeah, I think we'll get to it.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yeah, Yeah, that's that's something that looms large Episode nine,
the after hours Devin was seeking out, Gobell finally gets
in contact with her brings Mark Tucabell. They go to
that cabin. In this episode, we also get uh, what's
his face? The big dude?

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Oh Drummond.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Drummond telling Milchek to apologize, and Miltchik says devour feculence.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
And means each shit.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
I say.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
This is basically a two part finale because it's so interconnected,
Yeah for sure, and uh like.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Like the drive and like the build up of getting
to that cabin, which it was a great idea and
then dropping that in in season one knowing it was
going to play back now is awesome. And I find
it interesting that, Like I guess that so because like
Jemma has twenty five personalities, right, so if she would
go to the cabin, she would be Miss Casey. So
it's like very calculated as to which one would pop up,

(47:47):
you know. It's it's interesting, like to which door they
would go through matters, But we didn't really get into
that too much. Uh So, finally we get to the
finale episode ten, Cold Harbor, and let me let me
start by saying, I fucking hated the ending. I hated
the ending. I love you so much.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
I loved it. I love we get.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
We spend two seasons, we're a season and a half
wondering about Miss Casey. We finally figure out where Gemma is,
how to get there. We freed Gemma in fantastic fashion
that twenty to thirty minutes when he goes into Cold
Harbor and he pulls her out and she turns back
in to Gemma and he's Mark because that's a different floor. Amazing, amazing,

(48:33):
amazing moment, really satisfying, and he does what he's supposed
to do. He gets her out that door. And I'm
also wondering, I'm sure she picks up as they they're
running through or as she's looking back through the glass.
She doesn't know Mark severed until maybe the moment at
the very end. Maybe she's she's she's putting two and
two together. But that's interesting that he never even mentioned

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to her before they went up, like, hey, by the way,
I'm severed. When we get to this floor, I guess
you wouldn't remembercau she's miss Casey, but she would have
remembered when she got out, So that was kind of
pretty convenient. I really that bothered the ship out of me,
because if you're Mark, you would tell her you were severed.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
I don't know, But you also don't know what Jim
and knows down there. She might know because she's like,
do I get to see Mark? Then she might be
able to know that Mark's up.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I don't know. It's a very I see your plight.
I think I would have told her on the way up,
as we hit the elevator. By the way, I'm severed.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Do you just freedom and explain the whole plan because
they're in the building.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Though they're still in the building, so it matters.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
He's excited to see her and get her out of
the buildings.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Bothered me.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
The adrenaline. Thank you, Billy, the adrenaline.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
I didn't even think for us. You can't even operate
your keys when you're like that adrenaline pumped up.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Time out.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
No, no, no, you just tell her right before you
smooch's going up. Hey, By the way, I'm severed, that
might matter, and she'll figure it out. She's been there too,
because she won't even know. I know, but when she
goes back through the glass, she doesn't know, which makes
it even more heartbreaking. I do think she puts it
together because she's not stupid. I think she figures it out.
We get that look from Helly at the end, as

(50:12):
Mark's already gone past the corner. She looks specifically at
Gemma and she pulls a Helena move. She acted like
a Helly would never ever ever do that? Now they do?
They do spend the episode in this whole innings revolt,

(50:33):
and they're making decisions for themselves. But if she really
cared for Mark and she knows Jemma's the wife, she
should have pushed Mark. Helly should have pushed Mark to Gemma.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
She did that in the verbal conversation they have at
the desk, because I think that was Helly that she does.
There is a really good theory, like she says, me
to the equator. Lumen is the actual equator in their logo,
which is kind of a cool little tie in there,
and that door is supposedly the equator of the entire building,
separating the in from the out. So when she says

(51:07):
meet me at the equator, they're talking about right there.
And if you go back and look at Helly's look,
it is a little bit of a fuck you. But
what on rewatch? It's not as damning as like, hey bitch,
I got your man.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, it's it's.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Not. It's quick and it's not as bad as you think.
First viewing, I was like, oh shit, I will Mark
arave owner.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
I think that she spends this episode partially as Helly
and partially as Helena. I don't think she's Elena the
whole time.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I think that does possible.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
That does coincide with a couple things that will have
to happen. You know, after milk check goes out, he
either has to contact someone or activate the Glasgow block
himself so that she becomes Helena, so that he's not
fighting a losing battle by himself. He now has another person.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I think it might have all been Helena, and I
think that part of what they might have been trying
to do is now Mark, he might never leave the building.
Mark might want to stay in that building because as
soon as Mark leaves, he's never going to go back.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
So to that point, we do open the episode with
Helena's father basically saying he prefers Helly so that there
also is the chance that he somehow has the power
to flip them. Now Helene is down there and Helly
will be the oudie because he likes what the like
the spunk in Helly compared to Helly will never do that.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
I think the theory that machine, Yeah, I think her
switching at the very end is a pretty good theory,
like just for that moment because to your point about
the door, when she's escaping from the door in the
early season, she can come in and out freely, right,
but then when she tries to break out of it,
she can't.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
So that's that was the next point. I'm glad you
brought that up. So now Jema's on the outside of
that door, and the last time we saw anything with
his door, someone could come right back in. Now maybe
that's because Helena can get in wherever the hell she wants,
which is a possibility, but that there's also something a
little fast and loose there, like why couldn't yeumma just
open that door.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
The creators might look at you and go like, come on, guy,
or they might have a deeper meaning for it. In
later seasons. I loved that Mark walks away with Helly
because to me, for me, when you think about it,
really this show is still about like workplace and corporate slaves,
and Mark created his own slave, and then he slighted

(53:21):
him at the beginning of the episode being like, hey,
I know you have your own little thing down there,
imagine that. But by one hundred, it's like, dude, you
created me. You gave me this little slice of life,
which Helly says, and I think that means that's really
herd down there, because she's the most poignant thing, like
you gave us this little slice of life and you
expect us not to fight for it. Then he walks
away with her, And to me, he has every right

(53:42):
to do that. He fulfilled his job, he freed Gemma,
and he's kind of useless. Now Drummond was gonna kill
him and like without thinking about it, so they're gonna
have to. My theory is they create a revolution with
the band and they try to take over the floor.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah, but like it's so fruitless and like shortsighted when
they've spent two seasons building out a really well thought
out thing. And so they're gonna run down the hall
for three minutes and then get caught.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
No, now Mark is forever, So Mark never wants to
leave again. Mark wants going to have to You don't
know that now, Yes, now, because any and Autie Mark
had this deal. It's not gonna let Mark just run
around the buildings. It's not run around the building. Done
with it, it's not run around the building. This might
have been what the purpose of what they wanted. They
wanted him to forever be there and now they can

(54:30):
move on to a new plan.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
I don't think Drummond would have snuffed him out like
Drummond was gonna kill him with no hesitation.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Because they're done with no better.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
They also might have known that he had the ability
to take out the fucking giant. You gotta slay the
giant to save the princess.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
My man. You know, Artistically, them running away down the
hall in this sort of whimsical, crazy dream like sequence,
i'llah of the graduate is like fun in good story wise.
But to your point, Billy, you know about the Ennis
and this workplace thing, and there is a bigger meaning
for what this show is about. But what this show

(55:06):
is about to me, or what it became, is Mark
and Jemma. To me, it became that and not.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
What maybe they're going off to Romeo and Juliette themselves.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
And that's that's why I'm so upset, because I was
rooting for this Mark and Jemma thing the whole time,
and but.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
We we go, yeah, but Matt, you as you also
rooted for Jim and Pam, and then look what happened there.
It ruined the show. To the ruined the.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Show, I think it's okay because one this show is
going to go in a million different directions, and you
don't know my theory is that mil Check on the
top of that thing screams out I'm an indie as well,
and they literally all band together and they try to
take out Lumen that way, Like, there's no way it's
going to be as simple as Mark and Helly get
killed and the show's over right, something cool is.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Going to be an amazing season for me of season three.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Well, so if you look at like I guess, for
lack of a better terms of battle lines you have,
we don't even know if gem is gonna make it
out of the building, which also pisses me off.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
She will, Yeah, that was my first question. Do you
guys think that she makes it out of the building.
Probably I think so too. And then the season three
is her trying to get Mark out?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Well, you have Kobell, Regabi, Devin Ricken on the outside
and maybe some others, and then you have the Innie
still in. There's just no conceivable way that Luhman is
going to want Mark in the building, and they control
enough other severed people to make anything happen.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
But Mark is the key.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
No, he's not not any more. He's done. They're done
with Mark.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
That would just be a different Now the whole point
of Cole Harbor.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
I kind of agree with that part of it. So
I do think they're just gonna go around and free
all the innies and be like, hey, we don't have
to take this shit anymore and free the other departments.
Like look, how big fucking Also, the fact that they
pulled out the ninety six Bulls intro music was one
of the magest moments in television history. Hands down.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
That was one of the moments where my eyebrows raised
up and I'm like, wait, are we doing this thistomenal?

Speaker 2 (57:07):
So let's get to the cabin conversations, because there's multiple
and they're very meaningful, but also bothered the shit out
of me. Is Mark having this Anyadi conversation on a
cam quarder when they have smartphones? What was that?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
But do they have cameras on those smartphones?

Speaker 2 (57:21):
I mean so.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Also, we've seen every time that Helena has speaken to
Helly season one, it would always be with the cam quarder.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Well because she wouldn't have a phone when she was down.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
There, right, But I think they're just trying to keep
the continuity of what they've already been doing.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Okay, fair enough, I didn't care for that. It was
bothered shit out of me. We get the confirmation of
the tempers here from Kobell talking to any Mark, and
we learned that the MDR numbers are the building blocks
of people's minds. So Mark has completed twenty five files.
It's twenty five different gemas down on that hell floor.

(57:55):
But that begs the question, then, what are the other
three MDR workers doing. Are they supporting Mark's work? Are
they helping facilitate all of his files the twenty five gemas?
Or are Dylan, Irving and Helly working on other things?
I don't know?

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Are they feeding Marx files? Right?

Speaker 2 (58:13):
I don't know if I don't know?

Speaker 3 (58:16):
So in season one they say Mark had a freshman
fluke and he refined more files faster than anybody ever.
They also say that one in five files expires. So
I think they're all working on people, and they're just
not as good as Mark is because Mark has such
a strong connection with who he's doing it for, and
he finally got to the twenty five quota where they
were gonna pull it out of her killer and sell

(58:36):
it as the prototype.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Huh, Yeah, that's I could believe that. It's just that's
another where they answered a question. Now we had three,
four to five more questions because of the answer we got.
We get Devin and Audi Mark being pretty much cold
to any Mark like you mentioned, which I do think
properly motivates him for the decision he makes at the end.
I just hated it. We get the robot absolutely ethering

(59:02):
Milcheck here the Egan robot, and then of course we
get the choreography of meariment with this marching band sequence,
which I don't know why it's there, but again in
season one we had a lot of weird parties, so
I guess it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
It's for the internet.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
It was awesome.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
It's for the Internet. It's for making memes and for
making videos. They know what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Also, Milcheck running out of the room after.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
That was dynamic.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
He said that he just did it for fun in
one of the takes and he's like, when I watched
the finale, I couldn't believe they used that, And he's like,
I guess it made sense.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
The other big revelation we get many of them in
this episode. I guess Cold Harbor is the cradle room.
It is one version of any Gemma having to disassemble
the crib model which was called Cold Harbor back in
episode seven, and see if it would you know, break
the block or whatever in there, and that is just

(59:58):
so low, yeah, so low. So they're playing their song too,
like yeah, it's just brutal, just like that is unbelievable.
And then that sequence we get after that, we get
Oudie mark OUTI Gemma. Well we get Cold Harbor Gemma,
Audie Mark, Oudie mark OUTI Gemma, and then we get
miss Casey any Mark and then we get OUTI Gemma

(01:00:21):
any Mark. Like that dynamic was really cool to play with.
And obviously you know the couple deaths that happen along
the way, like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Trumm and getting his brains blown out is phenomenal, so
satisfying and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Like a really creative way to do it, like you
didn't want to kill him, but because of that it
was it was just perfect. What do we think was
the point of the twenty five gemas? Why twenty? Like
why not just like one or ten? Like I don't
understand why this might be. And one of the prevailing
Internet theories is that they're testing this number or or

(01:00:54):
this amount on Gemma because ultimately they're going to implement
something like this on Helly so she can carry all
the consciousnesses of the egans. Interesting because why were they
doing so many So I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
That this was going to be the prototype they sell
as the severance chip to people who are like, Okay,
so you want to go to the dentist and not
remember it, we have a chip for that. You want
to do this, we have a chip for that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
That's what you can feel.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yeah, once again Adam Sandler's click.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
I also and we talked about this a little bit
via text. What was the death of that goat gonna accomplish?
It's just strictly I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Sure that they'll explain it further, but it's almost just
too it's just too much. That's always the animal that's
tied to sacrificial with so many of the religions that
that almost just seems like the go to, right I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Guess, so, yeah, I I just it was a weird
thing because the prevailing theory before was that the goat
brain and the human brain are similar. But that's a
baby goat and then she's gonna shoot it right in
the fucking hand.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
So yeah, And I'm wondering now that they just if
they just introduced that aspect of Lumen so that they
could bring them up there, so that she could help
Mark in that scene, you know, because they haven't. There's
just there's been no explanation for why they are.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
And then what great casting too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Again we get Kobella kind of getting rounded out in
episode seven. I also think this episode does a good
job to show that she's not working for Lumen. She
was working for them because it was the only way
she could be near Severance or monitor Severance. I don't
think she wants Lumen to succeed at all, so she.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Went full scorched Earth. And you can tell that she
did because at the beginning of episode two or three,
she's at the entrance to Saltznek says, nah, let me
see if I can just go do it normally, get
my job back, And then when they were like, oh,
they're gonna fucking kill me, I'm gonna go nuclear burn
bridges and just go napalm on everybody by saying I
created this, not Jane.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
That's a good point. I forgot about that little end
scene in episode two or three. There again, Dylan's letter
from his Audi was great and really heartfelt in a
good contrast to the Mark situation. Jumping back to Milcheck,
I was so disappointed that he didn't help in the
end there, And you're right, maybe we open season three
where he isn't any or he is helping them, but
they they spent so much time dropping stuff in there

(01:03:12):
this season for him to turn in this episode, and
he didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
But they also didn't. So season one set him up
as a future boss. This season didn't really set anyone
else up as like a future boss next season unless
you just go to the to the highest point of
Helly's father.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
So I do think Milcheck isn't any and I think
because he's doing a lot of the rebelling not on
the severed floor or in the office, I think that
may be a doorway for him, because he's always all
business in the severance room or in those areas.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
So you think that he could be a gen think,
do you think there is an outing Milcheck at all anymore?

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
No? I think there's a few innies of him. That
would be my weird theory.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Okay, So that's like that we're gonna need massive clarification
on Milcheck and what his motivations are because it does
really affect a lot of what happened and what is going.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Did you see anything clicking him when he was in
the room trying to kick over the vending machine.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
I don't know if I saw anything clicking him there.
But the biggest thing to me was this season when
Miss Wong goes don't give them a funeral. It makes
it feel like they're real people. And the look in
his eye is not shut up, little girl, It's like
I'm one of them. Fuck you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Yeah that you're right. That was an important scene too.
That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
And he also when Irving in season one says to him,
you're not severed, and he doesn't look mad, he looks
like depressed, Like, dude, you don't even know. I can't
reveal it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah. Yeah, those those are a couple of good points.
Speaking of Miss Wang like it's it's at least appears
to me that she just sort of existed for them
to really make you believe more of like a young
Kobell and how young Cobell sort of like navigated Luming
because ultimately she didn't matter at all in this season.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
And Regaby too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Speaking of Regabi, we thought at the end of season
one she was working against Cobell. Now, I think they're
probably gonna be in cahoots. Right, they're cut from the
same sort of cloth. It feels like they're going to
be working together going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
So someone else that I talk about this show with
behind microphones, we have a theory where they might be
like Obi Wan and Darth Vader type of deal. Like
she was her Miss Wong and they kind of split paths,
and then that's why one of them was like, don't
talk to her, she's evil, and Regaby on the Cobell

(01:05:41):
on the phone was likegotty, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Yeah, that's a good point. I was starting to think
of it more though, that Regabri was doing this because
Cobell is being watched way more than Regaby would be,
so she was sort of an extension of Cobell. But
you could absolutely be right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Also, is the theory of the entire town or like
the entire area being under lumen control any audi is
is that out the window?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Probably?

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
That's that's a tough one. I feel like it's not
even worth addressing though, because I'm so concerned about our
this story, I don't want to widen it that much.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
You know what if the entire world is severed Mac,
There's theories because Lumin' so water based is all the
file names of water, water, water water, that they're poisoning
the water supply to slowly fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Basal Man would stop them. Then Batman's always stopped the
Joker and the Riddler and the Scarecrow from poisoning the
water supply.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
I guess I should have led with this point. This
is my biggest disappointment in this season and probably why
I can't give it forty. We spent so much time
talking about reintegration during season one and this season, and
ultimately it didn't mean a fucking thing. It was just
basically to uh, give you a beer Sea story in

(01:06:56):
a couple episodes and kind of loosely connect Cobell and Regabi.
Ultimately it meant nothing, Like it doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
They tried to sell it to Mark in the finale too.
That's a little bit of it, like, hey, I'll be around.
I think Regabi's just really bad at it and she
fucked it up. It gets built up to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
This big thing, and the big thing in the episode
six or whatever it was, is he's gonna be reintegrated
and it didn't come back up. He's never reintegrated. It
never matters. It's that really bothered me because we spent
so much time on reintegration and it mattered.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Also, if it is a like a big worldwide takeover
or a poisoning of the water supply type of stuff,
like I'm gonna be very disappointed in that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Yeah, I'll agree, that's why I want to keep it
a little more.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Yeah, to your point, Mac, with that, they could have
solved all the reintegration stuff with Regabi after she almost
kills him, saying I fucked it all up. We've gotta
have to start from scratch. If they just put that
one line in there, that would have made me happier.
But I get your complaint there. It is valid because
he should be at least flashing a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Yeah, and now, like like so season three, that still lingers.
So like Audie Mark is gonna want to reintegrate so
that he can still be I guess maybe a sleeper
agent or whatever. But now any Mark might be pushing
back against it in his own brain. Like now, it's
like probably still gonna matter, and I'm just gonna be
bothered by.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
It, Billy question, can you answer this? Could any Mark
if he is now if he has now locked himself
in the building, he refuses to come out, could he
try and unintegrate himself as like he tries to make
himself the dominant mark, so that when he leaves the
building it is him.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
I think that Milchek could do it, or Helena could
do it, or Helena could do it. I definitely think
that is on the table. I think somebody becoming a
full blown any all the way. I think you're gonna
find out there's a lot more of those than you think,
because I think that's the goal of a lot of
this is to get people totally love.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Helena would have the power to be able to to
glasgow block him, and so it would be Mark or
any mark outside.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
So they can't glasgow block them. That's making them the
inside person on the bottom floor.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Oh you have to forever otc loocause I thought that
the possibility of an any taking over the entire body
would have to be signed off on by the AUDI.
But now I'm trying to think of like Ken Mark
on the inside, Can any Mark be like, no, I'm
going to take over this body and without the consent
of Audie Mark, who signed him in.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
I think it's all I think all that shit's out
the window. I think we're in.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Well, what you're talking about, Gou, you're overthinking it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
I don't want to underthink it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
If that, if the possibility exists, that's Helene at the end.
Helene is just gonna do that zact. She has Audie
Mark or any Mark outside, she will have the power
to be able.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
To do that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
To me, it's prison rules.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Anything goes from here on out on that floor.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
And then I have one last thing which we have
briefly touched upon, and you guys can bring up with
anything I missed here, the Burt Field stuff and Irving.
That's gonna have to still matter somehow season three, right like,
that's still gonna rearch head at some point, and I
think they get a I think they did a good
job giving us a taste of that as like the
season's maybe C or D story, and then we'll deal

(01:10:11):
with that later. I wasn't I wasn't overly concerned that
that didn't play a big role.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Yeah, the conversation of of Christopher Walking wanting to become
an any so that his any can go to Heaven
at least added some layers to their characters.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Yeah, and it feels like it feels like he genuinely
does care about Irving, So that's that's something.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
Yeah, I think we're gonna get more from Irving just
from the fact that he was out to get lumin
in the first place. He seems like a military man,
you know, Doug Raidar, all that kind of stuff, saluting milcheck.
So I think he's definitely going to play loom large
in season three for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Yeah, I wonder. I mean, it seems inevitable that Kobell
might find Irving and utilize Irving somehow to do whatever
they need to do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
I mean, now, if they're on the outside, you have
the possibility of Irving, and you have Gemma that could
be a part of that team trying to take them
out from the outside.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
I'm just I shouldn't doubt them because these two seasons
are great. I'm just like fucking annoyed. I'm just fucking no.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
I think that you've seen too many television shows drop
the ball when they have something great guy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Part of it. And you mentioned West World earlier, perfect
example of a show that was, you know, maybe bordering
on forty Dogs great idea, sci fi, thrilling, mystery aspects
and it fucking sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
The world too far.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Yeah, don't get them in trouble for something they haven't
done yet.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Yeah that yeah, No, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
That's that's gives it thirty hot dogs. I think they're
gonna mess this up in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
We have a podcast to do today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
That's the glass half empty of this going forward, because
somebody shows have sucked it up. Hopefully this is the
rare that it doesn't. But I ultimately the reason why
it's not forty Dogs is emotionally, I hated the decision
from any mark and also the reintegration stuff is bothering
the shit out of me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
That's fair. I do likes stories that aren't happy endings
because I don't get a lot of happy endings either
either way, either way you slice it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
So, but this is two sad endings in my mind
because Helly, Helly and Mark or whoever's running down the
hallway there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
It's les minutes continued. It's a too be continued. It's
not an ending.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
I want my shows to make me feel something es
and the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Feeling it makes me feel I had a visceral reaction.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
So the feeling of them getting out together would be
through the roof. The feeling of them going the opposite
way blew my fucking mind. It made you more mad
than you would have been happy. Yeah, but if he
had left the building, what would they do moving forward?

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Because Helena is still in charge of everything. That's sort
of my point. Helena is the key to everything, and
she has so much control inside.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
And to that point, though, Mark has no need to
ever go near that building ever again, he just moves.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
They're smarter than us. They have a good plan, I'm
guaranteed so.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
So the the only conceivable, not the only the thing
that makes most sense now is then most of season
three will take place over only a couple of days.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Then the whole series may have taken place over four weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Yeah, you might be right about that. You might be
right about that. What because we can only spend so
much time inside this building with any Mark Now, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Gonna be like an episode of twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Well no, you say that, Mac, But we don't know
the extent of how big this building is though, like
there could be.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Has to be Helene at the end because she would
know where to go and she can hide anywhere, So
it would have to be Helene at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
If you want to go that round, what if Helene
is actually twins and there's multiple Helenas and Tins anyone
has anyone?

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
We could get real interesting still in the lumin building.
But the only way that's possible is if it's Helena
down there, are not.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Helly or Milchick turns team any.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
No, because well, I guess he would have access to
areas too.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Yeah, you're right, that could be a possibility, That's my guess,
because I do like her being down there and being
a badass. The thing I wanted to talk about was
Jame Egans seemed like the like the weirdest, like biggest
lame But when he yells out the double fucks and
sitting in that little coup for room, it killed me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Just became alive.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Oh fuck, oh fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Yeah. And that's like we've been talking about the Egans
in this in this whole business and family for a
while that it feels inevitable that everything around season three
will be like the Egans and Helena and Helly versus
Gobel or Gabby, all these people that have been slighted.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Imagine if we get the equivalent of Chicai Bardo, but
it's all like Jane from marrying or birthing whoever, all
the way up to Helly, that would be fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
I also think that as maybe fitting as it is
as if it's Helly in any mark at the end,
because the nies shows themselves, I think that doesn't lead
to as many possibilities as if that was Helena in
any mark. I think there's more storytelling possibilities if Helena
exists there and not Helly.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
I also do think the the I sired Many in
the Shadows almost confirms my theory that Kobel is likely
his daughter, and I think Miss Wong is probably his
daughter as well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
That could certainly be a possibility.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Let's get into Max and Ma Sak could be anything
that could be a boat and this week just a
quick update on our food mascot, Macnus. We are into
the second round. We had a number of upsets, but
will blame Mac for terrible seating. The one thing that
I want to point out is that you people out there,
you fucking people, went into our beautiful, blissful bracket and

(01:15:56):
messed it up. You took at fifty the fifteen seed,
this little piece of dough popping fresh, and you took
him over a fucking giant cheesy dinosaur. Where do you
get the gull?

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
What I may be underestimated is the magical abilities of
the Pillsbury bill boy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
And I think the age because I don't know who
that guy is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
You're the same age as us, Billy, you must.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Six years older than you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
Then you had more of them, really, craft Cheese and Macarney.
It's not easy being cheesy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Goose champions out in round one.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
I will say that my runner up is still in there.
Crazy Craven was almost campaign for him for two days.
Crazy Craven was almost knocked out by Digham of the Frog.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
You were creating burners to vote on that one.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
So so many. I would like to thank Gert b. Frobe,
who went through and gave us a finishing move in
every single one of the mashup, So I really I
want to thank you, Gert, and then to Walsh six
one seven who told me in multiple tweets posts for
me to go fuck myself and for Cheese a Saurus

(01:17:07):
Rex to go fuck himself I see you six one seven, Yeah,
love that. But I will say this once again. This bracket,
this mascot bracket dead to me. I don't even care
about it anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
I don't know I know what pop it Fresh is.
I didn't know who the hell the other guy was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Did anyone at your work also have cheese a saurus Rex?
Winning it all?

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
So many people? By the way, I have a giant
I'd want to thank everyone at WBZ. There is a
giant wall at my work right now covered in food
mascot brackets of all of my coworkers who filled these out,
I will say, I'll apologize to the higher ups. I
was a bit of a distraction. I apologize. I don't
mean to do that. I didn't think that this would

(01:17:49):
capture everyone's imagination and then they would ruin it by
putting that piece of shit dough boy ahead of my
cheese asaurus Rex.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
I'm so upset. Mac.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Where can the people find us?

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
You can find us on x and on Instagram, at
Mac and Goo podcast every other platform. We are mac
ampersan Goo. It's Mac Shift seven Goo and includes Facebook,
stitch er Tune and Cashbucks, Preak, Google Play, I Art Radio,
we're on Spotify, but more importantly, we're on Apple Podcasts.
Get on there, rate review, subscribe five stars. If you
do that, we'll get you a free Mac and Goo
T shirt from the folks over at Watertown Sports Where

(01:18:24):
Watertown Sports we're on thirty four on Auburn Street in Watertown.
Watertownsportswear dot com expert screenprinting and broidery.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Teapublic dot com merger. I will within the next couple
of days. Billy has sent me some sweet designs for severance,
and we'll open a little shop for some severance phrases
and whatnot. Maybe you'll write not any o. That's easy money,
just printing money.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
It really is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
To teaser one, I'd go too.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
It's two on both. It's two ends and two tastes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Yeah, I'd agree, Billy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
We should learn this before we start making these shirts.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Yeah, because it auto corrects every time I write it
to the one T. But it doesn't feel right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
It doesn't feel right at all.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Billy, want to plug yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
Yeah, Pineapple Boys. Every Thursday we are back, and then
check out the Dork Podcast if you want individual recaps
of all the episodes of this show, and we'll be
doing the season finale out in a couple of days probably.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Yeah, Billy's other podcasts with that shithead doc from that
TLDR piece of shit podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Yeah, Billy should feel slighted too because he didn't win
Podcasts of the Year. I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
He only did like six episodes last year. And that
makes me think that Friar is just a better co
host than you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
He really is. Look at the transitive property here, handsome
devil too. I can argue that anything else.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Mac. That's it, hopefully. Maybe maybe next week we'll see
the right or Tega Death of a Unicorn, talk about
it sometime next week.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Yeah, and we'll do a news up at the end,
talk about Alto Knights, the Robertson Narra movie. He's so nice.
They did him twice.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
I heard it was really really boring.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Oh, he just plays a saxophone for two hours. Tuesdays
are goose Days. I abused Kangaroos, Temmburton. Please flip the
cassette over to side B to continue the adventure. Now
it's time for girls jumping on trampopolines.

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