April 29, 2025 • 54 mins
In honor of it's 20th ANIversary - We discuss 'Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith'
Written & Directed by George Lucas and starring Hayden Christensen, Natalie Portman & Ewan McGregor - As the Clone Wars nears its end, Obi-Wan Kenobi pursues a new threat, while Anakin Skywalker is lured by Chancellor Palpatine into a sinister plot for galactic domination.
How has the movie aged? Is this the best Star Wars action? Are we dumb?
We also dicuss the movies 2005 marketing blitz!
Join the conversation on social media - @MACandGUpodcast
Written & Directed by George Lucas and starring Hayden Christensen, Natalie Portman & Ewan McGregor - As the Clone Wars nears its end, Obi-Wan Kenobi pursues a new threat, while Anakin Skywalker is lured by Chancellor Palpatine into a sinister plot for galactic domination.
How has the movie aged? Is this the best Star Wars action? Are we dumb?
We also dicuss the movies 2005 marketing blitz!
Join the conversation on social media - @MACandGUpodcast
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On March nineteenth, twenty oh five. We were just finishing
McK and I, by the way, finishing up sophomore year
in high school. Several significant events occurred on this day.
Corey Booker broke the Senate's record for the longest floor speech,
and Morgan Stanley was ordered to pay Ron Perelman one
(00:20):
point four to five billion dollars. Additionally, NASA's spirit Rover
captured a sunset on Mars. Reggie Miller played his final
NBA game for the Indiana Pacers, and the work print
DVD of the film Invasion of the Body Snatchers was released.
Recording two Birthday Jams dot com. Hollaback Girl by Gwen
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Stefani was the number one song on the chart.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Shit R and b A Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Was Slow Down by Bobby Valentino, Country My Give a
Dams Busted by Joe d. Messina. Alternative was Holiday by
Green Day. The dance track was It's Like That by
Mariah and opening up at the box office was Star
Wars episode six, Revenge of.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
The Sith three.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
What did I say?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Six?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Check the tape?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, dude, two thousand and five, you bring up Hall
of Back Girl and this shit is by that.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I know you interrupted me with that stupid little thing. There.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We're clearly passionate about Star Wars talking about a movie
that's twenty years old. You know what I'm also passionate about.
And hear me out on this one, or correct me
if I'm wrong. Flavored brets. I think that banana bread
might be the number one Brett. It might be the
number one Brett.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
It's a good flavored bread. I don't know if I
love that transition from one to the other.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Right there, it's better than cornbread. Can you give me that?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
No cornbread is delicious. A good corn bread is really
where it's at.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I mean, I know it's good. I'm not saying it's bad.
I'm saying banana bread is better, then greater.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Then I don't want to do this, but it does
look like our next episode that we do not have
filled in might be tearing bread breads, or if those
don't qualify as real breads, it might be cakes. Whatever
we're gonna do, we're gonna be tearing something that has
to do where we deal.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Like a banana bread and a corn bread is more
like a muffin than anything.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Right, Well, they can be used for anything.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, you wouldn't use it for a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
You could use it for a sandwich, depending on what
you're putting inside.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
You know what I use for sandwich, a facaca.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Ficasha's are very nice too, But I'm saying like you
could make a sandwich. You can make a nice chili
sandwich out of corn bread.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't care for that. I can make a butter
sandwich out of banana bread.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
You can make a nice peanut butter and jelly out
of banana bread too.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh well, now I'm intreat color me intrigued by that combination.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Also, not to get too inappropriate here, but something about
that Gwen Stefani music video really did it for me.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Ah yeah, well, I would say, uh not the get
the path too far, but based on the appearance of
your wife, I see what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh my goodness, are you talking. I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Maybe is that where it began.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I remember because I didn't have cable in my bedroom,
but you could get MTV two on a non cable television,
so that would be on MTV two a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You know what I really dug in college was MTVu.
It was like underrated or unheard of artists music videos
on a loop. It was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So that's what happened on that day, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Five one three, Yeah, job three, King of Queen.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Middle Street entertain go and I'm Mac and I'm wearing
my freshest pair of audio sneakers right now because we
are talking about the five Classic Star Wars episode three.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
There you go, and I'm wearing my blue in support
of the good guys here, not the non Sith, the
Jedi and everyone else, I suppose, although I think I
think I would go green lightsaber if I had to
go green or blue, So maybe I should be wearing
green right now.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I like red red really pops.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Uh. And of course this prequel series introduced purple lightsabers,
and then canonically lightsabers got all over the place. We
got yellow, orange, we got all sorts of colors.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well, didn't Samuel L. Jackson demand a lightsaber that no
one else had?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yes? Yeah, but then it actually worked out perfectly because
it's like blue with a tinger. Red therefore becomes purple.
So it's someone that's like fringe Jedi, which Mace Windu
was goo. You know what this movie makes me think
of in two different areas. Is the show the actlyte
that came out what last year? Number one? They mentioned
Darth Plagers. Number two. In the aclte, we see one
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of the coolest scenes we've ever seen in Star Wars
is someone bleeding the crystal of a lightsaber. And I
wish they had introduced that in this movie because that
would have been fucking awesome. If when Obi Wan and
Anakin go to battle at the climax of this movie,
that Anakin had bled his crystal and the blue lightsaber
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turned red, that would have been amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It would have been cool. But was there enough time?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, would have taken eight seconds.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That sounds like a lot of seconds. They had to
spend more time on Annie having himself a selk.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You know Star Wars E three Revenge of the Sith,
Like Goo said May nineteen, two thousand and five, this
movie was made in one hundred and thirteen million dollar budget.
It opened to one hundred and eight million dollars domestically.
Goo in the theaters that weekend when Revenge of the
Scyth was number one at number two. Monster in Law, Yes,
that's right, Monster in Law starring Jane Fonda, And was
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that j Loo on that that was j LO and
then the Will Ferrell underrated comedy Kicking and Screaming, The
Oscar Best Picture winning Crash finished fourth. That's that week,
and Unleashed a Jetly movie finished fifth. So that brings
you back to a time place.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
You know what's actually crazy is the next week. So
this dropped about fifty percent and what came out, so
it's still won, but it just beat out The Longest
Yard and the new Madagascar movie that both made over
fifty million dollars. What a great weekend. You have three
movies over fifty million dollars, three movies over fifty, three
movies over fifty.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I don't know if that's ever happened.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I don't even know if that's possible.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
That's a quite one of our listeners google that. Yeah,
let us know.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I also might have just made that up.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Vengea well, if it dropped only fifty percent, then it
definitely made over.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Well, maybe the other two are just under fifty. I
always round up or round a round matter.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
This movie is rated PG thirteen. It is an epic tragedy,
action and adventure so with some real bullshit subgenres here
goo action epic adventure epic dark fantasy, fantasy, epic sci fi,
epic space sci fi.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It doesn't even need any of those. The sub genre
should just be Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
This movie has a runtime of one hundred and forty minutes,
and it oddly doesn't feel long even on rewatch, like
it doesn't feel like it's two hours and twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
It almost because the last half of the movie works
at a breakneck speed.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, there are some downtimes here when you're dealing with
Annie and Padme conversations, but because of where they're placed,
it doesn't completely ruin the movie. I don't know, in
two hours and twenty minutes, it didn't feel like that,
so I gotta give it credit. Even twenty years later,
it feels pretty well paid.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Also, the opening twenty minute scene is balls to the
Wall and they give you lightsaber stuff right away.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, for sure, it's a good open, great conclusion, and
then the middle is fine enough.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
But yes, on.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Roddy tz this says seventy nine percent from the critics,
sixty six percent from the audience. To compare that to
the two prior movies in this trilogy, This prequel trilogy,
Phantom Menace got fifty four percent fifty nine percent. Attack
of the Clones got sixty one percent fifty six percent
from the audience, So the critics are telling you this
definitively better than those two. Audience is saying slightly better.
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On Metacritic, a sixty eight compared to a fifty one
from Menus fifty four from Clones. So definitively, head and shoulders.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Sixty eight is pretty good, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Sixty eight is pretty good. Sixty eight is pretty good
other than the original three, and I think Rogue one
this might have the next highest score. It's interesting to
think that in retrospect we look back and like, definitively say,
Attack of the Clones is the worst Star Wars movie
ever made, and the people didn't feel that at the time.
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At the time they rated it rough with the same
as Phantom Menace. Is that because Phantom Menace has mal
and age is a little better?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Is that why I think there's more rose colored glasses
when it comes to that movie.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Okay, all right, don't this movie's good good, This movie's
baseline good. It's definitely better than the other two. But
it's interesting to think because if you're rating the eleven
star Wars cinematic releases we've had. I think I have
this smack dab in the middle at like six, like
I have the original three, Rogue one and A Force
Awakens definitively better than this movie, and then this movie,
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and maybe like Solo kind of float on its own
in the middle, and then everything else is below it.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I definitely have it around five or six. I might
like it better than episode six, But having just watched it,
I disagree with myself.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, I disagree with you there too. I winced.
Of course. This movie is written and directed by George Lucas.
He was at the Helm for all three of these prequels. Synopsis.
As the Clone Wars nears its end, Obi Wan Kenobi
pursues a new threat while Anakin Skywalker is lured by
Chanceelor Palpatine into a sinister plot for galactic domination. It
is important to note, obviously in the year since three
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years after this movie they come out with a Clone
Wars movie and then start kick off the series Clone Wars,
which fills in the I think it's like seven year
gap or five year gap between the second and third
movie and provides context to a lot of things and
drops the seeds for a lot of what happens in
this movie. Goo Goo's multiple hands raised.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Okay, I was gonna ask you, does that show make
this movie better? It does, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
But it is. I feel like they created that show
almost as an apology for the shit storm that the
first two movies were, because they somewhat nail the landing
in this movie, so they needed a little bit more
background in context planting the seeds for how Anakin becomes Vader,
and in that show, what you see, what you get
some glimpses of in the second and third movies. Here
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is Anakin being different than all the other Jedi, being
sort of counter.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay, all I wanted. That's really all I wanted from
this movie. And I know that Sith's work in absolutes Anakin.
Outside of the decapitation of Doku, he Dakuka take it
at his dootoo, But I fucked that up real bad.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I don't know what you said, but I liked it.
I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Outside of the decapitation of Douku. He is so absolute Jedi,
he is so into everything Jedi, and that's all he wants.
And then almost on the flip of a switch. He's like, fuck,
you know what, I'm sith, give me a little bit
of that in between.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I agree, No, I totally agree. And that's really what
Clone Wars does, especially in the latter half of the series.
It really brings to light how Anakin and Ahsoka really question.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
That's okay, what the Jedi is. Okay, that's all I want,
because all this movie does is Annie wants to be
a master Jedi and they keep telling him no, right,
he wants a job promotion, and they're saying, you're still
a smidge too young.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, So that's why I've been telling you for years now.
I think I ended up watching Clone Wars. I don't know,
six or seven years ago that dees value you have,
that want like Clone Wars is really I think you're
really gonna like it. There are definitely some many skippable episodes,
but the best of Clone Wars gets into this stuff.
It gets into Ahsoka and Anakin questioning why the Jedi
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are doing this or that, and really bringing to light
that there's minute differences between the dark side and the
light side, and we see how it plays out with
Ahsoka where she becomes this sort of gray Jedi and
it works out somewhat opposite for Anakin. But that's that's
at the core of what makes the Clone Wars series
good is the two main characters are questioning everything they've
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ever been taught. And the third character there is Obi Wan,
who's still steadfast Jedi, but he sort of sees and
understands why those two characters are leaning in that direction.
So it's a really really good story in that show.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Also, this movie really makes me think that Yoda is
an asshole.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
How do you mean?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Okay? So, first off, he tells Anakin that death is
just a natural part of life. But then at the
end of the movie, he's like, hey, Obi Wan, hear this.
When you die, you can be a force ghost. What
happened to this natural part of life?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, it's the force ghost stuff. Almost speaks to like
your I know.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It's a spiritual thing, but that kind of gets rid
of like the natural part of it. Also when he
and we'll get into it when we get into like
the timeline of the movie, but when he goes to
to confront Darth Sidius and he walks in the room
and he acts like he knew the whole time. Bro,
you just found out it was right under your nose.
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You think you're cool. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
About that, although I do like when he walks in
and just goes yeah no and the new guards splash.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
You know, that's what makes you forget a little bit.
But you need to remember it's been three movies, a
span of what fourteen years, ten years whatever it is, Right,
he's been right there. You didn't know.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Shut the fuck up. Yeah, And that's that's I know.
The turn happened so quick for everyone. Like they assign
Anakin to Palpatine.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Which is just an insane thing. You don't trust him.
You have nothing but trust in obi Wan Kenobi. You
put obi Wan Kenobi at the feet of this Chancellor
and then Anakin his strength seems to be side quests.
He does an amazing job at side quests. You give
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him the job that you've been given. Obi Wan. Like
even at the beginning of the movie, obi Wan Kenobi's like,
fuck it, let these uh let these people die, and
Anakin's like, no, let's save everybody, and obi Wan's like,
that's not what our job is. So have him go
and sit with the Chancellor and not be brainwashed. While
Anakin is out there fucking doing a good job.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I know there's a time jump between two and three.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
It's the hubris of the Jedi.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And this is before, obviously the Clone Wars series. I
wish that the end of two had come a little later,
or you start three a little earlier on the timeline,
a year or whatever, and give us the seeds that
there were doubt and already shit going on with Palpatine,
so that the Jedi don't figure it out, and then
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instantly he's Darth City, you know what I mean, Like
it all happens too quick, and I wish there was
a little bit more in that regard in this whole trilogy.
I mean, because the viewer knows. The viewer knows from
the jump, and it's a little annoying that in the
eleven Vour that the Jedi figure it out because they
have all sorts of influence in There's people everywhere, and
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there should have been a few more of them that
are like, Hey, this Palpatine fella ain't what he's all
cracked up.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Also, once Palpatine turns into a shriveled up ball sack,
I'm saying I'm not following you anymore. I feel like
I'm gonna remain hot if I if I'm a Jedi,
I could turn into this. No, thank you. He does
follow him and then he becomes deformed.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Well, the whole promise is he's doing it to save Padme.
That's the whole time.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I'm picking the side where I can be hot.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Uh. Speaking of hotness, Goo, the stars of this movie.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
You and McGregor are the stars of this war.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Natalie Portman. That's Padme, who exists in this movie only
to serve Anakin's story. It's very disappointing.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Oh terrible. She's so good in the first one. She
might be the standout of the first movie. I forget
what we said. The second one too, second one too.
This is just like he's just a forgotten character. Who
is dad damselone distress?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Here She's a warrior, a fighter, a badass in the
first movie, and then now she's just a damsel in distress. Strictly,
they had to serve Anakin's story, and I think they
ran into this issue because they had to tell this
Vader transformation story and they just completely throw Padme to
the side. Who might be the best character from their
first two movies. Sons Obi Wan like it's very frustrating,
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especially now, and like especially with the context of Clone Wars,
who Padme plays a decent part in that as well. Like,
it's just really annoying that they throw her aside and
like completely don't use her or misuse her. I guess,
for lack of a better term, Hayden Christensen is Anakin Skywalker.
Now in the second movie, he's like an eighteen year
old with a stupid little braid. In this movie, he's
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like twenty something, has formed his own opinions and has
his own motives and desires, And I think it's important
to note the decision to give him like mid two
thousand's emo band hair is perfect.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I really like absolutely no notes on his hair. I
like it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Ian McDermott as Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, I've always gone back
and forth on him. I like him when he's cloaked Emperor.
His performance of this movie is all over the place,
all fucking over the place, because he's like making noises,
doing weird face things. Like I know he's supposed to
be this sniveling, you know, Emperor, but I don't care
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for the performance as a whole.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I also don't find a lot of what he's telling
Anakin to be very convincing or swaying outside of him
being like, oh, you are a good boy, and he
calls him son once like that's like there's yeah, okay,
getting a couple of compliments over here. Sure, and the
Jedi are being assholes to me, but I don't know. Sure, Yeah,
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you can promise me that you can bring someone back
to life. Do you have any proof?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And then the rest of our cast Samuel L. Jackson's
Mace Window, Jimmy Smith's Senator Baylor Ghana Frank Oz is
the voice of Yoda. Anthony Daniels, Christopher Les, Count Dooku,
who's great in this trilogy. By the way, he's really
good as Dooku. Keisha Castle Hughes is the Queen of Naboo.
Silas Carson has newt Gunray Tamuraw Morrison is Commander Cody,
and of course he's the clone that they're all cloned after.
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I'm ed best as jar Jar Banks Kenny Baker's AR
two D two And also it's funny to note the
rise and fall of jar Jar over this trilogy, how
he's so prominent and then barely exists in this movie.
Peter Mayhew is Chewbacca, Genevieve O'Reilly's man Matha, and Matthew
Wood as the voice of General Grievous.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Chewbacca feels so shoehorned into this movie, but also my
favorite facial reaction in this entire thing comes in first
ten to fifteen ish minutes of the movie when Palpatine
tells Anakin to kill Douku, and Duku just looks like us.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
A part of the plan, Yeah yeah, and also calls
into question why Anakin is so against killing Palpatine later
because he's like, no, anagain.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Once he kills him, is like, I shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. It's It's a great little
moment with Douku though, because Douku, you know, there's always
two rule of two, and Douku's number two in command.
And then he's like, oh, this is where the Emperor
is gonna save me. Nope, cuts his head off. Now
has this new numbers.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It's like, oh, you met you two, not like us two.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
You met U two, right, And it's funny thinking now,
obviously we weren't aware then, but in the context of
the Clone Wars, like Mall is still around operating around here,
so he still exists thinking about his storyline, and I
think we're going to get into a lot of Emperor
Mall stuff coming in the animated Mall series, so I'm
looking forward to that. Uh goot. This movie is also
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nominated for Best Makeup at the two thousand and six Oscars.
On the whole, this movie looks pretty good. It looks
pretty good.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
We probably would have looked this up. Did it win
anything at the MTV Movie Awards?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Great question. I don't know, but it doesn't think it
won Best Kiss.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
It didn't win Best Kiss because Obi Wan and Anakin
did not kiss at the end like we all wanted.
It might have won Best Kiss for or the second
movie though, because there was a kiss. There was a
big smooch, wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, real big smooch first, big smooch.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
All right. Before we get to the Gauntlet and a
little bit of timelining, I do want to give you
guys the proper viewing order when watching Star Wars movies,
as according to Mace and Gooo. This is the order
that we have discussed Star Wars. So when you are
introducing a new Star Wars viewers to Star Wars. You
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need to watch it in the order that we have.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Discussed that we have discussed it yet.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
So the first movie up is Rogue one. We talked
about that episode twelve, the second one best in series,
so just watch a super cut of all the movies together.
We did that episode seventy eight. Then we have Last Jedi,
which was episodes seventy nine and eighty, followed by Solo
at one fourteen. The Force Awakens is episode two hundred
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and twenty four. Then the Rise of Skywalker. You have
to watch that twice because we talked about it twice
on two twenty eight and two twenty nine. Then we
go to the Mandalorian seasons one and then two that's
two thirty two and two eighty three. Then the Book
of Bobo that is three forty three, then the Mandalorian
Season three that's four fourteen. Then you go on to
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Ahsoka that's four thirty. Then you jump all the way
back to the Phantom Menace that is four sixty one.
Then you jump even further back to the Empire Strikes
Back that's four sixty six. Then you jump all the
way back forward to the Acolyte, and now we are
here at episode five ten, I believe.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
So the only movie we haven't talked about is Attack of.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
The Clones, Attack of the Clones, Return of the Jedi,
and a New Hope.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Oh oh Swift. Okay, all right, I guess I should
have been paying more attention.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Or just look at the fucking list on our dock.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Uh. This movie is like thinking about Wall. Just thinking
about the things you just listed is such an up
and down ride. I'd like to go back and listen
to Our Last Jedi.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I was gonna say so. First off, we do not
recommend our Rise of Skywalker, either of those episodes. We
do not recommend Our Last Jedi because they're not good episodes.
I would say anything, I think anything from prior to
a month ago. It's shit. It's garbage, all of the episodes.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And it'll just be interesting to see how our frame
of things changes, because we're kids that grew up on
this trilogy, right, and so when The Force Awakens comes
out in twenty fourteen or twenty fifteen, we're all fucking
jazzed up. We're apologists for the original trilogy, we are
apologists for the prequel trilogy. We love the original trilogy.
Now we kick off a brand new trilogy and awesome,
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you know, an awesome fashion. And then we get to
the Last Jedi and we're like, what Star Wars can
be bad?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So this prequel trilogy right now is in a bit
of a renaissance where people are now just showing their
love for it. Hayden Christiansen is the face of Star
Wars again.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, Like my dad grew up on the original trilogy
and really fell out of love of Star Wars because
of the prequel trilogy, and because we were kids during
the prequel trilogy, it didn't turn us off to Star
Wars and it still existed a lot when we were kids.
And it's really this most recent trilogy that's kind of
turned us off. And it's funny how it's all cyclical.
But even though this original trilogy was not good, we
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still going into the next trilogy, and especially after Force
a Weekends, like didn't even consider the possibility that movie
wasn't gonna be good. It's just funny how your frame changes,
how your perspective changes.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
All right, let's get into the Gauntlet here, Mac fun factor.
There is an hour of this movie that is quite fun,
and the opening scene also fun.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, the last forty five minutes to hour is much fun,
and the first fifteen or so minutes is much fun,
and then in between that there is some fun.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
But it's at her satisfactor. Yes, you enjoy the final
hour that gives you the visuals of Anakin turning to
the dark side, but the prior hour of his reasoning
and his turn, it doesn't do it for me.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I would also add to that. As satisfying as it
is to see the turn, it's almost undercut by Padme
just dying due to a broken heart, Like that's so stupid.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
So just had children, you need to take care.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Of them, so fucking stupid.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I'm The best thing is that there's a line on
the movie of like she's perfectly healthy.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I don't get it, although there is some people that
believe that that Sidious was like behind the scenes making
sure that she did die to be that final push
to Vader of like you can't So how does he?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
How does he know? Here's my one question.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
For me, fucking medichlorians.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
That's the answered. How does she no? Anakin's vision and
his worry for Padme? You know he did?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah they're best friends.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Okay, he texted.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Him, He texted him, he shot him a hologram text borometer.
I don't know if I was bored, but there was
a great tweet that came out that said, outside of
the opening scene, every scene of this movie opens up
with two characters and then five seconds of nothing and
then conversation, which is true.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I wish I'd known that going into this rewatch. There's
some bore. A lot of the padme Anakin stuff is
pretty boring, but.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
It's the least boring of the prequel trilogy for sure.
I'll give you that Halloween, will this or has this
waned over time?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
People like it more? I guess Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I liked No, I really liked this movie as a kid,
and I really liked it leading into this rewatch. I
actually think I'm probably down a couple dogs after this rewatch. Yeah,
so I think it has wayned. Wayne aw quater World.
Is it better than water World? I think water World
looks better. That's all you had.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
That's look like. I think water Like. I think it's
slightly better than water World because of the final hour
of Anakin just going fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, No, this movie's better than water Work.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
But also this movie, and like they do a good
job of making the background look busy, but it looks
like a screensaver.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I mean it's still like peak technology at that time.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I know that, but it I don't like the look
of it fair enough, Max Credit Union, Who are you
giving credit to?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Oh boy, this is a tough one here. I guess
you can't give it to Portman. You McGregor is an
easy one. I think Samuel L. Jackson is Mace wind Douo.
Like that one scene when he assaults Palpatine's pretty great
and he's actually acting his dick off there. Ian McDermott
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isn't been doing it that much. But I guess I'll
give it to Samuel L. Jackson because every every time
he popped up in this in this trilogy, he was
he was fun and he was great.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
But life gives you plemens, you make plemonade. I don't
know of any of the smaller characters that did anything
or stole the show. How about that Jedi with the
with the conehead conehead Jedi? That guy.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I guess you could maybe apply this to Samuel Jackson too.
I like Jimmy Smith's actually is organa a lot in
the couple scenes he's in, he's pretty good. Christopher Lee
goes out quick as Dooku. Yeah, there's not. There's not
great plemonade in this because it's so heavy on our
main two characters.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Pants, ten City, Excite, Mike Mania, what got you going?
And very simple. It's pretty much from order sixty six on.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, Anakin approaching the Jedi Temple is a great shot,
really cool, and everything that happens from that point forward
is awesome, truly great Star Wars content. And even back then,
when you realize Anakin slaughtered kids, you're like, holy fuck,
Like I can't believe they actually did that.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
For those of you tardy to the Mac and Goop party,
we rate everything on a forty hot Dog rating system.
After this rewatch, where I thought the movie was balls
to the wall, front to the back action, it wasn't.
The first twenty minutes was some good Star Wars and
then you have about forty five minutes of just white
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and black. These guys are good, these guys are evil,
and Anakin is so one way and then out of
nowhere he is the other way. I really need that
fill in that you told me about with the show.
Which show is it?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Clone Wars with Clone.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Wars to really see that like he's been questioning the
Jedi way, it's not just that he wasn't getting a
promotion that he then switches teams like yeah in that show.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So they the movies do a good job showing him
questioning stuff, but it comes across more of like an
underlinking questioning something from his boss, not him questioning the
teachings of the Jedi, and the series they really help
put that over. He's questioning the teachings of the Jedi,
and he's growing really frustrated with the Jedi.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Okay, well, because what this comes across as is it's
Kobe and Shaq and they start to have a falling
out and then say he's Kobe and he's like, you
either trade him or you trade me.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, yeah, you're It just happens so quick in this movie.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
It's too quick, and there's there's not enough explaining of
like why he's doing this outside of the very simple
like oh, I can save your like come on, and yeah,
like they're being assholes to him, but you're gonna switch
everything around because a couple of guys are being assholes
to you, They're gonna die soon they're all old twenty
eight hot.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Dogs, Okay, all right, So contextually for the folks, I
would say there are five great Star Wars movies, all
three of the original trilogy. You have a New Hope,
Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, and then separate
from those three, I would say The Force Awakens in
Rogue one are great movies in different aspects, and then
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I think there's a drop off from those five to
where whatever tier you want to call it with this
the Rise of Skywalker and Solo, which are three entertaining movies,
but three also confusing movies, but I don't think they're bad.
Like Rise of Skywalker. I loved when it came out
because it shit on Ryan Johnson, but when you evaluate
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it in a vacuum, it's not It's not particularly great.
But like to me, those three are clearly above Phantom, Menace,
Last Jedi, and Attack of the Clones, and I think
I feel good with these three all around, Like thirty
thirty one Hot Dogs, like maybe twenty nine, thirty thirty one,
thirty two at its peak given the day, I'm not
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as low as you. I think it's like a perfect
see movie, like seventy five, thirty hot Dogs, maybe thirty one.
It's it's it's a It's a good movie. It could
have been much better.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Is it a good movie? Like on it it's a
good movie. Is it a good movie?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I think it is. I think it's a good movie
on its own. I think it could have been way better,
way better. And I also think we have a tendency
to overly criticize Star Wars as well because we love
it so much, so that I'm trying to take that
into account.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
But I also think that if this was if this
did not have the Star Wars label on it and
it was just a random sci fi movie, I don't
know how much love it would get.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
But I also have to give it a little bit
of credit in the way I did it. Rise of Skywalker.
It's coming off of.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
The bad movie. It's coming off the PA.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It wasn't you know, it had enough to work with.
So like, when you consider all those things, it is
it is a good movie. And I and I enjoy it,
and I and I'll get Shashank by the last hour
all the time.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, the last hour is great. Outside of the last
fifteen minutes. The last fifteen minutes. I guess we're in
spoilers now. The last fifteen minutes is redict you have Yoda.
First off, the Jedis are fucking quitters. Okay, you just
lost this battle, and Yoda's like inter echisos, I must go.
How about you fucking pull up your bootstraps and make
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a new plan.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well, he kicked because they don't know who's alive, so
he's basically got to retreat.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Well, yeah, so figure out, just go off to your
own planet and turn your brain to mush.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, but you you only know that because you've seen
the future part of the story. You don't know if
that's actually gonna happen or not.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
But that is what happened. This is the third movie.
But we've already seen episodes five and six.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
No, that's true, But he doesn't say I'm gonna like
go die on a swampy planet.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
That's kind of what he says into exile, I must go.
He should have with Obi Wan Kenobi not had this.
First off, their plan of splitting up the twins was
fucking stupid. They have put them in clear sight. They
have put them with a prominent political family, a one kid,
and then they gave the other kid to someone from
Anakin's home planet, where everyone on that planet should know
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the last name Skywalker because he's a famous guy.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
You would. So if I were gonna make this plan,
or if I was gonna keep the plan they had,
I would have swapped him. I would have put the
less important one, Leah, with the Skywalkers and the more
important one more hidden the way they did with Leah.
Although I guess you could say that the newer trilogy,
in some of the newer Star Wars media is trying
to make Lea as important as Luke. She's not, but
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that's what they're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Also, Padmey died of a broken heart.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
So dumb, so dumb, And that's why if that didn't happen,
I honestly might be two dogs higher. It bothers me
more than it did then, because then you like, you
don't care about padme because you know she's not gonna
work going forward, but then like she should matter because
she's so good in the first movie and a half.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I need to believe in my brain that Palpatine killed her.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I mean, he's obviously capable of a lot of things,
so I'm not saying that's not possible. But what we
get on the screen is fucking dumb, Like.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
What if she's asleep? And then he becomes Freddy Krueger.
Somehow Palpatine has returned. So the opening scroll I think
is one of their best, just because it starts with
the word war and you're like, I'm in for something here.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Ooh ooh, We're gone with the sand.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
We're gone with the sand. It's a nice, big bang, open,
lots of lightsabers, lots of fighting. You have a lightsaber
duel to start us off. It's a rematch of the
previous lightsaber duel that ended the second movie. And they escape.
It's a big escape.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah. And it shows you how much Anakin has grown
in between the two movies, because in the second movie,
Dooku's formidable. In this movie he's not at all.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Even without a hand, even with the midichlorians pouring out
of his hand, he still has enough to kill him.
She's pregnant, Padmes pregnant.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, And this leads to like the first kind of
stupid scene between the two, how she's like in the
shadows and he runs over kisses Hugser and he's like,
what you're pregnant. So then he turns into like, I
gotta do everything I can to defend the family. But like,
by the end of this movie, doesn't care about the kids.
He just cares about her, and that's weird too.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
He also chokes her.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah that's true, but she she never said she was.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Also, she finds out and knows that he killed many
of Youngling and she's like, I don't know she knows
she kills He doesn't say it, she says, he tells
her I killed young Ling.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Oh and yeah, yeah, yeah, when.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
We can get past this, I don't know if you should.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Well, I think she's trying to talk because I think
in that moment she realizes he's going to die or
obi Wan is going to die, and she's trying to
prevent that from happening, is how I read that.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
So you think that she's trying to lure him out
of this and then she'll leave him after possibly, Yes,
So I do like how busy Corussant looks like there's
always tons of stuff going on. I know, Easter egg wise,
the Millennium Falcon is there, the US NASA spaceship flies
by at one point out that that's pretty fun. Uh,
Palpatine the entire time, and I would be like, how
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old is Anakin in this movie?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I believe he's what in the first one and then seventeen.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
He's six in the first one, then with fourteen in
the second.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
He's like sixteen, Yeah, maybe fourteen or sixteen in the
second one, and she's four years older, five years old
or something like that, So I think she's supposed to
be four. I think they're eight and fourteen in the
first one and then sixteen and twenty two in the
second one.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Maybe I'm just making sure because this it's almost a
grooming situation.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
It is.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
It is, Yeah, okay, this is just because like, but
Anakin is above and I don't know how space age works.
Maybe younger is more because baby Yoda's over the.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Year have different laws there.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
It's a lot of it's a lot of very weird stuff.
But you know, uh, he treats him nice, he tells
him nice things. He compliments him a lot. When you
have the Jedi Council was constantly like Anakin, you suck.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, No, it's it's they do a good job in
this movie at least showing you like.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
No, because it's Chai. It's too black and white. It's
all too black and white.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I agree in general, but there they they got to
do it in the second act. All they have is
the second act to show you that he's flipping towards
the dark side, and so they're making it rather obvious
as to why.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
But it's just crazy that they have no trust for
Anakin at all, and they keep on like, hey, you
got to keep an eye on Anakin around that Palpatine.
How about you don't let him by his side. They
keep on putting it on Obi wan Kenobi. You guys
are in charge of everybody, Just put the put one
of the different Jedis with them.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I agree. And this is one of the things that
they don't really resolve well in the Clone Wars is
because that whole series is talking about how Anakin doesn't
really like to listen to anything, so he's like the
biggest loose cannon, but he's also like their most powerful
and they already kind of know that. So it's a
dangerous combination to put him underneath potentially who is who
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you suspect to be the Emperor.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
When he does make that turn, he's like, I am
at your liege, my master, Like this is this is
really bad. I don't like this dialogue at all.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, and and uh, we get the line when they're
sitting in that big bubble opera as you have so
poetically and this is what gets kind of paid off
in The Acolyte. But people didn't like that show. Palpatine says,
did you ever hear of the tragedy of darth Plagus
the Wise, who presumably is Palpatine's mentor he was the
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two when when Plagas was the.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
One and Palpatine killed him.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, and he never outright says it, but he implies it.
H this is what starts Anakin down that path for sure,
thinking about his vision of Padme and saving Padme, because
in this conversation he says, Plagas came up with the power,
developed this power to save people, and this is really
the seed that gets planned the Anakin really starts to cultivate.
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And also it's implied in this original trilogy as a whole,
because it gets picked up in Phantom Menace that Anakin
has created He's not created via sexually, but created by
the force that dark charean. Yeah, this whole medical Orean
thing and Plagis and Palpatine and we also get into
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that in the Aclyte too. I think people got to
appreciate the act like, we don't know if we.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Do, it's kind of boring, you know, it's not boring
chic rookies.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, I like whookies. Who doesn't like Yoda.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Sing Chewbacca thank you? It's all right, come on, we
don't need to have Chewbacca here.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
But I like that we have a little rocket and
group thing that Yoda can climb up on Chewbacca's like shoulder.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
You got a nice lizard chase. That's pretty cool where Oh,
we didn't even mention Grievous. Grievous is pretty cool in
this but from what I've what I've done a little
of my in my research, he's a lot cooler in
the animated stuff.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
He's awesome in the Clone Wars awesome. So in the
animated stuff they deal with Grievous a lot, Dooku a
little bit, and then other like bounty hunters and shit
like that. Grievous plays a big part in Clone Wars.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I also thought one of the funniest lines too, is
when Grievous is like I've been trained in lightsabers by
count Dooku and then he does something that no human
being can do where he starts rotating like fucking Pinwi.
I know he has farms and he's like, I was
trained by this man. He's like, but check this out,
no one trained you to do that.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
It's true he.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Does have foe arms on. It's pretty cool. You also
get the line of so uncivilized, but also prior to that,
hello there.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
That's great line. One of the best line deliverers in
All the.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Stars got a cup of two. Three nice deaths in
this movie too grievous Dooku like pretty visually graphic depths.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, they really because they kind of hold back in
the first two movies, or I guess after after we
lose Nissan's the hell's this character? After we lose Qui Gone,
we don't get many deaths, so they finally unleash him
here in this movie.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
The Palpatine lightsaber battle is fucking hilarious. He so bad
does this cool spin move with a scream that so
it's Mace in what four lights four and.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Three other Jedi, one of them being Plokun who's hastag
Justice for Plokun, and then two other ones who don't
even swing at him. They just get like got assures.
The spinny, spinny Palpatine lance so dumb.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I wish that Samuel L. Jackson was like, why weren't
you ready? He telegraphed his move. He screamed, does the
Sith scream freeze people? Is that what it does?
Speaker 2 (42:29):
No? No, that was just a ridiculous campy thing.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
I also, I've seen that Palpatine when it came to
mace Windu, he was just playing with his food. He
could have killed mace Windhu almost immediately, but he needed
Anakin to see this.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
That's one hundred percent true. Like I think for sure
Palpatine is playing possum there and hopes that Anakin makes
the switch he does, but I think he is fully
capable of killing mace Windhu there fully.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
But also like, if I'm sidious, I'm not trying to
look like a shriveled up ball sack. I would have
taken it up to that point. So you still look
pretty cool. Now you're just like a little bit like
a fucking pug.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah. I but and this is where I call in
the question some things too, because Anakin says he must
live talking about Palpatine the council will deal with him.
Yet he was so eager to chop Douku's head off
like that.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Oh no, so he was saying that because he wanted
him alive in jail, just long enough to learn how
to keep people alive.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
No, I get that's I get, that's true. I guess,
And you know what bothers shit out of me. If
I'm gonna be a lord, let me pick my fucking name.
Don't anoint me Lord Vader. Let me pick my goddamn name.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Or like flip a coin, have a couple of choices.
Have people go on Twitter and vote who should Anakin be. Also,
we got past the last so Obi Wan and Anakin
split at the fifty minute mark. That's the last time
those characters ever see each other because the next time
they meet up, he's Darth Vader.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
It's Vader.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, what the okay? So after that ridiculous scene of
Palpatine dealing with Mace Windu the other I I'm your
servant master, we get Order sixty six. The thing is
kicked into a whole new level and the movie's actually
pretty dope.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Now, Yeah, I actually I think my favorite line in
this movie is when Obi Wan goes to tell Padme
that Anakin's flipped, and she's like in disbelief, and he
knows he's like smell if he smells it. But he
realizes she's pregnant, and he says, Anakin is the father,
isn't he? I'm so sorry? Like the way he delivers
it is a great line, and he hops off, so
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she thinks, but he actually stows away on her ship
to go confront Anakin because he knows first place she's
gonna go is to Anakin.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Right, And so when she gets to most of far
that's how that's the pronunciation correct, Kustafar Mustafar. And she's
out there and she's like, oh, so this is your
new office. You work in Hell. Now at that point
I'd say, oh, you know, because the comparisons of this
is this is Lucifer. It's you know, he's a fallen
angel and now he runs Hell. At that point, I'd say, uh, oh,
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I feel like he's made some moves.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
And she's actually doing some acting in that scene up
until then I'll ask her to do anything. But she's
great in that scene, very very emotional.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
The Yoda verse city is like I said, Yoda acting
like he knew all along. Get out of my face
with that. That's a pretty I think that might be
the best Yoda battle that we've seen out of all
these movies.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I agree, But when we first see him flip around
in the second movie, I hated it.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
I hated it so much it's stunk. I'll be one
verus Anakin's fucking great. That might be. While I like
the heavy feel of the newer lightsaber battles, like like
they feel like they're heavy swords, Like this is the
best choreographed stuff though.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, and the fight is picking up on all the
themes of their history too, and it's a really good
job retelling their history during this lightsaber fight, and I
really like that. By the end, when when Obi Wan
gets to Moose to fight Are, I think a little
bit of him still has faith that Anakin's in there,
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and that's why he lets Padme have a conversation. But
once he sees how Anakin treats Padme, he knows Anakin's dead.
And so at the end of this lightsaber battle, he's
not remorseful, he's not upset. He's like disappointed that it
worked out the way it did, you know, And I
really like. I think the best scene of the movie
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is obi Wan screaming at him like you were the
chosen one. Like it's a great, great scene.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
I also love the idea of so yes obi Wan
had the high ground. We know that in The Phantom
Menace he did not have the high ground, yet he
still beat Darth Maul. But I would assume that Anakin
knew of that story and he's like, you think you're
better than me, that you could defeat a sith Lord
while he had the high ground. I'm gonna fucking show you.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Yeah, it's it's an interesting thing, but I do think
it's as easily explained as Anakin thinks he's better than everyone,
can do anything, can do anything, better than everyone.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I think it's more that he thought he was better
than obi Wan, that obi Wan did it. I'm gonna
do it too, I'm better than you.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
And he's so fueled by hate that he's not thinking
clearly as well.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Also, the burning of Anakin's body is quite gruesome.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
It is quite quite cruesome.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
As like as the smoke fills his eyes. You but
I'm not even sure if he does hate him.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I don't know, as we've seen their future encounters. He
still does not like Kobe Wan.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
If you're not with me, then you're against me. On
my sets down at absolute final hour of this movie,
does crank you know what? Twenty nine hot dogs?
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Man, there you go creeping up nice nice? See average there.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
It's real nice. We already talked about pretty much anything
after this isn't great, although building the Frankenstein monster of
Darth Vader where you hear the heartbeat until the mask
goes on his face is pretty cool. They ruined it
with and now that's all well anyone talks about from that.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
I don't think they ruined it with the notes the no.
They chose the specific no. But I like the idea.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
You know, he should have said Padme's dead. No, Padme's dead.
God nuts damn nab it foiled again?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
At what point, yeah, in vaderdom Vader, does he realize
obviously he throws Palpatine over the edge for Luke. Does
he realize that Palpatine's the reason Padme died?
Speaker 1 (48:33):
I don't know enough about the situation to comment, I'll
tell you that much. At what point do you think
he said to himself, I've made a huge mistake. It
might be at that point. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
It's a good question because I mean, think about Rogue one, right,
eighteen years later, you know he's still full on with Palpatine,
so he's still like a full blown servant of Palpatines.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Let's get into Maxack and mac Sak could be anything
that could be a boat and marketing wise for this movie,
it was not quite the impact that The Phantom Menace had,
but it was more than Clones. So the first teaser
for this movie dropped on November fourth, I'm sorry, November
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of two thousand and four. The first trailer was in
March of five. There was tons of Darth Vader merch.
It was the first time that Darth Vader was in
a movie since nineteen eighty three, so they went hog
wild on that. Has Bro had a field day. There
were some cool sets where Anakin goes in, you flip
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the fire and then Darth Vader's in there.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
I also remember, as so this came out what when
we were sixteen, and the prime movie came out when
we were thirteen. I remember not loving Attack of the
Clones but still being okay because it was like Star
Wars action. And then I remember in the year since
because we have online access, we start picking up sort
of a hive mind thing that a lot of people
didn't like that movie, but I remember people justifying, like,
(50:06):
it's okay because we're getting Darth Vader guaranteed in the
next one. So the like interest for it went down
and then like back up as the movie was approached. Well.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
It was also billed as the final movie of this
Star Wars saga. You need to see this to get
this final chapter. M Burger King had tie in collectible
toys with the Happy meals and also hologram watches which
were two bucks with the purchase of a value meal.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Whoa.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
PS two and Xbox had games that spoiled the movie.
They actually came out a week before the movie was released.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
The PS two game for this movie is Fucking Awesome,
Great fucking game.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Nintendo DS also had a side scrolling version of the game.
Lego Star Wars Game covered the prequels with one of
their games, Brick by Brick. I think it was called
something like that. Tons of Lego sets that also came
out for this. Kellogg's had a light up lightsaber spoon.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
I remember these.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
It came in the boxes. Pringles had a tie in
where the top prize if you found a lightsaber sticker
in your pringles can was lightsaber training with Lucasfilm stunt team.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
That seems fake. I don't remember any kid ever, I
don't do that.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
But that seems like a really cool fucking top prize right.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, it's a fucking Willie Waka situation there.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Also, I highly recommend this if you haven't seen it.
I'm sure everyone has watched the behind the scenes of
Hating Christensen and Ewan McGregor doing their lightsaber battles because
they do their stunts for the most part, it's very cool.
Seven to eleven also had Darth Vader cups with special
flavored mountain dew called dark Do.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I'll tell you, anytime dude does a specialty flavor, it slaps,
it always hits.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
And then Eminem's had a tie in and a commercial
where Darth Vader met the red and yellow Eminem's and
he choked the red eminem.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
You would think you would choke the yllow one since
red would be.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Hear me out flipping around. Maybe No, I didn't do
enough research.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
And like you want to, you want to choke the
yellow one. Crack it open and eat that peanut.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
You know I wouldn't choke it though, I would just
eat it full. Why would you choke it and pull
the peanut out? You want the full Eminem?
Speaker 2 (52:10):
I like peanut Eminem's. I love frozen peanut and minem
the best.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
What is your favorite frozen candy? I think it's peanut
and M and M's hair me out Charleston Chew.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
I do let but strawberry frozen Charleston chew.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Any frozen Charleston Chew. That's where it's at.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
I'm picking up what you're putting down there.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Are we gonna do a frozen candy tier something that's
very specific. We've already done candy tears, but now it's
frozen time.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
We're gonna make it very confusing. In the same tiering system,
we're gonna tear breads and frozen candies.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah, breads and frozen candies. That's the title of the episode,
Breads and Frozen Candies. Mac. Where can the people find us?
Speaker 2 (52:51):
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Speaker 1 (53:19):
Tepublic dot com. Check us out. At the end of
the week, maybe we'll have thunderbolts. If we don't, that'll
be on Monday or Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
I am too rowdy. T's got to optimistic plus ninety
ninety plus right now?
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Oh is it really? I didn't even see that.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
So we'll see what happens. But yeah, we'll have thunderbolts
soon and then we'll get back into like a rotation
and then after after thunderbolts, breads and frozen candies.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
If I look the Attack of the Clones and those.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
I think I want some time off. I have no
interest in watching Attack of the Clones Tuesdays or goosdays.
I abuse kangaroos. Tam Burton Bye. Please flip the cassette
over to side B to continue the adventure. Now it's
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not for girls jumping on trampopallines.
On March nineteenth, twenty oh five. We were just finishing
McK and I, by the way, finishing up sophomore year
in high school. Several significant events occurred on this day.
Corey Booker broke the Senate's record for the longest floor speech,
and Morgan Stanley was ordered to pay Ron Perelman one
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point four to five billion dollars. Additionally, NASA's spirit Rover
captured a sunset on Mars. Reggie Miller played his final
NBA game for the Indiana Pacers, and the work print
DVD of the film Invasion of the Body Snatchers was released.
Recording two Birthday Jams dot com. Hollaback Girl by Gwen
(00:46):
Stefani was the number one song on the chart.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Shit R and b A Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Was Slow Down by Bobby Valentino, Country My Give a
Dams Busted by Joe d. Messina. Alternative was Holiday by
Green Day. The dance track was It's Like That by
Mariah and opening up at the box office was Star
Wars episode six, Revenge of.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
The Sith three.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
What did I say?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Six?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Check the tape?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, dude, two thousand and five, you bring up Hall
of Back Girl and this shit is by that.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I know you interrupted me with that stupid little thing. There.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We're clearly passionate about Star Wars talking about a movie
that's twenty years old. You know what I'm also passionate about.
And hear me out on this one, or correct me
if I'm wrong. Flavored brets. I think that banana bread
might be the number one Brett. It might be the
number one Brett.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
It's a good flavored bread. I don't know if I
love that transition from one to the other.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Right there, it's better than cornbread. Can you give me that?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
No cornbread is delicious. A good corn bread is really
where it's at.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I mean, I know it's good. I'm not saying it's bad.
I'm saying banana bread is better, then greater.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Then I don't want to do this, but it does
look like our next episode that we do not have
filled in might be tearing bread breads, or if those
don't qualify as real breads, it might be cakes. Whatever
we're gonna do, we're gonna be tearing something that has
to do where we deal.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Like a banana bread and a corn bread is more
like a muffin than anything.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Right, Well, they can be used for anything.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, you wouldn't use it for a sandwich.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
You could use it for a sandwich, depending on what
you're putting inside.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
You know what I use for sandwich, a facaca.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Ficasha's are very nice too, But I'm saying like you
could make a sandwich. You can make a nice chili
sandwich out of corn bread.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't care for that. I can make a butter
sandwich out of banana bread.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
You can make a nice peanut butter and jelly out
of banana bread too.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh well, now I'm intreat color me intrigued by that combination.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Also, not to get too inappropriate here, but something about
that Gwen Stefani music video really did it for me.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Ah yeah, well, I would say, uh not the get
the path too far, but based on the appearance of
your wife, I see what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh my goodness, are you talking. I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Maybe is that where it began.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I remember because I didn't have cable in my bedroom,
but you could get MTV two on a non cable television,
so that would be on MTV two a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
You know what I really dug in college was MTVu.
It was like underrated or unheard of artists music videos
on a loop. It was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So that's what happened on that day, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Five one three, Yeah, job three, King of Queen.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Middle Street entertain go and I'm Mac and I'm wearing
my freshest pair of audio sneakers right now because we
are talking about the five Classic Star Wars episode three.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
There you go, and I'm wearing my blue in support
of the good guys here, not the non Sith, the
Jedi and everyone else, I suppose, although I think I
think I would go green lightsaber if I had to
go green or blue, So maybe I should be wearing
green right now.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
I like red red really pops.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Uh. And of course this prequel series introduced purple lightsabers,
and then canonically lightsabers got all over the place. We
got yellow, orange, we got all sorts of colors.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well, didn't Samuel L. Jackson demand a lightsaber that no
one else had?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yes? Yeah, but then it actually worked out perfectly because
it's like blue with a tinger. Red therefore becomes purple.
So it's someone that's like fringe Jedi, which Mace Windu
was goo. You know what this movie makes me think
of in two different areas. Is the show the actlyte
that came out what last year? Number one? They mentioned
Darth Plagers. Number two. In the aclte, we see one
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of the coolest scenes we've ever seen in Star Wars
is someone bleeding the crystal of a lightsaber. And I
wish they had introduced that in this movie because that
would have been fucking awesome. If when Obi Wan and
Anakin go to battle at the climax of this movie,
that Anakin had bled his crystal and the blue lightsaber
(05:32):
turned red, that would have been amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It would have been cool. But was there enough time?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, would have taken eight seconds.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
That sounds like a lot of seconds. They had to
spend more time on Annie having himself a selk.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You know Star Wars E three Revenge of the Sith,
Like Goo said May nineteen, two thousand and five, this
movie was made in one hundred and thirteen million dollar budget.
It opened to one hundred and eight million dollars domestically.
Goo in the theaters that weekend when Revenge of the
Scyth was number one at number two. Monster in Law, Yes,
that's right, Monster in Law starring Jane Fonda, And was
(06:06):
that j Loo on that that was j LO and
then the Will Ferrell underrated comedy Kicking and Screaming, The
Oscar Best Picture winning Crash finished fourth. That's that week,
and Unleashed a Jetly movie finished fifth. So that brings
you back to a time place.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
You know what's actually crazy is the next week. So
this dropped about fifty percent and what came out, so
it's still won, but it just beat out The Longest
Yard and the new Madagascar movie that both made over
fifty million dollars. What a great weekend. You have three
movies over fifty million dollars, three movies over fifty, three
movies over fifty.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I don't know if that's ever happened.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I don't even know if that's possible.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
That's a quite one of our listeners google that. Yeah,
let us know.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I also might have just made that up.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Vengea well, if it dropped only fifty percent, then it
definitely made over.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Well, maybe the other two are just under fifty. I
always round up or round a round matter.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
This movie is rated PG thirteen. It is an epic tragedy,
action and adventure so with some real bullshit subgenres here
goo action epic adventure epic dark fantasy, fantasy, epic sci fi,
epic space sci fi.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It doesn't even need any of those. The sub genre
should just be Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
This movie has a runtime of one hundred and forty minutes,
and it oddly doesn't feel long even on rewatch, like
it doesn't feel like it's two hours and twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
It almost because the last half of the movie works
at a breakneck speed.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, there are some downtimes here when you're dealing with
Annie and Padme conversations, but because of where they're placed,
it doesn't completely ruin the movie. I don't know, in
two hours and twenty minutes, it didn't feel like that,
so I gotta give it credit. Even twenty years later,
it feels pretty well paid.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Also, the opening twenty minute scene is balls to the
Wall and they give you lightsaber stuff right away.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, for sure, it's a good open, great conclusion, and
then the middle is fine enough.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
But yes, on.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Roddy tz this says seventy nine percent from the critics,
sixty six percent from the audience. To compare that to
the two prior movies in this trilogy, This prequel trilogy,
Phantom Menace got fifty four percent fifty nine percent. Attack
of the Clones got sixty one percent fifty six percent
from the audience, So the critics are telling you this
definitively better than those two. Audience is saying slightly better.
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On Metacritic, a sixty eight compared to a fifty one
from Menus fifty four from Clones. So definitively, head and shoulders.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Sixty eight is pretty good, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Sixty eight is pretty good. Sixty eight is pretty good
other than the original three, and I think Rogue one
this might have the next highest score. It's interesting to
think that in retrospect we look back and like, definitively say,
Attack of the Clones is the worst Star Wars movie
ever made, and the people didn't feel that at the time.
(08:58):
At the time they rated it rough with the same
as Phantom Menace. Is that because Phantom Menace has mal
and age is a little better?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Is that why I think there's more rose colored glasses
when it comes to that movie.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Okay, all right, don't this movie's good good, This movie's
baseline good. It's definitely better than the other two. But
it's interesting to think because if you're rating the eleven
star Wars cinematic releases we've had. I think I have
this smack dab in the middle at like six, like
I have the original three, Rogue one and A Force
Awakens definitively better than this movie, and then this movie,
(09:33):
and maybe like Solo kind of float on its own
in the middle, and then everything else is below it.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I definitely have it around five or six. I might
like it better than episode six, But having just watched it,
I disagree with myself.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, I disagree with you there too. I winced.
Of course. This movie is written and directed by George Lucas.
He was at the Helm for all three of these prequels. Synopsis.
As the Clone Wars nears its end, Obi Wan Kenobi
pursues a new threat while Anakin Skywalker is lured by
Chanceelor Palpatine into a sinister plot for galactic domination. It
is important to note, obviously in the year since three
(10:11):
years after this movie they come out with a Clone
Wars movie and then start kick off the series Clone Wars,
which fills in the I think it's like seven year
gap or five year gap between the second and third
movie and provides context to a lot of things and
drops the seeds for a lot of what happens in
this movie. Goo Goo's multiple hands raised.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Okay, I was gonna ask you, does that show make
this movie better? It does, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
But it is. I feel like they created that show
almost as an apology for the shit storm that the
first two movies were, because they somewhat nail the landing
in this movie, so they needed a little bit more
background in context planting the seeds for how Anakin becomes Vader,
and in that show, what you see, what you get
some glimpses of in the second and third movies. Here
(11:05):
is Anakin being different than all the other Jedi, being
sort of counter.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay, all I wanted. That's really all I wanted from
this movie. And I know that Sith's work in absolutes Anakin.
Outside of the decapitation of Doku, he Dakuka take it
at his dootoo, But I fucked that up real bad.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I don't know what you said, but I liked it.
I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Outside of the decapitation of Douku. He is so absolute Jedi,
he is so into everything Jedi, and that's all he wants.
And then almost on the flip of a switch. He's like, fuck,
you know what, I'm sith, give me a little bit
of that in between.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I agree, No, I totally agree. And that's really what
Clone Wars does, especially in the latter half of the series.
It really brings to light how Anakin and Ahsoka really question.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
That's okay, what the Jedi is. Okay, that's all I want,
because all this movie does is Annie wants to be
a master Jedi and they keep telling him no, right,
he wants a job promotion, and they're saying, you're still
a smidge too young.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, So that's why I've been telling you for years now.
I think I ended up watching Clone Wars. I don't know,
six or seven years ago that dees value you have,
that want like Clone Wars is really I think you're
really gonna like it. There are definitely some many skippable episodes,
but the best of Clone Wars gets into this stuff.
It gets into Ahsoka and Anakin questioning why the Jedi
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are doing this or that, and really bringing to light
that there's minute differences between the dark side and the
light side, and we see how it plays out with
Ahsoka where she becomes this sort of gray Jedi and
it works out somewhat opposite for Anakin. But that's that's
at the core of what makes the Clone Wars series
good is the two main characters are questioning everything they've
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ever been taught. And the third character there is Obi Wan,
who's still steadfast Jedi, but he sort of sees and
understands why those two characters are leaning in that direction.
So it's a really really good story in that show.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Also, this movie really makes me think that Yoda is
an asshole.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
How do you mean?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Okay? So, first off, he tells Anakin that death is
just a natural part of life. But then at the
end of the movie, he's like, hey, Obi Wan, hear this.
When you die, you can be a force ghost. What
happened to this natural part of life?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, it's the force ghost stuff. Almost speaks to like
your I know.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It's a spiritual thing, but that kind of gets rid
of like the natural part of it. Also when he
and we'll get into it when we get into like
the timeline of the movie, but when he goes to
to confront Darth Sidius and he walks in the room
and he acts like he knew the whole time. Bro,
you just found out it was right under your nose.
(14:05):
You think you're cool. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
About that, although I do like when he walks in
and just goes yeah no and the new guards splash.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
You know, that's what makes you forget a little bit.
But you need to remember it's been three movies, a
span of what fourteen years, ten years whatever it is, Right,
he's been right there. You didn't know.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Shut the fuck up. Yeah, And that's that's I know.
The turn happened so quick for everyone. Like they assign
Anakin to Palpatine.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Which is just an insane thing. You don't trust him.
You have nothing but trust in obi Wan Kenobi. You
put obi Wan Kenobi at the feet of this Chancellor
and then Anakin his strength seems to be side quests.
He does an amazing job at side quests. You give
(14:57):
him the job that you've been given. Obi Wan. Like
even at the beginning of the movie, obi Wan Kenobi's like,
fuck it, let these uh let these people die, and
Anakin's like, no, let's save everybody, and obi Wan's like,
that's not what our job is. So have him go
and sit with the Chancellor and not be brainwashed. While
Anakin is out there fucking doing a good job.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I know there's a time jump between two and three.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
It's the hubris of the Jedi.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And this is before, obviously the Clone Wars series. I
wish that the end of two had come a little later,
or you start three a little earlier on the timeline,
a year or whatever, and give us the seeds that
there were doubt and already shit going on with Palpatine,
so that the Jedi don't figure it out, and then
(15:45):
instantly he's Darth City, you know what I mean, Like
it all happens too quick, and I wish there was
a little bit more in that regard in this whole trilogy.
I mean, because the viewer knows. The viewer knows from
the jump, and it's a little annoying that in the
eleven Vour that the Jedi figure it out because they
have all sorts of influence in There's people everywhere, and
(16:05):
there should have been a few more of them that
are like, Hey, this Palpatine fella ain't what he's all
cracked up.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Also, once Palpatine turns into a shriveled up ball sack,
I'm saying I'm not following you anymore. I feel like
I'm gonna remain hot if I if I'm a Jedi,
I could turn into this. No, thank you. He does
follow him and then he becomes deformed.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Well, the whole promise is he's doing it to save Padme.
That's the whole time.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I'm picking the side where I can be hot.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Uh. Speaking of hotness, Goo, the stars of this movie.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
You and McGregor are the stars of this war.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Natalie Portman. That's Padme, who exists in this movie only
to serve Anakin's story. It's very disappointing.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Oh terrible. She's so good in the first one. She
might be the standout of the first movie. I forget
what we said. The second one too, second one too.
This is just like he's just a forgotten character. Who
is dad damselone distress?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Here She's a warrior, a fighter, a badass in the
first movie, and then now she's just a damsel in distress. Strictly,
they had to serve Anakin's story, and I think they
ran into this issue because they had to tell this
Vader transformation story and they just completely throw Padme to
the side. Who might be the best character from their
first two movies. Sons Obi Wan like it's very frustrating,
(17:24):
especially now, and like especially with the context of Clone Wars,
who Padme plays a decent part in that as well. Like,
it's just really annoying that they throw her aside and
like completely don't use her or misuse her. I guess,
for lack of a better term, Hayden Christensen is Anakin Skywalker.
Now in the second movie, he's like an eighteen year
old with a stupid little braid. In this movie, he's
(17:45):
like twenty something, has formed his own opinions and has
his own motives and desires, And I think it's important
to note the decision to give him like mid two
thousand's emo band hair is perfect.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I really like absolutely no notes on his hair. I
like it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Ian McDermott as Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, I've always gone back
and forth on him. I like him when he's cloaked Emperor.
His performance of this movie is all over the place,
all fucking over the place, because he's like making noises,
doing weird face things. Like I know he's supposed to
be this sniveling, you know, Emperor, but I don't care
(18:26):
for the performance as a whole.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I also don't find a lot of what he's telling
Anakin to be very convincing or swaying outside of him
being like, oh, you are a good boy, and he
calls him son once like that's like there's yeah, okay,
getting a couple of compliments over here. Sure, and the
Jedi are being assholes to me, but I don't know. Sure, Yeah,
(18:48):
you can promise me that you can bring someone back
to life. Do you have any proof?
Speaker 2 (18:52):
And then the rest of our cast Samuel L. Jackson's
Mace Window, Jimmy Smith's Senator Baylor Ghana Frank Oz is
the voice of Yoda. Anthony Daniels, Christopher Les, Count Dooku,
who's great in this trilogy. By the way, he's really
good as Dooku. Keisha Castle Hughes is the Queen of Naboo.
Silas Carson has newt Gunray Tamuraw Morrison is Commander Cody,
and of course he's the clone that they're all cloned after.
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I'm ed best as jar Jar Banks Kenny Baker's AR
two D two And also it's funny to note the
rise and fall of jar Jar over this trilogy, how
he's so prominent and then barely exists in this movie.
Peter Mayhew is Chewbacca, Genevieve O'Reilly's man Matha, and Matthew
Wood as the voice of General Grievous.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Chewbacca feels so shoehorned into this movie, but also my
favorite facial reaction in this entire thing comes in first
ten to fifteen ish minutes of the movie when Palpatine
tells Anakin to kill Douku, and Duku just looks like us.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
A part of the plan, Yeah yeah, and also calls
into question why Anakin is so against killing Palpatine later
because he's like, no, anagain.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Once he kills him, is like, I shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. It's It's a great little
moment with Douku though, because Douku, you know, there's always
two rule of two, and Douku's number two in command.
And then he's like, oh, this is where the Emperor
is gonna save me. Nope, cuts his head off. Now
has this new numbers.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It's like, oh, you met you two, not like us two.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
You met U two, right, And it's funny thinking now,
obviously we weren't aware then, but in the context of
the Clone Wars, like Mall is still around operating around here,
so he still exists thinking about his storyline, and I
think we're going to get into a lot of Emperor
Mall stuff coming in the animated Mall series, so I'm
looking forward to that. Uh goot. This movie is also
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nominated for Best Makeup at the two thousand and six Oscars.
On the whole, this movie looks pretty good. It looks
pretty good.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
We probably would have looked this up. Did it win
anything at the MTV Movie Awards?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Great question. I don't know, but it doesn't think it
won Best Kiss.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
It didn't win Best Kiss because Obi Wan and Anakin
did not kiss at the end like we all wanted.
It might have won Best Kiss for or the second
movie though, because there was a kiss. There was a
big smooch, wasn't there.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, real big smooch first, big smooch.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
All right. Before we get to the Gauntlet and a
little bit of timelining, I do want to give you
guys the proper viewing order when watching Star Wars movies,
as according to Mace and Gooo. This is the order
that we have discussed Star Wars. So when you are
introducing a new Star Wars viewers to Star Wars. You
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need to watch it in the order that we have.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Discussed that we have discussed it yet.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
So the first movie up is Rogue one. We talked
about that episode twelve, the second one best in series,
so just watch a super cut of all the movies together.
We did that episode seventy eight. Then we have Last Jedi,
which was episodes seventy nine and eighty, followed by Solo
at one fourteen. The Force Awakens is episode two hundred
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and twenty four. Then the Rise of Skywalker. You have
to watch that twice because we talked about it twice
on two twenty eight and two twenty nine. Then we
go to the Mandalorian seasons one and then two that's
two thirty two and two eighty three. Then the Book
of Bobo that is three forty three, then the Mandalorian
Season three that's four fourteen. Then you go on to
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Ahsoka that's four thirty. Then you jump all the way
back to the Phantom Menace that is four sixty one.
Then you jump even further back to the Empire Strikes
Back that's four sixty six. Then you jump all the
way back forward to the Acolyte, and now we are
here at episode five ten, I believe.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
So the only movie we haven't talked about is Attack of.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
The Clones, Attack of the Clones, Return of the Jedi,
and a New Hope.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Oh oh Swift. Okay, all right, I guess I should
have been paying more attention.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Or just look at the fucking list on our dock.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Uh. This movie is like thinking about Wall. Just thinking
about the things you just listed is such an up
and down ride. I'd like to go back and listen
to Our Last Jedi.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I was gonna say so. First off, we do not
recommend our Rise of Skywalker, either of those episodes. We
do not recommend Our Last Jedi because they're not good episodes.
I would say anything, I think anything from prior to
a month ago. It's shit. It's garbage, all of the episodes.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And it'll just be interesting to see how our frame
of things changes, because we're kids that grew up on
this trilogy, right, and so when The Force Awakens comes
out in twenty fourteen or twenty fifteen, we're all fucking
jazzed up. We're apologists for the original trilogy, we are
apologists for the prequel trilogy. We love the original trilogy.
Now we kick off a brand new trilogy and awesome,
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you know, an awesome fashion. And then we get to
the Last Jedi and we're like, what Star Wars can
be bad?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So this prequel trilogy right now is in a bit
of a renaissance where people are now just showing their
love for it. Hayden Christiansen is the face of Star
Wars again.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, Like my dad grew up on the original trilogy
and really fell out of love of Star Wars because
of the prequel trilogy, and because we were kids during
the prequel trilogy, it didn't turn us off to Star
Wars and it still existed a lot when we were kids.
And it's really this most recent trilogy that's kind of
turned us off. And it's funny how it's all cyclical.
But even though this original trilogy was not good, we
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still going into the next trilogy, and especially after Force
a Weekends, like didn't even consider the possibility that movie
wasn't gonna be good. It's just funny how your frame changes,
how your perspective changes.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
All right, let's get into the Gauntlet here, Mac fun factor.
There is an hour of this movie that is quite fun,
and the opening scene also fun.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, the last forty five minutes to hour is much fun,
and the first fifteen or so minutes is much fun,
and then in between that there is some fun.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
But it's at her satisfactor. Yes, you enjoy the final
hour that gives you the visuals of Anakin turning to
the dark side, but the prior hour of his reasoning
and his turn, it doesn't do it for me.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I would also add to that. As satisfying as it
is to see the turn, it's almost undercut by Padme
just dying due to a broken heart, Like that's so stupid.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
So just had children, you need to take care.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Of them, so fucking stupid.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I'm The best thing is that there's a line on
the movie of like she's perfectly healthy.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I don't get it, although there is some people that
believe that that Sidious was like behind the scenes making
sure that she did die to be that final push
to Vader of like you can't So how does he?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
How does he know? Here's my one question.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
For me, fucking medichlorians.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
That's the answered. How does she no? Anakin's vision and
his worry for Padme? You know he did?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah they're best friends.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Okay, he texted.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Him, He texted him, he shot him a hologram text borometer.
I don't know if I was bored, but there was
a great tweet that came out that said, outside of
the opening scene, every scene of this movie opens up
with two characters and then five seconds of nothing and
then conversation, which is true.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I wish I'd known that going into this rewatch. There's
some bore. A lot of the padme Anakin stuff is
pretty boring, but.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
It's the least boring of the prequel trilogy for sure.
I'll give you that Halloween, will this or has this
waned over time?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
People like it more? I guess Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I liked No, I really liked this movie as a kid,
and I really liked it leading into this rewatch. I
actually think I'm probably down a couple dogs after this rewatch. Yeah,
so I think it has wayned. Wayne aw quater World.
Is it better than water World? I think water World
looks better. That's all you had.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
That's look like. I think water Like. I think it's
slightly better than water World because of the final hour
of Anakin just going fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, No, this movie's better than water Work.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
But also this movie, and like they do a good
job of making the background look busy, but it looks
like a screensaver.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I mean it's still like peak technology at that time.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I know that, but it I don't like the look
of it fair enough, Max Credit Union, Who are you
giving credit to?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Oh boy, this is a tough one here. I guess
you can't give it to Portman. You McGregor is an
easy one. I think Samuel L. Jackson is Mace wind Douo.
Like that one scene when he assaults Palpatine's pretty great
and he's actually acting his dick off there. Ian McDermott
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isn't been doing it that much. But I guess I'll
give it to Samuel L. Jackson because every every time
he popped up in this in this trilogy, he was
he was fun and he was great.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
But life gives you plemens, you make plemonade. I don't
know of any of the smaller characters that did anything
or stole the show. How about that Jedi with the
with the conehead conehead Jedi? That guy.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I guess you could maybe apply this to Samuel Jackson too.
I like Jimmy Smith's actually is organa a lot in
the couple scenes he's in, he's pretty good. Christopher Lee
goes out quick as Dooku. Yeah, there's not. There's not
great plemonade in this because it's so heavy on our
main two characters.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Pants, ten City, Excite, Mike Mania, what got you going?
And very simple. It's pretty much from order sixty six on.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, Anakin approaching the Jedi Temple is a great shot,
really cool, and everything that happens from that point forward
is awesome, truly great Star Wars content. And even back then,
when you realize Anakin slaughtered kids, you're like, holy fuck,
Like I can't believe they actually did that.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
For those of you tardy to the Mac and Goop party,
we rate everything on a forty hot Dog rating system.
After this rewatch, where I thought the movie was balls
to the wall, front to the back action, it wasn't.
The first twenty minutes was some good Star Wars and
then you have about forty five minutes of just white
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and black. These guys are good, these guys are evil,
and Anakin is so one way and then out of
nowhere he is the other way. I really need that
fill in that you told me about with the show.
Which show is it?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Clone Wars with Clone.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Wars to really see that like he's been questioning the
Jedi way, it's not just that he wasn't getting a
promotion that he then switches teams like yeah in that show.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
So they the movies do a good job showing him
questioning stuff, but it comes across more of like an
underlinking questioning something from his boss, not him questioning the
teachings of the Jedi, and the series they really help
put that over. He's questioning the teachings of the Jedi,
and he's growing really frustrated with the Jedi.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Okay, well, because what this comes across as is it's
Kobe and Shaq and they start to have a falling
out and then say he's Kobe and he's like, you
either trade him or you trade me.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, yeah, you're It just happens so quick in this movie.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
It's too quick, and there's there's not enough explaining of
like why he's doing this outside of the very simple
like oh, I can save your like come on, and yeah,
like they're being assholes to him, but you're gonna switch
everything around because a couple of guys are being assholes
to you, They're gonna die soon they're all old twenty
eight hot.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Dogs, Okay, all right, So contextually for the folks, I
would say there are five great Star Wars movies, all
three of the original trilogy. You have a New Hope,
Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, and then separate
from those three, I would say The Force Awakens in
Rogue one are great movies in different aspects, and then
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I think there's a drop off from those five to
where whatever tier you want to call it with this
the Rise of Skywalker and Solo, which are three entertaining movies,
but three also confusing movies, but I don't think they're bad.
Like Rise of Skywalker. I loved when it came out
because it shit on Ryan Johnson, but when you evaluate
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it in a vacuum, it's not It's not particularly great.
But like to me, those three are clearly above Phantom, Menace,
Last Jedi, and Attack of the Clones, and I think
I feel good with these three all around, Like thirty
thirty one Hot Dogs, like maybe twenty nine, thirty thirty one,
thirty two at its peak given the day, I'm not
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as low as you. I think it's like a perfect
see movie, like seventy five, thirty hot Dogs, maybe thirty one.
It's it's it's a It's a good movie. It could
have been much better.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Is it a good movie? Like on it it's a
good movie. Is it a good movie?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I think it is. I think it's a good movie
on its own. I think it could have been way better,
way better. And I also think we have a tendency
to overly criticize Star Wars as well because we love
it so much, so that I'm trying to take that
into account.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
But I also think that if this was if this
did not have the Star Wars label on it and
it was just a random sci fi movie, I don't
know how much love it would get.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
But I also have to give it a little bit
of credit in the way I did it. Rise of Skywalker.
It's coming off of.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
The bad movie. It's coming off the PA.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It wasn't you know, it had enough to work with.
So like, when you consider all those things, it is
it is a good movie. And I and I enjoy it,
and I and I'll get Shashank by the last hour
all the time.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, the last hour is great. Outside of the last
fifteen minutes. The last fifteen minutes. I guess we're in
spoilers now. The last fifteen minutes is redict you have Yoda.
First off, the Jedis are fucking quitters. Okay, you just
lost this battle, and Yoda's like inter echisos, I must go.
How about you fucking pull up your bootstraps and make
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a new plan.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well, he kicked because they don't know who's alive, so
he's basically got to retreat.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Well, yeah, so figure out, just go off to your
own planet and turn your brain to mush.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, but you you only know that because you've seen
the future part of the story. You don't know if
that's actually gonna happen or not.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
But that is what happened. This is the third movie.
But we've already seen episodes five and six.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
No, that's true, But he doesn't say I'm gonna like
go die on a swampy planet.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
That's kind of what he says into exile, I must go.
He should have with Obi Wan Kenobi not had this.
First off, their plan of splitting up the twins was
fucking stupid. They have put them in clear sight. They
have put them with a prominent political family, a one kid,
and then they gave the other kid to someone from
Anakin's home planet, where everyone on that planet should know
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the last name Skywalker because he's a famous guy.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
You would. So if I were gonna make this plan,
or if I was gonna keep the plan they had,
I would have swapped him. I would have put the
less important one, Leah, with the Skywalkers and the more
important one more hidden the way they did with Leah.
Although I guess you could say that the newer trilogy,
in some of the newer Star Wars media is trying
to make Lea as important as Luke. She's not, but
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that's what they're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Also, Padmey died of a broken heart.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
So dumb, so dumb, And that's why if that didn't happen,
I honestly might be two dogs higher. It bothers me
more than it did then, because then you like, you
don't care about padme because you know she's not gonna
work going forward, but then like she should matter because
she's so good in the first movie and a half.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I need to believe in my brain that Palpatine killed her.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I mean, he's obviously capable of a lot of things,
so I'm not saying that's not possible. But what we
get on the screen is fucking dumb, Like.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
What if she's asleep? And then he becomes Freddy Krueger.
Somehow Palpatine has returned. So the opening scroll I think
is one of their best, just because it starts with
the word war and you're like, I'm in for something here.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Ooh ooh, We're gone with the sand.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
We're gone with the sand. It's a nice, big bang, open,
lots of lightsabers, lots of fighting. You have a lightsaber
duel to start us off. It's a rematch of the
previous lightsaber duel that ended the second movie. And they escape.
It's a big escape.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah. And it shows you how much Anakin has grown
in between the two movies, because in the second movie,
Dooku's formidable. In this movie he's not at all.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Even without a hand, even with the midichlorians pouring out
of his hand, he still has enough to kill him.
She's pregnant, Padmes pregnant.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, And this leads to like the first kind of
stupid scene between the two, how she's like in the
shadows and he runs over kisses Hugser and he's like,
what you're pregnant. So then he turns into like, I
gotta do everything I can to defend the family. But like,
by the end of this movie, doesn't care about the kids.
He just cares about her, and that's weird too.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
He also chokes her.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah that's true, but she she never said she was.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Also, she finds out and knows that he killed many
of Youngling and she's like, I don't know she knows
she kills He doesn't say it, she says, he tells
her I killed young Ling.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Oh and yeah, yeah, yeah, when.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
We can get past this, I don't know if you should.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Well, I think she's trying to talk because I think
in that moment she realizes he's going to die or
obi Wan is going to die, and she's trying to
prevent that from happening, is how I read that.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
So you think that she's trying to lure him out
of this and then she'll leave him after possibly, Yes,
So I do like how busy Corussant looks like there's
always tons of stuff going on. I know, Easter egg wise,
the Millennium Falcon is there, the US NASA spaceship flies
by at one point out that that's pretty fun. Uh,
Palpatine the entire time, and I would be like, how
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old is Anakin in this movie?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I believe he's what in the first one and then seventeen.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
He's six in the first one, then with fourteen in
the second.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
He's like sixteen, Yeah, maybe fourteen or sixteen in the
second one, and she's four years older, five years old
or something like that, So I think she's supposed to
be four. I think they're eight and fourteen in the
first one and then sixteen and twenty two in the
second one.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Maybe I'm just making sure because this it's almost a
grooming situation.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
It is.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
It is, Yeah, okay, this is just because like, but
Anakin is above and I don't know how space age works.
Maybe younger is more because baby Yoda's over the.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Year have different laws there.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
It's a lot of it's a lot of very weird stuff.
But you know, uh, he treats him nice, he tells
him nice things. He compliments him a lot. When you
have the Jedi Council was constantly like Anakin, you suck.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, No, it's it's they do a good job in
this movie at least showing you like.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
No, because it's Chai. It's too black and white. It's
all too black and white.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I agree in general, but there they they got to
do it in the second act. All they have is
the second act to show you that he's flipping towards
the dark side, and so they're making it rather obvious
as to why.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
But it's just crazy that they have no trust for
Anakin at all, and they keep on like, hey, you
got to keep an eye on Anakin around that Palpatine.
How about you don't let him by his side. They
keep on putting it on Obi wan Kenobi. You guys
are in charge of everybody, Just put the put one
of the different Jedis with them.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I agree. And this is one of the things that
they don't really resolve well in the Clone Wars is
because that whole series is talking about how Anakin doesn't
really like to listen to anything, so he's like the
biggest loose cannon, but he's also like their most powerful
and they already kind of know that. So it's a
dangerous combination to put him underneath potentially who is who
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you suspect to be the Emperor.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
When he does make that turn, he's like, I am
at your liege, my master, Like this is this is
really bad. I don't like this dialogue at all.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, and and uh, we get the line when they're
sitting in that big bubble opera as you have so
poetically and this is what gets kind of paid off
in The Acolyte. But people didn't like that show. Palpatine says,
did you ever hear of the tragedy of darth Plagus
the Wise, who presumably is Palpatine's mentor he was the
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two when when Plagas was the.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
One and Palpatine killed him.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, and he never outright says it, but he implies it.
H this is what starts Anakin down that path for sure,
thinking about his vision of Padme and saving Padme, because
in this conversation he says, Plagas came up with the power,
developed this power to save people, and this is really
the seed that gets planned the Anakin really starts to cultivate.
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And also it's implied in this original trilogy as a whole,
because it gets picked up in Phantom Menace that Anakin
has created He's not created via sexually, but created by
the force that dark charean. Yeah, this whole medical Orean
thing and Plagis and Palpatine and we also get into
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that in the Aclyte too. I think people got to
appreciate the act like, we don't know if we.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Do, it's kind of boring, you know, it's not boring
chic rookies.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, I like whookies. Who doesn't like Yoda.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Sing Chewbacca thank you? It's all right, come on, we
don't need to have Chewbacca here.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
But I like that we have a little rocket and
group thing that Yoda can climb up on Chewbacca's like shoulder.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
You got a nice lizard chase. That's pretty cool where Oh,
we didn't even mention Grievous. Grievous is pretty cool in
this but from what I've what I've done a little
of my in my research, he's a lot cooler in
the animated stuff.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
He's awesome in the Clone Wars awesome. So in the
animated stuff they deal with Grievous a lot, Dooku a
little bit, and then other like bounty hunters and shit
like that. Grievous plays a big part in Clone Wars.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I also thought one of the funniest lines too, is
when Grievous is like I've been trained in lightsabers by
count Dooku and then he does something that no human
being can do where he starts rotating like fucking Pinwi.
I know he has farms and he's like, I was
trained by this man. He's like, but check this out,
no one trained you to do that.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
It's true he.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Does have foe arms on. It's pretty cool. You also
get the line of so uncivilized, but also prior to that,
hello there.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
That's great line. One of the best line deliverers in
All the.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Stars got a cup of two. Three nice deaths in
this movie too grievous Dooku like pretty visually graphic depths.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, they really because they kind of hold back in
the first two movies, or I guess after after we
lose Nissan's the hell's this character? After we lose Qui Gone,
we don't get many deaths, so they finally unleash him
here in this movie.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
The Palpatine lightsaber battle is fucking hilarious. He so bad
does this cool spin move with a scream that so
it's Mace in what four lights four and.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Three other Jedi, one of them being Plokun who's hastag
Justice for Plokun, and then two other ones who don't
even swing at him. They just get like got assures.
The spinny, spinny Palpatine lance so dumb.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I wish that Samuel L. Jackson was like, why weren't
you ready? He telegraphed his move. He screamed, does the
Sith scream freeze people? Is that what it does?
Speaker 2 (42:29):
No? No, that was just a ridiculous campy thing.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
I also, I've seen that Palpatine when it came to
mace Windu, he was just playing with his food. He
could have killed mace Windhu almost immediately, but he needed
Anakin to see this.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
That's one hundred percent true. Like I think for sure
Palpatine is playing possum there and hopes that Anakin makes
the switch he does, but I think he is fully
capable of killing mace Windhu there fully.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
But also like, if I'm sidious, I'm not trying to
look like a shriveled up ball sack. I would have
taken it up to that point. So you still look
pretty cool. Now you're just like a little bit like
a fucking pug.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah. I but and this is where I call in
the question some things too, because Anakin says he must
live talking about Palpatine the council will deal with him.
Yet he was so eager to chop Douku's head off
like that.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Oh no, so he was saying that because he wanted
him alive in jail, just long enough to learn how
to keep people alive.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
No, I get that's I get, that's true. I guess,
And you know what bothers shit out of me. If
I'm gonna be a lord, let me pick my fucking name.
Don't anoint me Lord Vader. Let me pick my goddamn name.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Or like flip a coin, have a couple of choices.
Have people go on Twitter and vote who should Anakin be. Also,
we got past the last so Obi Wan and Anakin
split at the fifty minute mark. That's the last time
those characters ever see each other because the next time
they meet up, he's Darth Vader.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
It's Vader.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, what the okay? So after that ridiculous scene of
Palpatine dealing with Mace Windu the other I I'm your
servant master, we get Order sixty six. The thing is
kicked into a whole new level and the movie's actually
pretty dope.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Now, Yeah, I actually I think my favorite line in
this movie is when Obi Wan goes to tell Padme
that Anakin's flipped, and she's like in disbelief, and he
knows he's like smell if he smells it. But he
realizes she's pregnant, and he says, Anakin is the father,
isn't he? I'm so sorry? Like the way he delivers
it is a great line, and he hops off, so
(44:31):
she thinks, but he actually stows away on her ship
to go confront Anakin because he knows first place she's
gonna go is to Anakin.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Right, And so when she gets to most of far
that's how that's the pronunciation correct, Kustafar Mustafar. And she's
out there and she's like, oh, so this is your
new office. You work in Hell. Now at that point
I'd say, oh, you know, because the comparisons of this
is this is Lucifer. It's you know, he's a fallen
angel and now he runs Hell. At that point, I'd say, uh, oh,
(45:01):
I feel like he's made some moves.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
And she's actually doing some acting in that scene up
until then I'll ask her to do anything. But she's
great in that scene, very very emotional.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
The Yoda verse city is like I said, Yoda acting
like he knew all along. Get out of my face
with that. That's a pretty I think that might be
the best Yoda battle that we've seen out of all
these movies.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I agree, But when we first see him flip around
in the second movie, I hated it.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
I hated it so much it's stunk. I'll be one
verus Anakin's fucking great. That might be. While I like
the heavy feel of the newer lightsaber battles, like like
they feel like they're heavy swords, Like this is the
best choreographed stuff though.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, and the fight is picking up on all the
themes of their history too, and it's a really good
job retelling their history during this lightsaber fight, and I
really like that. By the end, when when Obi Wan
gets to Moose to fight Are, I think a little
bit of him still has faith that Anakin's in there,
(46:04):
and that's why he lets Padme have a conversation. But
once he sees how Anakin treats Padme, he knows Anakin's dead.
And so at the end of this lightsaber battle, he's
not remorseful, he's not upset. He's like disappointed that it
worked out the way it did, you know, And I
really like. I think the best scene of the movie
(46:27):
is obi Wan screaming at him like you were the
chosen one. Like it's a great, great scene.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
I also love the idea of so yes obi Wan
had the high ground. We know that in The Phantom
Menace he did not have the high ground, yet he
still beat Darth Maul. But I would assume that Anakin
knew of that story and he's like, you think you're
better than me, that you could defeat a sith Lord
while he had the high ground. I'm gonna fucking show you.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Yeah, it's it's an interesting thing, but I do think
it's as easily explained as Anakin thinks he's better than everyone,
can do anything, can do anything, better than everyone.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I think it's more that he thought he was better
than obi Wan, that obi Wan did it. I'm gonna
do it too, I'm better than you.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
And he's so fueled by hate that he's not thinking
clearly as well.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Also, the burning of Anakin's body is quite gruesome.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
It is quite quite cruesome.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
As like as the smoke fills his eyes. You but
I'm not even sure if he does hate him.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I don't know, as we've seen their future encounters. He
still does not like Kobe Wan.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
If you're not with me, then you're against me. On
my sets down at absolute final hour of this movie,
does crank you know what? Twenty nine hot dogs?
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Man, there you go creeping up nice nice? See average there.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
It's real nice. We already talked about pretty much anything
after this isn't great, although building the Frankenstein monster of
Darth Vader where you hear the heartbeat until the mask
goes on his face is pretty cool. They ruined it
with and now that's all well anyone talks about from that.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
I don't think they ruined it with the notes the no.
They chose the specific no. But I like the idea.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
You know, he should have said Padme's dead. No, Padme's dead.
God nuts damn nab it foiled again?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
At what point, yeah, in vaderdom Vader, does he realize
obviously he throws Palpatine over the edge for Luke. Does
he realize that Palpatine's the reason Padme died?
Speaker 1 (48:33):
I don't know enough about the situation to comment, I'll
tell you that much. At what point do you think
he said to himself, I've made a huge mistake. It
might be at that point. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
It's a good question because I mean, think about Rogue one, right,
eighteen years later, you know he's still full on with Palpatine,
so he's still like a full blown servant of Palpatines.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Let's get into Maxack and mac Sak could be anything
that could be a boat and marketing wise for this movie,
it was not quite the impact that The Phantom Menace had,
but it was more than Clones. So the first teaser
for this movie dropped on November fourth, I'm sorry, November
(49:20):
of two thousand and four. The first trailer was in
March of five. There was tons of Darth Vader merch.
It was the first time that Darth Vader was in
a movie since nineteen eighty three, so they went hog
wild on that. Has Bro had a field day. There
were some cool sets where Anakin goes in, you flip
(49:40):
the fire and then Darth Vader's in there.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
I also remember, as so this came out what when
we were sixteen, and the prime movie came out when
we were thirteen. I remember not loving Attack of the
Clones but still being okay because it was like Star
Wars action. And then I remember in the year since
because we have online access, we start picking up sort
of a hive mind thing that a lot of people
didn't like that movie, but I remember people justifying, like,
(50:06):
it's okay because we're getting Darth Vader guaranteed in the
next one. So the like interest for it went down
and then like back up as the movie was approached. Well.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
It was also billed as the final movie of this
Star Wars saga. You need to see this to get
this final chapter. M Burger King had tie in collectible
toys with the Happy meals and also hologram watches which
were two bucks with the purchase of a value meal.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Whoa.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
PS two and Xbox had games that spoiled the movie.
They actually came out a week before the movie was released.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
The PS two game for this movie is Fucking Awesome,
Great fucking game.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Nintendo DS also had a side scrolling version of the game.
Lego Star Wars Game covered the prequels with one of
their games, Brick by Brick. I think it was called
something like that. Tons of Lego sets that also came
out for this. Kellogg's had a light up lightsaber spoon.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
I remember these.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
It came in the boxes. Pringles had a tie in
where the top prize if you found a lightsaber sticker
in your pringles can was lightsaber training with Lucasfilm stunt team.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
That seems fake. I don't remember any kid ever, I
don't do that.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
But that seems like a really cool fucking top prize right.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, it's a fucking Willie Waka situation there.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Also, I highly recommend this if you haven't seen it.
I'm sure everyone has watched the behind the scenes of
Hating Christensen and Ewan McGregor doing their lightsaber battles because
they do their stunts for the most part, it's very cool.
Seven to eleven also had Darth Vader cups with special
flavored mountain dew called dark Do.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
I'll tell you, anytime dude does a specialty flavor, it slaps,
it always hits.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
And then Eminem's had a tie in and a commercial
where Darth Vader met the red and yellow Eminem's and
he choked the red eminem.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
You would think you would choke the yllow one since
red would be.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Hear me out flipping around. Maybe No, I didn't do
enough research.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
And like you want to, you want to choke the
yellow one. Crack it open and eat that peanut.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
You know I wouldn't choke it though, I would just
eat it full. Why would you choke it and pull
the peanut out? You want the full Eminem?
Speaker 2 (52:10):
I like peanut Eminem's. I love frozen peanut and minem
the best.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
What is your favorite frozen candy? I think it's peanut
and M and M's hair me out Charleston Chew.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
I do let but strawberry frozen Charleston chew.
Speaker 1 (52:26):
Any frozen Charleston Chew. That's where it's at.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
I'm picking up what you're putting down there.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Are we gonna do a frozen candy tier something that's
very specific. We've already done candy tears, but now it's
frozen time.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
We're gonna make it very confusing. In the same tiering system,
we're gonna tear breads and frozen candies.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah, breads and frozen candies. That's the title of the episode,
Breads and Frozen Candies. Mac. Where can the people find us?
Speaker 2 (52:51):
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and Goo podcast every other platform where you're mac, ampersand Gogo.
It's max Shift seven Goo that includes Facebook that you're
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over at Watertown Sports Where. That's Watertown Sports Where thirty
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experts cream printing and embroidery.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Tepublic dot com. Check us out. At the end of
the week, maybe we'll have thunderbolts. If we don't, that'll
be on Monday or Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
I am too rowdy. T's got to optimistic plus ninety
ninety plus right now?
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Oh is it really? I didn't even see that.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
So we'll see what happens. But yeah, we'll have thunderbolts
soon and then we'll get back into like a rotation
and then after after thunderbolts, breads and frozen candies.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
If I look the Attack of the Clones and those.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
I think I want some time off. I have no
interest in watching Attack of the Clones Tuesdays or goosdays.
I abuse kangaroos. Tam Burton Bye. Please flip the cassette
over to side B to continue the adventure. Now it's
(54:07):
not for girls jumping on trampopallines.
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