December 30, 2025 • 57 mins
We discuss volume 2 for the fifth season of Stranger Things!
Did you like the new 3 episodes? How will the show end? Are we dumb?
It’s November 1987 and the gang is trying to hunt down and kill Vecna after the Upside Down breaches Hawkins, leading to military lockdown and intensifying searches for Eleven. Meanwhile, Holly Wheeler has become a target, Henry Creel’s origins are revealed, and Will's growing connection to the Upside Down becomes crucial.
Volume 2: Basically we figure out what the Upside Down truly is and what Vecna’s plan is.
The crew conquer a small but important hurdle in their last stand against Vecna… they make it through the heavily guarded MAC-Z gate with the whole party intact. Eleven feels uneasy about the sacrifice that her sister, Kali, has asked her to make. Meanwhile, at the Creel House in Camazotz, Vecna has gathered his kidnapped children to cast a powerful spell that will set his ominous plan in motion.
Stars:
Winona Ryder as Joyce Byers
David Harbour as Jim Hopper
Finn Wolfhard as Mike Wheeler
Millie Bobby Brown as Eleven/Jane Hopper
Gaten Matarazzo as Dustin Henderson
Caleb McLaughlin as Lucas Sinclair
Natalia Dyer as Nancy Wheeler
Charlie Heaton as Jonathan Byers
Joe Keery as Steve Harrington
Noah Schnapp as Will Byers
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mac.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
We are in the dead zone known as the week
between Christmas and New Years, where nothing matters, nothing's real.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Yeah, we're in dimension X, We're in the Abyss Crown.
Nothing that happens here matters. It's not a real place,
it's not a real time. It also feels like Christmas
was two weeks ago now, even though it was like
fucking three days ago.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
If not just this morning.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
No, no, I'm saying it feels later, long time ago,
long time once. Once Christmas is over and you get
to the twenty sixth, there's like a an exhale and
you're like, all right, glad the holidays over, enjoyed them.
We're on to New Year's which is a fake holiday too,
but we're on. We're onto a new set of times here,
a new year, a fresh start for everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
To be fair, though, I just finished a Muppet Christmas
Carol last night. It's took us three nights to get
to but my son kept falling asleep. But to be fair,
we kept on starting at around eight o'clock, so that's
my fault.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yes, yes, I.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Will say this before get into the question. I'm going
to ask you once again, this is our yearly praise
of saw Michael Kaine, where dear Lord, he is acting
off of puppets and he does not give a shit.
He is just wow, so good.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
They tore the force.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
One might say, I would like if I was George Lucas,
I would have shown that to Hayden Christiansen and been like,
it's possible, It's possible.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Do this Mac.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Now Christmas is over. I think we've received all of
our gifts. We given all of our gifts.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Anything cool, um, Not really, I'd say something that was
kind of cool, though. Is my mom ten years into
my Funko pop addiction and kind of four years past
I'm cleaning sober now from fucos. She did get me
a personalized Fucko Pop which is now my third personalized version.
(01:53):
Had you had a pair commissions of Mack and Goo.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Before Funko did it? Yes? I actually paid some into
customs some Funkos for us.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
And then I was I was in a wedding seven
or eight years ago where the grooms gift to all
the to like the whole groomsman was a personalized Funko
of each one, not unlike what you did for the
Mac and Gooo one. Now the Funko actually does it.
It's a little more official, a little bit higher quality.
I'd say, uh, she absolutely nailed it. Mustache, bald head
(02:23):
vest in a long.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Sleeve, basic bitch outfit. She really get some pumpy coffee.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
The funk If you want to see it, I did
tweet it out, so it's on my Twitter page. Goo. Yes,
if anyone's watching on the YouTube right now, you'll see
that Goo. It looks like a NASCAR driver. Coo, what
did you get for Christmas?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That was This is the only gift that I received
on Christmas, and I will say it is perfect. My
in laws know me better than anybody. They always seem
to know just what to get me that I'm gonna
wear throughout the year. This is a doctor I wouldn't
call it a windbreaker. It's a bit uh thicker than that.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
It's like a starter jack.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
It's very close to a starter jacket. I wouldn't wear
this in the coldest of winter days. But on a nice,
you know, forty degree brisk weather day like today, you
go outside and you support your favorite soda brands.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
After all, we do know you is the DP King were.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, I'm the DDP King. DDP they know this. Their
house is stocked with DDP.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Sure, sure, sure.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I think I am going to buy a hat to
go with it that does say diet doctor Pepper. Just
let everyone know that. That's where I do push to.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
But now you're contrasting, you know, styles and flavors.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
It's the same color scheme. It's just flipped.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You're right, So I think you go white hat?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, white hat?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
The what would you call that? Like a burgundy? What
color is doctor Peppers?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I would say burgundy color? Yeah, yeah, I did have
fun on Christmas Day. I pointed out my sleeve. I'm like,
you know what this twenty three stands for? And everyone's like,
I don't, oh like flavors.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, not Michael Jordan. He did not start Doctor Pepper.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
If anything, I think Jordans said this during all of
his press conferences. He opened and closed with and he said,
twenty three Doctor Pepper.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well they they used to be twenty two flavors, but
they the owner of Doctor Pepper loved Michael Jordan so
much they added a twenty third flavor.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Can you tell me what year was because it says
here in my jacket established in eighteen eighty five.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yes, yeah, originally by the Doctor Pepper.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And originally it was medicine right sure, and now it's
just my medace.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
It was just Dr Pepper and Coca Cola cocaine back
in the day, you.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Know, delicious, delicious Doctor Pepper and Robotussin. Yes. And then
on the gift giving side of it, Oh my goodness,
Christmas morning is the best. My son just great reactions
to all of his gifts. Love that he gave a
great Oh to a gift I didn't even think he'd liked,
but he did.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Cool. Yeah that I love that. Now not quite the same.
And I only got to watch them open a few
per But my niece and nephews eight, six and four
in the same age range is rafi, especially the older two.
My six year old nephew. It was like he didn't
even register any of the gifts. He just was like
foaming at the mouth to open, just to open. That's
(05:13):
all he wanted to do. The excitement, the mystery behind
what it might be. He just wanted to explore that.
And as soon as that one's open, onto the next one.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah. So, my son, he basically got three Christmas Mornings.
We got to try and figure out a way to
spread these out because he got my house and then
he's the only grandchild on my side. He's the only
grandchild on my wife's side, so he gets just given
so many gifts. He opens it, he's like, cool, let's
move on. I want to open this next one. Yeah,
(05:41):
So like it was actually really funny. His best reaction
was so like I said, in another one, I started
buying him Pokemon cards and we got him the book
to put the cards in, and then also I got
him the hard pieces of plastic. If he gets a
good card and he opened that, he's like, this gift stinks,
And I'm like that in these yeah, I'm like I
(06:01):
should have given that to you. On the side as like, hey,
this is what you do right, It didn't need to
be a gift. You also don't need to react like that.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You also like, I'm sure you're ordering the gifts under
the tree so that they're open to a certain order.
But me, at least as a gift picker, when I
went to go open as a kid, I don't have
any rhyme or reason I'm picking from here and.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
No, but you always want to do like and it's
when we were at kids like you would get an
N sixty four game and you're like, wait a second,
I don't have an N sixty four.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And then you're like, my friend's house, go and check
the living room.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Stupid.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Uh, now that you bring that up as a thirty
six year old adult, my mom still places gifts under
the tree for me and my two siblings on that side.
So she watched us open gifts Christmas morning, as she's
been doing for thirty six years now, and she got
all three of us her her like fun not even
gag gifts. She thought it would be cute. She like
(06:56):
paid someone on Etsy to make caricatures, as actually paid witches, me,
my sister, and my brother, but three separate photos. So
mine was me and my girlfriend and go so I'm
also in my brother's one from a photo we took
out a concert and one of them I looked like
doctor Phil. The other one I look like I own
a restaurant in the North End. Not I don't have
(07:18):
a very flattering face for caricatures, I'll say that, but
she was. So she was like, they're terrible in a
way that caricatures should be, and she thought they would
be super cute. So when she got them. She said
that she like considered not giving them to us because
they were so bad, but then she laughed for like
forty minutes straight them. She's like, I gotta give them
to them.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It was three separate photos, but for some reason we
were all rollerblading. Oh my wife's gift.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
What'd you get her?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I got her a closet to put all of her stuff,
and she like when I gave it to her, she
was like, oh my goodness, thank you. But I don't
think she fully understood.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
What it was. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, and it took me, like I build, it took
me a long time. I hope it doesn't fall apart.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I got her a closet, I did.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I bought her well, you know, she can put all
overr stuff. She's very very nice stuff. And we have
gross closets at my fair.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
You had a closet we have like an insert into
the closet.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
You could insert it. We just have it as like
its own stands.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
We're standing.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, we're gonna it's a free standing closet we're gonna have.
I'll eventually get her some like side pieces that go
on there too.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Your home, the house that you live in is an
older one, and I think it's much like mine. I
don't know when the structure was built, but my closet
in my bedroom is like this deep. You can like
barely fit at anything.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's that's a little musky.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Sure, sure, yeahs old homes are. My girlfriend and I
are first Christmas together. We she had the idea to
not do gifts. We're gonna go in on a little
weekend getaway sort of thing, so we did that split that.
I of course, still I had to. It's the first Christmas.
I'm obviously gonna get her something. So she was a
(09:00):
little annoyed that I actually did get her a gift.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I don't wanna say it, like she thought it'd be
really funny to go to Etsy and get these characters.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Do so now I just have caricatures of me plastered
all over the home.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
One good three, Yeah, just three. King of Queen Mill Street.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Entertainment. I'm go.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And we're back for.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
More of Goose. New thing is out for changes now,
that's all.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I just it's constant, like we need little breaks between
our little segments so I'm able to switch what I'm
wearing and really get into whatever character I'm in right now.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I'm Will. Uh. Speaking of Will, I almost made a
closet joke when you were talking about your wife's gift.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Good. Today we are discussing Stranger Things five, Season five
Volume Deah Volume two, the middle part of a three
volume release for season five, and I'll tell you this, Ku,
it felt like a middle part of a three part release.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
It felt like there was a can on the road,
and if they really wanted to kick it to the
end of the road, they could have kicked it really hard. Instead,
they're just slowly dribbling in the can down the road.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Here, Can I take my wig off?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Now? Can? Okay? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I'm going to take the wig off. I think we're
done with the wig until next week when we do
the finale. But I will say that it seems like
they decided that these three episodes we are going to
resolve all conflict between characters.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
A little bit of that, it was. It was more.
I took it more as we really need to explain
the bad guys motivations and everything about the upside down
and all this shit, because we're so fucking confused.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yes, But to be fair, as we keep going, I
keep saying to myself, all right, So I didn't.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Have that feeling with Volume one, in part because Volume
one ends spectacularly on a big high note.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I love big finishes, and I don't want to say
what you're into, but it's only finishes.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
This volume again, the middle part of a three part release,
had no high high really, it just exists. Now. The
Internet is the king of overreacting, right, So what I
think I watched I wouldn't consider bad. Was it good?
I'm not sure, but I don't think it was bad.
(11:49):
It's mostly necessary, however, go we got three hours, basically
three and a half hours of content in this middle part.
I would say you could have accomplished what they did
three and a half in about one and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I would also argue that I think what is missing
from this show at this point, and obviously they are
just they're going for their grand finale. I get it,
there's only two more hours left and they've built this up.
But I feel like what it's missing, and it's really
in the first two seasons, and maybe they can't get
(12:23):
this back anyways, but there was a certain fun factor
to what they had with the childlike wonderment of trying
to like tiptoe their way through something that wasn't super complicated.
Now they're at a point where everything is so complicated,
where it's almost all explaining stuff and there's no fun
(12:47):
factor in it for me, Or they're trying to resolve
all the conflicts that they've built over the last couple
of seasons, or at the start of this season, or
the kids all are no longer kids.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Here's uh what I'm thinking about as you're talking about that,
what your your criticism is fair. However, what you're saying
you love about this show, you flip it and reverse
it when it comes to Star Wars and you hate
that about Star Wars. Why you hate the kids stuff?
You hate the fun, gimmicky stuff that makes that's because
(13:21):
this show loved about this.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
This show was built on the back of kids and
trying to use eighties pop culture stuff to explain what
is happening now. It now it's just everyone has drama
and everyone is and I get it, you've been through
some shit. I get it, But there's there's a twinkle missing.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Also, this is what I mean. Season four had a
little bit more fun to it, but Season four was
largely dramatic. I know, I know, I'm trending this way anyways.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And we talked about this after season one was as
successful as it was. They should have locked these children
away for three years and made three more seasons and said, okay,
we're good.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Some of it is that where these kids are supposed
to be what or fourteen fifteen they look twenty twenty one,
twenty two, twenty five age.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
The characters with the kids.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, they you could do that. Apparently there was a
two year gap in between season four and five. Stranger Things.
Season five, Volume two released on Christmas. I didn't get
a chance to watch it until a day or two ago.
Volume one released on the day before Thanksgiving. I believe
that was episodes one through four. These this was episodes five, six,
(14:35):
and seven. We are getting the finale on New Year's
Eve at five pm, which you can also watch on
the big screen if you would like, And once again go.
This series debuted way back on July fifteenth, twenty sixteen,
nine and a half years ago. Uh. The fourth season
dropped in May of twenty twenty two, so again, a
lot of time has passed, a lot of things have changed,
(14:57):
most notably the look of the actors.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
And FA look at how we used it, and granted
there is no video of the old podcast, but like
we used to look a lot younger too, and now
we are we're old oven Mitz.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I'd argue I probably look better than I did ten
years ago.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Uh Hoba On the message board comment down below, who
aged better? Mac or Goo.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Most notably good? Not even the kids for me, but
this volume for me really underscored how much Maya Hawk
looks way older than when she was introduced in season three.
In season three, she kind of has this bubbably teenage
look to her. Now she looks like she's forty years
old and she's been through.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah. I was talking to a friend of the show,
Wesley Burho, and he was pointing out to me how
like Steve and Nancy look younger than the main four kids.
Now you're not wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Jonathan still looks like shit, but that's right.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
But we talk about this, like I look like shit
in high school, but like then when people saw me
seven eight years later, like oh you look okay, I'm like, well,
compared to high.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
School, it's it's all relative. Uh. Stranger Things, Season five,
Volume two is a tv M, a drama horror, mystery, mystery, thriller,
and sci fi. You also have sub genres here coming
of age, dark fantasy, fantasy, epic, monster, horror, psychological drama,
sci fi, epic, supernatural, fantasy, supernatural, horror, teen r And
(16:18):
what I think this volume specifically really harps on is
this psychological aspect of all of the characters. They're wanting
to be loved, dealing with loved, dealing with rejection, dealing
with psychological trauma and PTSD. That's really what we spent
our time.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
You think the way to defeat is going to be love.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
They're playing, they're playing with this love themes and they're
pairing off these characters, you know, Dustin, Steve, Nancy and Jonathan,
you know Mike and eleven and then eleven and eight. Yeah,
it's they're there. I just so if they go that route,
what's the is it? Who? Who's who is Henry's bugaboo? Well?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I can tell you this is that care Bears came
out in the eighties and that was all about caring,
sharing and fuzzy little bears that had symbols on their tummies.
Do you think that plays into this?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I think there is a chance and I'm not saying
it's a good chance, but I do think there's a
chance in the stupid fucking play that they put out
that is Cannon Shadows of whatever, the first shadow, Strange Things,
first Shadow. There's a lot of interest in there for
Henry and I am curious if that plays a part
(17:35):
in the finale here, and if it does, I'm not
gonna like it.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Full spoiler here, there's a couple of one more non spoiler.
When did Vecna become Groot?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I don't know, but I like that. That's that's that's.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
What he's just doing Groot stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Now his powers are growing. His powers are growing. Uh.
This this runtime of three episodes was two hundred and
nine minutes, three hours and twenty nine minutes, sixty eight
seventy five and sixty six minutes. We're up to goo
on the season through seven episodes, eight hours and twelve
minutes of content, with one hundred and twenty one minutes
left two hours a one minute. The season in total
(18:13):
is going to be over ten hours on roddy Teazgoo.
When we reviewed volume one, it had eighty three percent
from the audience score. Season five. Now that volume two
has finished, Season five, is at fifty six percent, so
it is free falling. The audience is saying, we don't
like this.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Is it that or is it people that don't like that?
It's confirmed that one of the characters, and that's one
of the main storylines.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, so Will coming out as gay, which is not
a spoiler because the audience knew that. The characters in
the show didn't do that, but the audience.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I feel like the audience figured it out first and
the writers are like, oh, we could put this in
the show.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
The audience was on this since season two, and so
the culmination, this big moment at the end of this
volume is Will's coming out, you know, his beat, his talk,
and that's huge for the characters. However, go as an audience,
we've been hyper aware of this for at least three
or four seasons, so it just falls so flat science.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I feel that this is slightly spoilery, but whatever, we're
already talking about it. We're gonna sprinkle this in. We
don't mean to do it. But if you're watching this volume.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, if you're listening to us right now, you watched
both thoughts, right.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I thought that the coming out and maybe I'm wrong.
I don't know, but like I felt like it should
have been way more intimate than him talking to like
twenty five people. I thought it should have been mother, brother,
core group of friends that he cared the most about.
Maybe Robin is there as like support, but for some reason,
because he's telling like the community that they have built
(19:46):
on this show that first off, the government should be
easily tracking them now because there's so many of them.
But I was like, he's like, this feels like it's
too many people, and he truly only has connections with
like six or seven of them. That should have been
the great that he was talking to, and I feel
like that, I don't know. I felt like it was
kind of lost on me because he was talking to
so many people. Because the stuff with Jonathan in that
(20:09):
scene I thought was compelling and I thought that was
a really nice moment, but I was just like, there
was too many people there.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I can't believe you, as a straight white Cismele would
dictate how a game man, I'm.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Not trying to. I just like, like the scene, well
I'm trying, I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I'm just fucking with you. I think that the Duffers
really really thought this was going to land with the audience. However,
just because they never confirmed it on screen yet until
this moment didn't mean we all didn't already know. So
what's supposed to be this big emotional moment to gass
(20:52):
up the gang to get ready for the finale just
falls flat falls, simply false.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's not a joking moment. But where's this archy comment
from Erica, Like, wouldn't she at least have leaned over
to Mari and been like, yeah, we knew something like that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You know, if you're talking time and place, it's the
middle of the eighties. People weren't as receptive. Maybe Hopper
would have said something, you know, just I don't know,
don't like, let's get back to that. Let's get back
that because I there's connections to it that I think
they're really like characters aren't doing what they maybe should
be doing. So again, this was created by Matt and
(21:28):
Ross Stuffer, who's been doing a massive press tour now
leading up to the finale. Initially it was like all
the actors and always Now it's been the Duffers to
refresh the memory of Folks. Volume one opens in November
of eighty seven. You know, we got Vecna with the
upside down. Now it's becoming one with Hawkins. Essentially, the
military is involved and what's her face, Linda, Linda, Linda, Linda, listen, Linda, Linda.
(21:53):
Linda Hamilton is here doing the worst possible she could.
Holly Wheeler is heavily involved now, and so Volume one
focuses on this fractured group trying to reunite or unite
in the first place, and defeat Vecna. Essentially, while that's
going on, Vecna is kidnapping children. Will has this great
(22:17):
moment at the end of volume one where he really
taps into everything he was capable of doing, in part
because Robin sort of like gave him motivation. That's fine.
The last twenty minutes though, was a great scene. I
really enjoyed it. And so you come off the high
of Vecna grooting through someone's face and Will killing some
(22:38):
Demagorgans into this little bit of a middle part where like,
all right, now we have to resolve, to your point,
a lot of this strife and turmoil between character groups
and character couples that have been kind of drifting apart
since you know, the end of season three, and so
mostly what volume two is that and through the lens
(23:01):
of these fractured relationships, we learn about what the upside
down really is. We learn about Vecna's true motivations. So
it's it's like necessary from a storytelling standpoint, it's necessary.
But because they chose to do this release schedule the
way they did, you know, a month in between volume
one and two, and give us this lull leading into
(23:25):
a lull in the story, it's just so disappointing. It's
so disappointing, and we're in se I'm not saying this
is Game of Thrones level, but some people are. Some
people are saying they're thrones in it, and it's hard
to argue against that that they're not crash landing the
plane here.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
What I liked about the first couple of seasons is that, like,
while this spooky stuff is going on, they're still going
about their childhood lives and like it's still at the
top of mind, but they're still trying to navigate the
school day or something like that. Like there's still something
about it where it isn't hyper focus.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
But we can't get back to that. I know, Bockets
is fractured, you know, I know you can't Once again,
this show stars, why not a Writer's Joyce Byers, David
Harber's Jim Hopper, Vin Finn Wolfhardt is Mike Wheeler, Millie
Bobby Brown is Eleven Kayton Modarazzo is Dustin Sinclair, Caleb
McLoughlin Lucas Sinclair, Dustin Henderson, Sorry, Natalia Dyers, Nancy Wheeler,
(24:21):
Charlie Heaton and Jonathan Byers, Joe Curious, Steve Harrington, Noah
Snap as Well Buyers, kar Brono as Karen Wheeler, Sadie
Sink is Max Mayfield, Pria Ferguson as Ericas Sinclair, Joe
Crest as Ted Wheeler, Maya Hawk is Robin Buckley. Brett
Gellman is Murray Bauman, who is doing a lot when
he's on screen, he is doing a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Well, I'm gonna say they're all doing a lot, and
what they're doing a lot of is finishing each other's sandwiches.
It's as if they have so many characters and not
enough lines to go around that they're just sharing lines
and they're just like someone starts a sentence, someone finishes it,
someone then starts another one, someone finishes that.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
People.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
The conversations on this show are so weird and they
all know when, exactly when to stop in the middle
of their sentence for someone else to then pick it up.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, that's you're not wrong about that A good what
I will underline underscore in this set of episodes, I
felt like Jamie Campbell Bauer as Henry Creole specifically was
very good and we're really he's he's doing a good job.
We get back to Randy Havens as mister Clark in
this edition of episodes. And of course now the big
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one of the big moments at the end of volume
one was that LENEA. Berthelson, who plays Calli aka eight,
is back in the fold.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I'm not saying anyone is doing a bad job. This
is all me issues sure, sure, it's all me, nothing
to do with anyone else. It's all goo.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
And once again newcomers for this season Nel Fisher's Holly Wheeler,
who admittedly has been pretty good.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Also, I saw that she has had the most run
time on the show.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Makes sense, that makes sense, I.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Think introduced in the Backdoor pilot.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I don't think that's good. I think they're gonna go
back to like the fifties.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
You think they're going back to the fifties. I think
they're gonna jump to the nineties with Holly and with Derek.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I don't think that's gonna be the case.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well, how much money you want to slap on that?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
The afore mentioned Linda Hamilton as Doctor K gu she
lost her ability to act. I guess she's fucking terrible.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
You know what I always say, Every kiss begins with Kay.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Her character's bad, the acting's bad. Alex Bros. Lieutenant Robert Akers,
he's like first in command under Doctor K. And then
Jake Connley as Derek Turnbow is still great. So to
their credit. The two new introductions and newcomers who have
had the most screen time, Holly and Derek, they've been great.
So I do I do like that?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Suck a fat one.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
And gow once again, we'd be remiss if we didn't
pour one ouse.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You know, you keep mentioning these people, and because you
keep doing this and I think we might get it
and I'm not happy about it. Are we gonna go
back in time? And are all of these people gonna
be around at the end of the show because it
turns out what we did and this.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Is an end game.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
No, it's an eighty staple to turn back time Mike
Share and we end up with all of our fallen
heroes being alive.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yep, those fallen heroes. Doctor Montgomery's Billy Hargrove. Matthew Modane,
Well he's a bad guy as doctor Martin Brenner. What
if all the bad guys come back? Paul Riser is
Doctor Samo and Sean Aston as Bob Newby, and Joseph
Quinn is Eddie.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
You keep forgetting to say Barb, and it would be
funny if everyone.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Doc was barely in the show.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
It would be funny if everyone came back to life
except for Barb, and someone's like, oh what about Barber?
And then Nancy goes she never met.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Once again. If you are confused as to why there's
some missing plot points or see some stuff, there is
a stage played called Stranger Things, the first shadow that
is Cannon to this show, and it predominantly acts as
Vecna's origin story. New Rock Stars does now have a
breakdown on their YouTube channel, twenty three minute breakdown recapping
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and summarizing everything you need to know from that. So
if you want that, go there. Let's get to the spoilers. Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers,
So Gou we talked about Will coming out as gay
is this big moment at the end of this volume,
towards the end of this volume, and apparently the way
they're phrasing it and setting it up the way Will is,
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Will's been held back in the in Airgo, the whole
crew has been held back because Vecna was threatening that
he would tell everyone that.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Reveal Will's secret, and Will's fear of everyone finding out
and then him being a ding Vecna.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Was praying on Will not coming out essentially.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Right, which in the eighties it was a different time
and there was a different stigma to you know, how
people would react to that news. So that that does
play into it. And we also talk about in this
how love could be, you know, a winning factor against Vecna,
and we talk about people coupling up when it comes
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to love. It could also have to do with Will's
new self love and understanding that people have accepted him
for who he is and now he's able to love
himself after years of hating himself.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And so maybe what you're saying is happening to Will there,
that's what undoes Vecna. Henry comes through and Henry learns
to love himself after every everything bad he's done. Maybe
I don't know. I for them to spend all that
time on Will and Will's self awakening, I wouldn't rule
out that that's what happens with Henry and Vecna.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Also, you have pointed out and this is an internet
theory of eleven plus eight plus one. I think that
is what it is. And Will is number one. He
was Vecna's firm, so he is number one, and then
you have eleven eight they're gonna come together. I'm not
sure if eleven follows through on the sacrifice though.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yep. So that's another thing.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Uh, you think we're gonna get dark Knight rises where
she pretends to sacrifice herself and then Michael Caine is
having a cappuccino when he sees her in the corner
with Finn Wolfard and they cheer.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
So Calli is telling eleven the only way they go
in Guy and this thing Cally not only to defeat
Vecna in destroy the upside down, they have to destroy themselves.
They have to kill their connection yes to Vecna and
Vecna's blood. So that's the thing that was introduced in
chapter seven as well. Let me run through the episodes
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real quick. Here chapter five, Shock Jock, the kids are
in Camazots. This is Vecna's mindscape, which is getting a
little confusing as to how it relates to everything. But
essentially it's Vecna's mind or Vecna pulling them into his mind,
or he's in their mind. I don't really know how
that works. But in this episode we get Henry explaining
to the kids essentially what his plan is, and that
(31:06):
plan is to bring that dimension X the Abyss as
Dustin calls it in, I want to mash it up
with Earth.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I just want to see Krane. I want to see
the Technodroy.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
We also get the reveal here that Calli's blood has
been getting drawn by Doctor K and it's getting infused
into pregnant women because doctor K is trying to essentially
recreate with Doctor Brenner.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
He's trying to create super soldiers to send U the
Soviet Union.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
And what we do get in this episode as well
is Will sort of utilizing his sorcerer abilities to invade
Veca's mind and body and he essentially saves Hally and Max.
That was kind of cool. It was good enough. I'm like,
all right, he can tap into it Vecta can push
him out. I can deal with that. Episode six, Escape
from Camazots, Dustin discovers Brenner's notes in the Upside Downs laboratory,
(31:59):
and this reveal that the Upside Down is actually this
sort of bridge slash wormhole between the real world and
this alternate dimension, the Abyss that Dustin's calling it. You
get this, Jonathan and Nancy really honestly boring stuff. It's
just they spend too much time on it. I get,
you know, the characters are where they at, but we
don't really care as an audience at least I don't
(32:20):
you get Erica and Murray bringing mister Clark back into
the fold to help find Dustin and to improve the
team overall. Uh, Lucas, Robin and Miss Wheeler especially save
Max in the hospital. They're obviously paying homage there to
Jurassic Park, and you know.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Park is in the nineties. Though also like with the
bomb in the like how.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I'm not gonna say that what she did would never happen,
but what she did would never happen unless they were Yeah,
mean you know, maybe stuff was built.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And it gets back to the same question we've had
for years. Really ten years now, what kills these things?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Good?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Point like they were getting dead shot in the face,
like they were like blasted in the face, No, no.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Effect, broken wine bottles to the mouth, that's nass.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
And then uh, dryers with hydrogen. Oxygen was an oxygen? Yes,
well hydrogen also blows up. Hydrogen is I think we've
learned from the Hindenburg.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Uh. The culmination of this episode was Max and Holly
escaping the mind escape. The camera zots and Max gets
back into her body.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I was laughing when Max is like, so I'm gonna
go this way. I think you can find her own
way out.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Well, and then she spends like seven minutes talking to her.
I'm like, you gotta go, get out your windows closing, Yeah,
you gotta go.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I also in her speech the way she was like,
Kate Bush isn't gonna save you. I'm like, that's a
really funny screenshot if you have the caption on there,
just Kate Bush isn't gonna save you.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
She's like, I don't have a Kate Bush. Holly escapes
and then ends up falling through I guess the wormhole
or into the wormhole that is the upside down, and
she gets zapped right back up by Vecna, but briefly
her and Nancy see each other, so gives a glimmer
of hope there. Chapter seven, the Bridge, Holly reawakens in
(34:16):
the abyss where they get the mouth sucker things on.
Oh no, this is this is how episode seven opens.
She drops into the upside down and then give this
was like episode set you know five and six. I
was okay with seven. Everyone is just like, we're all together,
let's go do this. They all go into the upside down,
(34:36):
they all come out of the upside down. Dustin reveals
the plan to Vecna. They're all sitting down having a
grand old time, or it reveals Vecna's plan to all
of them. And then the kids just beat the shit
out of Holly, which I couldn't help but laugh at.
They just completely fuck her up. And then it culminates
and Cali telling Eleven that they have to sacrifice them
(34:57):
sacrifice themselves, and then Will comes out as gay, and
it is an emotional moment for some of the characters.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
I really liked the Jonathan response.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I just thought as an audience, it just doesn't land
for most I would I would imagine. And then we
closed the episode with the whole gang going back into
the upside Down and Henry sitting in camizots in that
mindscape with the twelve kids in this sort of last
supper imagery, and they do that. So we leave off
(35:31):
with them ready to confront Vecna. And I understand why
this group of episodes did what it did, but once again,
in three and a half hours, we could have accomplished
this in an hour and a half. It just it
just dragged, it dragged.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Gil My brother sent me and it was it's a islop.
So Brendan, don't send me any more of this. But
it's the line of Will going I don't like girls,
and then he looks at the camera and he goes,
I like turtles, and then it goes to Michael Land going, oh,
a bun guy.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
All right, So the major takeaways.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Let's move on from that.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I got nothing more. The major takeaways. The information we
learned uh from Brenner's notes is that the upside Down
is this wormhole. Okay, so I access a bridge to
the abyss. I'm not gonna say I'm a smart man.
Much like Forest Gump, I am not a smart man.
But if I were to.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Find a giant book that maybe one of the smartest
people in the world had ever created. I open it
and I'm not gonna be like I have the Key
to winning, and gonna be like, I don't understand anything
in this book. So fucking I'm so fucking confused. What
are these lines?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I will say, crisply drawn lines by doctor brit.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
He has great penmanship.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Great penmanship. He can draw circle.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Man, he did draw a circle. But like, and I
get it, Dustin's a smart kid, but like, he's still
a high school student. I don't believe he can just
pick up and be like, guys, I have the answer.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I don't think Dustin's an ap physics and all the
stuff in here is breaking the laws of physics.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
So it's like I would pick this up and be like,
let's try and find something else. This isn't gonna help us.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
This abyss that we've been operating in in this season, apparently,
you know, they spend a little bit of time within
that stage play. It was discovered by.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
At least at least pick up the book if you're
Dustin and be like, I can pick up on some
of this. I'm gonna give it to my teacher that
seems overqualified to be a science teacher at the high school.
Like maybe he can decipher some of this, sure, but
like for him to pick up and be like, fuck,
this is how we wrap the show.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
This Abyss that Henry kind of discovered and discovered the
mind Flare, so there's there's unresolved stuff there between Henry,
the mind Flair, and the ABYSS. We see a little
bit the first half of a memory from Henry where
he has this briefcase that he opens and presumably this
is what sucks him mean to the ABYSS or connection
(38:00):
with the mind flair, Yeah, cheese. That we discover that
doctor Brenner essentially used eleven just to find Henry, and
Brenner was of course experimenting on kids to replicate Henry
slash fine that dimension. And then Vecna has been hiding
(38:20):
in this ABYSS dimension. He has not been in the
upside down, but he's still able to manipulate stuff in
the upside down. I'm not really sure. And Vecna's plan
essentially is to bring the ABYSS through this wormhole slash
bridge and merge it with the real world.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Right, But if you have a radio tower, you can
use it like a beanstalk.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I just don't really know what the endgame is for
Vecna's plan, and so I'm still curious as to maybe
it's the mind Flayer's plan, because what is Vecna gain
out of merging the worlds. He's just gonna be a ruler,
don't I don't really understand it. And now for nothing,
Like if Eleven is the closest thing to Vecna and
(39:03):
you have this whole team of powered individuals, eventually they're
going to defeat Vecna, whether this plan happens or not.
So I don't I don't get the.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
End maybe for him. And also, if you're Linda Hamilton,
aren't you like welcoming this so that you can get
Vecna closer to you so you can create real super soldiers.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
I don't know. Doctor K's character has been completed species
She's terrible. Go My biggest gripe here.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Is she a med in black.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
We get Max's back. We also learned that Will. It's
revealed to Will that it was his mind essentially creating
the wormholes underneath Hawkins. What really gets me.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
The tunnel, not the wormholes.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah sorry, yeah, but they were like holes kind of
created by worms. That's why I said that. Sorry, you're right,
the tunnels tunnels under Vecna. I don't want to confuse folks,
Go fucking no one has died. No one has died.
I figured Max may come back.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
But how has no one died? Needs to say in
the finale, I needed all of you to be alive
or something like that to really make a point of
you should all be dead.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
It's just it's frustrating, even even tertiary characters. We aren't
losing of the gang, Like now, so we got two
hours left, presumably there'll be a couple deaths, but now
it's like now it's too happy go lucky for me.
And to your point, yeah right, they they found the medium,
the not happy medium, the sad medium, but it is
(40:36):
it feels like they want their cake and eat it too,
because yes, the origin is a group of kids playing
D and D and maybe that was what that's what
they're trying to get back to, but what the show
has become in seasons three, four, and five is something
completely different from that. So what why is no one dying?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Do we think this is one long campaign that is
going to end with the four boys at the table
and this was all their imagination.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
That is also possible. That is awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
How would you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (41:03):
So once again I'll give him credit because I don't
know how the fuck is gonna end, and I spend
every waking moment watching whatever I'm watching to figure out
how it's gonna end, and I still don't know. I
still don't know. So there they are keeping me confused,
and this is mysterious. But ah, the problem is there's
still too much at play. They haven't eliminated timelines, they
(41:25):
haven't eliminated characters, and now it just feels like, all right,
even if there's a really good ending, we're gonna be
a little disappointed because the middle part was disappointed.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Okay, so I just confirmed Bob Newhart is dead. But
I was thinking, like maybe they could end the show
the way that new Heart second show ended, where he
wakes up with the wife from the first show and
he's like, I just had this crazy dream and his
second show was all a dream from the first character
that he was from the first show, and like, maybe
(41:58):
Bob Newhart could have woken up and been like it
was all a dream.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
I was gonna say, who's the character in here?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
It was Bob Newhart is what I was thinking?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Or two connections here. This can either your thing. I
actually stumbled onto something. This could be in the the
Beatle Juice universe and why notice character crosses over, or
it's in the hell Boy universe.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Hold up, we are in nineteen eighty eight on the
show seven eighty seven. Beatlejuice has not come out yet.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Doesn't mean the universe doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
It does. Actually, it means the movie has not come out. Therefore,
we could.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Beetle just existed before the movie.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Beetlejuice existed back in the sixteen hundreds.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
There you go, just prove my point.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I'm lacking on my Beatles backstory right now, good, what do.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
You want to happen? What do you want to happen?
What like? How do you want this to finish?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
I want to not fall asleep during the finale, That
is my goal.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I understand that. Story wise.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
What I'm gonna hip my hand right now when we
do our Cinemac and Gooviy Awards, I am gonna include
this show it because it's gonna win the Sleepy Joe Award.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Well, it's also been the best television show of the year.
You've watched because you've watched no other television.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Television is so hard to get into. And I watched
seven season two, so.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Each shit, okay, Top two, Top two. I also watch
Tell me what you want to happen.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
I watched The Chair Company. We just talked about The
Chair Company. Different different, It's HBO. You're right, tell me
what you want to happen. I guess the Sacrifice of eleven.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
No, but I would watch that. No, I think what's
gonna happen. No, Harbor's gonna make the sacrifice I was
trying to make for two seasons.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Oh, you know what, they can go out together seasons.
They can go out together. No, I'm being serious. They
could uh.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
And live in the abyss and build a world in
the Abyss.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
No, like they're gonna they're gonna die. Well, I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
My answer would be, I'm at the point where, like
the characters have become so convoluted that like, I don't
really know what I want to happen. I don't know
what will be satisfied.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
And who are you rooting for?
Speaker 1 (43:52):
That's a great question. I I don't. I'm rooting for
fun stuff, right, I didn't care about Will, haven't cared
about Will for one and a half seasons, but then
when he becomes a sorcerer in the at the at
the end of the first third of season five, I'm like,
Will's Will's kind of cool. I like this, I'll root
for this, and then it just goes away again.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
And then also all I can think about is when
Rocking cool shit, When Rock and Robin isn't on the
morning show? What is playing on the airwaves of Squawk?
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Like? Who is this is more than one radio DJ?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
There's no one at the station at any other time?
Who was pushing buttons? Who's doing what? How are they?
How are they selling commercial breaks?
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Great point?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Where is the sales staff? Where is the traffic department?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I also love how the science teacher, what the focks's name,
mister Clark. I love how all this shit is going down.
All the kids in town have been like kidnapped, and
mister class just hanging out at his house having a
grand old time. Like nothing that's happening to our characters
is affecting anyone else in hockey. Everyone else is just
living their regular lives.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I also I think it would have like you had
a second opportunity to kill the mother, and I think
maybe you should have done it, where like she forced
her way out of the hospital to try and save
Holly and she dies. It like you need you gotta
do something that would.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Have been better than than nothing, because we got nothing.
I mean, Holly Wheeler has tried to die twice. Now,
I mean Karen Wheeler. Karen Wheeler has tried to kill herself.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Heading into the volume two, I'm sorry, this is volume two. Yeah,
Heading into volume two, you're like, Okay, we're gonna thin
out the herd a little bit. Exiting volume two, we
have more people in the gang.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
They've added.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
The gang is bigger now.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
It's so frustrating. I don't know how as audience members
and you know, as people who kind of love this stuff,
how we see it so clearly, like get rid of
some characters, up the stakes. When it happens in film
and television, we fucking love it. We're sad about it,
we're moved by it. But it makes the story better,
(46:10):
it makes it more satisfying. And like I just I
just don't get it. I don't get why you don't
want to pull the.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Trigger when Santa's slay, when the back gate was open
and they saw doctor k Dustin should have gave her
the middle finger, like at a little at a little
fun right there, or maybe double bird. They should have
all done it. That would have been funny if they
all went like this, like a.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
That's what, that's what? What doest just they better land
the plane in spectacular fashion or else people are gonna
look back upon this season.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
That's what curly, That's what Eddie would have done.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
I don't think it deserves to be mentioned on this level,
but people are gonna remember this close to the final
season of Game of Thrones like it's just it's just,
and especially because season four was so good and now
we're just meander along the way. I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
What's that meme of the kid pointing to himself of
like the kid on the bed like this and he's
pointing to himself, you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (47:09):
I don't think I know that one h But it would.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Have been funny if if when Will was like I
had a crush on someone that I shouldn't and like,
it would have been funny if Mike was like like
pointed to himself.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
That was a little much too. Will didn't need to
talk about his.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Like, uh, look at straight Mac trying to tell.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
He didn't need to tell everyone about the first person
he was in love with. He could just tell people, Hey,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Well, he was trying to tell people about his struggles.
I guess that's yeah. But once again, if it was
a smaller group and it was more intimate, and you
didn't just add the nurse that you have no idea
who the age she is, or your professor or there's just.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Just Barb by the way, how come no one's talking
about that.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Do you think it is Barb? Did we just stumble
upon something?
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Could be she's a double agent for victa news dump.
Let's get into Mac sack ed.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Mac Sack could be anything. It could be about in Mac.
This will be our final podcast of the year twenty
twenty five. Our final segment of the year twenty twenty five,
twenty twenty six. I'm gonna watch more movies. I'm sorry
about this year.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
I feel like I.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Slacked, but I'll say this, the quality of the show
is better, so maybe I should see less movies.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
You still get a month before we really get to
talk about twenty twenty five. Oh I do.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
I would like to thank anyone that messaged us over
the last week being like, hey, Merry Christmas. Really appreciate
or I really like the show because you telling us
that lets us know that people are still listening.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Yes, that helps, yes, long way, thank.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
You, because otherwise I'm just like, I'm just talking to mac,
which is fine because I need works. I need to
talk to people outside of my wife and son, So
it's okay. Yeah, yeah, I need to watch this show, honey.
It's on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
So is that is that your New Year's resolution is
to watch more movies?
Speaker 2 (49:13):
That's one of them. My other one, thank you for
asking me. My other New Year's resolution is to look
less tired.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
That's gonna be hard to do.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I'm not saying be less tired, but I'm gonna try
and look less tired.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Although you know what, Raffi's old enough now where you
don't really have to deal with the kid waking up
in the middle of the night. That's good. Well, he's
getting there.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
He's getting there.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
And also I'm I'm a fucking ball of stress.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
So I'll tell you. I'll tell you this, gude. Yeah,
to that point, now that I've been a cpat boy
for almost a month, I'm getting better sleep, I'm less
tired during the draps. That goes a long way. My
resolution for twenty twenty six has nothing to do with
this program. I have enrolled in a fire science program
to finish my education, and I would like to finish
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it so I can get paid more money.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
I was gonna say, I also want to make more money.
And I'm not saying from this because we're not gonna
make shit off of this simply, But like, should I
start driving Uber or something, I'd have a real issue
as like an Uber driver Uber eats driver. With the
rating system, I can't take bad reviews, so I would,
I'd be in constant fucking stress.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
What is your what is your Uber rating? As a
as a passenger?
Speaker 2 (50:25):
I don't have Uber.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
That's not true.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I don't have Uber. What do you mean I don't
have it.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
That's can't be true.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
I might have a lift that I've used three times.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Come on, how the fuck are you living in the
city of Boston. You're in You're in the city limits
of Boston, Massachusetts, and you don't uber lyft.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
I own a car.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Don't we all do brag?
Speaker 2 (50:50):
And then if I need, like if we need one,
I'll just ask my wife. I'm like, I'll, I'll give
you the money later.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
So what if you and your wife need to go somewhere.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Then she gets her Lyft.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
So so you you're you're you're Sucubis for your wife's
ubers and Lyfts.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yes, okay, I can't deal with being raided. I don't
want to. I'm so fragile.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Is this because you've been blackballed from uber and Lyft
because your rating was so low?
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I'm actually lucky that we didn't have more uber and
Lyft available during my drunk days, because yes, I probably
would be banned from one of them.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
It came out like towards the tail end.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Tail ends of your yeah, yeah, of your heyday mm hmm,
because I mean, otherwise it'd be like, I'm not taking
this guy in my car.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
One point too? What the fuck? Although when it's that low,
you'd be curious, like, you know what, I am gonna
pick this guy?
Speaker 2 (51:43):
I want to see. Is he gonna throw up everywhere?
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Probably? Is he gonna ship his paints?
Speaker 1 (51:48):
You have a shopping carriage with him? Is that coming
in the car?
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Is he gonna set himself on fire? We don't know,
was he just tased? Who knows we're gonna find out?
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Though?
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Is that how you got you want to make more money?
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yeah, that's pretty much.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I also okay, so I have three things and maybe
I don't know what order to put it in. Look
less tired. Sure, watch more movies make more money.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
I think you start with the tired this thing because
if you look less tired, you probably have more energy.
And if you have more energy, you can watch I'm
not saying you can watch more movies may make more money.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Saying to be less tired, I need to look less tired.
What do I put on my eyes to get rid
of the bags?
Speaker 1 (52:30):
That's the question, not for me. I'd like to know
that as well.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Okay, so someone let us know what do we put
on our eyes to get rid of our bags? Although
I was t bagus, Yeah, someone tea bag us. I
was told by the the bag us, Oh the bagas sorry.
I was told by a friend on Christmas that that
bags under your eyes are are huge in China right now.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
So as in we could sell ours on the black
market or we would just be more attractive in China.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Like people are trying to have bags under their rise.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
No thank you.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
I mean, can I even google that?
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Maybe you need to wear a warm compress at night
or cold.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
I've been seeing that they have these masks, sure, these
white masks like the Phantom of the Opera, but it's
full for the face. It lasers your face red light
red light.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
There girlfriend has one? Really?
Speaker 2 (53:18):
How does it work?
Speaker 1 (53:19):
It just it's a red light therapy. They make like
tanning beds that are red light therapy too.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Does it get rid of bags?
Speaker 1 (53:25):
I don't know what it does.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Is it custom fit to No, it's not so you
could probably just borrow hers. Yes, have you put it
on yet and gone? Hello? Clarice?
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Put that on with like sea pat mask over it?
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Now?
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Is not the time getting finished possible?
Speaker 2 (53:48):
My New Year's resolution is to be sleeping with the
most shit on my face as possible.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
You know what I've been doing. Here's here's a resolution
for you goo, for you know the blue collar folks
at home. I've been moisturizing more. Oh really moist is
my face? My bald ass head and my knuckles are
a little dry right now? Okay, my fingies are dry.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
And like I'm not sure with like do I drink
more caffeine? Do I drink less caffeine the same, I'd
say the same. Stay at this, don't drink too much caffeine.
I'm already drinking too much.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
How many cups of coffee you drinking today?
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Only one? But it's like sixty four ounces. It's a
big ass cup of coffee. I also take pre workout,
so like it's a lot of caffeine.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yeah, you do both in the morning, pre workout and coffee.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Well, pre workout, workout, and then like three hours later coffee.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Oh okay, there's a gap there. That's good. Yeah, so
you have like a late morning coffee like nine o'clock. Yeah,
what time are you getting up?
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Six?
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (54:47):
Waking? Bake? Am I right? I like to make brownies
in the morning.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Who's doing edibles at six oh five in the morning.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
I need to stop getting high, So we're.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Maybe that's what that's how you fix it. Have an
edible before bed.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
To start getting high all the time. We get to
monetize on YouTube for saying that. I don't think so,
and you want to know why, because we don't make
money off of YouTube.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Maybe we'll get a sponsorship out of it.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Oh that's a good night. So uh someone who wants
to sponsor us comment down below. We need a salesforce.
We need a traffic department. We need to figure out
what Squawk isn't doing. We need to start doing that,
all right. We need more wigs, we need more props.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Oh you know, you know what. You can start your
year off with a bang or end your year with
a bang. We're gonna watch Marty Supreme this week.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
Oh, I hope so.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
See if you had Actually it's not on my black
box yet. It's not on my black box. Shot.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
I'm gonna text you after don't bring up the box,
but which might be to get you one. I'm gonna
talk to you later.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
Okay, all right?
Speaker 2 (55:53):
Uh, where can you find us?
Speaker 1 (55:55):
You can find us on x and Instagram at mac
andoo podcast over the platform mac ampersan goo. We're on
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but more importantly Apple podcasts. Get on there, rate review,
subscribe five stars if you do that. In an alternate
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Speaker 2 (56:23):
Murdery teapubook dot com. Check us out at the end
of the week, hopefully Marty Supreme. Well, no, we'll definitely
do that. Maybe we'll do it. What have you been watching?
Speaker 1 (56:32):
To watch Plurbus too?
Speaker 2 (56:33):
That is ten episodes nine I believe nine, and we
also have to watch the Industram It mightn't be eight.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
Look, we're gonna get a Plurbus episode eventually, and we're
gonna do Marty Supreme. Eventually.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
We should do Marty Supreme. Okay, you best to do Marty.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
So give me a second, Give me a second. Tuesdays
from Guesdays. I use kangaroos dam burn.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
Please flip the cassette over to side B to continue
the adventure. Now it's time for girls jumping on trimbapolins.
Mac.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
We are in the dead zone known as the week
between Christmas and New Years, where nothing matters, nothing's real.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Yeah, we're in dimension X, We're in the Abyss Crown.
Nothing that happens here matters. It's not a real place,
it's not a real time. It also feels like Christmas
was two weeks ago now, even though it was like
fucking three days ago.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
If not just this morning.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
No, no, I'm saying it feels later, long time ago,
long time once. Once Christmas is over and you get
to the twenty sixth, there's like a an exhale and
you're like, all right, glad the holidays over, enjoyed them.
We're on to New Year's which is a fake holiday too,
but we're on. We're onto a new set of times here,
a new year, a fresh start for everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
To be fair, though, I just finished a Muppet Christmas
Carol last night. It's took us three nights to get
to but my son kept falling asleep. But to be fair,
we kept on starting at around eight o'clock, so that's
my fault.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yes, yes, I.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Will say this before get into the question. I'm going
to ask you once again, this is our yearly praise
of saw Michael Kaine, where dear Lord, he is acting
off of puppets and he does not give a shit.
He is just wow, so good.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
They tore the force.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
One might say, I would like if I was George Lucas,
I would have shown that to Hayden Christiansen and been like,
it's possible, It's possible.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Do this Mac.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Now Christmas is over. I think we've received all of
our gifts. We given all of our gifts.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Anything cool, um, Not really, I'd say something that was
kind of cool, though. Is my mom ten years into
my Funko pop addiction and kind of four years past
I'm cleaning sober now from fucos. She did get me
a personalized Fucko Pop which is now my third personalized version.
(01:53):
Had you had a pair commissions of Mack and Goo.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Before Funko did it? Yes? I actually paid some into
customs some Funkos for us.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
And then I was I was in a wedding seven
or eight years ago where the grooms gift to all
the to like the whole groomsman was a personalized Funko
of each one, not unlike what you did for the
Mac and Gooo one. Now the Funko actually does it.
It's a little more official, a little bit higher quality.
I'd say, uh, she absolutely nailed it. Mustache, bald head
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vest in a long.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Sleeve, basic bitch outfit. She really get some pumpy coffee.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
The funk If you want to see it, I did
tweet it out, so it's on my Twitter page. Goo. Yes,
if anyone's watching on the YouTube right now, you'll see
that Goo. It looks like a NASCAR driver. Coo, what
did you get for Christmas?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That was This is the only gift that I received
on Christmas, and I will say it is perfect. My
in laws know me better than anybody. They always seem
to know just what to get me that I'm gonna
wear throughout the year. This is a doctor I wouldn't
call it a windbreaker. It's a bit uh thicker than that.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
It's like a starter jack.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
It's very close to a starter jacket. I wouldn't wear
this in the coldest of winter days. But on a nice,
you know, forty degree brisk weather day like today, you
go outside and you support your favorite soda brands.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
After all, we do know you is the DP King were.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, I'm the DDP King. DDP they know this. Their
house is stocked with DDP.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Sure, sure, sure.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I think I am going to buy a hat to
go with it that does say diet doctor Pepper. Just
let everyone know that. That's where I do push to.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
But now you're contrasting, you know, styles and flavors.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
It's the same color scheme. It's just flipped.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You're right, So I think you go white hat?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, white hat?
Speaker 1 (03:45):
The what would you call that? Like a burgundy? What
color is doctor Peppers?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I would say burgundy color? Yeah, yeah, I did have
fun on Christmas Day. I pointed out my sleeve. I'm like,
you know what this twenty three stands for? And everyone's like,
I don't, oh like flavors.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, not Michael Jordan. He did not start Doctor Pepper.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
If anything, I think Jordans said this during all of
his press conferences. He opened and closed with and he said,
twenty three Doctor Pepper.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well they they used to be twenty two flavors, but
they the owner of Doctor Pepper loved Michael Jordan so
much they added a twenty third flavor.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Can you tell me what year was because it says
here in my jacket established in eighteen eighty five.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yes, yeah, originally by the Doctor Pepper.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
And originally it was medicine right sure, and now it's
just my medace.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
It was just Dr Pepper and Coca Cola cocaine back
in the day, you.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Know, delicious, delicious Doctor Pepper and Robotussin. Yes. And then
on the gift giving side of it, Oh my goodness,
Christmas morning is the best. My son just great reactions
to all of his gifts. Love that he gave a
great Oh to a gift I didn't even think he'd liked,
but he did.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Cool. Yeah that I love that. Now not quite the same.
And I only got to watch them open a few
per But my niece and nephews eight, six and four
in the same age range is rafi, especially the older two.
My six year old nephew. It was like he didn't
even register any of the gifts. He just was like
foaming at the mouth to open, just to open. That's
(05:13):
all he wanted to do. The excitement, the mystery behind
what it might be. He just wanted to explore that.
And as soon as that one's open, onto the next one.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah. So, my son, he basically got three Christmas Mornings.
We got to try and figure out a way to
spread these out because he got my house and then
he's the only grandchild on my side. He's the only
grandchild on my wife's side, so he gets just given
so many gifts. He opens it, he's like, cool, let's
move on. I want to open this next one. Yeah,
(05:41):
So like it was actually really funny. His best reaction
was so like I said, in another one, I started
buying him Pokemon cards and we got him the book
to put the cards in, and then also I got
him the hard pieces of plastic. If he gets a
good card and he opened that, he's like, this gift stinks,
And I'm like that in these yeah, I'm like I
(06:01):
should have given that to you. On the side as like, hey,
this is what you do right, It didn't need to
be a gift. You also don't need to react like that.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You also like, I'm sure you're ordering the gifts under
the tree so that they're open to a certain order.
But me, at least as a gift picker, when I
went to go open as a kid, I don't have
any rhyme or reason I'm picking from here and.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
No, but you always want to do like and it's
when we were at kids like you would get an
N sixty four game and you're like, wait a second,
I don't have an N sixty four.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And then you're like, my friend's house, go and check
the living room.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Stupid.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Uh, now that you bring that up as a thirty
six year old adult, my mom still places gifts under
the tree for me and my two siblings on that side.
So she watched us open gifts Christmas morning, as she's
been doing for thirty six years now, and she got
all three of us her her like fun not even
gag gifts. She thought it would be cute. She like
(06:56):
paid someone on Etsy to make caricatures, as actually paid witches, me,
my sister, and my brother, but three separate photos. So
mine was me and my girlfriend and go so I'm
also in my brother's one from a photo we took
out a concert and one of them I looked like
doctor Phil. The other one I look like I own
a restaurant in the North End. Not I don't have
(07:18):
a very flattering face for caricatures, I'll say that, but
she was. So she was like, they're terrible in a
way that caricatures should be, and she thought they would
be super cute. So when she got them. She said
that she like considered not giving them to us because
they were so bad, but then she laughed for like
forty minutes straight them. She's like, I gotta give them
to them.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
It was three separate photos, but for some reason we
were all rollerblading. Oh my wife's gift.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
What'd you get her?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I got her a closet to put all of her stuff,
and she like when I gave it to her, she
was like, oh my goodness, thank you. But I don't
think she fully understood.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
What it was. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, and it took me, like I build, it took
me a long time. I hope it doesn't fall apart.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I got her a closet, I did.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I bought her well, you know, she can put all
overr stuff. She's very very nice stuff. And we have
gross closets at my fair.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
You had a closet we have like an insert into
the closet.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
You could insert it. We just have it as like
its own stands.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
We're standing.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, we're gonna it's a free standing closet we're gonna have.
I'll eventually get her some like side pieces that go
on there too.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Your home, the house that you live in is an
older one, and I think it's much like mine. I
don't know when the structure was built, but my closet
in my bedroom is like this deep. You can like
barely fit at anything.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's that's a little musky.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Sure, sure, yeahs old homes are. My girlfriend and I
are first Christmas together. We she had the idea to
not do gifts. We're gonna go in on a little
weekend getaway sort of thing, so we did that split that.
I of course, still I had to. It's the first Christmas.
I'm obviously gonna get her something. So she was a
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little annoyed that I actually did get her a gift.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I don't wanna say it, like she thought it'd be
really funny to go to Etsy and get these characters.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Do so now I just have caricatures of me plastered
all over the home.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
One good three, Yeah, just three. King of Queen Mill Street.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Entertainment. I'm go.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And we're back for.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
More of Goose. New thing is out for changes now,
that's all.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I just it's constant, like we need little breaks between
our little segments so I'm able to switch what I'm
wearing and really get into whatever character I'm in right now.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I'm Will. Uh. Speaking of Will, I almost made a
closet joke when you were talking about your wife's gift.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Good. Today we are discussing Stranger Things five, Season five
Volume Deah Volume two, the middle part of a three
volume release for season five, and I'll tell you this, Ku,
it felt like a middle part of a three part release.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
It felt like there was a can on the road,
and if they really wanted to kick it to the
end of the road, they could have kicked it really hard. Instead,
they're just slowly dribbling in the can down the road.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Here, Can I take my wig off?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Now? Can? Okay? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I'm going to take the wig off. I think we're
done with the wig until next week when we do
the finale. But I will say that it seems like
they decided that these three episodes we are going to
resolve all conflict between characters.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
A little bit of that, it was. It was more.
I took it more as we really need to explain
the bad guys motivations and everything about the upside down
and all this shit, because we're so fucking confused.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yes, But to be fair, as we keep going, I
keep saying to myself, all right, So I didn't.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Have that feeling with Volume one, in part because Volume
one ends spectacularly on a big high note.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I love big finishes, and I don't want to say
what you're into, but it's only finishes.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
This volume again, the middle part of a three part release,
had no high high really, it just exists. Now. The
Internet is the king of overreacting, right, So what I
think I watched I wouldn't consider bad. Was it good?
I'm not sure, but I don't think it was bad.
(11:49):
It's mostly necessary, however, go we got three hours, basically
three and a half hours of content in this middle part.
I would say you could have accomplished what they did
three and a half in about one and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I would also argue that I think what is missing
from this show at this point, and obviously they are
just they're going for their grand finale. I get it,
there's only two more hours left and they've built this up.
But I feel like what it's missing, and it's really
in the first two seasons, and maybe they can't get
(12:23):
this back anyways, but there was a certain fun factor
to what they had with the childlike wonderment of trying
to like tiptoe their way through something that wasn't super complicated.
Now they're at a point where everything is so complicated,
where it's almost all explaining stuff and there's no fun
(12:47):
factor in it for me, Or they're trying to resolve
all the conflicts that they've built over the last couple
of seasons, or at the start of this season, or
the kids all are no longer kids.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Here's uh what I'm thinking about as you're talking about that,
what your your criticism is fair. However, what you're saying
you love about this show, you flip it and reverse
it when it comes to Star Wars and you hate
that about Star Wars. Why you hate the kids stuff?
You hate the fun, gimmicky stuff that makes that's because
(13:21):
this show loved about this.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
This show was built on the back of kids and
trying to use eighties pop culture stuff to explain what
is happening now. It now it's just everyone has drama
and everyone is and I get it, you've been through
some shit. I get it, But there's there's a twinkle missing.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Also, this is what I mean. Season four had a
little bit more fun to it, but Season four was
largely dramatic. I know, I know, I'm trending this way anyways.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And we talked about this after season one was as
successful as it was. They should have locked these children
away for three years and made three more seasons and said, okay,
we're good.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Some of it is that where these kids are supposed
to be what or fourteen fifteen they look twenty twenty one,
twenty two, twenty five age.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
The characters with the kids.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, they you could do that. Apparently there was a
two year gap in between season four and five. Stranger Things.
Season five, Volume two released on Christmas. I didn't get
a chance to watch it until a day or two ago.
Volume one released on the day before Thanksgiving. I believe
that was episodes one through four. These this was episodes five, six,
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and seven. We are getting the finale on New Year's
Eve at five pm, which you can also watch on
the big screen if you would like, And once again go.
This series debuted way back on July fifteenth, twenty sixteen,
nine and a half years ago. Uh. The fourth season
dropped in May of twenty twenty two, so again, a
lot of time has passed, a lot of things have changed,
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most notably the look of the actors.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
And FA look at how we used it, and granted
there is no video of the old podcast, but like
we used to look a lot younger too, and now
we are we're old oven Mitz.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I'd argue I probably look better than I did ten
years ago.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Uh Hoba On the message board comment down below, who
aged better? Mac or Goo.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Most notably good? Not even the kids for me, but
this volume for me really underscored how much Maya Hawk
looks way older than when she was introduced in season three.
In season three, she kind of has this bubbably teenage
look to her. Now she looks like she's forty years
old and she's been through.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah. I was talking to a friend of the show,
Wesley Burho, and he was pointing out to me how
like Steve and Nancy look younger than the main four kids.
Now you're not wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Jonathan still looks like shit, but that's right.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
But we talk about this, like I look like shit
in high school, but like then when people saw me
seven eight years later, like oh you look okay, I'm like, well,
compared to high.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
School, it's it's all relative. Uh. Stranger Things, Season five,
Volume two is a tv M, a drama horror, mystery, mystery, thriller,
and sci fi. You also have sub genres here coming
of age, dark fantasy, fantasy, epic, monster, horror, psychological drama,
sci fi, epic, supernatural, fantasy, supernatural, horror, teen r And
(16:18):
what I think this volume specifically really harps on is
this psychological aspect of all of the characters. They're wanting
to be loved, dealing with loved, dealing with rejection, dealing
with psychological trauma and PTSD. That's really what we spent
our time.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
You think the way to defeat is going to be love.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
They're playing, they're playing with this love themes and they're
pairing off these characters, you know, Dustin, Steve, Nancy and Jonathan,
you know Mike and eleven and then eleven and eight. Yeah,
it's they're there. I just so if they go that route,
what's the is it? Who? Who's who is Henry's bugaboo? Well?
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I can tell you this is that care Bears came
out in the eighties and that was all about caring,
sharing and fuzzy little bears that had symbols on their tummies.
Do you think that plays into this?
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I think there is a chance and I'm not saying
it's a good chance, but I do think there's a
chance in the stupid fucking play that they put out
that is Cannon Shadows of whatever, the first shadow, Strange Things,
first Shadow. There's a lot of interest in there for
Henry and I am curious if that plays a part
(17:35):
in the finale here, and if it does, I'm not
gonna like it.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Full spoiler here, there's a couple of one more non spoiler.
When did Vecna become Groot?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I don't know, but I like that. That's that's that's.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
What he's just doing Groot stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Now his powers are growing. His powers are growing. Uh.
This this runtime of three episodes was two hundred and
nine minutes, three hours and twenty nine minutes, sixty eight
seventy five and sixty six minutes. We're up to goo
on the season through seven episodes, eight hours and twelve
minutes of content, with one hundred and twenty one minutes
left two hours a one minute. The season in total
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is going to be over ten hours on roddy Teazgoo.
When we reviewed volume one, it had eighty three percent
from the audience score. Season five. Now that volume two
has finished, Season five, is at fifty six percent, so
it is free falling. The audience is saying, we don't
like this.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Is it that or is it people that don't like that?
It's confirmed that one of the characters, and that's one
of the main storylines.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, so Will coming out as gay, which is not
a spoiler because the audience knew that. The characters in
the show didn't do that, but the audience.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I feel like the audience figured it out first and
the writers are like, oh, we could put this in
the show.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
The audience was on this since season two, and so
the culmination, this big moment at the end of this
volume is Will's coming out, you know, his beat, his talk,
and that's huge for the characters. However, go as an audience,
we've been hyper aware of this for at least three
or four seasons, so it just falls so flat science.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I feel that this is slightly spoilery, but whatever, we're
already talking about it. We're gonna sprinkle this in. We
don't mean to do it. But if you're watching this volume.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, if you're listening to us right now, you watched
both thoughts, right.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I thought that the coming out and maybe I'm wrong.
I don't know, but like I felt like it should
have been way more intimate than him talking to like
twenty five people. I thought it should have been mother, brother,
core group of friends that he cared the most about.
Maybe Robin is there as like support, but for some reason,
because he's telling like the community that they have built
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on this show that first off, the government should be
easily tracking them now because there's so many of them.
But I was like, he's like, this feels like it's
too many people, and he truly only has connections with
like six or seven of them. That should have been
the great that he was talking to, and I feel
like that, I don't know. I felt like it was
kind of lost on me because he was talking to
so many people. Because the stuff with Jonathan in that
(20:09):
scene I thought was compelling and I thought that was
a really nice moment, but I was just like, there
was too many people there.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
I can't believe you, as a straight white Cismele would
dictate how a game man, I'm.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Not trying to. I just like, like the scene, well
I'm trying, I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I'm just fucking with you. I think that the Duffers
really really thought this was going to land with the audience. However,
just because they never confirmed it on screen yet until
this moment didn't mean we all didn't already know. So
what's supposed to be this big emotional moment to gass
(20:52):
up the gang to get ready for the finale just
falls flat falls, simply false.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's not a joking moment. But where's this archy comment
from Erica, Like, wouldn't she at least have leaned over
to Mari and been like, yeah, we knew something like that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
You know, if you're talking time and place, it's the
middle of the eighties. People weren't as receptive. Maybe Hopper
would have said something, you know, just I don't know,
don't like, let's get back to that. Let's get back
that because I there's connections to it that I think
they're really like characters aren't doing what they maybe should
be doing. So again, this was created by Matt and
(21:28):
Ross Stuffer, who's been doing a massive press tour now
leading up to the finale. Initially it was like all
the actors and always Now it's been the Duffers to
refresh the memory of Folks. Volume one opens in November
of eighty seven. You know, we got Vecna with the
upside down. Now it's becoming one with Hawkins. Essentially, the
military is involved and what's her face, Linda, Linda, Linda, Linda, listen, Linda, Linda.
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Linda Hamilton is here doing the worst possible she could.
Holly Wheeler is heavily involved now, and so Volume one
focuses on this fractured group trying to reunite or unite
in the first place, and defeat Vecna. Essentially, while that's
going on, Vecna is kidnapping children. Will has this great
(22:17):
moment at the end of volume one where he really
taps into everything he was capable of doing, in part
because Robin sort of like gave him motivation. That's fine.
The last twenty minutes though, was a great scene. I
really enjoyed it. And so you come off the high
of Vecna grooting through someone's face and Will killing some
(22:38):
Demagorgans into this little bit of a middle part where like,
all right, now we have to resolve, to your point,
a lot of this strife and turmoil between character groups
and character couples that have been kind of drifting apart
since you know, the end of season three, and so
mostly what volume two is that and through the lens
(23:01):
of these fractured relationships, we learn about what the upside
down really is. We learn about Vecna's true motivations. So
it's it's like necessary from a storytelling standpoint, it's necessary.
But because they chose to do this release schedule the
way they did, you know, a month in between volume
one and two, and give us this lull leading into
(23:25):
a lull in the story, it's just so disappointing. It's
so disappointing, and we're in se I'm not saying this
is Game of Thrones level, but some people are. Some
people are saying they're thrones in it, and it's hard
to argue against that that they're not crash landing the
plane here.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
What I liked about the first couple of seasons is that, like,
while this spooky stuff is going on, they're still going
about their childhood lives and like it's still at the
top of mind, but they're still trying to navigate the
school day or something like that. Like there's still something
about it where it isn't hyper focus.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
But we can't get back to that. I know, Bockets
is fractured, you know, I know you can't Once again,
this show stars, why not a Writer's Joyce Byers, David
Harber's Jim Hopper, Vin Finn Wolfhardt is Mike Wheeler, Millie
Bobby Brown is Eleven Kayton Modarazzo is Dustin Sinclair, Caleb
McLoughlin Lucas Sinclair, Dustin Henderson, Sorry, Natalia Dyers, Nancy Wheeler,
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Charlie Heaton and Jonathan Byers, Joe Curious, Steve Harrington, Noah
Snap as Well Buyers, kar Brono as Karen Wheeler, Sadie
Sink is Max Mayfield, Pria Ferguson as Ericas Sinclair, Joe
Crest as Ted Wheeler, Maya Hawk is Robin Buckley. Brett
Gellman is Murray Bauman, who is doing a lot when
he's on screen, he is doing a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Well, I'm gonna say they're all doing a lot, and
what they're doing a lot of is finishing each other's sandwiches.
It's as if they have so many characters and not
enough lines to go around that they're just sharing lines
and they're just like someone starts a sentence, someone finishes it,
someone then starts another one, someone finishes that.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
People.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
The conversations on this show are so weird and they
all know when, exactly when to stop in the middle
of their sentence for someone else to then pick it up.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, that's you're not wrong about that A good what
I will underline underscore in this set of episodes, I
felt like Jamie Campbell Bauer as Henry Creole specifically was
very good and we're really he's he's doing a good job.
We get back to Randy Havens as mister Clark in
this edition of episodes. And of course now the big
(25:31):
one of the big moments at the end of volume
one was that LENEA. Berthelson, who plays Calli aka eight,
is back in the fold.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I'm not saying anyone is doing a bad job. This
is all me issues sure, sure, it's all me, nothing
to do with anyone else. It's all goo.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
And once again newcomers for this season Nel Fisher's Holly Wheeler,
who admittedly has been pretty good.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Also, I saw that she has had the most run
time on the show.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Makes sense, that makes sense, I.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Think introduced in the Backdoor pilot.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I don't think that's good. I think they're gonna go
back to like the fifties.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
You think they're going back to the fifties. I think
they're gonna jump to the nineties with Holly and with Derek.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I don't think that's gonna be the case.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well, how much money you want to slap on that?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
The afore mentioned Linda Hamilton as Doctor K gu she
lost her ability to act. I guess she's fucking terrible.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
You know what I always say, Every kiss begins with Kay.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Her character's bad, the acting's bad. Alex Bros. Lieutenant Robert Akers,
he's like first in command under Doctor K. And then
Jake Connley as Derek Turnbow is still great. So to
their credit. The two new introductions and newcomers who have
had the most screen time, Holly and Derek, they've been great.
So I do I do like that?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Suck a fat one.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
And gow once again, we'd be remiss if we didn't
pour one ouse.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
You know, you keep mentioning these people, and because you
keep doing this and I think we might get it
and I'm not happy about it. Are we gonna go
back in time? And are all of these people gonna
be around at the end of the show because it
turns out what we did and this.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Is an end game.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
No, it's an eighty staple to turn back time Mike
Share and we end up with all of our fallen
heroes being alive.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yep, those fallen heroes. Doctor Montgomery's Billy Hargrove. Matthew Modane,
Well he's a bad guy as doctor Martin Brenner. What
if all the bad guys come back? Paul Riser is
Doctor Samo and Sean Aston as Bob Newby, and Joseph
Quinn is Eddie.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
You keep forgetting to say Barb, and it would be
funny if everyone.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Doc was barely in the show.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
It would be funny if everyone came back to life
except for Barb, and someone's like, oh what about Barber?
And then Nancy goes she never met.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Once again. If you are confused as to why there's
some missing plot points or see some stuff, there is
a stage played called Stranger Things, the first shadow that
is Cannon to this show, and it predominantly acts as
Vecna's origin story. New Rock Stars does now have a
breakdown on their YouTube channel, twenty three minute breakdown recapping
(28:15):
and summarizing everything you need to know from that. So
if you want that, go there. Let's get to the spoilers. Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers,
So Gou we talked about Will coming out as gay
is this big moment at the end of this volume,
towards the end of this volume, and apparently the way
they're phrasing it and setting it up the way Will is,
(28:37):
Will's been held back in the in Airgo, the whole
crew has been held back because Vecna was threatening that
he would tell everyone that.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Reveal Will's secret, and Will's fear of everyone finding out
and then him being a ding Vecna.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Was praying on Will not coming out essentially.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Right, which in the eighties it was a different time
and there was a different stigma to you know, how
people would react to that news. So that that does
play into it. And we also talk about in this
how love could be, you know, a winning factor against Vecna,
and we talk about people coupling up when it comes
(29:18):
to love. It could also have to do with Will's
new self love and understanding that people have accepted him
for who he is and now he's able to love
himself after years of hating himself.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And so maybe what you're saying is happening to Will there,
that's what undoes Vecna. Henry comes through and Henry learns
to love himself after every everything bad he's done. Maybe
I don't know. I for them to spend all that
time on Will and Will's self awakening, I wouldn't rule
out that that's what happens with Henry and Vecna.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Also, you have pointed out and this is an internet
theory of eleven plus eight plus one. I think that
is what it is. And Will is number one. He
was Vecna's firm, so he is number one, and then
you have eleven eight they're gonna come together. I'm not
sure if eleven follows through on the sacrifice though.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yep. So that's another thing.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Uh, you think we're gonna get dark Knight rises where
she pretends to sacrifice herself and then Michael Caine is
having a cappuccino when he sees her in the corner
with Finn Wolfard and they cheer.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
So Calli is telling eleven the only way they go
in Guy and this thing Cally not only to defeat
Vecna in destroy the upside down, they have to destroy themselves.
They have to kill their connection yes to Vecna and
Vecna's blood. So that's the thing that was introduced in
chapter seven as well. Let me run through the episodes
(30:44):
real quick. Here chapter five, Shock Jock, the kids are
in Camazots. This is Vecna's mindscape, which is getting a
little confusing as to how it relates to everything. But
essentially it's Vecna's mind or Vecna pulling them into his mind,
or he's in their mind. I don't really know how
that works. But in this episode we get Henry explaining
to the kids essentially what his plan is, and that
(31:06):
plan is to bring that dimension X the Abyss as
Dustin calls it in, I want to mash it up
with Earth.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I just want to see Krane. I want to see
the Technodroy.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
We also get the reveal here that Calli's blood has
been getting drawn by Doctor K and it's getting infused
into pregnant women because doctor K is trying to essentially
recreate with Doctor Brenner.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
He's trying to create super soldiers to send U the
Soviet Union.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
And what we do get in this episode as well
is Will sort of utilizing his sorcerer abilities to invade
Veca's mind and body and he essentially saves Hally and Max.
That was kind of cool. It was good enough. I'm like,
all right, he can tap into it Vecta can push
him out. I can deal with that. Episode six, Escape
from Camazots, Dustin discovers Brenner's notes in the Upside Downs laboratory,
(31:59):
and this reveal that the Upside Down is actually this
sort of bridge slash wormhole between the real world and
this alternate dimension, the Abyss that Dustin's calling it. You
get this, Jonathan and Nancy really honestly boring stuff. It's
just they spend too much time on it. I get,
you know, the characters are where they at, but we
don't really care as an audience at least I don't
(32:20):
you get Erica and Murray bringing mister Clark back into
the fold to help find Dustin and to improve the
team overall. Uh, Lucas, Robin and Miss Wheeler especially save
Max in the hospital. They're obviously paying homage there to
Jurassic Park, and you know.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Park is in the nineties. Though also like with the
bomb in the like how.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I'm not gonna say that what she did would never happen,
but what she did would never happen unless they were Yeah,
mean you know, maybe stuff was built.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And it gets back to the same question we've had
for years. Really ten years now, what kills these things?
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Good?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Point like they were getting dead shot in the face,
like they were like blasted in the face, No, no.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Effect, broken wine bottles to the mouth, that's nass.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
And then uh, dryers with hydrogen. Oxygen was an oxygen? Yes,
well hydrogen also blows up. Hydrogen is I think we've
learned from the Hindenburg.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Uh. The culmination of this episode was Max and Holly
escaping the mind escape. The camera zots and Max gets
back into her body.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I was laughing when Max is like, so I'm gonna
go this way. I think you can find her own
way out.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Well, and then she spends like seven minutes talking to her.
I'm like, you gotta go, get out your windows closing, Yeah,
you gotta go.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I also in her speech the way she was like,
Kate Bush isn't gonna save you. I'm like, that's a
really funny screenshot if you have the caption on there,
just Kate Bush isn't gonna save you.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
She's like, I don't have a Kate Bush. Holly escapes
and then ends up falling through I guess the wormhole
or into the wormhole that is the upside down, and
she gets zapped right back up by Vecna, but briefly
her and Nancy see each other, so gives a glimmer
of hope there. Chapter seven, the Bridge, Holly reawakens in
(34:16):
the abyss where they get the mouth sucker things on.
Oh no, this is this is how episode seven opens.
She drops into the upside down and then give this
was like episode set you know five and six. I
was okay with seven. Everyone is just like, we're all together,
let's go do this. They all go into the upside down,
(34:36):
they all come out of the upside down. Dustin reveals
the plan to Vecna. They're all sitting down having a
grand old time, or it reveals Vecna's plan to all
of them. And then the kids just beat the shit
out of Holly, which I couldn't help but laugh at.
They just completely fuck her up. And then it culminates
and Cali telling Eleven that they have to sacrifice them
(34:57):
sacrifice themselves, and then Will comes out as gay, and
it is an emotional moment for some of the characters.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
I really liked the Jonathan response.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I just thought as an audience, it just doesn't land
for most I would I would imagine. And then we
closed the episode with the whole gang going back into
the upside Down and Henry sitting in camizots in that
mindscape with the twelve kids in this sort of last
supper imagery, and they do that. So we leave off
(35:31):
with them ready to confront Vecna. And I understand why
this group of episodes did what it did, but once again,
in three and a half hours, we could have accomplished
this in an hour and a half. It just it
just dragged, it dragged.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Gil My brother sent me and it was it's a islop.
So Brendan, don't send me any more of this. But
it's the line of Will going I don't like girls,
and then he looks at the camera and he goes,
I like turtles, and then it goes to Michael Land going, oh,
a bun guy.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
All right, So the major takeaways.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Let's move on from that.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I got nothing more. The major takeaways. The information we
learned uh from Brenner's notes is that the upside Down
is this wormhole. Okay, so I access a bridge to
the abyss. I'm not gonna say I'm a smart man.
Much like Forest Gump, I am not a smart man.
But if I were to.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Find a giant book that maybe one of the smartest
people in the world had ever created. I open it
and I'm not gonna be like I have the Key
to winning, and gonna be like, I don't understand anything
in this book. So fucking I'm so fucking confused. What
are these lines?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I will say, crisply drawn lines by doctor brit.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
He has great penmanship.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Great penmanship. He can draw circle.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Man, he did draw a circle. But like, and I
get it, Dustin's a smart kid, but like, he's still
a high school student. I don't believe he can just
pick up and be like, guys, I have the answer.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I don't think Dustin's an ap physics and all the
stuff in here is breaking the laws of physics.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
So it's like I would pick this up and be like,
let's try and find something else. This isn't gonna help us.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
This abyss that we've been operating in in this season, apparently,
you know, they spend a little bit of time within
that stage play. It was discovered by.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
At least at least pick up the book if you're
Dustin and be like, I can pick up on some
of this. I'm gonna give it to my teacher that
seems overqualified to be a science teacher at the high school.
Like maybe he can decipher some of this, sure, but
like for him to pick up and be like, fuck,
this is how we wrap the show.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
This Abyss that Henry kind of discovered and discovered the
mind Flare, so there's there's unresolved stuff there between Henry,
the mind Flair, and the ABYSS. We see a little
bit the first half of a memory from Henry where
he has this briefcase that he opens and presumably this
is what sucks him mean to the ABYSS or connection
(38:00):
with the mind flair, Yeah, cheese. That we discover that
doctor Brenner essentially used eleven just to find Henry, and
Brenner was of course experimenting on kids to replicate Henry
slash fine that dimension. And then Vecna has been hiding
(38:20):
in this ABYSS dimension. He has not been in the
upside down, but he's still able to manipulate stuff in
the upside down. I'm not really sure. And Vecna's plan
essentially is to bring the ABYSS through this wormhole slash
bridge and merge it with the real world.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Right, But if you have a radio tower, you can
use it like a beanstalk.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I just don't really know what the endgame is for
Vecna's plan, and so I'm still curious as to maybe
it's the mind Flayer's plan, because what is Vecna gain
out of merging the worlds. He's just gonna be a ruler,
don't I don't really understand it. And now for nothing,
Like if Eleven is the closest thing to Vecna and
(39:03):
you have this whole team of powered individuals, eventually they're
going to defeat Vecna, whether this plan happens or not.
So I don't I don't get the.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
End maybe for him. And also, if you're Linda Hamilton,
aren't you like welcoming this so that you can get
Vecna closer to you so you can create real super soldiers.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
I don't know. Doctor K's character has been completed species
She's terrible. Go My biggest gripe here.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Is she a med in black.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
We get Max's back. We also learned that Will. It's
revealed to Will that it was his mind essentially creating
the wormholes underneath Hawkins. What really gets me.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
The tunnel, not the wormholes.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah sorry, yeah, but they were like holes kind of
created by worms. That's why I said that. Sorry, you're right,
the tunnels tunnels under Vecna. I don't want to confuse folks,
Go fucking no one has died. No one has died.
I figured Max may come back.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
But how has no one died? Needs to say in
the finale, I needed all of you to be alive
or something like that to really make a point of
you should all be dead.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
It's just it's frustrating, even even tertiary characters. We aren't
losing of the gang, Like now, so we got two
hours left, presumably there'll be a couple deaths, but now
it's like now it's too happy go lucky for me.
And to your point, yeah right, they they found the medium,
the not happy medium, the sad medium, but it is
(40:36):
it feels like they want their cake and eat it too,
because yes, the origin is a group of kids playing
D and D and maybe that was what that's what
they're trying to get back to, but what the show
has become in seasons three, four, and five is something
completely different from that. So what why is no one dying?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Do we think this is one long campaign that is
going to end with the four boys at the table
and this was all their imagination.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
That is also possible. That is awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
How would you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (41:03):
So once again I'll give him credit because I don't
know how the fuck is gonna end, and I spend
every waking moment watching whatever I'm watching to figure out
how it's gonna end, and I still don't know. I
still don't know. So there they are keeping me confused,
and this is mysterious. But ah, the problem is there's
still too much at play. They haven't eliminated timelines, they
(41:25):
haven't eliminated characters, and now it just feels like, all right,
even if there's a really good ending, we're gonna be
a little disappointed because the middle part was disappointed.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Okay, so I just confirmed Bob Newhart is dead. But
I was thinking, like maybe they could end the show
the way that new Heart second show ended, where he
wakes up with the wife from the first show and
he's like, I just had this crazy dream and his
second show was all a dream from the first character
that he was from the first show, and like, maybe
(41:58):
Bob Newhart could have woken up and been like it
was all a dream.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
I was gonna say, who's the character in here?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
It was Bob Newhart is what I was thinking?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Or two connections here. This can either your thing. I
actually stumbled onto something. This could be in the the
Beatle Juice universe and why notice character crosses over, or
it's in the hell Boy universe.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Hold up, we are in nineteen eighty eight on the
show seven eighty seven. Beatlejuice has not come out yet.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Doesn't mean the universe doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
It does. Actually, it means the movie has not come out. Therefore,
we could.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Beetle just existed before the movie.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Beetlejuice existed back in the sixteen hundreds.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
There you go, just prove my point.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I'm lacking on my Beatles backstory right now, good, what do.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
You want to happen? What do you want to happen?
What like? How do you want this to finish?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
I want to not fall asleep during the finale, That
is my goal.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I understand that. Story wise.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
What I'm gonna hip my hand right now when we
do our Cinemac and Gooviy Awards, I am gonna include
this show it because it's gonna win the Sleepy Joe Award.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Well, it's also been the best television show of the year.
You've watched because you've watched no other television.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Television is so hard to get into. And I watched
seven season two, so.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Each shit, okay, Top two, Top two. I also watch
Tell me what you want to happen.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
I watched The Chair Company. We just talked about The
Chair Company. Different different, It's HBO. You're right, tell me
what you want to happen. I guess the Sacrifice of eleven.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
No, but I would watch that. No, I think what's
gonna happen. No, Harbor's gonna make the sacrifice I was
trying to make for two seasons.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Oh, you know what, they can go out together seasons.
They can go out together. No, I'm being serious. They
could uh.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
And live in the abyss and build a world in
the Abyss.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
No, like they're gonna they're gonna die. Well, I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
My answer would be, I'm at the point where, like
the characters have become so convoluted that like, I don't
really know what I want to happen. I don't know
what will be satisfied.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
And who are you rooting for?
Speaker 1 (43:52):
That's a great question. I I don't. I'm rooting for
fun stuff, right, I didn't care about Will, haven't cared
about Will for one and a half seasons, but then
when he becomes a sorcerer in the at the at
the end of the first third of season five, I'm like,
Will's Will's kind of cool. I like this, I'll root
for this, and then it just goes away again.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
And then also all I can think about is when
Rocking cool shit, When Rock and Robin isn't on the
morning show? What is playing on the airwaves of Squawk?
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Like? Who is this is more than one radio DJ?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
There's no one at the station at any other time?
Who was pushing buttons? Who's doing what? How are they?
How are they selling commercial breaks?
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Great point?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Where is the sales staff? Where is the traffic department?
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I also love how the science teacher, what the focks's name,
mister Clark. I love how all this shit is going down.
All the kids in town have been like kidnapped, and
mister class just hanging out at his house having a
grand old time. Like nothing that's happening to our characters
is affecting anyone else in hockey. Everyone else is just
living their regular lives.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I also I think it would have like you had
a second opportunity to kill the mother, and I think
maybe you should have done it, where like she forced
her way out of the hospital to try and save
Holly and she dies. It like you need you gotta
do something that would.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Have been better than than nothing, because we got nothing.
I mean, Holly Wheeler has tried to die twice. Now,
I mean Karen Wheeler. Karen Wheeler has tried to kill herself.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Heading into the volume two, I'm sorry, this is volume two. Yeah,
Heading into volume two, you're like, Okay, we're gonna thin
out the herd a little bit. Exiting volume two, we
have more people in the gang.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
They've added.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
The gang is bigger now.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
It's so frustrating. I don't know how as audience members
and you know, as people who kind of love this stuff,
how we see it so clearly, like get rid of
some characters, up the stakes. When it happens in film
and television, we fucking love it. We're sad about it,
we're moved by it. But it makes the story better,
(46:10):
it makes it more satisfying. And like I just I
just don't get it. I don't get why you don't
want to pull the.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Trigger when Santa's slay, when the back gate was open
and they saw doctor k Dustin should have gave her
the middle finger, like at a little at a little
fun right there, or maybe double bird. They should have
all done it. That would have been funny if they
all went like this, like a.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
That's what, that's what? What doest just they better land
the plane in spectacular fashion or else people are gonna
look back upon this season.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
That's what curly, That's what Eddie would have done.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
I don't think it deserves to be mentioned on this level,
but people are gonna remember this close to the final
season of Game of Thrones like it's just it's just,
and especially because season four was so good and now
we're just meander along the way. I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
What's that meme of the kid pointing to himself of
like the kid on the bed like this and he's
pointing to himself, you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (47:09):
I don't think I know that one h But it would.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Have been funny if if when Will was like I
had a crush on someone that I shouldn't and like,
it would have been funny if Mike was like like
pointed to himself.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
That was a little much too. Will didn't need to
talk about his.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Like, uh, look at straight Mac trying to tell.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
He didn't need to tell everyone about the first person
he was in love with. He could just tell people, Hey,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Well, he was trying to tell people about his struggles.
I guess that's yeah. But once again, if it was
a smaller group and it was more intimate, and you
didn't just add the nurse that you have no idea
who the age she is, or your professor or there's just.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Just Barb by the way, how come no one's talking
about that.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Do you think it is Barb? Did we just stumble
upon something?
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Could be she's a double agent for victa news dump.
Let's get into Mac sack ed.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Mac Sack could be anything. It could be about in Mac.
This will be our final podcast of the year twenty
twenty five. Our final segment of the year twenty twenty five,
twenty twenty six. I'm gonna watch more movies. I'm sorry
about this year.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
I feel like I.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Slacked, but I'll say this, the quality of the show
is better, so maybe I should see less movies.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
You still get a month before we really get to
talk about twenty twenty five. Oh I do.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
I would like to thank anyone that messaged us over
the last week being like, hey, Merry Christmas. Really appreciate
or I really like the show because you telling us
that lets us know that people are still listening.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Yes, that helps, yes, long way, thank.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
You, because otherwise I'm just like, I'm just talking to mac,
which is fine because I need works. I need to
talk to people outside of my wife and son, So
it's okay. Yeah, yeah, I need to watch this show, honey.
It's on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
So is that is that your New Year's resolution is
to watch more movies?
Speaker 2 (49:13):
That's one of them. My other one, thank you for
asking me. My other New Year's resolution is to look
less tired.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
That's gonna be hard to do.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I'm not saying be less tired, but I'm gonna try
and look less tired.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Although you know what, Raffi's old enough now where you
don't really have to deal with the kid waking up
in the middle of the night. That's good. Well, he's
getting there.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
He's getting there.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
And also I'm I'm a fucking ball of stress.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
So I'll tell you. I'll tell you this, gude. Yeah,
to that point, now that I've been a cpat boy
for almost a month, I'm getting better sleep, I'm less
tired during the draps. That goes a long way. My
resolution for twenty twenty six has nothing to do with
this program. I have enrolled in a fire science program
to finish my education, and I would like to finish
(49:58):
it so I can get paid more money.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
I was gonna say, I also want to make more money.
And I'm not saying from this because we're not gonna
make shit off of this simply, But like, should I
start driving Uber or something, I'd have a real issue
as like an Uber driver Uber eats driver. With the
rating system, I can't take bad reviews, so I would,
I'd be in constant fucking stress.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
What is your what is your Uber rating? As a
as a passenger?
Speaker 2 (50:25):
I don't have Uber.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
That's not true.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I don't have Uber. What do you mean I don't
have it.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
That's can't be true.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
I might have a lift that I've used three times.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Come on, how the fuck are you living in the
city of Boston. You're in You're in the city limits
of Boston, Massachusetts, and you don't uber lyft.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
I own a car.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Don't we all do brag?
Speaker 2 (50:50):
And then if I need, like if we need one,
I'll just ask my wife. I'm like, I'll, I'll give
you the money later.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
So what if you and your wife need to go somewhere.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Then she gets her Lyft.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
So so you you're you're you're Sucubis for your wife's
ubers and Lyfts.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yes, okay, I can't deal with being raided. I don't
want to. I'm so fragile.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Is this because you've been blackballed from uber and Lyft
because your rating was so low?
Speaker 2 (51:17):
I'm actually lucky that we didn't have more uber and
Lyft available during my drunk days, because yes, I probably
would be banned from one of them.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
It came out like towards the tail end.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Tail ends of your yeah, yeah, of your heyday mm hmm,
because I mean, otherwise it'd be like, I'm not taking
this guy in my car.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
One point too? What the fuck? Although when it's that low,
you'd be curious, like, you know what, I am gonna
pick this guy?
Speaker 2 (51:43):
I want to see. Is he gonna throw up everywhere?
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Probably? Is he gonna ship his paints?
Speaker 1 (51:48):
You have a shopping carriage with him? Is that coming
in the car?
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Is he gonna set himself on fire? We don't know,
was he just tased? Who knows we're gonna find out?
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Though?
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Is that how you got you want to make more money?
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yeah, that's pretty much.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I also okay, so I have three things and maybe
I don't know what order to put it in. Look
less tired. Sure, watch more movies make more money.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
I think you start with the tired this thing because
if you look less tired, you probably have more energy.
And if you have more energy, you can watch I'm
not saying you can watch more movies may make more money.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Saying to be less tired, I need to look less tired.
What do I put on my eyes to get rid
of the bags?
Speaker 1 (52:30):
That's the question, not for me. I'd like to know
that as well.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Okay, so someone let us know what do we put
on our eyes to get rid of our bags? Although
I was t bagus, Yeah, someone tea bag us. I
was told by the the bag us, Oh the bagas sorry.
I was told by a friend on Christmas that that
bags under your eyes are are huge in China right now.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
So as in we could sell ours on the black
market or we would just be more attractive in China.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Like people are trying to have bags under their rise.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
No thank you.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
I mean, can I even google that?
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Maybe you need to wear a warm compress at night
or cold.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
I've been seeing that they have these masks, sure, these
white masks like the Phantom of the Opera, but it's
full for the face. It lasers your face red light
red light.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
There girlfriend has one? Really?
Speaker 2 (53:18):
How does it work?
Speaker 1 (53:19):
It just it's a red light therapy. They make like
tanning beds that are red light therapy too.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Does it get rid of bags?
Speaker 1 (53:25):
I don't know what it does.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Is it custom fit to No, it's not so you
could probably just borrow hers. Yes, have you put it
on yet and gone? Hello? Clarice?
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Put that on with like sea pat mask over it?
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Now?
Speaker 1 (53:42):
Is not the time getting finished possible?
Speaker 2 (53:48):
My New Year's resolution is to be sleeping with the
most shit on my face as possible.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
You know what I've been doing. Here's here's a resolution
for you goo, for you know the blue collar folks
at home. I've been moisturizing more. Oh really moist is
my face? My bald ass head and my knuckles are
a little dry right now? Okay, my fingies are dry.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
And like I'm not sure with like do I drink
more caffeine? Do I drink less caffeine the same, I'd
say the same. Stay at this, don't drink too much caffeine.
I'm already drinking too much.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
How many cups of coffee you drinking today?
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Only one? But it's like sixty four ounces. It's a
big ass cup of coffee. I also take pre workout,
so like it's a lot of caffeine.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yeah, you do both in the morning, pre workout and coffee.
Speaker 2 (54:34):
Well, pre workout, workout, and then like three hours later coffee.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Oh okay, there's a gap there. That's good. Yeah, so
you have like a late morning coffee like nine o'clock. Yeah,
what time are you getting up?
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Six?
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (54:47):
Waking? Bake? Am I right? I like to make brownies
in the morning.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Who's doing edibles at six oh five in the morning.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
I need to stop getting high, So we're.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Maybe that's what that's how you fix it. Have an
edible before bed.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
To start getting high all the time. We get to
monetize on YouTube for saying that. I don't think so,
and you want to know why, because we don't make
money off of YouTube.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Maybe we'll get a sponsorship out of it.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Oh that's a good night. So uh someone who wants
to sponsor us comment down below. We need a salesforce.
We need a traffic department. We need to figure out
what Squawk isn't doing. We need to start doing that,
all right. We need more wigs, we need more props.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Oh you know, you know what. You can start your
year off with a bang or end your year with
a bang. We're gonna watch Marty Supreme this week.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
Oh, I hope so.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
See if you had Actually it's not on my black
box yet. It's not on my black box. Shot.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
I'm gonna text you after don't bring up the box,
but which might be to get you one. I'm gonna
talk to you later.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
Okay, all right?
Speaker 2 (55:53):
Uh, where can you find us?
Speaker 1 (55:55):
You can find us on x and Instagram at mac
andoo podcast over the platform mac ampersan goo. We're on
all the platforms where you can find podcasts, including Spotify,
but more importantly Apple podcasts. Get on there, rate review,
subscribe five stars if you do that. In an alternate
timeline and the upside down version of in the wormhole,
that was a maca goot T shirt for the folks
(56:16):
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Speaker 2 (56:23):
Murdery teapubook dot com. Check us out at the end
of the week, hopefully Marty Supreme. Well, no, we'll definitely
do that. Maybe we'll do it. What have you been watching?
Speaker 1 (56:32):
To watch Plurbus too?
Speaker 2 (56:33):
That is ten episodes nine I believe nine, and we
also have to watch the Industram It mightn't be eight.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
Look, we're gonna get a Plurbus episode eventually, and we're
gonna do Marty Supreme. Eventually.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
We should do Marty Supreme. Okay, you best to do Marty.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
So give me a second, Give me a second. Tuesdays
from Guesdays. I use kangaroos dam burn.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
Please flip the cassette over to side B to continue
the adventure. Now it's time for girls jumping on trimbapolins.
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