The Fantastic Four: First Steps

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Directed by Matt Shakman and starring Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby, Ebon Moss-Bachrach & Joseph Quinn - Forced to balance their roles as heroes with the strength of their family bond, the Fantastic Four must defend Earth from a ravenous space god called Galactus and his enigmatic Herald, Silver Surfer.


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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mac.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
Maybe the most important thing that came from our viewing
of this upcoming movie topic when we watch the movie.
Before the movie, we took a photo, a famous photo
that has gone viral several times over on social media.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, it is us posing in front of a like
a fantastic four walkway type of thing. It's a background,
a backdrop, a backdrop, if you will, A technical mac
over here. And we both went to put up four fingers,
And what I realized is I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
There's something wrong with your thumb dexterity that you are
not able to tuck your thumb like most normal people.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
When I tuck my thumb, my index finger goes with it.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Those of you who are visual learners and can't quite
picture what we're talking about and can't watch the video,
think of the Inglorious Bastard's Basement scene when he puts
our three fingers for three glasses. Now do that with
four goo can't tuck his thumb into his hand, and
it's it's weird. It's very weird.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
And when I do, my index finger follows.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, I don't know, maybe that's your body saying no, noah,
we can do three shots not four.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
This is a callback to the last news dump. If
when I go in for my physical, is the doctor
gonna ask me to put up four fingers?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Maybe? Maybe? Now, I don't know. This is this is unprecedented.
I've never seen anyone have such an issue with their thumbs.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
One good, three, yeah, chop three. King of Queen Mill Street.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Entertained do And I'm Mac.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
And we are the Mac and Goo program here to
bring you family.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I was gonna go with Fantastic friendship.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh, that's good alliteration. I'm going more furious.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Okay too, Fantastic two to four? That's right. Today we
are discussing the Fantastic four first steps. This now is
the fourth attempt at a successful Fantastic four movie. The
first three not very good, the third one, in particular,
all time bad. The first two were mid two thousand

(02:22):
sort of camp that you know, didn't work then, but
weren't as bad then as maybe we look back upon.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Now, Mac, do you think that because we've already gotten
some failed Fantastic four that is alliteration with another word
at the beginning there?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Do you think because we've already gotten some bad movies
with these characters? People are gonna go into this one
with lower expectations.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
There's some of that, but on the flip side, you
can say that we've waited so long for a good
one and we're finally due for a good one. That
people may be coming in with high expectations. On a
personal level, I've been anticipating the Fantastic four into the
MCU for quite some time now, and there is a
little bit of that too. They're already zero for three,

(03:10):
so we're due for a hit, right, So I was
expecting maybe an extra base hit, a double here goo,
and I think I think they hit a home run.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Wow, that is a good little tease. My teas is
I don't think I would call this my favorite movie
of the year, but I think it does exactly what
it needs to.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
It not only works as an origin for our four
maybe five characters, it also works as a good launch
pad for the.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Next steps launch pad MCQUE first.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Steps are second steps into the MCU into Phase six.
I really like what this movie did. It is uh man,
I think it exceeded my expectations. I went in with
moderately high expectations and I think it exceeded it well.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
So two things, Number one actually a couple of things.
It's esthetically pleasing. I think it does the same thing
that Superman does. And we're gonna compare those movies a
little bit here, but they're completely different movies. But that
is gonna happen. It jumps right into the story. It's colorful,
it's bright. You can see everything that's happening in this movie.
That's a great thing too. And like both movies, they

(04:19):
leave you wanting more, whether it be at the end
where you want more story or at the beginning, Like
I was sitting back in the middle of this being
like I kind of want some of those earlier adventures.
They do a good job of introducing the characters. You
don't need them getting their powers again, but they kind
of teased a couple like it's kind of like in
The Incredibles, where there's like newspaper headlines of like this happen,

(04:42):
this happen. I'm like, I kind of want to see
those little adventures.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, I get that. And we did discuss that a
little bit more during our Superman review. And not only
are we gonna bring up Superman because it came out
just two weeks ago, two weeks prior to this, and
it's also a massive tent pole comic book movie also
because it has a very similar formula in that Superman

(05:06):
we jump in in year three. These Fantastic Four we
jump in year four, so it has a little bit
of that same formula where we don't necessarily get a
true origin story, we get a partial when we get
some flashbacks. And I think in both instances it worked
really well. In this instance with the Fantastic Four, I
think it lands a little bit better because the emotional

(05:28):
moments in this movie are propped up by something else
Whereas in Superman, I felt like the emotional moments fell
a little flatter because it needed a little bit more
background because it lacks what this movie has.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Do you think it's a bit of one upsman that
they went four years beyond the origin in this and
Superman was only three.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
That's right. They actually in the last two weeks they
changed everything. It was two, they doubled it to four.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
So spoiler free. But is there nothing that a Pedro
Pascal character won't do to protect their child?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
It seems like that is his primary goal in all
digital media these days.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
I'm like, first off, he's in everything I have no
problem with that. By the way, that seems to be
the new scuttle butt online. He has taken over everyone
attacked Chris Pratt with that for a while, but now
Pedro Pascal appears to be the punching bag of He's
in everything, but it is. It does seem like fifty
percent of the time he is protecting a child that
isn't even always his.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, it's a very interesting dynamic, specifically for Pedro Pascal.
I'll tell you in this movie, I think he really
nailed the Okay, I'm an expecting father, I have fatherly duties,
but more so the overarching stuff, like there's a little
bit of a Tony Stark thing to him where he's
trying to build this suit of armor around the Earth.
It's a very similar character quality that they both possess.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I also love the fact that even prior to the child,
by the way, they jump right into it with that story,
which is great because this movie is under two hours
and they don't really waste any time. A pretty simple
story too, which I think they're trying to get back
to a bit of that multiverse stuff does not matter.
There is no homework needed. This is a you could
be just a one off, very simple. You haven't seen

(07:15):
any other Marvel movie, doesn't matter watch this.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, that's probably the best thing about this movie. Clearly
this is gonna have massive ramifications and be connected to
a lot of stuff in our MCU going forward, but
as it exists in a vacuum, this movie is tremendous.
It works really well without any connections, and I really
really enjoyed that. And it's something that a lot of
these movies in Phase five tried to do, and not

(07:40):
many succeed at least to the level of this movie.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Also, you get into someone that is already an overthinker,
someone who already thinks of the worst case scenarios when
it comes to every part of their life, whether it
be saving the world or just being the smartest.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Man and save the cheerleader, save the world.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Exactly as soon as you now add the DIY dynamic
of him either a soon to be father or a
father into it, his mind goes into overdrive.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, it's it's a perfect little push off for for
the plot of this movie. Good. The Fantastic Four First
Steps is our thirty seventh MCU movie and now finally
our fiftieth mcu entry. Overall, Are you sure I am
not counting what if I am not counting your friendly
neighborhood spider Man.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Unless we need to count those, We'll figure it out after.
If we need to, then we will.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
We finally crossed the threshold into a half century here. Reportedly,
the budget of this movie is two hundred million plus
no firm number, so maybe two fifty, maybe to eighty.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Maybe be a billion, we don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
It is aiming for a one hundred to one hundred
and ten million dollars domestic open I think what you
might see, like what happened with Superman, which was aiming
for the same range. The positive spin and the positive
reviews might drive that up into the ten million and
get to maybe what Superman got to at one hundred
and twenty two million, But it is tracking a little

(09:04):
less than what Superman got.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
I do question because after watching Superman and after watching this,
is this movie as kid friendly as a Superman? Because
not as I mean, there's some cool visuals in this movie,
but they don't use their power as a ton and
it has more to do with the relationship between the
four more than having to battle a big bad guy.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, I think the primary difference between the two, and
this is what I talk to you a bit when
we first left the theater about. I think this movie
totally is definitely more serious than Superman for the most part.
Superman's most serious stuff is on this level. But what
Superman does is establish a lot of fun characters and
has more fun scenes, and I think really does a

(09:51):
good job, does a better job being a launch pad
for the DCU than it does being an isolated movie.
This movie is not the od opposite, but does a
better job I think being a better movie in a
vacuum and does give us five or six really great characters.
But I wouldn't say I'm as excited for the future

(10:13):
of these characters as I am for the future of
the Superman characters, even though I like this movie more
than Superman.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
So like I think this movie will make a ton
of money and on the outgo like kids will go
to see it. I don't know the repeat viewing slash
the merch that this movie's gonna sell to children that
are watching it compared to Superman. Like I think that
Thunderbolts slash Avengers with an asterisk. I don't know what
you want to call it anymore. I really like that movie,

(10:42):
but I understand why that would not make a lot
of money because you're kind of aging certain people out.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yep. And also Superman has a fun super dog and
neither this or all.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
My son talks about his crypto and he hates dogs, dude.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
The Fantastic Four First Steps is a PG thirteen action
adventure in sci fi with sub genres of space sci
fi and superhero And I'll just say one of my
favorite moments is the space sci fi stuff, and we
jump into it super early. I loved that aspect of
this movie.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Do you think this is the best space sci fi
that we've gotten in Marvel so far?

Speaker 1 (11:20):
So you have a fantastic moment in the Marvels, right,
especially in the conclusion of the Marvels, that is pretty cool.
But I think what this does in space was fucking great.
And even if you think to endgame when Kathain Marvel
goes and picks up Tony Stark and uh, what's her face?
Nebula in the middle of No.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
One, that's just a good scene. That isn't really like,
that's not really fun space stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Well, that's what I mean. This is the first time
we got a space, we got thor space. You have guardians,
other space guardians, so maybe since guardians, this is the
most fun.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Spinnity War had some stuff in space, but.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
This also gets to this also does something like you
get a little bit of an Interstellar scene moment here, right,
So that was really cool. The space sci fi stuff
of this movie was really.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Cool because I think that space sci fi stuff, it's
up there, maybe the best at Marvel's given superhero stuff.
Middle of the pack.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Sure, yeah yeah, but as a story in and of itself,
story one of the better, it's one of the better.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Containing story, very very good.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah. Goo. This has a run time of one hundred
and fifteen minutes five minutes, less than two hours. The
pacing is great in this movie. It does not miss
a beat in the quote unquote down moments. The emotional
moments are done so well by Vanessa Kirby and Pedro
Pascal that it feels that doesn't feel.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
So Vanessa Kirby is fantastic in this movie. Let's just
start using that adjective over and over again.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Goo early returns here on Rotten and Tomatoes eighty eight
percent from the critics, one hundred and sixty four reviews,
that would place in a tie for fourteenth amongst MCU movies,
tied with Thunderbolts actually eighty eight percent ant. Man in
the wasps fifteenth at eighty seven percent, so somewhere in
that middle range, maybe high middle. On Metacritic, this has

(13:13):
a sixty five, which, honestly, after seeing this movie, I
think is too low. That's on forty six reviews. That
ranks twenty second in the MCU, and that's just below
First Avenger and Ultron. This movie's better than both.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
And if there's fifty movies that's midley.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Seven thirty seven movies, No, what have I done? It
is just above Captain Marvel, Ant Man and Guardians three
at sixty four. That just feels too low. And especially
what we're going to really talk about and have already
talked about already as an isolated movie in a vacuum,
as its own story, this stands up better than most
Marvel stuff we've gotten over the last five, six, seven,

(13:51):
eight years. It actually feels a lot more like those
Phase one phase two establishment movies that will be leading
to stuff going forward. And so I'm a little stunned
that this isn't like I would have expected like a
seventy two to seventy three for this movie.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
I don't really know metacritics, so you can move on, dude.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
This movie is written by four writers. Four writers, that's
the most you can give. Josh Friedman, Eric Pearson, Jeff Kaplan,
and Ian Springer. Josh Freeman you would know from War
of the Worlds, The Black Dahlia, one of Goose favorites.
Also some TV stuff, Terminator, The Sarah Chronicles, snow Piercer Foundation,
which is an Apple TV Plus show. He also wrote Terminator,

(14:33):
Dark Fate, Avatar, The Way of Water, and Kingdom of
the Planet of the Apes. So he's had a pretty
successful long career that's to this point. Upcoming. He's the
writer on the fourth Avatar movie. That's not the one
coming out in December, but the one coming out probably
in a decade.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
They showed a trailer for Avatar before the movie, and
we finally found the people that are excited for Avatar.
They got a little spatter of a.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Plus it was the twenty two people in the top
row behind us. Apparently, Yeah, we're stoked.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
I don't like it looks really good. I don't know
why I just I have no interest in Avatar.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Less than zero desire for these movies.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
And what's crazy is that I've been on the Avatar ride,
which is mind blowing, and I still can't get into
these movies.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
H Eric Pearson you would know from Agent Carter. That's
all Ragnarok, god Zillivers Kong, Black Widow, Transformers one, and
also Thunderbolts, So really successful year for Pearson. Upcoming he
is the writer attached to the Blade movie and also
something called Fast and Loose.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Oh, that's the Fast and Furious Footloose crossover that we've
been waiting for.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Gow and then the writing team of Jeff Kaplan and
Ian Springer, you would know them from nothing. They're basically newcomers.
Upcoming for them is something called Disaster Wedding, so if
you're into that, uh, and then also K Pop Lost
in America, So they're newcomers. I'm sure this is gonna
go a long way because this movie the writing's pretty good,
pretty good in this movie goo Strong. So this movie

(16:07):
is directed by Matt Shackman, who we first encountered or
first really new from WandaVision, but Gooy actually has an
extensive television directing career going back to the two thousands,
including forty three episodes of It's Always Sunny. So that's
that's pretty good. This is his first big screen credit, though,
and he fucking knocked it out of the park Goo.

(16:29):
Not to use another baseball analogy, but this was huge
for Shackman making the transition to the big screen.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah. I thought this movie looks great, paced great. They
did a really good job. And they've done this the
last couple movies of They don't just look and feel
like other Marvel movies. It could be off on its own.
This could be a completely different studio making this movie.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yep, yep, it just it looks really good. Upcoming for
him Goo is a television manni series Matt Schackman we're
talking about here called wild Things, and that is gonna
be a based on a true story type of thing
about Sigfried and Roy and it stars Andrew Garfield and
Jude Law. So I am really looking forward to that.
That might be fucking great. Synopsis for the Fantastic Four

(17:20):
first steps. Forced to balance their roles as heroes with
the strength of their family bond, the Fantastic Four must
defend Earth from a ravenous great word Ravenus spakes God
called Galactus and his enigmatic herald Silver Surfer.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
So first off, I would have changed that first word
to forced, but with a four.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
And also when you walk into the theater for this movie,
it feels like you're walking into the olive garden because
when you're there, your family.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
All right. I hated that so mad I laughed. K
This movie stars Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards Mister Fantastic,
Vanessa Kirby as sus Storm, Invisible Woman, Eban Eban Moss
Backrack is Ben Grimm the Thing, Joseph Quinn as Johnny Storm,
Human Torch, Ralph Inison Innocent is Galactus, and Julia Garner

(18:14):
as Shalal Ball, a female version of the Silver Surfer.
We also get Natasha Leone as Rachel Rosman, who I
wonder plays a role going forward. It seemed like they
were intentionally setting her stuff up.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
I really liked her in this.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
She was very good in a subdued role, which is
hard for Natasha Leone to do.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
She slipped right in, especially like she felt like she
was from that era.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah right, it was. It just worked really really well.
Yeah goo, no doubt who's going to be winning our
Plemonade Award. Here is Paul welter Hou as Harvey Elders
slash Mollman. He's on screen for maybe cumulatively four minutes,
and he made me laugh like six times. It's just
it works so well. In a limited role. Sarah Niles

(18:57):
plays The Fantastic Four's chief of staff, Lynn Nichols. Mark
Gaddis is Ted Gilbert, this sixties era talk show host,
and he does it very very well. You have Ada
Scott getting an actual listing here on IMDb as Franklin Richards. Now,
this was a secret for six months a year that

(19:20):
Vanessa Kirby's sus Storm is pregnant, and then in the
last month it's become very clear that Franklin Richards was
going to play a.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Role because the entire movie is about that.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
And then also matthew Wood as Herbie, the Fantastic Fours robot.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Now did they not get Alan Tudick.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Matthew Wood did a good job though, but.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Alan Tudick is the go to robot Goode.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
This movie kicks off the MCU's Phase six and it
is a great fucking table setter. This was the show, Hey,
Otani of Table Setters for Phase six. This really sets
in motion what's gonna happen over the next two Avengers movies,
and a little peak behind the There is two post credits, well,

(20:02):
a mid credit and a post credit, so stay in
the theater for that. The mid credit is much more
meaningful than the post credit. The post credits just tongue in.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Nac stood on his chair and started to cheer and
throw his hands in the air and started swearing at people.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Go. This movie is set on Earth eight to eight.
That is a made up number for Jack Kirby, in
honor of Jack Kirby, one of the creators of the
Fantastic Four along with Stanley, who was born on August
twenty eighth. You have your hand raised.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Everything is made up.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
That's not true.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
That's pretty true.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
That's don't talk to me about that. Gout what I
really liked. And we have sort of been craving this
right since Tony Stark met his demise at the end
of Endgame. We have been waiting for our next real
lead in the MCU, someone to take the mantle and
have Tony Stark like feature. And they did a really

(21:01):
good job establishing reed Richards as that character in this movie.
His motivations are very much like Tony Stark's, but more
in phase two phase three, where he wants to build
this suit or suit of armor around the Earth. And
it's really what his goal is in this movie. And

(21:22):
I think it's very interesting that that'll be in direct
contrast to maybe a Tony Stark variant now as Doctor Doom.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
This movie made me think that if Disney, well see
Disney did not own the rights at the beginning, but
if Marvel had the rights to the Fantastic Four when
they were kicking off the MCU, Reed Richards would have
been what we saw Tony Stark be in the first
three phases.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, you're probably right, because Ironman was a B level
hero in the Fantastic Four have always been leading the
charge in the MCU, So you're right. They probably applied
some of that into what became our Tony Stark, and
obviously it worked out well. But I think that's actually
and astute observation.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Oh it's a mister Fantastic's board of science.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
We talked about this briefly. What makes this movie really
go is that Reid can't escape his own brain, his
own mind, He's constantly coming up with doomsday scenarios, ah,
thinking about worst case scenario situations and how he has
to overcome them or be prepared for them. And so

(22:27):
he's already doing that. And then that combined with Sue's pregnancy,
you know, his child on the way, and that takes
it up to another notch. And that's what really sets
the tone for this movie.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
And one may say that he needed to be a
little more flexible to enjoy life, but also so bouncing
off of that though, is what like brings that up
another notch. Is the way that Sue responds to him,
and Sue can cut through the bullshit of what he's
saying and knows when he's being honest and knows when

(22:59):
he's spiraling out of control.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, their chemistry was palpable, well, the chemistry of all
four of them.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
And like, I'm not the biggest Joseph Quinn fan, and
maybe I went into it with lower expectations. On Johnny Storm,
I thought he was pretty good. I thought that he
was solid. Having said that, the other three were all great,
and I thought that this did a really good job
of not putting too much of a spotlight on the

(23:27):
Sue feeling invisible type of stuff, like she actually is
the face of the organization. She's the public big yead. Yes, Yeah,
she's the one that the public sees and she speaks
to them. So they didn't really focus on that. Also
with the thing, a big focus in those mid Aunt
movies is how he feels like an outsider. You get

(23:48):
a little bit of that.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
A smidge, a smidge, a smidge, And that's where Natasha
Leone scenes were so great because it was just those
two and the two or three conversations they had, I thought, well.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
But also so he doesn't make a big deal about
it with Red because Reid already has that guilt of
what happened to them for so he almost and if
he is feeling it, he's not bringing it up to Reid. Yeah,
he wants Reid to be shielded from that and from
the anger or the sadness that he has for now

(24:21):
being a rock monster.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
And rock lopstar. I think that's one of the nice
things about being able to pick up four years into
them being the Fantastic Four, As if they went through that,
we're past that already and they're already dealing with it
in their own ways and so you don't have to
spend too much time in that realm. And again, like

(24:43):
we said already, that's one of the better things about
this movie. Like what we saw on Superman, we pick
up a few years into this team being superheroes, and
I thought they established the roles amongst the group and
the four really well, and personality traits amongst the four
really well. And what I think separates this from Superman

(25:04):
is the emotional levels and situations in this movie because
of the pregnancy in Franklin, Richards got me there, got
me what I needed, and I think Superman didn't just
didn't quite get there. And that's really the main difference
between that movie and this one for me is the
third act. The emotional highs were much higher for me

(25:24):
in this movie than in Superman.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I would have loved it if Reid was played by
Sheldon that was my main thought in the movie.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Nice yeah, yeah, that would have been real strong casting.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Instead of clobber in time with the other fella Bisiga good.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
The other primary difference between this movie and Superman. And
maybe we can end the.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah no more, this is our last one. We're really
sorry that came out the same month. It's almost it's
as close to being a Barbenheimer type of thing. And
they gave it the two week separation. The studios clearly
made that deal so that Superman could have two week
of IMAX. Fantastic Four probably has two to three weeks
coming up over the summer, and then they'll shift it around.

(26:07):
But like they're gonna be compared to each.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Other, yeah, naturally, and they're both great, they're both really good.
They're both making a gazillion dollars. Yeah, so this final difference,
and I'm not even saying this is better, but a
clear stark contrast in this movie. The big bad is
a gigantic space god named Galactus, and I thought they
did a great job making him truly menacing and bigger

(26:32):
than life, whereas in Superman it's a human being. And
it's just clear different dynamic. And you might prefer Superman
over this, or you might prefer this over that, but
it's very different. I also really liked Silver Surfer and
this as well, So that's just another aspect you mentioned.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Galactis. I agree with you to a point. We'll get
into it and spoil.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yes, Okay, okay, all right, good, let's get into the Nanagon.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Here fun factor. I love the interactions and the family
dynamic of what we have on screen. I could see
someone that goes into it wanting more of the powers,
not having as much fun. But we got NonStop breadsticks.
That's another reference to Olive Garden. By the way.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, this movie is not as fun maybe consistently as as.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Say don't say, don't fucking say it.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
But the funny moments in this movie were really funny,
laugh out loud funny. It got me a handful of times.
So the funds there, the MCU charm is there. The
best MCU movies do what this movie does.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Johnny Hans Malman and Geo Dude had some good laughs.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
And then right at the conclusion of the movie, before
we jump to the credits, there's a great, like forty
five second scene that made me laugh like three different types.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
And that's what I was hoping the sequel would be.
I was like, Ah, we had it, we had it
right there, we decided not to do it. Satisfactor, I'm satisfied.
I'm like, maybe the third act was not my favorite
part of the movie, but I'm satisfied with the overall
what they gave us in the movie.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I'm very satisfied with what we got. I also felt
like there was a little sadest factor in here well
that they did well too in the third act, So
I think maybe that'll be end up being the difference
between I with this movie, the sad part in the
In the climax of this movie, I thought hit pretty well.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Well, Yeah, when you're including a baby, you're gonna get
a couple extra especially parents, young parents of a young child.
You're gonna get that. You also might get some you
might get like extra love from some moms after seeing
this because they're like, fuck yeah, moms, they do everything
type of stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
And truly, Sue ends up being like the group's backbone.
You know. There's a great moment in this movie where
she addresses the general public when they all pretty much
hate the group, and it's a fucking awesome scene because
of Vanessa Kirby borometer.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I think they went through and they trimmed all the fat.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, zilch noon nothing under two hours. It's a breeze.
It's it's it's really really paced.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Well no bore, Yeah, it really is. They start they
introduce they bring in the villains pretty early and then
they the rest of the movie is we have to
do this to avoid this, And I feel like they've
kind of gotten away from that recently and they really
simplified it again. This is I've seen it compared to
some Phase one stuff, and I think it's quality wise

(29:34):
is better than most of the Phase one stuff. I agree,
but I agree storytelling wise, it's pretty similar.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, this basically took that Phase one formula and just
perfected it. Kicked it up a notch. You know, I'm
not talking forty dog level because we're not quite on
that consequence level, but it's like the best version of
those origins.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
I also like the idea, and we saw this with
that other movie that came out, Jurassic World Rebirth, that
at no more origin stories. It is we are gonna
jump in. We're gonna introduce the people. Maybe we'll have
a couple quick blurbs or a quick video, but we're
jumping in like this is the third movie of a trilogy.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah you said that. I don't. I wouldn't go that far.
I think it just does a good job. It basically
cuts out like a first act or maybe a whole
first movie. I wouldn't say third movie.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
To me, it felt like we avoided the origin movie
of them getting their powers and having a little battle,
then maybe a middle battle in the middle, the John
Malkovich battle maybe, and then we get to this third
movie of the trilogy leading into them joining another team
type of thing.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
I get what you're saying, but I think you've taken
it a little too far.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I take everything too far. If I'm not gonna do that,
then I'm not me Halloween. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, it's it's a really good movie. It's in and
there are also gonna be a couple cool re watchable scenes.
I don't think this is gonna wean Wayne much. I
think I think I have it smack dab right where
it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Pants tent City, excite bike Mania. The space stuff really
got me going. I really enjoyed all of their stuff
in space.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
The space stuff is truly great. And then also and
when we broke down Superman, we really harped on the
scene when Lois is interviewing Superman and Clark, and that
the emotional heights and the tension during that scene. This
movie had a lot of that, that good tension in
it had more of it and so like I said,

(31:38):
that scene with Vanessa Kirby sus Storm addressing the world
they were that was great. You have a one or
two great galactus scenes, Like there's a couple pants tents
in this movie, and I wouldn't be surprised if people
prefer some scenes over others.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I also really enjoyed and it wasn't even in a
mean way, but just how dismissive Reid was of Johnny,
and like, we know that exists.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
In their group dynamic and they didn't spend too much
time on it, but Reid can't take Johnny seriously, and
that plays it into this movie as well. There's a
moment where Johnny finally gets taken seriously, you know. And
I don't know if they crushed that part of it,
but it worked.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Water World, It's better than water World.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Foe Show.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
When life gives you Plemons, Jesse Plemmons, he steps in there,
he says a couple lines. You said, I wish this
guy was in more of the movie, but he's not.
He gets killed, put into a ditch, Mac who did
that for you? In this movie?

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Paul Walter Hauser as Harvey Elder aka Moleman is so
fucking good in this movie, and his affinity, his love
for Sue Storm is so apparent. The stuff with Subterraneo
was funny, like, he's so good in this movie, so
so good and such a limited run or such a
limited screen.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Time, Mac, who are you giving credit to?

Speaker 1 (32:54):
I think Shackman deserves credit, the visionaries deserve credit. I
think in this a parent reading some of the early reviews,
I think Vanessa Kirby as Souss Storm really stands unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
She is so.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Good and really, you know, the emotional moments are gonna
be emotional because of pregnancy, a kid, YadA, YadA, but
she really puts it over at the top and sells it.
She's fucking fantastic.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Because not only the way that she you know, talks
with Red, but also with Johnny too, and then her
and the thing don't have as many conversations, but you
can tell his love for her.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah you could. That platonic brotherly sister love that you
know they just earned over the years is so apparent
between them and they just the group dynamic is great,
and it's it's they really, they really nailed it.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
I want to give credit. I know this is your segment,
but I'm gonna step on your feet. I want to
give credit to the studio for really buying into this aesthetic.
So the movie starts out with a different Marvel title card.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, we didn't get.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
The different imax. It's a different credit sequence. They really
bought into like that mid sixties Americana type of I
really love the entire style of this. And then because
you have these amazing scientists, it's a bit of the Jetsons.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, it's a cool aesthetic for sure. They absolutely nailed
that part of it.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
For those of you tarty to the Mac and Goo party,
we rate everything on a forty hot dog rating system.
Mac I loved everything in space. I thought the I
don't want to give away what happens in space, but
there's a pretty good scene of now we'll talk about
it in spoilers. The space stuff is great. I love
the space stuff. I love their fast track through the

(34:42):
origin story. I love getting into Reid's mind and how
he is just he's a warrior. But then once you
introduce a child into it, it's magnified by a million.
It's the family stuff in this. I love how all
four of them you feel the chemistry, you the dynamic,
you feel how much they all love each other. I

(35:03):
love how the spotlight is a lot on Reid, but
so much of it is Sue putting the spotlight on him. Also,
the focus not being Sue doesn't feel seen, she is seen.
She's the face. I love that, the thing you still
feel bad for, but he hides that from Reid because
Reid is still worrying about what he did to the group.

(35:24):
I really love That's the best part of this movie.
It's the carrot. It's the four members of the group
and how they play with each other. The end of it.
The third act is not my favorite. I think that
might be where I fall off a little bit. But
I really love the family. I love the aesthetic. I

(35:45):
love the pacing. Looking at thirty five to thirty six
hot ducks.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Okay, all right, that's fair. I felt like the third
act it was destined to sort of be that because
it is a face. I agree, am ish sort of thing,
so I don't It doesn't bother me the way things
ended up, And honestly like the climax of it featuring Galaxus.
I thought Galactus was fucking cool. The minute or so

(36:12):
after that I can understand people having gripes with but
the emotional moments hit for me. This movie just stands
out for a number of reasons. The group dynamic is one,
the launch pad going forward is too. But it also
finally establishes, and we've been talking about this for legit
years now, who's our leading group. Who's our leading person

(36:33):
going forward in the MCU. Is it Tom Holland Spider Man?
Is it Benedict Cumberback's Doctor Strange? Who is gonna take
that mantle? I think this movie we finally have that
we have our our leading horses in the race. Here.
We have Sue, we have Read, we have Johnny, we
have Ben that will be sort of leading the charge
in the MCU going forward. And I think that establishes

(36:56):
that group so well on an Iron Man level, even
better maybe than that movie did it. And I don't know,
that's really hard to do. Thirty seven movies in to
impress me, impress viewers.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
You are so easily impressed, get out of my face.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Thirty seven movies in to like re establish something is
I think very impressive. Goo. I have this at thirty
seven Hot Dogs and coming out of it, I was like,
is this the best movie ever the year. I don't
think it is. I think I have it at number three,
but it's in the conference, so so number one for me,
not heading shoulders above, but maybe ahead above everything else.

(37:33):
It's still twenty eight years later, I think that movie
exists on a tier just above this. Friendship and Sinners
I think are all in a battle for number two
on the year. It's just it's truly, truly a great
movie and good to the point where I was reevaluating
reevaluating MCU ranking. So I have this eighth in the MCU,

(37:54):
behind Winter Soldier, just ahead of Deadpool and Wolverine. I
like this more than Deadpool and Wolverine as well, but
that's the type of movie we're talking about. At least
for me, it's a top ten MCU movie, and I'm
fucking I'm in love with everything they did in this movie.
Of course, because it's the first time we're seeing these characters,
it was tough to really achieve an ending on the

(38:16):
level of maybe the MCU's best, but they did about
as good of a job as they could have, and
I'm so excited as the MCU backgo Thunderbolts in this
is the mcu back.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Well, so you mentioned Thunderbolts, I would have it. I
think they're both pretty similar in quality. I think this
might have a better look to it, but I had
more fun with Thunderbolts, so like I have it right
around that fourteen area with Thunderbolts just below Guardians three.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Okay, I gave Thunderbolts thirty five. I have it at seventeen,
So I do think this is definitively better, but I
would be I wouldn't be upset with someone talking about
the jive turkey stuff you're talking about here.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
And then I am a jive turkey very quickly. Though,
before we get to spoilers, do you think that John
Krasinsky could have played Reed Richards in this movie?

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yes, and the simple answer is a quiet place. He
does it in a quiet place. My addendum to that,
my secondary answer is I think I preferred what we
got from Pedro Pascal over the potential Krazinsky character. I
think it would have worked with both, though I just
think Pascal probably a little bit higher of a ceiling.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
I feel like Krasensky would have stared into the camera more.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
But what we desired from this read Richards is that
fatherly thing, right, and we did get that in a
quiet place, so Krazinsky could have done.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
It, I mean, but also Pascal, like no one is
the father saving their child more than him. That's just
it's what he is, it's what he does. But also
Sue Storm Vanessa Kirby is a big reason why Pascal
is so good in this movie.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
So no, I totally agree. The chemistry was again palpable.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Shall we spoil spileless spiles? Can I get into really quick?
My just not issue with the end, Okay, And maybe
it's just because, like so in a vacuum as a
one movie off, like it's not a big deal. But
moving forward, the invisible Woman can ope. God's kind of

(40:23):
like she can out power like this, so her strength
is a little all over the place. That's I'm kind
of curious about that. Also, false death, I hate false deaths.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Fucking kill her Gil I wouldn't call her op because
for her just to shove a space God that killed her,
so she died.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
But also space because she's so she's capable.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Of it, but she's it's like a beastinging you. All Right,
they did it, but now they're dead, So who got
the last left.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
She's not fucking Macaulay Culkin, so I I would I.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Would hesitate a little bit on the criticism there because
she died. I'm just saying, like the third act was
she went up and beyond to save her son in
the world.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Right, because when a child's about to be hit by
a car, a mother can stand in front of the
car and pick up the car.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
There you go, there you go. I also, when Franklin
brings her back, she has this little bit of a
purple glow in her eyes that were not unlike Eternity.
So I'm curious now if she has seen some future stuff.
Did she see some stuff of Franklin's future, because she
was pretty sure of Franklin anyways, But now in a

(41:30):
few minutes we get after that climax, She's like, really
sure Franklin's destined for something, So I think she has
some future knowledge now. But I loved that she went
super sayan there, super say on. She pushes Galactus through
the portal to save her son, to save the world,
save the cheerleader, save the world, And it just was

(41:51):
a really really great moment for the mother to do it,
the mother to be the hero, not a damsel in distress.
I thought that was no.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I agree, but it also the other three couldn't do
shit against him, which now just shows that, you know,
it's kind of like Superman with the Justice League, he
doesn't really need them.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Well, yeah, I think in her, in her, you know,
phoenix form her most powerful form, for lack of a
better term. She can do unbelievable shit because she can
bend light or whatever the fuck she can do, and
so I think that's sort of limitless. But you saw
she pushes it too far and she fucking died.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
That gets into my other thought of a couple episodes ago.
You said that you would not want the power of
fire manipulation. You saw in this movie. You'd be the
fucking coolest firefighter ever. You saw that, right, Yeah, but
you know, but you need air.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
He couldn't even go in space.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, but the other firefighters all cheered for him. Has
that ever happened to you?

Speaker 1 (42:44):
I don't know if it has, you'll have to pull
the firehouse go. Another great moment in this movie, a
movie not full of great moments, but has several. Sue's
speech to the to the world about not abandoning Franklin
for them, but not abandoning them for Franklin was a
great moment. Love that be a great great moment. I

(43:05):
also liked at the end there when Glactus pulls back through,
Johnny was ready to make the sacrifice at the end too,
and that was really cool for his character.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
I was also hoping that he would and that would
lead to him ending up in the Spider Man movie.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, somehow I end up in our universe.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
So, like, I thought the Silver Surfer stuff was good.
I thought she looked amazing. I thought the battles were
really cool. I thought the motivations were a little simple,
but you only had so much time. You couldn't put
any more time into that character if you wanted to
keep it around two hours.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, so I think the weakest part of this movie
and why it's at thirty seven and maybe not thirty
eight thirty nine. The Johnny Storm character I thought was
just good, not great compared to the other ones that
were great and then shallabal Silver Surfer was good, but
the flashback emotional motivation stuff was just okay. It didn't
necessarily hit for me, but it was sort of necessary

(44:03):
to because you'd have to go five minutes into that
backstory instead of thirty seconds. And plus you know Johnny
figuring out the language that was just okay too, So
that part of the it wasn't great, but it does,
you know, do its job to have Shalli Ball make
that sacrifice and push Galactus through the portal too, and
she's also through there, and we don't know where that's

(44:23):
gonna end up. Maybe they are in six two six.
I don't know where that's gonna be, because I thought
that this the end of this movie or the mid
and post credit might tie into the Thunderbolts post credit
that has uh, the Fantastic four ship coming towards six
two six. So that's unexplained and unconnected. So I wonder
if Galactus is now in the six two six.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Now, I think it's just so the start of the
next movie, it'll then start with them, you know, going
to that area I did. I was hoping that there
would be a scene where it it cut off with
Johnny and the Silver Surfer staring at each other, and
then it cuts to the of Johnny going into like
the building and he has silver all around his mouth.

(45:06):
It doesn't tell us what he did.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, but uh, and then obviously we touched upon it
real quick. But Franklin Richards brings his mother Sue's storm back,
gives her life again. And if you don't know who
Franklin Richards is, he's basically like the most powerful person
in Marvel comics. And a lot of what they do
with Franklin Richards in Marvel Comics is like Sue and

(45:29):
re guiding him so that he uses his power for good.
But he's capable of like just about anything. So I'm
really curious as to how that plays into the MCU
going forward. But immediately Goo in the mid credit, we
see it's gonna matter in Doomsday.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, this is pretty great.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Robert Downey Junior, we don't see him him, we see
just the green cloak and the mask off. Yeah, interacting
with Franklin Richards and Goo. I thought it was important
here Franklin's not scared and basically recognizes him, which implies
that they've had an interaction. Yeah, so something like that.

(46:09):
And so Franklin is aware of Doctor Doom, or at
least the face of Doctor Doom. And I thought that
was pretty cool, small scene that says so much more
than what it actually does.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Also, while Sue was addressing all of the nations. It
does cut past a little placard of Latvaria that's now
no one is sitting at Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
They did not participate in the world stuff. And so
now I'm curious where Doom was during this whole thing,
and how it seems like this Doom is attached to
this Fantastic Four and is also going to be our
Doom in Doom's day. So that was a cool little
pop in the theater for sure. And then our post
credit was just a flashback that's a homage to the

(46:51):
nineteen sixty seven Fantastic Four cartoon, which was fine Coot,
let's run through a little bit of the timeline here
and just you pick stuff off here and there. So
this movie, a big part of what plays into it
is Reid has invented a teleportation technology, but it's in
its infancy. It hasn't really been proven yet, but it
can potentially teleport things through time and space and maybe universes.

(47:14):
And we do know that canonically Reid has that technology.
We saw in Multiverse of Madness with the little portal stuff,
and even before Silver Surfer arrives in this movie, we
saw Reed's manic tendencies, and they're heightened because of the pregnancy.
Fantastic Four has been Earth's mighty as heroes for four years,
and they're pretty much like the only heroes on this Earth.

(47:34):
They haven't had much competition to the point where they're
now celebrities and they can still have their own everyday lives,
and Reid is creating I will say things.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
They don't tell us if the Beatles exist in this universe,
because they're pretty much the Beatles.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
That's a good point. Good point. We jump right into
the pregnancy and the dynamic amongst the four, and just
as Reid gets over talking about how he's designed tech
and stuff to police their immediate area to protect Franklin,
Silver Surfer comes from the heavens and tells the world
their days are numbered, and that was a pretty cool scene.
And then we get Johnny chasing after her into space

(48:08):
where she mutters something that plays a part in this movie,
which puts Johnny on this path to figure out what
she said and to decipher the language. Reid has this
sort of tracking technology that can track Silver Surfer's mark,
and they find out every planet she's been to has
been absolutely demolished, so They're like, we got to go
confront Silver Surfer and Galactus in space. They use that

(48:29):
technology to track her and Galactus to this planet that's
light years away, and this is where we enter it
to a really cool moment. Very early on in this movie.
They travel at light speed to another planet, another galaxy
and come into Silver Surfer and Galactus nice and it's
it's a really cool scene. It's a somewhat scary, spooky scene.

(48:52):
Galactus asks them to give up Franklin because he has
this you know, space god knowledge that Franklin's gonna be someone.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Reach and try and take the baby right out.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
That was crazy.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
This is my entire pants tent, my entire excite bike
mania of everything that is on that planet. And then
the chase back to Earth while they're trying to lose
the Silver Surfer, so Johnny is trying to bend the
blaster to hit her while the thing is driving and
Sue is giving birth.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, great fucking scene. Pants ten scene.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
That's my favorite part. I was trying to think of
what I was allowed to say and spoiler for him, like, no,
none of that. Also, I also loved when her pants
flew off. You like that part because the entire I'm like,
what are they gonna take her pants off? You can't
give birth with pants on.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Also, I think Galactus induces labor, right, He's like, all right,
you won't give me Franklin, We'll take him right now,
you know? Like that that was It shows how all
being powerful he is.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
But it also shows how powerful and important she is
that they had to take her on this mission when
she is at least eight and a half monthsgnant nine
months pregnant, right.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yeah, she was necessary, and so it leads to Surfer
almost grabbing the baby they take off, and this shows
how powerful Surfer is. Although she got her powers from Galactus,
she can travel at light speed. She keeps up with them,
and so the only way rethinks to get away from
it is to utilize this black hole, which distorts time.

(50:24):
And so it's a really amazing scene of Zooe giving birth,
them using the black hole to suck in Surfer, and
because of the time distortion, she'll get stuck, and they
use the black hole to slingshot back to Earth and
because of the time distortion, what feels like maybe would
have been two or three hours and their time ends
up being thirty days. They're in space for thirty days,

(50:45):
so you get a little bit of that interstellar thing.
The black hole look cool as a data and interstellar.
When we arrive back on Earth, the world is fucking
furious because they didn't give up the baby.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I like that Read told him what they had to do.
They didn't lie about it. He's like, look like, they
did give us this option, give them the baby and
they'll leave us alone. But you guys understand you don't
want us to do that. And everyone's like, what the
fuck are you talking about? Give up the baby. Also,
I really liked the origin scene of Silver Surfer getting

(51:17):
her powers and Galactus giving it to her. He handed
her a nice Caprice son and it turned her into
that silver ooze.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
He had just finished watching Alex Max, so that's where
he got that idea. We get back on Earth, Johnny
starts trying to decipher Surfers language. There's that whole thing,
and then now Reid needs to come up with a
solution to get away or avoid Galactus. What he figures
out is to use his little egg teleporter make it global,
and they need the effort of the entire planet to

(51:47):
make this work.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
But this is also after running the Math and figuring
out that the best way to do this is just
to give up their son, and he doesn't want to
say it. Yeah, that's it was like, seems like you
thought it.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Yeah, yeah, which is a great, great moment if.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
You're running the math. This is the best, this is
the easiest way to do it.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
It was a perfect tension builder between those characters. It
worked really well. And so what he comes up with
is he's going to use this teleportation technology and move
the Earth to a place in space and time that
is like ninety eight percent similar to where they are currently,
and that takes a whole coordinated effort from every country
across the globe, including you know, power shutdowns across the

(52:28):
globe to build these stem looking things.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
The Silver Surfer is, she destroys all these Yeah. I
thought that before the Silver Surfer or Glactus got there,
that Lotvaria might play a role.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
I thought that was going to happen too. Yeah, and
they wouldn't building their stem thing or something. Yeah, yeah,
I thought for sure that was going to happen. So
it didn't. They build them all. They're like eight seconds
away from teleporting and Silver Surfer smashes all this.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Also in that scene where read is like, maybe we
should give up the baby. I thought of that SNL
sketch where Will Ferrell lost the couple's baby and they
called in doctor Poop to do the robot, and then
at the end of the sketch when they couldn't find
the baby, Chris Parnell's like, let's just go make another one.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
The last Stem teleportation thing left is in New York
City in front of the Backs Building Times Square, I
should say, but she's there. She's going after Franklin the
Stem thingies. And this is where Johnny steps in with
his deciphered messages and realizes that all these messages they've
been getting is Shalla Ball's world, thanking her for saving
their planet. So he plays this. She gets emotional. We

(53:40):
learn that she volunteered to be Glacus's Herald in order
to save her world, not unlike what the Fantastic Four
trying to do to save their world. And then all
those messages were thank you, and then he flips it.
He plays other messages from other worlds that have been
destroyed that are all screams. She can't handle it. She leaves,
sort of removes herself from the equation, and right after

(54:01):
that we get a super cool scene of Galactus like
jumping out of his ship onto Earth into the water
and we see how fucking large he really.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
And he yells it, ladies and gentlemen, may please have
your attention. Can also before Johnny goes to sacrifice himself
and he says, you know, tell Franklin that sacrifice. Tell
Franklin that Uncle Johnny loves him. John also, while in space,
offers himself up too of like you can like leave

(54:30):
the kid, take me, and they're like you you suck,
You're just a fire dude. I don't want you. You
can't eat planets.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
She also has a pretty good line of like that's
not your sacrifice to me or it's like you're not
you don't even have that option. So, now that their
stem things are broke, the new plan involves using Franklin
as bait to lwer Galactus to the center of the
city and then teleport him away to another place in
time or another place in space, but they only have
a thirty second thirty seven second window to do it.

(54:58):
Of course, Galactus is too smart, catches on, figures it out,
goes to the Baxter Building and just fucking he yanks
Franklin out of the Baxter Building and this is where
Sue goes super sayan and pushes Galactys across the city
into the portal and sacrifices herself. She dies because of
the effort, but in the meantime while she does this,

(55:20):
Reid is able to save Franklin, and then salad Ball
pushes Galactys back through when he reaches through. And I
think that's a pretty cool scene. It's not the coolest
thing we've ever seen, but in terms of like this
level of movie, not Avengers level, it's pretty fucking cool.
It's pretty great.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
And I did think that, like for a second, that
she might be dead, and I'm like, hmm, next movie.
Three men in a Baby, I like that. And then
she's brought back to life.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
It is an emotional moment, though, and it does hit
when the team is morning Sue, and then Reid puts
a cry in Franklin Richard's on Sue's chest and then
after a few seconds, Sue's eyes light up with that
purple glow and that eternity like imagery and she comes
back to life. So once again I am curious if
she now has some future site because of Franklin. But

(56:05):
we now know, and they now know, Franklin truly is special,
and so that is really gonna be their goal, protecting
Franklin and fostering Franklin going forward, which is why the
mid credit scene of Doom arriving for Franklin, not for them,
for Franklin is so important. And then the final scene
in the movie is the car seat hijinks, the three

(56:27):
men trying to figure out the car seat. It made
me laugh like three different times.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Which, okay, it was so good. I point out a
lot how much I hate putting stickers on toys. Yeah, no, no, no,
putting car seats, strapping them in properly. That's the worst
part of being a parent.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah, and then sometimes getting them out is even harder
than putting them.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Actually, you're you're a firefighter. I'm allowed to bring it
to the fire station and you guys have to do
it right.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
We have a designated guy that has taken a course
to do it.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
So does it take three people or no?

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Just him? Apparently, but I've never watched them.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
It is a bastard. Because you need to thread the needle.
You got to pull it out the other side, you
need to make sure that things are tight. On one side,
you gotta find the clips.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
It killed me.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Not all car seats are created equal.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Yeah, and not all cars have the right attachments, like
the newer ones are better. But it's it's it was
a perfect scene. Thirty seven Hot Dog, second best, maybe
fourth best. Somewhere's two to four range on the air,
my number eight MCU movie.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
It also met the expectations, my high end expectations of
what I said in the last news dump of giving
us something different in the way that we've been getting
the last couple movies.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
It's also interesting to think we have flipped these. I'm
thirty seven on this, thirty five thirty six on Superman,
and you're the opposite. You were thirty seven I think
on Superman thirty seven or thirty eight, something like that,
and thirty five thirty six on this.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
I'm curious on a rewatch because yes I saw Superman twice.
Brag whoa on rewatch? What I like this? More or less,
Let's get into Max Sack and Mac Zac. Could be anything.
It could be about Mac What do you got in

(58:15):
that sack of yours?

Speaker 1 (58:16):
So this movie kicked off phase six, But what's next?
Right natural? You look forward to what's going on moving
forward immediately the very next thing, And I'm not even
really gonna count this. I'm gonna put this in the
what if thing. Eyes of Wakanda, the animated series is
coming out August sixth, but I think it's going to
be four one off episodes diving into some of Wakanda's past.

(58:40):
I'm just not really gonna include in the MC. It'll
be a nice peripherary thing. Apparently Marvel Zombies is still
on the horizon. That can suck my Dick. I'm not
looking forward.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
I actually changed it. Can you say what I wrote? Instead?

Speaker 1 (58:51):
You put sick my dick, which is not even.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
It says sick my duck. Oh okay, Because you know,
we're trying to become a well little more lead to
a wider audiences. We as we try and become rotten
tomatoes people, I want you to tone it down a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I think suck my Dick is more relatable.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
S my d No, No, it's kind of like it's
kind of like Woody Page. We talked about his thoughts.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Briefly in our Ironheart review. Wonder Man is set to
debut in December on Disney Plus. I am cautiously optimistic
after Thunderbolts, after this and after Ironheart, I'm kind of
looking forward to wonder Man. That's not we won't talk
about Brave New World, but wonder Man is in December,
and then Go next year, We're set for two movies,

(59:35):
Spider Man Brand New Day in July of twenty twenty
six and then the big one, Avengers Doomsday in December
of twenty twenty six, And I'm curious as to what
it feels like we're gonna need or gonna get another
show that will sort of round out or lead into
doomsday type of stuff. Because Brand New Day will re

(59:55):
establish Peter Parker Spider Man, maybe connect to some broader stuff.
But if we're just jumping into doomsday with this and
then Spider Man, there's gonna be some missing pieces.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
They've had how many years since Endgame to lead into Doomsday,
And You're like, they've had fun, They've had like twenty
movies since then, but I also they need something more
they've had time to lead into Doomsday.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
I'm also curious if the first two acts of Doomsday
is really setting up secret Wars and the like. I
think we're gonna get a lot of Doom background, and
Doom's gonna be the main character of that movie, the
way Thanos became in the the two Avengers movies with Thanos.
So I'm curious about that very much. So. And then

(01:00:38):
in December of twenty twenty seven we get Secret Wars
a year after Doomsday. We also have Punisher on the Horizon.
I think we're gonna end up getting that right before
right after Brand New Day, because he's gonna be in
that movie, so I think. And also that's just gonna
be like an hour long feature, so that'll be interesting.
We also have Vision Quests. I wonder if Vision Quest
comes out between now and Doomsday and maybe ties up

(01:01:01):
some loose ends. So nothing nothing else is really definitive though,
so it's it's pretty wide over.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
You know what I would like from Vision Quest now
is him trying to get Wanda back, and you know
what he could do talk to me fisto.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
But can a cyborg make a deal with the devil?
That's my question.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I feel like, So he's dead, I think, but he
I think he has a soul because of his love
for Wanda.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Yeah, and also White Vision. Well, White Vision for sure
has no soul, so I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Know does he develop it. I just want Mefisto back.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
I want Mephisto. And I'm not saying that what we
got from him was bad in Ironheart, but I want
him in a different setting. It was great and I
thought it was very good, and I thought it saved
the series. I would I want to see him with
other magic beings.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
I agree with that, but it was great what we got.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
I would like more.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
I agree, give us, give us ghost writer.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
We are agreeing on everything right now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Agree to agree.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
It's what makes us the same, that makes us great,
but all so different that makes us great. All right, Mac,
Where can the people find us?

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Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Depublic dot com. When's the next episode of Max Packs?

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Until I pull something good again? So I don't have
anything really?

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Ow? Do you record them all? And then you you're
like you've kind of filter the ones that you want
to put out? Yeah, how many have you recorded? Because
you've only published one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
I probably record about seventy five percent of the packs
that I open.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Okay, is it called max Packs.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
It's actually not bad. It's not bad. I'm only gonna
post the ones that have huge hits.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
So Tuesdays for Tuesdays, I abuse Kangaroos, Dam Barton Bye.
Please flip the cassette over to side B to continue
the adventure. Now it's time for girls jumping on trampopalines.