October 7, 2025 • 40 mins
It was two years ago today that the terror attacks against Israelis occurred in which Hamas and other militant groups killed around 1,200 people and took 251 hostages. Today, peace talks continue between the two warring groups with President Trump’s Administration facilitating. We are now past the original 72-hour deadline that Trump gave Hamas to accept the deal…Will we see an agreement reached anytime soon as Hamas appears to be stalling?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night's Eyes with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's
News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you, Dan Watkins, come back for the Yankees tonight.
We'll have to see you tomorrow night. I suspect they
will have the phenom from Walpole, Massachusetts, Cam schlicker slicker pitch.
See if he can duplicate his performance, be pretty tough.
He was fabulous against the Red Sox. All Right, we're
talking about what's going on in the Middle East tonight.
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Dawn is close to breaking over there, and maybe it's
the dawn of a new day. It will be October
the eighth, and maybe that's the day in which in
a final peace agreement might be might be hammered out.
Jeff Robbins was not optimistic. He gave it a probably
a less than ten percent chance. I would probably give
it a little bit more of a chance, but not
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much more than twenty or twenty five percent. I'd love
to know what you think. This is such an important time.
I mean, from the point of view of the United States.
We have been on the right side here from you know,
so we're so often criticized by the left in this country,
but we're on the right side of this fight. In Israel.
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Hamas are killers. They are the spawn of of Hitler's
Germany philosophically, and they hate Jews because they're Jews. As
simple as that, simple as that. And it's you heard
the emotional comments by Jamie and Sarah last hour, obviously,
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but it's important for those of us who are of
a different faith or of no faith to support Israel.
It is our one true friend in the Middle East.
It is the one democracy in the Middle East. Democrats
talk a lot about the democracy and democracy dies in darkness. Well,
there was nothing but darkness on that morning on October seventh,
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twenty twenty three. And hopefully the dark will give way
to light. I pray, and I hope, and I and
what I said about the Catholic Church, Aman, there may
be churches where there have been statements in support of Israel. Uh.
No one is in supportive killing people. But Israel has
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every right to defend themselves. And I do know that.
You know, Palestinians are Christian, uh, And so they may
be an affinity towards Christians, but you when you see
what Hamas did, I'm sure those Hamas fighters would describe
themselves as Christians as well. We need all religions in America,
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whether they Evangelical, Protestant, mainstream, mainline Republic, mainline Protestant, whether
they're Mormon, whether you're an atheist or an agnostic, you
need to be supportive of Israel in my mind. So
let's go to the calls. We're going to go next,
up to Joe is in Western Joe, appreciate your calling
your next One Night Sager.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Right ahead, Hi, Dan, I really want to thank you
for having this topic on tonight on the second anniversary.
I was originally going to my topic I wanted to.
I want to talk to you about is predictions for
the future, which you and Jeff were discussing. Butfore I
get to that, I just like to highlight and mention
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the trauma our entire Jewish community was traumatized and has
been continually traumatized the last two years. But progressive Jews
like Sarah have a further level of trauma that I
think needs to be recognized.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
They I.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Was a former I'm former head coach chairman of the
Newland Friends of the IDF. I am a strong supporter
of the IDF. And you could call it conservative, did
call it right wing. I don't care what your call,
but on the opposite of what we would call progressive
jew who possibly thought that peace was possible, and the
people living in the community surrounding Godza thought that peace
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was with gods was possible, and people like Sarah. The
double trauma for people like Sarah is that not only
were Jews slaughtered, but their progressive community, non Jewish possible
as well as some Jews deserted them. I talk to
people across the country who who are from that that
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that political and social persuasion and it and I think
that trauma for for folks that have been abandoned by
their fellow progressives, who who who they backed up on
every issue, and the Jews have been progressive on every
issue going back to the civil rights and and and
so many issues. That desertion is a trauma for for
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some people in our community. That that needs to be
recognized and understood and acknowledged.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well. I think that uh, the you know, uh, when
Donald Trump became president, he in his first term had
supported the location of the US embassy. Every other president
had said, no, we're going to move it. We're going
to move it. He moved it. And I think that
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Benjamin Netanyahu and probably a lot of people in Israel
very appreciative of the efforts that Donald Trump has made here.
So I know that progressive's heads must be spinning here.
But I understand the point you're making about Sarah. I
don't know Sarah well, but I understand that if she
is a progressive. There were a lot of you so
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called progressive Jewish people who immediately was critical of Israel
for any response to October seventh, which I mean if
it had happened on the scale of our population. You know,
Israel's a small country physically, it's a small country, and
it's a small country in population fourteen million people. There,
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you lose twelve hundred people on one Saturday morning. That's
so tremendous. You translate that into what it would be
here in America, You're talking about losing thirty five thousand
people on one Saturday morning.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
So true, Dan, so true.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Joe, thank you, Thank you for your support. I hope
you'll continue to listen to Night's side and know that
you have a lot of support amongst people in my audience.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I bring up one other point. Sure, yep, I think
that in two thousand and seven, I said, I spoke
a lot of Israelis, and they kept telling me peace
was possible. We trade a little land here, we trade
a little land there, and and they'll be in agreement.
And what I want to just sort of I think
one of the most important things we need to look
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at today is that whether or not there really is
what peace means. And if there may be an agreement
and the death cult of Hamas, they may leave, they
may want it, they may die, But the problem remains
that the Palestinian people in general are not interested in money.
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They're not interested in success of their economy. If they were,
they wouldn't have voted in Hamas in the first place.
They are part of a death cult that wants to
kill and Jews and destroy Israel more than grow their
own civilization. And given that, I don't see any reason
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to believe that peace is based on a piece of
paper that would be signed in Egypt is any closer
than it's been for the last three thousand years when
this piece of land has been fought over. So I
think we can be optimistic that Israel will succeed the
Jews in Israel, and the population of Israel will grow
on to greater success in tech and their defense industry
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is going to boom. Now, it's going to be great,
and maybe there'll be some peace treaties or additional Abraham courts.
But to think about broad peace meaning happening in our time,
that means that the Palestinians are going to suddenly say
this is all okay, We'll have a nation side by side.
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They've turned it down time and again, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Very familiar with that. But maybe maybe the Palestinian population
that exists today has seen what has transpired in the
last two years and they never want to go through
that again, and they may begrudgingly say, hey, this is
where we are. It's a beautiful part of the world.
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We need to learn to live with our Jewish brothers
and sisters. I'm hopeful of that. I don't believe necessarily
that's true, but maybe there's been a lesson learned. I mean,
Gaza has been leveled, and if it had not been leveled,
there would be no possibility of any sort of a
peace of chord with a Mas.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Again, thank you for this forum, Dan, and I think
you're very much appreciated. I just want to thank you Jan.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
My pleasure, my pleasure, my duty. Thank you, Joe. Appreciate it,
because hey, quick break, we come back. The only line
I have right now is six one seven nine three one.
It's open right now. You can fill that and we'll
get you in. I promise. I got Eileen and Debbie
and Bill and Bob and my old friend Harvey Silverglade
is going to join us as well. We'll be back
on Nightside. Right after this.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm w Bzy Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Back to the phones. We go, going to go to
Bob and Rain and Bob appreciate your patience. Next on
Nightsiger right head, Bob.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Hey Dan, Hey Bob.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I'm a human being.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Good to hear.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I'm not I'm not Jewish. I was raised Catholic. I'm
a backslide and Catholic. But I'm a father, a brother,
a friend, whatever everything else. The human being is the
thought of what and the thought of what those poor
people have been suffering through for the last couple of years,
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and you know, and they continue to suffer and they'll
suffer forever is something that everyone should be able to
relate to.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Are you talking, Bob about the hostages or about the
Palestinian people?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Well, no, the hostages and the you know, all the
Jewish folks that were lost on that first day. And
and you know, one of the most disturbing things I
saw in the aftermath that that is how the you
know that they, the Palestinians, seem to teach their children
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right from the get go to hate Jews and and
and in my opinion, no peace can be made in
that region with those people because if you are if
your only solution is I want you did either you
have to kill me or I have to kill you.
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And I see no weather, I see no weather out,
and I think Israel has to finish the job. And
you know, well, if they have.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Do they will. But I do think if you look
at the Trump Plan, uh, and again I don't want
to call it the Trump Plan, call it the the
the West and West Plan or whatever. It's a Trump plan,
I can call it Trump Plan. They're talking about having
an independent police agency of some sort of international yeah,
you know, United Nations type, go in and make sure
that Hamas is defanged and that they leave. And you know,
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I mean there's there's some substance to the to this plan. Now,
it may not work, and you know, my suspicion is
probably it won't. But I think we've reached the point
where if it doesn't work, then I was going to
send the idea of and they're going to finish the job.
And it's not going to be pretty well.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
If it's an out, if it's an outside source whatever
or uh what do you call it, a neutral body
in the middle, that it might have some chance of success,
but to rely on the other side to uh be
peaceful with Israel, it's never going to happen. And at
this point, I think they have to start over again,
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you know, and and Gaza, you know, build it up
again or whatever, and start from a mile because I
mean these people that's going to take, that's.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Going to take decades to to to to resurrect Gaza.
I mean it's going to be a monumental, monumental task,
no doubt.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
And in my in my hot today is with all
of those uh parents and siblings and everybody else that
suffering the loss of their their families, it's it's it's
a disgrace.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well, Bob, I appreciate yourself, and I know a lot
of my listeners will appreciate that as well.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Can I say, can I say one more thing.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You gotta be quick because I got pack lines, Bob.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
One more thing is one more thing is with what's
going on or what had been going on with the
universities around this nation, every single provost, dean or whatever
you want to call him, should have said, this is
not going to happen on my campus. If you want
to go protest, go protest down at Boston, Carman or whatever.
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But this place, every one of my students is under
my care and under my supervision, and there's going to
be safe here.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Well, I think I think that safety should have been
the priority for all the students. Absolutely appreciate it, Bob,
I got to run. Thank you so much. Let me
go next to my friend Harvey Silver Dwight Harvey, welcome
to Night's side. I hope you listened to the last
hour to our colleague and friend Jeff Robins.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Yes I did. My view as follows. The problem is
that the Palestinians we don't know what the quote average
Palestinian thinks about is because there has never been a
non dictatorial government, a non corrupt, non dictatorial government. The
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Palestinian authority is as corrupt as can be.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Well, you know, is it possible, do you think? And
I think it would be possible that the average Palestinian
who is in Gaza, they don't have freedom of speech
with Hamas there, they have to you know, support publicly Hamas.
That maybe they're fed up with it and they realized
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that if it had not occurred on October seventh, their
homes would not have been destroyed. There would have been
no reason for.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
That is exactly my that's exactly my point, okay. And
it's impossible to find out what the quote average Palestinian
believes because there's no representative government. There is ham There
is a Palestinian authority which is corrupt. And my hope
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is that slowly a state can be a Palestinian state
can be established that's reasonably democratic yep, that it is
not corrupt, and I believe such an entity can get
along very well with Israel.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Well, you know, there wasn't time. There was a time
just in the north of Israel where Lebanon, but then
Yesmola came in and took over Lebanon yep. So hopefully
there will be precautions to make sure that if there
is a Palestinian state, it has protections from within and
from without. Yep, Harvey, great minds think alike. I was
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thinking exactly the same thing as you were to meet.
Let us hope, my friend, let us hope. We've lived
our your lives with this kind of hanging over you know,
our head. I mean not not. We're not Israeli and
we're not Palestinian. But it would be great to see
if finally get resolved, wouldn't it be wonderful? Yep, thanks Harvey,
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Thank you my friend. Thanks for thanks for a calling.
Appreciate it very much. Let me get I leaned in Waltham.
I lean your next on nights. I want to get
you in it before the break.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Go ahead, I lean real quick.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
First of all, as far as a Catholic church, I
work a Catholic and I have been totally disgusted with
their response. And I've been in the Protestant church for
a lot and it's the same thing the churches. So
I went back and looked at what the how the
church has reacted to hipA and they failed visiably then too.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, there was a lot of criticism of Pulpious to
twelve with with Hitler. At the same time, I'm not defended.
Think how they dealt with Hitler. I'm not defending for
a moment. I think that I think I think that
Pius the twelfth was in a in a real bind,
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and that he also was his country was surrounded by Italy,
which was run by Mussolini. So I don't know that
I would have been courageous enough to to stake out.
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
I don't know who knows. It's a long time ago,
a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
But I think the Captain Church and its current, in
its current you know constitution as its constitution, credit that
our priests could be a little bit better from the pulpit.
I remember listening.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
To the Baptist pastors and all of them.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Sure, but but there's a lot of them, Well, there's
a lot of evangelical Christians who have been very pro Israel.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
Yeah, yeah, the pulpit, Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, I got to know you. I think I think
that a lot of the the the evangelical types sort
of that would come.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
Out of like that.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
But I'm talking about the classic you know, Baptists and
all of them. They haven't come out strong enough.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
But well here's yeah, if you're talking about mainline Protestant churches,
I agree with you. I don't attend mainline Protestant churches,
but I haven't heard much from mainline product. They're like
Catholic churches, very good on social justice issues, but very
quiet on Israel.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
But here's the other thing. I'm not even sure they're
so good on social issues anymore. I don't believe in
social justice. I believe in God's justice. Okay, fair enough,
it will never fail the other half many times.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Okay, go ahead, what's the other point?
Speaker 9 (18:48):
Here's the other.
Speaker 8 (18:50):
When you look. We have a real problem here too,
because you have this free, free Palestine movement, and the
question we need to ask, simple question that should put
shut them all up is when has Palestine been free?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Well?
Speaker 8 (19:05):
I shall, but I don't think they're.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Not going to fold their tent. I mean, you could
ask the question of where is Palestine located? You know,
it doesn't exist. It was Gaza was created by Israel
in an effort to try to calm things down, and
very quickly thereafter Gaza in the West Bank, and you
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had the Palestinian authority in the West Bank, which are tough,
but they're not killers. They're not Hamas. Hamas was like
isis they kill each other?
Speaker 8 (19:42):
I mean there's a book called Inside Isis, and I
haven't reading it recently because I already read on democracyes
and death cultures. But I guess what I said is Palestine.
Palestine has never been free, even before the Palace City
organ and before Hamas, which is really Iran.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I think the Palestinians.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
They fighting with each other, killing each other, having all
these groups.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I think, what the what the Palestinians would say, Okay,
not in defense of the Palestines, but what they would
say is that if you go back two thousand years,
Jesus was walking in the land that was Palestine. That's
what they would say. Now, it wasn't Palestine a member
of the United Nations or anything like that, but that's
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what they That's where they would say, that's where the
Palestinian people live, that's where they're That's that's their argument.
You don't have to accept it, but that would be
their art.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
Well, that the Jewish people lived there too, exactly exactly.
And I mean, you know, if you go back two
thousand years, it was no United States of America either.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Of course there wasn't. Yeah, absolutely no question.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Water has changed, waters changed have changed tremendously over the.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Time in Israel was established by the United Nations after
World War Two in a recognition of what had happened
during World War two and the Holocaust. We know the
history of it. And there have been efforts by Israel
to give seed land uh and to talk about a
two state solution, and at every turn Arafat said no,
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and other Palestinian leaders have said no. So here we are. Here,
we are. Let's hope that something good comes out of this.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
But do you remember the poem? I didn't think the
Funhoff said it, but it was written by somebody else.
But about first they came.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
Socialists, and then they came for the for the Union guys.
And then they came for the Jews, and I wasn't
a Jew, so I didn't speak up. Again, that was right, right, right, Yeah,
they came.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
They came for the homosexuals and all of that. I
understand that. Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
The United States and thinking about what's going on, because
I think I don't think the people we'll tell us
saves just don't hate Jewish people. They hate Christian people too.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, they are Christian.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
They hate they hate anybody who as far as I
marsius anybody.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That is all I mean, We've gone on and I'm
well into my newscast. Talk it, but thank you for calling.
I appreciate your for your perspective. Have a great night,
one line six one seven, four ten thirty. Back on
night Side right after this.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on you Bsy,
Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
All right, let me go next to Debbie and Boston. Debbie,
appreciate your patience. You're next on Nightside. Go right ahead, Debbie.
Speaker 10 (22:40):
Good evening. Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I can hear you perfectly, Go right.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
Ahead, perfectly.
Speaker 10 (22:44):
All right, good evening, Dan, And so sorry I missed Jeff,
but thank you Dan for hosting this conversation tonight on this.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
You know dark day, you know ten seven.
Speaker 10 (22:54):
I just got home actually from the Boston Nova Exhibit.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
It's here in Boston till October twenty.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I saw that. I saw that tonight. I think it
was on ten five. It looks amazing.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (23:05):
Well, I mean tonight you had all those survivors sit
on a panel and talk about their you know, story
of survival and their resilience and you know, their journey
to repair, you know, and they're determined to feel joy
through their pain and trauma.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
And yeah, they're they're going to dance again.
Speaker 10 (23:23):
It is remarkable.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
So we can.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Dance to some sort of decision by Hamas to disarm
and leave Gaza.
Speaker 10 (23:34):
Yeah, by the way, I hope from your from your
lips to God DearS. So my question for you is,
so if that happens, you know, hostages are returned, and
you know, world opinion is, the humanitarian aid is flowing,
you know, can the opinion of Israel improve for the better?
I mean, you know, I mean, will Israel ever be
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supported for their efforts to defend their country and root
that's a terrorist?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I think I got to be honest with you. I
think until the country in this nation stops watching stupid
daytime television and starts to listen to thoughtful calls like
yours and others tonight and reassess the biases that were
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put into their heads, whether in churches or or from
you know, older relatives, about these blood libels, about the
Jews run this, and the Jews run this, none of
which is true. Look, Rob, do you have the teacher
from available from Do you remember when I'm talking about
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Rob the teacher from Los Angeles. Okay, this is a
teacher in Los Angeles at the time of Occupy Wall Street. Okay,
this is a school teacher in Los Angeles who looked
in the TV camera and said this. We will never
change this woman's mind. Play it, rob and an affiliation.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Patrician McAllister.
Speaker 11 (25:06):
I'm here representing myself, but I do work for the
Los Angeles Unified School District, and I think that the
Zionist Jews who are running these big banks in our
federal reserve, which is not run by the federal government,
they need to be run out of this country.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
How are you going to change that person's mind? And
she's a teacher in the Los Angeles schools.
Speaker 10 (25:26):
Man, the genie's out of the bottle.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
Yeah, I don't know how we reverse it.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Well. I think the way we reverse it is we
make it unacceptable to to to harbor ill will towards individuals,
because you know, we know that in America, you know
you can't hate. You know, we have hate crimes and
all of this, but you know, we have to have
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other people. The haters are always going to hate. I
think that that was a ligned that Taylor Swift used
I don't often quote Taylor Swift, but that's what haters do.
They hate, but you marginalize them so that they no
longer have a legitimacy. I'm more than if anyone wants
to call and talk about the Palestinians tonight, I have
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all my answers for that. We can have a conversation.
I don't want to see little kids get killed. I'm
not looking forward to that. But at the same time,
it's not the Israeli's fault that Hamas built their tunnels
underneath hospitals at schools.
Speaker 10 (26:29):
Right of course, But you know there's also the fact
checking the gods of health ministry. I mean, I have
to say, that's not why that is quoted every day,
is well.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That is because of the lack of courage in the
news media. The news media, And this is the dirty
little secret of the news media. I worked in in
a long time in television and there are too many people.
I'm not talking about the people I worked with, I'm
talking about generally. There's a lot of people get into
the media and they would rather be with the crowd,
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even if it meant being wrong. Then take a chance
and take a different point of view. You know, I
can tell you stories I did that people thought I
had gone over to the dark side. When I fought
for the freedom of four men who had been wrongfully
and intentionally convicted by corrupt FBI agents Boston got him
out of jail. They won one hundred and sixteen million
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dollars from the federal government. And I had colleagues of
mine who apologized to me and said, we thought you
had gone over the dark side.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Right, Well, I thank you.
Speaker 10 (27:32):
I mean, you have good morals, and you know we
appreciate and love you for your support and for having
these conversations.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, thank you very much. I will never stop as
long as I have use of this microphone, and I
will never I learned at the dinner table about World
War Two and what was done in World War two,
and I saw it in person when I went to
Auschwitz in nineteen eighty six and filed reports from Auschwitz.
And I'm very proud I'm sitting here looking at an
emmy word for the reports that I filed from Auschwitz.
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It wasn't my skill, it was just the story was
so profound. When you stood there and you realized that
the firing wall with literally the German soldiers would stand
fifteen feet away from the from the Jewish prisoners who
were about to be killed. They could they literally could
see you know, every here on their head, and they
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shot from fifteen feet away. I mean it was and
I showed that. I showed that my pleasure, in my
honor and my duty. Thank you so much for please
continue to call this program and support this. Thank you much.
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Let me go next to building Pennsylvania. Bill, going to
get you in here before the break or right ahead.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
Bill, Dan, what you were just talking about. I can't understand.
H So you you you went to Auschwitz and that
what you saw over there changed your mind. But you
know it didn't change.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
No, it didn't change my mind. It reinforced what my
what my dad had taught on my brother and me
at the dinner table. He was a veteran of World
War two, and he talked about the Holocaust to us
when we were you know, when we were you know,
ten and eleven and twelve. He didn't talk about it
we were three and four.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
No, but I'm saying here in America, okay, we uh
the public here in America, Dan, we haven't seen any
anything hardly at all, about what what uh atrocities happened
on this day two years ago? And I turned I
turned the television on this morning, and you know that
I watched four different stations, and uh, three out of
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the flour this morning. They their their first thirty seconds
maybe was uh you know, some of the clipping, some
of the some of the films of the Hamas coming
in and and then are immediately they cut and then
all you saw for the next three minutes was Gaza
and the suffering at Gaza.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
So well, that's that is just misleading.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
It's not journalism. I don't know what you want to
call it. It's telling a story. It's it gets to
the point of almost being propaganda.
Speaker 9 (30:12):
Yep, yep, I agree with that. Now listen, didn't it
didn't the Israelis give gods back to the uh. Let's
let the palace listen dan as far as far as
back as I can remember. The Democrats in the United
States back to Palestinians. Okay as far no.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
No, no, no. I don't think that's fair. I don't
think that's fair. The Democrats generally have been in favor
of what it was called the Two States Solution, which
was Basically, I viewed it as an imposition on the
state of Israel. Who do we what right do we
have to tell? It would be like if all of
a sudden England was telling us that we had to
give Texas back to Mexico. I mean, you know, and
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and and and that's that's you know. I think that
has to have been decided by Israel. And Israel decided
to give Gaza to the Palestinians. And they voted in
Jumas and that was the last election. That was like
in two thousand and five, and there were no following
up up elections.
Speaker 9 (31:13):
Okay. But what I'm saying is I can remember vividly, okay,
of Yasa Arafat, Okay, getting all that everybody held him
up in the Democrat Party. They loved Arafat.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (31:26):
Then I see all these students, okay, that are against
Israel for the last three or four years on these campuses.
One of your guests mentioned that a one of your callers,
and I look at that, and I can tell you, okay,
all those people, all those people in the in the
in the in the campuses that are that are pro Palestinians.
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That are the same people Okay, they support the same
party in the United States as the party that were
for Arafit.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I don't think. And again, I let you say what
you wanted. I'm not gonna, you know, scrub your remark.
But I don't think the Democrats loved Arafat. I think
the Democrats viewed Arafought for what he was when he
spoke at the United Nations. I'll never forget the picture
he had the pistol hanging off his his his hip,
you know. So, uh, no one ever thought he was
(32:17):
a good guy. I don't think. But no, no, no,
I think I think that I'm just telling you. Let
me agree with you to some extent. I think that
Donald Trump is all in for Israel. I think it's
a while when there's been a Democratic president who was
all in for Israel.
Speaker 9 (32:33):
Yeah, and I remember, now, I got a question for you,
Dan the Palate when they stay Palestinians? Okay, did they? Okay,
so the majority of the Palestinians are Muslims.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
No, actually there's a lot of them that are Christian Catholic.
Speaker 9 (32:48):
Well, what I can put for Sentage's Muslims? Then I
don't understand.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I don't have those numbers and I'm not going to
try to fog in give you numbers like that. I'll
try to I'll try to look them up here. Okay,
but I gotta because I got you before the break.
But we've gone by.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
Thanks yeah, thanks, thanks, thanks for thanks for enlightening that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm just telling you the
facts is I know them. That's all. Thanks Bill, Talk
to you soon. Have a great one, good night. Coming
back on nights Side, the only line six one, seven thirty.
Try to get I know I have Mike, Jeff and
Matt and I got room for you at six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. It's been an interesting night. This has been
a good night side. A lot of new voices, a
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lot of voices I haven't heard from before. I enjoy that.
Coming back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I owe Bill an apology. The majority of Palestinians are Muslim,
with ninety eight percent of the Palestinians identifying as Sunni Muslim.
Christianity is the main minority, with about fifty two thousand Christians,
and I believe that most of those Christians are Catholic
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or some version. So Bill, you were right on that.
I appreciate the check on it, and I got it
for you. Let me go to Jeff and thingsbro. Jeff
you next time nights, I want to give you and
three more in Jeff, go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
How you doing good? Yeah? So first off, I'm one
hundred percent Jewish, longtime listener, first time.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Caller, you know, well, thank you very much, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
So a couple of things. A lot of people forget
that after World War Two, the you know, Israel was
created and it was supposed to be they were supposed
to split Jerusalem, okay, And the big issue you run
into is that they were supposed to split Jerusalem West Bank,
you know, going in Golden Heids and yeah, yeah Heights
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and the Gaza shrip. They were all supposed to be
technically Muslim or Palestine. That's the idea, and then Israel
state was all mixed out the rest of it. But
what people forget is that people, you know, Muslims and
Palestinians technically lived in those Jewish now Jewish areas for
thousands of generations or hundreds of.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Generations, sold in Jewish people.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Not much though when you think about it, because.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
We According to one article I'm looking at here, by
more than a thousand years, Israel predates Palestine. And also,
by the way, a lot of the areas you're talking about,
Israel was attacked immediately by its Arab neighbors in nineteen
forty eight, and again in nineteen sixty seven, and again
(35:33):
in the Six Day War of nineteen seventy three, and
they won there. In sixty nine, they won back territories.
You know that they fall more. Yeah, okay, good enough.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
I just want to make sure, no I know. But originally,
what I'm saying is that when people forget you're someone
that said earlier that they didn't understand what kind of
caused these people to hate the Jews, you know, the Palaestinians.
But you have to realize that if you live somewhere
that now some other government was owned by Britain, and
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Britain gave it to Israel and Palestine, and.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Then the United Nations gave it to Israel and Palestine.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
The money was made by the money, their money was
made by Britain. But either way, give me.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I'm a little tight on time here and I got
three others. Yeah, what's your bottom mine? Give me your
bottom line.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
So the idea is that people, you know, if you
lived in a place for you know, one hundred generations
and then these Israelis came in and told you to
get out, and now you're going to be putting ghettos
in the West Bank pretty much, because that's what's there.
They're all caged in, and there's a highway that goes
right through that only Jews are allowed to use, and
you have to go through checkpoints every day, and they're
pretty much if you look at before October seventh of
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two years ago, the amount of Palestinians killed by Jews
was thousands and thousands every year and then all of
a sudden October seventh.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Okay, so to you, to you, does that mean it
to you October seventh was justified?
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Or no? Not at all?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Good?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
At the same time, let's.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Let's do this. Think the next time I want you
to call, please call earlier so I can give you
much more time because we'll have a great conversation. But
I got three other people here who I'm trying to accommodate.
So thank you for calling. Please call more often and
become a regular call You're a great caller. Thank you
all right, all right, let me get Mike and Maryland. Mike,
you gotta be real quick for for Christine and Matt
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and want to get you all in.
Speaker 12 (37:21):
Go ahead, Mike, Oh, definitely, definitely, now me in because
I'm gonna keep you. You got a great show up there,
all right, lock me in on this. And Maryland, he's
got Maryland contact.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
Anyway.
Speaker 12 (37:34):
My position when it comes down to this situation about
the ending of wars through this administration, that.
Speaker 9 (37:43):
It will end.
Speaker 12 (37:44):
It's gonna have to end. He's gonna win over everything
been pretty much wars since the beginning of the time. Territory,
religion like no other, with America being so much infiltrated
in so many nations in the world, and when world training,
what have you. It's affecting American now, affecting the churches,
(38:05):
it's affecting our way of life, it's affecting. Yeah, I'm
a Democrat, god forsaken Democrat, but the whole Democratic Party
needs to go and needs to start over again.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Fair enough, Mike, Mike, you made a really interesting point.
I'm trying to give about thirty seconds to two other
callers who are also called late. Please, I'm on from
eight to midnight. I'm here for you five nights a week.
Come on your first time caller.
Speaker 12 (38:33):
Too, right, absolutely absolutely not the first time call. And
you're reaching down here.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Oh yeah, we reached, we reached thirty eight states, Mike,
trust me, trust me, we have.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
A huge reach.
Speaker 12 (38:45):
You are you are a democratic state?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yes? Sure, just like Maryland. I got to run, Mike.
I got other folks here on onet with colleague. Thank
you much, thank you much, Matt. I can give you
thirty seconds, I apologize your regular call and hit it.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
Go ahead, Matt.
Speaker 13 (39:01):
You know I appreciate it. To the other caller, absolute
ludicrous for this comments about Israel and all of these things.
Speaker 14 (39:15):
But look, the only thing I can ask quickly, because
it's just a question, is look now when some of
these views are portrayed.
Speaker 13 (39:28):
Can Israel having an a chance to improve and have
a chance and this you know, basic feel that's going on?
Speaker 2 (39:42):
All right, Matt. I got to get one more and
thank you for that question. I appreciate how much time
I got rob one minute. Okay, thank you, Matt. Christine,
I can give you twenty seconds. You got it, go ahead, Christine?
Speaker 8 (39:54):
Is this who dan that there's still like people being
held over since everything has happened.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, there's the Israeli hostages are still over there. Yeah
that we hope to see them released at some point
in the next few days. We'll see I hope. So
two years, over five hundred days, okay, thanks Christine. Actually
over six hundred days, seven hundred days, Thanks Christine.
Speaker 8 (40:18):
Let's have peace in the world.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Listen, that's true, okay, Rob, how much time? Thirty seconds? Okay?
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you, Dan Watkins, come back for the Yankees tonight.
We'll have to see you tomorrow night. I suspect they
will have the phenom from Walpole, Massachusetts, Cam schlicker slicker pitch.
See if he can duplicate his performance, be pretty tough.
He was fabulous against the Red Sox. All Right, we're
talking about what's going on in the Middle East tonight.
(00:28):
Dawn is close to breaking over there, and maybe it's
the dawn of a new day. It will be October
the eighth, and maybe that's the day in which in
a final peace agreement might be might be hammered out.
Jeff Robbins was not optimistic. He gave it a probably
a less than ten percent chance. I would probably give
it a little bit more of a chance, but not
(00:51):
much more than twenty or twenty five percent. I'd love
to know what you think. This is such an important time.
I mean, from the point of view of the United States.
We have been on the right side here from you know,
so we're so often criticized by the left in this country,
but we're on the right side of this fight. In Israel.
(01:13):
Hamas are killers. They are the spawn of of Hitler's
Germany philosophically, and they hate Jews because they're Jews. As
simple as that, simple as that. And it's you heard
the emotional comments by Jamie and Sarah last hour, obviously,
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but it's important for those of us who are of
a different faith or of no faith to support Israel.
It is our one true friend in the Middle East.
It is the one democracy in the Middle East. Democrats
talk a lot about the democracy and democracy dies in darkness. Well,
there was nothing but darkness on that morning on October seventh,
(01:58):
twenty twenty three. And hopefully the dark will give way
to light. I pray, and I hope, and I and
what I said about the Catholic Church, Aman, there may
be churches where there have been statements in support of Israel. Uh.
No one is in supportive killing people. But Israel has
(02:19):
every right to defend themselves. And I do know that.
You know, Palestinians are Christian, uh, And so they may
be an affinity towards Christians, but you when you see
what Hamas did, I'm sure those Hamas fighters would describe
themselves as Christians as well. We need all religions in America,
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whether they Evangelical, Protestant, mainstream, mainline Republic, mainline Protestant, whether
they're Mormon, whether you're an atheist or an agnostic, you
need to be supportive of Israel in my mind. So
let's go to the calls. We're going to go next,
up to Joe is in Western Joe, appreciate your calling
your next One Night Sager.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Right ahead, Hi, Dan, I really want to thank you
for having this topic on tonight on the second anniversary.
I was originally going to my topic I wanted to.
I want to talk to you about is predictions for
the future, which you and Jeff were discussing. Butfore I
get to that, I just like to highlight and mention
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the trauma our entire Jewish community was traumatized and has
been continually traumatized the last two years. But progressive Jews
like Sarah have a further level of trauma that I
think needs to be recognized.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
They I.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Was a former I'm former head coach chairman of the
Newland Friends of the IDF. I am a strong supporter
of the IDF. And you could call it conservative, did
call it right wing. I don't care what your call,
but on the opposite of what we would call progressive
jew who possibly thought that peace was possible, and the
people living in the community surrounding Godza thought that peace
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was with gods was possible, and people like Sarah. The
double trauma for people like Sarah is that not only
were Jews slaughtered, but their progressive community, non Jewish possible
as well as some Jews deserted them. I talk to
people across the country who who are from that that
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that political and social persuasion and it and I think
that trauma for for folks that have been abandoned by
their fellow progressives, who who who they backed up on
every issue, and the Jews have been progressive on every
issue going back to the civil rights and and and
so many issues. That desertion is a trauma for for
(04:47):
some people in our community. That that needs to be
recognized and understood and acknowledged.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well. I think that uh, the you know, uh, when
Donald Trump became president, he in his first term had
supported the location of the US embassy. Every other president
had said, no, we're going to move it. We're going
to move it. He moved it. And I think that
(05:15):
Benjamin Netanyahu and probably a lot of people in Israel
very appreciative of the efforts that Donald Trump has made here.
So I know that progressive's heads must be spinning here.
But I understand the point you're making about Sarah. I
don't know Sarah well, but I understand that if she
is a progressive. There were a lot of you so
(05:39):
called progressive Jewish people who immediately was critical of Israel
for any response to October seventh, which I mean if
it had happened on the scale of our population. You know,
Israel's a small country physically, it's a small country, and
it's a small country in population fourteen million people. There,
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you lose twelve hundred people on one Saturday morning. That's
so tremendous. You translate that into what it would be
here in America, You're talking about losing thirty five thousand
people on one Saturday morning.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
So true, Dan, so true.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Joe, thank you, Thank you for your support. I hope
you'll continue to listen to Night's side and know that
you have a lot of support amongst people in my audience.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I bring up one other point. Sure, yep, I think
that in two thousand and seven, I said, I spoke
a lot of Israelis, and they kept telling me peace
was possible. We trade a little land here, we trade
a little land there, and and they'll be in agreement.
And what I want to just sort of I think
one of the most important things we need to look
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at today is that whether or not there really is
what peace means. And if there may be an agreement
and the death cult of Hamas, they may leave, they
may want it, they may die, But the problem remains
that the Palestinian people in general are not interested in money.
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They're not interested in success of their economy. If they were,
they wouldn't have voted in Hamas in the first place.
They are part of a death cult that wants to
kill and Jews and destroy Israel more than grow their
own civilization. And given that, I don't see any reason
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to believe that peace is based on a piece of
paper that would be signed in Egypt is any closer
than it's been for the last three thousand years when
this piece of land has been fought over. So I
think we can be optimistic that Israel will succeed the
Jews in Israel, and the population of Israel will grow
on to greater success in tech and their defense industry
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is going to boom. Now, it's going to be great,
and maybe there'll be some peace treaties or additional Abraham courts.
But to think about broad peace meaning happening in our time,
that means that the Palestinians are going to suddenly say
this is all okay, We'll have a nation side by side.
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They've turned it down time and again, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Very familiar with that. But maybe maybe the Palestinian population
that exists today has seen what has transpired in the
last two years and they never want to go through
that again, and they may begrudgingly say, hey, this is
where we are. It's a beautiful part of the world.
(08:35):
We need to learn to live with our Jewish brothers
and sisters. I'm hopeful of that. I don't believe necessarily
that's true, but maybe there's been a lesson learned. I mean,
Gaza has been leveled, and if it had not been leveled,
there would be no possibility of any sort of a
peace of chord with a Mas.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Again, thank you for this forum, Dan, and I think
you're very much appreciated. I just want to thank you Jan.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
My pleasure, my pleasure, my duty. Thank you, Joe. Appreciate it,
because hey, quick break, we come back. The only line
I have right now is six one seven nine three one.
It's open right now. You can fill that and we'll
get you in. I promise. I got Eileen and Debbie
and Bill and Bob and my old friend Harvey Silverglade
is going to join us as well. We'll be back
on Nightside. Right after this.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm w Bzy Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Back to the phones. We go, going to go to
Bob and Rain and Bob appreciate your patience. Next on
Nightsiger right head, Bob.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Hey Dan, Hey Bob.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I'm a human being.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Good to hear.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I'm not I'm not Jewish. I was raised Catholic. I'm
a backslide and Catholic. But I'm a father, a brother,
a friend, whatever everything else. The human being is the
thought of what and the thought of what those poor
people have been suffering through for the last couple of years,
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and you know, and they continue to suffer and they'll
suffer forever is something that everyone should be able to
relate to.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Are you talking, Bob about the hostages or about the
Palestinian people?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Well, no, the hostages and the you know, all the
Jewish folks that were lost on that first day. And
and you know, one of the most disturbing things I
saw in the aftermath that that is how the you
know that they, the Palestinians, seem to teach their children
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right from the get go to hate Jews and and
and in my opinion, no peace can be made in
that region with those people because if you are if
your only solution is I want you did either you
have to kill me or I have to kill you.
(11:05):
And I see no weather, I see no weather out,
and I think Israel has to finish the job. And
you know, well, if they have.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Do they will. But I do think if you look
at the Trump Plan, uh, and again I don't want
to call it the Trump Plan, call it the the
the West and West Plan or whatever. It's a Trump plan,
I can call it Trump Plan. They're talking about having
an independent police agency of some sort of international yeah,
you know, United Nations type, go in and make sure
that Hamas is defanged and that they leave. And you know,
(11:39):
I mean there's there's some substance to the to this plan. Now,
it may not work, and you know, my suspicion is
probably it won't. But I think we've reached the point
where if it doesn't work, then I was going to
send the idea of and they're going to finish the job.
And it's not going to be pretty well.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
If it's an out, if it's an outside source whatever
or uh what do you call it, a neutral body
in the middle, that it might have some chance of success,
but to rely on the other side to uh be
peaceful with Israel, it's never going to happen. And at
this point, I think they have to start over again,
(12:17):
you know, and and Gaza, you know, build it up
again or whatever, and start from a mile because I
mean these people that's going to take, that's.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Going to take decades to to to to resurrect Gaza.
I mean it's going to be a monumental, monumental task,
no doubt.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
And in my in my hot today is with all
of those uh parents and siblings and everybody else that
suffering the loss of their their families, it's it's it's
a disgrace.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Well, Bob, I appreciate yourself, and I know a lot
of my listeners will appreciate that as well.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Can I say, can I say one more thing.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
You gotta be quick because I got pack lines, Bob.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
One more thing is one more thing is with what's
going on or what had been going on with the
universities around this nation, every single provost, dean or whatever
you want to call him, should have said, this is
not going to happen on my campus. If you want
to go protest, go protest down at Boston, Carman or whatever.
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But this place, every one of my students is under
my care and under my supervision, and there's going to
be safe here.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Well, I think I think that safety should have been
the priority for all the students. Absolutely appreciate it, Bob,
I got to run. Thank you so much. Let me
go next to my friend Harvey Silver Dwight Harvey, welcome
to Night's side. I hope you listened to the last
hour to our colleague and friend Jeff Robins.
Speaker 6 (13:45):
Yes I did. My view as follows. The problem is
that the Palestinians we don't know what the quote average
Palestinian thinks about is because there has never been a
non dictatorial government, a non corrupt, non dictatorial government. The
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Palestinian authority is as corrupt as can be.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Well, you know, is it possible, do you think? And
I think it would be possible that the average Palestinian
who is in Gaza, they don't have freedom of speech
with Hamas there, they have to you know, support publicly Hamas.
That maybe they're fed up with it and they realized
(14:35):
that if it had not occurred on October seventh, their
homes would not have been destroyed. There would have been
no reason for.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
That is exactly my that's exactly my point, okay. And
it's impossible to find out what the quote average Palestinian
believes because there's no representative government. There is ham There
is a Palestinian authority which is corrupt. And my hope
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is that slowly a state can be a Palestinian state
can be established that's reasonably democratic yep, that it is
not corrupt, and I believe such an entity can get
along very well with Israel.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Well, you know, there wasn't time. There was a time
just in the north of Israel where Lebanon, but then
Yesmola came in and took over Lebanon yep. So hopefully
there will be precautions to make sure that if there
is a Palestinian state, it has protections from within and
from without. Yep, Harvey, great minds think alike. I was
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thinking exactly the same thing as you were to meet.
Let us hope, my friend, let us hope. We've lived
our your lives with this kind of hanging over you know,
our head. I mean not not. We're not Israeli and
we're not Palestinian. But it would be great to see
if finally get resolved, wouldn't it be wonderful? Yep, thanks Harvey,
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Thank you my friend. Thanks for thanks for a calling.
Appreciate it very much. Let me get I leaned in Waltham.
I lean your next on nights. I want to get
you in it before the break.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
Go ahead, I lean real quick.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
First of all, as far as a Catholic church, I
work a Catholic and I have been totally disgusted with
their response. And I've been in the Protestant church for
a lot and it's the same thing the churches. So
I went back and looked at what the how the
church has reacted to hipA and they failed visiably then too.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, there was a lot of criticism of Pulpious to
twelve with with Hitler. At the same time, I'm not defended.
Think how they dealt with Hitler. I'm not defending for
a moment. I think that I think I think that
Pius the twelfth was in a in a real bind,
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and that he also was his country was surrounded by Italy,
which was run by Mussolini. So I don't know that
I would have been courageous enough to to stake out.
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
I don't know who knows. It's a long time ago,
a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
But I think the Captain Church and its current, in
its current you know constitution as its constitution, credit that
our priests could be a little bit better from the pulpit.
I remember listening.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
To the Baptist pastors and all of them.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Sure, but but there's a lot of them, Well, there's
a lot of evangelical Christians who have been very pro Israel.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
Yeah, yeah, the pulpit, Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, I got to know you. I think I think
that a lot of the the the evangelical types sort
of that would come.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
Out of like that.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
But I'm talking about the classic you know, Baptists and
all of them. They haven't come out strong enough.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
But well here's yeah, if you're talking about mainline Protestant churches,
I agree with you. I don't attend mainline Protestant churches,
but I haven't heard much from mainline product. They're like
Catholic churches, very good on social justice issues, but very
quiet on Israel.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
But here's the other thing. I'm not even sure they're
so good on social issues anymore. I don't believe in
social justice. I believe in God's justice. Okay, fair enough,
it will never fail the other half many times.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Okay, go ahead, what's the other point?
Speaker 9 (18:48):
Here's the other.
Speaker 8 (18:50):
When you look. We have a real problem here too,
because you have this free, free Palestine movement, and the
question we need to ask, simple question that should put
shut them all up is when has Palestine been free?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Well?
Speaker 8 (19:05):
I shall, but I don't think they're.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Not going to fold their tent. I mean, you could
ask the question of where is Palestine located? You know,
it doesn't exist. It was Gaza was created by Israel
in an effort to try to calm things down, and
very quickly thereafter Gaza in the West Bank, and you
(19:30):
had the Palestinian authority in the West Bank, which are tough,
but they're not killers. They're not Hamas. Hamas was like
isis they kill each other?
Speaker 8 (19:42):
I mean there's a book called Inside Isis, and I
haven't reading it recently because I already read on democracyes
and death cultures. But I guess what I said is Palestine.
Palestine has never been free, even before the Palace City
organ and before Hamas, which is really Iran.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I think the Palestinians.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
They fighting with each other, killing each other, having all
these groups.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I think, what the what the Palestinians would say, Okay,
not in defense of the Palestines, but what they would
say is that if you go back two thousand years,
Jesus was walking in the land that was Palestine. That's
what they would say. Now, it wasn't Palestine a member
of the United Nations or anything like that, but that's
(20:31):
what they That's where they would say, that's where the
Palestinian people live, that's where they're That's that's their argument.
You don't have to accept it, but that would be
their art.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
Well, that the Jewish people lived there too, exactly exactly.
And I mean, you know, if you go back two
thousand years, it was no United States of America either.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Of course there wasn't. Yeah, absolutely no question.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Water has changed, waters changed have changed tremendously over the.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Time in Israel was established by the United Nations after
World War Two in a recognition of what had happened
during World War two and the Holocaust. We know the
history of it. And there have been efforts by Israel
to give seed land uh and to talk about a
two state solution, and at every turn Arafat said no,
(21:16):
and other Palestinian leaders have said no. So here we are. Here,
we are. Let's hope that something good comes out of this.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
But do you remember the poem? I didn't think the
Funhoff said it, but it was written by somebody else.
But about first they came.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
Socialists, and then they came for the for the Union guys.
And then they came for the Jews, and I wasn't
a Jew, so I didn't speak up. Again, that was right, right, right, Yeah,
they came.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
They came for the homosexuals and all of that. I
understand that. Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
The United States and thinking about what's going on, because
I think I don't think the people we'll tell us
saves just don't hate Jewish people. They hate Christian people too.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, they are Christian.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
They hate they hate anybody who as far as I
marsius anybody.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That is all I mean, We've gone on and I'm
well into my newscast. Talk it, but thank you for calling.
I appreciate your for your perspective. Have a great night,
one line six one seven, four ten thirty. Back on
night Side right after this.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on you Bsy,
Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
All right, let me go next to Debbie and Boston. Debbie,
appreciate your patience. You're next on Nightside. Go right ahead, Debbie.
Speaker 10 (22:40):
Good evening. Can you hear me?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I can hear you perfectly, Go right.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
Ahead, perfectly.
Speaker 10 (22:44):
All right, good evening, Dan, And so sorry I missed Jeff,
but thank you Dan for hosting this conversation tonight on this.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
You know dark day, you know ten seven.
Speaker 10 (22:54):
I just got home actually from the Boston Nova Exhibit.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
It's here in Boston till October twenty.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I saw that. I saw that tonight. I think it
was on ten five. It looks amazing.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (23:05):
Well, I mean tonight you had all those survivors sit
on a panel and talk about their you know, story
of survival and their resilience and you know, their journey
to repair, you know, and they're determined to feel joy
through their pain and trauma.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
And yeah, they're they're going to dance again.
Speaker 10 (23:23):
It is remarkable.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
So we can.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Dance to some sort of decision by Hamas to disarm
and leave Gaza.
Speaker 10 (23:34):
Yeah, by the way, I hope from your from your
lips to God DearS. So my question for you is,
so if that happens, you know, hostages are returned, and
you know, world opinion is, the humanitarian aid is flowing,
you know, can the opinion of Israel improve for the better?
I mean, you know, I mean, will Israel ever be
(23:56):
supported for their efforts to defend their country and root
that's a terrorist?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I think I got to be honest with you. I
think until the country in this nation stops watching stupid
daytime television and starts to listen to thoughtful calls like
yours and others tonight and reassess the biases that were
(24:23):
put into their heads, whether in churches or or from
you know, older relatives, about these blood libels, about the
Jews run this, and the Jews run this, none of
which is true. Look, Rob, do you have the teacher
from available from Do you remember when I'm talking about
(24:45):
Rob the teacher from Los Angeles. Okay, this is a
teacher in Los Angeles at the time of Occupy Wall Street. Okay,
this is a school teacher in Los Angeles who looked
in the TV camera and said this. We will never
change this woman's mind. Play it, rob and an affiliation.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Patrician McAllister.
Speaker 11 (25:06):
I'm here representing myself, but I do work for the
Los Angeles Unified School District, and I think that the
Zionist Jews who are running these big banks in our
federal reserve, which is not run by the federal government,
they need to be run out of this country.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
How are you going to change that person's mind? And
she's a teacher in the Los Angeles schools.
Speaker 10 (25:26):
Man, the genie's out of the bottle.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
Yeah, I don't know how we reverse it.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Well. I think the way we reverse it is we
make it unacceptable to to to harbor ill will towards individuals,
because you know, we know that in America, you know
you can't hate. You know, we have hate crimes and
all of this, but you know, we have to have
(25:51):
other people. The haters are always going to hate. I
think that that was a ligned that Taylor Swift used
I don't often quote Taylor Swift, but that's what haters do.
They hate, but you marginalize them so that they no
longer have a legitimacy. I'm more than if anyone wants
to call and talk about the Palestinians tonight, I have
(26:13):
all my answers for that. We can have a conversation.
I don't want to see little kids get killed. I'm
not looking forward to that. But at the same time,
it's not the Israeli's fault that Hamas built their tunnels
underneath hospitals at schools.
Speaker 10 (26:29):
Right of course, But you know there's also the fact
checking the gods of health ministry. I mean, I have
to say, that's not why that is quoted every day,
is well.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
That is because of the lack of courage in the
news media. The news media, And this is the dirty
little secret of the news media. I worked in in
a long time in television and there are too many people.
I'm not talking about the people I worked with, I'm
talking about generally. There's a lot of people get into
the media and they would rather be with the crowd,
(27:01):
even if it meant being wrong. Then take a chance
and take a different point of view. You know, I
can tell you stories I did that people thought I
had gone over to the dark side. When I fought
for the freedom of four men who had been wrongfully
and intentionally convicted by corrupt FBI agents Boston got him
out of jail. They won one hundred and sixteen million
(27:22):
dollars from the federal government. And I had colleagues of
mine who apologized to me and said, we thought you
had gone over the dark side.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Right, Well, I thank you.
Speaker 10 (27:32):
I mean, you have good morals, and you know we
appreciate and love you for your support and for having
these conversations.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, thank you very much. I will never stop as
long as I have use of this microphone, and I
will never I learned at the dinner table about World
War Two and what was done in World War two,
and I saw it in person when I went to
Auschwitz in nineteen eighty six and filed reports from Auschwitz.
And I'm very proud I'm sitting here looking at an
emmy word for the reports that I filed from Auschwitz.
(28:02):
It wasn't my skill, it was just the story was
so profound. When you stood there and you realized that
the firing wall with literally the German soldiers would stand
fifteen feet away from the from the Jewish prisoners who
were about to be killed. They could they literally could
see you know, every here on their head, and they
(28:26):
shot from fifteen feet away. I mean it was and
I showed that. I showed that my pleasure, in my
honor and my duty. Thank you so much for please
continue to call this program and support this. Thank you much.
(28:46):
Let me go next to building Pennsylvania. Bill, going to
get you in here before the break or right ahead.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
Bill, Dan, what you were just talking about. I can't understand.
H So you you you went to Auschwitz and that
what you saw over there changed your mind. But you
know it didn't change.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
No, it didn't change my mind. It reinforced what my
what my dad had taught on my brother and me
at the dinner table. He was a veteran of World
War two, and he talked about the Holocaust to us
when we were you know, when we were you know,
ten and eleven and twelve. He didn't talk about it
we were three and four.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
No, but I'm saying here in America, okay, we uh
the public here in America, Dan, we haven't seen any
anything hardly at all, about what what uh atrocities happened
on this day two years ago? And I turned I
turned the television on this morning, and you know that
I watched four different stations, and uh, three out of
(29:41):
the flour this morning. They their their first thirty seconds
maybe was uh you know, some of the clipping, some
of the some of the films of the Hamas coming
in and and then are immediately they cut and then
all you saw for the next three minutes was Gaza
and the suffering at Gaza.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
So well, that's that is just misleading.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
It's not journalism. I don't know what you want to
call it. It's telling a story. It's it gets to
the point of almost being propaganda.
Speaker 9 (30:12):
Yep, yep, I agree with that. Now listen, didn't it
didn't the Israelis give gods back to the uh. Let's
let the palace listen dan as far as far as
back as I can remember. The Democrats in the United
States back to Palestinians. Okay as far no.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
No, no, no. I don't think that's fair. I don't
think that's fair. The Democrats generally have been in favor
of what it was called the Two States Solution, which
was Basically, I viewed it as an imposition on the
state of Israel. Who do we what right do we
have to tell? It would be like if all of
a sudden England was telling us that we had to
give Texas back to Mexico. I mean, you know, and
(30:55):
and and and that's that's you know. I think that
has to have been decided by Israel. And Israel decided
to give Gaza to the Palestinians. And they voted in
Jumas and that was the last election. That was like
in two thousand and five, and there were no following
up up elections.
Speaker 9 (31:13):
Okay. But what I'm saying is I can remember vividly, okay,
of Yasa Arafat, Okay, getting all that everybody held him
up in the Democrat Party. They loved Arafat.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (31:26):
Then I see all these students, okay, that are against
Israel for the last three or four years on these campuses.
One of your guests mentioned that a one of your callers,
and I look at that, and I can tell you, okay,
all those people, all those people in the in the
in the in the campuses that are that are pro Palestinians.
(31:46):
That are the same people Okay, they support the same
party in the United States as the party that were
for Arafit.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I don't think. And again, I let you say what
you wanted. I'm not gonna, you know, scrub your remark.
But I don't think the Democrats loved Arafat. I think
the Democrats viewed Arafought for what he was when he
spoke at the United Nations. I'll never forget the picture
he had the pistol hanging off his his his hip,
you know. So, uh, no one ever thought he was
(32:17):
a good guy. I don't think. But no, no, no,
I think I think that I'm just telling you. Let
me agree with you to some extent. I think that
Donald Trump is all in for Israel. I think it's
a while when there's been a Democratic president who was
all in for Israel.
Speaker 9 (32:33):
Yeah, and I remember, now, I got a question for you,
Dan the Palate when they stay Palestinians? Okay, did they? Okay,
so the majority of the Palestinians are Muslims.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
No, actually there's a lot of them that are Christian Catholic.
Speaker 9 (32:48):
Well, what I can put for Sentage's Muslims? Then I
don't understand.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I don't have those numbers and I'm not going to
try to fog in give you numbers like that. I'll
try to I'll try to look them up here. Okay,
but I gotta because I got you before the break.
But we've gone by.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
Thanks yeah, thanks, thanks, thanks for thanks for enlightening that.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm just telling you the
facts is I know them. That's all. Thanks Bill, Talk
to you soon. Have a great one, good night. Coming
back on nights Side, the only line six one, seven thirty.
Try to get I know I have Mike, Jeff and
Matt and I got room for you at six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. It's been an interesting night. This has been
a good night side. A lot of new voices, a
(33:29):
lot of voices I haven't heard from before. I enjoy that.
Coming back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I owe Bill an apology. The majority of Palestinians are Muslim,
with ninety eight percent of the Palestinians identifying as Sunni Muslim.
Christianity is the main minority, with about fifty two thousand Christians,
and I believe that most of those Christians are Catholic
(34:00):
or some version. So Bill, you were right on that.
I appreciate the check on it, and I got it
for you. Let me go to Jeff and thingsbro. Jeff
you next time nights, I want to give you and
three more in Jeff, go right ahead.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
How you doing good? Yeah? So first off, I'm one
hundred percent Jewish, longtime listener, first time.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Caller, you know, well, thank you very much, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
So a couple of things. A lot of people forget
that after World War Two, the you know, Israel was
created and it was supposed to be they were supposed
to split Jerusalem, okay, And the big issue you run
into is that they were supposed to split Jerusalem West Bank,
you know, going in Golden Heids and yeah, yeah Heights
(34:46):
and the Gaza shrip. They were all supposed to be
technically Muslim or Palestine. That's the idea, and then Israel
state was all mixed out the rest of it. But
what people forget is that people, you know, Muslims and
Palestinians technically lived in those Jewish now Jewish areas for
thousands of generations or hundreds of.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Generations, sold in Jewish people.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Not much though when you think about it, because.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
We According to one article I'm looking at here, by
more than a thousand years, Israel predates Palestine. And also,
by the way, a lot of the areas you're talking about,
Israel was attacked immediately by its Arab neighbors in nineteen
forty eight, and again in nineteen sixty seven, and again
(35:33):
in the Six Day War of nineteen seventy three, and
they won there. In sixty nine, they won back territories.
You know that they fall more. Yeah, okay, good enough.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
I just want to make sure, no I know. But originally,
what I'm saying is that when people forget you're someone
that said earlier that they didn't understand what kind of
caused these people to hate the Jews, you know, the Palaestinians.
But you have to realize that if you live somewhere
that now some other government was owned by Britain, and
(36:04):
Britain gave it to Israel and Palestine, and.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Then the United Nations gave it to Israel and Palestine.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
The money was made by the money, their money was
made by Britain. But either way, give me.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I'm a little tight on time here and I got
three others. Yeah, what's your bottom mine? Give me your
bottom line.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
So the idea is that people, you know, if you
lived in a place for you know, one hundred generations
and then these Israelis came in and told you to
get out, and now you're going to be putting ghettos
in the West Bank pretty much, because that's what's there.
They're all caged in, and there's a highway that goes
right through that only Jews are allowed to use, and
you have to go through checkpoints every day, and they're
pretty much if you look at before October seventh of
(36:43):
two years ago, the amount of Palestinians killed by Jews
was thousands and thousands every year and then all of
a sudden October seventh.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Okay, so to you, to you, does that mean it
to you October seventh was justified?
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Or no? Not at all?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Good?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
At the same time, let's.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Let's do this. Think the next time I want you
to call, please call earlier so I can give you
much more time because we'll have a great conversation. But
I got three other people here who I'm trying to accommodate.
So thank you for calling. Please call more often and
become a regular call You're a great caller. Thank you
all right, all right, let me get Mike and Maryland. Mike,
you gotta be real quick for for Christine and Matt
(37:21):
and want to get you all in.
Speaker 12 (37:21):
Go ahead, Mike, Oh, definitely, definitely, now me in because
I'm gonna keep you. You got a great show up there,
all right, lock me in on this. And Maryland, he's
got Maryland contact.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
Anyway.
Speaker 12 (37:34):
My position when it comes down to this situation about
the ending of wars through this administration, that.
Speaker 9 (37:43):
It will end.
Speaker 12 (37:44):
It's gonna have to end. He's gonna win over everything
been pretty much wars since the beginning of the time. Territory,
religion like no other, with America being so much infiltrated
in so many nations in the world, and when world training,
what have you. It's affecting American now, affecting the churches,
(38:05):
it's affecting our way of life, it's affecting. Yeah, I'm
a Democrat, god forsaken Democrat, but the whole Democratic Party
needs to go and needs to start over again.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Fair enough, Mike, Mike, you made a really interesting point.
I'm trying to give about thirty seconds to two other
callers who are also called late. Please, I'm on from
eight to midnight. I'm here for you five nights a week.
Come on your first time caller.
Speaker 12 (38:33):
Too, right, absolutely absolutely not the first time call. And
you're reaching down here.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Oh yeah, we reached, we reached thirty eight states, Mike,
trust me, trust me, we have.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
A huge reach.
Speaker 12 (38:45):
You are you are a democratic state?
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yes? Sure, just like Maryland. I got to run, Mike.
I got other folks here on onet with colleague. Thank
you much, thank you much, Matt. I can give you
thirty seconds, I apologize your regular call and hit it.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
Go ahead, Matt.
Speaker 13 (39:01):
You know I appreciate it. To the other caller, absolute
ludicrous for this comments about Israel and all of these things.
Speaker 14 (39:15):
But look, the only thing I can ask quickly, because
it's just a question, is look now when some of
these views are portrayed.
Speaker 13 (39:28):
Can Israel having an a chance to improve and have
a chance and this you know, basic feel that's going on?
Speaker 2 (39:42):
All right, Matt. I got to get one more and
thank you for that question. I appreciate how much time
I got rob one minute. Okay, thank you, Matt. Christine,
I can give you twenty seconds. You got it, go ahead, Christine?
Speaker 8 (39:54):
Is this who dan that there's still like people being
held over since everything has happened.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, there's the Israeli hostages are still over there. Yeah
that we hope to see them released at some point
in the next few days. We'll see I hope. So
two years, over five hundred days, okay, thanks Christine. Actually
over six hundred days, seven hundred days, Thanks Christine.
Speaker 8 (40:18):
Let's have peace in the world.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Listen, that's true, okay, Rob, how much time? Thirty seconds? Okay?
End as always, everybody, thank you so much for listening.
I will be on Facebook in a couple of minutes.
Nights out with Dan ray Rob, Thank you, Mariita, Thank you,
All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's
my pal Charlie ray Is, who passed fifteen years ago
in February. That's why all your pets are re passed.
(40:41):
They loved you, you love them. I do believe you'll
see them again. See again tomorrow night. On night's side. Everyone,
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