October 6, 2025 • 40 mins
A visiting Harvard Law Professor was arrested for allegedly firing a pellet rifle outside a Brookline synagogue where congregants were marking the start of Yom Kippur. Carlos Portugal Gouvêa told police he was “hunting for rats” and not aware he lived next to a synagogue or that it was a religious holiday. While leaders at the synagogue say there is no reason to believe this was an antisemitic event, doesn't it seem common sense that you probably shouldn’t "hunt rats" openly with a BB gun without knowing your surroundings? Do you have a similar example where someone had a lack of common sense, where you would assume they knew better?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's nice with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
By the way, before we thank you very much Dan Watkins.
Before we get to our topic for the eleven o'clock hour,
which is a Harvard Law School professor who finds himself
in a little bit of trouble. We'll get to that
in a second, but I do want to mention I
was off on Friday night. I want again say thanks
to Bradley Jay who sat in for me on Friday
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Lobell and lou Tilly. So that's we'll leave it at
that for now, And I wish all of you could
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have been there. So you know, if you become a
professor at Harvard Law School, you're supposed to be a
pretty smart guy. So there's a visiting professor at Harvard
Law School. And look, there's no more prestigious school, I
guess law school than Harvard Law School when you think
about it, maybe Yale I went to Boston University Law School.
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But I have lots of friends at Harvard, some of
whom many of them graduated, many of them taught there.
So last Wednesday was Jam Kapor. I think most people,
whether the Jewish or not, realize Kapoor is a very
important day started the new year. David Toweman and all
of that. And police say that on Wednesday night or
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ant nine o'clock in Brookline, Brookline, very near the Beth
Zion Synagogue, around nine o'clock, so it's very dark, and
someone shot a rifle twice. Well, that caused a great
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deal of consternation and concern, and a security guard approached
an individual who was standing behind a tree, and the
individual apparently ran away and actually got into I guess
a little bit of a pushing match, according to one
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of the articles I've read, with the security guard. When
police arrived a few minutes later, the security guard told
them where the individual had run into a nearby building,
and the this is this article is out of the
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New York Times so it's made the New York Times.
He's a visiting professor at Harvard fired a pelagan near
a synagogue ring a Young Kapoor service. The writer writes,
when the Jewish community was on edge of a rise
in anti Semitic violence, yeah, I can understand that now.
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Harmid Dillon, who heads the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division,
is quoted in this New York Times article by Vemal
Patel wrote on social media, do not mess with houses
of worship or people of faith in our country, and
Ami Dilon said she's on it. The visiting professor, Carlos
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Portugal Golvella, is a law professor in Brazil, been placed
on administrative leave as the school investigates the matter. Harvard
Law School spokesman said the synagogue Temple Bethel Zions a
couple of miles south of Harvard in Brookline, Massachusetts. When
private security guards her to noise outside the synagogue went
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into lockdown. One of the gods saw a man with
a rifle behind a large tree and went to investigate.
It was Professor Govilla with his pelic gun. He placed
the gun against the tree and then when one of
the private security guards tried to arrest him, engaged in
a brief physical struggle and ran off. According to a
police report, He was arrested without incidents by the Brookline
Police afterwards at his resident. He faces several charges, including
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illegally discharging a pelic gun, disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct,
and damage to personal property. The damaged charge of felony
refers to a car that the police say was damaged
by a fire pellet. Now Professor Govia did not respond
to a request from the Times for comment. A lawyer
for the professor said this is a total misunderstanding of
an entirely innocent situation, and denied that antisemitism was a factor. Okay, look,
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I don't know what happened here, but if you take
the best case possible, okay. Leaders of the synagogue apparently
told police the individual was aware that he lived next
to and was shooting his b begun next to the synagogue.
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How do you live next to a synagogue and not
know a synagogue is there? The police added, it's also
potentially dangerous to use a bb gun in such a
populated spot, but it does not appear to have been
fueled by anti Semitism. This guy said.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
He was out shooting rats. Now, I guess Brookline, like
many communities here in East.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Then Massachusetts, does have a problem with rats. But I
suspect that the Harvard professor, the visiting professor, is going
to be given a free pass on this.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Okay, he said one.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
He wasn't available, He wasn't aware that it was jam Kaport,
which is kind of a big day in the Jewish religion.
That he lived next to a synagogue. I know that synagogue.
It's pretty clear that it's a synagogue. Okay, if you'll
live next door to it. Now, the New York Times article,
which of course is very favorable to this guy, said
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this man, well, let me read the paragraph. At a
ceremony at Harvard on Sunday night would have been last night,
held him one of the victims of the himas Let
attack on Israel two years ago, Rabbi Hershey Zarkai of
Harvard Chabad tried to reassure the crowd that the Brookline
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synagogue incident was not motivated by anti Semitism. This man
is married to a Jewish woman and has Jewish children,
and it's absolutely nothing to do with targeting the Jewish community.
Rabbi Zarkai sent a professor Govea. According to the Harvard Crimson,
we can all take a sigh of relief. That's good news.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
But my question is, if this guy's married to a.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Jewish woman, which I assume he is, and if he
has Jewish children, you think he might have known that
it was Jan Kaport? Or am I making a wrong assumption?
Do you think that if you moved into a neighborhood
and you're visiting law school professor, you might not realize
you live next to a synagogue. So my question is
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if this guy wasn't a Harvard Law School professor. Let's
assume I don't know, he lived in the street and
he was a plumber, or he was an uber driver,
or he was I don't know, an electrical he was
a construction worker.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Do you think everybody would be making excuses for this guy?
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
First of all, the guy has to be kind of
a knucklehead not to know your neighborhood. I don't know
how long he's been teaching at Harvard, even if you
just started last week was the last I think? Correct
me if I'm wrong that on Wednesday night, the calendar
page had turned from September to October. So I got
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to assume even if this guy was there for just
the first month, let's give him that he didn't know
he was living next with synagogue, and he didn't know
that firing a pellet gun, which I don't think would
have sounded as lard as loud as a regular gun.
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But do you think if the guy was just a
regular American citizen who had a gun license and maybe
knew what he was doing, that the cops, the authorities
in Brookline, not the police, would give him a break.
But do you think that the DA's office. I don't
think so. I don't think so. I got a sense
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that because this guy's a Harvard Law School professor, this
case is going.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
To be roomed. But it wouldn't be broomed.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
If it was a regular blue collar American who was
out there doing the exact same thing at the exact time.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine,
three one ten thirty are the two.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Sets of justice in America. There may be more than two.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I think there is one for Harvard Law School professors,
and we will find out in the weeks ahead. Back
on Nightside, right, after this, you're.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
On night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Guyt's go to the phones, and again, I'm I would
love to know that the premise of my doing this story,
no one was injured. But do you think that the
average Massachusetts citizen resident would get as much consideration as
I think the Harvard Law school professor we'll receive. I'm
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betting the Harvard Law School professor this is like brushed
under the rug. But if it was a regular guy,
regular person, man or woman from Massachusetts, oh, I think
there'd be some consequences if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Prove me wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Here's Cordelia down in Maryland. Cordelia, I haven't talked to
you in a long time. Welcome back.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Well, thank you, my dear. It has been quite a while.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I hope you're still listening to me down there.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Oh yes, please please listen to you. You know, we
know you've been with them a pretty long time. You know,
we go back even I think I was talking to
you in the eighties. Also not on the.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Radio, you were, and I was in television in Boston
here in the eighties, nineties and into up to two
thousand and Nive We started year nineteen on this show
this month on October first, So it's been you and
I have talked since at least two thousand and seven, Cordelia.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Whenever I don't hear from one of.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
My regular callers, particularly a caller who I liked, like you.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I'll just get a little worried.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I'm thinking, Gee, I hope that nothing bad has happened.
No one's been sick. Are you still? Are you still good?
And I hope your husband's good as well?
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Yes, everything's mind and yeah. So anyway, but what she
was saying about this family of being Jewish, now maybe
because this gentleman's wife is Jewish and the children are Jewish.
Now is the professor himself Jewish? So is he a different?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
No, he's a he. I believe he's Hispanic. He's a
visiting professor who lives in Brazil, and Harvard likes to
bring you in visiting professors.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So I'm just.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Saying that he's a He should be small enough to
know you don't want around an urban neighborhood with a
gun nine o'clock at night, whether it's Yam Kapoor, but
especially not on Yam Kapoor and fire a couple of
pellet shots and then his and by the way, apparently
one of his he wasn't a very good shot. I
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guess one of his shots hit an automobile and took out,
you know, either the side window or the front windshield.
And the bullet that was found in the car was
matches his pellet gun. I mean, you know, this is
a Harvard Law School professor who you would think would
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be a little observant and say, oh, I live near
a synagogue.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
It's yam Kapor. This is probably not even if he's
telling the truth. Let's assume he's telling.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
The truth that he was out trying to shoot a
rodent a rat, you know. I mean, I don't know
how you how you do that at nine o'clock at night,
to be honest with you, unless she cuts sort of
a laser because those rats are pretty quick.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah, yeah, they're pretty quick. But I tell you, damn uh.
Those people I tell you that are Spanish or whatever
wherever he's from, in those areas, Brazil, those people, yeah,
they do things like even Brazil, they were shoot at
rats because they do those things for hobbies. Because we
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found that out, you know, when we went my husband,
my first husband, and I went to Brazil in sixty six,
went many many years ago, and the young people, that's
what they do. The young ones are shooting at rats
in the you know, the low income areas, because we
were told that when we visited Brazil. And yeah, so
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there's something that's not not you know, it's something that
you know that they do. And maybe that's what he
was doing that night.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well maybe he was, but I think his timing and
his time of night and his judgment. And I Brookline
is a really urban part of It's not part of Boston.
It's a it's a separate community, but it's kind of
nestled between a part of by Jamaica Plane, very close
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to the city. It's all you almost feel you're in
the city. It's an urban area. And I know the
street that this temple, this synagogue was on, and I
mean it's like, buddy, use your head, use your head here.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You know. I mean it's nine o'clock at night.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
We've had some ugly incidents where you don't we don't
need that.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Cordelia.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I'm so happy to hear you've always Unfortunately, I'm coming
up with my newscast and I gotta I gotta let
you go, but come on back more off, Okay, And
I just just reassure me that everybody's.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Doing well in your family. That's all I care.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Great.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I want to let you know I love you right.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Back at you, Cordelia, Thank you so much, talk soon.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
One of my longtime listeners Cordelia from Maryland.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
And she's a beautiful, lovely, lovely woman.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Okay, I got wide open lines here.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I kind of imagine some of you don't want to
comment on this Harvard law professor who did something really dumb. Okay,
he may be a law professor, but this was really
dumb to walk out of your apartment building at nine
o'clock while a service is going on at the temple
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that the synagogue next door and decide, well, you know
what I need to do tonight.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I'm not gonna watch the Red Sox and the Yankees.
I'm not gonna whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I'm gonna go out and just like Mitt Romney talked
about how he'd like to go hunt varmits, remember that
from twenty twelve, which people laughed at. Imagine if this person,
instead of being a Harvard Law school professor, was just
a regular person, a regular guy, oh or gal from
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Brookline who made the same mistake. I think there'd be
a lot more made of it, and that's why I'm
bringing it to your attention, because again, I think that
a lot of people who own firearms legally in Massachusetts
go through a lot of aggravation. Some of it is necessary,
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a lot of it is unnecessary. And I'm asking for
your thoughts on this. Harvard Law School professor six one
seven two five four ten thirty six one seven nine
three ten thirty, whether you agree with me or not.
If you agree with me, love to hear from you.
If you disagree with me, love to hear from you.
It just doesn't make sense. Would you here's my question.
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Would you take a rifle, a b begne, pellet gun,
whatever you want to call it, and at nine o'clock
at night, walk out onto a relatively main drag in
Brookline and go rat hunting? I mean it, it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Hold water at all at all.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Six months seven two five four ten thirty six months
seven nine three one ten thirty And when it when
you think it's a Harvard Law School professor, they're supposed
to be pretty smart, and they are pretty smart guys.
I would hold this guy to even a higher standard,
but I don't think that will happen. And I'd love
to get your input on it. You can agree, you
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can disagree. Let's have a little fun with it as well.
Thank goodness, it wasn't someone who was there exercising their
misguided anti semitism. This was a guy who just wasn't thinking.
Back on Nightside after the News at the bottom of the.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Hour, it's Nightside with Dan Ray, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
All right, if this is not something that is of
interest to you, we can move on to other matters. Okay,
It's as simple as that. In the meantime, let me
go to George in Bridgewater. It's funny I always get George.
A lot of my calls will say, how come you
don't do more on gun rights here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
And I thought tonight that.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
A lot of the people who have had experienced difficult
times with, you know, with their Second Amendment rights would
be interested in this.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I think that this Harvard law professor.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Is gonna basically not have any inconvenience here, but he
just wasn't thinking.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And in my opinion, George, welcome to Nightside. How are you?
How are you?
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Yeah? Pretty good?
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Damn my buddy.
Speaker 8 (22:45):
You know what I'm thinking more of with this case
is the stupidity involved with this guy. Can you imagine
if two bossing cops you know, come up from behind him,
and you know, of course they say drop your weapon,
and he didn't, and he turns around and that maybe
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accidentally points to the weapon. After two cops, he would
have had nineteen bullets in him.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Well, hope not.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
I mean, I mean, which you know would be a travesty.
But I mean, you know, I like that saying that
we've heard for the past, you know, five ten years.
You can't fix stupid. This guy is stupid.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, well that's the point.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I mean, first of all, you're in a he's from Brazil, okay. Yeah,
you know he's a law professor at Harvard Okay, so
we assume that the intellectual capacity is there. But yes,
just I mean it would be like if I was
in Brazil visiting somewhere, I would make sure that I
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knew my surroundings. I would like to make sure that
I would know what the what the popular culture was,
what was acceptable almost not acceptable. You know, Brookline has
a substantial Jewish population. Fine, yeah, and he's living next
to a synagogue. Fine, and on Yam Kapoor, he decides, well,
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this is a great night to take my pellet gun.
First of all, if he's visiting here from Brazil, what
else he got a pellant gun for?
Speaker 8 (24:18):
I mean, no, my god, this guy could have got killed.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
And I'm gonna and I'm gonna go out and and
and wing a couple of rodents tonight.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I don't get it.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
He at nine o'clock at night. I mean, I don't care.
But nine o'clock in the morning to nine o'clock at night,
you're walking around with a long gun in this city,
You're gonna get You're gonna get You're gonna get shot
because nobody knows it a pellet gun.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
And then also also apparently you know, after he had fired, uh,
he was spotted hiding behind a tree. What was he
hiding from the rodents? He didn't want the rodents to
see him. Then when a security guard goes over confronts him,
I guess he gets in a bit of a tussle
with the security guard and takes off.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I mean, talk about.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
In the law, professor, we call an action like that
consciousness of guilt.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Oh, oh my god.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
I don't know what he teaches over there, but if
I couldn't get hit the Harvard anyway, but I wouldn't
want him as a professor.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Well, it's I mean, it's it's it's pathetic almost, and
that it's an embarrassment to Harvard, which I'm more than answer.
I have family members who did very well at Harvard
and all of that, and I know you to hurt
Harvard or anything, but it just shows that even people
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who might be very book smart don't have a lot
of streets smarts.
Speaker 8 (25:49):
No, they don't. Dan when I work for IBM for
thirty thirty five years and half of them will hobbard mit.
I mean they were all a brainy x good people,
good people to work work with, you know, you learn
something every day, but none of them were this stupid. Yeah,
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I'm sure your two kids have done really well, and
uh they must be. I don't know if they've read
this report, but i'd be shaking their head right now.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
One Well, it'll be I mean, it'll be interesting to
see how this gets handled in the courts. Now, I
think Brookline and I stand to be corrected. I think
Brookline is either Norfolk or Middlesex County. I should look
it up here, so that would depend on which district
attorney would have to deal this.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I mean, yeah, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
If there's a penalty for discharge of a firearm within
you know, so many feet of a synagogue or or
you know, a church or a synagogue. I assume they
must be. I don't know if a BB gun fits
into that category.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I hope the police investigated fully, and I hope we
get a final report on the George Simples that, you know, because.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
I like, yeah, i'd like to see him get fired dandy,
honest with you, I just don't think he deserves to
be well.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I guess he's on a leave of absence, so it
hasn't been whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, and we'll see, and we'll see.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
We reached out, by the way, my producer did reach
out today to his office, and surprisingly we haven't heard back.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Well you won't, you.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Won't, thanks, George.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
I mean, I'm thinking the worst. I don't want this
guy to get hurt. But you know, I know Brazil
is a gun toting country, much more so than America,
but they all carry side arms. I've watched a lot
of those videos of them attacking course.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
But anyway, look, George, thanks so much.
Speaker 8 (28:01):
Good night, my buddy. You have a good night.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Thanks George, thank you so good night. Let me let
me keep rolling here. The only lines open right now.
Well there's one at six one seven, two five four
ten thirty, and there's one at six one seven nine
three one ten thirty.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Let me go to Daniel in Worcester. Daniel, welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Go right ahead, sir, Thank you very much, Dan, I
thank you for bringing up this topic. I just want
to say, you know, you know, learning, we learn, We
can learn from any situation. Sometimes we can learn from
almost stupid people. And I just want when you when
you brought this up, it reminded me of you know,
something that happened to me at hab It's Grade nineteen
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twenty nine. Okay, the first the first time that I
ever met I came across, you know, a group of
policemen actually after midnight, and I was of whole places
at that very stupid thing. Usually during the day I
would go and sit and have it. We had to
read books and so on, because I want to to
real On the other side, of the river because it
was because gun violes and so on. So this because
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this time and after midnight, my my eight year old
son had had asked me to buy my a thing
called a telescope. So I bought my telescope and haved.
Y had was a little lit, but the Rightcliffe College,
the women's college was was in the dark, so that
was the best place for to actually go watch the
stars from. So we are there. Next thing, you know,
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a group of policemen show up and they have been
told that there's some men, there's some black men out
in the in the in the pointing, pointing either guns
or telescopes, eavesdropping in the women's dormitories.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
So that I had.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
It was a stupid thing I had done, but thank
god I had my eight year old sun there so
and the policeman can be very reasonable. So they looked
and said, wait a minute, No, he couldn't be. He
couldn't be snooping on the women. Why would he bring
his eight year old boy? Yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
I said?
Speaker 7 (29:53):
I said, they're working the staff, you're watching the sky.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Why are you here?
Speaker 7 (29:56):
I said, because it's that here.
Speaker 9 (29:57):
We couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, yeah, I I'm familiar with with those dormitories, which
I'm very familiar with those those are a little further
away from Harvard Square.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
So yeah, a lot of the ambient lights.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
I'm good. There was pretty much was patient, listen and
look at and said, no, what he's thinking is right,
and just be he's just exactly stupid. So you know,
so I hope, I hope, I hope the man he
has talking the truth and and I and I want to.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Know what, well, I mean, maybe maybe he can take
a uh uh, a plea of abject stupidity.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Maybe we could we could come up with.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
Him with them play which I which I plead even
though even though I've been this club and toble that
clubs and books. But but but my client is prepared
to to plead to a sufficiency of of of the facts.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
And abject stupidity, your honor, if you'll accept that play.
Speaker 9 (30:56):
Yes, I grew up in a binary republic, but not
not the street on the street, so so you know,
the first time I got to I number an area
was when I was twelve, went to boarding school, and
I put, I put, I put those those those staff
that I saw you on lump pus and they told
me no, they had lumps.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
But anyway, all.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Right, Daniel, thank you much.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I'm gonna let you go here because I got to
get to my break.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Thank you, my friend, thank you so much too.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
From one Daniel to another, We're coming back on night
Side right after the break.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
All right, let's get back to the phones where we're
gonna go next. My friend Patrick in Charlestown. I know
Patrick's gonna have an interesting take on this topic. Hi, Patrick,
I just welcome.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
I just think that Harvard's had a really good run
with outstanding professors here. So just to what a couple
of months ago, they had an honesty researcher uh fired
for committing fraud in or research. So that was doctor
Francesca Gino. I missed you never covered that story.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
I missed it.
Speaker 8 (32:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Look I'm not omnipotent, Okay, I mean I I missed
some stories here. Patrick never hesitate to let me know.
By the way, you always you can work as We'll
give you a producer credit if you give me a
good suggestion.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Look that one up, Look that one up. Honesty researcher
at Harvard fired for fraud and or research. I think
it'll be a good, good story. Uh. And then h
of course you had the famous Henry Lewis Gates junior
who U who told the cop, told the cop that
said is your mom out to the cop and took
(32:43):
the ride in the free ride in the police.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Card Sergeant Crowley, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Yeah, the national incident.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
By the way, who's really by the way, Crowley, Who's
a really good guy. I bumped into him one time
and I really felt he he was a guy with
a lot of integrity. I think Gates was fairly tired.
He had just come back from some halfway around the
world trip and things like that can happen. But again,
he pulled He tried to pull rank and it didn't
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quite work out too well.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Although we got there the.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Beer with Joe Biden and Barack Obama at the White House,
remember the beer summit.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
I want to we want to be judged on my
worst moments either, So we'll let it. We'll let that
be in the past. I'm just saying, arbaitat quite a run,
and this story is there's no way.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
You can have Patrick. We could you can add the
president of Harvard who had to resign because she couldn't
really answer questions in front of Congress, Claudian Gay.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Well, she also she also committed fraud in her dissertation,
which well.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Those are the allegations. But I'm not you know, I'm
not an expert, so I can't. I do know what.
I know that she had a rough day in front
of Congress, and I'm willing to leave it there because
I don't know. You know, fraud is very important. Is
that's a very strong word, Patrick, if you get my drift.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
So you don't want to slander or I respect that. So, uh,
you know the other thing, I was just reading through
this and it says it's a rifle. It's a pellet
rifle in the Boston Globe article. Not that anything the
Boston Globe could be trusted, but it al it's a
pellet rifle, not even a pellet here, God damn, looking
at the story right now.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, No, it's it's a rifle. Yeah, it's a pellet rifle.
You're right, So, because that could have been a real problem.
I just think that you've got to be aware of
your surroundings wherever you are.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
I mean, that's what you accept the premise that this
guy was rat hunting. I can't when when something is
so crazy that the premise maker scratch your head, it's
obviously untrue. So I don't know what this guy was.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I never knew, and I know Brookline pretty well. I
didn't realize that there was that there were people out
who were hunting varmints like Mitt Romney and going after
rats at nine.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
O'clock at night.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Uh, you know, look O the country would say, what's
the big deal A guy has a gun. I mean
he has a right to have an other This ision
other parts of the country. It's with the liberal most liberal.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
So what I'm saying is that if this guy was
was a blue collar guy, he would have had he
would have been in big trouble.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
And I think that this guy will will skate on
this one. I mean that dog, I gotta run.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
There's only we can only you know, a kid to
close to thislander so many times during one phone call.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
We don't know any of that.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Thanks Patrick, will talk to Let me go to dot dot,
keep me safe, go ahead dot.
Speaker 10 (35:47):
Hi, Dani. You know we do know this boob of
a professor is one answer. I've got the answer. Yeah,
call President Trump. He'll put him on the first playing
ship Brazil and have it. Will pay for the ticket.
(36:08):
President Trump will take care of him.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah. I don't think that probably it's going to rise
to that level.
Speaker 10 (36:14):
I think it should. I think it should because if
it was just some poor sap, he'd be in all
kinds of troubles. Guys, this guy's gonna have a big
cover up. No, let President Trump know about it.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Well.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I don't know if President Trump listens to my show,
but if he does, he should know about it now.
And I'm sure we can make a call with your
exhortation knowing.
Speaker 10 (36:44):
Hey, why not, he doesn't. He doesn't deserve to be
around here. We don't need yoyos like that.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
All right, don I'm so glad I opened this can
of worms.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Eggs. Dog talk soon, Okay, good night, there goes dog.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Bill is in Easton, Hey, Bill, welcome next one night
side Bill garrettahead.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
And brook Line is Norfolk County. And as far as
pellet rifles, I don't discharge the firearms different. You know,
five hundred feet from a dwelling. When it comes to vernment,
I think is Uh, there is a little it's a
little more laid back. But like if you were hunting squirrels,
(37:34):
you know, with a pellet, you'd actually need a hunting license.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Well again, I'm not going to get into the difference
between a rodent and a squirrel.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
And I will only say that I think, right, it's
just incredibly bad judgment.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
And then if he was, if he was.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
A regular blue collar guy who gags in the same
sort of ignorance activity in that proximity to synagogue on
jan Kapor, one of the holiest nights of the year,
I can't believe that the guy didn't realize who was
living next to a synagogue. O. Hey, wake up and
smell the coffee, professor. Okay, that's all I'm trying to say.
(38:17):
All right, thanks Bill, appreciate you called Tim and Wilburn.
You're gonna wrap it up first, Tim, go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
I didn't May thanks to taking my car.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I had good day, Ray Kary reads back on the radio.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Well not on this program, Tim, so do me a favorite.
No plugs of other radio programs or newscasts or whatever.
I'm kind of I'm done with Karen Reid, to be honest,
with you. I know that you are very supportive of her,
and I think that she should get her car back.
And I think that the criminal actions have been closed up,
(38:53):
and I think it's time for everybody to move on.
I think you're right. All right, Thanks Tim, I gotta let,
I gotta run. We're getting tight.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
You're called late.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Thank you much, Tim, have a great one. Good night. Okay,
done for the night.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
I want to thank everyone who called in.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Whatever the topic was, what we got? Thirty left here?
Rob about oh one minute, Oh, I got a little
time here. Wait a second, hold on, that's good. Let
me thank Rob, Let me thank Marita. Let me thank
all the callers. We had a bunch of interesting callers tonight.
And let me thank all the listeners again. Remember this
is Night Side with Dan Ray. Good guests like Lowry
(39:31):
callderone great topic like these knuckleheads who are doing donuts
and intersections and they need to get a life at
callers and stir and you got a talk show, simple
as that. I will end as always, All dogs, all cats,
all pets go to heaven.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
That's my pell.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Charlie Ray looking at a picture of him right now,
Handsome Cavali King Charles Spaniel. All those pets went to heaven.
They loved you when you loved them, and I do
belie if you're going to see them again. Hopes to
gain tomorrow night on Nightside, have a great Tuesday, everybody.
By the way, the WBC car guys on Thursday night
from ten to twelve, Larry and Scott will join us.
Take your calls on getting ready for the winter driving season.
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I will see you tomorrow night. I will be on
Facebook in just a moment.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Facebook. Nice hour, Dan Ray and you can go there.
You can check out some pictures from our reunion the
people of WBCTV the nineteen eighties. Good morning everyone,
It's nice with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
By the way, before we thank you very much Dan Watkins.
Before we get to our topic for the eleven o'clock hour,
which is a Harvard Law School professor who finds himself
in a little bit of trouble. We'll get to that
in a second, but I do want to mention I
was off on Friday night. I want again say thanks
to Bradley Jay who sat in for me on Friday
(00:27):
night gave me the opportunity to spend three and a
half hours with some of my colleagues at WBZTV during
the nineteen eighties. Bob O Bell was there at Casey
Kopp and Joyce called Haywick, the list, Hampton Pearson. The
list went on and on. People who were both on
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air and off air. Was organized by former news director
Peter Brown, Bob Males, who was an assignment desk leader.
There were people who I started with, the people who
went on to have great careers and in the business.
Carmen Fields was there. She said hello, there were just
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so many different people's. Ted Canova who went on to
become he had been an intern. He went on to
become the news director for seven years at w CCO
in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Lou Tilly, who worked with Bob Lobell
Alan Miller was there. I know, I'm gonna, you know,
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unfortunately not mention everybody. Freendzine Akbar who was one of
the management people at the time, Louis and reeb some
of our camera guys, Rick Maycumber and Danny Marauda from
South Boston who just great people, all of whom had
done very well after after being at w b Z,
(01:56):
I kind of stuck around in radio on the w
on the radio side. But again, former news directors Jeff
Rosser and Stan Hopkins each flew in, one from Oklahoma
from Tulsa, Oklahoma, the other from Florida. There Jacques k
Notts who was also living now in Florida. These are
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all people who some of whom some of whom you
would know, some of whom you wouldn't. Jennifer mclogan who
was a reporter at WBZ for a while and she's
now a reporter at WCBS in New York and has
been there for many, many years. It was just a
wonderful event. People were doing well. Some people brought pictures
(02:43):
from that we're on their cell phone. Donna Middlebrooks, one
of our really talented writers, was there. Simon editor, Cheryl
del Greco. And these are folks who you may or
may not know, but I just wanted to mention some
of their names. I haven't I haven't mentioned all of them.
Bob Davis, who used to was one of our great
directors in the control room. These were people who you
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lived in, you died with at a very competitive time
of television news here in Boston in the nineteen eighties,
and all of us had, you know, gotten a little
older and maybe a little brighter, maybe a little smarter,
but it was it was a really wonderful evening and
for all of us. Mike Krim, who went on and
worked at Channel five was a great editor, a tape
(03:31):
editor for us Ian g editor. And I know I've
missed some people, and I apologize for that. There were
even people who I missed while I was there. Andy
hill Or, who I worked with for many years, was there.
So when you see some of those folks in the
next few days, let them know that they got at
least a shout out here on night side. And it
was it was really, it was like it was almost
(03:54):
like a high school reunion or a college reunion where
people who you had worked alongside. And what was amazing
was how many of them had gone on to very
successful careers above and beyond WBCTV. So thanks to all,
and thanks particularly to Peter Brown and Bob Males who
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pulled that together. They were just Paula Palito, who has
had an incredible career. They were just on and on
and on. People who I set hello to, Will Bowers,
who I didn't get a chance to see. He was
a writer who flew in from San Diego. This was
a big event for WBCTV h and there were no
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cameras there. There were well, there were some still cameras.
Lots of pictures taken, and if you want to see
some of the pictures, just go to WBZ Nightside with
Dan Ray. There's a shot of yours truly with Bob
Lobell and lou Tilly. So that's we'll leave it at
that for now, And I wish all of you could
(04:58):
have been there. So you know, if you become a
professor at Harvard Law School, you're supposed to be a
pretty smart guy. So there's a visiting professor at Harvard
Law School. And look, there's no more prestigious school, I
guess law school than Harvard Law School when you think
about it, maybe Yale I went to Boston University Law School.
(05:22):
But I have lots of friends at Harvard, some of
whom many of them graduated, many of them taught there.
So last Wednesday was Jam Kapor. I think most people,
whether the Jewish or not, realize Kapoor is a very
important day started the new year. David Toweman and all
of that. And police say that on Wednesday night or
(05:45):
ant nine o'clock in Brookline, Brookline, very near the Beth
Zion Synagogue, around nine o'clock, so it's very dark, and
someone shot a rifle twice. Well, that caused a great
(06:06):
deal of consternation and concern, and a security guard approached
an individual who was standing behind a tree, and the
individual apparently ran away and actually got into I guess
a little bit of a pushing match, according to one
(06:30):
of the articles I've read, with the security guard. When
police arrived a few minutes later, the security guard told
them where the individual had run into a nearby building,
and the this is this article is out of the
(06:52):
New York Times so it's made the New York Times.
He's a visiting professor at Harvard fired a pelagan near
a synagogue ring a Young Kapoor service. The writer writes,
when the Jewish community was on edge of a rise
in anti Semitic violence, yeah, I can understand that now.
(07:13):
Harmid Dillon, who heads the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division,
is quoted in this New York Times article by Vemal
Patel wrote on social media, do not mess with houses
of worship or people of faith in our country, and
Ami Dilon said she's on it. The visiting professor, Carlos
(07:41):
Portugal Golvella, is a law professor in Brazil, been placed
on administrative leave as the school investigates the matter. Harvard
Law School spokesman said the synagogue Temple Bethel Zions a
couple of miles south of Harvard in Brookline, Massachusetts. When
private security guards her to noise outside the synagogue went
(08:01):
into lockdown. One of the gods saw a man with
a rifle behind a large tree and went to investigate.
It was Professor Govilla with his pelic gun. He placed
the gun against the tree and then when one of
the private security guards tried to arrest him, engaged in
a brief physical struggle and ran off. According to a
police report, He was arrested without incidents by the Brookline
Police afterwards at his resident. He faces several charges, including
(08:23):
illegally discharging a pelic gun, disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct,
and damage to personal property. The damaged charge of felony
refers to a car that the police say was damaged
by a fire pellet. Now Professor Govia did not respond
to a request from the Times for comment. A lawyer
for the professor said this is a total misunderstanding of
an entirely innocent situation, and denied that antisemitism was a factor. Okay, look,
(08:52):
I don't know what happened here, but if you take
the best case possible, okay. Leaders of the synagogue apparently
told police the individual was aware that he lived next
to and was shooting his b begun next to the synagogue.
(09:13):
How do you live next to a synagogue and not
know a synagogue is there? The police added, it's also
potentially dangerous to use a bb gun in such a
populated spot, but it does not appear to have been
fueled by anti Semitism. This guy said.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
He was out shooting rats. Now, I guess Brookline, like
many communities here in East.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Then Massachusetts, does have a problem with rats. But I
suspect that the Harvard professor, the visiting professor, is going
to be given a free pass on this.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Okay, he said one.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
He wasn't available, He wasn't aware that it was jam Kaport,
which is kind of a big day in the Jewish religion.
That he lived next to a synagogue. I know that synagogue.
It's pretty clear that it's a synagogue. Okay, if you'll
live next door to it. Now, the New York Times article,
which of course is very favorable to this guy, said
(10:18):
this man, well, let me read the paragraph. At a
ceremony at Harvard on Sunday night would have been last night,
held him one of the victims of the himas Let
attack on Israel two years ago, Rabbi Hershey Zarkai of
Harvard Chabad tried to reassure the crowd that the Brookline
(10:39):
synagogue incident was not motivated by anti Semitism. This man
is married to a Jewish woman and has Jewish children,
and it's absolutely nothing to do with targeting the Jewish community.
Rabbi Zarkai sent a professor Govea. According to the Harvard Crimson,
we can all take a sigh of relief. That's good news.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
But my question is, if this guy's married to a.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Jewish woman, which I assume he is, and if he
has Jewish children, you think he might have known that
it was Jan Kaport? Or am I making a wrong assumption?
Do you think that if you moved into a neighborhood
and you're visiting law school professor, you might not realize
you live next to a synagogue. So my question is
(11:24):
if this guy wasn't a Harvard Law School professor. Let's
assume I don't know, he lived in the street and
he was a plumber, or he was an uber driver,
or he was I don't know, an electrical he was
a construction worker.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Do you think everybody would be making excuses for this guy?
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
First of all, the guy has to be kind of
a knucklehead not to know your neighborhood. I don't know
how long he's been teaching at Harvard, even if you
just started last week was the last I think? Correct
me if I'm wrong that on Wednesday night, the calendar
page had turned from September to October. So I got
(12:13):
to assume even if this guy was there for just
the first month, let's give him that he didn't know
he was living next with synagogue, and he didn't know
that firing a pellet gun, which I don't think would
have sounded as lard as loud as a regular gun.
(12:34):
But do you think if the guy was just a
regular American citizen who had a gun license and maybe
knew what he was doing, that the cops, the authorities
in Brookline, not the police, would give him a break.
But do you think that the DA's office. I don't
think so. I don't think so. I got a sense
(12:55):
that because this guy's a Harvard Law School professor, this
case is going.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
To be roomed. But it wouldn't be broomed.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
If it was a regular blue collar American who was
out there doing the exact same thing at the exact time.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine,
three one ten thirty are the two.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Sets of justice in America. There may be more than two.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I think there is one for Harvard Law School professors,
and we will find out in the weeks ahead. Back
on Nightside, right, after this, you're.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
On night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Guyt's go to the phones, and again, I'm I would
love to know that the premise of my doing this story,
no one was injured. But do you think that the
average Massachusetts citizen resident would get as much consideration as
I think the Harvard Law school professor we'll receive. I'm
(14:02):
betting the Harvard Law School professor this is like brushed
under the rug. But if it was a regular guy,
regular person, man or woman from Massachusetts, oh, I think
there'd be some consequences if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Prove me wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Here's Cordelia down in Maryland. Cordelia, I haven't talked to
you in a long time. Welcome back.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Well, thank you, my dear. It has been quite a while.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I hope you're still listening to me down there.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Oh yes, please please listen to you. You know, we
know you've been with them a pretty long time. You know,
we go back even I think I was talking to
you in the eighties. Also not on the.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Radio, you were, and I was in television in Boston
here in the eighties, nineties and into up to two
thousand and Nive We started year nineteen on this show
this month on October first, So it's been you and
I have talked since at least two thousand and seven, Cordelia.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Whenever I don't hear from one of.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
My regular callers, particularly a caller who I liked, like you.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I'll just get a little worried.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I'm thinking, Gee, I hope that nothing bad has happened.
No one's been sick. Are you still? Are you still good?
And I hope your husband's good as well?
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Yes, everything's mind and yeah. So anyway, but what she
was saying about this family of being Jewish, now maybe
because this gentleman's wife is Jewish and the children are Jewish.
Now is the professor himself Jewish? So is he a different?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
No, he's a he. I believe he's Hispanic. He's a
visiting professor who lives in Brazil, and Harvard likes to
bring you in visiting professors.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So I'm just.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Saying that he's a He should be small enough to
know you don't want around an urban neighborhood with a
gun nine o'clock at night, whether it's Yam Kapoor, but
especially not on Yam Kapoor and fire a couple of
pellet shots and then his and by the way, apparently
one of his he wasn't a very good shot. I
(16:15):
guess one of his shots hit an automobile and took out,
you know, either the side window or the front windshield.
And the bullet that was found in the car was
matches his pellet gun. I mean, you know, this is
a Harvard Law School professor who you would think would
(16:38):
be a little observant and say, oh, I live near
a synagogue.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
It's yam Kapor. This is probably not even if he's
telling the truth. Let's assume he's telling.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
The truth that he was out trying to shoot a
rodent a rat, you know. I mean, I don't know
how you how you do that at nine o'clock at night,
to be honest with you, unless she cuts sort of
a laser because those rats are pretty quick.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah, yeah, they're pretty quick. But I tell you, damn uh.
Those people I tell you that are Spanish or whatever
wherever he's from, in those areas, Brazil, those people, yeah,
they do things like even Brazil, they were shoot at
rats because they do those things for hobbies. Because we
(17:25):
found that out, you know, when we went my husband,
my first husband, and I went to Brazil in sixty six,
went many many years ago, and the young people, that's
what they do. The young ones are shooting at rats
in the you know, the low income areas, because we
were told that when we visited Brazil. And yeah, so
(17:49):
there's something that's not not you know, it's something that
you know that they do. And maybe that's what he
was doing that night.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well maybe he was, but I think his timing and
his time of night and his judgment. And I Brookline
is a really urban part of It's not part of Boston.
It's a it's a separate community, but it's kind of
nestled between a part of by Jamaica Plane, very close
(18:17):
to the city. It's all you almost feel you're in
the city. It's an urban area. And I know the
street that this temple, this synagogue was on, and I
mean it's like, buddy, use your head, use your head here.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You know. I mean it's nine o'clock at night.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
We've had some ugly incidents where you don't we don't
need that.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Cordelia.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I'm so happy to hear you've always Unfortunately, I'm coming
up with my newscast and I gotta I gotta let
you go, but come on back more off, Okay, And
I just just reassure me that everybody's.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Doing well in your family. That's all I care.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Great.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I want to let you know I love you right.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Back at you, Cordelia, Thank you so much, talk soon.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
One of my longtime listeners Cordelia from Maryland.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
And she's a beautiful, lovely, lovely woman.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Okay, I got wide open lines here.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I kind of imagine some of you don't want to
comment on this Harvard law professor who did something really dumb. Okay,
he may be a law professor, but this was really
dumb to walk out of your apartment building at nine
o'clock while a service is going on at the temple
(19:38):
that the synagogue next door and decide, well, you know
what I need to do tonight.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
I'm not gonna watch the Red Sox and the Yankees.
I'm not gonna whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I'm gonna go out and just like Mitt Romney talked
about how he'd like to go hunt varmits, remember that
from twenty twelve, which people laughed at. Imagine if this person,
instead of being a Harvard Law school professor, was just
a regular person, a regular guy, oh or gal from
(20:09):
Brookline who made the same mistake. I think there'd be
a lot more made of it, and that's why I'm
bringing it to your attention, because again, I think that
a lot of people who own firearms legally in Massachusetts
go through a lot of aggravation. Some of it is necessary,
(20:30):
a lot of it is unnecessary. And I'm asking for
your thoughts on this. Harvard Law School professor six one
seven two five four ten thirty six one seven nine
three ten thirty, whether you agree with me or not.
If you agree with me, love to hear from you.
If you disagree with me, love to hear from you.
It just doesn't make sense. Would you here's my question.
(20:52):
Would you take a rifle, a b begne, pellet gun,
whatever you want to call it, and at nine o'clock
at night, walk out onto a relatively main drag in
Brookline and go rat hunting? I mean it, it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Hold water at all at all.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Six months seven two five four ten thirty six months
seven nine three one ten thirty And when it when
you think it's a Harvard Law School professor, they're supposed
to be pretty smart, and they are pretty smart guys.
I would hold this guy to even a higher standard,
but I don't think that will happen. And I'd love
to get your input on it. You can agree, you
(21:35):
can disagree. Let's have a little fun with it as well.
Thank goodness, it wasn't someone who was there exercising their
misguided anti semitism. This was a guy who just wasn't thinking.
Back on Nightside after the News at the bottom of the.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Hour, it's Nightside with Dan Ray, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
All right, if this is not something that is of
interest to you, we can move on to other matters. Okay,
It's as simple as that. In the meantime, let me
go to George in Bridgewater. It's funny I always get George.
A lot of my calls will say, how come you
don't do more on gun rights here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
And I thought tonight that.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
A lot of the people who have had experienced difficult
times with, you know, with their Second Amendment rights would
be interested in this.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I think that this Harvard law professor.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Is gonna basically not have any inconvenience here, but he
just wasn't thinking.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And in my opinion, George, welcome to Nightside. How are you?
How are you?
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Yeah? Pretty good?
Speaker 6 (22:43):
Damn my buddy.
Speaker 8 (22:45):
You know what I'm thinking more of with this case
is the stupidity involved with this guy. Can you imagine
if two bossing cops you know, come up from behind him,
and you know, of course they say drop your weapon,
and he didn't, and he turns around and that maybe
(23:07):
accidentally points to the weapon. After two cops, he would
have had nineteen bullets in him.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Well, hope not.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
I mean, I mean, which you know would be a travesty.
But I mean, you know, I like that saying that
we've heard for the past, you know, five ten years.
You can't fix stupid. This guy is stupid.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, well that's the point.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I mean, first of all, you're in a he's from Brazil, okay. Yeah,
you know he's a law professor at Harvard Okay, so
we assume that the intellectual capacity is there. But yes,
just I mean it would be like if I was
in Brazil visiting somewhere, I would make sure that I
(23:49):
knew my surroundings. I would like to make sure that
I would know what the what the popular culture was,
what was acceptable almost not acceptable. You know, Brookline has
a substantial Jewish population. Fine, yeah, and he's living next
to a synagogue. Fine, and on Yam Kapoor, he decides, well,
(24:11):
this is a great night to take my pellet gun.
First of all, if he's visiting here from Brazil, what
else he got a pellant gun for?
Speaker 8 (24:18):
I mean, no, my god, this guy could have got killed.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
And I'm gonna and I'm gonna go out and and
and wing a couple of rodents tonight.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I don't get it.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
He at nine o'clock at night. I mean, I don't care.
But nine o'clock in the morning to nine o'clock at night,
you're walking around with a long gun in this city,
You're gonna get You're gonna get You're gonna get shot
because nobody knows it a pellet gun.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
And then also also apparently you know, after he had fired, uh,
he was spotted hiding behind a tree. What was he
hiding from the rodents? He didn't want the rodents to
see him. Then when a security guard goes over confronts him,
I guess he gets in a bit of a tussle
with the security guard and takes off.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I mean, talk about.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
In the law, professor, we call an action like that
consciousness of guilt.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Oh, oh my god.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
I don't know what he teaches over there, but if
I couldn't get hit the Harvard anyway, but I wouldn't
want him as a professor.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Well, it's I mean, it's it's it's pathetic almost, and
that it's an embarrassment to Harvard, which I'm more than answer.
I have family members who did very well at Harvard
and all of that, and I know you to hurt
Harvard or anything, but it just shows that even people
(25:43):
who might be very book smart don't have a lot
of streets smarts.
Speaker 8 (25:49):
No, they don't. Dan when I work for IBM for
thirty thirty five years and half of them will hobbard mit.
I mean they were all a brainy x good people,
good people to work work with, you know, you learn
something every day, but none of them were this stupid. Yeah,
(26:11):
I'm sure your two kids have done really well, and
uh they must be. I don't know if they've read
this report, but i'd be shaking their head right now.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
One Well, it'll be I mean, it'll be interesting to
see how this gets handled in the courts. Now, I
think Brookline and I stand to be corrected. I think
Brookline is either Norfolk or Middlesex County. I should look
it up here, so that would depend on which district
attorney would have to deal this.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I mean, yeah, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
If there's a penalty for discharge of a firearm within
you know, so many feet of a synagogue or or
you know, a church or a synagogue. I assume they
must be. I don't know if a BB gun fits
into that category.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I hope the police investigated fully, and I hope we
get a final report on the George Simples that, you know, because.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
I like, yeah, i'd like to see him get fired dandy,
honest with you, I just don't think he deserves to
be well.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I guess he's on a leave of absence, so it
hasn't been whatever.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, and we'll see, and we'll see.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
We reached out, by the way, my producer did reach
out today to his office, and surprisingly we haven't heard back.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Well you won't, you.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Won't, thanks, George.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
I mean, I'm thinking the worst. I don't want this
guy to get hurt. But you know, I know Brazil
is a gun toting country, much more so than America,
but they all carry side arms. I've watched a lot
of those videos of them attacking course.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
But anyway, look, George, thanks so much.
Speaker 8 (28:01):
Good night, my buddy. You have a good night.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Thanks George, thank you so good night. Let me let
me keep rolling here. The only lines open right now.
Well there's one at six one seven, two five four
ten thirty, and there's one at six one seven nine
three one ten thirty.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Let me go to Daniel in Worcester. Daniel, welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Go right ahead, sir, Thank you very much, Dan, I
thank you for bringing up this topic. I just want
to say, you know, you know, learning, we learn, We
can learn from any situation. Sometimes we can learn from
almost stupid people. And I just want when you when
you brought this up, it reminded me of you know,
something that happened to me at hab It's Grade nineteen
(28:43):
twenty nine. Okay, the first the first time that I
ever met I came across, you know, a group of
policemen actually after midnight, and I was of whole places
at that very stupid thing. Usually during the day I
would go and sit and have it. We had to
read books and so on, because I want to to
real On the other side, of the river because it
was because gun violes and so on. So this because
(29:05):
this time and after midnight, my my eight year old
son had had asked me to buy my a thing
called a telescope. So I bought my telescope and haved.
Y had was a little lit, but the Rightcliffe College,
the women's college was was in the dark, so that
was the best place for to actually go watch the
stars from. So we are there. Next thing, you know,
(29:25):
a group of policemen show up and they have been
told that there's some men, there's some black men out
in the in the in the pointing, pointing either guns
or telescopes, eavesdropping in the women's dormitories.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
So that I had.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
It was a stupid thing I had done, but thank
god I had my eight year old sun there so
and the policeman can be very reasonable. So they looked
and said, wait a minute, No, he couldn't be. He
couldn't be snooping on the women. Why would he bring
his eight year old boy? Yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
I said?
Speaker 7 (29:53):
I said, they're working the staff, you're watching the sky.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Why are you here?
Speaker 7 (29:56):
I said, because it's that here.
Speaker 9 (29:57):
We couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, yeah, I I'm familiar with with those dormitories, which
I'm very familiar with those those are a little further
away from Harvard Square.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
So yeah, a lot of the ambient lights.
Speaker 7 (30:11):
I'm good. There was pretty much was patient, listen and
look at and said, no, what he's thinking is right,
and just be he's just exactly stupid. So you know,
so I hope, I hope, I hope the man he
has talking the truth and and I and I want to.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Know what, well, I mean, maybe maybe he can take
a uh uh, a plea of abject stupidity.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Maybe we could we could come up with.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
Him with them play which I which I plead even
though even though I've been this club and toble that
clubs and books. But but but my client is prepared
to to plead to a sufficiency of of of the facts.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
And abject stupidity, your honor, if you'll accept that play.
Speaker 9 (30:56):
Yes, I grew up in a binary republic, but not
not the street on the street, so so you know,
the first time I got to I number an area
was when I was twelve, went to boarding school, and
I put, I put, I put those those those staff
that I saw you on lump pus and they told
me no, they had lumps.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
But anyway, all.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Right, Daniel, thank you much.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I'm gonna let you go here because I got to
get to my break.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Thank you, my friend, thank you so much too.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
From one Daniel to another, We're coming back on night
Side right after the break.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
All right, let's get back to the phones where we're
gonna go next. My friend Patrick in Charlestown. I know
Patrick's gonna have an interesting take on this topic. Hi, Patrick,
I just welcome.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
I just think that Harvard's had a really good run
with outstanding professors here. So just to what a couple
of months ago, they had an honesty researcher uh fired
for committing fraud in or research. So that was doctor
Francesca Gino. I missed you never covered that story.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
I missed it.
Speaker 8 (32:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Look I'm not omnipotent, Okay, I mean I I missed
some stories here. Patrick never hesitate to let me know.
By the way, you always you can work as We'll
give you a producer credit if you give me a
good suggestion.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
Look that one up, Look that one up. Honesty researcher
at Harvard fired for fraud and or research. I think
it'll be a good, good story. Uh. And then h
of course you had the famous Henry Lewis Gates junior
who U who told the cop, told the cop that
said is your mom out to the cop and took
(32:43):
the ride in the free ride in the police.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Card Sergeant Crowley, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Yeah, the national incident.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
By the way, who's really by the way, Crowley, Who's
a really good guy. I bumped into him one time
and I really felt he he was a guy with
a lot of integrity. I think Gates was fairly tired.
He had just come back from some halfway around the
world trip and things like that can happen. But again,
he pulled He tried to pull rank and it didn't
(33:15):
quite work out too well.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Although we got there the.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Beer with Joe Biden and Barack Obama at the White House,
remember the beer summit.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
I want to we want to be judged on my
worst moments either, So we'll let it. We'll let that
be in the past. I'm just saying, arbaitat quite a run,
and this story is there's no way.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
You can have Patrick. We could you can add the
president of Harvard who had to resign because she couldn't
really answer questions in front of Congress, Claudian Gay.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
Well, she also she also committed fraud in her dissertation,
which well.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Those are the allegations. But I'm not you know, I'm
not an expert, so I can't. I do know what.
I know that she had a rough day in front
of Congress, and I'm willing to leave it there because
I don't know. You know, fraud is very important. Is
that's a very strong word, Patrick, if you get my drift.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
So you don't want to slander or I respect that. So, uh,
you know the other thing, I was just reading through
this and it says it's a rifle. It's a pellet
rifle in the Boston Globe article. Not that anything the
Boston Globe could be trusted, but it al it's a
pellet rifle, not even a pellet here, God damn, looking
at the story right now.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, No, it's it's a rifle. Yeah, it's a pellet rifle.
You're right, So, because that could have been a real problem.
I just think that you've got to be aware of
your surroundings wherever you are.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
I mean, that's what you accept the premise that this
guy was rat hunting. I can't when when something is
so crazy that the premise maker scratch your head, it's
obviously untrue. So I don't know what this guy was.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I never knew, and I know Brookline pretty well. I
didn't realize that there was that there were people out
who were hunting varmints like Mitt Romney and going after
rats at nine.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
O'clock at night.
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Uh, you know, look O the country would say, what's
the big deal A guy has a gun. I mean
he has a right to have an other This ision
other parts of the country. It's with the liberal most liberal.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
So what I'm saying is that if this guy was
was a blue collar guy, he would have had he
would have been in big trouble.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
And I think that this guy will will skate on
this one. I mean that dog, I gotta run.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
There's only we can only you know, a kid to
close to thislander so many times during one phone call.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
We don't know any of that.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Thanks Patrick, will talk to Let me go to dot dot,
keep me safe, go ahead dot.
Speaker 10 (35:47):
Hi, Dani. You know we do know this boob of
a professor is one answer. I've got the answer. Yeah,
call President Trump. He'll put him on the first playing
ship Brazil and have it. Will pay for the ticket.
(36:08):
President Trump will take care of him.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah. I don't think that probably it's going to rise
to that level.
Speaker 10 (36:14):
I think it should. I think it should because if
it was just some poor sap, he'd be in all
kinds of troubles. Guys, this guy's gonna have a big
cover up. No, let President Trump know about it.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Well.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I don't know if President Trump listens to my show,
but if he does, he should know about it now.
And I'm sure we can make a call with your
exhortation knowing.
Speaker 10 (36:44):
Hey, why not, he doesn't. He doesn't deserve to be
around here. We don't need yoyos like that.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
All right, don I'm so glad I opened this can
of worms.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Eggs. Dog talk soon, Okay, good night, there goes dog.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Bill is in Easton, Hey, Bill, welcome next one night
side Bill garrettahead.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
And brook Line is Norfolk County. And as far as
pellet rifles, I don't discharge the firearms different. You know,
five hundred feet from a dwelling. When it comes to vernment,
I think is Uh, there is a little it's a
little more laid back. But like if you were hunting squirrels,
(37:34):
you know, with a pellet, you'd actually need a hunting license.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Well again, I'm not going to get into the difference
between a rodent and a squirrel.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
And I will only say that I think, right, it's
just incredibly bad judgment.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
And then if he was, if he was.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
A regular blue collar guy who gags in the same
sort of ignorance activity in that proximity to synagogue on
jan Kapor, one of the holiest nights of the year,
I can't believe that the guy didn't realize who was
living next to a synagogue. O. Hey, wake up and
smell the coffee, professor. Okay, that's all I'm trying to say.
(38:17):
All right, thanks Bill, appreciate you called Tim and Wilburn.
You're gonna wrap it up first, Tim, go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
I didn't May thanks to taking my car.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I had good day, Ray Kary reads back on the radio.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Well not on this program, Tim, so do me a favorite.
No plugs of other radio programs or newscasts or whatever.
I'm kind of I'm done with Karen Reid, to be honest,
with you. I know that you are very supportive of her,
and I think that she should get her car back.
And I think that the criminal actions have been closed up,
(38:53):
and I think it's time for everybody to move on.
I think you're right. All right, Thanks Tim, I gotta let,
I gotta run. We're getting tight.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
You're called late.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Thank you much, Tim, have a great one. Good night. Okay,
done for the night.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
I want to thank everyone who called in.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Whatever the topic was, what we got? Thirty left here?
Rob about oh one minute, Oh, I got a little
time here. Wait a second, hold on, that's good. Let
me thank Rob, Let me thank Marita. Let me thank
all the callers. We had a bunch of interesting callers tonight.
And let me thank all the listeners again. Remember this
is Night Side with Dan Ray. Good guests like Lowry
(39:31):
callderone great topic like these knuckleheads who are doing donuts
and intersections and they need to get a life at
callers and stir and you got a talk show, simple
as that. I will end as always, All dogs, all cats,
all pets go to heaven.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
That's my pell.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Charlie Ray looking at a picture of him right now,
Handsome Cavali King Charles Spaniel. All those pets went to heaven.
They loved you when you loved them, and I do
belie if you're going to see them again. Hopes to
gain tomorrow night on Nightside, have a great Tuesday, everybody.
By the way, the WBC car guys on Thursday night
from ten to twelve, Larry and Scott will join us.
Take your calls on getting ready for the winter driving season.
(40:13):
I will see you tomorrow night. I will be on
Facebook in just a moment.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Facebook. Nice hour, Dan Ray and you can go there.
You can check out some pictures from our reunion the
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