September 12, 2025 • 40 mins
After a 33-hour manhunt, authorities have identified and arrested a suspect in Charlie Kirk’s murder. The suspect has been identified as a 22-year-old man from Utah. Kirk was fatally shot in the neck while conducting an outdoor speaking event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday. The suspect was arrested on suspicion of aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily harm, and obstruction of justice charges, according to a court affidavit. The suspect is being held without bail.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Costin's new radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, let me give you an update on the
Red Sox score, and it's not on ESPN tonight, so
you gotta deal with me. The Red Sox have finally
gotten a couple of hits here. They have had two
hits tonight, not a great night home run from Nick Eaton.
Games now four to one, bottom of the ninth inning
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and one out, so the Red Sox are in jeopardy
of losing their Friday night game to the Yankees. Yankees
have pitched pretty well tonight. Red Sox, on the other hand,
they did okay, but Yankees lead for one with one
out in the ninth and no one on base. So
we'll see what happens. We'll keep you posted. We're talking
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not about baseball as you would expect. We're talking about tolerance,
and we're talking about what this show has been about
for a long time, and that is giving people an
opportunity to disagree. So I have thrown a challenge out
to you. I'll call it the night Side challenge, and
that is tell me, if there's someone in your life
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with whom you have you just can't talk politics with them. Now,
if it's you who don't want to engage in the conversation,
it's your fault. If it's someone in your life who
doesn't want to engage in a conversation with you, it's
their fault. But I'm going to ask each of you
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to try to reach out to someone this weekend who
you disagree with and see if in view of what
happened to Charlie Kirk this week, we can't go down
that road. We cannot go down that road. The governor
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of Utah, Governor Cox said, I thought some interesting things today,
and he talked talked about just listening to other people,
because when people stop listening, that's when violence occurs. I
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want to finish up with Lola, because I asked her
to hold on and I do have some sound I
want to play. But more importantly, I want to hear
from you. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.
A couple of lines open right there, right now. Let
me go to Lola. Lola, give you a chance to
finish up. Is there someone in your life you want
to reach out to over the weekend who you are
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somewhat estranged with over the issue of politics.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I will be I'm willing to do that. I do
have friends that I do I am not on the
same page with them with politics, and we talk as
much as we can about that subject, and then we
change the subject to something that we both mutually interested
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in and we don't have to get into an argument
about whether this flower is better than that. You know,
Here's what I feel, in my opinion, this all comes
down to is how big is our ego? And that
to me sets the tone for if I'm going to
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meet If I meet somebody and I see how big
their ego is, you can't talk to people that have
that ego going on.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Okay, well, I'm going to do a test with you
right now. Okay, you're ready. I'm going to play two
Democratic politicians and responding to a couple of questions. The
first I'm going to play is our own Senator Elizabeth Warren,
who is asked by a reporter about the need for
Democrats to lower the political temperature after the shooting of
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Charlie Charlie Kirk. Okay, so this is about forty six seconds,
and I want you to listen carefully. Cut number eleven, please, Rob,
what do you say that people.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Who are saying the Democrats. People are the.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Temperatures all around me, you know, right, why don't you
start with the President of the United States, right, And
every ugly name has posting and every ugly word. He
is the leader of this sad and I think that
when he's posting things like he did just a couple
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of days ago, trying to show an entire city on
fire and a reference to helicopters in effect throwing people
out of helicopters and showing himself as some kind of
big chest beating of a threat, then I just don't
want to hear this.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
From the Republicans.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Okay, So that's a fairly closed minded attitude here. On
the other hand, Lola is Bernie Sanders when he was
asked a similar question, not the ident question. But this
is Bernie Sanders number twelve.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
Rob Freedom and democracy is not about political violence. It
is not about assassinating public officials. It is not about
trying to intimidate people who speak out on an issue.
Political violence, in fact, is political cowardice. It means that
you cannot convince people of the correctness of your ideas
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and you have to impose them through force. Every American,
no matter what one's political point of view may be
must condemn all forms of political violence and all forms
of intimidation.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Now I must tell you I am not on the
same side of the page politically either then Elizabeth Warren
or Bernie Sanders. But I think Sanders' answer is one
we should listen to. And Sanders has actually a set
of beliefs. I disagree with him. He's a socialist, wants
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you know, truly wants the country to become a socialist government.
But his answer was unequivocal there as opposed to Warren's answer,
which was deflecting. Now, the audio quality of Warren's answer
wasn't as good as Sandras's answer, but the context and
the content was not nearly as good either. Will will
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do me a favor, let me know how it works out.
If the person you're going to reach out to responds positively,
I tell them that you are doing this because of
the night Side challenge, the night Side reach out challenge.
Speaker 8 (06:41):
Okay, I will absolutely do it.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And just to comment on these two people from the
same party, if you can see, at least in my opinion,
I can see who has the bigger ego.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, I don't know, and all politicians have a pretty
substantial legal but there's one that has a really big
ego there.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
But there's there's how you come across, how you speak
and can reach people on a level of empathy and
compassion versus intimidation. It's going to set the tone for
what's going to happen with the conversation.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You got to beg Lola, Lola, thank you. Going to
get to some other calls, call me back next week.
I want to know if you're successful. Okay, I will,
I'll let you know. Yeah, thank good night. Look, if
we don't reach out to people we disagree with, and
I don't care who you disagree with, but I'm I'm
issuing a challenge to everybody in this audience and tell
me call me up right now six one seven, two, five,
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four ten thirty or six one seven, nine three ten thirty.
Tell me if you're willing to accept that challenge. And
if you are, tell me why. And if you're not,
tell me why not. Let me go next too. I'm
going to go to Patrick in DC. Patrick. Welcome, sir, How.
Speaker 9 (08:02):
Are you my friend?
Speaker 10 (08:04):
It is good to be able to listen to you tonight.
And as this story of the incident in Utah and folded.
On Wednesday, I turned the media off and went, oh, no,
you don't. And I glimpsed a little bit of flocks
news and I went, oh, no, you don't. And I
looked away and got away from it.
Speaker 9 (08:22):
And it is very refreshing to sit.
Speaker 10 (08:24):
Down with my fellow listeners and you and your guests
to discuss these matters in a nice way. You my
fellow listeners, but you're your audience.
Speaker 9 (08:33):
I mean a lot to me.
Speaker 10 (08:35):
One thing that mattered to me of their voices, what
happened in Cobble and have baddest stand during the first
year of mister Biden's presidency and hearing the sound of
their voices. And I was in the other room, and
I said, something happened, you know. And I went into
the room and sat down and stared at the radio
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to listen to what happened. Sollions of my fellow listeners
are important to me. I like listening to them. I'm
here in Washington, DC, I really am. I've got all
the voices that I can listen to, but the voices
so my fellow listeners are very important to me. So
I thank them for calling in and pourage you to
call in and please remember if you want to know,
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if you have one man in Washington who listens to you,
it is definitely me.
Speaker 9 (09:25):
But yeah, as we talk about issues, and being that
I am from Washington, DC, I had learned very early,
at an early age, that an issue generally is an
argument or discussion between two or more people that have
nothing to do with what they're talking about.
Speaker 10 (09:41):
That's one thing I learned about an issue. And we
have to be able to understand is it relevant that
we need to talk about this issue, is it really
an issue? Does it really matter? I do with working
people many much stuff in politics I don't even want
to talk about. Because these are working people. I think
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they have a family, they have the jobs, they care
about their.
Speaker 9 (10:07):
Community, They.
Speaker 10 (10:10):
Work with the all sorts of activities for young people
and elderly people and volunteers. I think with the formal
I give the people on a continual basis and I
try to stay away from, you know, the people that
you hear in the news quite frankly, but.
Speaker 9 (10:29):
I am used to people who are able or were
able to get things done.
Speaker 10 (10:35):
And I think I pointed out in one email that
came to be about the crime in Washington in Baltimore
and their hearers, the statistics and their their bills that
there's scouting, that what happened they're inside a room of
what is going on outside of their window is completely different.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You know, hey, folk, well they're insulated, they're out of touch.
Will you pledge tomorrow? Will you find someone tomorrow who
you disagree with and try to reach out and say, hey, look,
I'm not going to agree with you, but at least
we can have a conversation.
Speaker 9 (11:07):
Probably not, because I will be in Trump country.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
All right, Patrick, at least I tried. Thanks my friend,
talk sooner, right, Thanks Patrick? Six months seven two five
four to ten thirty six months seven nine three one
ten thirty. I'm looking for callers tonight who, in the
wake of the brutal murder of Charlie Kirk. I want
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the people on the right to not seek vengeance here, because,
as Bobby Kennedy said many years ago, Senator Robert Kennedy said,
violence begets violence, and I hope, I hope that everyone
who's been a supporter of Charlie Kirk or has enjoyed
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listening to Charlie Kirk, whether you're supporter or not, do
not go out, go out and exchange ideas as a
tribute to him. Find someone who you disagree with. Maybe
find someone who you are estranged from. Maybe find someone
in your family who you're not able to talk with
about politics. I think most of us have that situation
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because we are a deeply divided country. I know whenever
they used to talk about the Civil War, they would
talk about well, you know, brother against brother and father
against son. So let's take a break. Six point seven
two five four or ten thirty six p seven nine
three one, ten thirty. We won't talk about this until
eleven o'clock. So I want some courageous people to call
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me and tell me that they will take this pledge.
I will find someone this week who I'm currently not
talking with UH or not talking to about politics. I
will try to find someone this weekend UH. And I
just think it will be good for all of us.
And if you approach someone and they say no, I'm
not going to talk about it, well you've done your best.
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We'll be back on Nightside after.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
This Night Side, Dan Ray, I'm Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Back to the calls we go. Let me go to
Eileen and Cambridgehi, Eileen, welcome. How are you tonight.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
Well, I'm very interested in the conversation that you're having,
and I find that where I'm living, I feel there's
a lot of anti Trump sentiment.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
You're a Cambridge Welcome to Cambridge.
Speaker 8 (13:49):
Yes, And I you know, if I try to say,
I think Trump is the president of our United States,
and he has some ideas that never occurred to me,
and I think he merits being listened to.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yes, I bet I'll mentioned that's not tolerated really well
in the People's Republic of Cambridge.
Speaker 8 (14:17):
You are absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
We're not in Kansas. Total, We're not in Kansas anymore.
You know, I think that sometimes people who think of
themselves as the most open minded people in the world
actually and not all that open minded.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
That's discouraging. Is there anyone in your group that you
could say, Hey, I listened to a show called Nightside,
and I've taken the Nightside pledge. So I want to
have a conversation with you about politics. I don't want
to get mad at you, and I want you to
get mad at me. But let's just talk about what
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our differences are, and maybe if there are some things
we agree upon. Is there any way that you could
use you know, this as kind of a conversation starter, do.
Speaker 8 (15:08):
You think absolutely? I am. I will I will do
that tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I mean we're we're on the air Monday through Friday night.
They may never have listened to us. The the the
signature of this program is reasonable. People can disagree reasonably.
Most people think they're reasonable. If you went to one
hundred people and said are you reasonable or unreasonable? I
think all of them will say I'm very reasonable. Make
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them prove it.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
I lean.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Well, look, thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Thank you, Dan, Thanks, and I appreciate it for.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
Very I'll be in touch.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I'm looking for people to take the night side pledge here. Thanks.
Thanks Ily, talk to you soon. Good And by the way,
don't get in the fight with anybody if they don't
want to, just you know, don't worryorry about it. Thanks.
Speaker 8 (16:01):
Well, you know what, if somebody wants to fight with me,
I tell them I would really prefer to talk about science,
especially the science of human language. And I mean that's
completely off out of range for most people being able
to or interested in discussing.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But anyway, well, I know that intellect you have that
capacity and you probably intimidate them a little bit. Thanks.
Do you soon give me?
Speaker 8 (16:32):
Well? Sometimes I feel okay? Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
By the way, the Red Sox did lose the opening
game of the Yankee series tonight. They lost four to one,
but there's two games left Saturday and Sunday, so all
is not lost. They only produced that two hits tonight,
so maybe they'll get their bats in tune tomorrow. Six
one seven, Oh, that line just failed. If you want
to get to a six one seven nine, got two
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lines there. We're going to talk about this asking people
to take the night side pledge. Okay, And that means
you've got to find somebody who you disagree with politically
and just say, hey, look, I know we disagree politically,
but at least we can have a conversation. We can
still be friends. We have much more in common. We
live in a great country. We live in a democracy.
We don't live in a third world dictatorship, and nor
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will we ever live in a third world dictatorship. Because
we are a one world country. We have all sorts
of advantages. Let's celebrate our differences and have a conversation.
I won't get mad at you. You won't get mad
at me, and we will. I'll give you an opportunity
to say your piece, and you'll give me an opportunity
to say my piece. And we may not come to
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an agreement, but at least our friendship will be strengthened
or restored. That's the pitch you're willing to make it.
Speaker 11 (17:49):
Coming back on Nightside, You're on Night Side with Dan
Ray on WBS, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
All right, back to the calls we go, going to
go next to Joe Joe. You were next on Nightside. Welcome,
go right ahead, Joe.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Hi, Dan, Joe from Lynn. I agree with you, but
there are some people in our community that won't do that.
My friend from Brighton, he changed gradually and we changed
someone else, like Charlie did Karen from Lemons. There are
some people that won't discuss it, you know I heard.
Speaker 12 (18:26):
Will you go?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Your job then, is not to find someone who won't
discuss it. Your job is your task. What I'm suggesting
your challenge is to find someone who you disagree with,
but you have a sense that maybe they'll at least
be willing to talk with you, particularly in the context
of this murder. I mean, what do you think this
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kid is thinking tonight, he's twenty two years old.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
His whole life is ruined.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Totally ruined. But can you imagine a week ago tonight.
I have no idea what he was doing, but he
was probably sitting in his home with his family. Maybe
he was out with his friends. I don't know. But
now he's going to be in a jail cell. Assuming
that this is the right guy, If he's the guy
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that pulled the trigger, they got him dead to rights.
He's going to be in a jail cell until maybe
he himself is executed. What is he got to be thinking.
He's got to be thinking, so what why did I
do this? I mean, forget the idea that you've taken
the life of another human being. Yeah, I mean, I
mean it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
It's hard not to hate. The only people I hate
are bad people. But that's another issue. This guy didn't
do anything. I like Charlie. I wish I could have
met him. You could talk to him and disagree, and
that's how he changed people. Some of them change their
minds gradually. But when people say I hate this, I
mean I don't agree with Trump on a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well that's a that's a hero. That's a way in
which you can approach somebody who you could say, look,
we may have some issues we agree upon. I'm just saying,
you gotta break We got to start breaking down some
of these walls, all of us people who we know
and who are decent people. I have a friend of mine.
I'm not going to mention his last name, but he
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used to live in the town next door to me.
I knew him very well. But he is a He's
opposite me politically, and we exchange emails. But you know,
it's like he is the same as I am. But
for some reason he has developed this feeling towards Trump
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that he will that that he's the worst human being
in history. And look, you know I don't I don't
want to sort of argue make the arguments here, Joe,
That's not my point. I just want to courage people
to try to if they can, to reach out to
someone this weekend, take what I'm calling the night Side pledge,
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and that is we'd like to chat. Let's let's have
a conversation. Maybe we can touch upon politics and we
can find some areas of agreement. Maybe maybe not whatever,
maybe some day.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Will come to an agreement.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
We're gonna.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Instead of just hating, instead of dis hating people. I
hate Trump, and now I personally didn't like Biden, but
I could discuss it. Some people they won't discuss it
if they hate Trump. He's a I mean, granted, he
has people in his family that don't like him, but
that's another issue. But there's no reason that he's the
worst man in the world. I mean, I don't have
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to learn how to discuss their differences.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
All right, Thanks, Nanis, Joe, talk to you soon. Appreciate
your called. Okay, we're going next to Mike in New Hampshire. Mike,
you're next time Knightsacer right ahead.
Speaker 12 (21:55):
Hey, Dan, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I'm doing great, Mike. How are you tonight?
Speaker 12 (22:01):
I'm on my way home from bill Rick left work.
So yeah, you know, I've had the opportunity in a
couple of different ways. I've actually had the local turning
point at my house for a meeting.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Really and yeah, I've.
Speaker 12 (22:20):
Been more involved in politics in this last year than
I ever have been in my whole life.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Okay, there's a lot to get involved with, that's for sure.
Speaker 12 (22:29):
Absolutely. The reason being is that I really feel we're
at a turning point. In America because there's so much
hostility that you know, these these young men that and
young people that are involved with Turning Point, most of
them have a great heart. They're trying to do the
right thing for the right reasons. So yeah, we had
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we had a meeting at my house, probably forty to
fifty people there, and and I was really impressed with
the local New England Turning Point. And it's supposed to
be I believe I got a text tonight saying there's
going to be an event in New Hampshire this coming weekend.
About one hundred percent sure yet until I get home.
But even so, through this whole thing, Ray is Dan,
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I'm sorry, no problem. I've had the opportunity to share
at work and it's it's actually been a good thing.
And I will take a pledge and I will continue
to try to speak to people in a better you know,
in a non hostility the way.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Sure, so let me ask I want to ask you
a question. Go ahead, I want to ask you a question.
So you said that you're involved somewhat with this group
called Turning Point, which is the the group that Charlie
Krook founded. I thought the Turning Point was primarily college
age kids, is it? Is it also working people?
Speaker 12 (23:56):
Yeah, there's some people like well, like myself, I would
not be I'm out working with you know, the organization,
just a volunteer to help them. I come alongside these
young It is a younger, younger guy that's probably uh,
I don't think he's if he's thirty's, he's not quite
there yet. So he covers, he covers New England, the
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one guy that I'm at.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
But the meeting that you had at your house, was
it people who were all under thirty or was it
a variety of I'm just wondering. My impression of Turning
Point was that it was always younger, younger people, college students,
college kids, high school kids.
Speaker 12 (24:38):
Well, so it was a group of honestly, or the
group of Republicans that were you know, we meet at
my house not every month but frequently, to try to
encourage younger people to get involved, okay, and so we
invited them to come out and they spoke and it
was the fundraise, but also to encourage the younger generation
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to get involved.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Fair enough, Okay, Well.
Speaker 12 (25:05):
My involvement with Turning Point, well, good for you.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
How old are you? If I could ask Mike, you know, okay, yeah,
so you would be the exception to the rule. And
let's you know, as I say, I'm sure you've got
people at work or in your circle of friends who
you disagree with. I'm just trying to set an example
and say, look, you know we were you know, violence
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under Bernie Sanders was right. I played the SoundBite from
Bernie Sanders. Violence under no circumstances is acceptable. It's as
simple as that. It's as simple as that. I feel
horrible to think that this guy, Charlie Kirk, was killed.
Not because I tended to believe with many of his points.
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I'm not a member of Turning Point or anything like that,
but he seemed like a guy who liked to engage
in conversation and then debate. But I felt horrible that
he would be killed. I told the story last night
that way back when I was a TV reporter in
the nineteen eighties, I was scheduled interview Jesse Jackson one
day in New York during the nineteen eighty four presidential
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Democratic primary, and we both landed at LaGuardia Airport kind
of the same time, and we both ended up walking,
you know, towards the baggage claim, and I introduced myself
because I had scheduled an interview with him. We had
scheduled an interview the next day, and it was that
night that there was a Democratic congressman from well from
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New York named Alan Lowenstein who was assassinated. I mean,
there's just too many assassinations when I think of assassinations.
You know, the guy that killed John Lennon. Why would
you kill John Lennon other than to try to make
a name for yourself. And I keep coming back to
this kid tonight, sitting in the jail in at the
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age of two, twenty two. I mean, this kid's life
is ruined. He ruined it for himself. I don't have
any sympathy for him, but he should be out at
twenty two. He should be able with his friends tonight,
having fun. He should be out at his friends tonight,
you know, trying to beat meet other young people, whether
they are involved in politics or not. He's never going
to have that opportunity, assuming he's the guy that pulled
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the trigger, and certainly the evidence looks pretty overwhelming. He
enjoys the presumption of innocence. I get that, but in
the point of fact, how does he put his head
in the pillow and say to himself, this is what
I got for the future of my life. How about
his father who apparently turned him in. Imagine what an
agonizing decision that had to have been.
Speaker 12 (27:44):
Right, No, it's uh, let me ask you, what do
you think is behind it?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Well?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I think that the that a lot of it is
that people are in their political silos. You know a
lot of folks only watch Fox, only watch CNN, or
only watch MSNBC, And I think that they have closed
off to other people, that a lot of friendships have
ended over politics. Look, the government will go on. It's
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never going to be perfect. You know that someone someday
there'll be another president besides Donald Trump. Someday there'll be
a Democratic president. That's the way this country' span look
back at history. Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman. What did you
have you get? Dwight Eyesenhow for eight years? Okay, things
were kind of quiet? What did we have? The new Frontier?
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Jack Kennedy, then his vice president, Lyndon Johnson kind of
you know, got the thing going in Vietnam more than
it should have been, and he had to quit. Dick
Nixon gets elected. I mean, it's it's a pendulum that
goes back and forth in democracy. It's never gonna happen
in my life and never going to happen in your
life that either of these parties are going to go away.
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There'll always be a Republican Party. Maybe it would become
the Conservative Party, maybe become Trump Vance Party. I don't know.
But there'll always be one party that represents their points
of view on the economy, on free speech, or whatever
foreign policy, and they'll be the Democratic Party. So I
don't know. I just look at this kid and I
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think to himself, you kill the guy who's a father,
a son, and a husband, and he leaves two children
and a wife behind big man. And you know, I
would have been more impressed if this kid had gone
up and tried to sucker punch Jolly Kirk. Why'd you
have to kill him? You know? What's that about?
Speaker 12 (29:39):
Well, there's there's even some people that have taken joy
in the fact that he was killed.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Those people, those people are sick people, Okay, those people.
Speaker 12 (29:48):
And some of them I read today at work while
I was at work. There's two in New Hampshire, and
I believe one him in one or two in Massachusetts
that were teachers that made statements on social media as
like they thought that was.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
A good thing, and well they've disqualified themselves as teachers
as simple as that. Hey, Mike, I got to run here.
Thank you very much for the conversation.
Speaker 12 (30:14):
I mean, Dan, talk too soon.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Stuff when you have two first names. Okay, my name
is all right, thanks Mike. Six one seven thirty six
one seven nine three thirty. I'm looking for people who
will take a pledge here and say they're going to
reach out to someone within their family, within their circle
of friends that they know they disagree politically, and say, hey, look,
let's have a conversation. Let's see if we have some
(30:38):
areas of agreement. This this alienation, uh, which which turns
into isolation and then it turns into anger. And you
saw what it turned into uh in Utah on Wednesday.
It is it's astonishing to think that a week ago,
(30:59):
this twenty two year old suspect was free. He had
his whole life in front of him. Charlie Kirk had
his whole life in front of him. Both lives are
destroyed by one trigger pull by one individual. Back on Nightside,
Right after this.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
It's Night Side with Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Well, go to Glenn, Glenn, welcome back. How are you, sir?
Speaker 13 (31:25):
Well, I'm a little depressed.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Go I'd hear that about him?
Speaker 13 (31:30):
Well, I hear about a woman getting stabbed on a train,
you know, in North Caroline. And then I hear about
Charlie Kirk, who to me is now the Democrats or
whoever killed him made him a martyr for the First Amendment.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I think you're right on that. I do agree that,
no question about that.
Speaker 13 (31:54):
Can I tell you what's sad thing that happened to
me in the winter of Oees?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Does it have relevance to what we're talking about? Go ahead, right,
go ahead.
Speaker 13 (32:03):
My sister in law, my brother calls me on a
Sunday morning at eight thirty. Now, this was the primary,
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Okay, and I don't know
out of ramow. She says, I hope you're voting for
a woman. And I says, well, I'm voting for Barack
because he's against the Oh no, no, you got to
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vote for a woman.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I said, Okay, what do.
Speaker 13 (32:28):
You mean, I gotta she goes, we need a woman.
I says, it has to be the right woman, and okay.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
You don't give me, don't they give me? Like the
rebated transcript of the conversation, how did it end?
Speaker 13 (32:40):
It ends that she she had me blocked from calling
my brother.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Well, you know what, you should have sent a letter
to the brother in law or whomever it was. It said, hey, yeah,
you can't let people I don't do you good?
Speaker 13 (32:58):
I never got a response.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Well, maybe the brother in law is a jerk too.
I don't know.
Speaker 13 (33:05):
I don't know the people.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
It's a brother, okay, brother, your brother, okay, so your brother, well,
your brother then is a jerk.
Speaker 13 (33:13):
And he and I have never had a price. We've
gotten along.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Go to go to counseling. Go to counseling. If you
were willing to go to counsel I can't deal with that, Glenn.
I mean, it's a that's a family matter. Again. I
know that you're someone Where did they live.
Speaker 13 (33:32):
On the border of Westerly Rhode Island in Stonington, Connecticut?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, So so you don't have the people know that
you're blind. You don't have the ability to jump in
your car someday and drive down there and ring the
doorbell and say, what's what's wrong with you? People?
Speaker 7 (33:46):
You know?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
You just deal with it, man, and just find other friends.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
All right?
Speaker 13 (33:50):
Because somebody did draw me down there and they threatened
to threaten to call the police.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Well, I think that's a sign they don't want to
talk to you. I would think.
Speaker 13 (33:59):
Over hearing me versus Obama, what do you want me
to do about it? No, I don't want you to
do anything. I'm saying no.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
I know.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Well, that's that shows how extreme they are, that that
person is impossible to reach. Write them off. But maybe
there's some other people in your life who can't be reached.
Maybe this assassination will wake some people up. Glenn.
Speaker 13 (34:25):
Okay, well I haven't been able to find any.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Well, you know, I think that I think that there
were those people out there, Glenn. I got to run.
I got three other costume. I wish I could. I
could do some family counseling here, but I don't have
to know.
Speaker 13 (34:40):
That's not what I'm looking for. I'm just making an
example of someone that just won't you know, have a polt.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I got it. Well, there are people out there who
I'm not saying they will. I'm just saying, at least
you tried, I'd write them off. Write them off, Glenn.
It's as simple as that, you know. It's like it's
like when you were a single guy and you're trying
to get a date with the prom queen and she
has no interest in you, and you ask five times
and and you get well, I'm busy. No, at some point,
(35:11):
you gotta take the point. You gotta you gotta take
the hint. Okay, Yeah, all right, we'll talk later. Thanks. Thanks,
claim to talk to you soon. I got again, folks.
I I'm becoming I'm gonna become less patient with my callers.
It's as simple as that. And I hope you'll understand.
Go ahead, Tom, You're next on night side.
Speaker 12 (35:31):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Man.
Speaker 14 (35:31):
Listen, this kid should definitely not get the death penalty.
I I agree, he should spend his life in jail.
I feel bad for the kid. It's like it's like
giving the German soldiers a death penalty for what Hitler
did in Germany. He was just a sport soldier for
Jasmine Crockett and for Schulma and Tim Wallas. He was
(35:54):
just a soldier for them, people who wanted to kill Trump.
I listened to a montage on the radio well, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Here's the thing, Tom. You want to go into the
trump rand, which is fine, I'll give you that for
like thirty seconds. The point is this kid. No one
forced this kid to get in his car, drive four miles,
bring a rifle with him and kill Charlie Kirk. This
kid is over the age of reason. He's twenty two
years of age. He has thrown his life away. I'm sorry.
(36:25):
He will never see the light of day if he's guilty,
and we'll give him the presumption of innocence, not much
but a little bit. Uh. And he lives in a
state where they have the death penalty. He gave the
death penalty to Charlie Kirk, who was thirty one years old,
a father or son and the husband who gave him
the authority to do that.
Speaker 14 (36:45):
Dam he was brainwashed. Jad mean crocket to get the
death penalty.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
You know that's crazy. She's never killed anybody. Tom, You
plank Rob. Let's have the plank, all right, Tom, you
have the honor of the first plank. Let me go
to Billico House at Billy next to Nights.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
I go ahead, Bill, Hey, Dan, how are you first
time my collra I've listened to you for a while.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, thanks very much, have you you don't get the plank,
you get a round of applause. Go ahead, Bill, No.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I have children twenty three to thirty one, and you know,
you know they grew up in math school. They were
brainwashing college. And you know, all I try to do
is takom. You know, I try to because I'm a
conservative Republican, but I just try to talk to him
about the issues. I mean, because I look at this
twenty two year old kid, to your point, his life
(37:37):
is ruined. And did he really even understand what he
was doing? Did he really understand who Charlie Kirk was?
Speaker 12 (37:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
You know what, Yeah, but he probably well he probably
had an impression. I'll tell you what he did understand.
He did understand if he climbed up on that roof
and he took his big gun and he fired it
at Charlie Kirk and he hit him, you know, in
his Coronada or Kirk, Who's going to be dead and
apparently he had the skill to do that.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, it got to be accountable for your actions. I mean,
I you know what, I saw it yesterday. One of
my daughters showed it to me. At first, I was
very sad for his family, and then I was very
angry because you know, here's what I watched with these kids.
They're on these social media outlets, and you know what
has really made me angry is people actually getting on
(38:29):
social media and praising the fact that this kid assassinated
him of his family. I mean, it's disgusting. It's discussing
what's going on in this country. I mean, how are
these people raised?
Speaker 12 (38:42):
Right?
Speaker 4 (38:43):
It's just and you know, you look what happened in Minnesota.
And I don't care what side of the isle of
you're on. You know what's going on is just crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I do believe that, right, Bill, I hear the frustration
your voice. I hope you'll take the night Side Pledge
nonetheless and try to reach out to one of your kids.
Maybe this will shock one of them into saying, gee,
you know I need to at least have a conversation
(39:13):
with my family members with whom I disagree.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah, no, I do. I actually try all the time.
And you know what, they get older, they're listening.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
More and tell what you can do is tell tell
them that this is a Nightside Pledge and that I
challenge the audience to do this maybe that will give
you a little bit more. You know, it's wasn't you
tell them it wasn't your idea. But this crazy talk
show host on WBZ thinks that maybe we can get reconciled.
Blame it on me, throw me under the bus, okay,
(39:43):
And if they say no, thanks, Bill, I have a
great one you too. All Right, you know what I'm
gonna do. We're gonna go into the next hour, which
is the twentieth hour, and we're gonna stick with this
nightside pledge. Joe Stu Day right there, Matt, feel free.
We're gonna talk in the next hour. Are you willing
(40:05):
to take the night side pledge? This is the twentieth hour.
We're gonna be positive. Are you willing to take the
night side pledge? Go to a member of your family,
go to a neighbor and say, hey, look, this is
crazy cruck show host. His name is Dan Ray on
WBZ eight to midnight Monday through Friday night. And he
challenged the listeners. And I'm a listener of his, and
this is the challenge. We'll be back right after the
(40:28):
eleven o'clock news
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Costin's new radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, let me give you an update on the
Red Sox score, and it's not on ESPN tonight, so
you gotta deal with me. The Red Sox have finally
gotten a couple of hits here. They have had two
hits tonight, not a great night home run from Nick Eaton.
Games now four to one, bottom of the ninth inning
(00:27):
and one out, so the Red Sox are in jeopardy
of losing their Friday night game to the Yankees. Yankees
have pitched pretty well tonight. Red Sox, on the other hand,
they did okay, but Yankees lead for one with one
out in the ninth and no one on base. So
we'll see what happens. We'll keep you posted. We're talking
(00:48):
not about baseball as you would expect. We're talking about tolerance,
and we're talking about what this show has been about
for a long time, and that is giving people an
opportunity to disagree. So I have thrown a challenge out
to you. I'll call it the night Side challenge, and
that is tell me, if there's someone in your life
(01:10):
with whom you have you just can't talk politics with them. Now,
if it's you who don't want to engage in the conversation,
it's your fault. If it's someone in your life who
doesn't want to engage in a conversation with you, it's
their fault. But I'm going to ask each of you
(01:30):
to try to reach out to someone this weekend who
you disagree with and see if in view of what
happened to Charlie Kirk this week, we can't go down
that road. We cannot go down that road. The governor
(01:50):
of Utah, Governor Cox said, I thought some interesting things today,
and he talked talked about just listening to other people,
because when people stop listening, that's when violence occurs. I
(02:12):
want to finish up with Lola, because I asked her
to hold on and I do have some sound I
want to play. But more importantly, I want to hear
from you. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.
A couple of lines open right there, right now. Let
me go to Lola. Lola, give you a chance to
finish up. Is there someone in your life you want
to reach out to over the weekend who you are
(02:33):
somewhat estranged with over the issue of politics.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I will be I'm willing to do that. I do
have friends that I do I am not on the
same page with them with politics, and we talk as
much as we can about that subject, and then we
change the subject to something that we both mutually interested
(03:00):
in and we don't have to get into an argument
about whether this flower is better than that. You know,
Here's what I feel, in my opinion, this all comes
down to is how big is our ego? And that
to me sets the tone for if I'm going to
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meet If I meet somebody and I see how big
their ego is, you can't talk to people that have
that ego going on.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Okay, well, I'm going to do a test with you
right now. Okay, you're ready. I'm going to play two
Democratic politicians and responding to a couple of questions. The
first I'm going to play is our own Senator Elizabeth Warren,
who is asked by a reporter about the need for
Democrats to lower the political temperature after the shooting of
(03:54):
Charlie Charlie Kirk. Okay, so this is about forty six seconds,
and I want you to listen carefully. Cut number eleven, please, Rob,
what do you say that people.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Who are saying the Democrats. People are the.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Temperatures all around me, you know, right, why don't you
start with the President of the United States, right, And
every ugly name has posting and every ugly word. He
is the leader of this sad and I think that
when he's posting things like he did just a couple
(04:29):
of days ago, trying to show an entire city on
fire and a reference to helicopters in effect throwing people
out of helicopters and showing himself as some kind of
big chest beating of a threat, then I just don't
want to hear this.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
From the Republicans.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Okay, So that's a fairly closed minded attitude here. On
the other hand, Lola is Bernie Sanders when he was
asked a similar question, not the ident question. But this
is Bernie Sanders number twelve.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
Rob Freedom and democracy is not about political violence. It
is not about assassinating public officials. It is not about
trying to intimidate people who speak out on an issue.
Political violence, in fact, is political cowardice. It means that
you cannot convince people of the correctness of your ideas
(05:28):
and you have to impose them through force. Every American,
no matter what one's political point of view may be
must condemn all forms of political violence and all forms
of intimidation.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Now I must tell you I am not on the
same side of the page politically either then Elizabeth Warren
or Bernie Sanders. But I think Sanders' answer is one
we should listen to. And Sanders has actually a set
of beliefs. I disagree with him. He's a socialist, wants
(06:04):
you know, truly wants the country to become a socialist government.
But his answer was unequivocal there as opposed to Warren's answer,
which was deflecting. Now, the audio quality of Warren's answer
wasn't as good as Sandras's answer, but the context and
the content was not nearly as good either. Will will
(06:27):
do me a favor, let me know how it works out.
If the person you're going to reach out to responds positively,
I tell them that you are doing this because of
the night Side challenge, the night Side reach out challenge.
Speaker 8 (06:41):
Okay, I will absolutely do it.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And just to comment on these two people from the
same party, if you can see, at least in my opinion,
I can see who has the bigger ego.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, I don't know, and all politicians have a pretty
substantial legal but there's one that has a really big
ego there.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
But there's there's how you come across, how you speak
and can reach people on a level of empathy and
compassion versus intimidation. It's going to set the tone for
what's going to happen with the conversation.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You got to beg Lola, Lola, thank you. Going to
get to some other calls, call me back next week.
I want to know if you're successful. Okay, I will,
I'll let you know. Yeah, thank good night. Look, if
we don't reach out to people we disagree with, and
I don't care who you disagree with, but I'm I'm
issuing a challenge to everybody in this audience and tell
me call me up right now six one seven, two, five,
(07:48):
four ten thirty or six one seven, nine three ten thirty.
Tell me if you're willing to accept that challenge. And
if you are, tell me why. And if you're not,
tell me why not. Let me go next too. I'm
going to go to Patrick in DC. Patrick. Welcome, sir, How.
Speaker 9 (08:02):
Are you my friend?
Speaker 10 (08:04):
It is good to be able to listen to you tonight.
And as this story of the incident in Utah and folded.
On Wednesday, I turned the media off and went, oh, no,
you don't. And I glimpsed a little bit of flocks
news and I went, oh, no, you don't. And I
looked away and got away from it.
Speaker 9 (08:22):
And it is very refreshing to sit.
Speaker 10 (08:24):
Down with my fellow listeners and you and your guests
to discuss these matters in a nice way. You my
fellow listeners, but you're your audience.
Speaker 9 (08:33):
I mean a lot to me.
Speaker 10 (08:35):
One thing that mattered to me of their voices, what
happened in Cobble and have baddest stand during the first
year of mister Biden's presidency and hearing the sound of
their voices. And I was in the other room, and
I said, something happened, you know. And I went into
the room and sat down and stared at the radio
(08:56):
to listen to what happened. Sollions of my fellow listeners
are important to me. I like listening to them. I'm
here in Washington, DC, I really am. I've got all
the voices that I can listen to, but the voices
so my fellow listeners are very important to me. So
I thank them for calling in and pourage you to
call in and please remember if you want to know,
(09:19):
if you have one man in Washington who listens to you,
it is definitely me.
Speaker 9 (09:25):
But yeah, as we talk about issues, and being that
I am from Washington, DC, I had learned very early,
at an early age, that an issue generally is an
argument or discussion between two or more people that have
nothing to do with what they're talking about.
Speaker 10 (09:41):
That's one thing I learned about an issue. And we
have to be able to understand is it relevant that
we need to talk about this issue, is it really
an issue? Does it really matter? I do with working
people many much stuff in politics I don't even want
to talk about. Because these are working people. I think
(10:04):
they have a family, they have the jobs, they care
about their.
Speaker 9 (10:07):
Community, They.
Speaker 10 (10:10):
Work with the all sorts of activities for young people
and elderly people and volunteers. I think with the formal
I give the people on a continual basis and I
try to stay away from, you know, the people that
you hear in the news quite frankly, but.
Speaker 9 (10:29):
I am used to people who are able or were
able to get things done.
Speaker 10 (10:35):
And I think I pointed out in one email that
came to be about the crime in Washington in Baltimore
and their hearers, the statistics and their their bills that
there's scouting, that what happened they're inside a room of
what is going on outside of their window is completely different.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You know, hey, folk, well they're insulated, they're out of touch.
Will you pledge tomorrow? Will you find someone tomorrow who
you disagree with and try to reach out and say, hey, look,
I'm not going to agree with you, but at least
we can have a conversation.
Speaker 9 (11:07):
Probably not, because I will be in Trump country.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
All right, Patrick, at least I tried. Thanks my friend,
talk sooner, right, Thanks Patrick? Six months seven two five
four to ten thirty six months seven nine three one
ten thirty. I'm looking for callers tonight who, in the
wake of the brutal murder of Charlie Kirk. I want
(11:34):
the people on the right to not seek vengeance here, because,
as Bobby Kennedy said many years ago, Senator Robert Kennedy said,
violence begets violence, and I hope, I hope that everyone
who's been a supporter of Charlie Kirk or has enjoyed
(11:58):
listening to Charlie Kirk, whether you're supporter or not, do
not go out, go out and exchange ideas as a
tribute to him. Find someone who you disagree with. Maybe
find someone who you are estranged from. Maybe find someone
in your family who you're not able to talk with
about politics. I think most of us have that situation
(12:20):
because we are a deeply divided country. I know whenever
they used to talk about the Civil War, they would
talk about well, you know, brother against brother and father
against son. So let's take a break. Six point seven
two five four or ten thirty six p seven nine
three one, ten thirty. We won't talk about this until
eleven o'clock. So I want some courageous people to call
(12:43):
me and tell me that they will take this pledge.
I will find someone this week who I'm currently not
talking with UH or not talking to about politics. I
will try to find someone this weekend UH. And I
just think it will be good for all of us.
And if you approach someone and they say no, I'm
not going to talk about it, well you've done your best.
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We'll be back on Nightside after.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
This Night Side, Dan Ray, I'm Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Back to the calls we go. Let me go to
Eileen and Cambridgehi, Eileen, welcome. How are you tonight.
Speaker 8 (13:22):
Well, I'm very interested in the conversation that you're having,
and I find that where I'm living, I feel there's
a lot of anti Trump sentiment.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
You're a Cambridge Welcome to Cambridge.
Speaker 8 (13:49):
Yes, And I you know, if I try to say,
I think Trump is the president of our United States,
and he has some ideas that never occurred to me,
and I think he merits being listened to.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yes, I bet I'll mentioned that's not tolerated really well
in the People's Republic of Cambridge.
Speaker 8 (14:17):
You are absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
We're not in Kansas. Total, We're not in Kansas anymore.
You know, I think that sometimes people who think of
themselves as the most open minded people in the world
actually and not all that open minded.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
That's discouraging. Is there anyone in your group that you
could say, Hey, I listened to a show called Nightside,
and I've taken the Nightside pledge. So I want to
have a conversation with you about politics. I don't want
to get mad at you, and I want you to
get mad at me. But let's just talk about what
(14:59):
our differences are, and maybe if there are some things
we agree upon. Is there any way that you could
use you know, this as kind of a conversation starter, do.
Speaker 8 (15:08):
You think absolutely? I am. I will I will do
that tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I mean we're we're on the air Monday through Friday night.
They may never have listened to us. The the the
signature of this program is reasonable. People can disagree reasonably.
Most people think they're reasonable. If you went to one
hundred people and said are you reasonable or unreasonable? I
think all of them will say I'm very reasonable. Make
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them prove it.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
I lean.
Speaker 8 (15:42):
Well, look, thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Thank you, Dan, Thanks, and I appreciate it for.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
Very I'll be in touch.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I'm looking for people to take the night side pledge here. Thanks.
Thanks Ily, talk to you soon. Good And by the way,
don't get in the fight with anybody if they don't
want to, just you know, don't worryorry about it. Thanks.
Speaker 8 (16:01):
Well, you know what, if somebody wants to fight with me,
I tell them I would really prefer to talk about science,
especially the science of human language. And I mean that's
completely off out of range for most people being able
to or interested in discussing.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But anyway, well, I know that intellect you have that
capacity and you probably intimidate them a little bit. Thanks.
Do you soon give me?
Speaker 8 (16:32):
Well? Sometimes I feel okay? Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
By the way, the Red Sox did lose the opening
game of the Yankee series tonight. They lost four to one,
but there's two games left Saturday and Sunday, so all
is not lost. They only produced that two hits tonight,
so maybe they'll get their bats in tune tomorrow. Six
one seven, Oh, that line just failed. If you want
to get to a six one seven nine, got two
(16:57):
lines there. We're going to talk about this asking people
to take the night side pledge. Okay, And that means
you've got to find somebody who you disagree with politically
and just say, hey, look, I know we disagree politically,
but at least we can have a conversation. We can
still be friends. We have much more in common. We
live in a great country. We live in a democracy.
We don't live in a third world dictatorship, and nor
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will we ever live in a third world dictatorship. Because
we are a one world country. We have all sorts
of advantages. Let's celebrate our differences and have a conversation.
I won't get mad at you. You won't get mad
at me, and we will. I'll give you an opportunity
to say your piece, and you'll give me an opportunity
to say my piece. And we may not come to
(17:42):
an agreement, but at least our friendship will be strengthened
or restored. That's the pitch you're willing to make it.
Speaker 11 (17:49):
Coming back on Nightside, You're on Night Side with Dan
Ray on WBS, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
All right, back to the calls we go, going to
go next to Joe Joe. You were next on Nightside. Welcome,
go right ahead, Joe.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Hi, Dan, Joe from Lynn. I agree with you, but
there are some people in our community that won't do that.
My friend from Brighton, he changed gradually and we changed
someone else, like Charlie did Karen from Lemons. There are
some people that won't discuss it, you know I heard.
Speaker 12 (18:26):
Will you go?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Your job then, is not to find someone who won't
discuss it. Your job is your task. What I'm suggesting
your challenge is to find someone who you disagree with,
but you have a sense that maybe they'll at least
be willing to talk with you, particularly in the context
of this murder. I mean, what do you think this
(18:47):
kid is thinking tonight, he's twenty two years old.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
His whole life is ruined.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Totally ruined. But can you imagine a week ago tonight.
I have no idea what he was doing, but he
was probably sitting in his home with his family. Maybe
he was out with his friends. I don't know. But
now he's going to be in a jail cell. Assuming
that this is the right guy, If he's the guy
(19:14):
that pulled the trigger, they got him dead to rights.
He's going to be in a jail cell until maybe
he himself is executed. What is he got to be thinking.
He's got to be thinking, so what why did I
do this? I mean, forget the idea that you've taken
the life of another human being. Yeah, I mean, I
mean it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
It's hard not to hate. The only people I hate
are bad people. But that's another issue. This guy didn't
do anything. I like Charlie. I wish I could have
met him. You could talk to him and disagree, and
that's how he changed people. Some of them change their
minds gradually. But when people say I hate this, I
mean I don't agree with Trump on a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well that's a that's a hero. That's a way in
which you can approach somebody who you could say, look,
we may have some issues we agree upon. I'm just saying,
you gotta break We got to start breaking down some
of these walls, all of us people who we know
and who are decent people. I have a friend of mine.
I'm not going to mention his last name, but he
(20:23):
used to live in the town next door to me.
I knew him very well. But he is a He's
opposite me politically, and we exchange emails. But you know,
it's like he is the same as I am. But
for some reason he has developed this feeling towards Trump
(20:46):
that he will that that he's the worst human being
in history. And look, you know I don't I don't
want to sort of argue make the arguments here, Joe,
That's not my point. I just want to courage people
to try to if they can, to reach out to
someone this weekend, take what I'm calling the night Side pledge,
(21:07):
and that is we'd like to chat. Let's let's have
a conversation. Maybe we can touch upon politics and we
can find some areas of agreement. Maybe maybe not whatever,
maybe some day.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Will come to an agreement.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
We're gonna.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Instead of just hating, instead of dis hating people. I
hate Trump, and now I personally didn't like Biden, but
I could discuss it. Some people they won't discuss it
if they hate Trump. He's a I mean, granted, he
has people in his family that don't like him, but
that's another issue. But there's no reason that he's the
worst man in the world. I mean, I don't have
(21:45):
to learn how to discuss their differences.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
All right, Thanks, Nanis, Joe, talk to you soon. Appreciate
your called. Okay, we're going next to Mike in New Hampshire. Mike,
you're next time Knightsacer right ahead.
Speaker 12 (21:55):
Hey, Dan, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I'm doing great, Mike. How are you tonight?
Speaker 12 (22:01):
I'm on my way home from bill Rick left work.
So yeah, you know, I've had the opportunity in a
couple of different ways. I've actually had the local turning
point at my house for a meeting.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Really and yeah, I've.
Speaker 12 (22:20):
Been more involved in politics in this last year than
I ever have been in my whole life.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Okay, there's a lot to get involved with, that's for sure.
Speaker 12 (22:29):
Absolutely. The reason being is that I really feel we're
at a turning point. In America because there's so much
hostility that you know, these these young men that and
young people that are involved with Turning Point, most of
them have a great heart. They're trying to do the
right thing for the right reasons. So yeah, we had
(22:51):
we had a meeting at my house, probably forty to
fifty people there, and and I was really impressed with
the local New England Turning Point. And it's supposed to
be I believe I got a text tonight saying there's
going to be an event in New Hampshire this coming weekend.
About one hundred percent sure yet until I get home.
But even so, through this whole thing, Ray is Dan,
(23:16):
I'm sorry, no problem. I've had the opportunity to share
at work and it's it's actually been a good thing.
And I will take a pledge and I will continue
to try to speak to people in a better you know,
in a non hostility the way.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Sure, so let me ask I want to ask you
a question. Go ahead, I want to ask you a question.
So you said that you're involved somewhat with this group
called Turning Point, which is the the group that Charlie
Krook founded. I thought the Turning Point was primarily college
age kids, is it? Is it also working people?
Speaker 12 (23:56):
Yeah, there's some people like well, like myself, I would
not be I'm out working with you know, the organization,
just a volunteer to help them. I come alongside these
young It is a younger, younger guy that's probably uh,
I don't think he's if he's thirty's, he's not quite
there yet. So he covers, he covers New England, the
(24:20):
one guy that I'm at.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
But the meeting that you had at your house, was
it people who were all under thirty or was it
a variety of I'm just wondering. My impression of Turning
Point was that it was always younger, younger people, college students,
college kids, high school kids.
Speaker 12 (24:38):
Well, so it was a group of honestly, or the
group of Republicans that were you know, we meet at
my house not every month but frequently, to try to
encourage younger people to get involved, okay, and so we
invited them to come out and they spoke and it
was the fundraise, but also to encourage the younger generation
(25:00):
to get involved.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Fair enough, Okay, Well.
Speaker 12 (25:05):
My involvement with Turning Point, well, good for you.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
How old are you? If I could ask Mike, you know, okay, yeah,
so you would be the exception to the rule. And
let's you know, as I say, I'm sure you've got
people at work or in your circle of friends who
you disagree with. I'm just trying to set an example
and say, look, you know we were you know, violence
(25:31):
under Bernie Sanders was right. I played the SoundBite from
Bernie Sanders. Violence under no circumstances is acceptable. It's as
simple as that. It's as simple as that. I feel
horrible to think that this guy, Charlie Kirk, was killed.
Not because I tended to believe with many of his points.
(25:52):
I'm not a member of Turning Point or anything like that,
but he seemed like a guy who liked to engage
in conversation and then debate. But I felt horrible that
he would be killed. I told the story last night
that way back when I was a TV reporter in
the nineteen eighties, I was scheduled interview Jesse Jackson one
day in New York during the nineteen eighty four presidential
(26:15):
Democratic primary, and we both landed at LaGuardia Airport kind
of the same time, and we both ended up walking,
you know, towards the baggage claim, and I introduced myself
because I had scheduled an interview with him. We had
scheduled an interview the next day, and it was that
night that there was a Democratic congressman from well from
(26:38):
New York named Alan Lowenstein who was assassinated. I mean,
there's just too many assassinations when I think of assassinations.
You know, the guy that killed John Lennon. Why would
you kill John Lennon other than to try to make
a name for yourself. And I keep coming back to
this kid tonight, sitting in the jail in at the
(26:59):
age of two, twenty two. I mean, this kid's life
is ruined. He ruined it for himself. I don't have
any sympathy for him, but he should be out at
twenty two. He should be able with his friends tonight,
having fun. He should be out at his friends tonight,
you know, trying to beat meet other young people, whether
they are involved in politics or not. He's never going
to have that opportunity, assuming he's the guy that pulled
(27:21):
the trigger, and certainly the evidence looks pretty overwhelming. He
enjoys the presumption of innocence. I get that, but in
the point of fact, how does he put his head
in the pillow and say to himself, this is what
I got for the future of my life. How about
his father who apparently turned him in. Imagine what an
agonizing decision that had to have been.
Speaker 12 (27:44):
Right, No, it's uh, let me ask you, what do
you think is behind it?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Well?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I think that the that a lot of it is
that people are in their political silos. You know a
lot of folks only watch Fox, only watch CNN, or
only watch MSNBC, And I think that they have closed
off to other people, that a lot of friendships have
ended over politics. Look, the government will go on. It's
(28:14):
never going to be perfect. You know that someone someday
there'll be another president besides Donald Trump. Someday there'll be
a Democratic president. That's the way this country' span look
back at history. Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman. What did you
have you get? Dwight Eyesenhow for eight years? Okay, things
were kind of quiet? What did we have? The new Frontier?
(28:36):
Jack Kennedy, then his vice president, Lyndon Johnson kind of
you know, got the thing going in Vietnam more than
it should have been, and he had to quit. Dick
Nixon gets elected. I mean, it's it's a pendulum that
goes back and forth in democracy. It's never gonna happen
in my life and never going to happen in your
life that either of these parties are going to go away.
(28:57):
There'll always be a Republican Party. Maybe it would become
the Conservative Party, maybe become Trump Vance Party. I don't know.
But there'll always be one party that represents their points
of view on the economy, on free speech, or whatever
foreign policy, and they'll be the Democratic Party. So I
don't know. I just look at this kid and I
(29:18):
think to himself, you kill the guy who's a father,
a son, and a husband, and he leaves two children
and a wife behind big man. And you know, I
would have been more impressed if this kid had gone
up and tried to sucker punch Jolly Kirk. Why'd you
have to kill him? You know? What's that about?
Speaker 12 (29:39):
Well, there's there's even some people that have taken joy
in the fact that he was killed.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Those people, those people are sick people, Okay, those people.
Speaker 12 (29:48):
And some of them I read today at work while
I was at work. There's two in New Hampshire, and
I believe one him in one or two in Massachusetts
that were teachers that made statements on social media as
like they thought that was.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
A good thing, and well they've disqualified themselves as teachers
as simple as that. Hey, Mike, I got to run here.
Thank you very much for the conversation.
Speaker 12 (30:14):
I mean, Dan, talk too soon.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Stuff when you have two first names. Okay, my name
is all right, thanks Mike. Six one seven thirty six
one seven nine three thirty. I'm looking for people who
will take a pledge here and say they're going to
reach out to someone within their family, within their circle
of friends that they know they disagree politically, and say, hey, look,
let's have a conversation. Let's see if we have some
(30:38):
areas of agreement. This this alienation, uh, which which turns
into isolation and then it turns into anger. And you
saw what it turned into uh in Utah on Wednesday.
It is it's astonishing to think that a week ago,
(30:59):
this twenty two year old suspect was free. He had
his whole life in front of him. Charlie Kirk had
his whole life in front of him. Both lives are
destroyed by one trigger pull by one individual. Back on Nightside,
Right after this.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
It's Night Side with Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Well, go to Glenn, Glenn, welcome back. How are you, sir?
Speaker 13 (31:25):
Well, I'm a little depressed.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Go I'd hear that about him?
Speaker 13 (31:30):
Well, I hear about a woman getting stabbed on a train,
you know, in North Caroline. And then I hear about
Charlie Kirk, who to me is now the Democrats or
whoever killed him made him a martyr for the First Amendment.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I think you're right on that. I do agree that,
no question about that.
Speaker 13 (31:54):
Can I tell you what's sad thing that happened to
me in the winter of Oees?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Does it have relevance to what we're talking about? Go ahead, right,
go ahead.
Speaker 13 (32:03):
My sister in law, my brother calls me on a
Sunday morning at eight thirty. Now, this was the primary,
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Okay, and I don't know
out of ramow. She says, I hope you're voting for
a woman. And I says, well, I'm voting for Barack
because he's against the Oh no, no, you got to
(32:24):
vote for a woman.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I said, Okay, what do.
Speaker 13 (32:28):
You mean, I gotta she goes, we need a woman.
I says, it has to be the right woman, and okay.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
You don't give me, don't they give me? Like the
rebated transcript of the conversation, how did it end?
Speaker 13 (32:40):
It ends that she she had me blocked from calling
my brother.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Well, you know what, you should have sent a letter
to the brother in law or whomever it was. It said, hey, yeah,
you can't let people I don't do you good?
Speaker 13 (32:58):
I never got a response.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Well, maybe the brother in law is a jerk too.
I don't know.
Speaker 13 (33:05):
I don't know the people.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
It's a brother, okay, brother, your brother, okay, so your brother, well,
your brother then is a jerk.
Speaker 13 (33:13):
And he and I have never had a price. We've
gotten along.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Go to go to counseling. Go to counseling. If you
were willing to go to counsel I can't deal with that, Glenn.
I mean, it's a that's a family matter. Again. I
know that you're someone Where did they live.
Speaker 13 (33:32):
On the border of Westerly Rhode Island in Stonington, Connecticut?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, So so you don't have the people know that
you're blind. You don't have the ability to jump in
your car someday and drive down there and ring the
doorbell and say, what's what's wrong with you? People?
Speaker 7 (33:46):
You know?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
You just deal with it, man, and just find other friends.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
All right?
Speaker 13 (33:50):
Because somebody did draw me down there and they threatened
to threaten to call the police.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Well, I think that's a sign they don't want to
talk to you. I would think.
Speaker 13 (33:59):
Over hearing me versus Obama, what do you want me
to do about it? No, I don't want you to
do anything. I'm saying no.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
I know.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Well, that's that shows how extreme they are, that that
person is impossible to reach. Write them off. But maybe
there's some other people in your life who can't be reached.
Maybe this assassination will wake some people up. Glenn.
Speaker 13 (34:25):
Okay, well I haven't been able to find any.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Well, you know, I think that I think that there
were those people out there, Glenn. I got to run.
I got three other costume. I wish I could. I
could do some family counseling here, but I don't have
to know.
Speaker 13 (34:40):
That's not what I'm looking for. I'm just making an
example of someone that just won't you know, have a polt.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I got it. Well, there are people out there who
I'm not saying they will. I'm just saying, at least
you tried, I'd write them off. Write them off, Glenn.
It's as simple as that, you know. It's like it's
like when you were a single guy and you're trying
to get a date with the prom queen and she
has no interest in you, and you ask five times
and and you get well, I'm busy. No, at some point,
(35:11):
you gotta take the point. You gotta you gotta take
the hint. Okay, Yeah, all right, we'll talk later. Thanks. Thanks,
claim to talk to you soon. I got again, folks.
I I'm becoming I'm gonna become less patient with my callers.
It's as simple as that. And I hope you'll understand.
Go ahead, Tom, You're next on night side.
Speaker 12 (35:31):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Man.
Speaker 14 (35:31):
Listen, this kid should definitely not get the death penalty.
I I agree, he should spend his life in jail.
I feel bad for the kid. It's like it's like
giving the German soldiers a death penalty for what Hitler
did in Germany. He was just a sport soldier for
Jasmine Crockett and for Schulma and Tim Wallas. He was
(35:54):
just a soldier for them, people who wanted to kill Trump.
I listened to a montage on the radio well, you know.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Here's the thing, Tom. You want to go into the
trump rand, which is fine, I'll give you that for
like thirty seconds. The point is this kid. No one
forced this kid to get in his car, drive four miles,
bring a rifle with him and kill Charlie Kirk. This
kid is over the age of reason. He's twenty two
years of age. He has thrown his life away. I'm sorry.
(36:25):
He will never see the light of day if he's guilty,
and we'll give him the presumption of innocence, not much
but a little bit. Uh. And he lives in a
state where they have the death penalty. He gave the
death penalty to Charlie Kirk, who was thirty one years old,
a father or son and the husband who gave him
the authority to do that.
Speaker 14 (36:45):
Dam he was brainwashed. Jad mean crocket to get the
death penalty.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
You know that's crazy. She's never killed anybody. Tom, You
plank Rob. Let's have the plank, all right, Tom, you
have the honor of the first plank. Let me go
to Billico House at Billy next to Nights.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
I go ahead, Bill, Hey, Dan, how are you first
time my collra I've listened to you for a while.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, thanks very much, have you you don't get the plank,
you get a round of applause. Go ahead, Bill, No.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I have children twenty three to thirty one, and you know,
you know they grew up in math school. They were
brainwashing college. And you know, all I try to do
is takom. You know, I try to because I'm a
conservative Republican, but I just try to talk to him
about the issues. I mean, because I look at this
twenty two year old kid, to your point, his life
(37:37):
is ruined. And did he really even understand what he
was doing? Did he really understand who Charlie Kirk was?
Speaker 12 (37:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
You know what, Yeah, but he probably well he probably
had an impression. I'll tell you what he did understand.
He did understand if he climbed up on that roof
and he took his big gun and he fired it
at Charlie Kirk and he hit him, you know, in
his Coronada or Kirk, Who's going to be dead and
apparently he had the skill to do that.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, it got to be accountable for your actions. I mean,
I you know what, I saw it yesterday. One of
my daughters showed it to me. At first, I was
very sad for his family, and then I was very
angry because you know, here's what I watched with these kids.
They're on these social media outlets, and you know what
has really made me angry is people actually getting on
(38:29):
social media and praising the fact that this kid assassinated
him of his family. I mean, it's disgusting. It's discussing
what's going on in this country. I mean, how are
these people raised?
Speaker 12 (38:42):
Right?
Speaker 4 (38:43):
It's just and you know, you look what happened in Minnesota.
And I don't care what side of the isle of
you're on. You know what's going on is just crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I do believe that, right, Bill, I hear the frustration
your voice. I hope you'll take the night Side Pledge
nonetheless and try to reach out to one of your kids.
Maybe this will shock one of them into saying, gee,
you know I need to at least have a conversation
(39:13):
with my family members with whom I disagree.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah, no, I do. I actually try all the time.
And you know what, they get older, they're listening.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
More and tell what you can do is tell tell
them that this is a Nightside Pledge and that I
challenge the audience to do this maybe that will give
you a little bit more. You know, it's wasn't you
tell them it wasn't your idea. But this crazy talk
show host on WBZ thinks that maybe we can get reconciled.
Blame it on me, throw me under the bus, okay,
(39:43):
And if they say no, thanks, Bill, I have a
great one you too. All Right, you know what I'm
gonna do. We're gonna go into the next hour, which
is the twentieth hour, and we're gonna stick with this
nightside pledge. Joe Stu Day right there, Matt, feel free.
We're gonna talk in the next hour. Are you willing
(40:05):
to take the night side pledge? This is the twentieth hour.
We're gonna be positive. Are you willing to take the
night side pledge? Go to a member of your family,
go to a neighbor and say, hey, look, this is
crazy cruck show host. His name is Dan Ray on
WBZ eight to midnight Monday through Friday night. And he
challenged the listeners. And I'm a listener of his, and
this is the challenge. We'll be back right after the
(40:28):
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