June 26, 2025 • 41 mins
Have you noticed when you now go to your local pharmacy or department store some of the products you need are locked up thus inconveniencing you to track down an associate to retrieve that item? MA Congressman Jake Auchincloss is pointing to Democrats and how he believes they need to improve their quality-of-life violations to “save the party”, going as far as saying, “every time a customer has to ask the CVS clerk to unlock the shampoo, Democrats get less popular,”. Echoing Rep. Auchincloss’ concerns, Boston Globe opinion writer Carine Hajjar wrote a piece reporting on a shift in the Democratic Party that could scare away a big chunk of their base, working class voters. Carine joined us to discuss.
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I am delighted to welcome back to night Side my
favorite Boston Globe columnist, Koree Hajjar Korean. Welcome back to Nightside.
How are you.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
I'm good, Thanks for having me on. Glad to be here.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, what people need to know is that you grew
up in Milton, You went to a high school. You
went to the girls high school in Denham.
Speaker 7 (02:57):
Correct, that's right.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Yeah, I went to Earth One Ursuline Academy. Okay, Uh,
and went on to Harvard. Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And you have been involved as a journalist, and now
you are on the opinion page of the Globe, and
you're one of there's a there's a there's a group
of people at the Globe who comprise I guess the
editorial board. And uh, you probably are the youngest member
of the Boston Globe's editorial board, and as far as
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I'm concerned, probably the smartest too. But that's my own
personal opinion. I want to put you in trouble with
your colleagues, and now you will be writing a piece
every week. Now, this one actually was on the opinion page,
was not on what I would call the op ed page.
Is there any significance to its location in today's newspaper?
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Well, first, I gotta say, I learn a lot from
my colleague. So but I appreciate what you what you're
saying as a.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Person, that's just a personal opinion, do you know what
I'm saying, Like my my new favorite Red Sox players,
the rookies who have just come up. So you know
you're not a rookie, don't get me wrong, But I
can express my my personal favorites. So the piece today,
which is on this Democratic Socialist show Ron Mamdani, who
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has just won the Democratic nomination in New York, kind
of get to the substance of the piece. But it's
on the it's on what's called the opinion page. But
I like to think of it as the editorial page
as opposed to the op ed page.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Is that a distinction without a difference.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
So the opinion staff is one staff, and the editorial board,
you know, we all sort of work under that umbrella.
But you have our off eds that can be written
by editorial board members like myself, but also people contribute
all the time. I'm sure you've seen different. You know, politicians, acts,
leaders contribute to our pages. And then the editorials are
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the majority or are you know? The voice of the
Boston World editorial board consisting is my colleagues and myself.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I wrote about eighty op edge for the Globe
when Tom Winship was the editor back in the nineteen
seventies while I.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Was in law school. Actually, so bang out.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I love opinion pieces, and I love your opinion pieces.
This one is entitled bodenple Baby nepple Baby as class
Warriors Zohan zoorn Mundani embodies the left's luxury beliefs. I
loved the article. I thought it was really interesting. First
of all, what is a nepple baby. I've had to
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look that one up. I know what it is, but
it's in you. It's in the headline. Explain to us.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
It's the thing basically, you know, child of nepotism, which
I have to give him credit for. He I recently
saw a clip and he does acknowledge it. He says,
quote nepotism and hard work goes a long way, so
at least he fusses up to it. But it was
just a ton of tongue in cheeks, sort of fun
way to drive home the point of the piece.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Okay, so this is to me extremely interesting that this
fellow who I guess as a member of the State Assembly,
he's a thirty three year old Democratic Socialist. He's sort
of from the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party.
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Now Bernie has always been thought of as this anomaly
within the Democratic Party Vermont a little different than Bernie
had been the mayor of Burlington from wont and he
works hard. But this guy at thirty three could be
the next mayor of New York City. And I suspect
that there's a lot of people who are even both
excited about it and a bunch of other people within
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the Democratic Party who are concerned. Let's talk about the piece.
What's the big message for people who haven't yet read
the piece but will hopefully find the piece and read
it sometime tonight or tomorrow. What's the big message?
Speaker 5 (06:45):
You want to.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Impart in A big message here from this season in particular,
there's a lot to say about this race, and I'm
sure we'll get into it. Like you said, it says
a lot about the Democratic Party. Some people are some
people are very unhappy, and the reasons are interesting, but
this piece in particular really argues it just looks into
sort of the progressive tilt of the Democratic Party that
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we've seen increasing over the last really decade. In this
idea of luxury beliefs, which are you know, easy to
these sort of fashionable progressive beliefs that are easy to
say and sound quite nice, but really come at a
high cost and often come from, you know, people who
might not feel the full bunt of it. But the
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term itself was coined by Rob Henderson, who's a Globe
Opinion contributor and Fantastic Singer fellow at the Manhattan Institute,
and his definition of luxury beliefs is quote ideas and
opinions that confer status on the upper class at very
little cost, while often inflicting costs on the lower classes. Now,
if you look at Amondani's policies, rent freezes, public owned
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grocery stores, free child care, you know, not really doing
anything to address the hiring crisis and the NYPD, but
relying more on social workers while still not addressing the
decreasing number of props. I mean, those are those are
policies that very well could end up hurting the populations
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that he purports to help. And it was interesting to
see last night it was higher income people who tended
to vote for him. Cuomo won the black vote in
New York. So it's just a really interesting election.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, Colmo, of course came former governor of New York,
came to the UH to this race with with some
baggage himself, so he at this point a flawed candidate.
Seems to me that he's fighting below his weight or
punching punching down as a former governor. He's now going
to become the mayor of New York City. UH. It
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seems to me that that's an interesting progression. A few
years ago, many people thought that Andrew Cuomo UH might
have been the great hope for the Democratic Party as
a presidential candidate, you know, following in the footsteps of
Franklin Roosevelt. But such is not the case. And he
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apparently has now said that he is out of the race.
I mean, he lost, but he could have at that
point decided to try to get on the ballot as
an independent, but Mayor Adams is on the ballot as independent.
This guy now will have the Democratic nomination, upon which
seroon and generally there's a four loan fore lawn Republican
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or so who will be on the ballot. But this
race is really going to come down to Eric Adams
and literally a socialist who has said some pretty controversial
things about Israel and was I guess the founder at
Bowden of Students for Justice in Palestine. So this is
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this is going to be a huge race this November.
I mean that's going to I think tack the Democratic Party.
Whoever wins, either Adams wins in the party, maybe tax
a little bit back towards center. This guy wins in
this party now becomes the party of Elon Omar in
AOC and the most progressive wing of the Democratic Party.
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Or am I overstating it?
Speaker 7 (10:17):
No? I don't.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
I don't think you're overstating it at all. And actually,
as of an hour ago, it looks like Cuomo hasn't
dropped out of the race. He can still be on
the ballot. That does not mean he's going to go forward,
you know, and necessarily campaign again, but his name might
still appear on the ballot, and I.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Believe that's because ma'am mea and Donnie did not receive
above fifty percent of the vote.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Correct, I'm not I'm actually not quite sure about that.
This was sort of a contingency contingency plan from Cuomo.
Should he not win the primary, his name was still
going to be on the ballot. But you know, I
think you asked a really good question about what this
sort of says for Democrats right now, and I think
in a lot of cases, it's actually less about with
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the names that you've lifted aoc momdani on ilhan Omar,
but especially the first two, it's almost less about the
policies that they're selling, because I think at the end
of the day, like the American voter is busy if
they hear something that sounds appealing and nice, even though
you know, like a rent freeze in the end can
turn messy and it can be actually quite bad for
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the economy. But you know, they're saying nice things. But
more than that, it's the way that they're saying them.
I mean, he ran a great campaign. He was out
in the city all the time. His social media game
was fantastic. He's a charismatic speaker. He always has a
smile on his face. He was walking the length of
Manhattan to meet people from the top to the bottom.
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I mean, like it was a really well done, organic campaign.
And when you looked at Cuomo, who sort of, you know,
like you said, comes with his own baggage and is
like sort of of his own era and time. But
he in this race, he basically represents all of the
older Democrats who are trying to hold onto power, who
are trying to help steer the party in this Trump era,
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and he flopped and that is really significant.
Speaker 8 (12:13):
I think.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
I think Democrats are taking a really hard look at
what's happening now. There like competing there are different competing
visions for the future of the party. You have like
the idea of abundance and not being more of an
economic vision, and then you also have more of this
sort of socialist policy bubbling up. I think that's going
to be the policy battle. But the image of old
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versus new in this election really just characterizes what the
Democratic Party is facing.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Are there no.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Young Democrats in New York City elected who could have
taken this guy on. I mean, if he won this race, well,
let me do this. I got to hold that question
because I'm way past my break. Let's take a quick break.
I'll come back to that question. Where are the rational
young Democrats in Hajar, Boston Globe opinion columnist, has written
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a piece about the mayoral election of primary election that
was held in New York on Tuesday and the result.
If you'd like to join the conversation, especially if you
have some connection with New York, and I have a
lot of listeners in New York six one seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside, and I'm
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delighted to have Korean Hajar for the Boston Globe as
our guest.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
My guess from the Boston Globe opinion writer. She's also
remember the Globe editorial board. Kareen, Hajar, Kareen. The question
that I was asking, obviously, Mandamie's was thirty three. I
believe that Cuomo is sixty seven, so there's an age disparity.
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Where are the young Democrats to take on the Democratic Socialists?
I mean, if the Democratic party becomes a socialist party,
they're going to consign themselves to the dust bowl of history.
I believe maybe they know something I don't know, but
I don't think socialism. Socialism might work in deep blue
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New York City or in a couple of boroughs of
New York City, but I don't think it works nationally, right.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
And I think that's going to be the challenge here.
Like you saw a lot of excitement around this from
national Democrats. I mean, you have big names lining up
and congratulating Mom Dannie. I believe Bill Clinton congratulated him.
I believe Chuck Schumer congratulated him. So you know, people
are paying attention. But I think there's excitement around the
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excitement of this campaign. But like you said, it's not
scalable to the rest of the country. You're not going
to get, for example, a presidential candidate Democrat who runs
on a purely socialist platform who says he doesn't like capitalism,
like Zi, I mean, that's going to be a really
hard sell to a general election population, right. But I
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think I think if there is any positive lesson for
Democrats to take away from this as just the way
that he campaigned and also the use of all of this.
I do believe that voters are There was a great
analysis by the president of the Manhattan Institute and the
Free Pros Today basically saying it's like you know, it's
it's voters want something fresh. They want something new from
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democratic party that has you know, become defined by people
who have been in power for decades. They want new ideas,
and even if those ideas are like a little zany uh,
they're just going to be happy with the newness of it.
So I think that's for the lesson to take well.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I haven't heard too many establishment establishment Democrats used the
phrase globalize the as has been reported. Mindani uses this.
I think he's got a problem with with And again
I realized that New York City is not Tel Aviv,
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and New York City is not a part of Israel,
but there's a pretty significant Jewish population. When he's got
a guy running from mayor who has used the phrase
globalize the Intifada and who himself organized a group called
Students for Justice in Palestine when he was undergraduate at
Boten I'm not Jewish, but that would bother me.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
There is a lot of you can just see it
in a lot of the commentary from the Jewish community.
People are really nervous about just you know, the phrases
that he's used, some of the policies that he's voted before,
you know, previously in the Assembly. So there's nerves about that,
and that's going to be something that Eric Adams, the incumbent,
is really going to focus on. I'm sure. I mean,
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he has sort of positioned himself as a more Israel
friendly candidate, and I'm sure is going to be spending
a lot of time courting the very large Jewish community
in New York.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
And then this he's talked about city run grocery stores.
There's a lot of countries, socialist countries or communist countries
that have had you know, government run grocery stores. And
the prices are really low with those grocery stores, except
the commodities and the products aren't available. I mean, you
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can get a gallon of milk for a nickel, but
there's no local available.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
So what difference does it make.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I mean, this is I'm being totally serious when I
say that people that dumb, that they don't understand that
our system, our economic system, has provided just a plethora
of options and choices for people go try to go
to a grocery store in North Korea or in many
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of the countries that have tried communism or socialism and failed.
What how how does this guy got what like thirty
three thousand votes or something or some I mean he
hold up a big number of votes, right.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Yeah, he sure did. I mean he at least based
on the you know, he won forty three point five
percent of the vote to Cuomo's thirty six point four percent,
according to the New York Times. So but but you
know that, you know, the grocery store point is definitely
a source spot for me. I mean, my mom's a
Venezuelan immigrant.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Oh and okay, yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
And this is just sort of the stuff that was
sold as a shiny new idea in the early you know,
in the pre Chavista into travisa era, and you know,
by the time that it really developed and got and
got bad. As we've been watching over over a decade,
you know, it was hard for my grandmother to get
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her my late grandmother to get her insulin. It was
hard to get It's not just groceries, it's medicine, it's everything,
does everything.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Absolutely, it's a it's so so your family was there
when shot is swept into power in Venezuela.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Yeah, some of my family. My mom has since she's
an American citizen, but she you know, we have family there,
and it really, I mean, Venezuela is a remarkable, beautiful
country and it's just been absolutely destroyed and hampered by
this terrible ideology.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Unbelievable. I mean, look at Cuba. I mean they don't
have any new cars. They're cannibalizing cars from the nineteen fifties. Yeah,
it's unbelievable. And you're saying it's the wealthy people in
New York who tended to vote for this guy. Who
do the wealthy people think this guy is going to
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tax in order to pay for all of these theoretical
government benefits.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Well, my first comment the after Cuomo sort of conceded
the election on election night was, you know, as much
as progressives thet ron DeSantis, they sure love expanding his
tax base because that's exactly what it's going to happen.
Chicago is a warning. You know, so many big businesses
left Chicago, some go into Miami because they knew it
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was just a business friendlier climate, better for your taxes.
If you're you know, a high earner, but you're the one,
you know. New York needs high earners. It has a
lot of projects that has a big budget, and this
is just the stuff that's going to keep pushing people
over the edge and into into Florida.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Wow, let's we'll get some phone calls six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty
those in the lines you can talk with Boston Globe
opinion writer and also member of the Boston Globe editorial Board,
Korean Hajar. And I am just if this article today
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is in the in the Globe, if you have access
to it to your Globe, and I hope you do. Uh,
I have access. I have a I actually get to
still get my paper delivered at the door for the Globe.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
I read the Herald online.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I read a lot of the papers online, but I
love to have at least one newspaper where I can
get some newsprint on my fingers. Traditions die hard in
my mind. We'll be back on night side with phone
calls and koreem Well comments on this potentially ground shaking
a primary election in New York City. I just don't
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understand how a Democrat like Chuck Schumer is going to
be able to be comfortable with this guy, but we'll
find out coming back. And by the way, a long
New York has come a long day, long way from
the days of John Lindsay and Ed Koch to this guy.
We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
My guest is Boston Globe opinion columnist Korean Hajra. We
are talking about the the the election, the primary election
in New York City. You know, it wasn't too many
primaries ago that AOC upset Congressman Murphy, who was a
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long time serving US congressman. So New York primaries do
have the element of surprise.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Korean, they sure do.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Yeah, I think I think that is an early example
of just like how a very organic grassroots campaign, no
matter how nutty the ideas are, can actually, you know,
really succeed in gain momentum.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Well, I mean there are some nutty ideas on the
Republican side too. I mean, you have.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
You have the extremes in both parties, and those extremes
help the other party. As far as I'm concerned, that
you can hold a scene in Georgia without a crazy Republican,
or you could hold a seat in Colorado, and you
could hold seats in New York with normal Democrats who.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I just it's amazing. Let's go to the call. It's
going to go to Steve and Cambridge. Steve, you are
next to your first this hour a night siut with
Kareen Hasak.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Go right ahead, Steve, good evening. Dan is it Kareem
k I r e e n no.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
C A r I ny if the pronunciation is wrong,
Koreean to help me out.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Kareen, you got it?
Speaker 7 (23:19):
Korean b A r I n e karne Yes. I mean,
I don't know. I think you and Dan are making
a little bit more of this than it really needs
to be made. When a party loses an election as
badly as the Democrats lost the last election, it always
takes time for them to find some footing. So I
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and I think all these predictions of demise of the
Democratic Party or catastrophe might be a little premature.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
I'm not predicting that, Steve.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I don't know that Koreen is us either, but but
when you have you know Bertie Sanders can be seen
as sort of an idiosyncret and out of Vermont because
Vermont is such a small state. But when you have
someone like this who might be elected mayor of New
York City, I mean, this guy makes de Blasio look
like some right wing conservative.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
Karine, you Dan, You're probably right, But Karin, did you
see de Blasio. He was on the television the other
night celebrating the victory of this primary candidate, and basically
all he talked about was how this candidate was now
going to stand up to Donald Trump. He didn't say
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anything really about New York at all.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Well, that doesn't come as a huge size, but you know,
I think that sort of touches on a big theme
in this election that we haven't talked as much about
as also just how this is. You know, both parties
are going to use this as fodder against each other.
The duns are going to say, here's somebody who can
stand up to Trump, which, by the way, is just
not the mayor of New York's job. The mayor of
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New York job is to deal with the considerable challenges.
You know, one of the most prominent American, one of
the most prominent worldwide city dealed with right now. But
you know, Republicans are already gleefully leaning into, you know,
the all of the imagery of a socialist leading New York.
As much as they probably don't like it, there's also
a little bit of excitement about being able to run
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against it. You can already tell. I mean, I think
it was Scott Brown that posted a picture today of
mom Donnie aot next Kristapas, who he's running against her tennant.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, I mean, Scott problems with us last night as
a matter of fair career. So yeah, when.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
You keep saying that his ideas are nutty, I mean
Bernie Sanders. Some people thought that if Bernie Sanders had
run instead of Biden, he might have beaten Trump. I mean,
there are a lot of people who really like Sanders.
I may not. You may not like Dan may not,
but I don't think I think a lot of his
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ideas resonate with an awful lot of American people.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
I'm not so sure that I agree that it's the ideas.
I mean, at the end of the day, campaigns are
first and foremost about getting your image out there and
spreading excitement, and I think that this campaign just did
a really good job at that. If you, I'm I'd
be skeptical to think, I mean, maybe it could eat
by in liberal New York. I wouldn't be surprised, but
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I'd be skeptical to think that a fully a full
blown socialist could win president of the United States.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Let me ask you one last question if I may,
because I know there are other callers waiting, But I
read your column on the editorial page regarding Trump's bombing
of Iran. Yes, you wrote a column, and I thought
you My impression was you thought it was probably a
good move on his part. I think it was.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
No.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
But okay, my question is I had I had stopped
reading the Globe for an awfully long time because I
thought it was too biased to the left and anti Trump,
and then I saw your column and I was like,
very surprised that that was in the Globe. Has the
Globe made an effort, in your opinion to kind of
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have a little bit more of a mixed opinion as
opposed to a leftist or liberal opinion, Because I was
again surprised to see your column in the Globe praising Trump.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
I have to say, you know, I'm not always I
call them like I see him. It's not always positive,
it's not always negative. But at the end of the day,
I mean, speaking just from my experience, I felt completely
welcome as a conservative writer. And I think if you
check out our op ed our ideas section, you're going
to find a lot of heterodox ideas there. It's not
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just liberal ideas.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Well.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Way, Steve, By the way, just so you know, Karine
is a Harvard graduate. She grew up in Milton and uh,
very impressive background, to be really honest with you, And
I think the Globe has has decided to retain her
her services not because of her political philosophy, but because
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of her intelligence and her skill her skillful writing. And uh,
that's that's what any smart newspaper we're doing. Maybe the
Globe is going to get a little smarter in his
old age.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Well, it certainly seems to me that the Globe is
getting smarter, and I'm very glad to see Karine to
be part of its staff.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
All right, thanks, thank you, Steve. Appreciation it. Okay, let's
keep rolling here. Kareen Tom is in West Virginia. Tom,
You're next on Nightside, Go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, damn, A good program. Tonight. Thank you. You know,
I'm overdosed with information that has coming left and right
with what's going on with a twenty four hour news cycle.
But as far as New York is concerned, I honestly
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hope this guy wins the Socialist because.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
You're not a socialist. People should know. I know you. You're
not a socialist.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You're a former union member who believes the Democratic Party
has strayed very far from its core constituency.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, and for the record, Dan, my union affiliation of
the IBW. I went to the Springfield convention as a
delegate in Mission hill Ward ten Precinct three. I was
a delegate. Do you know how hard it is to
get elected for the first time as a delegate in
the state Democratic Party convention. You've got to have six
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of your friends on a July weekend, Saturday, listen to
three hours of nonsense, all right, to sit there and
vote for you.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Okay, so, but but you have left the Democratic Party
as a lot of Yeah, well again, you've given me
the history before, so I don't want to waste your
time here.
Speaker 9 (30:13):
I just fair.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Enough, fair enough, no, fair enough. And I was a
staunch Democrat in the eighties that party of my youth
I'm sixty five now no longer exists. And you know something,
these people that want free everything, you know something, Please
elect somebody like that. Let's see what happens. And unfortunately,
(30:39):
I hate to cut to the chase, but white people
in Eastern Europe rejected communism of where everything was free.
Back then it failed miserably. Talk to someone from Poland,
talk to somebody from Ukraine, Talk to somebody from Russia
that's sixty five, and ask him how was life being
a comrade under the.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
No question things? Things were free, but the things weren't available.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I could say, I could say to you, hey, I
have you know I could I can tell you I
can sell you something for two dollars. But if I
don't have a supply to sell you, what, what good
is that? That's the I made that point earlier. You
and I agree on that. I spend time, not a
lot of time, but I spent time in Poland before
the curtain fell, and you couldn't find orange juice. The
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only people who had orange juice. I went ten days
over there without orange juice. In my last day there,
I asked one of the apparatchiks who was assigned to
be Uh. She said, you know, is there anything we
can do for you? And I said, yeah, can I
get some vitamin C it The only thing they had
over there at breakfast was black carrnge juice, which is undrinkable.
So anyway, the points you make are very solid, Tom,
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and I understand your your support of this guy, not philosophically,
but you'd like to see him prove to his his
contents how in effective his beliefs will be in New
York City.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
He wants to give away everything.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I hope he gives away season tickets to the Yankees,
the Mets, the Giants, and the Rangers and the Knicks.
You know they I if he's given away give away everything.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
All I can tell you is that the apparatics of
the Future are one of the people that work for
National Public Radio. Take care of my friend. And I
enjoy your column from the Boston Globe.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
I guess the Korean hr Korean.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I don't mean to go off on this, but I
just I look at this and I think to myself,
the people, and your column makes it very clear the
people who are going to be hurt most.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
By this guy's election.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
If it were to come to be, will be people
at the lower end of the the economic ladder.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Oh yeah, and this is what I mean. I used
crime for the most part of example throughout the piece
as this. You know, it doesn't seem like he wants
to beep up the New York Police Department at all,
but wants to create sort of this I believe, the
Department of Community Safety or something like that. You know,
instead of more police on the platforms, you're going to
see more social workers or community outreach liaison things like that. Well,
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the problem is, I mean nothing against expanding mental health
support for almost New Yorkers. There's really a need for
more services, and it breaks my heart to see how
some people are living in the city. But you know,
sometimes those encounters do turn violent, and I share some
of my own scarier encounters on the subway just in
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the last year. I mean, I've been genuinely extremely scared
a couple of times over the past year. And so
I think this is an This is just like a
quality of life issue that affects all New Yorkers. But
you know, higher crime areas of the city, you're usually
looking at lower income people and this hurts them.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Yeah, it certainly does.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Got to take a very quick break, Korean, and we'll
get to a couple of more callers. And I know
you have an early day to morrow. I'm so glad
that we could get you in here at the nine
o'clock hour. I promise you we'll be done at about
nine fifty eight. Coming right back on Nightside with Kaarin
Hajar the Boston Globe. She is an opinion columnist and
also a member of the Globe's editorial board. And I
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command the Globe for expanding the philosophical viewpoints within their
editorial board. And I believe that Karin has had some
influence on different policy issues of the glopist wil pind about.
We'll be back on Nightside right after these messages.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
All right, let's get back to the calls here, and
we're going to go to Robin Rhode Island, Bob and
Rhode Island. Excuse me, Bob, You're next on Nightside with
Kareine Hajar of the Boston Globe. And if Bob's not
if Rob is if Bob is not ready, we'll go
to Susan in did I know I missed the I missed,
I missed.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Go ahead, Bob, that's my fault A right ahead, Bob.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
Yeah. First of all, Dan, I don't think you'd ever
be employed by the Boston Lobe because you're a Trump person,
a Republican.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
You know what it's like.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
You talk to my guest, Great, if you wanted again inaccuracy,
you know you're you're somebody. You're amazing to me, Bob,
because you are always you know, never in doubt, often mistaken.
But but let's talk to the guests. And because i've
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Speaker 8 (35:31):
Hey, I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders. I'm in favor
of this guy great from New York in the primary
that just got won the Democratic primary. Great because the
moron that's the president.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Now, okay, again you want to attack Trump.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
We've got plenty of time to attack Trump talking about
I have a good night, Bob, take it easy.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Let's go to Susan. Susan, you're going to get extra
time because Bob was a knuckle in. Go ahead, Susan.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
Can high Koreen.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Susan is one of my best, my best Cambridge liberal callers. Korean.
Speaker 10 (36:06):
Just so you know, go ahead, Susan, Hey, Susan, and
waited to see Hey, I kind of waited to see
if any New Yorkers work would would call in so
and since they haven't been, really I will.
Speaker 8 (36:19):
I used to I lived in New York.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
You'll fill the void.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Okay, if you once went to a Yankee game, so
you're qualified, go ahead.
Speaker 9 (36:27):
I did go to Yankee k So anyways, Uh so
I still go down there. Lot, still have a lot
of friends there in like teachers, in finance, medical, so
kind of a wide range. And I kind of pulled
them before, you know that a couple of days before,
(36:48):
you know, like who are you voting for? Because I
was like, God, I don't know who I would vote
for in this situation, you know, and uh, nobody had
this guy as their top uh their top person. It's
a you know, it's a ranked choice. A couple of
them had them, had them down the ballot.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
And when we're getting tied on time, what what's your
what's your point? He's established he was a surprise winner.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Go ahead.
Speaker 9 (37:17):
My point is that people were really upset with the choices.
I don't think you can you need to know how
much people in New York City despise Cuomo because of
what happened between him and de Blasio last time around.
They think Adams is corrupt. So a lot of them,
you know, settled on land or who actually he's Jewish,
(37:39):
but he's also endorsed uh Man Donnie. So but in
any event, I think I think it's a question of
of just poor choices. And along that line, why are
we not discussing that Curtis Leewa yet again ran unopposed
for Republicans.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Well, the Republicans are not a real factor in New York, and.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Curtis Sleewa is is kind of a side show. I
don't even consider him seriously. Seriously, kareein what would you
want to respond to what Susan had to say?
Speaker 6 (38:14):
Well, I think you're right, Susan. I mean I heard,
I personally from my friends, heard a lot of frustration
with the choices as well. And I think that, uh,
I think that a lot of folks. I mean, you
saw like a lot of young college educated people vote
for Mumdanni, a lot of you know, higher he basically
got a lot of the white vote, a lot of
the Asian vote, some of the Hispanic vote, but not
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sort of the coalition that you would necessarily expect based
on the Working Clouds deal of of what he was
putting forward. But it was just it was difficult decisions.
I mean, you laid out why the three big names
that are well first Quono and Mumdani, but going into
this election, Mumdanni and Adams baggage on both sides. So
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it's going to be really interesting to see how this goes.
And I'm curious that you you know, how your friends
are going to think about those two choices, right right.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
I suspect Susan's friends are going to probably line up
behind Mendami if this Susan's friends who was my friend
as well.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
But I think they're far more less than I actually am.
Speaker 10 (39:17):
Dan So, but.
Speaker 9 (39:18):
Just to remind you that wasn't Uh, wasn't Guliani Republican,
wasn't uh Bloomberg three terms Republican.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
So they they had a lot of money, Okay, they
they both had a edition. Giuliani had name recognition as
a US attorney, right, and Bloomberg had a lot of money.
And John Lindsay was a Republican. You can go back
John Lindsay. But the Republican Party in New York is
a shell of what it once was, and it's gonna
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the choice is not going to be between Adams and Well.
Speaker 9 (39:55):
I think when that happens, that actually has an effect
on the Democrats as well. You want a good loyal opposition.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
So I'd like two party I'd like I'd like the
two parties in Massachusetts. Susan and I talk about that
a lot. You know that. Hey, Susan, I got to run.
I'm so glad that that that that I was able to.
We should have put Bob in the water, because you
just God control himself. God control himself. But you are
always a great caller, and I appreciate it very much.
Thanks Susan, very weekend. Good night, uh, and Kareem, thank
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you very much. It's it's going to be a great race.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
It's going to be really interesting to watch this country
swings back and forth and let's see where where it
ends up. I've been around long enough to have seen
Democrats Republicans at the national level will go back and forth,
and maybe New York City is going to go way
over to the left, and there will be there will
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be some people who will pay the price, that's for sure.
Koreem as always, thank you very much, thank you for
the work you do with the Globe, and say hi
to all of my friends the Globe, both of them. Okay,
oh kidding, Thanks Green, have a great night. All right,
we are done for this hour. Here comes the news
and we're going to talk about comments that another Democrat, Congressman,
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Jake Archincloss, has made today, which I think are pretty insightful.
Back on night Side after this
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Speaker 2 (02:31):
I am delighted to welcome back to night Side my
favorite Boston Globe columnist, Koree Hajjar Korean. Welcome back to Nightside.
How are you.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
I'm good, Thanks for having me on. Glad to be here.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, what people need to know is that you grew
up in Milton, You went to a high school. You
went to the girls high school in Denham.
Speaker 7 (02:57):
Correct, that's right.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Yeah, I went to Earth One Ursuline Academy. Okay, Uh,
and went on to Harvard. Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And you have been involved as a journalist, and now
you are on the opinion page of the Globe, and
you're one of there's a there's a there's a group
of people at the Globe who comprise I guess the
editorial board. And uh, you probably are the youngest member
of the Boston Globe's editorial board, and as far as
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I'm concerned, probably the smartest too. But that's my own
personal opinion. I want to put you in trouble with
your colleagues, and now you will be writing a piece
every week. Now, this one actually was on the opinion page,
was not on what I would call the op ed page.
Is there any significance to its location in today's newspaper?
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Well, first, I gotta say, I learn a lot from
my colleague. So but I appreciate what you what you're
saying as a.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Person, that's just a personal opinion, do you know what
I'm saying, Like my my new favorite Red Sox players,
the rookies who have just come up. So you know
you're not a rookie, don't get me wrong, But I
can express my my personal favorites. So the piece today,
which is on this Democratic Socialist show Ron Mamdani, who
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has just won the Democratic nomination in New York, kind
of get to the substance of the piece. But it's
on the it's on what's called the opinion page. But
I like to think of it as the editorial page
as opposed to the op ed page.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Is that a distinction without a difference.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
So the opinion staff is one staff, and the editorial board,
you know, we all sort of work under that umbrella.
But you have our off eds that can be written
by editorial board members like myself, but also people contribute
all the time. I'm sure you've seen different. You know, politicians, acts,
leaders contribute to our pages. And then the editorials are
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the majority or are you know? The voice of the
Boston World editorial board consisting is my colleagues and myself.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I wrote about eighty op edge for the Globe
when Tom Winship was the editor back in the nineteen
seventies while I.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Was in law school. Actually, so bang out.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I love opinion pieces, and I love your opinion pieces.
This one is entitled bodenple Baby nepple Baby as class
Warriors Zohan zoorn Mundani embodies the left's luxury beliefs. I
loved the article. I thought it was really interesting. First
of all, what is a nepple baby. I've had to
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look that one up. I know what it is, but
it's in you. It's in the headline. Explain to us.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
It's the thing basically, you know, child of nepotism, which
I have to give him credit for. He I recently
saw a clip and he does acknowledge it. He says,
quote nepotism and hard work goes a long way, so
at least he fusses up to it. But it was
just a ton of tongue in cheeks, sort of fun
way to drive home the point of the piece.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Okay, so this is to me extremely interesting that this
fellow who I guess as a member of the State Assembly,
he's a thirty three year old Democratic Socialist. He's sort
of from the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party.
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Now Bernie has always been thought of as this anomaly
within the Democratic Party Vermont a little different than Bernie
had been the mayor of Burlington from wont and he
works hard. But this guy at thirty three could be
the next mayor of New York City. And I suspect
that there's a lot of people who are even both
excited about it and a bunch of other people within
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the Democratic Party who are concerned. Let's talk about the piece.
What's the big message for people who haven't yet read
the piece but will hopefully find the piece and read
it sometime tonight or tomorrow. What's the big message?
Speaker 5 (06:45):
You want to.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Impart in A big message here from this season in particular,
there's a lot to say about this race, and I'm
sure we'll get into it. Like you said, it says
a lot about the Democratic Party. Some people are some
people are very unhappy, and the reasons are interesting, but
this piece in particular really argues it just looks into
sort of the progressive tilt of the Democratic Party that
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we've seen increasing over the last really decade. In this
idea of luxury beliefs, which are you know, easy to
these sort of fashionable progressive beliefs that are easy to
say and sound quite nice, but really come at a
high cost and often come from, you know, people who
might not feel the full bunt of it. But the
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term itself was coined by Rob Henderson, who's a Globe
Opinion contributor and Fantastic Singer fellow at the Manhattan Institute,
and his definition of luxury beliefs is quote ideas and
opinions that confer status on the upper class at very
little cost, while often inflicting costs on the lower classes. Now,
if you look at Amondani's policies, rent freezes, public owned
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grocery stores, free child care, you know, not really doing
anything to address the hiring crisis and the NYPD, but
relying more on social workers while still not addressing the
decreasing number of props. I mean, those are those are
policies that very well could end up hurting the populations
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that he purports to help. And it was interesting to
see last night it was higher income people who tended
to vote for him. Cuomo won the black vote in
New York. So it's just a really interesting election.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Well, Colmo, of course came former governor of New York,
came to the UH to this race with with some
baggage himself, so he at this point a flawed candidate.
Seems to me that he's fighting below his weight or
punching punching down as a former governor. He's now going
to become the mayor of New York City. UH. It
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seems to me that that's an interesting progression. A few
years ago, many people thought that Andrew Cuomo UH might
have been the great hope for the Democratic Party as
a presidential candidate, you know, following in the footsteps of
Franklin Roosevelt. But such is not the case. And he
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apparently has now said that he is out of the race.
I mean, he lost, but he could have at that
point decided to try to get on the ballot as
an independent, but Mayor Adams is on the ballot as independent.
This guy now will have the Democratic nomination, upon which
seroon and generally there's a four loan fore lawn Republican
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or so who will be on the ballot. But this
race is really going to come down to Eric Adams
and literally a socialist who has said some pretty controversial
things about Israel and was I guess the founder at
Bowden of Students for Justice in Palestine. So this is
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this is going to be a huge race this November.
I mean that's going to I think tack the Democratic Party.
Whoever wins, either Adams wins in the party, maybe tax
a little bit back towards center. This guy wins in
this party now becomes the party of Elon Omar in
AOC and the most progressive wing of the Democratic Party.
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Or am I overstating it?
Speaker 7 (10:17):
No? I don't.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
I don't think you're overstating it at all. And actually,
as of an hour ago, it looks like Cuomo hasn't
dropped out of the race. He can still be on
the ballot. That does not mean he's going to go forward,
you know, and necessarily campaign again, but his name might
still appear on the ballot, and I.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Believe that's because ma'am mea and Donnie did not receive
above fifty percent of the vote.
Speaker 6 (10:42):
Correct, I'm not I'm actually not quite sure about that.
This was sort of a contingency contingency plan from Cuomo.
Should he not win the primary, his name was still
going to be on the ballot. But you know, I
think you asked a really good question about what this
sort of says for Democrats right now, and I think
in a lot of cases, it's actually less about with
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the names that you've lifted aoc momdani on ilhan Omar,
but especially the first two, it's almost less about the
policies that they're selling, because I think at the end
of the day, like the American voter is busy if
they hear something that sounds appealing and nice, even though
you know, like a rent freeze in the end can
turn messy and it can be actually quite bad for
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the economy. But you know, they're saying nice things. But
more than that, it's the way that they're saying them.
I mean, he ran a great campaign. He was out
in the city all the time. His social media game
was fantastic. He's a charismatic speaker. He always has a
smile on his face. He was walking the length of
Manhattan to meet people from the top to the bottom.
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I mean, like it was a really well done, organic campaign.
And when you looked at Cuomo, who sort of, you know,
like you said, comes with his own baggage and is
like sort of of his own era and time. But
he in this race, he basically represents all of the
older Democrats who are trying to hold onto power, who
are trying to help steer the party in this Trump era,
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and he flopped and that is really significant.
Speaker 8 (12:13):
I think.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
I think Democrats are taking a really hard look at
what's happening now. There like competing there are different competing
visions for the future of the party. You have like
the idea of abundance and not being more of an
economic vision, and then you also have more of this
sort of socialist policy bubbling up. I think that's going
to be the policy battle. But the image of old
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versus new in this election really just characterizes what the
Democratic Party is facing.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Are there no.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Young Democrats in New York City elected who could have
taken this guy on. I mean, if he won this race, well,
let me do this. I got to hold that question
because I'm way past my break. Let's take a quick break.
I'll come back to that question. Where are the rational
young Democrats in Hajar, Boston Globe opinion columnist, has written
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a piece about the mayoral election of primary election that
was held in New York on Tuesday and the result.
If you'd like to join the conversation, especially if you
have some connection with New York, and I have a
lot of listeners in New York six one seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside, and I'm
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delighted to have Korean Hajar for the Boston Globe as
our guest.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
My guess from the Boston Globe opinion writer. She's also
remember the Globe editorial board. Kareen, Hajar, Kareen. The question
that I was asking, obviously, Mandamie's was thirty three. I
believe that Cuomo is sixty seven, so there's an age disparity.
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Where are the young Democrats to take on the Democratic Socialists?
I mean, if the Democratic party becomes a socialist party,
they're going to consign themselves to the dust bowl of history.
I believe maybe they know something I don't know, but
I don't think socialism. Socialism might work in deep blue
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New York City or in a couple of boroughs of
New York City, but I don't think it works nationally, right.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
And I think that's going to be the challenge here.
Like you saw a lot of excitement around this from
national Democrats. I mean, you have big names lining up
and congratulating Mom Dannie. I believe Bill Clinton congratulated him.
I believe Chuck Schumer congratulated him. So you know, people
are paying attention. But I think there's excitement around the
(14:45):
excitement of this campaign. But like you said, it's not
scalable to the rest of the country. You're not going
to get, for example, a presidential candidate Democrat who runs
on a purely socialist platform who says he doesn't like capitalism,
like Zi, I mean, that's going to be a really
hard sell to a general election population, right. But I
(15:06):
think I think if there is any positive lesson for
Democrats to take away from this as just the way
that he campaigned and also the use of all of this.
I do believe that voters are There was a great
analysis by the president of the Manhattan Institute and the
Free Pros Today basically saying it's like you know, it's
it's voters want something fresh. They want something new from
(15:28):
democratic party that has you know, become defined by people
who have been in power for decades. They want new ideas,
and even if those ideas are like a little zany uh,
they're just going to be happy with the newness of it.
So I think that's for the lesson to take well.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I haven't heard too many establishment establishment Democrats used the
phrase globalize the as has been reported. Mindani uses this.
I think he's got a problem with with And again
I realized that New York City is not Tel Aviv,
(16:03):
and New York City is not a part of Israel,
but there's a pretty significant Jewish population. When he's got
a guy running from mayor who has used the phrase
globalize the Intifada and who himself organized a group called
Students for Justice in Palestine when he was undergraduate at
Boten I'm not Jewish, but that would bother me.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
There is a lot of you can just see it
in a lot of the commentary from the Jewish community.
People are really nervous about just you know, the phrases
that he's used, some of the policies that he's voted before,
you know, previously in the Assembly. So there's nerves about that,
and that's going to be something that Eric Adams, the incumbent,
is really going to focus on. I'm sure. I mean,
(16:45):
he has sort of positioned himself as a more Israel
friendly candidate, and I'm sure is going to be spending
a lot of time courting the very large Jewish community
in New York.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
And then this he's talked about city run grocery stores.
There's a lot of countries, socialist countries or communist countries
that have had you know, government run grocery stores. And
the prices are really low with those grocery stores, except
the commodities and the products aren't available. I mean, you
(17:19):
can get a gallon of milk for a nickel, but
there's no local available.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
So what difference does it make.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I mean, this is I'm being totally serious when I
say that people that dumb, that they don't understand that
our system, our economic system, has provided just a plethora
of options and choices for people go try to go
to a grocery store in North Korea or in many
(17:46):
of the countries that have tried communism or socialism and failed.
What how how does this guy got what like thirty
three thousand votes or something or some I mean he
hold up a big number of votes, right.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Yeah, he sure did. I mean he at least based
on the you know, he won forty three point five
percent of the vote to Cuomo's thirty six point four percent,
according to the New York Times. So but but you
know that, you know, the grocery store point is definitely
a source spot for me. I mean, my mom's a
Venezuelan immigrant.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Oh and okay, yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
And this is just sort of the stuff that was
sold as a shiny new idea in the early you know,
in the pre Chavista into travisa era, and you know,
by the time that it really developed and got and
got bad. As we've been watching over over a decade,
you know, it was hard for my grandmother to get
(18:46):
her my late grandmother to get her insulin. It was
hard to get It's not just groceries, it's medicine, it's everything,
does everything.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Absolutely, it's a it's so so your family was there
when shot is swept into power in Venezuela.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Yeah, some of my family. My mom has since she's
an American citizen, but she you know, we have family there,
and it really, I mean, Venezuela is a remarkable, beautiful
country and it's just been absolutely destroyed and hampered by
this terrible ideology.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Unbelievable. I mean, look at Cuba. I mean they don't
have any new cars. They're cannibalizing cars from the nineteen fifties. Yeah,
it's unbelievable. And you're saying it's the wealthy people in
New York who tended to vote for this guy. Who
do the wealthy people think this guy is going to
(19:41):
tax in order to pay for all of these theoretical
government benefits.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Well, my first comment the after Cuomo sort of conceded
the election on election night was, you know, as much
as progressives thet ron DeSantis, they sure love expanding his
tax base because that's exactly what it's going to happen.
Chicago is a warning. You know, so many big businesses
left Chicago, some go into Miami because they knew it
(20:09):
was just a business friendlier climate, better for your taxes.
If you're you know, a high earner, but you're the one,
you know. New York needs high earners. It has a
lot of projects that has a big budget, and this
is just the stuff that's going to keep pushing people
over the edge and into into Florida.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Wow, let's we'll get some phone calls six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty
those in the lines you can talk with Boston Globe
opinion writer and also member of the Boston Globe editorial Board,
Korean Hajar. And I am just if this article today
(20:47):
is in the in the Globe, if you have access
to it to your Globe, and I hope you do. Uh,
I have access. I have a I actually get to
still get my paper delivered at the door for the Globe.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
I read the Herald online.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
I read a lot of the papers online, but I
love to have at least one newspaper where I can
get some newsprint on my fingers. Traditions die hard in
my mind. We'll be back on night side with phone
calls and koreem Well comments on this potentially ground shaking
a primary election in New York City. I just don't
(21:24):
understand how a Democrat like Chuck Schumer is going to
be able to be comfortable with this guy, but we'll
find out coming back. And by the way, a long
New York has come a long day, long way from
the days of John Lindsay and Ed Koch to this guy.
We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
My guest is Boston Globe opinion columnist Korean Hajra. We
are talking about the the the election, the primary election
in New York City. You know, it wasn't too many
primaries ago that AOC upset Congressman Murphy, who was a
(22:08):
long time serving US congressman. So New York primaries do
have the element of surprise.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Korean, they sure do.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Yeah, I think I think that is an early example
of just like how a very organic grassroots campaign, no
matter how nutty the ideas are, can actually, you know,
really succeed in gain momentum.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Well, I mean there are some nutty ideas on the
Republican side too. I mean, you have.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
You have the extremes in both parties, and those extremes
help the other party. As far as I'm concerned, that
you can hold a scene in Georgia without a crazy Republican,
or you could hold a seat in Colorado, and you
could hold seats in New York with normal Democrats who.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I just it's amazing. Let's go to the call. It's
going to go to Steve and Cambridge. Steve, you are
next to your first this hour a night siut with
Kareen Hasak.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Go right ahead, Steve, good evening. Dan is it Kareem
k I r e e n no.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
C A r I ny if the pronunciation is wrong,
Koreean to help me out.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
Kareen, you got it?
Speaker 7 (23:19):
Korean b A r I n e karne Yes. I mean,
I don't know. I think you and Dan are making
a little bit more of this than it really needs
to be made. When a party loses an election as
badly as the Democrats lost the last election, it always
takes time for them to find some footing. So I
(23:42):
and I think all these predictions of demise of the
Democratic Party or catastrophe might be a little premature.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
I'm not predicting that, Steve.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I don't know that Koreen is us either, but but
when you have you know Bertie Sanders can be seen
as sort of an idiosyncret and out of Vermont because
Vermont is such a small state. But when you have
someone like this who might be elected mayor of New
York City, I mean, this guy makes de Blasio look
like some right wing conservative.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
Karine, you Dan, You're probably right, But Karin, did you
see de Blasio. He was on the television the other
night celebrating the victory of this primary candidate, and basically
all he talked about was how this candidate was now
going to stand up to Donald Trump. He didn't say
(24:32):
anything really about New York at all.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Well, that doesn't come as a huge size, but you know,
I think that sort of touches on a big theme
in this election that we haven't talked as much about
as also just how this is. You know, both parties
are going to use this as fodder against each other.
The duns are going to say, here's somebody who can
stand up to Trump, which, by the way, is just
not the mayor of New York's job. The mayor of
(24:56):
New York job is to deal with the considerable challenges.
You know, one of the most prominent American, one of
the most prominent worldwide city dealed with right now. But
you know, Republicans are already gleefully leaning into, you know,
the all of the imagery of a socialist leading New York.
As much as they probably don't like it, there's also
a little bit of excitement about being able to run
(25:18):
against it. You can already tell. I mean, I think
it was Scott Brown that posted a picture today of
mom Donnie aot next Kristapas, who he's running against her tennant.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yeah, I mean, Scott problems with us last night as
a matter of fair career. So yeah, when.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
You keep saying that his ideas are nutty, I mean
Bernie Sanders. Some people thought that if Bernie Sanders had
run instead of Biden, he might have beaten Trump. I mean,
there are a lot of people who really like Sanders.
I may not. You may not like Dan may not,
but I don't think I think a lot of his
(25:56):
ideas resonate with an awful lot of American people.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
I'm not so sure that I agree that it's the ideas.
I mean, at the end of the day, campaigns are
first and foremost about getting your image out there and
spreading excitement, and I think that this campaign just did
a really good job at that. If you, I'm I'd
be skeptical to think, I mean, maybe it could eat
by in liberal New York. I wouldn't be surprised, but
(26:23):
I'd be skeptical to think that a fully a full
blown socialist could win president of the United States.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
Let me ask you one last question if I may,
because I know there are other callers waiting, But I
read your column on the editorial page regarding Trump's bombing
of Iran. Yes, you wrote a column, and I thought
you My impression was you thought it was probably a
good move on his part. I think it was.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
No.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
But okay, my question is I had I had stopped
reading the Globe for an awfully long time because I
thought it was too biased to the left and anti Trump,
and then I saw your column and I was like,
very surprised that that was in the Globe. Has the
Globe made an effort, in your opinion to kind of
(27:19):
have a little bit more of a mixed opinion as
opposed to a leftist or liberal opinion, Because I was
again surprised to see your column in the Globe praising Trump.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
I have to say, you know, I'm not always I
call them like I see him. It's not always positive,
it's not always negative. But at the end of the day,
I mean, speaking just from my experience, I felt completely
welcome as a conservative writer. And I think if you
check out our op ed our ideas section, you're going
to find a lot of heterodox ideas there. It's not
(27:55):
just liberal ideas.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Well.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Way, Steve, By the way, just so you know, Karine
is a Harvard graduate. She grew up in Milton and uh,
very impressive background, to be really honest with you, And
I think the Globe has has decided to retain her
her services not because of her political philosophy, but because
(28:22):
of her intelligence and her skill her skillful writing. And uh,
that's that's what any smart newspaper we're doing. Maybe the
Globe is going to get a little smarter in his
old age.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Well, it certainly seems to me that the Globe is
getting smarter, and I'm very glad to see Karine to
be part of its staff.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
All right, thanks, thank you, Steve. Appreciation it. Okay, let's
keep rolling here. Kareen Tom is in West Virginia. Tom,
You're next on Nightside, Go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, damn, A good program. Tonight. Thank you. You know,
I'm overdosed with information that has coming left and right
with what's going on with a twenty four hour news cycle.
But as far as New York is concerned, I honestly
(29:15):
hope this guy wins the Socialist because.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
You're not a socialist. People should know. I know you. You're
not a socialist.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
You're a former union member who believes the Democratic Party
has strayed very far from its core constituency.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, and for the record, Dan, my union affiliation of
the IBW. I went to the Springfield convention as a
delegate in Mission hill Ward ten Precinct three. I was
a delegate. Do you know how hard it is to
get elected for the first time as a delegate in
the state Democratic Party convention. You've got to have six
(29:56):
of your friends on a July weekend, Saturday, listen to
three hours of nonsense, all right, to sit there and
vote for you.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Okay, so, but but you have left the Democratic Party
as a lot of Yeah, well again, you've given me
the history before, so I don't want to waste your
time here.
Speaker 9 (30:13):
I just fair.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Enough, fair enough, no, fair enough. And I was a
staunch Democrat in the eighties that party of my youth
I'm sixty five now no longer exists. And you know something,
these people that want free everything, you know something, Please
elect somebody like that. Let's see what happens. And unfortunately,
(30:39):
I hate to cut to the chase, but white people
in Eastern Europe rejected communism of where everything was free.
Back then it failed miserably. Talk to someone from Poland,
talk to somebody from Ukraine, Talk to somebody from Russia
that's sixty five, and ask him how was life being
a comrade under the.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
No question things? Things were free, but the things weren't available.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I could say, I could say to you, hey, I
have you know I could I can tell you I
can sell you something for two dollars. But if I
don't have a supply to sell you, what, what good
is that? That's the I made that point earlier. You
and I agree on that. I spend time, not a
lot of time, but I spent time in Poland before
the curtain fell, and you couldn't find orange juice. The
(31:25):
only people who had orange juice. I went ten days
over there without orange juice. In my last day there,
I asked one of the apparatchiks who was assigned to
be Uh. She said, you know, is there anything we
can do for you? And I said, yeah, can I
get some vitamin C it The only thing they had
over there at breakfast was black carrnge juice, which is undrinkable.
So anyway, the points you make are very solid, Tom,
(31:49):
and I understand your your support of this guy, not philosophically,
but you'd like to see him prove to his his
contents how in effective his beliefs will be in New
York City.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
He wants to give away everything.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I hope he gives away season tickets to the Yankees,
the Mets, the Giants, and the Rangers and the Knicks.
You know they I if he's given away give away everything.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
All I can tell you is that the apparatics of
the Future are one of the people that work for
National Public Radio. Take care of my friend. And I
enjoy your column from the Boston Globe.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
I guess the Korean hr Korean.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I don't mean to go off on this, but I
just I look at this and I think to myself,
the people, and your column makes it very clear the
people who are going to be hurt most.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
By this guy's election.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
If it were to come to be, will be people
at the lower end of the the economic ladder.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Oh yeah, and this is what I mean. I used
crime for the most part of example throughout the piece
as this. You know, it doesn't seem like he wants
to beep up the New York Police Department at all,
but wants to create sort of this I believe, the
Department of Community Safety or something like that. You know,
instead of more police on the platforms, you're going to
see more social workers or community outreach liaison things like that. Well,
(33:17):
the problem is, I mean nothing against expanding mental health
support for almost New Yorkers. There's really a need for
more services, and it breaks my heart to see how
some people are living in the city. But you know,
sometimes those encounters do turn violent, and I share some
of my own scarier encounters on the subway just in
(33:37):
the last year. I mean, I've been genuinely extremely scared
a couple of times over the past year. And so
I think this is an This is just like a
quality of life issue that affects all New Yorkers. But
you know, higher crime areas of the city, you're usually
looking at lower income people and this hurts them.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Yeah, it certainly does.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Got to take a very quick break, Korean, and we'll
get to a couple of more callers. And I know
you have an early day to morrow. I'm so glad
that we could get you in here at the nine
o'clock hour. I promise you we'll be done at about
nine fifty eight. Coming right back on Nightside with Kaarin
Hajar the Boston Globe. She is an opinion columnist and
also a member of the Globe's editorial board. And I
(34:19):
command the Globe for expanding the philosophical viewpoints within their
editorial board. And I believe that Karin has had some
influence on different policy issues of the glopist wil pind about.
We'll be back on Nightside right after these messages.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
All right, let's get back to the calls here, and
we're going to go to Robin Rhode Island, Bob and
Rhode Island. Excuse me, Bob, You're next on Nightside with
Kareine Hajar of the Boston Globe. And if Bob's not
if Rob is if Bob is not ready, we'll go
to Susan in did I know I missed the I missed,
I missed.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Go ahead, Bob, that's my fault A right ahead, Bob.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
Yeah. First of all, Dan, I don't think you'd ever
be employed by the Boston Lobe because you're a Trump person,
a Republican.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
You know what it's like.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
You talk to my guest, Great, if you wanted again inaccuracy,
you know you're you're somebody. You're amazing to me, Bob,
because you are always you know, never in doubt, often mistaken.
But but let's talk to the guests. And because i've
got another callity.
Speaker 8 (35:31):
Hey, I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders. I'm in favor
of this guy great from New York in the primary
that just got won the Democratic primary. Great because the
moron that's the president.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Now, okay, again you want to attack Trump.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
We've got plenty of time to attack Trump talking about
I have a good night, Bob, take it easy.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Let's go to Susan. Susan, you're going to get extra
time because Bob was a knuckle in. Go ahead, Susan.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
Can high Koreen.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Susan is one of my best, my best Cambridge liberal callers. Korean.
Speaker 10 (36:06):
Just so you know, go ahead, Susan, Hey, Susan, and
waited to see Hey, I kind of waited to see
if any New Yorkers work would would call in so
and since they haven't been, really I will.
Speaker 8 (36:19):
I used to I lived in New York.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
You'll fill the void.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Okay, if you once went to a Yankee game, so
you're qualified, go ahead.
Speaker 9 (36:27):
I did go to Yankee k So anyways, Uh so
I still go down there. Lot, still have a lot
of friends there in like teachers, in finance, medical, so
kind of a wide range. And I kind of pulled
them before, you know that a couple of days before,
(36:48):
you know, like who are you voting for? Because I
was like, God, I don't know who I would vote
for in this situation, you know, and uh, nobody had
this guy as their top uh their top person. It's
a you know, it's a ranked choice. A couple of
them had them, had them down the ballot.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
And when we're getting tied on time, what what's your
what's your point? He's established he was a surprise winner.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Go ahead.
Speaker 9 (37:17):
My point is that people were really upset with the choices.
I don't think you can you need to know how
much people in New York City despise Cuomo because of
what happened between him and de Blasio last time around.
They think Adams is corrupt. So a lot of them,
you know, settled on land or who actually he's Jewish,
(37:39):
but he's also endorsed uh Man Donnie. So but in
any event, I think I think it's a question of
of just poor choices. And along that line, why are
we not discussing that Curtis Leewa yet again ran unopposed
for Republicans.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Well, the Republicans are not a real factor in New York, and.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Curtis Sleewa is is kind of a side show. I
don't even consider him seriously. Seriously, kareein what would you
want to respond to what Susan had to say?
Speaker 6 (38:14):
Well, I think you're right, Susan. I mean I heard,
I personally from my friends, heard a lot of frustration
with the choices as well. And I think that, uh,
I think that a lot of folks. I mean, you
saw like a lot of young college educated people vote
for Mumdanni, a lot of you know, higher he basically
got a lot of the white vote, a lot of
the Asian vote, some of the Hispanic vote, but not
(38:37):
sort of the coalition that you would necessarily expect based
on the Working Clouds deal of of what he was
putting forward. But it was just it was difficult decisions.
I mean, you laid out why the three big names
that are well first Quono and Mumdani, but going into
this election, Mumdanni and Adams baggage on both sides. So
(38:58):
it's going to be really interesting to see how this goes.
And I'm curious that you you know, how your friends
are going to think about those two choices, right right.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
I suspect Susan's friends are going to probably line up
behind Mendami if this Susan's friends who was my friend
as well.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
But I think they're far more less than I actually am.
Speaker 10 (39:17):
Dan So, but.
Speaker 9 (39:18):
Just to remind you that wasn't Uh, wasn't Guliani Republican,
wasn't uh Bloomberg three terms Republican.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
So they they had a lot of money, Okay, they
they both had a edition. Giuliani had name recognition as
a US attorney, right, and Bloomberg had a lot of money.
And John Lindsay was a Republican. You can go back
John Lindsay. But the Republican Party in New York is
a shell of what it once was, and it's gonna
(39:51):
the choice is not going to be between Adams and Well.
Speaker 9 (39:55):
I think when that happens, that actually has an effect
on the Democrats as well. You want a good loyal opposition.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
So I'd like two party I'd like I'd like the
two parties in Massachusetts. Susan and I talk about that
a lot. You know that. Hey, Susan, I got to run.
I'm so glad that that that that I was able to.
We should have put Bob in the water, because you
just God control himself. God control himself. But you are
always a great caller, and I appreciate it very much.
Thanks Susan, very weekend. Good night, uh, and Kareem, thank
(40:24):
you very much. It's it's going to be a great race.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
It's going to be really interesting to watch this country
swings back and forth and let's see where where it
ends up. I've been around long enough to have seen
Democrats Republicans at the national level will go back and forth,
and maybe New York City is going to go way
over to the left, and there will be there will
(40:49):
be some people who will pay the price, that's for sure.
Koreem as always, thank you very much, thank you for
the work you do with the Globe, and say hi
to all of my friends the Globe, both of them. Okay,
oh kidding, Thanks Green, have a great night. All right,
we are done for this hour. Here comes the news
and we're going to talk about comments that another Democrat, Congressman,
(41:11):
Jake Archincloss, has made today, which I think are pretty insightful.
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