December 2, 2025 • 36 mins
The Massachusetts Seal, Flag, and Motto Advisory Commission is asking for another extension regarding its recommendations for a new state flag and seal. The commission says they need the extension because "there remains a fundamental public misunderstanding about why the flag’s controversial imagery needs to go” and they believe "that more time is needed to ensure robust community engagement.” What suggestion do you have for a new state flag and seal?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He's night side with Dan Ray WBS Boston's Me video.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thanks very much, Dan Watkins. By the way, at this
time tomorrow night, we will be talking with Rick Edelman.
I think most of you know that Rick Edelman is
a financial expert and he's written a new book called
The Truth about College and it's a very interesting book.
Had a chance to look at it quite a bit,
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having read it cover to cover, but we will talk
to him tomorrow night. A lot of surprising statistics that
he has in this book. Seventy college freshmen lists their
major as undecided. He doesn't see that as a problem.
And then he has some devoted to the top mistakes
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that parents make when guiding their children's educational choices. So
feel free, particularly if you have children of college age.
Tomorrow night at ten o'clock, Rick Edelman to take your calls,
take your questions if you are college admission panel generally
in November with Grant Gostlin of Boston College and Bill
fitz Simmons of Harvard. We've done that now for nineteen
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years with John Mahoney before Grant Gostin from Boston College.
And it's so important, it's such a big decision as
to what college your kids go to. So do take
advantage of Rick Edelman tomorrow night. He'll spend that hour
with us and take phone calls in the ten o'clock hour.
And the book is good. But if you have a question,
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as I say, the often said, the only questions, the
only dumb questions, of the questions you don't have the
courage to ask. Earlier tonight, I wanted to thank I
forgotten in the first hour, to thank a bunch of
folks who were kind of enough to call in and
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There were others from Connecticut. A woman from Connecticut did
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We're not going to put you on the air. Just
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Give us a call at six one, seven, two, five, four,
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And we did have problems with our own telephones last
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saw a lot of people who called in were put
on hold and then they dropped. Sometimes that does happen,
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and you are in a good zone when you reach us,
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So if you're out there tonight and you are listening
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stream streaming service on the Internet is getting through. And
we'd ask you just to invest about fifteen seconds to
call in and reassure Rob and me that, yeah, we're
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being hurt across the country. I see one of our
callers from Wisconsin calling in now, so we know at
least we're reaching Wisconsin tonight. And if you're out there
somewhere else, please give us a call. I did want
to tell you that that congressional race down in Tennessee
has been resolved. The Republican candidate. That was a district
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that President Trump carried by twenty two points last November.
And now it's of course thirteen months later and the
president is not on the ballot, but those results have
come in. That was a pretty solidly solidly Republican district.
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And see if I get you the numbers here we
get live results real quickly. This is the seventh congressional
district in Tennessee and Congress it's so it's so close
right now between the Republicans and the Democrats, and a
couple of members you know, switch from you know, one
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seat switches from one party to the other. It makes
a huge difference. At this point, Matt Van Epps has
defeated the Democrat often Ben b. E h N, by
about nine percent, fifty four to forty five. There were
three other people in the race who had a sprinkling
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of votes in independent candidates. Why people go through that,
I don't know. I guess they want to say that
they were in for Congress. But pretty big turnout looked
like it was close to one hundred and eighty thousand
people in a presidential election be more than that. But
with ninety nine percent of the votes counted, the Republican
Van Epps has held that seat as a Republican seat.
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The incumbent Congress Congressman Green, I guess, is taking a
position within the Trump administration, so the Republicans hold they
hold service in that seat. There's another special election tonight
in Houston where a Democrat will be elected because they
have a runoff down there and both Democrats both the
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top vote getters or Democrats, so it'll be one Democrat
or the other. And boy, I'll tell you a lot
of you being kind enough to call in and just
tell Rob, Yeah, the internet is working and it's very helpful.
I really do appreciate that I see an old high
school baseball teammate of mine is talking to Rob right now.
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Some of these numbers I can recognize and get to
know all of you. She thanks, thanks for calling in.
Bob was an outfielder anyway. I also want to mention
very quickly that we will be doing the Night Side
Charity combine this year. We've done it now. This will
be our thirteenth year. And for those of you who
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are unfamiliar with it, if you run a charity and
it doesn't have to be a big charity. But if
you run a legitimate charity, or if you are a
volunteer for charity, you can either call in and represent
that charity. Do it with obviously the approval of the
head of the charity, but feel free. We love to
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introduce our audience to new charities as well as to
some of the charities who are traditionally we profile. The
Shadow Fund will be back this year, the Mark Fidrich Foundation,
the great Detroit Tiger pitcher whose career ended too soon
after winning nineteen games in his rookie season with the
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Tigers in seventy six, and a Northborough, Massachusetts native who
also passed away in a tragic accident too soon. We
will have Mark Fidrich's wife and with us again, and
of course friends from Adopt a Platoon Sauti style. Kelly
will be back with us, and there will be some
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new charities that we profile. So what do you have
to do? You have to send me in the next
couple of days, because we only have a few spots
left to be honest with you, and once the spots
are filled, we might put you on a wait list
of two or three, but very few people drop out
of the last all you have to do. You will
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be on air interviewed by me live on Tuesday night,
December twenty third. We will tell you in advance when
you will be on air, Yeah, within you know approximately,
we'll tell you within which half hour, and we just
ask you to be by the phone. Rob will call
you just like you're a guest on the show. Talk
about your charity. Talk about what the mission of your
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charity is, what the purpose is, what group of people
do you help, whether it's children or people who are
homeless or elderly or whatever, and what you need to
make your charity better. Most charities are always looking for donations,
and you can give your website and you never know,
you get some more of donations, you get some more volunteers.
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Some charities really want volunteers. So this is an opportunity
where we basically give you a good three and a
half to four minutes, not long. There will be no
tough questions, that's for sure, whatsoever. And what you have
to do is send me an email. And if you
don't have my email, I will tell you right now.
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It's Dan ray d a n are Ea at I
heart meeting dot com. Simple as that, easy to get to.
You can find me on the internet. I will be
back in touch you here. I's back in touch today
with a great new charity called Second Serve out of
Rhode Island. Where do you hear about this charity? You
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get some fabulous clothes at incredibly inexpensive prices, and eighty
five percent of the money that there's no money that
the charity makes. Eighty five percent of the money then
gets donated to other charities. So there's so many great
charities that are doing such great work here in New
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England and around the country. We've had a couple of
charities outside of New England. I'm not opposed to that.
So again, you've got to send me an email, and
you've got to tell me the name and hopefully it's
your name, a daytime phone number so I can reach
you and we can set it up. Please do not say, oh,
there's a wonderful charity in our town, whatever it is,
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and I don't know who the person is, or I
know who the person is, why don't you call them? Now?
We don't do out calls in this It's as simple
as that. I don't want to be in a situation
where I'm calling someone saying do you want to be
on my show? That's not what this is about. This
is about charities wanting to get some radio, some airtime,
and be able to reach beyond the borders of their community,
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or of their town or wherever. So I hope have
made myself clear, Rob, I'm going to take a break,
but before I do, I want to tell folks what
I want to do for the balance of the evening.
And I'm just gonna weet your appetite a little bit
by telling you that we have here in Massachusetts a
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commission that has never really accomplished much. They were designated
by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts twice. Now the Massachusetts Seal,
Flag and Motto Advisory Commission is in its second term.
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The first time they couldn't agree on anything and they disbanded,
so they created a second The first one was created
in twenty twenty one, and after spending a lot of
taxpayers money, that commission disbanded and they created a second
one in twenty twenty three. As only we do. We're
here in Massachusetts and that commission now is going to
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probably disband, but they're going to ask for a an extension.
It looks like the Commission was supposed to finish its
work by last July. They asked for an extension to
December fifth, and they still have not accomplished their designated task.
This is almost humorous, but I am going to ask
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for volunteers of night Side listeners and we need to
have the night Side Commission established on the Massachusetts Flag
and Model Advisory Committee. UH. And I will explain to
you some of the proposals that have been submitted and
I guess are so called front runners. Front runners and
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the chmmissry that can't make a decision. We'll talk about
that if you want to jump on board and get
a head start six seven, two, five, four ten thirty
six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. We've talked
about it before. I want just the head of a
seal on our white flag, which is I think a
symbolic of surrender, a head of a seal, which then
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we can use as the seal for the Commonwealth. I'm
going to based upon a recommendation from a good friend, UH.
In order to be fair, we want behind the head
of the seal a shark fin because the sharks support well,
they love the seals. They have them over for dinner
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all the time. We'll explain everything. I promise we're coming
right back on Nightside. This is one where I want
to have a little fun, but it's also kind of serious.
We have a seal. I think it works. I know
a lot of people don't. Political correctness tried to wipe
it out. We're not politically correct here. You know that.
Let's have some fun. Coming back right after the break.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
It's night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
So again we're talking about what is known as the
Massachusetts Seal, Flag and Motto Advisory Commission. So you go
back to twenty twenty and the horrific, tragic murder of
George Floyd set off a firestorm in this country, and
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there was a lot of activity, including the effort to
change the Massachusetts flag and our seal, which we've had
for a long time now. They had a commission which
is spanned and appointed in twenty twenty one and disbanded
in twenty twenty three, and they had another commission appointed
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in twenty twenty three which was supposed to complete their work,
but they haven't and I don't know what they're going
to do, but obviously that is not working. The commission
created last year with a one hundred thousand dollars budget.
According to a Globe story, was given a July of
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twenty twenty five deadline. That's five months ago. They received
a five month extension from the legislature to complete its work.
In August, it released for the first time a slate
of options for a new flag, seal and motto that
the public could consider. Yet, the full ten person panel
has not gathered in a meeting sense, nor has the
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Commission held a series of legally mandated hearings to gather
public input ahead of a December fifteenth deadline to produce
its recommendations. The Commission now basically has told the Globe
that they're going to ask for another extension. Alana Davidson
is the commission spokesperson. We believe that more time is
needed to ensure a robust community engagement. All right, We're
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going to have some robust community engagement right here on
night side. So I'm looking at what they have. They
have one here, a landscape of a North Atlantic right
whale with a white chickadee flying. The white symbolizes peace.
I didn't know we would war with anybody here in Massachusetts.
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Maybe peace with New Hampshire. There are similarities with the
current flag in the colors and by including a white
star dull dull, dell dull. Then they have one here
with a chickadee surrounded by turkey feathers. There's nothing that
says Massachusetts more to me than a chickadee surrounded by
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turkey feathers. There we have another one that makes no
sense to me at all. A star from the common
flag has been transformed to a sun shining on a
stylized Massachusetts landscape with water, hill and mountain shapes. Really,
let me tell you that one nothing. And then we
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have the blue Hill banner, which makes no sense to
me at all. At chess goes on and on, and
then of course they have modo submissions. Well there's one
here in Latin moltav vo chase hunts public op many voices,
one commonwealth that's creative. Huh, dorot anything like that before
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look at your dollar bill.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
We honor all life guided by the first light thrilling.
This is a call for unity Latin bono publico latimire.
We rejoice in the public good. Yeah, it just it
makes I want to go out and dance in the
street when I hear that we rejoice in the public good.
If if it's anything that I want to rejoice in,
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it certainly is the public good. Bottom line is, Look,
I have a simple solution, okay for this commission. And
if you call in, we'll designate you a member of
the night Side, the night Side, Flag, Seal and Motto
Commission for Massachusetts. Okay, so you can you can assume
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we will designate you an official member of the night
Side Commission for a seal, a motto, and a flag
for Massachusetts. And you can give me a motto, you
give me a seal, and I think that I still
say we should take you know, I've said it before,
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I'll say it again. There's nothing cuter than if you're
out in a harbor in the cape sometime and one
of those little seals pops up and all you sees
like the head and the whiskers in the eyes. Is
there anything more cuter than that? Maybe your grandchild, I
get it, no problem, but it's pretty cute. So I
would say we take the seal's head and we put
that as the seal on the flag. Now I have
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a friend of mine who was suggested we need to
add a shark fin behind the seal, because sharks love
to have seals over for dinner. It shows the community
of Massachusetts. It shows us being together at meal time.
Unfortunately unfortunately for the seals. But you know what I'm saying.
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So I need a motto. And then we just take
that seal with the sharks fin behind the seal's head
and we use that on the flag. So we get,
we get. It simplifies things a lot. Now, if you
want to vote to keep the flag with the wamp
of Noah Native American Indigenous person, I'm okay with that,
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but I need you, as a Commission member to one
become a Commission member by call in six one seven, two,
five four ten thirty or six one seven nine ten thirty.
You'll be able to tell your friends you remember the
night Side Commission on the Massachusetts Flag, seal and motto.
And if you want to give me a motto, you've
got to give it to me in English. Okay. It's
as simple as that, because well, if you want to
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give it a me, you can. You can say it
in another language and then tell me what it means. Well,
we will. This is our first Commission meeting the commission
meeting resumed. Rezuoms right after the news at the bottom
of the hour. I'm serious, Massachusetts for five years now
has been floundering. Maybe we should have a flounder. Oh no,
I was sticking with the seal, floundering without a new flag,
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without a new seal, and without a new motto. Uh.
And I'm sure that in my audience tonight, we have
people who can solve this dilemma that the official, the
official Massachusetts Seal Flag and Motto Advisory can has not
been able to solve in over four years. So let's
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get to it, Nightsiders, put those thinking caps hats on.
And by the way, you do not have to live
in Massachusetts to become a member of the night Side
Massachusetts Seal Flag and Motto Advisory Commission. As long as
you are a listener to Nightside, you are automatically automatically.
If you call in, you are automatically And I'll tell
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you what I'm gonna do here. I'm gonna make this
even better if you come up with a really good idea,
I mean really good that's even better than mine, which
is going to be tough to beat because of the judge.
You will get a night side tote bag. And by
the way, everybody who got those night side tote bags
last week, two or three of the folks have said,
what great tote bags they are. They are available at
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night Side Gear. They are a marvelous bag for going shopping.
You know, it'll save you all those bag fees. It's
a great bag, and it's great canvas bag, and it
says proudly Nightside with Dan Ray, the Voice of Reason.
Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three ten thirty. Let's light them up. We're gonna
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have the commission. We'll come to water right after the
news at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Okay, Now the phone's a little quiet, which disappoints me
as always. So as I said, if you can make
a great recommendation, maybe you'll get a night side tope bag. Okay,
But more importantly, I want to hear what your thought is.
We are spending a lot of money here in Massachusetts
and our first call is going to come from Wisconsin.
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So all of you in Massachusetts wake up. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. I want your ideas. Okay, do we need
a new flag? That's the that's the that's the threshold question.
And if we do, what should it incorporate. I'm sure
there are people out there who have thoughts in their minds.
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Please share. Let me go to Karen. Karen, thank you
for calling in. You are the first member of the
night Side Massachusetts Commission on the Massachusetts Seal, Flag and
Moto Advisory Commission. This is quite a high honor that
that you, that you have secured for yourself, and.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I thank you, I thank you. I am bowling bowing here.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
No, I'm following the contrary. You're the first commission member.
I'm the chair of the commission, but you're the first
commission member. So what would you like to see as
the seal of Massachusetts. I know you were in sponson,
but you grew up in Massachusetts. You Massachusetts, so you
more than qualify for the commission.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Thank you. I love the idea of a seal. It
makes me think of that. They're so cute and it
just but I don't want shark fin behind it.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Okay, So okay, you would make a motion to eliminate
the shark fin which, okay, we can consider that absolutely, yes.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
And then just have a face of a seal and
a motto will think of or else, you know newssent
for the flag and the seal.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, well we can put the seal on the flag.
The seal right now is on the flag. The seal
right now is the the Native American, the indigenous person. Uh.
And some people are upset that there's a sword sort
of like a sort of Damocles hanging over his head. Uh,
and you know they're there. I understand that point, but
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but it was it was I think that was drawn
over one hundred years ago, and it's you know.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
You know, I can't understand, but had you know.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
It says the motto was by the sword, we seek peace,
but peace only under liberty. That that is our motto
right now. And the sword that was that's depicted is
similar to one that was once owned or belonged to
Miles Standarsh, a seventeenth century military commander for Plymouth Colony
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known for his brutality towards the indigenous population. So I
can understand that. I understand that, But do you have
a model you'd like to propose?
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Well, as member of the board, i'd like abow next
week so I have time to give it some thought.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Okay, we could come back to this next week. Sure,
absolutely we can. We can we we could do that.
We could do that.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
And what is the question you're for putting out now?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Well, the question is you you like the idea of
the seal, but we want to get rid of the
shock fin Okay, So well we have a seal with
a shock fin or a seal without the shock fin. Uh,
and that would serve both as the flag, meaning it
would be the seal would be on the flag. That
takes care of two of the We've we've dealt with
two of the problems already. So that's in the running,
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and we'll get some votes and and we'll we'll we'll
come up maybe well we'll look at this a week
from now and we maybe we'll have a vote if
we get we.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Need a motel? Are you saying we need someone will
come up with a model?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
You know? I mean there's you know, on our money
it says in God we trust, and then there's different
mottols you know, I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Already in the right.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, if you want to throw a model model in here,
you can, and if not, next week call back. We'll
we'll have another meeting of the Commission, and as a
member of the Commission, I'm gonna want you to call back. Okay,
we'll have a folks, we will get we will get
this accomplished. Okay, fair enough, we will get this done.
All right. Thanks care o, thanks caring. Appreciate you call
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so much. Talk soon. Okay, have a great bay given
bye bye six one seven ten thirty six one seven
nine three one ten thirty. Look be it will be
a uh, a seal and a flag at a motto.
I'm looking for the best and brightest of my night
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side listeners to come up with either one or any
of all three. Gonna take a break. I got some
open lines, which is always discouraging. I want to have
some fun with this, but I also want to want
you to realize that that whatever we can put forward,
maybe the Mission will vote on it, or maybe we'll
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have an overwhelming Look. I'm still liking the seal's head okay,
and Karen liked it, but she didn't want the shark
fin So we have two possibilities at this point. We
need to broaden our appeal and then we need to
get some people to react to it. So if you
have a thought, let's have at it six one seven
two thirty six one seven, nine thirty Coming right back
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on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Back to the phones. Go, Let's go to al up
on the north shore in swamps kain Al. Welcome to Nightside.
How are you?
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Good?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Dan? Thanks? I personally Dan, I'm I'm fine with the
existing flag, okay, But as a fishing then I'm against
the seal because the seals really do a lot of
damage as far as eating a lot of fish. And
I've actually seen fish taken by seals that were on
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someone's line before.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, they are, they could be. They're so down cute
though all maybe not when you're own fishing, though, I
get it, I get it.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Yeah, true. Well along those same lines though, I think
the cord, which is the fish of.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
The state, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
The sacred that could be on the flag. And I
think maybe the motto could be something like Massachusetts the
Bay state in cord. We trust.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
That's a good one. Now, that's clever, that's clever. Did
you come up with that in your own right?
Speaker 5 (28:38):
In cod I've seen I've seen bumper stick that's okay.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, you're the first person, and that's a good motto
in cord cod uh uh you look is it isn't
cord like haddock? Isn't that what cod is.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Is a white laky fish? And yeah, it's very very good.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yes, no, but I'm saying it's what it says when
I go to the store. I'm not a big fan
of trout or stuff like that. I like haddock. Is
cord similar? Card is similar to the haddock I've had cord
is it fish? And chips? Card pretty much cotta chips.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
It is dan Yet they're both ground fish and they
both look very similar one. The haddock is a lot
smaller and silver more, and the cord gets to be
a lot bigger and it's brownish in color.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
What is a ground fish? I've heard that term used before,
and I honestly don't know what that means.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Basically, it means that they live along the floor in
the bottom for the most part, so brown, the haddock, pollock,
cause those type of fish. It's a group of fish. Yeah,
I don't know exactly all the fish that belonging to
a flounder.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I definitely want to now are you are you a
sports fisherman or are you a commercial fisherman?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
A little bit of both. I come from a commercial
fishing family and my brother fishes out of Gloucester. My
father was a fisherman and I'm an engineer, but I
haven't my blood and it's really one of my big
loves and life is fishing.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
How far? How far do you go offshore when you're
doing commercial fishing.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
The furthest I have a smaller boat about about fourteen miles.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Well, that's pretty good. You know, the horizon is sixteen
I think at ground level, So your your respect on
the horizon at that point. And when you're out there,
what are you looking to catch? Well?
Speaker 5 (30:41):
I used to catch a lot of cod, but the
regulations is such that a lot of the places I
close now, so I don't do as much of that.
But I do a lot of striper fishing, and they
have a commercial season during the summer and I take
part in that.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Striper or bass. Right, I'm not a fisherman. You probably
can tell already.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Yeah they are. Then yep they get pretty big. Well, yeah, yep,
they can get up to almost one hundred pounds. That's
the record. Might be that big, not many of that big,
but there's a lot can get up to like forty
fifty pounds.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
And let me atte when you have been out fourteen miles,
what is the weirdest site you've seen in terms of
you know, fish or whatever, but you ever have a
whale come up to you or anything like that or no.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
A couple of things. One time, a couple of years
ago in Boston Harbor, there were a lot of pogis,
which are also called men hating. There were a bait
fish and I had one one fish on the line,
and I had another line out with bait on it,
and I was reeling it in in a whale came
up and breached like about one hundred feet from me,
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and the other line started peeling off. And what happened
was the whale, you know, got tangled in the lot
nut tangled, but I mean a little fishing, And I
just watched the line just go all the way off
the off the reel and it pooled ill for all
the line. So that was one one.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, I would have I would have had a strong
drink when I get back.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I was glad he didn't come any closer,
for sure. Dan that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Okay, Well, we got in cad we trust here that
that's a great motto. I'm I'm I'm going to nominate that. Uh,
and we'll we'll do we'll do something on this if
if nothing else to embarrass this commission that can't make
a decision. Yep.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
That sounds like a like a good idea and I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Well, thanks so much for calling him. We'll talk soon. Okay,
appreciate it. Let me go to Frank in Boston. Hey, Frank,
welcome back. How are you, sir?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I'm fine, How are you? Dan?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Excellent? So, what what would you like to add to
our commission meeting tonight as a as as as a
commissioner from Boston?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Well, uh, put it this way. Uh, the origin of
the name of the state is the is Massasay? It
isn't it?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I believe?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
So?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
And why why not keep the indigenous person on the flag,
do away with the sword and honor the Massasay?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah? I think that is is reasonable.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Makes sense to me.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah. What about Yeah, what about my idea of you're
not buying the seal as the seal of No.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
No, the seal is completely different from the flag.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Well you could, well, you could use the two ways.
You could use the seal as a seal meaning and
you just you could right now, the the seal of
the Commonwealth is what's in the middle of the flag.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Well then then keep that being, I mean, get rid
of the sword.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Just get rid of the sword. Okay. What do you
what do you think about the motto in God we trust?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Well, I don't know. I think that's a little Connie.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I thought you're going to say it was a little fishy. Okay,
no problem. Well I think it was a good effort,
that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
As far as the model, you know, I haven't given
that much thought. But the flag always bothered me because
of the sword.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Really really Okay? Did it bother you before the I mean,
all of this controversy sort of erupted in the wake
of the George Floyd murder, and I had it always
when you say, always bothered you.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Even I didn't see the purpose of it, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, what they what they said was that the that
the purse. The purpose of it was that when again
in the Global article here it says the design draws
on the original seal of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, which
featured a Native American man naked but for some shrubbery
around is growing, saying come over and help us. And
(35:15):
the sword depicted once belonged to Miles Standards, a seventeenth
century military commander. I understand that the image was draped
by a Latin model that said by the sword, we
seek peace, but peace only under liberty. And I think
the concept of liberty was pretty big at the time
of the Revolution, when we were trying to get out
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from under the boot of the British Empire. So you know,
I guess you've got to take it in context in
terms of time.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
So yeah, but you know it's time, it's time for change. Okay, Well, Frank,
just get rid of the sword.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Well that's okay, we got it. We'll have that up
for a vote next week maybe. And you're an official
member of the night Side Commission. I want you to
know that, and with that comes all sorts of rights
and privileges which we we still haven't figured out. Okay,
it's but but you are a commissioner with portfolio. I
want you to know if anybody asks you. Okay, all right,
you two, Frank, doctor you soon have a great night.
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We're gonna take a break. Florence and Laura, you stay
right there. And we got one open line at six
one seven, two five four ten thirty and two at
six one seven nine three one ten thirty. Let's keep
it rolling. We're talking about the failure of the Massachusetts
Seal Flag and Moto Advisory Commission, and we will fill.
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We will fill this UH responsibility for them. We will
fill the breach, is what I was trying to say
back on night Side, right after this
He's night side with Dan Ray WBS Boston's Me video.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thanks very much, Dan Watkins. By the way, at this
time tomorrow night, we will be talking with Rick Edelman.
I think most of you know that Rick Edelman is
a financial expert and he's written a new book called
The Truth about College and it's a very interesting book.
Had a chance to look at it quite a bit,
(00:26):
having read it cover to cover, but we will talk
to him tomorrow night. A lot of surprising statistics that
he has in this book. Seventy college freshmen lists their
major as undecided. He doesn't see that as a problem.
And then he has some devoted to the top mistakes
(00:48):
that parents make when guiding their children's educational choices. So
feel free, particularly if you have children of college age.
Tomorrow night at ten o'clock, Rick Edelman to take your calls,
take your questions if you are college admission panel generally
in November with Grant Gostlin of Boston College and Bill
fitz Simmons of Harvard. We've done that now for nineteen
(01:10):
years with John Mahoney before Grant Gostin from Boston College.
And it's so important, it's such a big decision as
to what college your kids go to. So do take
advantage of Rick Edelman tomorrow night. He'll spend that hour
with us and take phone calls in the ten o'clock hour.
And the book is good. But if you have a question,
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as I say, the often said, the only questions, the
only dumb questions, of the questions you don't have the
courage to ask. Earlier tonight, I wanted to thank I
forgotten in the first hour, to thank a bunch of
folks who were kind of enough to call in and
tell us that our streaming service with iHeart has been restored.
Last night, I guess the streaming was down. So if
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you are listening anywhere and want to just give Rob
a quick call and let us know that the streaming
is still up. I want to thank Mike and Gregory.
There were others from Connecticut. A woman from Connecticut did
who did not leave her name, So just quickly here,
We're not going to put you on the air. Just
want to know that, yeah, you can hear us out there.
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Give us a call at six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. Not only do we have problems with the
show outgoing last night, which I think were a problem
and I don't know if it was a problem with
the Internet or with iHeart, it doesn't matter. It's been resolved.
And we did have problems with our own telephones last
night as well. I'm told that there were and I
(02:36):
saw a lot of people who called in were put
on hold and then they dropped. Sometimes that does happen,
particularly if you're calling from a car and you're moving
and you are in a good zone when you reach us,
and then a bad zone you drop off. That sometimes happens.
So if you're out there tonight and you are listening
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on the Internet wherever, whether it's in New England outside
of New England, just like a little reassurance that our
stream streaming service on the Internet is getting through. And
we'd ask you just to invest about fifteen seconds to
call in and reassure Rob and me that, yeah, we're
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being hurt across the country. I see one of our
callers from Wisconsin calling in now, so we know at
least we're reaching Wisconsin tonight. And if you're out there
somewhere else, please give us a call. I did want
to tell you that that congressional race down in Tennessee
has been resolved. The Republican candidate. That was a district
(03:43):
that President Trump carried by twenty two points last November.
And now it's of course thirteen months later and the
president is not on the ballot, but those results have
come in. That was a pretty solidly solidly Republican district.
(04:06):
And see if I get you the numbers here we
get live results real quickly. This is the seventh congressional
district in Tennessee and Congress it's so it's so close
right now between the Republicans and the Democrats, and a
couple of members you know, switch from you know, one
(04:27):
seat switches from one party to the other. It makes
a huge difference. At this point, Matt Van Epps has
defeated the Democrat often Ben b. E h N, by
about nine percent, fifty four to forty five. There were
three other people in the race who had a sprinkling
(04:48):
of votes in independent candidates. Why people go through that,
I don't know. I guess they want to say that
they were in for Congress. But pretty big turnout looked
like it was close to one hundred and eighty thousand
people in a presidential election be more than that. But
with ninety nine percent of the votes counted, the Republican
Van Epps has held that seat as a Republican seat.
(05:13):
The incumbent Congress Congressman Green, I guess, is taking a
position within the Trump administration, so the Republicans hold they
hold service in that seat. There's another special election tonight
in Houston where a Democrat will be elected because they
have a runoff down there and both Democrats both the
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top vote getters or Democrats, so it'll be one Democrat
or the other. And boy, I'll tell you a lot
of you being kind enough to call in and just
tell Rob, Yeah, the internet is working and it's very helpful.
I really do appreciate that I see an old high
school baseball teammate of mine is talking to Rob right now.
(05:56):
Some of these numbers I can recognize and get to
know all of you. She thanks, thanks for calling in.
Bob was an outfielder anyway. I also want to mention
very quickly that we will be doing the Night Side
Charity combine this year. We've done it now. This will
be our thirteenth year. And for those of you who
(06:19):
are unfamiliar with it, if you run a charity and
it doesn't have to be a big charity. But if
you run a legitimate charity, or if you are a
volunteer for charity, you can either call in and represent
that charity. Do it with obviously the approval of the
head of the charity, but feel free. We love to
(06:43):
introduce our audience to new charities as well as to
some of the charities who are traditionally we profile. The
Shadow Fund will be back this year, the Mark Fidrich Foundation,
the great Detroit Tiger pitcher whose career ended too soon
after winning nineteen games in his rookie season with the
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Tigers in seventy six, and a Northborough, Massachusetts native who
also passed away in a tragic accident too soon. We
will have Mark Fidrich's wife and with us again, and
of course friends from Adopt a Platoon Sauti style. Kelly
will be back with us, and there will be some
(07:28):
new charities that we profile. So what do you have
to do? You have to send me in the next
couple of days, because we only have a few spots
left to be honest with you, and once the spots
are filled, we might put you on a wait list
of two or three, but very few people drop out
of the last all you have to do. You will
(07:50):
be on air interviewed by me live on Tuesday night,
December twenty third. We will tell you in advance when
you will be on air, Yeah, within you know approximately,
we'll tell you within which half hour, and we just
ask you to be by the phone. Rob will call
you just like you're a guest on the show. Talk
about your charity. Talk about what the mission of your
(08:12):
charity is, what the purpose is, what group of people
do you help, whether it's children or people who are
homeless or elderly or whatever, and what you need to
make your charity better. Most charities are always looking for donations,
and you can give your website and you never know,
you get some more of donations, you get some more volunteers.
(08:32):
Some charities really want volunteers. So this is an opportunity
where we basically give you a good three and a
half to four minutes, not long. There will be no
tough questions, that's for sure, whatsoever. And what you have
to do is send me an email. And if you
don't have my email, I will tell you right now.
(08:55):
It's Dan ray d a n are Ea at I
heart meeting dot com. Simple as that, easy to get to.
You can find me on the internet. I will be
back in touch you here. I's back in touch today
with a great new charity called Second Serve out of
Rhode Island. Where do you hear about this charity? You
(09:17):
get some fabulous clothes at incredibly inexpensive prices, and eighty
five percent of the money that there's no money that
the charity makes. Eighty five percent of the money then
gets donated to other charities. So there's so many great
charities that are doing such great work here in New
(09:40):
England and around the country. We've had a couple of
charities outside of New England. I'm not opposed to that.
So again, you've got to send me an email, and
you've got to tell me the name and hopefully it's
your name, a daytime phone number so I can reach
you and we can set it up. Please do not say, oh,
there's a wonderful charity in our town, whatever it is,
(10:01):
and I don't know who the person is, or I
know who the person is, why don't you call them? Now?
We don't do out calls in this It's as simple
as that. I don't want to be in a situation
where I'm calling someone saying do you want to be
on my show? That's not what this is about. This
is about charities wanting to get some radio, some airtime,
and be able to reach beyond the borders of their community,
(10:24):
or of their town or wherever. So I hope have
made myself clear, Rob, I'm going to take a break,
but before I do, I want to tell folks what
I want to do for the balance of the evening.
And I'm just gonna weet your appetite a little bit
by telling you that we have here in Massachusetts a
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commission that has never really accomplished much. They were designated
by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts twice. Now the Massachusetts Seal,
Flag and Motto Advisory Commission is in its second term.
(11:05):
The first time they couldn't agree on anything and they disbanded,
so they created a second The first one was created
in twenty twenty one, and after spending a lot of
taxpayers money, that commission disbanded and they created a second
one in twenty twenty three. As only we do. We're
here in Massachusetts and that commission now is going to
(11:28):
probably disband, but they're going to ask for a an extension.
It looks like the Commission was supposed to finish its
work by last July. They asked for an extension to
December fifth, and they still have not accomplished their designated task.
This is almost humorous, but I am going to ask
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for volunteers of night Side listeners and we need to
have the night Side Commission established on the Massachusetts Flag
and Model Advisory Committee. UH. And I will explain to
you some of the proposals that have been submitted and
I guess are so called front runners. Front runners and
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the chmmissry that can't make a decision. We'll talk about
that if you want to jump on board and get
a head start six seven, two, five, four ten thirty
six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. We've talked
about it before. I want just the head of a
seal on our white flag, which is I think a
symbolic of surrender, a head of a seal, which then
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we can use as the seal for the Commonwealth. I'm
going to based upon a recommendation from a good friend, UH.
In order to be fair, we want behind the head
of the seal a shark fin because the sharks support well,
they love the seals. They have them over for dinner
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all the time. We'll explain everything. I promise we're coming
right back on Nightside. This is one where I want
to have a little fun, but it's also kind of serious.
We have a seal. I think it works. I know
a lot of people don't. Political correctness tried to wipe
it out. We're not politically correct here. You know that.
Let's have some fun. Coming back right after the break.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
It's night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
So again we're talking about what is known as the
Massachusetts Seal, Flag and Motto Advisory Commission. So you go
back to twenty twenty and the horrific, tragic murder of
George Floyd set off a firestorm in this country, and
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there was a lot of activity, including the effort to
change the Massachusetts flag and our seal, which we've had
for a long time now. They had a commission which
is spanned and appointed in twenty twenty one and disbanded
in twenty twenty three, and they had another commission appointed
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in twenty twenty three which was supposed to complete their work,
but they haven't and I don't know what they're going
to do, but obviously that is not working. The commission
created last year with a one hundred thousand dollars budget.
According to a Globe story, was given a July of
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twenty twenty five deadline. That's five months ago. They received
a five month extension from the legislature to complete its work.
In August, it released for the first time a slate
of options for a new flag, seal and motto that
the public could consider. Yet, the full ten person panel
has not gathered in a meeting sense, nor has the
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Commission held a series of legally mandated hearings to gather
public input ahead of a December fifteenth deadline to produce
its recommendations. The Commission now basically has told the Globe
that they're going to ask for another extension. Alana Davidson
is the commission spokesperson. We believe that more time is
needed to ensure a robust community engagement. All right, We're
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going to have some robust community engagement right here on
night side. So I'm looking at what they have. They
have one here, a landscape of a North Atlantic right
whale with a white chickadee flying. The white symbolizes peace.
I didn't know we would war with anybody here in Massachusetts.
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Maybe peace with New Hampshire. There are similarities with the
current flag in the colors and by including a white
star dull dull, dell dull. Then they have one here
with a chickadee surrounded by turkey feathers. There's nothing that
says Massachusetts more to me than a chickadee surrounded by
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turkey feathers. There we have another one that makes no
sense to me at all. A star from the common
flag has been transformed to a sun shining on a
stylized Massachusetts landscape with water, hill and mountain shapes. Really,
let me tell you that one nothing. And then we
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have the blue Hill banner, which makes no sense to
me at all. At chess goes on and on, and
then of course they have modo submissions. Well there's one
here in Latin moltav vo chase hunts public op many voices,
one commonwealth that's creative. Huh, dorot anything like that before
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look at your dollar bill.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
We honor all life guided by the first light thrilling.
This is a call for unity Latin bono publico latimire.
We rejoice in the public good. Yeah, it just it
makes I want to go out and dance in the
street when I hear that we rejoice in the public good.
If if it's anything that I want to rejoice in,
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it certainly is the public good. Bottom line is, Look,
I have a simple solution, okay for this commission. And
if you call in, we'll designate you a member of
the night Side, the night Side, Flag, Seal and Motto
Commission for Massachusetts. Okay, so you can you can assume
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we will designate you an official member of the night
Side Commission for a seal, a motto, and a flag
for Massachusetts. And you can give me a motto, you
give me a seal, and I think that I still
say we should take you know, I've said it before,
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I'll say it again. There's nothing cuter than if you're
out in a harbor in the cape sometime and one
of those little seals pops up and all you sees
like the head and the whiskers in the eyes. Is
there anything more cuter than that? Maybe your grandchild, I
get it, no problem, but it's pretty cute. So I
would say we take the seal's head and we put
that as the seal on the flag. Now I have
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a friend of mine who was suggested we need to
add a shark fin behind the seal, because sharks love
to have seals over for dinner. It shows the community
of Massachusetts. It shows us being together at meal time.
Unfortunately unfortunately for the seals. But you know what I'm saying.
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So I need a motto. And then we just take
that seal with the sharks fin behind the seal's head
and we use that on the flag. So we get,
we get. It simplifies things a lot. Now, if you
want to vote to keep the flag with the wamp
of Noah Native American Indigenous person, I'm okay with that,
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but I need you, as a Commission member to one
become a Commission member by call in six one seven, two,
five four ten thirty or six one seven nine ten thirty.
You'll be able to tell your friends you remember the
night Side Commission on the Massachusetts Flag, seal and motto.
And if you want to give me a motto, you've
got to give it to me in English. Okay. It's
as simple as that, because well, if you want to
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give it a me, you can. You can say it
in another language and then tell me what it means. Well,
we will. This is our first Commission meeting the commission
meeting resumed. Rezuoms right after the news at the bottom
of the hour. I'm serious, Massachusetts for five years now
has been floundering. Maybe we should have a flounder. Oh no,
I was sticking with the seal, floundering without a new flag,
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without a new seal, and without a new motto. Uh.
And I'm sure that in my audience tonight, we have
people who can solve this dilemma that the official, the
official Massachusetts Seal Flag and Motto Advisory can has not
been able to solve in over four years. So let's
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get to it, Nightsiders, put those thinking caps hats on.
And by the way, you do not have to live
in Massachusetts to become a member of the night Side
Massachusetts Seal Flag and Motto Advisory Commission. As long as
you are a listener to Nightside, you are automatically automatically.
If you call in, you are automatically And I'll tell
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you what I'm gonna do here. I'm gonna make this
even better if you come up with a really good idea,
I mean really good that's even better than mine, which
is going to be tough to beat because of the judge.
You will get a night side tote bag. And by
the way, everybody who got those night side tote bags
last week, two or three of the folks have said,
what great tote bags they are. They are available at
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night Side Gear. They are a marvelous bag for going shopping.
You know, it'll save you all those bag fees. It's
a great bag, and it's great canvas bag, and it
says proudly Nightside with Dan Ray, the Voice of Reason.
Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three ten thirty. Let's light them up. We're gonna
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have the commission. We'll come to water right after the
news at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Okay, Now the phone's a little quiet, which disappoints me
as always. So as I said, if you can make
a great recommendation, maybe you'll get a night side tope bag. Okay,
But more importantly, I want to hear what your thought is.
We are spending a lot of money here in Massachusetts
and our first call is going to come from Wisconsin.
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So all of you in Massachusetts wake up. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. I want your ideas. Okay, do we need
a new flag? That's the that's the that's the threshold question.
And if we do, what should it incorporate. I'm sure
there are people out there who have thoughts in their minds.
(22:10):
Please share. Let me go to Karen. Karen, thank you
for calling in. You are the first member of the
night Side Massachusetts Commission on the Massachusetts Seal, Flag and
Moto Advisory Commission. This is quite a high honor that
that you, that you have secured for yourself, and.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I thank you, I thank you. I am bowling bowing here.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
No, I'm following the contrary. You're the first commission member.
I'm the chair of the commission, but you're the first
commission member. So what would you like to see as
the seal of Massachusetts. I know you were in sponson,
but you grew up in Massachusetts. You Massachusetts, so you
more than qualify for the commission.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Thank you. I love the idea of a seal. It
makes me think of that. They're so cute and it
just but I don't want shark fin behind it.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Okay, So okay, you would make a motion to eliminate
the shark fin which, okay, we can consider that absolutely, yes.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
And then just have a face of a seal and
a motto will think of or else, you know newssent
for the flag and the seal.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, well we can put the seal on the flag.
The seal right now is on the flag. The seal
right now is the the Native American, the indigenous person. Uh.
And some people are upset that there's a sword sort
of like a sort of Damocles hanging over his head. Uh,
and you know they're there. I understand that point, but
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but it was it was I think that was drawn
over one hundred years ago, and it's you know.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
You know, I can't understand, but had you know.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
It says the motto was by the sword, we seek peace,
but peace only under liberty. That that is our motto
right now. And the sword that was that's depicted is
similar to one that was once owned or belonged to
Miles Standarsh, a seventeenth century military commander for Plymouth Colony
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known for his brutality towards the indigenous population. So I
can understand that. I understand that, But do you have
a model you'd like to propose?
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Well, as member of the board, i'd like abow next
week so I have time to give it some thought.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Okay, we could come back to this next week. Sure,
absolutely we can. We can we we could do that.
We could do that.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
And what is the question you're for putting out now?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Well, the question is you you like the idea of
the seal, but we want to get rid of the
shock fin Okay, So well we have a seal with
a shock fin or a seal without the shock fin. Uh,
and that would serve both as the flag, meaning it
would be the seal would be on the flag. That
takes care of two of the We've we've dealt with
two of the problems already. So that's in the running,
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and we'll get some votes and and we'll we'll we'll
come up maybe well we'll look at this a week
from now and we maybe we'll have a vote if
we get we.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Need a motel? Are you saying we need someone will
come up with a model?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
You know? I mean there's you know, on our money
it says in God we trust, and then there's different
mottols you know, I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Already in the right.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, if you want to throw a model model in here,
you can, and if not, next week call back. We'll
we'll have another meeting of the Commission, and as a
member of the Commission, I'm gonna want you to call back. Okay,
we'll have a folks, we will get we will get
this accomplished. Okay, fair enough, we will get this done.
All right. Thanks care o, thanks caring. Appreciate you call
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so much. Talk soon. Okay, have a great bay given
bye bye six one seven ten thirty six one seven
nine three one ten thirty. Look be it will be
a uh, a seal and a flag at a motto.
I'm looking for the best and brightest of my night
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side listeners to come up with either one or any
of all three. Gonna take a break. I got some
open lines, which is always discouraging. I want to have
some fun with this, but I also want to want
you to realize that that whatever we can put forward,
maybe the Mission will vote on it, or maybe we'll
(27:02):
have an overwhelming Look. I'm still liking the seal's head okay,
and Karen liked it, but she didn't want the shark
fin So we have two possibilities at this point. We
need to broaden our appeal and then we need to
get some people to react to it. So if you
have a thought, let's have at it six one seven
two thirty six one seven, nine thirty Coming right back
(27:23):
on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Back to the phones. Go, Let's go to al up
on the north shore in swamps kain Al. Welcome to Nightside.
How are you?
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Good?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Dan? Thanks? I personally Dan, I'm I'm fine with the
existing flag, okay, But as a fishing then I'm against
the seal because the seals really do a lot of
damage as far as eating a lot of fish. And
I've actually seen fish taken by seals that were on
(27:58):
someone's line before.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, they are, they could be. They're so down cute
though all maybe not when you're own fishing, though, I
get it, I get it.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Yeah, true. Well along those same lines though, I think
the cord, which is the fish of.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
The state, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
The sacred that could be on the flag. And I
think maybe the motto could be something like Massachusetts the
Bay state in cord. We trust.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
That's a good one. Now, that's clever, that's clever. Did
you come up with that in your own right?
Speaker 5 (28:38):
In cod I've seen I've seen bumper stick that's okay.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, you're the first person, and that's a good motto
in cord cod uh uh you look is it isn't
cord like haddock? Isn't that what cod is.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Is a white laky fish? And yeah, it's very very good.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yes, no, but I'm saying it's what it says when
I go to the store. I'm not a big fan
of trout or stuff like that. I like haddock. Is
cord similar? Card is similar to the haddock I've had cord
is it fish? And chips? Card pretty much cotta chips.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
It is dan Yet they're both ground fish and they
both look very similar one. The haddock is a lot
smaller and silver more, and the cord gets to be
a lot bigger and it's brownish in color.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
What is a ground fish? I've heard that term used before,
and I honestly don't know what that means.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Basically, it means that they live along the floor in
the bottom for the most part, so brown, the haddock, pollock,
cause those type of fish. It's a group of fish. Yeah,
I don't know exactly all the fish that belonging to
a flounder.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I definitely want to now are you are you a
sports fisherman or are you a commercial fisherman?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
A little bit of both. I come from a commercial
fishing family and my brother fishes out of Gloucester. My
father was a fisherman and I'm an engineer, but I
haven't my blood and it's really one of my big
loves and life is fishing.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
How far? How far do you go offshore when you're
doing commercial fishing.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
The furthest I have a smaller boat about about fourteen miles.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Well, that's pretty good. You know, the horizon is sixteen
I think at ground level, So your your respect on
the horizon at that point. And when you're out there,
what are you looking to catch? Well?
Speaker 5 (30:41):
I used to catch a lot of cod, but the
regulations is such that a lot of the places I
close now, so I don't do as much of that.
But I do a lot of striper fishing, and they
have a commercial season during the summer and I take
part in that.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Striper or bass. Right, I'm not a fisherman. You probably
can tell already.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Yeah they are. Then yep they get pretty big. Well, yeah, yep,
they can get up to almost one hundred pounds. That's
the record. Might be that big, not many of that big,
but there's a lot can get up to like forty
fifty pounds.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
And let me atte when you have been out fourteen miles,
what is the weirdest site you've seen in terms of
you know, fish or whatever, but you ever have a
whale come up to you or anything like that or no.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
A couple of things. One time, a couple of years
ago in Boston Harbor, there were a lot of pogis,
which are also called men hating. There were a bait
fish and I had one one fish on the line,
and I had another line out with bait on it,
and I was reeling it in in a whale came
up and breached like about one hundred feet from me,
(31:54):
and the other line started peeling off. And what happened
was the whale, you know, got tangled in the lot
nut tangled, but I mean a little fishing, And I
just watched the line just go all the way off
the off the reel and it pooled ill for all
the line. So that was one one.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, I would have I would have had a strong
drink when I get back.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I was glad he didn't come any closer,
for sure. Dan that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Okay, Well, we got in cad we trust here that
that's a great motto. I'm I'm I'm going to nominate that. Uh,
and we'll we'll do we'll do something on this if
if nothing else to embarrass this commission that can't make
a decision. Yep.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
That sounds like a like a good idea and I
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Well, thanks so much for calling him. We'll talk soon. Okay,
appreciate it. Let me go to Frank in Boston. Hey, Frank,
welcome back. How are you, sir?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I'm fine, How are you? Dan?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Excellent? So, what what would you like to add to
our commission meeting tonight as a as as as a
commissioner from Boston?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Well, uh, put it this way. Uh, the origin of
the name of the state is the is Massasay? It
isn't it?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I believe?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
So?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
And why why not keep the indigenous person on the flag,
do away with the sword and honor the Massasay?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah? I think that is is reasonable.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Makes sense to me.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah. What about Yeah, what about my idea of you're
not buying the seal as the seal of No.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
No, the seal is completely different from the flag.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Well you could, well, you could use the two ways.
You could use the seal as a seal meaning and
you just you could right now, the the seal of
the Commonwealth is what's in the middle of the flag.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Well then then keep that being, I mean, get rid
of the sword.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Just get rid of the sword. Okay. What do you
what do you think about the motto in God we trust?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Well, I don't know. I think that's a little Connie.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I thought you're going to say it was a little fishy. Okay,
no problem. Well I think it was a good effort,
that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
As far as the model, you know, I haven't given
that much thought. But the flag always bothered me because
of the sword.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Really really Okay? Did it bother you before the I mean,
all of this controversy sort of erupted in the wake
of the George Floyd murder, and I had it always
when you say, always bothered you.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Even I didn't see the purpose of it, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, what they what they said was that the that
the purse. The purpose of it was that when again
in the Global article here it says the design draws
on the original seal of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, which
featured a Native American man naked but for some shrubbery
around is growing, saying come over and help us. And
(35:15):
the sword depicted once belonged to Miles Standards, a seventeenth
century military commander. I understand that the image was draped
by a Latin model that said by the sword, we
seek peace, but peace only under liberty. And I think
the concept of liberty was pretty big at the time
of the Revolution, when we were trying to get out
(35:35):
from under the boot of the British Empire. So you know,
I guess you've got to take it in context in
terms of time.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
So yeah, but you know it's time, it's time for change. Okay, Well, Frank,
just get rid of the sword.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Well that's okay, we got it. We'll have that up
for a vote next week maybe. And you're an official
member of the night Side Commission. I want you to
know that, and with that comes all sorts of rights
and privileges which we we still haven't figured out. Okay,
it's but but you are a commissioner with portfolio. I
want you to know if anybody asks you. Okay, all right,
you two, Frank, doctor you soon have a great night.
(36:13):
We're gonna take a break. Florence and Laura, you stay
right there. And we got one open line at six
one seven, two five four ten thirty and two at
six one seven nine three one ten thirty. Let's keep
it rolling. We're talking about the failure of the Massachusetts
Seal Flag and Moto Advisory Commission, and we will fill.
(36:33):
We will fill this UH responsibility for them. We will
fill the breach, is what I was trying to say
back on night Side, right after this
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