December 2, 2025 • 41 mins
The Massachusetts Seal, Flag, and Motto Advisory Commission is asking for another extension regarding its recommendations for a new state flag and seal. The commission says they need the extension because "there remains a fundamental public misunderstanding about why the flag’s controversial imagery needs to go” and they believe "that more time is needed to ensure robust community engagement.” What suggestion do you have for a new state flag and seal?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Dan Watkins. Nothing will cheer the Bruins up more that
play in the Blues. Absolutely, it's a It's an absolute guarantee.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And they get their old coach on the opposing bench
for the first time to time back.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, I'm not sure he was he they played him
a year ago, but I guess they played him out
of Saint Louis.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Right, Yeah, this will be his first trip back to
the Garden since he got fired about it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
You get a good goaltender, Billington's a good goaltender.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
They did, and he got in a little spat with
Montgomery the other night. I don't know if you saw
that going down the tunnel, but it sounds like they're
all good over there.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Oh woa, No, I did not say that. Will you
follow this stuff really closely? I just am kind of
the casual hockey guy, you know. Well it was the
nose to nose, I assume.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Just you know, screaming back and forth and all that.
And the reporters asked him about him, and Montgomery said, yeah,
we told each other that we love each other and
we went our separate ways. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
How was that after a loss? Our Let me take
I have their schedule right here.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, so they just lost the Ducks the other night
four to one, so I think that.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Was Yeah, maybe Billy did didn't have a great night.
I know this. He was great in the seventh game
of the Stanley Cup a few years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
He was, and he was great in that Four Nations
last year for Team Canada. Also at the Garden.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, came up big. Yeah. Those goaltenders that they're pretty unpredictable.
I guess Swimming had a tough night tonight. Yeah, they
went to the bullpen.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
They did first time this season. They gave one of
the goalies the hook in the period. He gave up
all five goals there.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
So yeah, it's funny that fifth goal was he was
just at a position on that I don't think he
knew where the puck was.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Now, a tough night all around for Swimming, all.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Right, that's okay, he said more. They's been playing really
well lately though.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yes, he stole them quite a few games, uh the
past few weeks. So they need you got it all right?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Damn we'll talk soon, be talking a little hockey talk
with you man. I like that absolutely all right. By
the way, I just want to thank we had a
bunch of folks who called in from around the country
let us know, including Canada that and so I got
to thank there was a call from Idaho. I have
no idea who's listening to us in Idaho, Texas, South Carolina.
(02:20):
I think that was Ian in Texas, Montreal. I know
we have listeners in Montreal and Wisconsin. I think that
was Karen who actually told Rob that our signal was
coming out there in Wisconsin. So it's great. Now we're
going to continue our conversation and if you've just joined us,
we're trying to have a little fun with this, but
(02:41):
it's a serious topic. Massachusetts, in the wake of the
George Floyd murder, like a lot of other states, looked
at some of the indisha of the state, including the flag,
which has been of some concern, and they're talking about
getting a new flag, a new state seal, and a
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new motto. I proposed a seal, just a cute little
seal head up out of the water. We've all seen
the picture, cute little devils. A friend of mine suggested
a shark fin behind the seal, because oftentimes sharks have
seals over for dinner. Maybe talking about the community We're
(03:25):
a water based where an ocean based country. We have
so much ocean, north shore, south shore, cape a whole
bit and the islands can't forget the islands. Thought that
would kind of pull things together. We came up with
a good motto, not me, but one of our listeners.
It was Alan swampskat in cod the fish Cod we trust.
(03:47):
I like that, I really do. Now. Frank in Boston
said keep the flag, but get rid of the sword
over the Native Americans head. So with that we're going
to continue and if you call in, you will become
an official member of the Night Side Massachusetts Coe Flag
and Motto Advisory Commission, and we will do something with
(04:11):
this next week. I really mean that. Tomorrow night. Rick
Edelman will join me. He has just written a book
which I hope many of you will read, called The
Truth About College, and he'll be with us an hour
tomorrow night from eleven o'clock, excuse me, from ten to eleven.
From ten to eleven, let me go next, right to
(04:32):
Laurie in Melrose. Laurie, thank you for calling. And had
a lot of female callers tonight, which I love you.
Folks have much better tastes on things like this. So
tell me what do you think either the sealing, the
flag or the motto should be.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Well, I just think the whole thing is I lave
on in God we trust. I think a lot of
people still believe in songs. You can believe in a
lot of different gods, And I think that's a nice thought.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
So so you like the in Cord we trust, it's
kind of a.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
God we trust. Yes, I think we're going to tell
people to take it off, to tell you the truth.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
No noways what he was saying is in cord meaning
the fish cod.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
It's insulting you change from God to cod like a fish.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Well, what he was saying was that that in Massachusetts
is so dependent upon I love seeing in God we
trust on money. I'm with you in that, okay.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Me, that was the first thought I wanted to go back.
The deal part is that I feel a Massachusetts and
it's so important. Well, you know all over our Boston
Lexington conquered the whole area that it should have en.
There's something to do, like with the two hundred and
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fiftieth and all this is going on to recognize the
people that fought to keep you know, to make you
know it started here. Yes, sir, yes, if it's a
seal for the state, then I would do something like
you could do the mini Man statue. Okay, Green, you
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could do something anything to do with the deep Hicks,
you know what we did. I mean, if you were
in Philadelphia, or you do the Liberty bell, I mean
the bell.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Oh no, I no, I guess I think that's a
good suggestion. The minute Man statue. It's a symbol that
everybody recognizes. You would you use that as the seal?
And also the flag?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Well, it doesn't as the seal, just go on the flag.
I'm unconfused.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well, I think that the I think this is the
seal can go on the flag. But there's no rules here,
meaning there was, you could have a seal, a state
seal that you could use, you know, in a variety
of ways. But you're right, the seal does go on
the flag. That's why when I was suggesting it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Doesn't have to be I mean, you know, Vonner twist
other things on the flag. They could put it in
the corner or something, or in the center, and then
they could put other things to deplict Massachusetts. I mean,
it's supposed to be a flag. Against seal for Massachusetts, Well.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
When you look at all the fifty state flags that
there's a variety of flags and a variety of styles
and a variety of presentations. There's no question about it.
Some of them are fairly abstract, some of them are
very literal.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
You're I think Massachusetts is very in the start of
a really shot of everything, you know, with the tea
potty and all the different things that happened and all
over you know, that period of time two and fifty
years ago. You know it can be deplicted good, But
you know, the seal I think should be something to
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do with. Like the all I could think of was
the you know, the statue and like that.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
The minute man statue, the one yeah with the farmers
holding the rifle. I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, all of it able to click
the farmer. There was a lot of thought, you know
for that statue.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And on the motto you you you would prefer in
God we trust as opposed to in cod we trust.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Cod just especially been spending in God your trust all
so long to turn you to a fish instead of God.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying, but I think
it's almost it's the Yeah, I think it was not
offered by al from Swampska in any way to be disrespectful.
That's what I'm trying to say. I hope you haven't
taken that.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I think it would be disrespectful to do it.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Okay, now I understand your point of view, but I
don't think he offered in that way. I think he
was offering.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I didn't say he did. I don't know him. So
I have no idea. Nobody.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Well, I want to keep members of the Commission, you know,
on pleasant terms with one another, because we will we
will reconvene at some point.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, I just I just feel, you know, if you
don't want to say God and God we trust and
here do later do about you know, freedom, free and
for all, or some sort of slogan from those days,
you know, our history instead of what we became.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, that's you know, really saying I got some open
lines at the seventh at six one seven freedom rings.
I mean, that's that's another one that would be more
consistent with certainly the the bells at the North Church
and all of that. You know, So who does.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
There's a lot of historical things around you know, and
I think it has to do, should have to do.
If it's not going to represent Massachusetts, it should represent
you know. Our history is is what we you know,
we create our part of you know, the United States.
History is what we did in the battle this time
of the Revolutionary War, and we stood up farmers stood
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up against you know, regular soldiers. There was incredibly unvo brave.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I agree with you, Laurie. I'm up on my break,
so I got to let you go. But thank you
so much for calling tonight. I hope you continue to
call and call more off. I appreciate it. Thank you
so much. All right, have a great night. Six one seven, two, five,
four ten thirty one line there and six one seven,
nine three thirty. I would love to finish out on
this tonight because I think it's a good topic. I
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think it's one that makes people think, and that's what
this show is all about. Laurie made me think. I
think the when I'm having a little bit of fun
and also a little bit of serious, there's a little
bit of sweet and sour here, salt and pepper. Please
understand what we're doing. We're trying to move things along.
We may actually strike upon something that will that we'll
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have some some real credibility, and Laurie did. Laurie had
a good suggestion, a very credible suggestion of you the
minute man statue six one seven, two, five, four ten
thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. We
have two callers from Groveland coming up next. Carl's will
be first, followed by Florence. Join the conversation here on
Nightside as we talk about the inability for four years
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for a commission that has been appointed twice here in
Massachusetts to come up with a proposal or an idea
for the Massachusetts Seal Flag and Motto. It's called the
Massachuse's Seal Flag and Motto Advisory Commission. We've come up
with some good ideas in just about a half an hour.
So let's keep it rolling, Nightsiders. You're a member of
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the knight Side Massachusetts Commission on the Seal Flag and Motto.
Back on Nightside right after this is a quick break,
so diale in turn it around. We'll be back right
after this.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Night Side five with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
All right, let's keep rolling. You're gonna go to Carl
and grovelin. Hey Carl, welcome you next to the Nightside.
Thanks for checking in.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Yeah, hi, darn I called in to see who were
days ago? When then you have a topic on stress
and anyway, I've got an idea for the flag, and
what I would like to see is a flag with
Massachusetts filled on top of it, yep, and then underneath
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it Plymouth Rock was sixteen twenty on it.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
That's a good idea, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Surrounded by thirteen colonial stars, and underneath the model would
be where it all started.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That's a pretty good flag.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
And they could incorporate a picture of Massissilia or on it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
It's going to get a little crowded there with a
picture of Massassoia, but I'm sure we could work it in.
But that's a pretty good flag. Plymouth Rock. You know
what the first time I saw Plymouth Rock. Have you
been to Plymouth to see Plymouth.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Rock many many years ago?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Bru Well, I always had the idea it was going
to be like a big rock, right. Well, it's kind
of more like a pebble when you really see it,
if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Yeah, I mean that they may have.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Worn down over time, but I forget there was some
product where there used to be like a mermaid sitting
on a Plymouth rock. I forget what that product was
from my childhood. I can't remember it, unfortunately, but when
I finally saw it, it wasn't all that impressive, if
you know what I'm saying. But I think in the
minds of people around the country, if they see Plymouth Rock,
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they'll think of Massachusetts, and I like where it all started.
That model would go very nice with Laurie's minut at
me and statue as well, So we might mix and
match here when we come up with our final offering. Here.
I mean this is we got some good, good ideas going.
I'm impressed with the ideas. I kind of was having
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fun with the idea of the seal, and then I
was taking it seriously. But I'm not taking the seal
as seriously as I was before. I think you and
Laurie have kind of tacked us back towards a more
serious conversation, which is fine. That's what the show is
all about. Mm hmmm. So thank you.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
It's nice. Oh yeah, it's nice to call in to
talk with you.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Dan. Well right back at your call. You know, Carl,
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To do that. Oh boy, let me say hi to
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Speaker 5 (15:15):
Okay, yep, okay, Dan.
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to the aforementioned Florence from Groveland. Florence. Carl from Groveland says, Hi,
I feel this is the Groveland radio show tonight. How
are you Florence?
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Oh good, We almost navi get anyone else.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Well, no, I've had other callings from Groveland, but I
have I don't think I've had a back to back.
So we got you and Carl back to back. What
do you think about the different ideas that have been
put forward or do you have one that you'd like
to put forward?
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Dan, First of all, I want to mention you did
this segment while ago. Yes, and I had called in
and I had mentioned to you about the little seal
that showed up in Beverly Knats.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yes, yes, all right, yes.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
And he became a celebrity and they gave him the
name of Schubert.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yes, I remember.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Schubert, and I think he deserves to be on that flag.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
All right, and Schubert the seal. Yeah, community.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
He welcomes. We could say he welcomes you to wonderful Massachusetts.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
That's possibility.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
I would like to see him maybe with the flag.
They could have him holding the flag and saluting and
put a little Navy cap on his head.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Well, now was in consideration here, that's in consideration. I'm
hoping maybe that next week we can have some sort
of a vote here. We'll have to figure out how
we do this. We won't be super ballid, but we'll
do it. Yeah. So whatever happened to Schubert did, did
Schubert head back in the Atlantic?
Speaker 6 (19:31):
They kept him both times. He came twice and they
kept him to check him, make sure he was well,
and then they led him back into the waters. I
was hoping that they would have kept him after retaining
the second time and maybe have him at the aquarium
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because living there it would have saved his life.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Well, that's true, because the seals can be a bit
of an endance species. I know the shocks love to
have the seal over.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
For dinner, but I wanted Yeah, and I wanted to
say on the flag dain they could work in the
US Constitution. How much more Massachusetts is that?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Well that's another another good Well again, Florence, you never
failed to come up with a good idea. So I
will incorporate all of that, and I'll make sure that
when we do this next week, we'll we'll mention, mention
it prominently. And Schubert the seal as well as the Constitution.
Maybe we could have a picture of of Schubert reading
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a constitution. Think about that. You never know, I mean, yeah, absolutely.
I'm up on my break at the bottom of the hour,
so I gotta let you run, Florence. But it's always
you now have a fan, Carlin Grovelin sounds like sounded
to me like a fan. And the next time you
see you go shopping and you see Carl with the
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Speaker 6 (21:06):
Okay, Yeah, all right, right.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Begs fl talk soon. Okay, all right, we got a
break here for the news. I got a couple of
lines six one, seven, two, five, four to ten thirty
and six one seven, nine, three, ten thirty. We did
a little politics from nine to ten, which was fine.
Talked about transparency, elect thereof in government. Uh. And we've
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talked about this, this effort, and it's only an effort
by these people who were political appointees, by the way,
they they have been appointed to this commission. They've spent
a lot of money, six figures at least or more,
well more. Uh. And there have been two incarnations, as
the Globe indicated, and they still haven't picked a motto.
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They haven't picked a seal, and they haven't picked a flag.
If you pick a seal, you can put the seal
in the flag killed two birds with one stone, and
then the motto. Just find some Latin phrase. Most people
won't understand that it doesn't matter, you know, just let's
have a little fun with this as well as serious
six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty six, seven ninety.
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Come on, folks, wake up, let's have some fun. Coming
back on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Okay, let me go to Patrick and Charlestown. Hey, Patrick,
welcome back.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
How are you damn How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I'm great? What's your idea? Are you with me on
the seal for the Yeah?
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Well, I was thinking that this is just a wonderful opportunity.
Isn't it just to create a new new flag since uh,
you know the colony was established all the way back
and uh its predecessor at least in sixteen twenty, that
it's just now the time is to change it. And
this isn't about, you know, replacing history. It's not about
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a racing history, is it. I mean, this isn't just
a propagand a move by a bunch of sympathy a
bunch of small group of politically involved activists, sympathetic media,
a bunch of board cowardly legislators. This is a genuine thing.
We really want to do this, we really want to
change history.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Right.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
So I was thinking that in the past they had
Miles Standish's arm as a representation actually against the British,
not the Native Americans. But that doesn't really the historical
accuracy of their argument doesn't really matter. It doesn't We'll
just say it's Miles Standish attack in the Native American
to justify a replacement of what what I was thinking
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was instead of the sword, what we could do is
have a protest march on top where the sword used
to be. It could be led by Elizabeth Warren with
her cuckoo eyeballs and her glasses, screaming the ghost to
Ted Kennedy and maybe maybe might to caucus on a tank.
And what they could do is beneath where the Native
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American warriors, we could have healthy families and businesses fleeing
for New Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So I get a sense that that that that you're
not happy with the state of affairs in Massachusetts these days.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
I just I mean, it's it's so comical, it's ridiculous,
you know. Uh, but and and and uh, you know,
it's funny they point, they point a commission of morons.
Uh that they.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Couldn't They couldn't. They couldn't have arrived at a at
a decision. I mean, they could have picked you know, anything,
and it probably would have flown through. But can you
imagine the amount of money that they spent. Uh, They
had meetings more meetings. At the end, the first commission
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gave up the Ghost, and then the second commission they
look like they're read to quit too. Well.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
I don't know how Shatrick reads or whether the governor
has any executive authority, but if she does, she should
just disband this thing.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
And just well I think she has one. I think
Governor Healy has one appointee. Uh, you know, from an
exo official point of view, I guess this is a
A creation of the legislature was created in twenty twenty
one in the wake of the the George Floyd murder
in Minneapolis, which obviously caused a great deal of retrospective
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thought of various groups, and a lot of groups jumped
on it to try to make political hay with it.
And I think that that that time is passing, so
maybe now we can come up with something that will
actually what do you think of my idea? Patrick, a
seal as the Seal of Massachusetts.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
I was, I did you could just call it seal
seal squared or something like that. So it's it's I
like it. It's a pretty good Maybe maybe Captain uh course,
his name Captain Quinn from from Jaws with a bottle
of booze in his hands, chasing the sharks, a new
Native American. He could have the you know, his shotgun
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in the bottle of booze and and uh maybe maybe
Jaws in the background.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And all right, well, I'm not I'm not sure that
we're gonna I don't think you're offering these with a
complete sincerity. But but we'll we'll consider everything at this point, Patrick,
because we're desperate for a new flag and new seal, and.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
We really need it. It's really important, it's really this
is a deeply important thing.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
You know.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
Housing costs can wait, transportation could wait. The drug crisis,
the bridge to the Island and Long Island, that can wait.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Well, maybe maybe we could incorporate that. Maybe we could
have mass and casts a picture of people from Massive
cast as the Massachusetts Seal. I mean, none of the.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Public limousine have done. Any limousine driving by it indifferently
filled with poulp Massachusetts politicians on their cell phones.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, okay, all right, all right Patrick, great a great job,
Thanks very much. Appreciate the call. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. Come on, people, I'm looking for some humor.
Be a little more subtle than Ben Patrick. But that's okay,
join the conversation. We have lines at six one, seven, two, five,
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four to ten thirty and lines at six one, seven, nine, three,
one ten thirty. We can't be serious every night. I'm
not going to do a show with four hours of
doom and gloom that's not me. Okay. We have to
every once in a while throw a little bit of
an off speed pitch, a little bit of a change
up and make you think, what should the Massachusetts flag
look like if we're going to change it? Uh? And
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what should they be? What should be on the Massachusetts healing?
No one suggested a model. There must be some of
you out there who are Latin linguists out there. Let
me go to Tom in Dorchester, Tom, welcome.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Back, How are you hi, Jane?
Speaker 8 (28:11):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I got the daily double with you and Patrick. Go
right ahead, Tom.
Speaker 9 (28:19):
Instead of a seal on the flag, yeah, they should
put a picture of all the politicians politicians in Massachusetts,
a picture of them on the flag, and then the
logo should be in lunatics, we trust.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I think very subtole Tom, that's very very subtle. Oh Tom,
let me tell you never disappoint Hey. Thanks very metric calling.
And I'm happy h that you're listening. Hope you and
yours had a nice Thanksgiving. Okay, thank you too, Jan
all right, thank you? Good? All right? I have wide
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open lines here. Please don't don't let this. I'm not
going to which topics at this point unless you make me.
I need a few more suggestions, serious or otherwise about
your seal what the Massachusetts flag should be. I'm serious.
This is kind of disgraceful that after four years and
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two commissions, we're still struggling over this. And I understand
it's a serious subject, and it's a serious topic, and
I understand that there are people, as you've heard tonight,
who take this quite seriously. And I think that Laurie
from Melrose, with the suggestion of the min and man statue,
that's a good suggestion, to be really honest with you.
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I think that others have made suggestions that might not
have been as serious. But let's let's keep rolling here.
If Jordan's ready, we're going to go to Jordan and Framingham. Jordan,
you're on quicker than you ever could have imagined today. Jordan,
How are you welcome?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Dan?
Speaker 8 (30:02):
How are you go?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Ahead? Tell us about a proposal that you might have
for a Massachusetts flag seal and maybe even a motto.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
All I have to say is I think it's trivial
discussion and that we have a lot better things to
spend our time and money on.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Well, we do have to have a flag, uh and
and and if if we don't, if we're not careful,
this group might take the flag and hijack the flag.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
I think some of.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
The oh, I couldn't understand them, I mean subtlety was
like beyond me. Uh you know, I mean the American
flag that we all understand clearly. You know, the fifty states.
The flag has remained the same for a long long time.
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And when states were added, the number of stars were
we're you know, recalculated and repositioned and so and the
and the thirteen stripes represent the colonies and all of that,
and the red, white, and blue. We did a great
job on our flag. I hope we can do something
similar here in Massachusetts. I was kind of having fun
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with it when I talk about using the head of
a seal. But the more I thought about it, I
convinced myself maybe maybe that would be something that everyone
could agree upon. There's nothing everyone will agree upon. That's
what I've concluded, right, Jordan. I appreciate you taking the
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time and bringing a note of sobriety to the to
the have you called before?
Speaker 5 (31:43):
This is your first call I've called before.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
We'll do me a favorite call more often. I enjoyed
the conversation. I thank you much, thanks so much, have
a good night you too. All right, so we're going
to take a break, which means Linda in Weymouth will
be next.
Speaker 10 (32:00):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And if you're out there listening again, we're trying to
have a little bit of fun. What we try to
do on night side sometimes is lighten up just a
little bit. Uh. At the same time, there have been
some people who have suggested really serious ideas which there
will be something chosen I assume maybe to be the
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third commission that they appoint. I think it's disgraceful that
they've spent this amount of money already and they have
many able to come up with something decent for either
a flag, a seal or a motto. I mean, come
on six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty or
six one, seven, nine, three thirty. Got one more break
(32:41):
and then we head to the finish line. Let's finish strongly.
I'd invite you to call okay doing a four hour
show here and coming up with topics that people can
be interested in. It can be uh, it can be challenging. Uh.
And if you're sitting out there tonight and you don't
like this, conversation, or you don't like this topic, I
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would say, feel free to suggest others. Okay, it's as
simple as that, I'm not going to do the same
show every night. I'm not going to do four hours
of politics and beat you over the head with politics.
Not going to do that. Simple as that. I want
as many people as possible to feel free to call
this program and to participate in this program, and to
listen to this program. And I think we've had some
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really creative and entertaining calls tonight from different perspectives, and
people are out there thinking, and that is what I
think is the key to the success of Nightside. So
if you'd like to join this conversation as we head
towards the exit six one, seven, two, five, four to
ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty,
I'll remind you the tomorrow night. Rick Edelman will join
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us at ten o'clock. A great financial planning. You've heard
him on the air for so many years, and we
will we'll talk about He has a new book that
I think a lot of people, particularly those of you
who have teenage or people who are thinking about going
off to college. The book is entitled The truth about college.
Lots of facts and figures that I think might surprise you.
(34:08):
Back on Nightside right after.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
This, it's Night Side with Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
All right, let's go back. We'll wrap this one up tonight.
Let me go to Linda in Weymouth. Linda, next on Nightside,
go right ahead, Hi, I just caught you.
Speaker 10 (34:27):
I'm talking about this and I had dozedp sorry and
maybe that's okay.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
It's the end of a long day, Linda. Sometimes I
feel like dozing off to got a Well, give me a.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
Call home, run out, and we leave you. Anyways, maybe
at the end, if you need a little more information
for the episode, you can recap what some of the
good ones were. My suggestion, I have to and I
need help. On the second one, they is a seal
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riding a humpback whale.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Okay, I don't think of humpback whales as being a
native to our area. But that's fine. That's again someone
that suggested to me a seal with I suggested a seal,
and they said, added sharks fin in the background. But
that's right, a seal riding a humpback whale. Okay, what
else you got?
Speaker 10 (35:28):
We get a lot of we get that get misdirected
and lost at Cape Cod because of the the book
that interrupts it travels south anyways. The other one was, now,
this is.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
The one you need help with, so everybody should pay
closer attention.
Speaker 10 (35:51):
Go ahead, a seal and we are supposed to be
took to democracy and democratic and republican, but I know
we don't have it really balanced. Maybe and also a
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peace sign piece.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Oh okay, you never know.
Speaker 10 (36:22):
Who eats and needs the seals.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Who eats the seals? Is that your question? Yes, well,
sharks enjoy having seals over for dinner.
Speaker 10 (36:34):
Then maybe that's why she had put put that out. Yes,
the Republicans or the Democrats is the sharks and the Republicans,
the seals and the sharks.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
The funny thing about it is the largest group of
voters in Massachusetts are neither Republicans nor Democrats. They're unenrolled. Myself, independent,
Gell like me too. That's why we're very simil We
see things in similar fashion. Linda, thank you for your suggestions.
I'll write them down here and we'll consider all of
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them and maybe we'll have a vote amongst our listeners
next week. Thanks for the calling. For the call. And
by the way, stay warm. Is going to get really
cold the next couple of days, particularly over I tried to.
Speaker 10 (37:17):
Reach out to my sister Pray because I got snap
Dad with some ideas for a winter covering that they
had various businesses for your windshield to keep the snow off. Yeah,
it also was good for the frost.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
If it's good for the snow, it has to be good.
They say. What's good for the goose is good for
the gander. What's good for the snow is good for
the frost. We've just made up another one. Thanks Linda,
we'll talk soon. Have a great night. Let me go
to Bob Kingston. Bob, you may wrap the hour for us.
Go right ahead, all.
Speaker 8 (37:53):
Right, Don Philippin is a beautiful statue Ambassis lout sawyet
up on a hill, super physically fit, looking down at
the Mayflower, which I would have the Mayflower a side
view of it, you know, yeah, I get the iconic
shape of that. That would be serious. Not so serious
would be the blue bikes corral at the bottom of
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Abe right at them Cen O'Brien bridge. There's a double
wide bike. Oh that the bikes going open to the
child rivers. That would be my less serious.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Oh, I'm with you. The the blue bikes are everywhere.
Someone is making a lot of money on the blue bikes,
to be honest with you.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
Down to Rhode Island, they're red. They do the same
thing in Rhode Island and Providence, Rhode Island. You get
off the station there and you come up and they
got a corral right there with red bikes. The same
thing on leave red.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
You know, it's unbelievable. Mean, whoever come up with that idea,
It really works. I always assumed that here in Boston,
with the blue bikes are everywhere, that some poor family
like from Iowa would be at the top of Beacon
Hill and not really knowing how to ride a blue
bike and just couldn't stop.
Speaker 8 (39:06):
But well, I have a tallage for you. Stand on
the day buga overpass in the middle, and the girls
who barely wivly wobbly wily wobble over the overpass. They
have to make a handpin turn on either rent to
get down off it come up onto it.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, I know exactly, I know exactly what you mean. Obviously,
that's right over in in memory of David Mugar. It
leads right to the to the shell where we celebrate the.
Speaker 8 (39:40):
The kids a planet of the sandbox on the on
the hatch heel side. You're a poet of the spring time.
So by the way, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Bring in summer fall. That's great. January February. I'm not
going over there though. When I was younger, I lived
on the river, and I used to run the river
every day, even in the at the dinner I lived.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
I worked on Newbery Street, and I was there coming
into Newbery in five in the morning, and I would
go over there and do a little road work, you know,
to kill time. I had an hour to kill before
my place opened.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Up, so I would hit it. I had. I had
a great root of the river, four miles and uh
and I could do it in.
Speaker 8 (40:23):
Twenty to go all the way up to waters out
or that far.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
No I did that once I did. I did a
twenty minute route one day, longest they ever rin. But
most days I ran four miles and I could run
it like clockwork, finish in twenty eight minutes. I couldn't.
I couldn't do I couldn't do that today. If you
paid me.
Speaker 8 (40:44):
Twenty eight minutes, that's awesome. I really, really, I.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Would do ten k's in less than forty two so
that oh my god, yeah, no, no, no, I I
was in pretty good shape back in the day. Hey,
probably a second little of bragg than my right.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
I saw a picture of you at the thirty fifth
anniversary of that station. You were way over, I think
on the right side. As you're looking down at the picture,
I'm thinking that's you.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I think it was me. Yes, yeah, I'm still on
the right side too. By the way, Thanks Bob, I
gotta run, Buddy, gotta go. Thank you much. We're done
for the night. Rob Brooks, great job. Mariita, thank you
very much. All the callers, thank you. The callers are
so important. The listeners are important, but the callers are
the most important. All dogs, all cats, all pets go
to heaven. That's what my pell Charlie Ray Is, who
passed fifteen years ago in February. That's all your pets
(41:33):
are past. They loved you and you love them. I
do believe you'll see the begin We'll see again tomorrow night.
Rick Edelman at ten o'clock and Charity Combine get your
entrance in. We'd love to have you on the show.
Dan Watkins. Nothing will cheer the Bruins up more that
play in the Blues. Absolutely, it's a It's an absolute guarantee.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And they get their old coach on the opposing bench
for the first time to time back.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, I'm not sure he was he they played him
a year ago, but I guess they played him out
of Saint Louis.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Right, Yeah, this will be his first trip back to
the Garden since he got fired about it.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
You get a good goaltender, Billington's a good goaltender.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
They did, and he got in a little spat with
Montgomery the other night. I don't know if you saw
that going down the tunnel, but it sounds like they're
all good over there.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Oh woa, No, I did not say that. Will you
follow this stuff really closely? I just am kind of
the casual hockey guy, you know. Well it was the
nose to nose, I assume.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Just you know, screaming back and forth and all that.
And the reporters asked him about him, and Montgomery said, yeah,
we told each other that we love each other and
we went our separate ways. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
How was that after a loss? Our Let me take
I have their schedule right here.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, so they just lost the Ducks the other night
four to one, so I think that.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Was Yeah, maybe Billy did didn't have a great night.
I know this. He was great in the seventh game
of the Stanley Cup a few years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
He was, and he was great in that Four Nations
last year for Team Canada. Also at the Garden.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, came up big. Yeah. Those goaltenders that they're pretty unpredictable.
I guess Swimming had a tough night tonight. Yeah, they
went to the bullpen.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
They did first time this season. They gave one of
the goalies the hook in the period. He gave up
all five goals there.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
So yeah, it's funny that fifth goal was he was
just at a position on that I don't think he
knew where the puck was.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Now, a tough night all around for Swimming, all.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Right, that's okay, he said more. They's been playing really
well lately though.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yes, he stole them quite a few games, uh the
past few weeks. So they need you got it all right?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Damn we'll talk soon, be talking a little hockey talk
with you man. I like that absolutely all right. By
the way, I just want to thank we had a
bunch of folks who called in from around the country
let us know, including Canada that and so I got
to thank there was a call from Idaho. I have
no idea who's listening to us in Idaho, Texas, South Carolina.
(02:20):
I think that was Ian in Texas, Montreal. I know
we have listeners in Montreal and Wisconsin. I think that
was Karen who actually told Rob that our signal was
coming out there in Wisconsin. So it's great. Now we're
going to continue our conversation and if you've just joined us,
we're trying to have a little fun with this, but
(02:41):
it's a serious topic. Massachusetts, in the wake of the
George Floyd murder, like a lot of other states, looked
at some of the indisha of the state, including the flag,
which has been of some concern, and they're talking about
getting a new flag, a new state seal, and a
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new motto. I proposed a seal, just a cute little
seal head up out of the water. We've all seen
the picture, cute little devils. A friend of mine suggested
a shark fin behind the seal, because oftentimes sharks have
seals over for dinner. Maybe talking about the community We're
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a water based where an ocean based country. We have
so much ocean, north shore, south shore, cape a whole
bit and the islands can't forget the islands. Thought that
would kind of pull things together. We came up with
a good motto, not me, but one of our listeners.
It was Alan swampskat in cod the fish Cod we trust.
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I like that, I really do. Now. Frank in Boston
said keep the flag, but get rid of the sword
over the Native Americans head. So with that we're going
to continue and if you call in, you will become
an official member of the Night Side Massachusetts Coe Flag
and Motto Advisory Commission, and we will do something with
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this next week. I really mean that. Tomorrow night. Rick
Edelman will join me. He has just written a book
which I hope many of you will read, called The
Truth About College, and he'll be with us an hour
tomorrow night from eleven o'clock, excuse me, from ten to eleven.
From ten to eleven, let me go next, right to
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Laurie in Melrose. Laurie, thank you for calling. And had
a lot of female callers tonight, which I love you.
Folks have much better tastes on things like this. So
tell me what do you think either the sealing, the
flag or the motto should be.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Well, I just think the whole thing is I lave
on in God we trust. I think a lot of
people still believe in songs. You can believe in a
lot of different gods, And I think that's a nice thought.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
So so you like the in Cord we trust, it's
kind of a.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
God we trust. Yes, I think we're going to tell
people to take it off, to tell you the truth.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
No noways what he was saying is in cord meaning
the fish cod.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
It's insulting you change from God to cod like a fish.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Well, what he was saying was that that in Massachusetts
is so dependent upon I love seeing in God we
trust on money. I'm with you in that, okay.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Me, that was the first thought I wanted to go back.
The deal part is that I feel a Massachusetts and
it's so important. Well, you know all over our Boston
Lexington conquered the whole area that it should have en.
There's something to do, like with the two hundred and
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fiftieth and all this is going on to recognize the
people that fought to keep you know, to make you
know it started here. Yes, sir, yes, if it's a
seal for the state, then I would do something like
you could do the mini Man statue. Okay, Green, you
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could do something anything to do with the deep Hicks,
you know what we did. I mean, if you were
in Philadelphia, or you do the Liberty bell, I mean
the bell.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Oh no, I no, I guess I think that's a
good suggestion. The minute Man statue. It's a symbol that
everybody recognizes. You would you use that as the seal?
And also the flag?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Well, it doesn't as the seal, just go on the flag.
I'm unconfused.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well, I think that the I think this is the
seal can go on the flag. But there's no rules here,
meaning there was, you could have a seal, a state
seal that you could use, you know, in a variety
of ways. But you're right, the seal does go on
the flag. That's why when I was suggesting it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Doesn't have to be I mean, you know, Vonner twist
other things on the flag. They could put it in
the corner or something, or in the center, and then
they could put other things to deplict Massachusetts. I mean,
it's supposed to be a flag. Against seal for Massachusetts, Well.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
When you look at all the fifty state flags that
there's a variety of flags and a variety of styles
and a variety of presentations. There's no question about it.
Some of them are fairly abstract, some of them are
very literal.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
You're I think Massachusetts is very in the start of
a really shot of everything, you know, with the tea
potty and all the different things that happened and all
over you know, that period of time two and fifty
years ago. You know it can be deplicted good, But
you know, the seal I think should be something to
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do with. Like the all I could think of was
the you know, the statue and like that.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
The minute man statue, the one yeah with the farmers
holding the rifle. I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, all of it able to click
the farmer. There was a lot of thought, you know
for that statue.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
And on the motto you you you would prefer in
God we trust as opposed to in cod we trust.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Cod just especially been spending in God your trust all
so long to turn you to a fish instead of God.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying, but I think
it's almost it's the Yeah, I think it was not
offered by al from Swampska in any way to be disrespectful.
That's what I'm trying to say. I hope you haven't
taken that.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I think it would be disrespectful to do it.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Okay, now I understand your point of view, but I
don't think he offered in that way. I think he
was offering.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I didn't say he did. I don't know him. So
I have no idea. Nobody.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Well, I want to keep members of the Commission, you know,
on pleasant terms with one another, because we will we
will reconvene at some point.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, I just I just feel, you know, if you
don't want to say God and God we trust and
here do later do about you know, freedom, free and
for all, or some sort of slogan from those days,
you know, our history instead of what we became.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, that's you know, really saying I got some open
lines at the seventh at six one seven freedom rings.
I mean, that's that's another one that would be more
consistent with certainly the the bells at the North Church
and all of that. You know, So who does.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
There's a lot of historical things around you know, and
I think it has to do, should have to do.
If it's not going to represent Massachusetts, it should represent
you know. Our history is is what we you know,
we create our part of you know, the United States.
History is what we did in the battle this time
of the Revolutionary War, and we stood up farmers stood
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up against you know, regular soldiers. There was incredibly unvo brave.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I agree with you, Laurie. I'm up on my break,
so I got to let you go. But thank you
so much for calling tonight. I hope you continue to
call and call more off. I appreciate it. Thank you
so much. All right, have a great night. Six one seven, two, five,
four ten thirty one line there and six one seven,
nine three thirty. I would love to finish out on
this tonight because I think it's a good topic. I
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think it's one that makes people think, and that's what
this show is all about. Laurie made me think. I
think the when I'm having a little bit of fun
and also a little bit of serious, there's a little
bit of sweet and sour here, salt and pepper. Please
understand what we're doing. We're trying to move things along.
We may actually strike upon something that will that we'll
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have some some real credibility, and Laurie did. Laurie had
a good suggestion, a very credible suggestion of you the
minute man statue six one seven, two, five, four ten
thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. We
have two callers from Groveland coming up next. Carl's will
be first, followed by Florence. Join the conversation here on
Nightside as we talk about the inability for four years
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for a commission that has been appointed twice here in
Massachusetts to come up with a proposal or an idea
for the Massachusetts Seal Flag and Motto. It's called the
Massachuse's Seal Flag and Motto Advisory Commission. We've come up
with some good ideas in just about a half an hour.
So let's keep it rolling, Nightsiders. You're a member of
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the knight Side Massachusetts Commission on the Seal Flag and Motto.
Back on Nightside right after this is a quick break,
so diale in turn it around. We'll be back right
after this.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Night Side five with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
All right, let's keep rolling. You're gonna go to Carl
and grovelin. Hey Carl, welcome you next to the Nightside.
Thanks for checking in.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Yeah, hi, darn I called in to see who were
days ago? When then you have a topic on stress
and anyway, I've got an idea for the flag, and
what I would like to see is a flag with
Massachusetts filled on top of it, yep, and then underneath
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it Plymouth Rock was sixteen twenty on it.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
That's a good idea, yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Surrounded by thirteen colonial stars, and underneath the model would
be where it all started.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That's a pretty good flag.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
And they could incorporate a picture of Massissilia or on it.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
It's going to get a little crowded there with a
picture of Massassoia, but I'm sure we could work it in.
But that's a pretty good flag. Plymouth Rock. You know
what the first time I saw Plymouth Rock. Have you
been to Plymouth to see Plymouth.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Rock many many years ago?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Bru Well, I always had the idea it was going
to be like a big rock, right. Well, it's kind
of more like a pebble when you really see it,
if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Yeah, I mean that they may have.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Worn down over time, but I forget there was some
product where there used to be like a mermaid sitting
on a Plymouth rock. I forget what that product was
from my childhood. I can't remember it, unfortunately, but when
I finally saw it, it wasn't all that impressive, if
you know what I'm saying. But I think in the
minds of people around the country, if they see Plymouth Rock,
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they'll think of Massachusetts, and I like where it all started.
That model would go very nice with Laurie's minut at
me and statue as well, So we might mix and
match here when we come up with our final offering. Here.
I mean this is we got some good, good ideas going.
I'm impressed with the ideas. I kind of was having
(14:01):
fun with the idea of the seal, and then I
was taking it seriously. But I'm not taking the seal
as seriously as I was before. I think you and
Laurie have kind of tacked us back towards a more
serious conversation, which is fine. That's what the show is
all about. Mm hmmm. So thank you.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
It's nice. Oh yeah, it's nice to call in to
talk with you.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Dan. Well right back at your call. You know, Carl,
you're a really nice guy, and you're a new listener.
I'm going to send you a night side canvas tote
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Speaker 5 (14:40):
To do that. Oh boy, let me say hi to
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Speaker 1 (14:47):
Well, she's going to come up right behind you here,
so I'll tell her you said hi. Okay, now, if
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Speaker 5 (15:15):
Okay, yep, okay, Dan.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Don't hang up. Rob will take care of you. By
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to the aforementioned Florence from Groveland. Florence. Carl from Groveland says, Hi,
I feel this is the Groveland radio show tonight. How
are you Florence?
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Oh good, We almost navi get anyone else.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Well, no, I've had other callings from Groveland, but I
have I don't think I've had a back to back.
So we got you and Carl back to back. What
do you think about the different ideas that have been
put forward or do you have one that you'd like
to put forward?
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Dan, First of all, I want to mention you did
this segment while ago. Yes, and I had called in
and I had mentioned to you about the little seal
that showed up in Beverly Knats.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yes, yes, all right, yes.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
And he became a celebrity and they gave him the
name of Schubert.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yes, I remember.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Schubert, and I think he deserves to be on that flag.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
All right, and Schubert the seal. Yeah, community.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
He welcomes. We could say he welcomes you to wonderful Massachusetts.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
That's possibility.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
I would like to see him maybe with the flag.
They could have him holding the flag and saluting and
put a little Navy cap on his head.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Well, now was in consideration here, that's in consideration. I'm
hoping maybe that next week we can have some sort
of a vote here. We'll have to figure out how
we do this. We won't be super ballid, but we'll
do it. Yeah. So whatever happened to Schubert did, did
Schubert head back in the Atlantic?
Speaker 6 (19:31):
They kept him both times. He came twice and they
kept him to check him, make sure he was well,
and then they led him back into the waters. I
was hoping that they would have kept him after retaining
the second time and maybe have him at the aquarium
(19:52):
because living there it would have saved his life.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Well, that's true, because the seals can be a bit
of an endance species. I know the shocks love to
have the seal over.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
For dinner, but I wanted Yeah, and I wanted to
say on the flag dain they could work in the
US Constitution. How much more Massachusetts is that?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Well that's another another good Well again, Florence, you never
failed to come up with a good idea. So I
will incorporate all of that, and I'll make sure that
when we do this next week, we'll we'll mention, mention
it prominently. And Schubert the seal as well as the Constitution.
Maybe we could have a picture of of Schubert reading
(20:44):
a constitution. Think about that. You never know, I mean, yeah, absolutely.
I'm up on my break at the bottom of the hour,
so I gotta let you run, Florence. But it's always
you now have a fan, Carlin Grovelin sounds like sounded
to me like a fan. And the next time you
see you go shopping and you see Carl with the
(21:04):
night side bag, you'll know it's Carl.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Okay, Yeah, all right, right.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Begs fl talk soon. Okay, all right, we got a
break here for the news. I got a couple of
lines six one, seven, two, five, four to ten thirty
and six one seven, nine, three, ten thirty. We did
a little politics from nine to ten, which was fine.
Talked about transparency, elect thereof in government. Uh. And we've
(21:30):
talked about this, this effort, and it's only an effort
by these people who were political appointees, by the way,
they they have been appointed to this commission. They've spent
a lot of money, six figures at least or more,
well more. Uh. And there have been two incarnations, as
the Globe indicated, and they still haven't picked a motto.
(21:53):
They haven't picked a seal, and they haven't picked a flag.
If you pick a seal, you can put the seal
in the flag killed two birds with one stone, and
then the motto. Just find some Latin phrase. Most people
won't understand that it doesn't matter, you know, just let's
have a little fun with this as well as serious
six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty six, seven ninety.
(22:16):
Come on, folks, wake up, let's have some fun. Coming
back on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Okay, let me go to Patrick and Charlestown. Hey, Patrick,
welcome back.
Speaker 7 (22:31):
How are you damn How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I'm great? What's your idea? Are you with me on
the seal for the Yeah?
Speaker 7 (22:40):
Well, I was thinking that this is just a wonderful opportunity.
Isn't it just to create a new new flag since uh,
you know the colony was established all the way back
and uh its predecessor at least in sixteen twenty, that
it's just now the time is to change it. And
this isn't about, you know, replacing history. It's not about
(23:02):
a racing history, is it. I mean, this isn't just
a propagand a move by a bunch of sympathy a
bunch of small group of politically involved activists, sympathetic media,
a bunch of board cowardly legislators. This is a genuine thing.
We really want to do this, we really want to
change history.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Right.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
So I was thinking that in the past they had
Miles Standish's arm as a representation actually against the British,
not the Native Americans. But that doesn't really the historical
accuracy of their argument doesn't really matter. It doesn't We'll
just say it's Miles Standish attack in the Native American
to justify a replacement of what what I was thinking
(23:44):
was instead of the sword, what we could do is
have a protest march on top where the sword used
to be. It could be led by Elizabeth Warren with
her cuckoo eyeballs and her glasses, screaming the ghost to
Ted Kennedy and maybe maybe might to caucus on a tank.
And what they could do is beneath where the Native
(24:06):
American warriors, we could have healthy families and businesses fleeing
for New Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So I get a sense that that that that you're
not happy with the state of affairs in Massachusetts these days.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
I just I mean, it's it's so comical, it's ridiculous,
you know. Uh, but and and and uh, you know,
it's funny they point, they point a commission of morons.
Uh that they.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Couldn't They couldn't. They couldn't have arrived at a at
a decision. I mean, they could have picked you know, anything,
and it probably would have flown through. But can you
imagine the amount of money that they spent. Uh, They
had meetings more meetings. At the end, the first commission
(24:56):
gave up the Ghost, and then the second commission they
look like they're read to quit too. Well.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
I don't know how Shatrick reads or whether the governor
has any executive authority, but if she does, she should
just disband this thing.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
And just well I think she has one. I think
Governor Healy has one appointee. Uh, you know, from an
exo official point of view, I guess this is a
A creation of the legislature was created in twenty twenty
one in the wake of the the George Floyd murder
in Minneapolis, which obviously caused a great deal of retrospective
(25:35):
thought of various groups, and a lot of groups jumped
on it to try to make political hay with it.
And I think that that that time is passing, so
maybe now we can come up with something that will
actually what do you think of my idea? Patrick, a
seal as the Seal of Massachusetts.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
I was, I did you could just call it seal
seal squared or something like that. So it's it's I
like it. It's a pretty good Maybe maybe Captain uh course,
his name Captain Quinn from from Jaws with a bottle
of booze in his hands, chasing the sharks, a new
Native American. He could have the you know, his shotgun
(26:19):
in the bottle of booze and and uh maybe maybe
Jaws in the background.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And all right, well, I'm not I'm not sure that
we're gonna I don't think you're offering these with a
complete sincerity. But but we'll we'll consider everything at this point, Patrick,
because we're desperate for a new flag and new seal, and.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
We really need it. It's really important, it's really this
is a deeply important thing.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
You know.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
Housing costs can wait, transportation could wait. The drug crisis,
the bridge to the Island and Long Island, that can wait.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Well, maybe maybe we could incorporate that. Maybe we could
have mass and casts a picture of people from Massive
cast as the Massachusetts Seal. I mean, none of the.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Public limousine have done. Any limousine driving by it indifferently
filled with poulp Massachusetts politicians on their cell phones.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, okay, all right, all right Patrick, great a great job,
Thanks very much. Appreciate the call. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. Come on, people, I'm looking for some humor.
Be a little more subtle than Ben Patrick. But that's okay,
join the conversation. We have lines at six one, seven, two, five,
(27:34):
four to ten thirty and lines at six one, seven, nine, three,
one ten thirty. We can't be serious every night. I'm
not going to do a show with four hours of
doom and gloom that's not me. Okay. We have to
every once in a while throw a little bit of
an off speed pitch, a little bit of a change
up and make you think, what should the Massachusetts flag
look like if we're going to change it? Uh? And
(27:56):
what should they be? What should be on the Massachusetts healing?
No one suggested a model. There must be some of
you out there who are Latin linguists out there. Let
me go to Tom in Dorchester, Tom, welcome.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Back, How are you hi, Jane?
Speaker 8 (28:11):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I got the daily double with you and Patrick. Go
right ahead, Tom.
Speaker 9 (28:19):
Instead of a seal on the flag, yeah, they should
put a picture of all the politicians politicians in Massachusetts,
a picture of them on the flag, and then the
logo should be in lunatics, we trust.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I think very subtole Tom, that's very very subtle. Oh Tom,
let me tell you never disappoint Hey. Thanks very metric calling.
And I'm happy h that you're listening. Hope you and
yours had a nice Thanksgiving. Okay, thank you too, Jan
all right, thank you? Good? All right? I have wide
(28:55):
open lines here. Please don't don't let this. I'm not
going to which topics at this point unless you make me.
I need a few more suggestions, serious or otherwise about
your seal what the Massachusetts flag should be. I'm serious.
This is kind of disgraceful that after four years and
(29:19):
two commissions, we're still struggling over this. And I understand
it's a serious subject, and it's a serious topic, and
I understand that there are people, as you've heard tonight,
who take this quite seriously. And I think that Laurie
from Melrose, with the suggestion of the min and man statue,
that's a good suggestion, to be really honest with you.
(29:42):
I think that others have made suggestions that might not
have been as serious. But let's let's keep rolling here.
If Jordan's ready, we're going to go to Jordan and Framingham. Jordan,
you're on quicker than you ever could have imagined today. Jordan,
How are you welcome?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Dan?
Speaker 8 (30:02):
How are you go?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Ahead? Tell us about a proposal that you might have
for a Massachusetts flag seal and maybe even a motto.
Speaker 8 (30:12):
All I have to say is I think it's trivial
discussion and that we have a lot better things to
spend our time and money on.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Well, we do have to have a flag, uh and
and and if if we don't, if we're not careful,
this group might take the flag and hijack the flag.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
I think some of.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
The oh, I couldn't understand them, I mean subtlety was
like beyond me. Uh you know, I mean the American
flag that we all understand clearly. You know, the fifty states.
The flag has remained the same for a long long time.
(30:56):
And when states were added, the number of stars were
we're you know, recalculated and repositioned and so and the
and the thirteen stripes represent the colonies and all of that,
and the red, white, and blue. We did a great
job on our flag. I hope we can do something
similar here in Massachusetts. I was kind of having fun
(31:17):
with it when I talk about using the head of
a seal. But the more I thought about it, I
convinced myself maybe maybe that would be something that everyone
could agree upon. There's nothing everyone will agree upon. That's
what I've concluded, right, Jordan. I appreciate you taking the
(31:39):
time and bringing a note of sobriety to the to
the have you called before?
Speaker 5 (31:43):
This is your first call I've called before.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
We'll do me a favorite call more often. I enjoyed
the conversation. I thank you much, thanks so much, have
a good night you too. All right, so we're going
to take a break, which means Linda in Weymouth will
be next.
Speaker 10 (32:00):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
And if you're out there listening again, we're trying to
have a little bit of fun. What we try to
do on night side sometimes is lighten up just a
little bit. Uh. At the same time, there have been
some people who have suggested really serious ideas which there
will be something chosen I assume maybe to be the
(32:20):
third commission that they appoint. I think it's disgraceful that
they've spent this amount of money already and they have
many able to come up with something decent for either
a flag, a seal or a motto. I mean, come
on six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty or
six one, seven, nine, three thirty. Got one more break
(32:41):
and then we head to the finish line. Let's finish strongly.
I'd invite you to call okay doing a four hour
show here and coming up with topics that people can
be interested in. It can be uh, it can be challenging. Uh.
And if you're sitting out there tonight and you don't
like this, conversation, or you don't like this topic, I
(33:03):
would say, feel free to suggest others. Okay, it's as
simple as that, I'm not going to do the same
show every night. I'm not going to do four hours
of politics and beat you over the head with politics.
Not going to do that. Simple as that. I want
as many people as possible to feel free to call
this program and to participate in this program, and to
listen to this program. And I think we've had some
(33:25):
really creative and entertaining calls tonight from different perspectives, and
people are out there thinking, and that is what I
think is the key to the success of Nightside. So
if you'd like to join this conversation as we head
towards the exit six one, seven, two, five, four to
ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty,
I'll remind you the tomorrow night. Rick Edelman will join
(33:47):
us at ten o'clock. A great financial planning. You've heard
him on the air for so many years, and we
will we'll talk about He has a new book that
I think a lot of people, particularly those of you
who have teenage or people who are thinking about going
off to college. The book is entitled The truth about college.
Lots of facts and figures that I think might surprise you.
(34:08):
Back on Nightside right after.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
This, it's Night Side with Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
All right, let's go back. We'll wrap this one up tonight.
Let me go to Linda in Weymouth. Linda, next on Nightside,
go right ahead, Hi, I just caught you.
Speaker 10 (34:27):
I'm talking about this and I had dozedp sorry and
maybe that's okay.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
It's the end of a long day, Linda. Sometimes I
feel like dozing off to got a Well, give me a.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
Call home, run out, and we leave you. Anyways, maybe
at the end, if you need a little more information
for the episode, you can recap what some of the
good ones were. My suggestion, I have to and I
need help. On the second one, they is a seal
(35:04):
riding a humpback whale.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Okay, I don't think of humpback whales as being a
native to our area. But that's fine. That's again someone
that suggested to me a seal with I suggested a seal,
and they said, added sharks fin in the background. But
that's right, a seal riding a humpback whale. Okay, what
else you got?
Speaker 10 (35:28):
We get a lot of we get that get misdirected
and lost at Cape Cod because of the the book
that interrupts it travels south anyways. The other one was, now,
this is.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
The one you need help with, so everybody should pay
closer attention.
Speaker 10 (35:51):
Go ahead, a seal and we are supposed to be
took to democracy and democratic and republican, but I know
we don't have it really balanced. Maybe and also a
(36:14):
peace sign piece.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Oh okay, you never know.
Speaker 10 (36:22):
Who eats and needs the seals.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Who eats the seals? Is that your question? Yes, well,
sharks enjoy having seals over for dinner.
Speaker 10 (36:34):
Then maybe that's why she had put put that out. Yes,
the Republicans or the Democrats is the sharks and the Republicans,
the seals and the sharks.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
The funny thing about it is the largest group of
voters in Massachusetts are neither Republicans nor Democrats. They're unenrolled. Myself, independent,
Gell like me too. That's why we're very simil We
see things in similar fashion. Linda, thank you for your suggestions.
I'll write them down here and we'll consider all of
(37:07):
them and maybe we'll have a vote amongst our listeners
next week. Thanks for the calling. For the call. And
by the way, stay warm. Is going to get really
cold the next couple of days, particularly over I tried to.
Speaker 10 (37:17):
Reach out to my sister Pray because I got snap
Dad with some ideas for a winter covering that they
had various businesses for your windshield to keep the snow off. Yeah,
it also was good for the frost.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
If it's good for the snow, it has to be good.
They say. What's good for the goose is good for
the gander. What's good for the snow is good for
the frost. We've just made up another one. Thanks Linda,
we'll talk soon. Have a great night. Let me go
to Bob Kingston. Bob, you may wrap the hour for us.
Go right ahead, all.
Speaker 8 (37:53):
Right, Don Philippin is a beautiful statue Ambassis lout sawyet
up on a hill, super physically fit, looking down at
the Mayflower, which I would have the Mayflower a side
view of it, you know, yeah, I get the iconic
shape of that. That would be serious. Not so serious
would be the blue bikes corral at the bottom of
(38:15):
Abe right at them Cen O'Brien bridge. There's a double
wide bike. Oh that the bikes going open to the
child rivers. That would be my less serious.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Oh, I'm with you. The the blue bikes are everywhere.
Someone is making a lot of money on the blue bikes,
to be honest with you.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
Down to Rhode Island, they're red. They do the same
thing in Rhode Island and Providence, Rhode Island. You get
off the station there and you come up and they
got a corral right there with red bikes. The same
thing on leave red.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
You know, it's unbelievable. Mean, whoever come up with that idea,
It really works. I always assumed that here in Boston,
with the blue bikes are everywhere, that some poor family
like from Iowa would be at the top of Beacon
Hill and not really knowing how to ride a blue
bike and just couldn't stop.
Speaker 8 (39:06):
But well, I have a tallage for you. Stand on
the day buga overpass in the middle, and the girls
who barely wivly wobbly wily wobble over the overpass. They
have to make a handpin turn on either rent to
get down off it come up onto it.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, I know exactly, I know exactly what you mean. Obviously,
that's right over in in memory of David Mugar. It
leads right to the to the shell where we celebrate the.
Speaker 8 (39:40):
The kids a planet of the sandbox on the on
the hatch heel side. You're a poet of the spring time.
So by the way, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Bring in summer fall. That's great. January February. I'm not
going over there though. When I was younger, I lived
on the river, and I used to run the river
every day, even in the at the dinner I lived.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
I worked on Newbery Street, and I was there coming
into Newbery in five in the morning, and I would
go over there and do a little road work, you know,
to kill time. I had an hour to kill before
my place opened.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Up, so I would hit it. I had. I had
a great root of the river, four miles and uh
and I could do it in.
Speaker 8 (40:23):
Twenty to go all the way up to waters out
or that far.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
No I did that once I did. I did a
twenty minute route one day, longest they ever rin. But
most days I ran four miles and I could run
it like clockwork, finish in twenty eight minutes. I couldn't.
I couldn't do I couldn't do that today. If you
paid me.
Speaker 8 (40:44):
Twenty eight minutes, that's awesome. I really, really, I.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Would do ten k's in less than forty two so
that oh my god, yeah, no, no, no, I I
was in pretty good shape back in the day. Hey,
probably a second little of bragg than my right.
Speaker 8 (40:58):
I saw a picture of you at the thirty fifth
anniversary of that station. You were way over, I think
on the right side. As you're looking down at the picture,
I'm thinking that's you.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I think it was me. Yes, yeah, I'm still on
the right side too. By the way, Thanks Bob, I
gotta run, Buddy, gotta go. Thank you much. We're done
for the night. Rob Brooks, great job. Mariita, thank you
very much. All the callers, thank you. The callers are
so important. The listeners are important, but the callers are
the most important. All dogs, all cats, all pets go
to heaven. That's what my pell Charlie Ray Is, who
passed fifteen years ago in February. That's all your pets
(41:33):
are past. They loved you and you love them. I
do believe you'll see the begin We'll see again tomorrow night.
Rick Edelman at ten o'clock and Charity Combine get your
entrance in. We'd love to have you on the show.
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