November 6, 2025 • 38 mins
We discussed what one local cyclist and journalist in Boston calls, the now, “congested mass of mechanization” in Boston’s bike lanes. While Mayor Wu and the city of Boston created space for cyclists in Boston, that space seems to be overcrowded with motorized vehicles like e-bikes, mopeds, and electric shooters (many of which are used for food delivery). Paul Basken is a local writer, journalist and cyclist who believes Boston’s bike lanes should be reserved for cyclists not motorized vehicles, as a matter of safety. Paul joined us to discuss this!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WVS Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, I think all of you know I am not
a big fan of bike lanes in Boston. I really
try not to hide that.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
In September, we had a very spirited conversation with Paul Baskin.
He's a writer and journalist living in Winthrop. He wrote
a very compelling op ed peace in the September twenty
second edition of The Boston Globe called It was titled
Move Motorized Vehicles out of Bike Lanes. And I thought
(00:38):
that that conversation might commend itself to a longer discourse,
and I hope that Paul will be able to stick
with us for the next fifty five minutes or so
and discuss this issue. First of all, Paul, welcome back
Tonight's side. Thank you for coming back. How are you tonight?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Thank you, Dan, I'm glad to be here. Thanks for
doing it.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Absolutely, I think it's a great topic, I really do.
I think you and I kind of are looking at
it very differently, But I think we can have a
civil conversation. And I know that a lot of my
listeners probably are equally divided on the issue. Let me
just try to frame the issue and if you agree
(01:23):
with me, great, If you don't, then you can frame it.
I'll give you the bottom of the first inning here.
Your article essentially was entitled moved motorized vehicles out of
bike lanes, and so it seems to me that you
would like to keep just regular bicycles, pedaled powered bicycles
in bike lanes and have the other products, as you
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refer to, the e bikes and other various classes of
smaller transportation modes not in the bike lanes. I can understand,
and you're you're feeling on that. But what are we
going to do with these little mini scooters and these
e bikes and all these different categories that they come
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up with. They have these these uh they look like
they could be pedal power, not pedal power, they could
be foot powered. But they just sit up and they're
they're motorized there and they they they look like they're
just standing on a little slim piece of steel and
they drive along. What are we going to do with
all of them if they're not in the bike lanes.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
It's it's it's all great questions, and there's so many
other questions that come from that as well. And you're right,
there's a there is a bewildering array of devices you
see coming in bike lanes these days, and it's a
tough question what to deal with it. I think there's
so many levels on which you could ask this question.
But I think we maybe what I was trying to say,
and again it was a very it was a relatively
brief article, I think maybe eight hundred words or though
so not you know, not the space to really get
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into it. But it's really is a product of car
centric design that are that our communities are built primarily
for even though cars and your drivers don't pay the cost.
And that's just a sort of a fundamental market failure.
I mean, I think a lot of people would agree
that in most things in life, they would like to,
you know, all things being equal, they would like to
have market based decisions about how people do things. Well,
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you know, if whatever's most you know, what's more popular,
what people are willing to pay for that, which should
be you know, that should be given a lot of
difference in consideration.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I know that if we have I know that in
your artical poll, and I was going to ask you
about this later. So since you brought it up. You
said that in Massachusetts alone, every family is forced to
pay an astounding average of fourteen thousand dollars every year
to subsidize private car use. That's according to a Harvard
study from twenty nineteen. First of all, I'm forced every
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year to pay income tax, but I don't look at
it like that. I look at it as sort of
the social contract that I have to pay for lots
of things will which I don't use. But I was curious,
how did the Harvard study come up with the figure
of fourteen thousand dollars. I'm sure you've looked at the study.
What are they base that?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Well, it's computed. But just answer to that point about
income taxes in general, Yeah, you are if you want
to use the word force to pay for things. But
generally the idea would be that what you're paying for
your for your taxes is public public benefits, public dollars
for public benefits. So the idea, and obviously it doesn't
always work that way, but the idea of what you're
going for is to have public spending on public benefits.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, I use it. I use the word social contract,
and I know that there are people who choose to
live in downtown Boston and they only time they use
a car would be if they take a cab to
the airport or an uber to the airport. I get that.
And then there are people who but where did the
how did they? How did this Harvard study? You know,
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if it's a family of four, the average family four right,
paying fourteen thousands. The phrase to subsidize private car use
I don't understand that. I mean, yeah, and I'm serious.
I think this is an important point you're making. I
want to give you a chance to amplify on it.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Sure, and it just is. And some people don't like
the word subsidy because it's it's somebody has a particular
economic meaning. But the term what it means is essentially
cost that you as a family incur, regardless of whether
it is so there's some of them are very complicated
to tease out. For instance, maybe the cost of people
being dying and being killed, the cost of of the
pollution that you have to breathe, the cost the cost
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of the noise. Matter of fact, you just had on your
on your show a little while ago. I'm just moments ago,
somebody talking about stress. Well, stress is very much an
effect of cars, the noise that the noise that they produce,
the smells, the that kind. So there's those are those
are more difficult.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So that's how they that's how they get to the
figure of fourteenth every Well, I'm not done.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yet, but I'm just I'm gonna trying to give you
some of the more complicated ones. Some of the more
simpler ones are the fact that you don't know if
you know what it costs to have a parking permit
in in Boston if you want to if you have
a in Boston and you want to park your car
on a public street, that the that the taxpayer paid
for and cleans and plows and rebuilds. What do you
know what the cost is for that for a for
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a person in Boston. Go ahead, it's the answer. The
answer is zero. The answer is zero. In the town
I live in, the answer is five dollars. Now, these
are not obviously, I mean, I think you can clearly
see that's not reflecting the actual cost. That's a giveaway
because I thought.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I thought, I thought, I thought your question, Paul, was
what was the actual cost of people who live in Boston?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And you know part one of the benefits I guess
of living in Boston if you are a resident, or
if you're a renter or I believe, and I haven't
lived in Boston in a while, if you can prove
that you live in the back bay, you can get
a back bay parking permit. Because what are you supposed
to do with your car? I mean, leave it?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
If we don't have to have a car, No, that's
the well, that's the point, you don't. I'm that car
is a choice. So it's so you don't have to
have a car.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You could a choice. It's not a choice. If let
us say it's always a choice. There's a million choices
in the world. But a lot of people in Boston
work twenty miles from Boston. They work out a route
one twenty eighth. They're not going to ride your bike
out every day. I mean, let's you know. I mean,
that's that's sort of weighing the scales here. A little
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bit I get from your I get from your set,
from your piece, And I want to be honest, and
I'll give you every opportunity I get. In your world,
there would be no cars in your ideal world, do
you know?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
No, that's that's No, that's not true. That's that's definitely
not true.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Can I removel the piece that you wrote?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Sure, academic studies, to be fair, do suggest that motorized
bikes will get to the motorized bikes in a second
reduced car use, and that should be encouraged. Okay, nice
concession by you. There So many of our major societal
problems are worsened by heavy governmental subsidient subsidiation, subsidization of
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private motoring. There is an abress, there is the obscene
roadway carnage. Forty thousand people die every year, and heavy
car use is tied to cancers and other diseases, chronic
noise and anxiety, and intensified societal division and anger. In
Massachusetts alone, every family is puced and this is what
I quoted from before, forced to pay an astounding average
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of fourteen thousand dollars every year to subsidize private car use,
regardless of whether or how much the family actually drives,
according to a twenty nineteen Harvard study. I read that
paragraph and I say to myself, the person who wrote
this obviously doesn't like cars. You don't own a car,
I assume, right.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
No, Actually, I actually do no, I do because I
have to live. I don't have to. I don't have to,
but I don't have to. But I mean, it's it's
the system that you do.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
You have any sort of internal conflict because of that
or no, I.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Mean all the time. I mean, I would wish. I
wish the system wasn't set up that way. It's a
very expensive thing to have. I do know. He saw
it was just an article in the Globe of days
ago to talk to about. I think the cost being
like fifty thousand dollars for cars these days. I mean,
it's an astounding amount of money that we're basically expecting
everybody to pay just everyone's going in their lives.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I've never spent fifty thousand in a car, but but
there they are a luxury cars some people buy cars
for that are safe, safer cars. I used to be
a big voval believer because I felt they were studies
that said that vovos were very safe. And my wife
was she was up for new cars, she was pregnant.
And I don't like vovals anymore. To be really honest
(09:32):
with you, I think that they have they're not as
good as they used to be. But that's a you know,
a personal choice that that people can make. Let's do this.
Let me I got to take a pause for commercial.
When we come back, I want to get us back
to what we're going to do with these scooters and
motor bikes and e bikes. There are so many, you know,
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the people who were running around with the food delivery people,
the people who were darting in and on track. We
might have some areas of agreement on that, actually, so
let's hope. So my guest is Paul Baskin. He is
a writer and a journalist.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
He lives outside of the city in Winthrop. Uh. And
he does own a car, which which surprises me. But
that's that's he has every right to do that. And
I did not ask that question to in any way
shape perform embarrass you. And you should not be embarrassed
by that that question. The article. The article is a
really good article. It's written. It's called more motorized vehicles,
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Move motorized vehicles out of bike lanes. Well, take a
quick break if you'd like to join the conversation. And
again I ask you, whatever position you take, I ask
you to be polite and be civil with my guests, because,
as I've always explained, a guest of my show is
like a guest in my home, and we can have
a civil conversation about this if you want to get
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your thoughts in six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty,
six one seven nine. I have to concede bike lanes
aren't going away, particularly in view of how this last
mayoral election came out. I think there's going to be
more and more bike lanes, and maybe we may get
to the point where it's just Carl lanes if that,
but we'll talk about some of that, and let's have
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a little bit of fun with this as well, serious
topic we can talk about and still have fun. Back
on night Side six one seven, two, five, four thirty
or six one seven, nine three one thirty will come
on right back on night Side with Paul Baskin.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
My guest is Paul Baskin. He's a writer and journalist
living in Winthrop, and Paul, I want to get to
the to the to the to the meat of your article.
You essentially want to make sure that the bike lanes
that have been constructed around Boston are maintained for people
who are riding bicycles, not from motorized vehicles. Go ahead
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and make your case is what is wrong with having
these smaller motorized vehicles in bike lanes? And if they're
not in bike lanes, what do we do with them? Right?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Well, again, the reason I started off by talking about
car centric design was because that gets to the question
of why why so much of the road is set
aside for one type of one type of conveyance essentially,
And that's and that gets to what that gets the problem.
The problem is that because you know, basically, if you
look at a road around here, pretty much every lane
is set aside for cars. You might get a bike
lane here and there, and then then that's sort of
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what's going on now is we're saying that everything other
than a car goes in the bike lane, and that's
not really that's not really a reflection of public demand,
of of of public you know, of free free choice essentially.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So miss you said that, you said that that there
are a few the bike lanes, a few.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
And far between, but they are, yeah, really they are.
And then sure there's most roads don't even most roads
don't have one. Most worlds don't have one and.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Would Yeah, okay, so therefore, just so we know where
you're coming from, you'd like to see a bike lane, uh,
on every major road?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I assume, well, what so what doesn't not as much
what I would like to see? I guess I think
the questions what does the public want to see? And
I don't think we know that because right now we
are we are basically designing.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Tonight from some of my listeners.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
But well, because they're in a system, because they're living
in a world in which which the world just set
aside almost entirely for cars, and therefore it'd be sort
of like if you went into a store and the
only choice of ice cream was vential ice cream, and
everybody bought vital ice cream, You'd say, well, people must
really like vnyal ice cream. Well, it's because it's the
only choice you're giving them. Then that's what they're buying.
And that's essentially what our road look like, which is that, yes,
you would say, all your listeners or all the people
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would say, they want Carlan, let me ask this.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Choice bike lanes for I'm going to say, you know,
going back to Mayor Menino, my dear friend who I
disagreed with on this issue, but he believed in bike lanes.
What percentage of people do you think on an average
day in Boston, And I know this is always a
tough question because no one has done a study of this,
what percentage of people do you think use their bike
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to get a rind with their business? So let's just
say within grater within greater Boston.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
And I think there is data on that, and I'm sorry, yeah,
I think there is data on that. I don't have it.
But the amstra obviously is very low, and I mean
relatively speaking to cars. And the reason is because if
you walk outside and look at the look at the
road out there, it's almost all designed for cars. So therefore,
and you would say there's been bike lanes since mayor Menino,
but yes, there really hasn't been a bike network. There
still isn't one. I mean, if you if you go
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I go out on a bike and in effect, you know,
that's how I get around a lot, and you find
very quickly that there's not a coherent network. You could
be biking down, you know, a road for a couple
of blocks and then suddenly the bike lane goes away
or suddenly it's on the other side of the road
and you have to cross dangerous traffic to get or
suddenly there's a as a light pull in the level.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Then when you come into Boston, and again, do you
use the tea to come in? And do you ride
a bike?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I do all these things. I do. I sometimes ride
the tea, and sometimes I take the I take a
bike on the ferry. Sometimes I bike around. Well, that's
one thing that will point out to you too, is
coming from where I am, there's a there's two tunnels,
and there's a bridge, and none of them have have
capacity for bikes on them. I mean, it's just it's
full of it. I mean, if you bike around, you're talking, and.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Again I'm just trying to I'm just you're going very
fast and I don't mean to interrupt. I just want
to make sure that you're making your points so people
understand them. You'd like to see bike lanes on the
bridges in and out to Boston as well as the tunnels.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I'd like to see free choice. I think maybe what
we should The way to think of it is, yes,
you're asking what I personally will like. Yes, I think
to the democracy that should be a democracy, and we
should let people freely choose. What we're not doing is
letting people freely choose. We right now have the government
imposing on everybody one particular way of getting around, and
then we're then you're saying, well, that's because everybody wants
to get around that way, and it's just I'm not trying.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I'm not trying to play that game with you. I'm
taking your arguments quite seriously. What I'm saying is that
if if you were to put a bike lane, and
I don't know if you'd have to put two, say
through the O'Neal tunnel, through the Sumner or Callahan or
over the zac And Bridge, you're in your opinion that
would be value. That would be a good addition to
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our traffic situation here in Boston because I assume some
you believe that more and more and more people would
use those bike lanes and they would not be in cars.
I think that's what you're what you're what you're suggesting,
which is fine.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, I think there's plenty of evidence that to that effect.
When that's done in another places, that's exactly what happens.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Okay, So now you know Boston if we did put
a bike lane in the you know, the major bridges.
We put a bike lane on ninety three and ninety five,
all the different roadways so that you could have a
continuous lane to safely you take your bike from Winthrop
into Boston, tunnels everywhere. Yeah, what do you think that
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would do to traffic congestion in Boston? And do you
think that enough people you know, would use the bicycles
twelve months a year so that the there would still
be some people I guess who would cling to the
to the automobiles. I would be one of those.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
So I think what you're a puzzle that I had
a car, and I think that's that's maybe one of
the misunderstanding is that it's like a lot of things,
you don't do everything the same way all the time.
You're certain some cases you might take those subway, some
case you might drive something.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Might I asked you, Yeah, I asked you. Did you
take the tea? So come to me question if you could.
And that is, let's assume that what you're proposing, which
is reasonable. You're you're a very great advocate. You're the
best advocate I've ever dealt with on this issue. So
let's assume we got We got bike lanes in the tunnels,
we got bike lanes on the Zacom, we got bike
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lanes on ninety three, we got bike lanes and and
and obviously, because cars are going faster on a lot
of those roads, if we're going to have bike lanes,
I want to see protection there. I don't want to
just draw a line down the road and give people,
you know, three feet to ride a bicycle. That that
would be suicidal. So we we put those bike lanes.
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My view is that very few people, very few people
would continue to use bicycles, and all we would do
is we would choke Boston even more. That's my view.
You don't agree with that, so tell me what you
would be like.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I think science shows that the research into the question
shows is something doing to induce demand, which is essentially
that if you add more lanes to car lanes, you
just get more cars. And if you do, some people
find other ways of getting around, especially when you give
them alternatives. You made a comment that that people can't
bike you around, Well, people can't drive you around either
around except the fact that we plow the roads. We
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pile roads for them to help them do it, So
the same thing could apply for cars, and people also
also can't drive life around. You can't drive until you're sixteen, roughly,
and you can't drive if you're if you're you know
a lot of people who are older or people who have,
you know, in some kind of physical issues, so or
you can't afford a car, and there's it's a very
expensive way to get around. So so the argument is
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made that bicycles aren't realistic because you can't ride them around.
But cars, for that same argument, aren't realistic either because
you can't use them life round. So this is not
like one is a clear argument other.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Go ahead, fair enough, so, but but I'm just asking you,
and again I got to get to a to a
news break here, and I'd like to just not leave
this question hanging. Let's assume that we went all in
and as we've described it, and as you've described it,
and as I've described it, where we have some bike
lanes in the tunnels and on the bridges and on
the major roadways. And let's assume we do that experiment
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for five years, what percentage of people coming into Boston.
Obviously right now it's a very small percentage, and you said,
it's a small percentage because you know you don't have linkage.
But if we had the linkage that you that you
would hope for, right, what percentage on an average day,
and even pick a nice day. Let's let's leave the
weather conditions all out of it. Where do you think
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would be five years from now? Do you think that
ten percent of the people coming into Boston will be
riding by or do you think would be substantially higher
or lower?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
So we don't have to guess at this. We can
look at other countries that have done this and we
can see what goes on and will what goes on
is that very large percentages of them, I mean majorities
in some cases of the people get around by by bike.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
If you shine it up that way in China would
be an exist.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
China not just no, no, I'm try China is going
away from that probably as much as anything. I mean, again,
I'm not an expert in this, but I know I
think that what I'm thinking maybe as a place like
the Netherlands, which which you can see examples there where
there's communities where they where they where they have networks
of bikes matter. You can go up to Montreal, you know,
have to go that far. You go up to Montreal
and see where that goes on where.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
They have I was in Montreal in May. I didn't
see any evidence of that to be realised. I was.
I was in Netherlands a few years ago, and you're correct.
In Netherlands there were a lot of people on bikes.
There's no question about that. But that. But you know
how they say, all real estate is unique, all cities
are unique. Netherlaniness is a city in Europe. It might
it might work again, just give me your percentage five
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years out. I think it would be less than five
percent of the people who would be relying on bikes.
You think it would be higher. I'm just curious how
far I am.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
So just so just for I don't I'm not sure
why that matters what my guests would because it's I
have no basis on forguessing, except for the fact that
you're not your your suggesting, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with.
But that's not the question because it would take a lot.
It might take longer than that. For I think maybe
in some of these countries that maybe have taken you know,
twenty or thirty years for people to really shift on.
And one thing, and one thing you've got to please
keep in mind too, is that what you're talking about
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is the way cities are built right now. And so
these built right now are spread apart, artificially, spread apart
by cars, so the distances that people need to bike
or walk, and that gets into motorized vehicles too. Why
we're having them right now is because we've we've we've
built our cities and our communities to car side dimensions,
and that's what's creating the pressure for these motorized vehicles
that you that that this show is you know, primarily about,
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which is that you know, people, people are reaching for
these motorized vehicles because of the fact that we still
have communities built these dimensions that are made for cars.
And with time, with time, you would see that that
would start. People would start building in different ways, in
more affordable ways. The problem is that living spread out
like that, it's just a much more unaffordable way to live.
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That's why we have communities in this country that are
going bankrupt and people too.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, we have, we had in the nineteen fifties. The
eyes are our administration invested in interstate commerce and people
can drive from from here to New York in, you know,
on a good day, four four and a half hours.
I guess we can take a little longer to bike.
Let's do this. Let's just I got to go. I'm
five minutes later for the news. I've enjoyed this conversation immensely.
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I think that, and it's a good conversation to have.
By the way, I think that the bicyclist who whose
interest I think you represent very effectively have broken down
barriers and have established bike lanes, and now there are
others coming behind in these e bikes and these small scooters.
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That's what we will talk about. I want to go
to phone calls. I have callers already. We'll get to them.
I'll remind them to be polite and be conversational, ask questions,
and we'll be back right after this news break. At
the bottom of the air, my name is Dan Ray.
This is Nightside. I'm enjoying it. I hope you are
as well. A little bit later on tonight, we will
talk with Bill Brett at ten o'clock about a couple
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of his new books, one dealing with the Marine Corps,
the other dealing with veterans who live in the Greater
Boston area. And then we will talk with the general
manager of Centerfolds. That is an emporium of interpretive dance.
Some people refer to them as strip clubs. We did
an hour on Monday night. There's concern in Chinatown about
these the move, the physical move of this club from
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a kind of a side out of the way area
of the Grain Street on to Stewart Street. We'll deal
with that during the ten o'clock hour. My guest right
now Paul Basking, a writer and journalist living in Winthrop.
He obviously feels as deeply about this issue as I do.
We've kept at civil, and I think I know we
can keep it civil for the balance of the album.
We'll be back balance the hour back on Nightside right
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after this, It's night Time with Dan Ray.
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Back to the calls. My guest is Paul Baskin, a
writer and journal and he wrote a piece in The
Boston Globe and late September called move motorized Vehicles out,
e Bikes and scooters out of the bike lanes. Diana
in Malden, Diana, you are next on Night Side. I
got pack lines, quick comment or question, whichever you prefer.
Go right ahead, Diana.
Speaker 9 (29:18):
Good evening, Dan, thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
You're welcome.
Speaker 9 (29:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Paul.
Speaker 9 (29:23):
Just wanted to make a different type of a question for.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
You from me.
Speaker 10 (29:27):
So I respect bike lanes and respect bikes and any
type of motorized vehicles. However, I wanted to I've always wondered,
why is it that if we're.
Speaker 9 (29:38):
In the if we are a motorized vehicle moving vehicle,
and we have to pay for insurance and stuff like that.
How come bicycles and other types of mopits or whatever
aren't required to pay some kind of insurance for protection
like we're doing on the road if we're sharing the
road with everyone else that you know has to be
(29:58):
licensed and registered. And you know, that's my question. I
always wonder about that.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Well. I think part of the answer is that cars
kill about forty thousand people a year in the in
the United States, and bikes kill I think zero or
maybe one if it happens. So, and if you're talking
about motorized motorized vehicles motorized bikes, there's a lot of
actors active debate as to whether they should actually have
some kind of insurance since they are motorized vehicles. That's
that's part of the debate that that the end has
(30:26):
been talking about here.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, and I also think I also think Diana, and
this is a point Paul and I might agree upon.
In the motorized vehicles, I would say that if you're
taking up road space with bike lanes, you should have
not a lot, but you've got to have some skin
in the game here. In my opinion, and I don't
see where the forty deaths of motorized vehicles. I'm not
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sure that that is still that high. By the way,
I'd have to double check that figure out, but I'll
accept your figure for arguments argument purposes. We also lose
a lot of people in airline crashes, and unfortunately that's
the decision people. Every time I get on an airline,
I'm always convinced, Paul, this is going to be the
one that hits the deck. And we saw that horrific
(31:10):
crash in Louisville. That's part of the society. We could
we could go back to living in caves, I guess,
and get rid of cars and airplanes and and huddle
around bonfires every night.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
But cars, you just look theysics by mile, cars are
more deadly than these other options. You're talking about that,
but they will.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Tell you that, they'll they'll say that air that airplanes
are safer than uh than cars. But when an airplane
goes down, generally there's a lot of folks that go
down with it. Diana, you had a great question. Thank you.
I don't know if you've called before, but please, this
is a busy night, call back anytime.
Speaker 10 (31:44):
Thank you, so much, thank you, thank you, welcome.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Thank you. Let me go next to Arthur and Boston.
Arthur got to be quick for me. My guest is
Paul Basket. Say hi to Paul. What's your comment? A question?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Hello Paul.
Speaker 11 (31:55):
So here's my thing, and I live at Downtown crossing
and drive through this every day when nobody is in
the bike lane. But how about we go back to
the same road and the same rules for everybody. And
bikes also have a headlight and a tail light at night,
so when I'm walking through the crosswalk, they're not running
me over when I'm crosswalking on Tremont Street or weaving
(32:18):
in and out of me when I'm leaving in the
Boston in the morning, trying to get through ninety three
racing up to the light in front of me.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yep, So I think the same rules is good. I mean, well,
we're all sharing the same road. We should have the
same rules. So what you're you're referencing is all the
rules are pretty much built for cars, and then so
people people are doing it with not car based rules.
Speaker 11 (32:40):
No they're not, No, they're not.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I see a lot of bikeycles in the morning.
Speaker 11 (32:44):
At outshakes and and the bicycles are weaving in and
out getting in front of me when I'm heading to
the highway. That's that's not that at all.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
All right, Arthur, you've.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Made your point. I think that you and Paul might
be going around here, but you've made a very uh
you know, interesting interesting point. Paul, give you a quick
final word if you want with Arthur, but I got
a couple more left to work in as well. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I mean, one example of stop lights, stop lights are
built solely for cars. There bicycles have no need for them.
So so when you're talking about the same rules for everybody,
then then.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
You would presumably bicyclists have have a need for red
lights at intersections. I mean, if you want to blow
through a red light, good good.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Luck because of a car. But but I'm talking about
in terms of in terms of in terms of what
the bike. The need that the bike creates is not
one for a for a red light. That's that's the
device that's solely for the.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Well, if we got yeah in our car in the
perfect world for you, Paul, and there are no cars
in the road, you just have to make sure you
don't get sides wiped by another bike. But that's not reality. Hey, Arthur,
thank you for your call. Appreciate it very much. Let
me go to Tom in North Carolina, and we actually
do have listeners all over the country. Paul, go ahead, Tom,
you're next with Paul Basking go right ahead.
Speaker 12 (33:55):
Yeah, this is Tom. I'm seventy two, retired frequent listener
and a second time caller, right and I've bicycled in
New Jersey, North Carolina, Colorado, Switzerland, and the Netherlands, and
I would love to get you Dan and you Paul
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together to go to the Netherlands and a bicycle for
four or five days, all kinds of weather. The first
time I ever went there, I was on a rented bike.
And then the first day I rode in the rain
in November comfortably on bike trails with sick what it
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called synchronized stoplights for bike trails so that you could
ride safely through the traffic, and did fifty eight miles
that first day with no problem at all. And I'll
just say, have Paul, have you have you been to
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the Netherlands. Have you investigated how the Netherlands got to
where they are, because I know it.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Wasn't by the way, Tom, so I agree. And by
the way, thank you for calling, because this is a
call that I think fundamentally supports Paul's position ahead.
Speaker 12 (35:17):
Damn, have you ridden the bike trails in the Nean?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
No? I have not, but I I have stood and
watched people ride bikes in the Netherlands, so I I
understand it's very different. But that's okay. I want to
get a quick.
Speaker 12 (35:30):
Comment, talk a video on line of it.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, I'll do that. I'll do that. Give give Paul
a quick Paul, if you can be quick. I got
one other caller I'd like to try to sneak in
as well.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Well, you can move on. I take a point and
we can get time. Let's move on.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Fure enough, okay, Tom, thank you for the call. Stay
safe out there, my friend to keep calling night side.
Thank you. Let me go. We're gonna wrap it up
here with Phil in Boston. Phil, I only got a
minute for you. You're with call basket.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Ask the question, what's this ultimate goal?
Speaker 13 (36:01):
And I suspect this no vehicles out there?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Okay, that's hold on, that's a great question. Is your
ultimate goal no cars in the roads?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
No question, No, not at all. You're obstruct your first
caller made the point that he comes from Hanson and
drives up for work reasons. He brings his vehicle because
it's for work. The people blocking him or the people
driving their cars up there just to drive them up
and put them in parking rodgers. And then working in office,
that's who's blocking him from getting in.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And people do do they do they relocate?
Speaker 3 (36:32):
No, they continue, They would have they would have a
train service. And that gets the up second point he
talked about working on the Big Dig. The Big Gig
is a great example of of misplaced priorities. We've dug
that ton of underneath downtown Boston and filled it with cars,
and we did not put the space in it for
the train to go from North Station to the South.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
When when the Big Dig is completed, traffic is going
to be absolutely perfect. That's what that's what they're telling us. Yeah,
I wanted to end on the juckle. Phil, Great question,
great question.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
It's almost a cult.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
Well.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
I was surrounded one day by cow Abor ten years ago,
a circle of bicycles, bicycles Coso Goso, go Gozo bicycle.
Speaker 13 (37:13):
That was getting very violent. Like I think it's the
pointer is is that they drive I drive a truck
so they wouldn't have their little bikeis if I wasn't
delivering the bikes on Phil, fill your cud late.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
I got you in, but they gotta let you go.
Thank you, my friend. Talk to you soon, call again, Paul.
You you're great sport. I thank you. Is there some
sort of group you want to plug or anything? Uh,
And we'll do this again if you'd like. I'd love
to do this.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I mean, I mean, I like Boston Cyclic Union and
Math Bike. Although they don't agree me with me on
some of the stuff too, but but I think they
they're doing it. They're both doing a very nice job
for that, you know, for in a positive direction, and
I'm git grateful for them.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Well, thanks, thanks for joining us tonight. It was fun
and maybe we'll do it again as we we can
do it some night when the blue this was going
on and we can really get people riled up. Thanks Paul.
I appreciate it very much. I enjoyed that.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Thanks, have a great night on the Here comes the
ten o'clock news. We got a couple of interesting guests
coming up in ten
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WVS Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, I think all of you know I am not
a big fan of bike lanes in Boston. I really
try not to hide that.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
In September, we had a very spirited conversation with Paul Baskin.
He's a writer and journalist living in Winthrop. He wrote
a very compelling op ed peace in the September twenty
second edition of The Boston Globe called It was titled
Move Motorized Vehicles out of Bike Lanes. And I thought
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that that conversation might commend itself to a longer discourse,
and I hope that Paul will be able to stick
with us for the next fifty five minutes or so
and discuss this issue. First of all, Paul, welcome back
Tonight's side. Thank you for coming back. How are you tonight?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Thank you, Dan, I'm glad to be here. Thanks for
doing it.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Absolutely, I think it's a great topic, I really do.
I think you and I kind of are looking at
it very differently, But I think we can have a
civil conversation. And I know that a lot of my
listeners probably are equally divided on the issue. Let me
just try to frame the issue and if you agree
(01:23):
with me, great, If you don't, then you can frame it.
I'll give you the bottom of the first inning here.
Your article essentially was entitled moved motorized vehicles out of
bike lanes, and so it seems to me that you
would like to keep just regular bicycles, pedaled powered bicycles
in bike lanes and have the other products, as you
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refer to, the e bikes and other various classes of
smaller transportation modes not in the bike lanes. I can understand,
and you're you're feeling on that. But what are we
going to do with these little mini scooters and these
e bikes and all these different categories that they come
(02:10):
up with. They have these these uh they look like
they could be pedal power, not pedal power, they could
be foot powered. But they just sit up and they're
they're motorized there and they they they look like they're
just standing on a little slim piece of steel and
they drive along. What are we going to do with
all of them if they're not in the bike lanes.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
It's it's it's all great questions, and there's so many
other questions that come from that as well. And you're right,
there's a there is a bewildering array of devices you
see coming in bike lanes these days, and it's a
tough question what to deal with it. I think there's
so many levels on which you could ask this question.
But I think we maybe what I was trying to say,
and again it was a very it was a relatively
brief article, I think maybe eight hundred words or though
so not you know, not the space to really get
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into it. But it's really is a product of car
centric design that are that our communities are built primarily
for even though cars and your drivers don't pay the cost.
And that's just a sort of a fundamental market failure.
I mean, I think a lot of people would agree
that in most things in life, they would like to,
you know, all things being equal, they would like to
have market based decisions about how people do things. Well,
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you know, if whatever's most you know, what's more popular,
what people are willing to pay for that, which should
be you know, that should be given a lot of
difference in consideration.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I know that if we have I know that in
your artical poll, and I was going to ask you
about this later. So since you brought it up. You
said that in Massachusetts alone, every family is forced to
pay an astounding average of fourteen thousand dollars every year
to subsidize private car use. That's according to a Harvard
study from twenty nineteen. First of all, I'm forced every
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year to pay income tax, but I don't look at
it like that. I look at it as sort of
the social contract that I have to pay for lots
of things will which I don't use. But I was curious,
how did the Harvard study come up with the figure
of fourteen thousand dollars. I'm sure you've looked at the study.
What are they base that?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Well, it's computed. But just answer to that point about
income taxes in general, Yeah, you are if you want
to use the word force to pay for things. But
generally the idea would be that what you're paying for
your for your taxes is public public benefits, public dollars
for public benefits. So the idea, and obviously it doesn't
always work that way, but the idea of what you're
going for is to have public spending on public benefits.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, I use it. I use the word social contract,
and I know that there are people who choose to
live in downtown Boston and they only time they use
a car would be if they take a cab to
the airport or an uber to the airport. I get that.
And then there are people who but where did the
how did they? How did this Harvard study? You know,
(04:50):
if it's a family of four, the average family four right,
paying fourteen thousands. The phrase to subsidize private car use
I don't understand that. I mean, yeah, and I'm serious.
I think this is an important point you're making. I
want to give you a chance to amplify on it.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Sure, and it just is. And some people don't like
the word subsidy because it's it's somebody has a particular
economic meaning. But the term what it means is essentially
cost that you as a family incur, regardless of whether
it is so there's some of them are very complicated
to tease out. For instance, maybe the cost of people
being dying and being killed, the cost of of the
pollution that you have to breathe, the cost the cost
(05:29):
of the noise. Matter of fact, you just had on your
on your show a little while ago. I'm just moments ago,
somebody talking about stress. Well, stress is very much an
effect of cars, the noise that the noise that they produce,
the smells, the that kind. So there's those are those
are more difficult.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So that's how they that's how they get to the
figure of fourteenth every Well, I'm not done.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yet, but I'm just I'm gonna trying to give you
some of the more complicated ones. Some of the more
simpler ones are the fact that you don't know if
you know what it costs to have a parking permit
in in Boston if you want to if you have
a in Boston and you want to park your car
on a public street, that the that the taxpayer paid
for and cleans and plows and rebuilds. What do you
know what the cost is for that for a for
(06:09):
a person in Boston. Go ahead, it's the answer. The
answer is zero. The answer is zero. In the town
I live in, the answer is five dollars. Now, these
are not obviously, I mean, I think you can clearly
see that's not reflecting the actual cost. That's a giveaway
because I thought.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I thought, I thought, I thought your question, Paul, was
what was the actual cost of people who live in Boston?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
And you know part one of the benefits I guess
of living in Boston if you are a resident, or
if you're a renter or I believe, and I haven't
lived in Boston in a while, if you can prove
that you live in the back bay, you can get
a back bay parking permit. Because what are you supposed
to do with your car? I mean, leave it?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
If we don't have to have a car, No, that's
the well, that's the point, you don't. I'm that car
is a choice. So it's so you don't have to
have a car.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
You could a choice. It's not a choice. If let
us say it's always a choice. There's a million choices
in the world. But a lot of people in Boston
work twenty miles from Boston. They work out a route
one twenty eighth. They're not going to ride your bike
out every day. I mean, let's you know. I mean,
that's that's sort of weighing the scales here. A little
(07:13):
bit I get from your I get from your set,
from your piece, And I want to be honest, and
I'll give you every opportunity I get. In your world,
there would be no cars in your ideal world, do
you know?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
No, that's that's No, that's not true. That's that's definitely
not true.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Can I removel the piece that you wrote?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Sure, academic studies, to be fair, do suggest that motorized
bikes will get to the motorized bikes in a second
reduced car use, and that should be encouraged. Okay, nice
concession by you. There So many of our major societal
problems are worsened by heavy governmental subsidient subsidiation, subsidization of
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private motoring. There is an abress, there is the obscene
roadway carnage. Forty thousand people die every year, and heavy
car use is tied to cancers and other diseases, chronic
noise and anxiety, and intensified societal division and anger. In
Massachusetts alone, every family is puced and this is what
I quoted from before, forced to pay an astounding average
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of fourteen thousand dollars every year to subsidize private car use,
regardless of whether or how much the family actually drives,
according to a twenty nineteen Harvard study. I read that
paragraph and I say to myself, the person who wrote
this obviously doesn't like cars. You don't own a car,
I assume, right.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
No, Actually, I actually do no, I do because I
have to live. I don't have to. I don't have to,
but I don't have to. But I mean, it's it's
the system that you do.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
You have any sort of internal conflict because of that
or no, I.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Mean all the time. I mean, I would wish. I
wish the system wasn't set up that way. It's a
very expensive thing to have. I do know. He saw
it was just an article in the Globe of days
ago to talk to about. I think the cost being
like fifty thousand dollars for cars these days. I mean,
it's an astounding amount of money that we're basically expecting
everybody to pay just everyone's going in their lives.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I've never spent fifty thousand in a car, but but
there they are a luxury cars some people buy cars
for that are safe, safer cars. I used to be
a big voval believer because I felt they were studies
that said that vovos were very safe. And my wife
was she was up for new cars, she was pregnant.
And I don't like vovals anymore. To be really honest
(09:32):
with you, I think that they have they're not as
good as they used to be. But that's a you know,
a personal choice that that people can make. Let's do this.
Let me I got to take a pause for commercial.
When we come back, I want to get us back
to what we're going to do with these scooters and
motor bikes and e bikes. There are so many, you know,
(09:53):
the people who were running around with the food delivery people,
the people who were darting in and on track. We
might have some areas of agreement on that, actually, so
let's hope. So my guest is Paul Baskin. He is
a writer and a journalist.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
He lives outside of the city in Winthrop. Uh. And
he does own a car, which which surprises me. But
that's that's he has every right to do that. And
I did not ask that question to in any way
shape perform embarrass you. And you should not be embarrassed
by that that question. The article. The article is a
really good article. It's written. It's called more motorized vehicles,
(10:32):
Move motorized vehicles out of bike lanes. Well, take a
quick break if you'd like to join the conversation. And
again I ask you, whatever position you take, I ask
you to be polite and be civil with my guests, because,
as I've always explained, a guest of my show is
like a guest in my home, and we can have
a civil conversation about this if you want to get
(10:52):
your thoughts in six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty,
six one seven nine. I have to concede bike lanes
aren't going away, particularly in view of how this last
mayoral election came out. I think there's going to be
more and more bike lanes, and maybe we may get
to the point where it's just Carl lanes if that,
but we'll talk about some of that, and let's have
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a little bit of fun with this as well, serious
topic we can talk about and still have fun. Back
on night Side six one seven, two, five, four thirty
or six one seven, nine three one thirty will come
on right back on night Side with Paul Baskin.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
My guest is Paul Baskin. He's a writer and journalist
living in Winthrop, and Paul, I want to get to
the to the to the to the meat of your article.
You essentially want to make sure that the bike lanes
that have been constructed around Boston are maintained for people
who are riding bicycles, not from motorized vehicles. Go ahead
(11:54):
and make your case is what is wrong with having
these smaller motorized vehicles in bike lanes? And if they're
not in bike lanes, what do we do with them? Right?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Well, again, the reason I started off by talking about
car centric design was because that gets to the question
of why why so much of the road is set
aside for one type of one type of conveyance essentially,
And that's and that gets to what that gets the problem.
The problem is that because you know, basically, if you
look at a road around here, pretty much every lane
is set aside for cars. You might get a bike
lane here and there, and then then that's sort of
(12:28):
what's going on now is we're saying that everything other
than a car goes in the bike lane, and that's
not really that's not really a reflection of public demand,
of of of public you know, of free free choice essentially.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So miss you said that, you said that that there
are a few the bike lanes, a few.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
And far between, but they are, yeah, really they are.
And then sure there's most roads don't even most roads
don't have one. Most worlds don't have one and.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Would Yeah, okay, so therefore, just so we know where
you're coming from, you'd like to see a bike lane, uh,
on every major road?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I assume, well, what so what doesn't not as much
what I would like to see? I guess I think
the questions what does the public want to see? And
I don't think we know that because right now we
are we are basically designing.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Tonight from some of my listeners.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
But well, because they're in a system, because they're living
in a world in which which the world just set
aside almost entirely for cars, and therefore it'd be sort
of like if you went into a store and the
only choice of ice cream was vential ice cream, and
everybody bought vital ice cream, You'd say, well, people must
really like vnyal ice cream. Well, it's because it's the
only choice you're giving them. Then that's what they're buying.
And that's essentially what our road look like, which is that, yes,
you would say, all your listeners or all the people
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would say, they want Carlan, let me ask this.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Choice bike lanes for I'm going to say, you know,
going back to Mayor Menino, my dear friend who I
disagreed with on this issue, but he believed in bike lanes.
What percentage of people do you think on an average
day in Boston, And I know this is always a
tough question because no one has done a study of this,
what percentage of people do you think use their bike
(13:59):
to get a rind with their business? So let's just
say within grater within greater Boston.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
And I think there is data on that, and I'm sorry, yeah,
I think there is data on that. I don't have it.
But the amstra obviously is very low, and I mean
relatively speaking to cars. And the reason is because if
you walk outside and look at the look at the
road out there, it's almost all designed for cars. So therefore,
and you would say there's been bike lanes since mayor Menino,
but yes, there really hasn't been a bike network. There
still isn't one. I mean, if you if you go
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I go out on a bike and in effect, you know,
that's how I get around a lot, and you find
very quickly that there's not a coherent network. You could
be biking down, you know, a road for a couple
of blocks and then suddenly the bike lane goes away
or suddenly it's on the other side of the road
and you have to cross dangerous traffic to get or
suddenly there's a as a light pull in the level.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Then when you come into Boston, and again, do you
use the tea to come in? And do you ride
a bike?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I do all these things. I do. I sometimes ride
the tea, and sometimes I take the I take a
bike on the ferry. Sometimes I bike around. Well, that's
one thing that will point out to you too, is
coming from where I am, there's a there's two tunnels,
and there's a bridge, and none of them have have
capacity for bikes on them. I mean, it's just it's
full of it. I mean, if you bike around, you're talking, and.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Again I'm just trying to I'm just you're going very
fast and I don't mean to interrupt. I just want
to make sure that you're making your points so people
understand them. You'd like to see bike lanes on the
bridges in and out to Boston as well as the tunnels.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I'd like to see free choice. I think maybe what
we should The way to think of it is, yes,
you're asking what I personally will like. Yes, I think
to the democracy that should be a democracy, and we
should let people freely choose. What we're not doing is
letting people freely choose. We right now have the government
imposing on everybody one particular way of getting around, and
then we're then you're saying, well, that's because everybody wants
to get around that way, and it's just I'm not trying.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I'm not trying to play that game with you. I'm
taking your arguments quite seriously. What I'm saying is that
if if you were to put a bike lane, and
I don't know if you'd have to put two, say
through the O'Neal tunnel, through the Sumner or Callahan or
over the zac And Bridge, you're in your opinion that
would be value. That would be a good addition to
(16:05):
our traffic situation here in Boston because I assume some
you believe that more and more and more people would
use those bike lanes and they would not be in cars.
I think that's what you're what you're what you're suggesting,
which is fine.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, I think there's plenty of evidence that to that effect.
When that's done in another places, that's exactly what happens.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Okay, So now you know Boston if we did put
a bike lane in the you know, the major bridges.
We put a bike lane on ninety three and ninety five,
all the different roadways so that you could have a
continuous lane to safely you take your bike from Winthrop
into Boston, tunnels everywhere. Yeah, what do you think that
(16:49):
would do to traffic congestion in Boston? And do you
think that enough people you know, would use the bicycles
twelve months a year so that the there would still
be some people I guess who would cling to the
to the automobiles. I would be one of those.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
So I think what you're a puzzle that I had
a car, and I think that's that's maybe one of
the misunderstanding is that it's like a lot of things,
you don't do everything the same way all the time.
You're certain some cases you might take those subway, some
case you might drive something.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Might I asked you, Yeah, I asked you. Did you
take the tea? So come to me question if you could.
And that is, let's assume that what you're proposing, which
is reasonable. You're you're a very great advocate. You're the
best advocate I've ever dealt with on this issue. So
let's assume we got We got bike lanes in the tunnels,
we got bike lanes on the Zacom, we got bike
(17:40):
lanes on ninety three, we got bike lanes and and
and obviously, because cars are going faster on a lot
of those roads, if we're going to have bike lanes,
I want to see protection there. I don't want to
just draw a line down the road and give people,
you know, three feet to ride a bicycle. That that
would be suicidal. So we we put those bike lanes.
(18:01):
My view is that very few people, very few people
would continue to use bicycles, and all we would do
is we would choke Boston even more. That's my view.
You don't agree with that, so tell me what you
would be like.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I think science shows that the research into the question
shows is something doing to induce demand, which is essentially
that if you add more lanes to car lanes, you
just get more cars. And if you do, some people
find other ways of getting around, especially when you give
them alternatives. You made a comment that that people can't
bike you around, Well, people can't drive you around either
around except the fact that we plow the roads. We
(18:39):
pile roads for them to help them do it, So
the same thing could apply for cars, and people also
also can't drive life around. You can't drive until you're sixteen, roughly,
and you can't drive if you're if you're you know
a lot of people who are older or people who have,
you know, in some kind of physical issues, so or
you can't afford a car, and there's it's a very
expensive way to get around. So so the argument is
(19:01):
made that bicycles aren't realistic because you can't ride them around.
But cars, for that same argument, aren't realistic either because
you can't use them life round. So this is not
like one is a clear argument other.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Go ahead, fair enough, so, but but I'm just asking you,
and again I got to get to a to a
news break here, and I'd like to just not leave
this question hanging. Let's assume that we went all in
and as we've described it, and as you've described it,
and as I've described it, where we have some bike
lanes in the tunnels and on the bridges and on
the major roadways. And let's assume we do that experiment
(19:32):
for five years, what percentage of people coming into Boston.
Obviously right now it's a very small percentage, and you said,
it's a small percentage because you know you don't have linkage.
But if we had the linkage that you that you
would hope for, right, what percentage on an average day,
and even pick a nice day. Let's let's leave the
weather conditions all out of it. Where do you think
(19:54):
would be five years from now? Do you think that
ten percent of the people coming into Boston will be
riding by or do you think would be substantially higher
or lower?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
So we don't have to guess at this. We can
look at other countries that have done this and we
can see what goes on and will what goes on
is that very large percentages of them, I mean majorities
in some cases of the people get around by by bike.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
If you shine it up that way in China would
be an exist.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
China not just no, no, I'm try China is going
away from that probably as much as anything. I mean, again,
I'm not an expert in this, but I know I
think that what I'm thinking maybe as a place like
the Netherlands, which which you can see examples there where
there's communities where they where they where they have networks
of bikes matter. You can go up to Montreal, you know,
have to go that far. You go up to Montreal
and see where that goes on where.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
They have I was in Montreal in May. I didn't
see any evidence of that to be realised. I was.
I was in Netherlands a few years ago, and you're correct.
In Netherlands there were a lot of people on bikes.
There's no question about that. But that. But you know
how they say, all real estate is unique, all cities
are unique. Netherlaniness is a city in Europe. It might
it might work again, just give me your percentage five
(20:55):
years out. I think it would be less than five
percent of the people who would be relying on bikes.
You think it would be higher. I'm just curious how
far I am.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
So just so just for I don't I'm not sure
why that matters what my guests would because it's I
have no basis on forguessing, except for the fact that
you're not your your suggesting, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with.
But that's not the question because it would take a lot.
It might take longer than that. For I think maybe
in some of these countries that maybe have taken you know,
twenty or thirty years for people to really shift on.
And one thing, and one thing you've got to please
keep in mind too, is that what you're talking about
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is the way cities are built right now. And so
these built right now are spread apart, artificially, spread apart
by cars, so the distances that people need to bike
or walk, and that gets into motorized vehicles too. Why
we're having them right now is because we've we've we've
built our cities and our communities to car side dimensions,
and that's what's creating the pressure for these motorized vehicles
that you that that this show is you know, primarily about,
(21:47):
which is that you know, people, people are reaching for
these motorized vehicles because of the fact that we still
have communities built these dimensions that are made for cars.
And with time, with time, you would see that that
would start. People would start building in different ways, in
more affordable ways. The problem is that living spread out
like that, it's just a much more unaffordable way to live.
(22:07):
That's why we have communities in this country that are
going bankrupt and people too.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, we have, we had in the nineteen fifties. The
eyes are our administration invested in interstate commerce and people
can drive from from here to New York in, you know,
on a good day, four four and a half hours.
I guess we can take a little longer to bike.
Let's do this. Let's just I got to go. I'm
five minutes later for the news. I've enjoyed this conversation immensely.
(22:35):
I think that, and it's a good conversation to have.
By the way, I think that the bicyclist who whose
interest I think you represent very effectively have broken down
barriers and have established bike lanes, and now there are
others coming behind in these e bikes and these small scooters.
(22:56):
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I'll remind them to be polite and be conversational, ask questions,
and we'll be back right after this news break. At
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now Paul Basking, a writer and journalist living in Winthrop.
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Back to the calls. My guest is Paul Baskin, a
writer and journal and he wrote a piece in The
Boston Globe and late September called move motorized Vehicles out,
e Bikes and scooters out of the bike lanes. Diana
in Malden, Diana, you are next on Night Side. I
got pack lines, quick comment or question, whichever you prefer.
Go right ahead, Diana.
Speaker 9 (29:18):
Good evening, Dan, thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
You're welcome.
Speaker 9 (29:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Paul.
Speaker 9 (29:23):
Just wanted to make a different type of a question for.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
You from me.
Speaker 10 (29:27):
So I respect bike lanes and respect bikes and any
type of motorized vehicles. However, I wanted to I've always wondered,
why is it that if we're.
Speaker 9 (29:38):
In the if we are a motorized vehicle moving vehicle,
and we have to pay for insurance and stuff like that.
How come bicycles and other types of mopits or whatever
aren't required to pay some kind of insurance for protection
like we're doing on the road if we're sharing the
road with everyone else that you know has to be
(29:58):
licensed and registered. And you know, that's my question. I
always wonder about that.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Well. I think part of the answer is that cars
kill about forty thousand people a year in the in
the United States, and bikes kill I think zero or
maybe one if it happens. So, and if you're talking
about motorized motorized vehicles motorized bikes, there's a lot of
actors active debate as to whether they should actually have
some kind of insurance since they are motorized vehicles. That's
that's part of the debate that that the end has
(30:26):
been talking about here.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, and I also think I also think Diana, and
this is a point Paul and I might agree upon.
In the motorized vehicles, I would say that if you're
taking up road space with bike lanes, you should have
not a lot, but you've got to have some skin
in the game here. In my opinion, and I don't
see where the forty deaths of motorized vehicles. I'm not
(30:48):
sure that that is still that high. By the way,
I'd have to double check that figure out, but I'll
accept your figure for arguments argument purposes. We also lose
a lot of people in airline crashes, and unfortunately that's
the decision people. Every time I get on an airline,
I'm always convinced, Paul, this is going to be the
one that hits the deck. And we saw that horrific
(31:10):
crash in Louisville. That's part of the society. We could
we could go back to living in caves, I guess,
and get rid of cars and airplanes and and huddle
around bonfires every night.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
But cars, you just look theysics by mile, cars are
more deadly than these other options. You're talking about that,
but they will.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Tell you that, they'll they'll say that air that airplanes
are safer than uh than cars. But when an airplane
goes down, generally there's a lot of folks that go
down with it. Diana, you had a great question. Thank you.
I don't know if you've called before, but please, this
is a busy night, call back anytime.
Speaker 10 (31:44):
Thank you, so much, thank you, thank you, welcome.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Thank you. Let me go next to Arthur and Boston.
Arthur got to be quick for me. My guest is
Paul Basket. Say hi to Paul. What's your comment? A question?
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Hello Paul.
Speaker 11 (31:55):
So here's my thing, and I live at Downtown crossing
and drive through this every day when nobody is in
the bike lane. But how about we go back to
the same road and the same rules for everybody. And
bikes also have a headlight and a tail light at night,
so when I'm walking through the crosswalk, they're not running
me over when I'm crosswalking on Tremont Street or weaving
(32:18):
in and out of me when I'm leaving in the
Boston in the morning, trying to get through ninety three
racing up to the light in front of me.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yep, So I think the same rules is good. I mean, well,
we're all sharing the same road. We should have the
same rules. So what you're you're referencing is all the
rules are pretty much built for cars, and then so
people people are doing it with not car based rules.
Speaker 11 (32:40):
No they're not, No, they're not.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I see a lot of bikeycles in the morning.
Speaker 11 (32:44):
At outshakes and and the bicycles are weaving in and
out getting in front of me when I'm heading to
the highway. That's that's not that at all.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
All right, Arthur, you've.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Made your point. I think that you and Paul might
be going around here, but you've made a very uh
you know, interesting interesting point. Paul, give you a quick
final word if you want with Arthur, but I got
a couple more left to work in as well. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I mean, one example of stop lights, stop lights are
built solely for cars. There bicycles have no need for them.
So so when you're talking about the same rules for everybody,
then then.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
You would presumably bicyclists have have a need for red
lights at intersections. I mean, if you want to blow
through a red light, good good.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Luck because of a car. But but I'm talking about
in terms of in terms of in terms of what
the bike. The need that the bike creates is not
one for a for a red light. That's that's the
device that's solely for the.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Well, if we got yeah in our car in the
perfect world for you, Paul, and there are no cars
in the road, you just have to make sure you
don't get sides wiped by another bike. But that's not reality. Hey, Arthur,
thank you for your call. Appreciate it very much. Let
me go to Tom in North Carolina, and we actually
do have listeners all over the country. Paul, go ahead, Tom,
you're next with Paul Basking go right ahead.
Speaker 12 (33:55):
Yeah, this is Tom. I'm seventy two, retired frequent listener
and a second time caller, right and I've bicycled in
New Jersey, North Carolina, Colorado, Switzerland, and the Netherlands, and
I would love to get you Dan and you Paul
(34:16):
together to go to the Netherlands and a bicycle for
four or five days, all kinds of weather. The first
time I ever went there, I was on a rented bike.
And then the first day I rode in the rain
in November comfortably on bike trails with sick what it
(34:39):
called synchronized stoplights for bike trails so that you could
ride safely through the traffic, and did fifty eight miles
that first day with no problem at all. And I'll
just say, have Paul, have you have you been to
(35:00):
the Netherlands. Have you investigated how the Netherlands got to
where they are, because I know it.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Wasn't by the way, Tom, so I agree. And by
the way, thank you for calling, because this is a
call that I think fundamentally supports Paul's position ahead.
Speaker 12 (35:17):
Damn, have you ridden the bike trails in the Nean?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
No? I have not, but I I have stood and
watched people ride bikes in the Netherlands, so I I
understand it's very different. But that's okay. I want to
get a quick.
Speaker 12 (35:30):
Comment, talk a video on line of it.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, I'll do that. I'll do that. Give give Paul
a quick Paul, if you can be quick. I got
one other caller I'd like to try to sneak in
as well.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Well, you can move on. I take a point and
we can get time. Let's move on.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Fure enough, okay, Tom, thank you for the call. Stay
safe out there, my friend to keep calling night side.
Thank you. Let me go. We're gonna wrap it up
here with Phil in Boston. Phil, I only got a
minute for you. You're with call basket.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Ask the question, what's this ultimate goal?
Speaker 13 (36:01):
And I suspect this no vehicles out there?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Okay, that's hold on, that's a great question. Is your
ultimate goal no cars in the roads?
Speaker 3 (36:10):
No question, No, not at all. You're obstruct your first
caller made the point that he comes from Hanson and
drives up for work reasons. He brings his vehicle because
it's for work. The people blocking him or the people
driving their cars up there just to drive them up
and put them in parking rodgers. And then working in office,
that's who's blocking him from getting in.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
And people do do they do they relocate?
Speaker 3 (36:32):
No, they continue, They would have they would have a
train service. And that gets the up second point he
talked about working on the Big Dig. The Big Gig
is a great example of of misplaced priorities. We've dug
that ton of underneath downtown Boston and filled it with cars,
and we did not put the space in it for
the train to go from North Station to the South.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
When when the Big Dig is completed, traffic is going
to be absolutely perfect. That's what that's what they're telling us. Yeah,
I wanted to end on the juckle. Phil, Great question,
great question.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
It's almost a cult.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
Well.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
I was surrounded one day by cow Abor ten years ago,
a circle of bicycles, bicycles Coso Goso, go Gozo bicycle.
Speaker 13 (37:13):
That was getting very violent. Like I think it's the
pointer is is that they drive I drive a truck
so they wouldn't have their little bikeis if I wasn't
delivering the bikes on Phil, fill your cud late.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
I got you in, but they gotta let you go.
Thank you, my friend. Talk to you soon, call again, Paul.
You you're great sport. I thank you. Is there some
sort of group you want to plug or anything? Uh,
And we'll do this again if you'd like. I'd love
to do this.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I mean, I mean, I like Boston Cyclic Union and
Math Bike. Although they don't agree me with me on
some of the stuff too, but but I think they
they're doing it. They're both doing a very nice job
for that, you know, for in a positive direction, and
I'm git grateful for them.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Well, thanks, thanks for joining us tonight. It was fun
and maybe we'll do it again as we we can
do it some night when the blue this was going
on and we can really get people riled up. Thanks Paul.
I appreciate it very much. I enjoyed that.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Thanks, have a great night on the Here comes the
ten o'clock news. We got a couple of interesting guests
coming up in ten
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