December 10, 2024 • 41 mins
Boston City Councilor Tania Fernandes Anderson was arrested last week on federal public corruption charges and is accused of taking a $7,000 kickback. According to the indictment, Fernandes-Anderson is charged with wire fraud, theft concerning programs receiving federal funds and forfeiture allegations. In the wake of the indictment, Boston City Councilors are exploring the possibility of establishing an ethics committee. Should Councilor Fernandes Anderson resign?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's with Dan Ray. I'm tell you Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Well, I'd like to open up a conversation about the
indicted Boston City councilor uh Tanier Fernandez Anderson. And this
indictment came down. I think it was last Friday, if
I'm not mistaken, I was off and yesterday there were
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a couple of stories that were uh overwhelming, the capture
of Luigi uh Maine Mangioni in Altoona, Pennsylvania, as well
as the acquittal of Daniel Penny in that New York
case what uh the case that resulted in the death
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of a homeless person on a New York subway. I
was reading a walker's calumn in the Boston Globe. He
was pretty tough on Fernandez Anderson, as I will be.
I think the Herald, on forget which day it was,
the Herald calls for her to resign. I believe that
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Mayor Wu has also called for her resignation, and I
think she should resign as well. And the reason I
think she should resign is not so much for what
she is charged. I mean, she's been charged with a
serious set of crimes by the US Attorney here in Massachusetts.
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But I don't know. Apparently she now is looking for
court appointed council although she earns one hundred and fifteen
thousand dollars as a Boston City councilor. She has had
a fairly controversial term. She's in her second term. She's
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got herself into some campaign finance violations. Allegedly she had
hired her sister and her son and given them very
quick bonuses in two In twenty two, she now finds
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herself again. This is an allegation, but it's an allegation
that has resulted in an indictment. She enjoys the presumption
of innocence that she hired another individual and that that
individual was given a raise of thirteen thousand dollars, and
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as a result of that raise, Anderson allegedly took back
seven thousand in cash in a city hall bathroom. At
the time, she owed five thousand dollars to the State
Ethics Commission for hiring her son and relatives on her
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cap her sister and her son. So this is a
candidate who has been very fortunate, as Adrian Walker said
on Monday, as the first Cape Verdean born politician to
become a member of the Boston City Council. She also
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happens to have been born in Cape Verde, emigrated to
the United States when I guess she was ten, brought
here by her parents. She was at that point an illegal,
So she has the distinction of being the first person
who had come here as an illegal who was elected
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to serve on the city council. That is no small task.
She also happens to be the first Muslim serving the
Boston City Council and the first immigrant from Africa to
serve on the Boston City Council. And despite all of
those achievements, she now finds herself in hot water. I
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don't think she can continue to serve her district effectively
while she tries to battle a federal indictment. Federal indictments
are pretty serious indictments, and again, she enjoys the presumption
of innocence. But I think she owes it to her
constituents to spend whatever energy she has defending herself along
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with council. Whether she pays for the council or whether
or not the taxpayers of Massachusetts provide her with court
appointed council. She needs to make sure that she does
as good a job as she can to defend herself
against these allegations, and in all honesty, when you think
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about that, these are serious. These are serious allegations that
could result in jail time, and I just think you can't.
Sometimes you can't do two really important things. Well, So
that's my take on it. I don't think she's the
most effective member of the council. I think she got
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involved in a lot of stuff. But she wants a
public defender, and she probably will get a public defender,
but she certainly should have the money to pay for
her own attorney. And while she might get the public defender,
I think she would be remiss if she continued to
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try to present her constituents. Now, if you are a
big supporter of hers and feel that she has done
a great job and you disagree with me, feel free
six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine,
three one ten thirty Again, indictments of Boston City councils
not unprecedented, but they don't happen every year. They don't
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happen every election, and it certainly does well. It doesn't
help the reputation of the city Council, and there are
a lot of people on that council who are trying
to do the best job they can. Let me go
to John in Boston. See what John thinks about this. John,
you're a Boston resident. I don't know if you're a
constituent of councilor Tanya Friend and Anderson or not. But
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do you think she should stay or should she resign?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well, I'll be totally candid with you, Dan trest All,
I hope the Thanksgiving one well, Merry Christmas, and I
give it credit wearing a green dress there, God bless
And that being said, maybe she wore a green dress
because it's her favorite color. But I remember this very distinctively.
Chuck stew It, not Chuck stew It. I'm sorry the
Wars and Black City councils.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Chuck Turner. Chuck Turner.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, so I'm sorry those people. So you know what
I mean. Texted with his wife and the baby and
but anyways that Dan said, so I'm not going to
tell you what I did, but I think it was
his girlfriend. I packed the cal by the convention, signed
hout to hide it and I tagged it. And the
reason why I tagged it was because my father a
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one time on a fall a lot fell up the
laddile for it.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Are you are you a current or are you a
current or a former police officer?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
That's irrelevant. I graduated a police mom by transchool, but
believe it or that.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
But what I'm saying, John, I'm not asking a challenge.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
That's okay, I'm tired.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I mean, that's fine. So were you were you? Were
you a police officer?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I graduated a police fut by trans school, but I
was a transportation problem. So anyways, okay, that's fine. Problem.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
That's that's all I'm trying to John, John, just be
with me for a second. Okay. All I'm trying to
do is help you tell the story and from my
audience to understand the story. That's all. Go right ahead.
I'm not challenging you. I'm just asking for a plenty
of clarification. Well, thank you, go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
It Well, I went to chelse on High and there
was a thing called busting, but there was no more
busting in Wellesley.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Or that's totally irrelevant to what we're talking about here,
John Man. You were telling me a story about Chuck Turner,
the former city council.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
On a hydrant. Think of his car and hydrant and
before that he made a beef about his girlfriend getting
tagged and this guy was on a hydrant. I don't know.
I want to say it was his and uh, I
you think I rubbed the bank? But what's the old cliche?
How do you know what I mean? If you don't
know where I'm coming from, understanding I'm going. But yeah,
she's definitely get an attorney, and and uh whatever, how
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does the.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Chuck Let me let me John, let me ask you this.
How does the Chuck Turner story that you started to tell,
how does that relate to uh? Tanya?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I think I think she's looking for a failure. I
think she's looking for a failure. And I think why
she wants to stick on this because come January first,
to get a vacation sick time. But she should not
get a public defender. Now, I should shew, are you
she should? When when you got a problem, address it
because the more you procrastinate, it's going to escalate.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well, she's going to have to she will have to
have counsel. Okay, Now, if she meets the qualifications and
she requests a public defender, she like anyone else, will
get a public defender. I think she's going to have
a hell decline there because she gets a salary of
one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars a year and most
people who get public defenders don't make anywhere near that. John, So.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
She's she's not Michael mcconock. But I think she should
address the you know, the bold by the Hans and
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Why are you bringing Mike mccormicks, John, You know what,
I just don't understand. You're taking me down here. You
know what, I think I gave you plenty of time
to make your point, John, and he did make it.
So I'm going to let you go for now. But
I appreciate you taking the time to call. Thank you
very much. Look, if you want to make a comment
with out bringing in irrelevant topics, I'd love to hear
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from you. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
six one seven nine three one ten thirty A city
council or Boston City councilor is under indictment. There are
there's been other city councilors who have faced Chuck Turner
et cetera that their cases are irrelevant to hers. She's
charged with basically putting relatives in the payroll. That's an
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ethical violation. She was fined for that. Then she hired someone,
and I'm not sure who this someone is. I think
they're called witness. A pretty clear who that witness is.
She hired them and gave that person virtually immediately, as
I understand the case, a thirteen thousand dollars rais and
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told the person that the quid pro quo for the
rays was that she would get thirteen thousand dollars. The
poor person probably would have to pay taxes on the
thirteen eight thousand dollars dollar raise, and Tanya Anderson Fernandez
Anderson allegedly got a seven thousand dollar kickback, and I
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don't suspect she's gonna declared that on her federal income tax.
So it's an interesting story. I think she should resign.
I think the Boston Herald thinks she resign. I believe
that there are other political leaders here. I'm told that
there's a very interesting city Council hearing tomorrow on Wednesday
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where some of this might be vented. And I just again,
I missed this story because I was off on Friday night,
and I'd like to just open it up on the
other side. Six one seven two five four ten thirty
six one seven nine thirty. Uh, if you are either
a Boston or resident, or someone who has any relationship
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with Boston, do you want a city councilor who's under
indictment ken enjoying the presumption of innocence until the trial
or until the verdict? Should she resign? I think she
resigned in her own interest to be able to fully
provide all the attention that is necessary to her own
defense with a council either court appointed which means free,
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or private council, which means she would have to pay
for it. Six one seven two five four ten thirty
six one seven nine p one ten thirty. Feel free
to join the conversation. If you are a supporter of hers,
you are more than welcome to call. If you are
someone who has never heard of her, but understand the circumstances,
you're also more than walking to call. We'll be back
on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Other city councils, and more importantly, the mayor has suggested
that she would resign. I'm suggesting she resign, although she
enjoys the presumption of innocence because I think it is
in her interest to focus solely upon her defense in court.
Let me go next to Joah, who checking in from Dorchester. Joe,
how are you tonight?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I'm doing fine, Schoel. What's your thought on this? Are
you a constituent of the counselor yes?
Speaker 5 (13:16):
I am?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
So what do you think? What would you tell her?
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Well, I don't think she should resign. I think because
I believe that due process needs to be heard and
done on the aspect that you know, we are a
country that we sit here we say innocent to proving guilty.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Correct, correct? Absolutely? I mentioned that twice now, two or
three times.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah, So when we say innocent to proven guilty, when
you say you should resign, I should resign from my position,
that's automatically saying well to me, if I was saying
I'm guilty, I need to step back and also like
being submissive to what is going on here, because this
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is a bigger picture than what we are seeing here.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Well, before we get before we get to that, Joe,
let me let me defend my comment so that you're
clear on what I'm saying. She does enjoy a presumption
of innocence. People, Even when indictments are issued, the prosecution
will always remind reporters that the person who has been
indicted and enjoys the presumption of innocent and as to
all the elements of the crime have to be proven
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beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers. Now,
I am not saying she should resign because of what
she is accused of doing, or she is resigned. She
should resign because I believe she's guilty of what she's
accused of doing. That will be decided by the jury.
What I'm saying is that I don't know how someone
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can serve as a city council or full time, which
is her responsibility to her constituents and to the city
of Boston, and mount a vigorous defense against these allegations.
That's I'm just saying, it's in her interest to resign.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
So okay, So let's let's look at it from this aspect.
You a moment ago, you was talking about her being
able to provide legal counsel. Now, if we if she resigns,
she has no income. She's a mother of too, she
has no income. She has to pay rent, she has
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to eat, she has to provide and pay her bills,
glass and then still try to pay a lawyer. So
therefore that's not going to work.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
No, No, what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, and
again if you follow me here, I don't think that
while she's working as a city councilor however much work
she's doing advocating for her constituents like you and taking
care of whatever problems constituents like you might bring to
her attention, if she's being paid one hundred and fifteen
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thousand dollars the things she deserves to be you know,
represented by uh, you know council, a quart appointed council,
I think. I don't think anyone's making one hundred and
fifteen thousand dollars a year should do that. What I'm
saying is, if if she did resign to defend herself effectively,
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I then might say, well, you know, she no longer
has a job, she's she's resigned, she should have quart
appointed council because.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Who but you know, all the respect I mean in
that respect, of.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Course, quarter appointed council would not cost her anything.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Okay, so let's get let's get this right. So you know,
I have. I'm on that, Michelle Woolst. I'm the good
gentleman that you know that they love to do the
same thing to shut me up in the use of
legal system, you know, because that's what the Democrats have
been doing, and you know, and and for our clarity.
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This year, I supported Donald J. Trump because of our
rights and our free speech and the immigration thing that's
going on. So this year I rebelled against the Democratic
Party because I feel like the Democratic Party has been
doing really nasty things to people and not in overstepping
their boundaries with our rights and our free speech and
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our First Amendment and with our First Amendment in the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
So you feel this is an so I'm assuming that
you feel this is an attack upon Tanya Fernandez Anderson.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I mean, that's my personal feeling.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You ever write to all your personal opinions, you.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Know, And I'm not saying anyone is perfect. And I'm
not sitting here staying you know, I don't know all
the logistics of this case graft.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
So all I know is what I've read in the paper,
and I'm sure you've read read it in the paper
as well. So we're gonna you know, we're gonna agree
to disagree. Okay, I understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
I hope you know you're you're saying. Man, you know,
she should she should resign and to to do her case.
But I feel she should maintain her job and and
pay an attorney because I feel like a paid attorney
is going to have a better chances for her in
my opinion. And I also do know, just to make
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a note, uh, back when Chuck Turner was maybe he
rests in peace and when he's not resting now, but
when Chuck Turner was in office, and when they ousted him,
he came back out and sued the city because they
went against the laws, the city laws and the rules
and the and the and the the city or necess
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So therefore he's suon in won So do we want
to go back in that same role because Michelle who
has quite a few lawsuits against her, and I personally
can't wait for her to get out.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, no, she she does. Looks she herself is pretty
in battle at this point, there's no doubt. Look, I
appreciate you taking the time to call.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Okay, yeah, well, and I also have to say I
appreciate the fact that you can acknowledge that you know,
she do new process.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Oh sure, I mean everyone has a right to do process.
And I mean, you know it's difficult to say, but
even this this this guy, this coward that shot the
guy in the back in New York and who was
captured yesterday, he has a right to do process.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
I mean, yeah, everyone has a right to do process
in this that's the country you live in. Before I leave, okay,
said the said, and I know you've said it as
well in your on going by what you leave, they
say she's the other the employee A is a co
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operating witness. Well, I mean that's a family member. That's
the point I'm want to make. Uh employee is not
a family member. I just want to make that, Claire.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay, I don't I don't know that because I'm not
involved in any way, shape or forming the case. I'm
not covering the case as a reporter. If when I
was a reporter, I would try to work my sources
and get as much information as I can. I will
take it. You sound like a reasonable guy, and you're
a gentleman, and I can I will accept what you say,
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and people can wait at against whatever has been reported
in the papers, but do me.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
This family member. So I just want to make.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That Claire, okay, well, thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
My family, so I know, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Well, continue to continue to listen to Night Side and
call call myself. I've had I've had counselor for an
Endus Anderson on this show before. She has, you know,
been involved in some of these I don't know, you know,
controversial incidents. There that incident where she went to last year,
I think it was to mass and casts and some
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she was taking pictures and some someone stole her cell
phone and uh and she recovered it, thankfully. So she's
been the victim of crime and here she's she's accused
of a crime. Joah, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
I look forward to Oh you have a great.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Even so thanks good six one seven, two, five four
ten thirty. One line there in six one seven, nine three,
one ten thirty. Should Daniel Fernandez Anderson City councilor from
Boston from you know, parts of Dorchester and Roxbury. I
believe I'm I get confused by the districts these days.
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Should she resign while she's fighting this this indictment. I
think it's in her best interest to resign period is
that is not in any way, shape or form an
indictment or or a belief that she's She's facing serious charges,
but those charges are nothing proven in court. Back on
Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Hey you very much, Dan Walkins. I'm reading from an
article on Saturday Adrian Walker, who was I think someone
who is favorably disposed towards Fernandez Anderson. Her district includes
parts of the South End in Fenway. He said she's
a trailblazer, first Muslim city council, first African immigrant, got
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off to a strong start taking charge of the council's
most important committee, the one that handles the city budget.
He writes, though if we're being honest, she pretty quickly
seemed overwhelmed in that role. Fernandez Anderson spoke frequently about
the challenges of being a black woman and an immigrant
in a city government historically and friendly to both. She's
been polarizing in the truest sense of the term. Her
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admirers would walk through fire for her. Her detractors, and
there were more than a few, would say she accomplished little.
That's again fairly balanced argument here. Besides picking a lot
of pointless fights, he goes on to say Mayor Michelle
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will when other local leaders call the Fernandas Anderson to
resign on Friday. Fernandus Anderson to resign Friday. My guess
is that she hasn't gone anywhere in the near term
as far as the city Council is concerned. She's innocent
until proven guilty, in her day in court is probably
far off. So this is a bad day for the
Boston City Council for trust in city government. It will
only start to reinforce the ever present notion that leaders
herself serving and corrupt, and it reflects the fact that
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if a city council is willing to ignore the rules,
there aren't many good ways to ring them in. Fernandres
Anderson came into office pledging to be a powerful representative
of the city's routinely marginalized voices. At her best, she's
been exactly that, squandering that opportunity, and for so little
seven thousand dollars, that's my comment, would be a huge
loss for everyone she claimed to represent. And walker very balanced,
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I thought and thoughtful column in The Boston Globe on Saturday,
and one that I'm sure he did not write with
any sense of glee. Where are we going to go next?
Let's go next and let me talk with Rashid, who's
checking in from Dorchester as well. Rashid, welcome next to Nightside.
How are you.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
I'm well, Dan, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
So what do you think? My thought is that she
should resign because it's very difficult to fight a federal
indictment while maintaining your position as an elected official and
serving her constituents.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Well, Dan, I think calls for her to resign that
ship has passed. He should have resigned when she hired
her son and sister to a city government position and
gave them double salaries. She should have resigned when she
refused to take the the oath of office just last year.
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I mean, she has been a disaster on the council,
and every blunder that she has made warranted resignation. But
I think I want, you know, everybody to think about
this when we talk about resignation, I think obviously beating
the dead horses the Chuck Turner lawsuit. We all know
the rules there, but she's clearly broke according to the
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you know, I think it was in the indictment that
she was missing car payments, he was missing rent payments.
He has no money, she's not paying for an attorney.
Clearly there's a financial issue here, and I think, honestly,
if you any of us were in her position, she's
gonna sit there collect that one p fifteen for the
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rest of the year while she fights this case, which
he possibly will lose, and you know, at least go
to federal prison with a few bucks in her pocket.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, I get it, but I guess I guess you
can be she could be a no show city councilor
if she wanted to be. I don't think that's her style.
I just I remember that I had forgotten about that.
She refused I think to when she was sworn in
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place her hand on.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
You guys broke it.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
You broke it.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
I mean there was a watchdog group that broke it,
but you were the one who brought it to the radio.
And she came on your show to say, Oh, I
was saying it silently in my head, It's like, what
are we doing?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, no, I don't know. I was glad she came
on the show, and I was glad that she claimed
what she claimed because I think people then could evaluate.
It didn't make a difference because she was re elected
pretty handily. She didn't have much of a serious competition,
although I guess there are now a couple of candidates
who are stirring around in her district, which includes I
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guess Roxbury as well as part of the Fenway in
the in the south End. So she represents an interesting district.
It's not monolithic in any sense of the term. You know, look,
we have not had the best and the brightest on
the Boston City Council over the years. Kendralaara, you crash
came the city councilor who for years, I guess, was
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driving around town without a driver's licensing. How can you
how can you pretend to be a city council or
be a city councilor if you're going to ignore the
rules of just striving And here she's she's gonna engage
in nepotism of the highest order by hiring a son
and a daughter, uh and then giving them pay raises
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virtually immediately.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
I mean, yeah, an employee like it comes to the bathroom,
give me seven grand. And then you also forgot Arroyo
and Rollins who try to democratically steal an election. They're
both rest democracy and you know, it's just crazy. And
I don't know what the people of Boston are are.
I mean, I can't blame the people because I mean
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they're not really given the best options. I encourage those
who are listening on your show. Maybe somebody can get inspired.
Run for public office. You live in Boston, you're a good,
decent human being. Run for public office. We need you.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, what I well, there have been people. I think
that her challenger was Roy Owens, who comes from a
family of a political family in Roxbury. But if I
were a young lawyer living in Dorchester, Roxbury and I
was making fifty thousand dollars a year, you know, get
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small claims cases and you know, and representing people who
have been charged with driving under this is an opportunity
for them to break out. And someone goes and spend
some time campaigning these offices. These offices are all winnable.
I mean, it's not at the race ten million dollars
to win one of these races, and you get a
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group of people who support you and you you go
in and you do a good job. You know, at
some point you might become the mayor of Boston.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
I mean, yeah, but look at the mayor all's race.
I mean, who do we even have We don't even
have a lineup. No, we're what eleven ten, ten to
eleven months out, nobody has said, hey, I want to
run against the most politically vulnerable mayor in the history
of the city of Boston. Like, we haven't even had
anybody step up. I don't know. I don't know what's
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going on.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I suspicion someone will step up at some point. But
the question is, in order to be an incumbent mayor,
it takes a lot here in Boston. I mean, you know,
the power of the incumbency is great. Certainly Mayor Woo
was involved in all sorts of fights. It was I
talked about today. I think it's one of the one
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of the articles in the Boston World today with North
End business owners and other parts of the city. She
she has she's really gone out of her way to
alienate people.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Yes, sometimes the Bacco Thank you Senator Collins for blogging that.
You know, Yeah, that's data even being provided properly. I mean,
I don't know, I don't know if.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Well, she's a disaster.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You got to go back a long time to see
an incumbent mayor of Boston defeated. You know, Kevin White
ran four times and he retired. Ray Flynn went to
the Vatican. Tom Monina was there twenty years and he retired.
Marty Walsh went to the to the Biden cabinet. Is
now the secretary of the National Hockey League. And I
believe that that Michelle wou doesn't she doesn't want to
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continue as mayor. For like, she's not a Tom Menino,
she's not a Marty Walsh. She has her.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Yes, maybe Trump with a pointer, Dan, maybe he will
make an ambassador or something.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I don't think so. I think she wants she has her.
She's looking at Liz Warren sent it seat and she's.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Looking Oh, she's looking at her Marquie Markey, And I
don't think he looks too hot, Dan, I don't think
he looks too hot. So maybe he Joe.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
At Marky surprised a lot of people with his strength,
particularly with younger people. And Mark he's not up now
for well, I guess he's up uh in twenty six years? Yeah, yeah,
So who knows things? Two years is a lifetime in politics,
Rashid always interesting, challenging call. Thank you, my friend. I
really appreciate you. Thank you, Dan, talk to you soon, buddy.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
All Right, gonna take quick break. I got Jack and Bill.
You guys stay, They're going to get you in for sure.
If anyone else wants to join this conversation, feel free.
Six months, seven two, five, four, ten thirty six months
seven nine, three, one, ten thirty. Again. I if you're
a Boston listener, this does affect you. It affects your city. Uh,
your voice should be heard back on NIGHTSID after this.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
All right, let's go to Jack and Newton. Jack, you
next to Nightside Welcome.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
Yeah, well, thank you Jack Porter. I'm gonna take a
little bit of different slant on as I'm a sociologist
and I see a definite pattern here with women who
are black or minority, single mothers possibly or even men.
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They are just there's not just three or four, it's
turning into like four or five of them. And you're
talking about mister Arroyo, Chuck Turner, Dorris Wilkinson, Richelvell. So
my theory is possibly two things. One they feel entitled
to it, like, oh, I'm so oppressed and I work
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so hard to get to this position. I can do something.
I can do things that are not you know, one
hundred percent kosher, or they don't have a good self
image and the stress of being in that job. They
maybe didn't feel like they don't deserve it.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I don't know, Jack, I mean, each each case is
different onto itself. There are a lot of white political
leaders who have gotten themselves in trouble for the same thing.
I think that Look at Diane Wilkinson was caught on
camera stuffing cash into her bra I mean, that was,
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you know, a classic case. But she's she's come back.
She's had a political comeback sorts. You know, back in
the day, James Michael Curley ran for office from from jail.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
So I right, But I'm talking about in the last
five or six or ten years we've had this particular
I'm talking as I'm making a sociological observation, But there's
a whole bunch.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Of there's a whole bunch of black women at the
Attorney General. To come with Andrea Campbell is black there's
been no scandal.
Speaker 7 (34:00):
I get this all the time because it's always the accepted.
But that's what I do. I generalize as a sociologist.
I see a pattern here.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
No, I get I'm not trying to I'm not trying to.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
Argue that, actually, what's that I'd like to Maybe your
callers can give me an answer to this. I'm not
putting it down. I'm not saying that something intrinsically wrong
with you know, black women or whatever. I'm just trying
to figure out a pattern here.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
For this pattern. It's like it's like saying that the
best players in the NBA are over six ft ten. Uh. Yeah,
that might be true because they have the height advantage,
But then you have guys like Steph Curry, who's who's
probably six ' one, who for a time was the best.
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I just think that generalizations tend to generally get people trouble.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
That's all. That's my job as a social You don't
have the sociological asentation and that you want to go there.
But I'm trying to figure this out. Maybe someone in
the audience can explain.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
You see, if someone reacts to it, it's as simple
as that. I mean there's a lot of uh you know,
black members uh in Congress about whom there's that no
uh no scent of of problems. Uh I I don't.
I don't agree with Ia Presley un much as you
probably know. But but you know, she served as the
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city council, got elected to Congress, and uh, you know again,
I think.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
Look, well it really hurt me. For example, when Chuck
Turner you know, did what he did, or even then
they said they didn't have enough money. Maybe money is
an issue, but but there are many city councilors that
also may have money problems, but they don't do things
that are not legal, you know what I mean. You
can't use that ague.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
But I don't. But again, you I just don't want
anyone to say, oh, they were talking about black politicians
being more likely to do I think that that.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
I just be a pattern in this in this city,
all right, in the last ten years. I'm not going
to generalize on Well, there's other cities.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
You could go to Marilynd Mosby down who was who's
a Boston Bostonian, grew up in Boston, she was elected
in Baltimore. She's in she's in trouble. So yeah, you
get the Mayor of New York.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
Eric Adams my theory.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I get it. I get it.
Speaker 7 (36:28):
This is a good theory. Let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Well, let's say, let's see if I'm to react Jack again,
thank you very much. Jack is one of my more
liberal members. Let me make that very clear. Thanks Jack,
Doctor Sue Bill and Natick Bill next on Knights. Go
right ahead, Bill, Yes, Hi.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
First of all, I wasn't gonna say anything about it,
but a call like that makes me annoyed that someone's
trying to pull someone's trying to even if he's uncertain,
to make any kind of racial connection to this. I
don't think that's productive. The reason why I called.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That's why. By the way, Billy, just.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Let me let me finish.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Let me just let me just and then you'll be
able to finish. I just wanted you to note that
I disagreed with Jack on his theory. Just please.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
It doesn't I understand he disagreed, but he got airtime,
and I think it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I mean, so go ahead, here's your time.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
I think it's It doesn't make any difference whether it's
a talk show host or a caller like me, or
anyone who is not in the electorate that elected this
city councilor it is not relevant or important for anyone
else to weigh in this except the people who voted
for her. That's my opinion. Can you imagine a convicted
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felon being a president? Can you imagine a convicted sexual
abuser being a president? It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
It always to those of you who sentence, Let me
do my syndrome, it always consists, has nothing to do
with Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Let me finish my sentence. What I'm saying is is
that it has to do exactly with the electorate who
wants the person to be in office or not? And
you do not. This talk show hosts Jimmy, this talk
show doesn't know what her what her supporters, or her
electric feel about this. So I think she has every
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right to stay in office. She may have significant financial problems,
and until she's convicted, then she should then be Then
the electorate she may have to resign. But until she's convicted,
the electorate is the one who put her there, and
they're the ones who should allow her to stay there.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
And I think everything stay, everything get built. It doesn't
you want to have want to make a speech doesn't work. Okay,
don't try to imply that I'm not doing what I'm
supposed to do. I talk about issues of controversy. Okay, uh,
And you listen to the talk show enough to know
(39:06):
that I I range far and wide to pick issues
of of of that people are interested in. That's that's
all I'm saying. And this is an issue you know, go,
you know, tell that to Michelle Wu. She's the mayor
of Boston. She she didn't vote for Tanya Fernandez Anderson
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because she doesn't live in the district. So so if
you've got a problem with someone calling for her resignation,
talk go call Michelle will see if she takes your call.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I'm only interested in one thing, Dan, You have every
right to have any subjects you want because you're there
to do a job. You're you're there to do a
job to have people be interested, including myself call in.
My point is, it doesn't make a difference what anyone
feels except the people who elected her. Period.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
The only person who's going to make the difference in
all reality is herself. Because she could have one hundred
people in her district come to her tomorrow and say
we want you to resign. That might influence her, but
she's the one who will have to make that decision. Bill,
you're challenging call. I wish I could give you more time,
but it's eleven o'clock. Uh. And please continue to call,
(40:19):
challenge me anytime you want, but don't challenge my integrity. Okay.
Well I was cutting a whiff of it, Bill, and
and I you know, when you started to talk about
me allowing Jack Jack's point of view, he he's welcome
to call this show. You're welcome. Everyone is welcome to
call this show. That's what I run here. It's an
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it's an open forum. There are certain points of view
that I'm not going to allow. If someone's gonna call
and spew obvious racism, uh, I don't tolerate that, Okay,
Or hatred toward a group of people because of their
ethnic background, I don't tolerate that. But a point of
view is permitted. That's all. That's what that's what this
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show is all about. And it'll stay that way as
long as I'm behind the microphone. You are always welcome
to call and argue with me. And I enjoyed your
phone call. I'm really I mean that seriously, I'm not
I'm not saying that to you in any way other
than with complete sincerity. Thanks for calling and we'll talk soon.
Thanks Bill, We'll take a quick break. Here's the eleven
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o'clock news. I'm willing to continue this conversation if you want.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. Bruins lost a squeaker to
the Winnipeg Jets that I eight to one out in Winnipeg.
It's with Dan Ray. I'm tell you Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Well, I'd like to open up a conversation about the
indicted Boston City councilor uh Tanier Fernandez Anderson. And this
indictment came down. I think it was last Friday, if
I'm not mistaken, I was off and yesterday there were
(00:30):
a couple of stories that were uh overwhelming, the capture
of Luigi uh Maine Mangioni in Altoona, Pennsylvania, as well
as the acquittal of Daniel Penny in that New York
case what uh the case that resulted in the death
(00:53):
of a homeless person on a New York subway. I
was reading a walker's calumn in the Boston Globe. He
was pretty tough on Fernandez Anderson, as I will be.
I think the Herald, on forget which day it was,
the Herald calls for her to resign. I believe that
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Mayor Wu has also called for her resignation, and I
think she should resign as well. And the reason I
think she should resign is not so much for what
she is charged. I mean, she's been charged with a
serious set of crimes by the US Attorney here in Massachusetts.
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But I don't know. Apparently she now is looking for
court appointed council although she earns one hundred and fifteen
thousand dollars as a Boston City councilor. She has had
a fairly controversial term. She's in her second term. She's
(02:05):
got herself into some campaign finance violations. Allegedly she had
hired her sister and her son and given them very
quick bonuses in two In twenty two, she now finds
(02:25):
herself again. This is an allegation, but it's an allegation
that has resulted in an indictment. She enjoys the presumption
of innocence that she hired another individual and that that
individual was given a raise of thirteen thousand dollars, and
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as a result of that raise, Anderson allegedly took back
seven thousand in cash in a city hall bathroom. At
the time, she owed five thousand dollars to the State
Ethics Commission for hiring her son and relatives on her
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cap her sister and her son. So this is a
candidate who has been very fortunate, as Adrian Walker said
on Monday, as the first Cape Verdean born politician to
become a member of the Boston City Council. She also
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happens to have been born in Cape Verde, emigrated to
the United States when I guess she was ten, brought
here by her parents. She was at that point an illegal,
So she has the distinction of being the first person
who had come here as an illegal who was elected
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to serve on the city council. That is no small task.
She also happens to be the first Muslim serving the
Boston City Council and the first immigrant from Africa to
serve on the Boston City Council. And despite all of
those achievements, she now finds herself in hot water. I
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don't think she can continue to serve her district effectively
while she tries to battle a federal indictment. Federal indictments
are pretty serious indictments, and again, she enjoys the presumption
of innocence. But I think she owes it to her
constituents to spend whatever energy she has defending herself along
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with council. Whether she pays for the council or whether
or not the taxpayers of Massachusetts provide her with court
appointed council. She needs to make sure that she does
as good a job as she can to defend herself
against these allegations, and in all honesty, when you think
(05:00):
about that, these are serious. These are serious allegations that
could result in jail time, and I just think you can't.
Sometimes you can't do two really important things. Well, So
that's my take on it. I don't think she's the
most effective member of the council. I think she got
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involved in a lot of stuff. But she wants a
public defender, and she probably will get a public defender,
but she certainly should have the money to pay for
her own attorney. And while she might get the public defender,
I think she would be remiss if she continued to
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try to present her constituents. Now, if you are a
big supporter of hers and feel that she has done
a great job and you disagree with me, feel free
six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine,
three one ten thirty Again, indictments of Boston City councils
not unprecedented, but they don't happen every year. They don't
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happen every election, and it certainly does well. It doesn't
help the reputation of the city Council, and there are
a lot of people on that council who are trying
to do the best job they can. Let me go
to John in Boston. See what John thinks about this. John,
you're a Boston resident. I don't know if you're a
constituent of councilor Tanya Friend and Anderson or not. But
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do you think she should stay or should she resign?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Well, I'll be totally candid with you, Dan trest All,
I hope the Thanksgiving one well, Merry Christmas, and I
give it credit wearing a green dress there, God bless
And that being said, maybe she wore a green dress
because it's her favorite color. But I remember this very distinctively.
Chuck stew It, not Chuck stew It. I'm sorry the
Wars and Black City councils.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Chuck Turner. Chuck Turner.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, so I'm sorry those people. So you know what
I mean. Texted with his wife and the baby and
but anyways that Dan said, so I'm not going to
tell you what I did, but I think it was
his girlfriend. I packed the cal by the convention, signed
hout to hide it and I tagged it. And the
reason why I tagged it was because my father a
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one time on a fall a lot fell up the
laddile for it.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Are you are you a current or are you a
current or a former police officer?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
That's irrelevant. I graduated a police mom by transchool, but
believe it or that.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
But what I'm saying, John, I'm not asking a challenge.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
That's okay, I'm tired.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I mean, that's fine. So were you were you? Were
you a police officer?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I graduated a police fut by trans school, but I
was a transportation problem. So anyways, okay, that's fine. Problem.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
That's that's all I'm trying to John, John, just be
with me for a second. Okay. All I'm trying to
do is help you tell the story and from my
audience to understand the story. That's all. Go right ahead.
I'm not challenging you. I'm just asking for a plenty
of clarification. Well, thank you, go right ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
It Well, I went to chelse on High and there
was a thing called busting, but there was no more
busting in Wellesley.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Or that's totally irrelevant to what we're talking about here,
John Man. You were telling me a story about Chuck Turner,
the former city council.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
On a hydrant. Think of his car and hydrant and
before that he made a beef about his girlfriend getting
tagged and this guy was on a hydrant. I don't know.
I want to say it was his and uh, I
you think I rubbed the bank? But what's the old cliche?
How do you know what I mean? If you don't
know where I'm coming from, understanding I'm going. But yeah,
she's definitely get an attorney, and and uh whatever, how
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does the.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Chuck Let me let me John, let me ask you this.
How does the Chuck Turner story that you started to tell,
how does that relate to uh? Tanya?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I think I think she's looking for a failure. I
think she's looking for a failure. And I think why
she wants to stick on this because come January first,
to get a vacation sick time. But she should not
get a public defender. Now, I should shew, are you
she should? When when you got a problem, address it
because the more you procrastinate, it's going to escalate.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Well, she's going to have to she will have to
have counsel. Okay, Now, if she meets the qualifications and
she requests a public defender, she like anyone else, will
get a public defender. I think she's going to have
a hell decline there because she gets a salary of
one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars a year and most
people who get public defenders don't make anywhere near that. John, So.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
She's she's not Michael mcconock. But I think she should
address the you know, the bold by the Hans and
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Why are you bringing Mike mccormicks, John, You know what,
I just don't understand. You're taking me down here. You
know what, I think I gave you plenty of time
to make your point, John, and he did make it.
So I'm going to let you go for now. But
I appreciate you taking the time to call. Thank you
very much. Look, if you want to make a comment
with out bringing in irrelevant topics, I'd love to hear
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from you. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
six one seven nine three one ten thirty A city
council or Boston City councilor is under indictment. There are
there's been other city councilors who have faced Chuck Turner
et cetera that their cases are irrelevant to hers. She's
charged with basically putting relatives in the payroll. That's an
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ethical violation. She was fined for that. Then she hired someone,
and I'm not sure who this someone is. I think
they're called witness. A pretty clear who that witness is.
She hired them and gave that person virtually immediately, as
I understand the case, a thirteen thousand dollars rais and
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told the person that the quid pro quo for the
rays was that she would get thirteen thousand dollars. The
poor person probably would have to pay taxes on the
thirteen eight thousand dollars dollar raise, and Tanya Anderson Fernandez
Anderson allegedly got a seven thousand dollar kickback, and I
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don't suspect she's gonna declared that on her federal income tax.
So it's an interesting story. I think she should resign.
I think the Boston Herald thinks she resign. I believe
that there are other political leaders here. I'm told that
there's a very interesting city Council hearing tomorrow on Wednesday
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where some of this might be vented. And I just again,
I missed this story because I was off on Friday night,
and I'd like to just open it up on the
other side. Six one seven two five four ten thirty
six one seven nine thirty. Uh, if you are either
a Boston or resident, or someone who has any relationship
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with Boston, do you want a city councilor who's under
indictment ken enjoying the presumption of innocence until the trial
or until the verdict? Should she resign? I think she
resigned in her own interest to be able to fully
provide all the attention that is necessary to her own
defense with a council either court appointed which means free,
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or private council, which means she would have to pay
for it. Six one seven two five four ten thirty
six one seven nine p one ten thirty. Feel free
to join the conversation. If you are a supporter of hers,
you are more than welcome to call. If you are
someone who has never heard of her, but understand the circumstances,
you're also more than walking to call. We'll be back
on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Other city councils, and more importantly, the mayor has suggested
that she would resign. I'm suggesting she resign, although she
enjoys the presumption of innocence because I think it is
in her interest to focus solely upon her defense in court.
Let me go next to Joah, who checking in from Dorchester. Joe,
how are you tonight?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I'm doing fine, Schoel. What's your thought on this? Are
you a constituent of the counselor yes?
Speaker 5 (13:16):
I am?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
So what do you think? What would you tell her?
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Well, I don't think she should resign. I think because
I believe that due process needs to be heard and
done on the aspect that you know, we are a
country that we sit here we say innocent to proving guilty.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Correct, correct? Absolutely? I mentioned that twice now, two or
three times.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Yeah, So when we say innocent to proven guilty, when
you say you should resign, I should resign from my position,
that's automatically saying well to me, if I was saying
I'm guilty, I need to step back and also like
being submissive to what is going on here, because this
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is a bigger picture than what we are seeing here.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Well, before we get before we get to that, Joe,
let me let me defend my comment so that you're
clear on what I'm saying. She does enjoy a presumption
of innocence. People, Even when indictments are issued, the prosecution
will always remind reporters that the person who has been
indicted and enjoys the presumption of innocent and as to
all the elements of the crime have to be proven
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beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers. Now,
I am not saying she should resign because of what
she is accused of doing, or she is resigned. She
should resign because I believe she's guilty of what she's
accused of doing. That will be decided by the jury.
What I'm saying is that I don't know how someone
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can serve as a city council or full time, which
is her responsibility to her constituents and to the city
of Boston, and mount a vigorous defense against these allegations.
That's I'm just saying, it's in her interest to resign.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
So okay, So let's let's look at it from this aspect.
You a moment ago, you was talking about her being
able to provide legal counsel. Now, if we if she resigns,
she has no income. She's a mother of too, she
has no income. She has to pay rent, she has
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to eat, she has to provide and pay her bills,
glass and then still try to pay a lawyer. So
therefore that's not going to work.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
No, No, what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, and
again if you follow me here, I don't think that
while she's working as a city councilor however much work
she's doing advocating for her constituents like you and taking
care of whatever problems constituents like you might bring to
her attention, if she's being paid one hundred and fifteen
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thousand dollars the things she deserves to be you know,
represented by uh, you know council, a quart appointed council,
I think. I don't think anyone's making one hundred and
fifteen thousand dollars a year should do that. What I'm
saying is, if if she did resign to defend herself effectively,
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I then might say, well, you know, she no longer
has a job, she's she's resigned, she should have quart
appointed council because.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Who but you know, all the respect I mean in
that respect, of.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Course, quarter appointed council would not cost her anything.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Okay, so let's get let's get this right. So you know,
I have. I'm on that, Michelle Woolst. I'm the good
gentleman that you know that they love to do the
same thing to shut me up in the use of
legal system, you know, because that's what the Democrats have
been doing, and you know, and and for our clarity.
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This year, I supported Donald J. Trump because of our
rights and our free speech and the immigration thing that's
going on. So this year I rebelled against the Democratic
Party because I feel like the Democratic Party has been
doing really nasty things to people and not in overstepping
their boundaries with our rights and our free speech and
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our First Amendment and with our First Amendment in the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
So you feel this is an so I'm assuming that
you feel this is an attack upon Tanya Fernandez Anderson.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I mean, that's my personal feeling.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You ever write to all your personal opinions, you.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Know, And I'm not saying anyone is perfect. And I'm
not sitting here staying you know, I don't know all
the logistics of this case graft.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
So all I know is what I've read in the paper,
and I'm sure you've read read it in the paper
as well. So we're gonna you know, we're gonna agree
to disagree. Okay, I understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
I hope you know you're you're saying. Man, you know,
she should she should resign and to to do her case.
But I feel she should maintain her job and and
pay an attorney because I feel like a paid attorney
is going to have a better chances for her in
my opinion. And I also do know, just to make
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a note, uh, back when Chuck Turner was maybe he
rests in peace and when he's not resting now, but
when Chuck Turner was in office, and when they ousted him,
he came back out and sued the city because they
went against the laws, the city laws and the rules
and the and the and the the city or necess
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So therefore he's suon in won So do we want
to go back in that same role because Michelle who
has quite a few lawsuits against her, and I personally
can't wait for her to get out.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, no, she she does. Looks she herself is pretty
in battle at this point, there's no doubt. Look, I
appreciate you taking the time to call.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Okay, yeah, well, and I also have to say I
appreciate the fact that you can acknowledge that you know,
she do new process.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Oh sure, I mean everyone has a right to do process.
And I mean, you know it's difficult to say, but
even this this this guy, this coward that shot the
guy in the back in New York and who was
captured yesterday, he has a right to do process.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
I mean, yeah, everyone has a right to do process
in this that's the country you live in. Before I leave, okay,
said the said, and I know you've said it as
well in your on going by what you leave, they
say she's the other the employee A is a co
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operating witness. Well, I mean that's a family member. That's
the point I'm want to make. Uh employee is not
a family member. I just want to make that, Claire.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay, I don't I don't know that because I'm not
involved in any way, shape or forming the case. I'm
not covering the case as a reporter. If when I
was a reporter, I would try to work my sources
and get as much information as I can. I will
take it. You sound like a reasonable guy, and you're
a gentleman, and I can I will accept what you say,
(20:27):
and people can wait at against whatever has been reported
in the papers, but do me.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
This family member. So I just want to make.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That Claire, okay, well, thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
My family, so I know, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Well, continue to continue to listen to Night Side and
call call myself. I've had I've had counselor for an
Endus Anderson on this show before. She has, you know,
been involved in some of these I don't know, you know,
controversial incidents. There that incident where she went to last year,
I think it was to mass and casts and some
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she was taking pictures and some someone stole her cell
phone and uh and she recovered it, thankfully. So she's
been the victim of crime and here she's she's accused
of a crime. Joah, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
I look forward to Oh you have a great.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Even so thanks good six one seven, two, five four
ten thirty. One line there in six one seven, nine three,
one ten thirty. Should Daniel Fernandez Anderson City councilor from
Boston from you know, parts of Dorchester and Roxbury. I
believe I'm I get confused by the districts these days.
(21:42):
Should she resign while she's fighting this this indictment. I
think it's in her best interest to resign period is
that is not in any way, shape or form an
indictment or or a belief that she's She's facing serious charges,
but those charges are nothing proven in court. Back on
Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Hey you very much, Dan Walkins. I'm reading from an
article on Saturday Adrian Walker, who was I think someone
who is favorably disposed towards Fernandez Anderson. Her district includes
parts of the South End in Fenway. He said she's
a trailblazer, first Muslim city council, first African immigrant, got
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off to a strong start taking charge of the council's
most important committee, the one that handles the city budget.
He writes, though if we're being honest, she pretty quickly
seemed overwhelmed in that role. Fernandez Anderson spoke frequently about
the challenges of being a black woman and an immigrant
in a city government historically and friendly to both. She's
been polarizing in the truest sense of the term. Her
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admirers would walk through fire for her. Her detractors, and
there were more than a few, would say she accomplished little.
That's again fairly balanced argument here. Besides picking a lot
of pointless fights, he goes on to say Mayor Michelle
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will when other local leaders call the Fernandas Anderson to
resign on Friday. Fernandus Anderson to resign Friday. My guess
is that she hasn't gone anywhere in the near term
as far as the city Council is concerned. She's innocent
until proven guilty, in her day in court is probably
far off. So this is a bad day for the
Boston City Council for trust in city government. It will
only start to reinforce the ever present notion that leaders
herself serving and corrupt, and it reflects the fact that
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if a city council is willing to ignore the rules,
there aren't many good ways to ring them in. Fernandres
Anderson came into office pledging to be a powerful representative
of the city's routinely marginalized voices. At her best, she's
been exactly that, squandering that opportunity, and for so little
seven thousand dollars, that's my comment, would be a huge
loss for everyone she claimed to represent. And walker very balanced,
(24:02):
I thought and thoughtful column in The Boston Globe on Saturday,
and one that I'm sure he did not write with
any sense of glee. Where are we going to go next?
Let's go next and let me talk with Rashid, who's
checking in from Dorchester as well. Rashid, welcome next to Nightside.
How are you.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
I'm well, Dan, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
So what do you think? My thought is that she
should resign because it's very difficult to fight a federal
indictment while maintaining your position as an elected official and
serving her constituents.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Well, Dan, I think calls for her to resign that
ship has passed. He should have resigned when she hired
her son and sister to a city government position and
gave them double salaries. She should have resigned when she
refused to take the the oath of office just last year.
(25:03):
I mean, she has been a disaster on the council,
and every blunder that she has made warranted resignation. But
I think I want, you know, everybody to think about
this when we talk about resignation, I think obviously beating
the dead horses the Chuck Turner lawsuit. We all know
the rules there, but she's clearly broke according to the
(25:28):
you know, I think it was in the indictment that
she was missing car payments, he was missing rent payments.
He has no money, she's not paying for an attorney.
Clearly there's a financial issue here, and I think, honestly,
if you any of us were in her position, she's
gonna sit there collect that one p fifteen for the
(25:49):
rest of the year while she fights this case, which
he possibly will lose, and you know, at least go
to federal prison with a few bucks in her pocket.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, I get it, but I guess I guess you
can be she could be a no show city councilor
if she wanted to be. I don't think that's her style.
I just I remember that I had forgotten about that.
She refused I think to when she was sworn in
(26:22):
place her hand on.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
You guys broke it.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
You broke it.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
I mean there was a watchdog group that broke it,
but you were the one who brought it to the radio.
And she came on your show to say, Oh, I
was saying it silently in my head, It's like, what
are we doing?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, no, I don't know. I was glad she came
on the show, and I was glad that she claimed
what she claimed because I think people then could evaluate.
It didn't make a difference because she was re elected
pretty handily. She didn't have much of a serious competition,
although I guess there are now a couple of candidates
who are stirring around in her district, which includes I
(26:58):
guess Roxbury as well as part of the Fenway in
the in the south End. So she represents an interesting district.
It's not monolithic in any sense of the term. You know, look,
we have not had the best and the brightest on
the Boston City Council over the years. Kendralaara, you crash
came the city councilor who for years, I guess, was
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driving around town without a driver's licensing. How can you
how can you pretend to be a city council or
be a city councilor if you're going to ignore the
rules of just striving And here she's she's gonna engage
in nepotism of the highest order by hiring a son
and a daughter, uh and then giving them pay raises
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virtually immediately.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
I mean, yeah, an employee like it comes to the bathroom,
give me seven grand. And then you also forgot Arroyo
and Rollins who try to democratically steal an election. They're
both rest democracy and you know, it's just crazy. And
I don't know what the people of Boston are are.
I mean, I can't blame the people because I mean
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they're not really given the best options. I encourage those
who are listening on your show. Maybe somebody can get inspired.
Run for public office. You live in Boston, you're a good,
decent human being. Run for public office. We need you.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, what I well, there have been people. I think
that her challenger was Roy Owens, who comes from a
family of a political family in Roxbury. But if I
were a young lawyer living in Dorchester, Roxbury and I
was making fifty thousand dollars a year, you know, get
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small claims cases and you know, and representing people who
have been charged with driving under this is an opportunity
for them to break out. And someone goes and spend
some time campaigning these offices. These offices are all winnable.
I mean, it's not at the race ten million dollars
to win one of these races, and you get a
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group of people who support you and you you go
in and you do a good job. You know, at
some point you might become the mayor of Boston.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
I mean, yeah, but look at the mayor all's race.
I mean, who do we even have We don't even
have a lineup. No, we're what eleven ten, ten to
eleven months out, nobody has said, hey, I want to
run against the most politically vulnerable mayor in the history
of the city of Boston. Like, we haven't even had
anybody step up. I don't know. I don't know what's
(29:32):
going on.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I suspicion someone will step up at some point. But
the question is, in order to be an incumbent mayor,
it takes a lot here in Boston. I mean, you know,
the power of the incumbency is great. Certainly Mayor Woo
was involved in all sorts of fights. It was I
talked about today. I think it's one of the one
(29:55):
of the articles in the Boston World today with North
End business owners and other parts of the city. She
she has she's really gone out of her way to
alienate people.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Yes, sometimes the Bacco Thank you Senator Collins for blogging that.
You know, Yeah, that's data even being provided properly. I mean,
I don't know, I don't know if.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Well, she's a disaster.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You got to go back a long time to see
an incumbent mayor of Boston defeated. You know, Kevin White
ran four times and he retired. Ray Flynn went to
the Vatican. Tom Monina was there twenty years and he retired.
Marty Walsh went to the to the Biden cabinet. Is
now the secretary of the National Hockey League. And I
believe that that Michelle wou doesn't she doesn't want to
(30:45):
continue as mayor. For like, she's not a Tom Menino,
she's not a Marty Walsh. She has her.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Yes, maybe Trump with a pointer, Dan, maybe he will
make an ambassador or something.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I don't think so. I think she wants she has her.
She's looking at Liz Warren sent it seat and she's.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Looking Oh, she's looking at her Marquie Markey, And I
don't think he looks too hot, Dan, I don't think
he looks too hot. So maybe he Joe.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
At Marky surprised a lot of people with his strength,
particularly with younger people. And Mark he's not up now
for well, I guess he's up uh in twenty six years? Yeah, yeah,
So who knows things? Two years is a lifetime in politics,
Rashid always interesting, challenging call. Thank you, my friend. I
really appreciate you. Thank you, Dan, talk to you soon, buddy.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
All Right, gonna take quick break. I got Jack and Bill.
You guys stay, They're going to get you in for sure.
If anyone else wants to join this conversation, feel free.
Six months, seven two, five, four, ten thirty six months
seven nine, three, one, ten thirty. Again. I if you're
a Boston listener, this does affect you. It affects your city. Uh,
your voice should be heard back on NIGHTSID after this.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
All right, let's go to Jack and Newton. Jack, you
next to Nightside Welcome.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
Yeah, well, thank you Jack Porter. I'm gonna take a
little bit of different slant on as I'm a sociologist
and I see a definite pattern here with women who
are black or minority, single mothers possibly or even men.
(32:28):
They are just there's not just three or four, it's
turning into like four or five of them. And you're
talking about mister Arroyo, Chuck Turner, Dorris Wilkinson, Richelvell. So
my theory is possibly two things. One they feel entitled
to it, like, oh, I'm so oppressed and I work
(32:48):
so hard to get to this position. I can do something.
I can do things that are not you know, one
hundred percent kosher, or they don't have a good self
image and the stress of being in that job. They
maybe didn't feel like they don't deserve it.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I don't know, Jack, I mean, each each case is
different onto itself. There are a lot of white political
leaders who have gotten themselves in trouble for the same thing.
I think that Look at Diane Wilkinson was caught on
camera stuffing cash into her bra I mean, that was,
(33:28):
you know, a classic case. But she's she's come back.
She's had a political comeback sorts. You know, back in
the day, James Michael Curley ran for office from from jail.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
So I right, But I'm talking about in the last
five or six or ten years we've had this particular
I'm talking as I'm making a sociological observation, But there's
a whole bunch.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Of there's a whole bunch of black women at the
Attorney General. To come with Andrea Campbell is black there's
been no scandal.
Speaker 7 (34:00):
I get this all the time because it's always the accepted.
But that's what I do. I generalize as a sociologist.
I see a pattern here.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
No, I get I'm not trying to I'm not trying to.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
Argue that, actually, what's that I'd like to Maybe your
callers can give me an answer to this. I'm not
putting it down. I'm not saying that something intrinsically wrong
with you know, black women or whatever. I'm just trying
to figure out a pattern here.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
For this pattern. It's like it's like saying that the
best players in the NBA are over six ft ten. Uh. Yeah,
that might be true because they have the height advantage,
But then you have guys like Steph Curry, who's who's
probably six ' one, who for a time was the best.
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I just think that generalizations tend to generally get people trouble.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
That's all. That's my job as a social You don't
have the sociological asentation and that you want to go there.
But I'm trying to figure this out. Maybe someone in
the audience can explain.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
You see, if someone reacts to it, it's as simple
as that. I mean there's a lot of uh you know,
black members uh in Congress about whom there's that no
uh no scent of of problems. Uh I I don't.
I don't agree with Ia Presley un much as you
probably know. But but you know, she served as the
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city council, got elected to Congress, and uh, you know again,
I think.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
Look, well it really hurt me. For example, when Chuck
Turner you know, did what he did, or even then
they said they didn't have enough money. Maybe money is
an issue, but but there are many city councilors that
also may have money problems, but they don't do things
that are not legal, you know what I mean. You
can't use that ague.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
But I don't. But again, you I just don't want
anyone to say, oh, they were talking about black politicians
being more likely to do I think that that.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
I just be a pattern in this in this city,
all right, in the last ten years. I'm not going
to generalize on Well, there's other cities.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
You could go to Marilynd Mosby down who was who's
a Boston Bostonian, grew up in Boston, she was elected
in Baltimore. She's in she's in trouble. So yeah, you
get the Mayor of New York.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
Eric Adams my theory.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I get it. I get it.
Speaker 7 (36:28):
This is a good theory. Let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Well, let's say, let's see if I'm to react Jack again,
thank you very much. Jack is one of my more
liberal members. Let me make that very clear. Thanks Jack,
Doctor Sue Bill and Natick Bill next on Knights. Go
right ahead, Bill, Yes, Hi.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
First of all, I wasn't gonna say anything about it,
but a call like that makes me annoyed that someone's
trying to pull someone's trying to even if he's uncertain,
to make any kind of racial connection to this. I
don't think that's productive. The reason why I called.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
That's why. By the way, Billy, just.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Let me let me finish.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Let me just let me just and then you'll be
able to finish. I just wanted you to note that
I disagreed with Jack on his theory. Just please.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
It doesn't I understand he disagreed, but he got airtime,
and I think it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I mean, so go ahead, here's your time.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
I think it's It doesn't make any difference whether it's
a talk show host or a caller like me, or
anyone who is not in the electorate that elected this
city councilor it is not relevant or important for anyone
else to weigh in this except the people who voted
for her. That's my opinion. Can you imagine a convicted
(37:48):
felon being a president? Can you imagine a convicted sexual
abuser being a president? It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
It always to those of you who sentence, Let me
do my syndrome, it always consists, has nothing to do
with Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Let me finish my sentence. What I'm saying is is
that it has to do exactly with the electorate who
wants the person to be in office or not? And
you do not. This talk show hosts Jimmy, this talk
show doesn't know what her what her supporters, or her
electric feel about this. So I think she has every
(38:27):
right to stay in office. She may have significant financial problems,
and until she's convicted, then she should then be Then
the electorate she may have to resign. But until she's convicted,
the electorate is the one who put her there, and
they're the ones who should allow her to stay there.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
And I think everything stay, everything get built. It doesn't
you want to have want to make a speech doesn't work. Okay,
don't try to imply that I'm not doing what I'm
supposed to do. I talk about issues of controversy. Okay, uh,
And you listen to the talk show enough to know
(39:06):
that I I range far and wide to pick issues
of of of that people are interested in. That's that's
all I'm saying. And this is an issue you know, go,
you know, tell that to Michelle Wu. She's the mayor
of Boston. She she didn't vote for Tanya Fernandez Anderson
(39:28):
because she doesn't live in the district. So so if
you've got a problem with someone calling for her resignation,
talk go call Michelle will see if she takes your call.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I'm only interested in one thing, Dan, You have every
right to have any subjects you want because you're there
to do a job. You're you're there to do a
job to have people be interested, including myself call in.
My point is, it doesn't make a difference what anyone
feels except the people who elected her. Period.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
The only person who's going to make the difference in
all reality is herself. Because she could have one hundred
people in her district come to her tomorrow and say
we want you to resign. That might influence her, but
she's the one who will have to make that decision. Bill,
you're challenging call. I wish I could give you more time,
but it's eleven o'clock. Uh. And please continue to call,
(40:19):
challenge me anytime you want, but don't challenge my integrity. Okay.
Well I was cutting a whiff of it, Bill, and
and I you know, when you started to talk about
me allowing Jack Jack's point of view, he he's welcome
to call this show. You're welcome. Everyone is welcome to
call this show. That's what I run here. It's an
(40:41):
it's an open forum. There are certain points of view
that I'm not going to allow. If someone's gonna call
and spew obvious racism, uh, I don't tolerate that, Okay,
Or hatred toward a group of people because of their
ethnic background, I don't tolerate that. But a point of
view is permitted. That's all. That's what that's what this
(41:03):
show is all about. And it'll stay that way as
long as I'm behind the microphone. You are always welcome
to call and argue with me. And I enjoyed your
phone call. I'm really I mean that seriously, I'm not
I'm not saying that to you in any way other
than with complete sincerity. Thanks for calling and we'll talk soon.
Thanks Bill, We'll take a quick break. Here's the eleven
(41:24):
o'clock news. I'm willing to continue this conversation if you want.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. Bruins lost a squeaker to
the Winnipeg Jets that I eight to one out in Winnipeg.
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