February 3, 2025 • 40 mins
Gary Tanguay Fills In On NightSide with Dan Rea
This year there will be another mayoral election in Boston. It was recently announced that Josh Kraft, a longtime nonprofit leader, and son of New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, plans to run against incumbent mayor, Michelle Wu. Kraft has yet to make an official announcement but has filed the necessary paperwork to run for mayor of Boston. While Mayor Wu has not officially launched her re-election campaign, Kraft is her first competitor this Fall. CBS Boston political analyst Jon Keller joined Gary to discuss!
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This year there will be another mayoral election in Boston. It was recently announced that Josh Kraft, a longtime nonprofit leader, and son of New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, plans to run against incumbent mayor, Michelle Wu. Kraft has yet to make an official announcement but has filed the necessary paperwork to run for mayor of Boston. While Mayor Wu has not officially launched her re-election campaign, Kraft is her first competitor this Fall. CBS Boston political analyst Jon Keller joined Gary to discuss!
Ask Alexa to play WBZ NewsRadio on #iHeartRadio and listen to NightSide with Dan Rea Weeknights From 8PM-12AM!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZY Boston's news video. Well,
good evening, how are we doing. I'm cold. I'm sick
and tired of the cold. Now I know what it's
like to be old. I just made a poem. That's gross.
Gary Tanguay, Here tonight, folks in for Dan Ray. Really
(00:25):
I am. I put salt out on the walk, chopped
up the ice. There was a time where I thought
Winner was wonderful around here. It's over, It's done. I
understand when people get to a certain age they just
hate it. They just do period. End of story. So
having said that, that's right, I guess that's kind of
all I got to bitch about. Well, you can always
(00:47):
find a lot to bitch about if you really thought
about it. But this is where I am with politics now,
and hopefully we're going to talk to John Kellery's schedule
to join us here. And before I give you the
rundown of the show, prior to the last few days,
my opinion on politics was I'm sticking my head in
the sand or current events period. I'm just sticking my
(01:10):
head in the sand. I don't want to know. I'm
just gonna stay inside my house I'm gonna watch The Diplomat.
I'm gonna watch some movies. I'm gonna read some books.
I'm gonna hang out with my family. I'm gonna do
a little teaching. I'll talk to Bob Bryan on a
(01:32):
podcast twice a week. But I'm not gonna pay attention
to anything in the real world. I'm not gonna do
it because it's too scary and it's too depressing. I mean,
my god, those poor people in Washington with the Blackhawk
helicopter in the airline crash. I mean, it just breaks
your freaking heart. I can't. I don't know what happens.
(01:56):
You know, maybe you get a little you're sensitive when
you're younger, and you're more sensitive when you're older. In between,
you're kind of like, eh, I can handle it. Maybe
it's because you're busy, you know, you're thirty or forty, Ah,
you blow it off. You get in the fifties, maybe
you become a little more sensitive. But I can't watch
the coverage anymore. I mean, for the families from Boston,
(02:19):
Oh my god, the skaters, and it just brings tears
to your eyes. You know, I need to think you
need a therapist after watching the six thirty news. You
really do. It's so damn depressing. And then I started,
I knew this show was coming up, and I said,
you know what, Gar you gotta you gotta, you gotta
(02:40):
buck up a little bit here. You really do, stop
being such a whimp. Now that doesn't mean I have
to watch CNN or MSNBC or Fox News and twenty
four hour news coverage. I mean that could really drive
you crazy. But I got to pay attention. Not because
I'm doing a talk show with Dan Ray. And believe me,
(03:01):
I would never try to say I'm as knowledgeable as
Dan Ray. But I think it's my duty as a citizen.
I need to pay attention. I need to keep an
eye on things a little bit. We all have to
because it seems like everything's going to hell. I mean,
(03:22):
you got Musk who's shutting down stuff. He wants to
shut down usaid and he doesn't even we didn't elect him.
I mean, he's Trump's buddy and he's going around shutting
down things. But is he wrong? Maybe he's right to
(03:45):
do it. I don't know. This guy's made trillions of dollars.
He's not stupid. Is he just shutting something down to
be a dink or is he shutting it down because
it's not working. Stay tuned on that. Now. When Trump
came out with these tariffs, you know a lot of people,
(04:10):
especially a business, thought he was crazy and so forth,
and he just says it. He just said that's the
way it's going to be. He got to hand it
to him. Look, I didn't vote for the guy I thought. Look,
as far as the presidential election was concerned, I wasn't
thrilled with either choice. But now Mexico is saying they're
going to send ten thousand troops to the border to
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stop the drug trade or help stop the drug trade.
Canada is now coming to the table and it's going
to have discussions with Trump on how we can stop
drugs coming in from Canada. Now, from what I understand,
the majority of it comes from Mexico. And I also
sometimes I get confused with illegal immigration, with people crossing
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the border. I think almost ninety nine percent of it
come from the South and one percent comes from the North.
I believe that's what the situation is. So maybe I'm
confusing that with the drugs a little bit. Trump is crazy.
He just says stuff. He just says stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
He's got Canada and Mexico talking. So when Trump first
came out and said I'm putting these terrorists in because
of the drug trade, I have to be honest with you.
I am just such a pessimist. I just believe drugs
will be in our society forever because they always have been.
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People don't want to look at the situation realistically. People
have been using narcotics to numb themselves, to self medicate
since the beginning of humankind, whether it's chewing on a root,
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or whether it's smoking a leaf, or whether it's drinking
some sort of kind of concoction from a still, this
society has never been drug free. I gotta be honest
with you. I don't think we can handle it. I
don't think humankind can exist without some sort of medication.
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Now I'm not saying, oh, let's make cocaine, you know, legal,
and let's just go jump into a pile of the
white stuff, but without either some anxiety medicine from your doctor,
without the three high balls after you get home from work,
or with the glass of wine from dinner, or with
the joint you go out and you smoke on the
back patio. I don't think we can as a society.
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We cannot get through life unmedicated. It can't be done.
We've never done it. We've never done it. Period. So
now they're gonna send ten thousand troops to the border
to stop the drugs, Well, well they're at it, they
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might as well help with the legal immigration as well.
And maybe that is the case. Maybe I've missed that.
But if that's a lot of people, But does it
really matter whether it's one, two, three, four or five thousand,
ten thousand Mexican show soldiers at the border. If the
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cartels run the country. The cartels basically run the country.
They have all the money, they have all the power.
They do I mean, they just do. They run the
country in Mexico. So are there ten thousand soldiers going
to stop that? Do they know where the tunnels are?
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Because the way I see it, when it comes to
drugs infiltrating the country, it's not like the cartel sands
a battalion across the border. They said it through tunnels.
They pay people off. They have a way to do
it that no one knows. So you might have ten
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thousand guys above ground, who knows. Maybe they're going through
tunnels underneath. I don't know, but we could call Trump
crazy with the terriffs, but he's got people coming to
the table, and he's made his point clear. I'm not
optimistic when it comes to stopping the drug trade. I'm
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just not. People need to drink, people need to smoke,
people need to get high. It sucks, It sucks, but
we are a chemically dependent society. But when Trump first
put this out to twenty five twenty five, I thought
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he was nuts. What do I know? He got these
guys to the table six one seven six one seven
two five four ten thirty. Yes, I did forget the
number for a minute. Excuse me? Could you do better?
You probably could. Gotta take some calls on this and
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uh run down the rest of the show coming up next.
I'm Gary tag Away for Dan Ray. This is Night's Side.
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. Gary tag Away
for Dan Ray tonight six thirty. I didn't realize I
was gonna be so pessimistic tonight. I got an I'll
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be honest with you when I open up the show.
I I don't know what I'm gonna say I stopped
planning a long time ago. I just when I plan,
I get nervous. A lot of people get nervous when
they don't plan. When I plan, I get nervous, I
get anxious. I don't like it. I want to go
on blind, Flying Blind, And I started out talking about
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the fact that Trump obviously, ay, he's got Canada and
Mexico talking to him, but I still don't think ten
thousand Mexican soldiers are going to stop the drugs. We
have been a society addicted to some sort of chemical
forever and it's never going to change, all right. Maybe
(10:34):
Gary and Woolburn will talk me off the ledge about that.
Let's see if I can get this computer work. Gary,
you're up on wbz's Nightside.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Well, I definitely am a big Trump fan, and I'm
not going to argue with you and so forth. But
I want to say one thing.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
You just said.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Something was so interesting. Basically you had an expression wing
it wig wing it, and I got to give you
credit for that. You're just going on your own merit
of what's on your mind right now to give the credit. Now,
couple things, Were you a Biden fan?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
No, I haven't been a fan of anybody, to be
honest with you, No, I'm not a Biden fan. I'm
not a Trump fan just because of his behavior. Just
there's gotta be some decorum with the presidency. So I'm
just not I wasn't a fan of either one, quite honestly.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Okay, Well, let me give you three things in a
defensive you and myself. What I don't like about Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Three.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Well, the combination of the arrogance and bad behavior is
that it all rolls into one number two. I still
to this day it irritates the heck guy of me.
I'm sixty one years of age, that he made fun
of John McKeen when he was dead to say he
wasn't a national hero.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Gary, Absolutely, I mean, there's no doubt in what you're saying.
It's just it's appalling, it's disgusting. But yet he won
the presidential election handily. He wanted handly. I mean he
wanted going on. I mean, I don't know about going away,
but listen, he won both votes. All right, Gary, thanks
(12:13):
for the phone call. I appreciate it. All right. John
Keller's going to join us right now from CBS Boston.
John how you doing tonight.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
I'm good Gary. My apologies for being late.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
John.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You never have to apologize to me. I just open
up the mic at like eight oh seven and start talking.
I really don't care at this point in time. I
don't plan for anything. I just said, yeah, I just can't.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I don't know if I'm saying makes sense. But I
don't know about you. But people used to say to me,
do you plan? I go. I gotta be honest with you.
If I plan, I get nervous. I do I get nervous.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
That's the way to go.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Let it rip.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
All right, So John, thanks for coming on. We're gonna
you know, we're gonna talk about the mayoral race here
in Boston. But the whole thing now, I just want
to kicking things off with Trump. You know, I wasn't
thrilled with either candidate, and just the way you know,
President Trump behaves, he just strives me nuts. But man,
he's got him coming to the table. Twenty five percent
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for Canada, twenty five percent for Mexico, and now they're talking.
And now Mexico says they're going to send ten thousand
troops to the border to stop the drug trade. I
think stopping the drug trade is impossible. But I'm a
pestimate pessimist when it comes to that. What do you
think about Trump's negotiating so far?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Well, you know, I want to see the end result
of the negotiation.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I think most voters are not, you know, kind of
hanging on the daily news cycle about this or anything else.
They want to see how this is going to affect
them and their cause of living and their quality of life,
and what we get is it as a country. I mean,
(14:03):
I certainly Trump supporters above maybe all other voters are
attuned to the idea of politicians not exactly telling the
truth about what's going on or engaging in performance art.
Is that what's going on right now with Mexico and
(14:25):
Canada is some sort of elaborate performance art where Trump
saber rattles and they rattle their sabers back, and oh,
they're moving troops to the border. Well what does that
really mean? So I think it's wait and see.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I'm just pessimistic when it comes to the drug war.
I believe the cartels are in Mexico. When I take
a look at drugs, I take a look at everything.
I just feel as a society, not just the United States,
but the world since Caven could chew roots. I mean,
there's been some sort of form of chemical pendency and
some there's self medication, and I just you know, to me,
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it's it's prevention, it's it's I mean, it's just like
a fire will never be able to put out, and
I don't know if even ten thousand soldiers at the
border will stop it.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, I mean, the drug war, what it's been going
on for decades. The failure of the immigration system and
the failures of the border I've been going on for decades,
right right, So you know, these are tough situations. And
(15:42):
I guarantee you neither Donald Trump nor anyone else is
waving any magic wand solving any of these problems.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Oh no, there's no doubt. But you know something, John,
I wonder both of them are massive problems. We understand that.
I mean, Trump just acts like he's gonna, you know,
in one fell swoop everything. Which it's unbelievable that he
got elected because he talked about building a wall to
I mean, he talks about doing things all the time
and they never come true. But we still elected him,
which I blame. I mean, I'm a registered Democrat. I
(16:11):
did not vote for him, but I you know, I
blame the Democrats because if you couldn't beat this guy,
what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Well? I would say this again. You know, people in
the end want to see results. That was a big
problem for Joe Biden, no doubt when it came to
getting inflation under control and food prices. And now it's
Trump's problem. We'll see how it works out for him.
(16:41):
But you know, give Trump credit as a shrewd campaigner
and political figure, and he identifies the biggest areas of
discontent and then promises to take action on them in
a way that drastically different from the way it's being
(17:02):
tried now. So people think that status quo under Biden
is a failure, you bet they're going to be open
to something dramatically different. So, you know, I think a
lot of the reason why Biden beat Trump in twenty twenty,
and by the way he did beat him. Okay, let's
(17:24):
yeah that yeah, we agree on that, is that people
felt that Trump hadn't delivered on a lot of his promises.
You mentioned one, you know, dealing with the border. Remember
how COVID was going to be over by Eastern. So
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broken promises are poison for a political figure. And I
don't think in the end, don't Trumps any exception to that.
But it's what is it week three? So the jury's out?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
What do you think of Musk? I'm just opening that
question up. I'm just gonna let you.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I you know, I have a bad attitude about them.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I can't imagine.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Why starting with and I know the obviously judging from
the sales figures over the years, although they're not doing
that great lately. People love the Tesla. Tesla certainly revolutionized
the auto industry extent. But every time I see one
of those things, what is it called the new Tesla's
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that look like little mini tanks?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I hate them.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
What do they call them?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
There's a name for it.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I'm like, don't worry about it, John, it's not important.
We all know what they look like.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah, I just laughed out loud.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I mean, they look so dumb, and apparently you can't
get them clean for some reason. They come out of
the factory and the finish is all rough on them.
You can't get them all.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Oh, they look gross. It looks like something out of
a junk yard. Oh no, yeah, I know it's the
uh lucium. Oh the god, I can't even read it.
They have the what the heck it look like? No,
I'm looking at it right now. And the way they
have it written on the website here, I'm trying to
figure out it's the they have it in some fan
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the range extender. What it's called something like that, the
range extend Yeah, I I don't. I don't know why
anybody would drive one. I really don't. It's not it can,
but it cannot be. It cannot be a magnet of
the opposite sex or of the sex you are attempting
to attract.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Oh well, now now we're starting to get into like
a scene from one of your novels. Get you know,
I'm a grandfather here. Please don't drag me into this.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Thank you, first of all, thank you for reading it.
I appreciate that. But but so this whole thing today,
like with USA, must comes in and he shuts this
down or says he's going to shut it down. I mean,
this guy's just running rampant. What do you how long
is he going to last? Will Trump get tired? Of
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him like he does all his friends.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Well, you know, that's that's a fair question. And uh,
I think the fact that he's moving so fast it
maybe kicks you off as to what must himself thinks
his shelf life is going to be.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, right, right, trying.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
To just sort of you know, break as much furniture
and glassware as he can. And there's short a period
of time. And look, uh you know that was.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I'm not endorsing anything that's going on now. I don't
think by saying, you know, this is what they promised
to do, this is what Trump promised, So I don't
understand why anyone would be surprised. You know, there's a
lot of handwringing about the site of a completely I
(21:19):
don't like a guy who's not even a sworn civil servant, right,
he's sort of this he has some kind of weird
status that's not the normal. He's not a normal government employee.
Let's look at that, not at all. And he has
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no restraints on him apparently, and that's a little bit scary.
I don't think in their sober moments, people want anyone
to have that kind of power over us.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
No, I agree, Can you hang on for one more segment. Sure, okay,
John Keller's with us from CBS Boston. I do want
to get into the mayor race here in Boston as well.
We'll talk a little more Trump, and we still have
calls to get to. We will do that guys, towards
the top of the hour right here on the Dan
Ray Show on Night Side. I'm Gary Tangley. We'll be
right back night with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news Radio.
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Right Gary Tank for Dan Ray. John Keller's with CBS Boston. John,
thanks again for joining us getting back to this. Did
you see the movie of The Apprentice?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Uh, the recent one, the dramatization. No, I haven't seen
it yet. Is it good?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
You have to watch dude, it's I don't It's entertainment.
You have to watch it. Okay. Look, I'm not saying
you should be Harvard should not use this like for
any for anything in your class. But I'll tell you this.
I think it does explain Trump, and I think the
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acting is great in it, which I love. But as
you see Trump mature in the movie, he's been lying
his whole life, that's it. He's been like what he's
doing now. He's been doing for forty years. But he
just did it in business, So why stop now, you know.
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That's that's the thing, Like, this isn't new to him.
This is how he's done it. This has been his
playbook from day one. That's what I think.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
I'm looking forward to seeing it. And by the way,
you know, just because it's Harvard doesn't mean it isn't trashy.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Okay, sorry, I.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Mean, but he Donald Trump, whatever else you might want
to say about him, is one of, if not the
most brilliant self marketer of his generation. But he's I
(23:59):
think that's point. After what he just pulled off, you
have to say he has, if not the best, one
of the best understandings of American politics, how it interacts
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with the culture, and how to exploit and manipulate it.
I don't think it's unreasonable or unfair to call him
a genius at that. And you know, the proof is
right there, you know, in the election results. So that
may be a dismaying or demoralizing fact, but I think
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it's a fact. So yes, you're right. I mean, it's funny, Gary,
I got interested in Trump way back in the eighties
when he was just getting up ahead of steam in
Manhattan real estate. I used to read Spy Magazine, Remember
Spy Magazine and Trump. It was this snarky magazine that
(25:10):
sort of closely followed the cummings and goings of New
York celebrities, and Trump certainly set the bill. They after
a while settled on a stock phrase. Every time his
name would be mentioned in the magazine, it would be
preceded by the words short fingered, vulgarian Donald Trump, and
(25:31):
that every reference, month after month, year after year. Anyway,
I got interested in Trump, and I read pretty much
every biography about him that I could get my hands on,
and yeah, you know, everything his critics say about him
is true, and everything that is fans admire about him,
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or at least what makes him an effective paul is
also true and is brilliant in its own way. Call
it diapa if you want, but I think we've got
to recognize from that standpoint what's going on here. It's
a phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well, have a glass of wine, your favorite beverage, however
you choose to medicate or maybe you don't, and watch
the movie and just realize it's a movie. But the
acting's great. I mean, it's it's great switching gears here.
Let's talk about the May race. Full disclosure. I worked
with the Crafts. I like the Crafts. I've had coffee
with Josh Kraft. I like them. I have not met
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Michelle Wou. I do not live in Boston, so I'm
not voting here. I find this very interesting that and
it's been documented. I mean, Josh had donated to Wo's
campaign in the past, and I don't believe she's committed
yet to run, but maybe that's just a technicality. Are
you surprised that these two will oppose each other.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
A little bit?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I mean, first of all, I don't know very much
yet about Josh Crap. I've never met him. I'm actually
gonna sit down and do an interview with him later
on this week.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Something you'll enjoy it. I mean, look, I'm not I'm
just looking. I'm gonna tell him you will enjoy the conversation.
I mean, he's probably the smartest of them all. I
mean they're all very bright. Robert was very big, Robert
and Meyer are very big on education. He's probably the
smartest of all those sons.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah, well, so you know, I'm glad that there's gonna
be a race. It's depressing when an important job like
mayor of Boston goes uncontested, no matter no matter how
good the incumbent is. So that's a good thing. Like
I say, I don't really know him. I have followed
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Michelle Who's career, and I would say two things about
this race right A, is it as it gets going,
if in fact it's gonna go, And that is that
she's not invulnerable. There are some weaknesses there, and judging
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from the announcement video that Josh Craft released, he understands
what they are and is going to talk about them.
And the other thing to know about this race is
that it's going to be a real uphill battle for
Josh Craft or anyone else because Michelle Wu is a
really really good retail politician with a strong, well cultivated
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base of support and political machine within the city. And they're,
you know, whatever the ups and downs of the Wu years,
and there have been plenty of them, they're not going
to roll over and watch her get swept out. And
I'm not sure yet if there's enough anti Humban's sentiment, unhappiness,
(29:03):
anxiety within the Boston electorate to sweep her out. I
think that remains to be seen.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, that's fine. That's why I found it interesting that
Josh ran I think that this is just my read
on the situation because I've covered the Patriots forever and
I know that look what he's done for the Boys
and Girls Club, it's well documented. I've talked to people
that have worked with him, and I'm not campaigning for
either one. Look, she's obviously people like her. She seems
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to be a very nice lady. The thing about like
Josh is he's like a billionaire that does all this
charity work. And I don't know if people can wrap
their heads around that, you know what I mean. I mean,
he's his mother's son. So like the fact that he
is a billion I mean, he comes from a billionaire family.
Even though he's very charitable and he's very civic minded,
(29:58):
I don't know if the money background.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Hurts well, you know, listen, the fact that you're wealthy
doesn't always compromise your chances in Massachusetts politics. That seems
to recall Mitt Romney, You're nowhere and did very well
(30:19):
for himself. Bill Weld didn't have to worry about where
his next meal was coming from and so forth. So
and you know, if you go back far enough, you
know Roosevelt and the Salton stalls and on and on.
So you know, how he's able to tell his story
(30:42):
is going to matter. It certainly is an interesting twist
that in a way he's running to be at least
in part, the candidate of Bostonians of color. I mean,
most of his charity work, certainly, not all, but most
of it has been with the black community in Boston
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as head of the Urban League. All the boys and
girls clubs, of course serve a diverse clientele. But and
so here's this, you know, white guy from the suburbs
who now lives in the city or at least has
a voting residence there. And you know, it's just kind
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of an interesting twist. It'd be interesting to see how
it goes over within the black community, which doesn't vote
as a monolith as we keep seeing in every election,
you got that, right, and how it plays city wide.
But I'll tell you again, you know, the more I'm
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in this racket, Garry, the more I just kind of
just believe in what the numbers are trying to tell you,
the actual hard numbers. On voting day, I mean, Michelle
Wu ran up vote totals in her life US two
citywide runs for counselor at large that were amazing. It
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reminded me of the late Dapper O'Neill. The city councilor
used to brag that they didn't count his votes. They
weighed them, and they they had to weigh Michelle Who's votes.
And she didn't do too badly in the mayor race
four years ago when she was elected either, as I recall,
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she was right around sixty five percent of the vote.
That's what you call a landslide. So you know that
that tells you something. And I don't think that she's
you know, neglected her voters over the last four years.
Now they may well be among those voters were unhappy
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about certain things.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Would at that would what would be about.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
The financial condition of the city, the looting of the
budget at a time of of reduced budgets at the
state level and at other levels. Her a number of
things that have angered and upset the business community that
kind of fattens up the golden goose that feeds the
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social services around here. I don't think a lot of
people are happy with the city's aggressive pursuit of bike
lanes everywhere, taking up parking and scrambling the mix of
the neighborhoods. And also there's reasonablieve that there are significant
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numbers of voters who feel like this city hall takes
my way or the highway approach and doesn't really listen
to legitimate criticism, respond to legitimate concerns. And that's something
as a mayor, you never want to be branded as arrogant.
So those are issues that I think are real that
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she'll have to deal with. But she starts out as
a heavy favorite. Gary, Josh Kraft or anyone else.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
John, you're the best. Thank you for taking the time.
You're doing brilliant work as always CBS boss and political
analyst and grandpa. And let me tell you, my friend,
things are not slowing down for you.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Well, don't you think a really good looking grandpa might
make a good character for your next novel? Maybe in
one of those those red hot scenes there, Gary, I
can John, I can use my name, but everyone will
know it's me.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
How do you look at a speedo?
Speaker 4 (34:44):
And on that note, please no need for those those
miracle diet medications. Now everyone has an image to.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Work with, all right, John Keller, thank you very much, buddy,
I appreciate your time.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Take care, Gary, thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Thank you. He's the best. Uh just was starting. He
was a sports guy for a while. John Keller. I
like people who are really smart and not arrogant, and
that's him. We're gonna grab some calls nine o'clock, gonna
talk about the tariffs and what's going on with Trump.
David Alcock's gonna join us, and how they're getting people
(35:21):
to the table. We'll break that that for you. Coming
up at nine on WBZ, we talk oscars. At ten
o'clock with Odie Henderson of the Boston Globe. Sam Metler,
all thanks politics with my moderate friend from the West Coast.
If you're a moderate from LA that means everybody hates you.
It's all coming up on Nightside on WBZ. Now back
(35:43):
to Dan ray Mine from the Window World night Side
Studios on WBZ News Radio. Hey, welcome back Garyan for
Dan tonight Day. Coming up a nine o'clock we will
talk more about the tarrifs, terris terroriffts that Trump has
been talking about and now it seems to be getting
people to the negotiating table. So is his ploy working.
David Elcott joins us business strategists to discuss. Thanks to
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my buddy John for coming on. It's always a pleasure
to talk to him. CBS Bosson political analyst John Keller,
it's the mayor race is going to be interesting, I
think because Michelle Wolf seems very likable. As John mentioned,
with any sitting politician, president, mayor senator, there's going to
be issues, but she could be a tough out for
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Josh Kraft, who's a brilliant guy. I almost feel like,
could they be co mayors? Would that work? Because I
think I shut asked John this. I think they're kind
of on the same page right with some things politically,
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both Democrats. I know Josh is very liberal, wants to
help people stay tuned. I think it's I hope they
have a debate because I think it'll be a great
rate debate. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty
Wally and Georgetown is on WBC's Night Side.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Wally, what's up, Hey, Gary, I'll tell you. I'm I
just feel terrific about what's happening in American politics now.
For the first time in my lifetime, I see that
it's not the fifty thousand watt blow touches. You know
of radio broadcasting and TV four or five in seven
(37:28):
forming the political opinions of most people. Now they can
get it from X or Twitter, or from Joe Rogan
or from any number.
Speaker 7 (37:41):
You're right, Let me just tell you why. Let me
tell you why it's important because Elon Musz doesn't have
any authority. He reports to the cabinet members and he
reports to the President of the United States. So when
he's maligned like he's he's doing something.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Wrong or he's conniving on whatever, it's just not true.
Just like when when you think about with those millions
of dollars from the US Aid Agency that where it
is just stolen from the American taxpayers and we're sick
of it, and it's stolen, and it's filtered through the
right people, and so much of that money gets recirculated
(38:25):
back into the proper people in the DC zip code.
If you know what I'm talking about, well, well I
appreciate ul.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
We'll have to wait and see on that and know
how that works out. But let's go to Theodore and marylist.
I want to get you on the top of down. Hey, Theodore,
what's up.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
Yes, I'm listening to you. I'd like to make a
correction in reference to what he was saying. He was saying,
whether what Eli Musk is doing is right. It's not right.
He is not he has does not have the authority.
And I get Social Security, and a lot of millions
of people up there in Massachusetts get social Security. He
has my number, he has my address, he has my
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Social Security number, and he has all these millions of people,
so scricty number. He walked into a government office. That's
like a dictator, and Donald Trump is letting him. Donald
Trump is not crazy. Donald Trump is just a man
who loves money. He doesn't love people. He loves money.
That's why he lets this guy do this. And it's
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against the law. Only Congress can shut down an agency
that they created. But yet these people are walking into
government offices and doing this. And I'm not a prophet.
I'm not a New Testament or Old Testament prophet. But
I'm gonna tell you all these people. We have one
right wing radio down here laughing at people about to
(39:47):
get thrown out of jobs. And people like mister Rogan
and mister Bannon and all those right wing people, they
got families, they got children, they got wives, and they're
laughing at other people's discomfort and they're disrespecting people, and
everybody on the street called it karma. It's going to
come back around to the theater.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Thank you very much for the phone call. I have
to break for news. I find what Musk is doing
extremely odd. It's just strange, and I have to believe
that our government will not let anything happen to us
that would be that would hurt us. At the end
of the day, I want to believe that. Coming up
(40:29):
next Tariff's tarras Tarrace here on WBZ
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZY Boston's news video. Well,
good evening, how are we doing. I'm cold. I'm sick
and tired of the cold. Now I know what it's
like to be old. I just made a poem. That's gross.
Gary Tanguay, Here tonight, folks in for Dan Ray. Really
(00:25):
I am. I put salt out on the walk, chopped
up the ice. There was a time where I thought
Winner was wonderful around here. It's over, It's done. I
understand when people get to a certain age they just
hate it. They just do period. End of story. So
having said that, that's right, I guess that's kind of
all I got to bitch about. Well, you can always
(00:47):
find a lot to bitch about if you really thought
about it. But this is where I am with politics now,
and hopefully we're going to talk to John Kellery's schedule
to join us here. And before I give you the
rundown of the show, prior to the last few days,
my opinion on politics was I'm sticking my head in
the sand or current events period. I'm just sticking my
(01:10):
head in the sand. I don't want to know. I'm
just gonna stay inside my house I'm gonna watch The Diplomat.
I'm gonna watch some movies. I'm gonna read some books.
I'm gonna hang out with my family. I'm gonna do
a little teaching. I'll talk to Bob Bryan on a
(01:32):
podcast twice a week. But I'm not gonna pay attention
to anything in the real world. I'm not gonna do
it because it's too scary and it's too depressing. I mean,
my god, those poor people in Washington with the Blackhawk
helicopter in the airline crash. I mean, it just breaks
your freaking heart. I can't. I don't know what happens.
(01:56):
You know, maybe you get a little you're sensitive when
you're younger, and you're more sensitive when you're older. In between,
you're kind of like, eh, I can handle it. Maybe
it's because you're busy, you know, you're thirty or forty, Ah,
you blow it off. You get in the fifties, maybe
you become a little more sensitive. But I can't watch
the coverage anymore. I mean, for the families from Boston,
(02:19):
Oh my god, the skaters, and it just brings tears
to your eyes. You know, I need to think you
need a therapist after watching the six thirty news. You
really do. It's so damn depressing. And then I started,
I knew this show was coming up, and I said,
you know what, Gar you gotta you gotta, you gotta
(02:40):
buck up a little bit here. You really do, stop
being such a whimp. Now that doesn't mean I have
to watch CNN or MSNBC or Fox News and twenty
four hour news coverage. I mean that could really drive
you crazy. But I got to pay attention. Not because
I'm doing a talk show with Dan Ray. And believe me,
(03:01):
I would never try to say I'm as knowledgeable as
Dan Ray. But I think it's my duty as a citizen.
I need to pay attention. I need to keep an
eye on things a little bit. We all have to
because it seems like everything's going to hell. I mean,
(03:22):
you got Musk who's shutting down stuff. He wants to
shut down usaid and he doesn't even we didn't elect him.
I mean, he's Trump's buddy and he's going around shutting
down things. But is he wrong? Maybe he's right to
(03:45):
do it. I don't know. This guy's made trillions of dollars.
He's not stupid. Is he just shutting something down to
be a dink or is he shutting it down because
it's not working. Stay tuned on that. Now. When Trump
came out with these tariffs, you know a lot of people,
(04:10):
especially a business, thought he was crazy and so forth,
and he just says it. He just said that's the
way it's going to be. He got to hand it
to him. Look, I didn't vote for the guy I thought. Look,
as far as the presidential election was concerned, I wasn't
thrilled with either choice. But now Mexico is saying they're
going to send ten thousand troops to the border to
(04:33):
stop the drug trade or help stop the drug trade.
Canada is now coming to the table and it's going
to have discussions with Trump on how we can stop
drugs coming in from Canada. Now, from what I understand,
the majority of it comes from Mexico. And I also
sometimes I get confused with illegal immigration, with people crossing
(04:57):
the border. I think almost ninety nine percent of it
come from the South and one percent comes from the North.
I believe that's what the situation is. So maybe I'm
confusing that with the drugs a little bit. Trump is crazy.
He just says stuff. He just says stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
He's got Canada and Mexico talking. So when Trump first
came out and said I'm putting these terrorists in because
of the drug trade, I have to be honest with you.
I am just such a pessimist. I just believe drugs
will be in our society forever because they always have been.
(05:37):
People don't want to look at the situation realistically. People
have been using narcotics to numb themselves, to self medicate
since the beginning of humankind, whether it's chewing on a root,
(06:01):
or whether it's smoking a leaf, or whether it's drinking
some sort of kind of concoction from a still, this
society has never been drug free. I gotta be honest
with you. I don't think we can handle it. I
don't think humankind can exist without some sort of medication.
(06:26):
Now I'm not saying, oh, let's make cocaine, you know, legal,
and let's just go jump into a pile of the
white stuff, but without either some anxiety medicine from your doctor,
without the three high balls after you get home from work,
or with the glass of wine from dinner, or with
the joint you go out and you smoke on the
back patio. I don't think we can as a society.
(06:50):
We cannot get through life unmedicated. It can't be done.
We've never done it. We've never done it. Period. So
now they're gonna send ten thousand troops to the border
to stop the drugs, Well, well they're at it, they
(07:15):
might as well help with the legal immigration as well.
And maybe that is the case. Maybe I've missed that.
But if that's a lot of people, But does it
really matter whether it's one, two, three, four or five thousand,
ten thousand Mexican show soldiers at the border. If the
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cartels run the country. The cartels basically run the country.
They have all the money, they have all the power.
They do I mean, they just do. They run the
country in Mexico. So are there ten thousand soldiers going
to stop that? Do they know where the tunnels are?
(08:01):
Because the way I see it, when it comes to
drugs infiltrating the country, it's not like the cartel sands
a battalion across the border. They said it through tunnels.
They pay people off. They have a way to do
it that no one knows. So you might have ten
(08:23):
thousand guys above ground, who knows. Maybe they're going through
tunnels underneath. I don't know, but we could call Trump
crazy with the terriffs, but he's got people coming to
the table, and he's made his point clear. I'm not
optimistic when it comes to stopping the drug trade. I'm
(08:44):
just not. People need to drink, people need to smoke,
people need to get high. It sucks, It sucks, but
we are a chemically dependent society. But when Trump first
put this out to twenty five twenty five, I thought
(09:04):
he was nuts. What do I know? He got these
guys to the table six one seven six one seven
two five four ten thirty. Yes, I did forget the
number for a minute. Excuse me? Could you do better?
You probably could. Gotta take some calls on this and
(09:25):
uh run down the rest of the show coming up next.
I'm Gary tag Away for Dan Ray. This is Night's Side.
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. Gary tag Away
for Dan Ray tonight six thirty. I didn't realize I
was gonna be so pessimistic tonight. I got an I'll
(09:49):
be honest with you when I open up the show.
I I don't know what I'm gonna say I stopped
planning a long time ago. I just when I plan,
I get nervous. A lot of people get nervous when
they don't plan. When I plan, I get nervous, I
get anxious. I don't like it. I want to go
on blind, Flying Blind, And I started out talking about
(10:12):
the fact that Trump obviously, ay, he's got Canada and
Mexico talking to him, but I still don't think ten
thousand Mexican soldiers are going to stop the drugs. We
have been a society addicted to some sort of chemical
forever and it's never going to change, all right. Maybe
(10:34):
Gary and Woolburn will talk me off the ledge about that.
Let's see if I can get this computer work. Gary,
you're up on wbz's Nightside.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Well, I definitely am a big Trump fan, and I'm
not going to argue with you and so forth. But
I want to say one thing.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
You just said.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Something was so interesting. Basically you had an expression wing
it wig wing it, and I got to give you
credit for that. You're just going on your own merit
of what's on your mind right now to give the credit. Now,
couple things, Were you a Biden fan?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
No, I haven't been a fan of anybody, to be
honest with you, No, I'm not a Biden fan. I'm
not a Trump fan just because of his behavior. Just
there's gotta be some decorum with the presidency. So I'm
just not I wasn't a fan of either one, quite honestly.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Okay, Well, let me give you three things in a
defensive you and myself. What I don't like about Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Three.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Well, the combination of the arrogance and bad behavior is
that it all rolls into one number two. I still
to this day it irritates the heck guy of me.
I'm sixty one years of age, that he made fun
of John McKeen when he was dead to say he
wasn't a national hero.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Gary, Absolutely, I mean, there's no doubt in what you're saying.
It's just it's appalling, it's disgusting. But yet he won
the presidential election handily. He wanted handly. I mean he
wanted going on. I mean, I don't know about going away,
but listen, he won both votes. All right, Gary, thanks
(12:13):
for the phone call. I appreciate it. All right. John
Keller's going to join us right now from CBS Boston.
John how you doing tonight.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
I'm good Gary. My apologies for being late.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
John.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You never have to apologize to me. I just open
up the mic at like eight oh seven and start talking.
I really don't care at this point in time. I
don't plan for anything. I just said, yeah, I just can't.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I don't know if I'm saying makes sense. But I
don't know about you. But people used to say to me,
do you plan? I go. I gotta be honest with you.
If I plan, I get nervous. I do I get nervous.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
That's the way to go.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Let it rip.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
All right, So John, thanks for coming on. We're gonna
you know, we're gonna talk about the mayoral race here
in Boston. But the whole thing now, I just want
to kicking things off with Trump. You know, I wasn't
thrilled with either candidate, and just the way you know,
President Trump behaves, he just strives me nuts. But man,
he's got him coming to the table. Twenty five percent
(13:14):
for Canada, twenty five percent for Mexico, and now they're talking.
And now Mexico says they're going to send ten thousand
troops to the border to stop the drug trade. I
think stopping the drug trade is impossible. But I'm a
pestimate pessimist when it comes to that. What do you
think about Trump's negotiating so far?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Well, you know, I want to see the end result
of the negotiation.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I think most voters are not, you know, kind of
hanging on the daily news cycle about this or anything else.
They want to see how this is going to affect
them and their cause of living and their quality of life,
and what we get is it as a country. I mean,
(14:03):
I certainly Trump supporters above maybe all other voters are
attuned to the idea of politicians not exactly telling the
truth about what's going on or engaging in performance art.
Is that what's going on right now with Mexico and
(14:25):
Canada is some sort of elaborate performance art where Trump
saber rattles and they rattle their sabers back, and oh,
they're moving troops to the border. Well what does that
really mean? So I think it's wait and see.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I'm just pessimistic when it comes to the drug war.
I believe the cartels are in Mexico. When I take
a look at drugs, I take a look at everything.
I just feel as a society, not just the United States,
but the world since Caven could chew roots. I mean,
there's been some sort of form of chemical pendency and
some there's self medication, and I just you know, to me,
(15:05):
it's it's prevention, it's it's I mean, it's just like
a fire will never be able to put out, and
I don't know if even ten thousand soldiers at the
border will stop it.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Yeah, I mean, the drug war, what it's been going
on for decades. The failure of the immigration system and
the failures of the border I've been going on for decades,
right right, So you know, these are tough situations. And
(15:42):
I guarantee you neither Donald Trump nor anyone else is
waving any magic wand solving any of these problems.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Oh no, there's no doubt. But you know something, John,
I wonder both of them are massive problems. We understand that.
I mean, Trump just acts like he's gonna, you know,
in one fell swoop everything. Which it's unbelievable that he
got elected because he talked about building a wall to
I mean, he talks about doing things all the time
and they never come true. But we still elected him,
which I blame. I mean, I'm a registered Democrat. I
(16:11):
did not vote for him, but I you know, I
blame the Democrats because if you couldn't beat this guy,
what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Well? I would say this again. You know, people in
the end want to see results. That was a big
problem for Joe Biden, no doubt when it came to
getting inflation under control and food prices. And now it's
Trump's problem. We'll see how it works out for him.
(16:41):
But you know, give Trump credit as a shrewd campaigner
and political figure, and he identifies the biggest areas of
discontent and then promises to take action on them in
a way that drastically different from the way it's being
(17:02):
tried now. So people think that status quo under Biden
is a failure, you bet they're going to be open
to something dramatically different. So, you know, I think a
lot of the reason why Biden beat Trump in twenty twenty,
and by the way he did beat him. Okay, let's
(17:24):
yeah that yeah, we agree on that, is that people
felt that Trump hadn't delivered on a lot of his promises.
You mentioned one, you know, dealing with the border. Remember
how COVID was going to be over by Eastern. So
(17:46):
broken promises are poison for a political figure. And I
don't think in the end, don't Trumps any exception to that.
But it's what is it week three? So the jury's out?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
What do you think of Musk? I'm just opening that
question up. I'm just gonna let you.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I you know, I have a bad attitude about them.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I can't imagine.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Why starting with and I know the obviously judging from
the sales figures over the years, although they're not doing
that great lately. People love the Tesla. Tesla certainly revolutionized
the auto industry extent. But every time I see one
of those things, what is it called the new Tesla's
(18:37):
that look like little mini tanks?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I hate them.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
What do they call them?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
There's a name for it.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I'm like, don't worry about it, John, it's not important.
We all know what they look like.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Yeah, I just laughed out loud.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I mean, they look so dumb, and apparently you can't
get them clean for some reason. They come out of
the factory and the finish is all rough on them.
You can't get them all.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Oh, they look gross. It looks like something out of
a junk yard. Oh no, yeah, I know it's the
uh lucium. Oh the god, I can't even read it.
They have the what the heck it look like? No,
I'm looking at it right now. And the way they
have it written on the website here, I'm trying to
figure out it's the they have it in some fan
(19:29):
the range extender. What it's called something like that, the
range extend Yeah, I I don't. I don't know why
anybody would drive one. I really don't. It's not it can,
but it cannot be. It cannot be a magnet of
the opposite sex or of the sex you are attempting
to attract.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Oh well, now now we're starting to get into like
a scene from one of your novels. Get you know,
I'm a grandfather here. Please don't drag me into this.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Thank you, first of all, thank you for reading it.
I appreciate that. But but so this whole thing today,
like with USA, must comes in and he shuts this
down or says he's going to shut it down. I mean,
this guy's just running rampant. What do you how long
is he going to last? Will Trump get tired? Of
(20:19):
him like he does all his friends.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Well, you know, that's that's a fair question. And uh,
I think the fact that he's moving so fast it
maybe kicks you off as to what must himself thinks
his shelf life is going to be.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, right, right, trying.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
To just sort of you know, break as much furniture
and glassware as he can. And there's short a period
of time. And look, uh you know that was.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I'm not endorsing anything that's going on now. I don't
think by saying, you know, this is what they promised
to do, this is what Trump promised, So I don't
understand why anyone would be surprised. You know, there's a
lot of handwringing about the site of a completely I
(21:19):
don't like a guy who's not even a sworn civil servant, right,
he's sort of this he has some kind of weird
status that's not the normal. He's not a normal government employee.
Let's look at that, not at all. And he has
(21:39):
no restraints on him apparently, and that's a little bit scary.
I don't think in their sober moments, people want anyone
to have that kind of power over us.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
No, I agree, Can you hang on for one more segment. Sure, okay,
John Keller's with us from CBS Boston. I do want
to get into the mayor race here in Boston as well.
We'll talk a little more Trump, and we still have
calls to get to. We will do that guys, towards
the top of the hour right here on the Dan
Ray Show on Night Side. I'm Gary Tangley. We'll be
right back night with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news Radio.
(22:19):
Right Gary Tank for Dan Ray. John Keller's with CBS Boston. John,
thanks again for joining us getting back to this. Did
you see the movie of The Apprentice?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Uh, the recent one, the dramatization. No, I haven't seen
it yet. Is it good?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
You have to watch dude, it's I don't It's entertainment.
You have to watch it. Okay. Look, I'm not saying
you should be Harvard should not use this like for
any for anything in your class. But I'll tell you this.
I think it does explain Trump, and I think the
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acting is great in it, which I love. But as
you see Trump mature in the movie, he's been lying
his whole life, that's it. He's been like what he's
doing now. He's been doing for forty years. But he
just did it in business, So why stop now, you know.
(23:19):
That's that's the thing, Like, this isn't new to him.
This is how he's done it. This has been his
playbook from day one. That's what I think.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
I'm looking forward to seeing it. And by the way,
you know, just because it's Harvard doesn't mean it isn't trashy.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Okay, sorry, I.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Mean, but he Donald Trump, whatever else you might want
to say about him, is one of, if not the
most brilliant self marketer of his generation. But he's I
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think that's point. After what he just pulled off, you
have to say he has, if not the best, one
of the best understandings of American politics, how it interacts
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with the culture, and how to exploit and manipulate it.
I don't think it's unreasonable or unfair to call him
a genius at that. And you know, the proof is
right there, you know, in the election results. So that
may be a dismaying or demoralizing fact, but I think
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it's a fact. So yes, you're right. I mean, it's funny, Gary,
I got interested in Trump way back in the eighties
when he was just getting up ahead of steam in
Manhattan real estate. I used to read Spy Magazine, Remember
Spy Magazine and Trump. It was this snarky magazine that
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sort of closely followed the cummings and goings of New
York celebrities, and Trump certainly set the bill. They after
a while settled on a stock phrase. Every time his
name would be mentioned in the magazine, it would be
preceded by the words short fingered, vulgarian Donald Trump, and
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that every reference, month after month, year after year. Anyway,
I got interested in Trump, and I read pretty much
every biography about him that I could get my hands on,
and yeah, you know, everything his critics say about him
is true, and everything that is fans admire about him,
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or at least what makes him an effective paul is
also true and is brilliant in its own way. Call
it diapa if you want, but I think we've got
to recognize from that standpoint what's going on here. It's
a phenomenon.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well, have a glass of wine, your favorite beverage, however
you choose to medicate or maybe you don't, and watch
the movie and just realize it's a movie. But the
acting's great. I mean, it's it's great switching gears here.
Let's talk about the May race. Full disclosure. I worked
with the Crafts. I like the Crafts. I've had coffee
with Josh Kraft. I like them. I have not met
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Michelle Wou. I do not live in Boston, so I'm
not voting here. I find this very interesting that and
it's been documented. I mean, Josh had donated to Wo's
campaign in the past, and I don't believe she's committed
yet to run, but maybe that's just a technicality. Are
you surprised that these two will oppose each other.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
A little bit?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I mean, first of all, I don't know very much
yet about Josh Crap. I've never met him. I'm actually
gonna sit down and do an interview with him later
on this week.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Something you'll enjoy it. I mean, look, I'm not I'm
just looking. I'm gonna tell him you will enjoy the conversation.
I mean, he's probably the smartest of them all. I
mean they're all very bright. Robert was very big, Robert
and Meyer are very big on education. He's probably the
smartest of all those sons.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Yeah, well, so you know, I'm glad that there's gonna
be a race. It's depressing when an important job like
mayor of Boston goes uncontested, no matter no matter how
good the incumbent is. So that's a good thing. Like
I say, I don't really know him. I have followed
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Michelle Who's career, and I would say two things about
this race right A, is it as it gets going,
if in fact it's gonna go, And that is that
she's not invulnerable. There are some weaknesses there, and judging
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from the announcement video that Josh Craft released, he understands
what they are and is going to talk about them.
And the other thing to know about this race is
that it's going to be a real uphill battle for
Josh Craft or anyone else because Michelle Wu is a
really really good retail politician with a strong, well cultivated
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base of support and political machine within the city. And they're,
you know, whatever the ups and downs of the Wu years,
and there have been plenty of them, they're not going
to roll over and watch her get swept out. And
I'm not sure yet if there's enough anti Humban's sentiment, unhappiness,
(29:03):
anxiety within the Boston electorate to sweep her out. I
think that remains to be seen.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, that's fine. That's why I found it interesting that
Josh ran I think that this is just my read
on the situation because I've covered the Patriots forever and
I know that look what he's done for the Boys
and Girls Club, it's well documented. I've talked to people
that have worked with him, and I'm not campaigning for
either one. Look, she's obviously people like her. She seems
(29:35):
to be a very nice lady. The thing about like
Josh is he's like a billionaire that does all this
charity work. And I don't know if people can wrap
their heads around that, you know what I mean. I mean,
he's his mother's son. So like the fact that he
is a billion I mean, he comes from a billionaire family.
Even though he's very charitable and he's very civic minded,
(29:58):
I don't know if the money background.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Hurts well, you know, listen, the fact that you're wealthy
doesn't always compromise your chances in Massachusetts politics. That seems
to recall Mitt Romney, You're nowhere and did very well
(30:19):
for himself. Bill Weld didn't have to worry about where
his next meal was coming from and so forth. So
and you know, if you go back far enough, you
know Roosevelt and the Salton stalls and on and on.
So you know, how he's able to tell his story
(30:42):
is going to matter. It certainly is an interesting twist
that in a way he's running to be at least
in part, the candidate of Bostonians of color. I mean,
most of his charity work, certainly, not all, but most
of it has been with the black community in Boston
(31:03):
as head of the Urban League. All the boys and
girls clubs, of course serve a diverse clientele. But and
so here's this, you know, white guy from the suburbs
who now lives in the city or at least has
a voting residence there. And you know, it's just kind
(31:24):
of an interesting twist. It'd be interesting to see how
it goes over within the black community, which doesn't vote
as a monolith as we keep seeing in every election,
you got that, right, and how it plays city wide.
But I'll tell you again, you know, the more I'm
(31:46):
in this racket, Garry, the more I just kind of
just believe in what the numbers are trying to tell you,
the actual hard numbers. On voting day, I mean, Michelle
Wu ran up vote totals in her life US two
citywide runs for counselor at large that were amazing. It
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reminded me of the late Dapper O'Neill. The city councilor
used to brag that they didn't count his votes. They
weighed them, and they they had to weigh Michelle Who's votes.
And she didn't do too badly in the mayor race
four years ago when she was elected either, as I recall,
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she was right around sixty five percent of the vote.
That's what you call a landslide. So you know that
that tells you something. And I don't think that she's
you know, neglected her voters over the last four years.
Now they may well be among those voters were unhappy
(32:52):
about certain things.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Would at that would what would be about.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
The financial condition of the city, the looting of the
budget at a time of of reduced budgets at the
state level and at other levels. Her a number of
things that have angered and upset the business community that
kind of fattens up the golden goose that feeds the
(33:20):
social services around here. I don't think a lot of
people are happy with the city's aggressive pursuit of bike
lanes everywhere, taking up parking and scrambling the mix of
the neighborhoods. And also there's reasonablieve that there are significant
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numbers of voters who feel like this city hall takes
my way or the highway approach and doesn't really listen
to legitimate criticism, respond to legitimate concerns. And that's something
as a mayor, you never want to be branded as arrogant.
So those are issues that I think are real that
(34:08):
she'll have to deal with. But she starts out as
a heavy favorite. Gary, Josh Kraft or anyone else.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
John, you're the best. Thank you for taking the time.
You're doing brilliant work as always CBS boss and political
analyst and grandpa. And let me tell you, my friend,
things are not slowing down for you.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Well, don't you think a really good looking grandpa might
make a good character for your next novel? Maybe in
one of those those red hot scenes there, Gary, I
can John, I can use my name, but everyone will
know it's me.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
How do you look at a speedo?
Speaker 4 (34:44):
And on that note, please no need for those those
miracle diet medications. Now everyone has an image to.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Work with, all right, John Keller, thank you very much, buddy,
I appreciate your time.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Take care, Gary, thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Thank you. He's the best. Uh just was starting. He
was a sports guy for a while. John Keller. I
like people who are really smart and not arrogant, and
that's him. We're gonna grab some calls nine o'clock, gonna
talk about the tariffs and what's going on with Trump.
David Alcock's gonna join us, and how they're getting people
(35:21):
to the table. We'll break that that for you. Coming
up at nine on WBZ, we talk oscars. At ten
o'clock with Odie Henderson of the Boston Globe. Sam Metler,
all thanks politics with my moderate friend from the West Coast.
If you're a moderate from LA that means everybody hates you.
It's all coming up on Nightside on WBZ. Now back
(35:43):
to Dan ray Mine from the Window World night Side
Studios on WBZ News Radio. Hey, welcome back Garyan for
Dan tonight Day. Coming up a nine o'clock we will
talk more about the tarrifs, terris terroriffts that Trump has
been talking about and now it seems to be getting
people to the negotiating table. So is his ploy working.
David Elcott joins us business strategists to discuss. Thanks to
(36:07):
my buddy John for coming on. It's always a pleasure
to talk to him. CBS Bosson political analyst John Keller,
it's the mayor race is going to be interesting, I
think because Michelle Wolf seems very likable. As John mentioned,
with any sitting politician, president, mayor senator, there's going to
be issues, but she could be a tough out for
(36:30):
Josh Kraft, who's a brilliant guy. I almost feel like,
could they be co mayors? Would that work? Because I
think I shut asked John this. I think they're kind
of on the same page right with some things politically,
(36:50):
both Democrats. I know Josh is very liberal, wants to
help people stay tuned. I think it's I hope they
have a debate because I think it'll be a great
rate debate. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty
Wally and Georgetown is on WBC's Night Side.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Wally, what's up, Hey, Gary, I'll tell you. I'm I
just feel terrific about what's happening in American politics now.
For the first time in my lifetime, I see that
it's not the fifty thousand watt blow touches. You know
of radio broadcasting and TV four or five in seven
(37:28):
forming the political opinions of most people. Now they can
get it from X or Twitter, or from Joe Rogan
or from any number.
Speaker 7 (37:41):
You're right, Let me just tell you why. Let me
tell you why it's important because Elon Musz doesn't have
any authority. He reports to the cabinet members and he
reports to the President of the United States. So when
he's maligned like he's he's doing something.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Wrong or he's conniving on whatever, it's just not true.
Just like when when you think about with those millions
of dollars from the US Aid Agency that where it
is just stolen from the American taxpayers and we're sick
of it, and it's stolen, and it's filtered through the
right people, and so much of that money gets recirculated
(38:25):
back into the proper people in the DC zip code.
If you know what I'm talking about, well, well I
appreciate ul.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
We'll have to wait and see on that and know
how that works out. But let's go to Theodore and marylist.
I want to get you on the top of down. Hey, Theodore,
what's up.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
Yes, I'm listening to you. I'd like to make a
correction in reference to what he was saying. He was saying,
whether what Eli Musk is doing is right. It's not right.
He is not he has does not have the authority.
And I get Social Security, and a lot of millions
of people up there in Massachusetts get social Security. He
has my number, he has my address, he has my
(39:03):
Social Security number, and he has all these millions of people,
so scricty number. He walked into a government office. That's
like a dictator, and Donald Trump is letting him. Donald
Trump is not crazy. Donald Trump is just a man
who loves money. He doesn't love people. He loves money.
That's why he lets this guy do this. And it's
(39:25):
against the law. Only Congress can shut down an agency
that they created. But yet these people are walking into
government offices and doing this. And I'm not a prophet.
I'm not a New Testament or Old Testament prophet. But
I'm gonna tell you all these people. We have one
right wing radio down here laughing at people about to
(39:47):
get thrown out of jobs. And people like mister Rogan
and mister Bannon and all those right wing people, they
got families, they got children, they got wives, and they're
laughing at other people's discomfort and they're disrespecting people, and
everybody on the street called it karma. It's going to
come back around to the theater.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Thank you very much for the phone call. I have
to break for news. I find what Musk is doing
extremely odd. It's just strange, and I have to believe
that our government will not let anything happen to us
that would be that would hurt us. At the end
of the day, I want to believe that. Coming up
(40:29):
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