July 1, 2025 • 39 mins
The 30-year-old man charged for the stabbing and murder of four University of Idaho students, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle, Ethan Chapin, and Kaylee Goncalves has accepted a plea deal to serve life in prison, without the possibility of parole, avoiding the death penalty. Brian Kohberger committed the crime in November of 2022. The victims’ families are divided over the plea deal with some furious at the state of Idaho. Dan discussed this heinous crime and the case this evening on NightSide!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, I don't mean to offend any of our listeners
in the Great Northwest, but boy, there's been a couple
of weird stories that have come out of Idaho in
the last couple of days.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
You had the guy up in the hillt Mountains who
up close to the Canadian border, who decides to set
a fire in the forest. You get a little bit
warm up in that neck of the wood, so he's
got a pretty good fire going and he's, uh, he's popping.
Firefighters killed two firefighters and the third is in tough shape.
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This was a horrific case, but not that any case
is more or less horrific. But I can't think of
a worse case than the case of Brian Coburger. This
is a guy who you remember, I mean, he was
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the guy that that now is pleading guilty to killing
four students four students at the University of Idaho, one
man and three women. This was near in Moscow, Idaho,
which is a community that I have some familiarity with.
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Worked with a couple of people from Moscow, Idaho in
the business, people whose names you would know, but We'll
leave that for another day. And so this guy, basically
up close and personal, Okay, nearly three years after the murders,
set to go to trial in August, He for years
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and years and years has fought against it. I'm sure
you remember all of the publicity when it occurred. At
these these students were killed, we assume by an individual.
We didn't know who it was, and there was some
great police work done that spotted his car. He was
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a student at another nearby college, and he now, according
to everything that I've read, has decided to reach a
plea deal to avoid the death penalty. According to a
letter that prosecutors sent to relatives of the victims. Are
reading from a piece written out of The New York
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Times from yesterday. I also have an associated press piece
here that I'm relying upon. I didn't cover this story closely.
We didn't do too much about it, but I want
to talk about it tonight. The New York Times articles
by two reporters, Mike Baker and Nicholas Bogel borrows Colberger
had been set to go on trial murder in August,
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nearly three years after the killing. So the killings were
I believe in November of twenty twenty two, there was
a hearing set for this Wednesday. In a letter to
the victims' families on Monday, prosecutors said mister Coberger's defense
team had asked for a plea offer last week. Under
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the proposed agreement, which must be approved by the judge
in this case, and that's an important element, Coberger would
plead guilty to all charges and be sentenced to four
consecutive life sentences and waive all rights to appeal. This
guy obviously doesn't want the death penalty. Now, the people
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who he killed, they were young. He was thirty at
the time, which is young, okay, But he killed and
I want to mention their names, Ethan Chapin, Zana Kernoodle,
Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Consalvus at a rental home near
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the camp in Moscow, Idaho. This was in November twenty
twenty two. Autopsy showed the four were all likely asleep
when they were attacked the coward that this guy is.
Some had defensive wounds and each was stabbed multiple times. Now,
of course, at the time, no one could figure out
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how does one person get into a house and kill
four people without waking others, and apparently the phone call
to the police didn't occur until seven hours The crime
occurred apparently like at three point thirty four o'clock four
point thirty in the morning, and the police were not
called until very late in the morning. He was a
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criminal justice graduate student at Washington State University in Washington.
He was arrested in Pennsylvania weeks after the killing. Investigators
said that they matched his DNA to genetic material recovered
from a knife sheep to the crime scene. Some of
this might be coming back to you. The killing shook
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the small farming community of about twenty five thousand people.
It's pretty good size for farming community. In a letter
cited by In the letterative family cited by EBC, prosecutors
said his lawyers approached them again seeking the plea deal,
and under the proposed agreement, the prosecutor said they met
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with available family members last week before deciding to make
Colberger an offer. So wait a second, his lawyers come
and say, hey, make us an offer. We can't refuse,
And so the prosecutors out there, instead of saying yeah,
we'll make you an offer. You can have grapefruit juice
or orange juice. The morning of your execution. No, they
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turned around and they said, Okay, plead guilty to everything,
and you'll get consecutive sentences. So bot it's interesting when
you think about it. He's years old. I guess he
was twenty seven at the time. The people who he
killed wereng like twenty one, twenty two. I'll get the
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numbers for you if you add up their ages. He
killed people who had lived about eighty years and then yeah,
the ages. Two of the victims were twenty one and
two of the victims were twenty. They had spent a
typical Saturday night out near the university campus and returned
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to the house in the early hours of Sunday a roommate.
This is according to the New York Times article. A
roommate who survived the attack said she heard what sounded
like crying coming from a room of one of the women.
She later told police that she had opened a door
and seen a man with bushy eyebrows in black clothes
and a mask. The man left the house, and the
roommate began texting with another surviving roommate downstairs before taking
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refuge in her room, but neither she nor anyone else
called the police until more than seven hours later a
friend came to the house and discovered the body of
one of the victims. In the years before the killings,
Coburger eleven the Times reversed to everybody as mister, I'm
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not going to do that. Coburger indicated he was interested
in studying criminals. In a message to a friend in
twenty eighteen, he wrote that he would like a job
dealing with high profile offenders. Oh, you're going to deal
with high profile offenders now. A few months before the murders,
he posted on Reddit asking people who had spent time
in prison to describe their thoughts, motions, and actions from
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the beginning to end of the crime commission process. Okay,
I think we can say. He was a criminology PhD
student at Washington State University, but it was just about
a twenty minute drive from the crime scene. He had
grown up in Pennsylvania study psychology and college. He was
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arrested in December of twenty two at his parents' home
in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania, about six weeks after
the killing. Now defense team had tried to suppress some
of the evidence, including the knight sheaf found at the
cream the scene of the crime, and that record show
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he had purchased a knife of that kind of matching
the sheath in the months before the killings. Video footage
showed a car similar to his circling the neighborhood around
the time of the debts. I believe that it was
the car that was then found in a parking lot
at his university in the state of Washington. So my
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question is pretty simple, Okay the families. Gonsalves's family expressed
outrage in a Facebook post. We're beyond furious at the
State of Idaho. They have failed us. Please give us
some time. This was very unexpected. I'm sure the other
families are feeling very much the same way. I can't
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imagine how they must feel tonight. The prosecutor said, this
resolution is our sincere attempt to seek justice for your family. Really,
this agreement insures the defendant will be convicted, will spend
the rest of his life in prison, and will not
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be able to put you and other family members through
the uncertainty of decades of post conviction appeals. Your viewpoints
weighed heavily in our decision making process, and we hope
that you may come to appreciate. Why believe this, Why
we believe this resolution is in the best interest of
judges in idahop judges may reject plea agreements, though such
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moves are rare. If a judge rejects a plea agreement,
the defendant is allowed to withdraw his guilty plea. Obviously
that was untrue. That is absolutely true. There would be
no reason for the guilty flee to remain. Bottom line
is I want to hear from you in this one,
this punk. He took four lives of four people who
were you know, several eight years his junior. He was
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twenty seven or so at the time. He's thirty. Now. Yeah,
he'll spend the rest of his life in jail. He'll
probably end up in the supermax in Colorado. As one
of these high profile killers. How can he be put
into a general population. I don't think that's possible. They
should have tried this case, and since in Idaho the
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people of Idaho have a death penalty, he should have
been executed in my opinion, because of the crime that
he committed. This was not a crime of passion. This
was not a barroom fight in which somebody hit their head.
This was killing four beautiful young people, literally as they slept.
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You could not have a more cowardly action by an individual,
in my opinion, to take the lives of four innocent
young people six seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. First of all, should this judge accept the appeal,
we'll probably not geting much impact in Idaho, to be
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honest with you, but I think the fact that we
can talk about it maybe somehow, some way it might
impact the judge. I don't know. I'm sure that the
prosecutors are going to do the very best they can
and the judge gets to dispose of the case and
moves on. But I don't think this is fair to
the memories of the victims. I really don't. And this
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is another case where clearly this guy has admitted his guilt.
You might say he's just a sick animal to have
done this. Okay, that's fine. You want to convict him,
and you want to spare him the death penalty because
he's a sick animal. I'm okay with that, but I'm
not okay with using the death penalty as a bargaining ship.
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This guy is clearly guilty, and he has used the
presence of the death penalty in Idaho to get a
sweeter deal from his prosecution. There was no way he
is going to be acquitted none whatsoever. Back on Nightside
six one seven, two ten thirty six one seven, nine
three one ten thirty. I know idols of our far
away placement is part of the United States of America
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and this should not stand. Coming back on Nightside, it's
Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio. Or
let's go to the phones. Let's go to Gideon in Franklin, Massachusetts. Gideon,
welcome to Nightside. How are you?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I don't I'm okay. How are you?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I'm doing just great? So what what? What do you
think is going on out here? I mean, I don't
understand why prosecutors would not be interested in, uh in,
in following through on this this trial.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I agree, I fully agree. You know, I'm from England.
We don't have the death penalty there, and the death
penalty I think is a little alien to me. But
you know what, if there was ever a kay where
someone deserved it, it's this one. Yeah, you know, I
mean that's what I think.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You know, this is not the thing that's amazing about
this is that any one of us who went to college,
or who has children who went to college, or has
grandchildren who are in college, now they can understand that
you're a You're in a house and there's a you know,
three or four bedrooms and people are off in different rooms.
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And this guy comes in in the dead of knight
wearing a mask with a knife at four o'clock in
the morning with intention to kill. This is not some
guy who got into a fight because everybody had too
much to drink and push somebody off the second floor
roof and the he killed four people in usually up
close and personal.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, it's the factor, isn't it. It's the It's the
not mitigating the opposite, the aggravating factors, you know, laying
in wait.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yes, driving around and he must have been.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah, I didn't know what happened for four children. I mean,
you know, and this is big news. I was amazed
because I thought he was going to go to trial.
But if I was the family, I would be outraged
right now, I really would.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And I feel for them, well, some of them are
get in I don't know if I've had you on
as a caller before.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
You a new Yeah, I called about Karen Reid.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Oh okay, all right, so we got you back. That's good.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, Yeah, I called and I said I didn't think
she was a murderer. And I think that that that
case turned out the way it should.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you know as well as
I do. I just want to make a quick comment
that when the jury comes back in this country, they
never say innocent. Hers might be a case of actual innocence,
I get it, but the jury officially said simply not guilty.
Different in English. What brought you over here to this country?
Are you over here for good or working? Or what
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are you doing?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yeah, so I'll tell you. My son has autism. He
was diagnosed at age five in nineteen ninety eight. So
we came, we came to America. We came to the
to Boston, to the Boston Higashi scored because he has autism,
and he had he's had the most amazing therapy and
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you know, he's still I wouldn't say he's recovered completely,
but he'd learned to talk and he's done really well.
So yeah, we came over here for Joshua, my son,
who's well, he's thirty two now, and he lives. He
lives over here and he's doing really well.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Well, that's that's fabulous. And I is he in a
group home of some sort? I assume is it.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, he's in a group home during the week, but
he comes home on weekends, so he comes to mind
the other weekend, and his mother's every other weekend and vacation,
so you know, he's based in the group home, but
he sees you know, he sees me every other weekend
and we have we have great life.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I know a lot of parents who have children with autism,
and the parents are the most amazing people that I've
ever met, to be really honest with you, and I
mean that seriously. Uh. There's a school in Southborough that
that deals with uh, you know, young people with autism. Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
And they do the New England Center.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
New England Center for Children. Yes, I've done some fundraising
with them and made appearances with them, and my family,
to the best of my knowledge, has never been touched
by autism, even extended members of my family. But the
parents of those children at the New England school, and
I'm sure, like you and your wife, you work on
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behalf of your child and it's it's an amazing it's
an amazing experience to watch from the outside. And I
just think that my hat's off to you, Gideon, and
to your wife and to your son, and.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
I appreciate it. Well, I'll tell him you said so,
he would appreciate it. He hit the main center. So
we're very lucky, really very lucky. But thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Appreciate it well, Gideon, thank you, and continue to call
my program. And I really appreciate you participating tonight.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Well, absolutely well, thank you, Dan, have a good one.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
You too, Gideon. Goodnight. We have great callers. We have
a great, great group of callers here on this program,
and so i'd like you to become a caller. If
you've never called before, please identify yourself as a first
time caller, because that's how we spread our audience a
little bit and how we bring more people into the tent,
the proverbial tent of Nightside. We're talking about the case
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of Brian Colberger. He is the criminal who decided on
one Saturday night Sunday morning in November of twenty twenty
two that he wanted to kill some people, and he
killed four young people, four innocent young people, each of
them killed while they slept, and you know, when you're
in the in a deep sleep, imagine what it's like
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to wake up and realize someone is there stabbing you.
You don't even know, you don't even know if it's
a dream or reality, and by time you figure it out,
it's too late. So he knew exactly when he wanted
to do, what he wanted to do, and how he
wanted to do it. And now we'll get to Hidie
in Beverly. I don't want to short cut, short change
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Hidi in Beverly because we're coming up on a newscast
and just turned nine thirty, so we're going to take
the news. We have Haidi and Beverly, we have Matt
and Franklin. There'll be our second call from Franklin tonight
and I got room for you. It's six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
We will be back on night side right after the
news break. I'd like to know from you. Are you
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as upset as I am that this I'm just not
going to say what I really want to say. But
this individual is able to escape the death penalty, which
is available in Idaho by simply copying a plea so
that he will serve four consecutive life sentences. He'll never
get out. I hope they put him in general population,
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but he'll never be in general population either. Uh. And
I'm sure that he will have his groupie fans who
will be in touch with him, just like Luigi Mangioni
has his groupie fans that I don't understand. But that's
a story for another night. Here comes the news, be
right back on Nightside, coming back. We got some lines
six one, seven, two, four, ten thirty six one seven,
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nine three, one thirty. Later on tonight, we're going to
talk about Trump's Big Beautiful Bill, which has at least
in one incarnation past the Senate. Back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's Use Radio.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Okay, let's go to Heidi and Beverly. How do your
thoughts on what's going on out in Idaho with this murderer.
I think copping a sweet deal.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Oh my god, I totally agree with you. I think
that the judge would reject the plea deal. I mean,
I'm a mother of five. I can't even imagine what
these parents are going through. I mean, it's horrible.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, that's my that's my sense of your.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Child death penalty. Why shouldn't he get the death penalty?
And I'm not a proponent of the death penalty, but
in this case, i am, it.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Says the family of Kayleie Gonzales.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
The local one of the.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Victims criticized the prosecution team for failing to consult with
the families, some of them had worked to change Idaho
law to allow the firing square as a form of
capital punishment. After more than two years, he should get it. Yeah,
I just want to quote from them, they say, after
more than two years, this is how it concludes, with
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a secretive deal and a hurried effort to close the
case without any input from the victims' families on the
plea details. The consolv family said in a statement and
their letters of the family, prosecutors wrote, the plea deal
was our sincere attempt to seek justice, justice for you.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Well, the judge still has the opportunity to, you know,
prove that whole thing, which I'm hoping he does well.
And I take people in the country gets upset about it,
then they should, well.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I have this judge has some courage and if he does.
He should get a Profile and Courage award from the
from the Kennedy Library, although he probably won't, it'll be interesting.
I don't know that the court system in Idaho. I
have some friends in that hole, so I have a
little knowledge of the state. But they've just had these
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horrible incidents. This incident and the one over the weekend
with a guy set a fire so that firefighters will
come up.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
And my son's a firefighter in devl A, you know,
so it's really upsetting that he could be ambushed going
to a call, you know, to save people's lives. That
I totally agree with you. I think that the judges
stick up and say, now we're not going to allow
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a plea deal. And as I said previously, I'm not
a proponent of the death penalty, but in this case
I am.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Well, I'm with you. I'm with you, Heidi. I hope
you continue to call my program. I need your voice
as well.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
And thank you so much for taking my call.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well, thank you for calling in, and also thank you
for having five children, one of whom is a firefighter.
A great public servant, those are the real you know,
when the politicians call themselves public servants, I laugh at that.
The real public servants of the firefighters, police officers, and
EMTs uh and those who put themselves in Yeah, the
wod guys danger you got it. The good guys and
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the good gals too. Thank you, Heidi, appreciate you all
have a great name. Thank you, good welcome, by good night,
by bye. Okay, let's keep rolling here. And as they say,
one line at six one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty,
and we got one at six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. Let me go back to the calls,
and we're going to bring Matt in Franklin, Massachusetts up. Matt,
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welcome to Night's side. Neither the second caller from Franklin Tonight,
Matt going ahead.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah. I personally think this is more like a financial
decision for the state of Idaho than more than anything else.
I mean, there's not like a state that has a
lot of money for those state and local government, and
this trial's gonna cost millions of dollars and be like
a show, and they seem to like just want to
avoid and get over number. Hopefully the judge tosses out
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now you hope.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I don't know if judges in different states for judges.
It's different. So in some states judges are appointed by
the governor, as they are here in Massachusetts. In some
other states they stand for election. If this is an
elected judge, I hope that he will be listening to
us what his constituents would say. And I think, just
on the principle, it's not fair. You take four lives,
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you kill four. You know, these are people in twenty
and twenty one years old, and you're gonna stop their life.
Four people, and then it's only going to cost you
life in prison.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I think the other thing that's peculiar about this case
is the father flying out there to drive cross country
with the sun in December. It's like most people when
they go cross country, they go out in the fall
or the spring of the summer. They don't go out,
they don't go cross country the Rockies in December. And
it's that happened like right after the car became known
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to the public. I don't think the family maybe knew
he did it, but they probably wanted to get the
car out of there, so they're weirdo sudden when get
her ass. But that is pretty suspicious. And then I
think another thing too, with the roommates not calling. I mean,
maybe the school's like I know it's on Utah, but
it's like probably maybe similar with the strict standards where
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they probably didn't want to call the police if there
was like drugs and alcohol there. And I can't believe
it in call for seven hours. And it's probably also
not the first time they saw some like random person
walking through the kitchen late at night too. But I
think that's crazy that he missed the two witness systems.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, I agree with you. The case did seem to
have that odd aspect. I remember there was he when
Coburg became identified as a suspect. He was driving the
car and his father was in the passenger seat and
they was stopped by a by a state police office
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or a highway patrol officer. I think it was in
Ohio somewhere like that.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
And yeah, it was Indiana twice, okay, yeah, right right
next to Ohio.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I was close, close, but no cigar, and it was
it was there from the world to see and you
could see that that he looked he had that squirrely
look on his face like he was leaning over the
steering wheel, like can I help you, officer? It almost
looked like he was expecting.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
I guess they lost the FEDS along the way because
they went a different way home and they got picked
back up probably on like a camera speed camera and Indiana,
and that's why they pulled them over. It's like the
pictures of him. But yeah, I mean, there's no way
he was going to get out of it with the DNA,
and it's kind of amazing that he forgot the sheet.
Supposedly he brought like a dustbuster and a bunch of
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other things. I'm just hoping there is a trial because
it would be interesting to watch it. And I feel
like the family is more like they want their fifteen
minutes of fame and their voice heard. I mean, I
I do understand that there so what you said he
brought it?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
You said, did you read that he brought a dustbuster?
You mean, like to clean up after the mess.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Yeah, And then when they went to his apartment, they
took like a shop back out of there. And then
when he went home, he was like trying to throw
his crash and neighbors trash cans on his own, and
the afraid they're all like trying to find the DNA.
But wow, well, I mean that that also shows you
like how oft the whole cell phone triangulation is, because
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I mean they're like, oh, you're on, like they're here,
but he may be like, all right, well, the only
place open in town is like right around the corner.
So I mean he sort of had like everything covered
except for the fact that he left the bloody sheath
with his blood and sweat on it.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
So also but as his car, remember his car was
spotted on some sort of circling the area, and then
there was a security guard at the University of Washington
that saw what was a similar car in their parking lot.
I think that was the case.
Speaker 9 (28:06):
That yeah, that's yeaheah, that broke it.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Over and then had he previously was pulled over when
they had that tale.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
So that's a good one. That's a good one. Hey, Matt,
I appreciate you call very much. Thank you, my friend.
We talk soon. We've got to take a very quick break,
I promise, and then we'll be back. And I got Dave,
I got Bishop right down in Rainham, Laurie's in Idaho.
I got to get Laurie on here and Josephine and Needham.
We'll get everybody in I promise coming back on nightside.
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You're on night side. Let me go right to the
heart of it. Let's go to Idaho. Laurie, thank you
very much for calling in tonight. Always appreciate your calls,
but particularly in this one. How has this decision been
received amongst those folks who know this case better than
us in Idaho?
Speaker 9 (28:56):
Shock?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, I think everybody, everybody shocked, hurt. One of the
one of the families, I think it was Mogan's parents
didn't was never for the death penalty in the first place.
I think, pretty strong Christian belief there, and so they
have been a little bit more accepting I guess of
this the day they wanted over and they're happy with
(29:19):
him having to think every day in prison about what
he what he ruined in the world. But everybody else,
I'm disgusted. I'm just holding on to hope that maybe
that judge will say, nay, nay, nay.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Are your judges elected out there or appointed?
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I think I think I read that this one was appointed.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
YEA, this would be I assume, I assume this would
not be what you call what we would call here
a district court judge. This is a capital case. So
it'd be at a superior court level.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I mean, right, they call a district out here, but
it's the equivalent of the superior back there. Yeah, okay,
And he was apported by the he was appointed by
the previous governor who I forget his name, like somebody Bucks, somebody, yeah,
or butchered somebody.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Definitely a Republican, that's for sure, But it'll be interesting
to see if he rejects you know them. When the
prosecution agrees on a deal like this, it's tough for
a judge to say no, I'm not going to go now,
because everybody is saying yes. But I think it's going
to depend on with the families if gonsalves. The family
(30:22):
is obviously the most outspoken.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
But this is this is a hard and it didn't
sound like they were part of any They didn't agree
to it. I mean they were they were caught off
guard by this letter that came, yeah, from the prosecutor.
I mean maybe there'd been some talk about it as
more like the letter came explaining why they're doing it,
why it's in their best interest, in.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Blah blah, the other which most prosecutors on a case
like a high profile case, like this. They want to
try the case because they want to be able to say, hey,
I convicted my I was the prosecutor who convicted this guy.
It's weird that the prosecutors on the case this high
profile and this group and this personal. I mean, this
(31:03):
is some This is not a guy who fired a
gun from one hundred yards away and pops somebody. He
climbed now onto the bed and killed these people while
they slept.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, it was personal vengeance.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
I don't know if.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I don't know if he was aware of them, neew
of them, I don't know. Obviously, the two college campuses
are relatively close together. But I don't know. He's just
a sicko and he does not deserve to spend the
rest of his life in jail.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
This is a horrible thing to say, but he has
that kind of look of somebody.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
He's a creepy look, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
And maybe it's the fact that he's wearing the orange jumpsuit,
but I get that. Well, you're going to be our
Idaho corresponding on this. I want you to keep on
top of this for us. Okay, I'm serious, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Tell you this one caught me off guard. I heard
that the yesterday was like what thought.
Speaker 9 (31:50):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. You can't say that
in the radio, but we certainly understand what you're feeling,
that's for sure. Sorry, thank you much. I appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
I'll stay on it.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Thank you for taking my.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Let me go to Dave and brighton. Dave, you're next
night soccer right ahead, Dave.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Hi Dan.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
I just tuned in.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
I was watching closing argument with Vinnie Polatino. They had
a lot of the i'd hoole prosecutors on there in Idaho.
And when they have a change of plea like there
is in this case, the the victims family, the three
that are upset, they're going to have a chance to speak.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Also, the.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
The they have a different attorneys, having like a metric line.
And the thing was so many people called and complaining
they wiped out the system so pretty big, pretty big
an Idaho.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I mean, like.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
I mean, the other three they were the most beautiful
girls I've ever seen in my life. And I can't
blame the outlar. You know that this is causing and
you know it's one thing to do life in prison
on death row, and it's another thing doing life knowing
that you're gonna, you know, die, You're not waiting for
somebody to say okay, time to go.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah, no, I get it. And by the way, they were,
they were attractive young people, but that has nothing.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
To do with it.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
Day.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
No, No, he's a mass murderer, right right, right.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Both of those says these children. Uh, and they were
children at twenty twenty one. Yes, yes, yes, they are
each the son or daughter of of of a loving parents.
And uh, it's impressive. It's impossible to understand, Dave. I
appreciate you call very much. Appreciate the updates even though
you plunge some some podcasts that I have no idea
who will die. But let me go to Josephine and
(33:48):
need him. I'm gonna say, Reverend Bishop Wright for last,
go ahead, Josephine, I gotta get you, and I gets
go ahead, Josephine.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
I believe he's feeling like I won. I took you
people over the colds for three years and now I'm winning.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yes, I couldn't agree anymore.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
It just didn't look on his face. It's like I won.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, like I did what I wanted to do. And
whether or not as a as a student of murder,
and which is what he's studying. Maybe he felt he
had to do this to understand who knows what went
on in his sick, twisted mind. And now he's thinking
to himself, I'm the smartest guy in the room. Well, yeah,
(34:33):
you're the smartest guy in the world. But you're never
going to see the light of day. And if it
had the way of most people, you'd the last thing
you'd see would be a bullet moving towards your forehead.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
Right, But he is down the down. Years later, can
they turn around and he's been so good and such a.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Oh absolutely, you know, twenty five years from now, and
he first of all, he's going to find Jesus in prison.
They all find Jesus. He's going to take some college courses,
he's going to get his degree, and then he's going
to be involved in a teaching program teaching English to
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inmates who English is not their first language. And he
may have a Bible study group. That's the other thing
that is always very good, have a Bible study group.
And then he's a changed person. He's not the same
person who killed these four people. Back what year was
it now, Oh? Yeah, yes, it was twenty twenty two.
(35:34):
That's a long time ago. Our new governor is going
to commute his sentence in an act to do that.
Sure they can, they can. Governors have pary plenary powers,
and you know, you could, they could have you know,
he could get sick in prison, he could, he could
develop a disease, and they could give him some sort
(35:56):
of a you know, a parole, medical parole. There's lunch
they can do. And you never know where this country
will be twenty years from now. Josephine, thank you much,
We think alike. Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Good night, Bishop right and rain and Bishop right. I'm
gonna shop you a little bit on time here because
you called in a little late that I want to
hear what you have to say.
Speaker 9 (36:21):
Well, you know, really I used to say, you know,
an individual of this nature, he's already dead. He's just
a dead man walking. So he's already dead to me
and my nice dance. I mean, many scholars you're talking
about come to Jesus moments. But you know, many biblical
(36:45):
schols will say, well, you know, Paul in the Bible,
he was a Christian killer and he killed a lot
of Christians, and as the Lord turned him around. Okay, fine,
But living in this day and time, and you know
there where there's two natures in us. One nature was
against the other nature. When I would do good, evil
as always pleasant and on my end, I gotta say
(37:07):
I'm with you then, because you know, he does not
deserve he does not deserve to I feel in my
humanistic side, I don't even feel that he deserves to
be a dead man living, much less a dead man walking,
you know, because I mean, you cowardly, you know, just
(37:30):
took four innocent lives in their sleep. Not only that
your six is going on in your mind. So my
thing is my thing? Is you like the last call?
I agreed, you know what she had said. You know
you think you won. Okay, let me let us show
(37:52):
you how we're gonna win. And with you know, you're
gonna quietly go you know, lethal injectal dejection or whatever.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah. No, he'll he'll be he'll be a big he'll
be a big man. Uh you know in the South,
he'll be a big man. Old there is you know,
I mean, I don't know. Bishop. I love the fact
you listen to my show, and I love the fact
that you call. Yeah, right, you bet. You look, God
may want to forgive him. You know, I'm like you,
I'm Christian.
Speaker 9 (38:22):
Just just just pray. God sees his old and understand.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
So just pray.
Speaker 9 (38:28):
And you know, hey, either way, he's going to have
to face judgment for that, and I'll face judgment from
voting for to execute him. I'm willing to do that.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Well, we'll see, we'll see. Bishop, Thank you so much.
I really do appreciate your listening to this program. Thank you,
my friend. We'll talk soon, okay, Bishop right of Raydom. Thanks. Bishop.
All right, got to take a break here at the
ten o'clock News. I'll stick with this into the next
hour if you want. If you're on the line, great,
if you call in, and if not, we'll switch and
(39:01):
we'll switch to another topic. Coming back on Nightside.
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, I don't mean to offend any of our listeners
in the Great Northwest, but boy, there's been a couple
of weird stories that have come out of Idaho in
the last couple of days.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
You had the guy up in the hillt Mountains who
up close to the Canadian border, who decides to set
a fire in the forest. You get a little bit
warm up in that neck of the wood, so he's
got a pretty good fire going and he's, uh, he's popping.
Firefighters killed two firefighters and the third is in tough shape.
(00:42):
This was a horrific case, but not that any case
is more or less horrific. But I can't think of
a worse case than the case of Brian Coburger. This
is a guy who you remember, I mean, he was
(01:04):
the guy that that now is pleading guilty to killing
four students four students at the University of Idaho, one
man and three women. This was near in Moscow, Idaho,
which is a community that I have some familiarity with.
(01:26):
Worked with a couple of people from Moscow, Idaho in
the business, people whose names you would know, but We'll
leave that for another day. And so this guy, basically
up close and personal, Okay, nearly three years after the murders,
set to go to trial in August, He for years
(01:50):
and years and years has fought against it. I'm sure
you remember all of the publicity when it occurred. At
these these students were killed, we assume by an individual.
We didn't know who it was, and there was some
great police work done that spotted his car. He was
(02:13):
a student at another nearby college, and he now, according
to everything that I've read, has decided to reach a
plea deal to avoid the death penalty. According to a
letter that prosecutors sent to relatives of the victims. Are
reading from a piece written out of The New York
(02:34):
Times from yesterday. I also have an associated press piece
here that I'm relying upon. I didn't cover this story closely.
We didn't do too much about it, but I want
to talk about it tonight. The New York Times articles
by two reporters, Mike Baker and Nicholas Bogel borrows Colberger
had been set to go on trial murder in August,
(02:54):
nearly three years after the killing. So the killings were
I believe in November of twenty twenty two, there was
a hearing set for this Wednesday. In a letter to
the victims' families on Monday, prosecutors said mister Coberger's defense
team had asked for a plea offer last week. Under
(03:15):
the proposed agreement, which must be approved by the judge
in this case, and that's an important element, Coberger would
plead guilty to all charges and be sentenced to four
consecutive life sentences and waive all rights to appeal. This
guy obviously doesn't want the death penalty. Now, the people
(03:39):
who he killed, they were young. He was thirty at
the time, which is young, okay, But he killed and
I want to mention their names, Ethan Chapin, Zana Kernoodle,
Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Consalvus at a rental home near
(03:59):
the camp in Moscow, Idaho. This was in November twenty
twenty two. Autopsy showed the four were all likely asleep
when they were attacked the coward that this guy is.
Some had defensive wounds and each was stabbed multiple times. Now,
of course, at the time, no one could figure out
(04:19):
how does one person get into a house and kill
four people without waking others, and apparently the phone call
to the police didn't occur until seven hours The crime
occurred apparently like at three point thirty four o'clock four
point thirty in the morning, and the police were not
called until very late in the morning. He was a
(04:43):
criminal justice graduate student at Washington State University in Washington.
He was arrested in Pennsylvania weeks after the killing. Investigators
said that they matched his DNA to genetic material recovered
from a knife sheep to the crime scene. Some of
this might be coming back to you. The killing shook
(05:04):
the small farming community of about twenty five thousand people.
It's pretty good size for farming community. In a letter
cited by In the letterative family cited by EBC, prosecutors
said his lawyers approached them again seeking the plea deal,
and under the proposed agreement, the prosecutor said they met
(05:25):
with available family members last week before deciding to make
Colberger an offer. So wait a second, his lawyers come
and say, hey, make us an offer. We can't refuse,
And so the prosecutors out there, instead of saying yeah,
we'll make you an offer. You can have grapefruit juice
or orange juice. The morning of your execution. No, they
(05:47):
turned around and they said, Okay, plead guilty to everything,
and you'll get consecutive sentences. So bot it's interesting when
you think about it. He's years old. I guess he
was twenty seven at the time. The people who he
killed wereng like twenty one, twenty two. I'll get the
(06:07):
numbers for you if you add up their ages. He
killed people who had lived about eighty years and then yeah,
the ages. Two of the victims were twenty one and
two of the victims were twenty. They had spent a
typical Saturday night out near the university campus and returned
(06:29):
to the house in the early hours of Sunday a roommate.
This is according to the New York Times article. A
roommate who survived the attack said she heard what sounded
like crying coming from a room of one of the women.
She later told police that she had opened a door
and seen a man with bushy eyebrows in black clothes
and a mask. The man left the house, and the
roommate began texting with another surviving roommate downstairs before taking
(06:53):
refuge in her room, but neither she nor anyone else
called the police until more than seven hours later a
friend came to the house and discovered the body of
one of the victims. In the years before the killings,
Coburger eleven the Times reversed to everybody as mister, I'm
(07:14):
not going to do that. Coburger indicated he was interested
in studying criminals. In a message to a friend in
twenty eighteen, he wrote that he would like a job
dealing with high profile offenders. Oh, you're going to deal
with high profile offenders now. A few months before the murders,
he posted on Reddit asking people who had spent time
in prison to describe their thoughts, motions, and actions from
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the beginning to end of the crime commission process. Okay,
I think we can say. He was a criminology PhD
student at Washington State University, but it was just about
a twenty minute drive from the crime scene. He had
grown up in Pennsylvania study psychology and college. He was
(07:58):
arrested in December of twenty two at his parents' home
in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania, about six weeks after
the killing. Now defense team had tried to suppress some
of the evidence, including the knight sheaf found at the
cream the scene of the crime, and that record show
(08:18):
he had purchased a knife of that kind of matching
the sheath in the months before the killings. Video footage
showed a car similar to his circling the neighborhood around
the time of the debts. I believe that it was
the car that was then found in a parking lot
at his university in the state of Washington. So my
(08:39):
question is pretty simple, Okay the families. Gonsalves's family expressed
outrage in a Facebook post. We're beyond furious at the
State of Idaho. They have failed us. Please give us
some time. This was very unexpected. I'm sure the other
families are feeling very much the same way. I can't
(09:01):
imagine how they must feel tonight. The prosecutor said, this
resolution is our sincere attempt to seek justice for your family. Really,
this agreement insures the defendant will be convicted, will spend
the rest of his life in prison, and will not
(09:21):
be able to put you and other family members through
the uncertainty of decades of post conviction appeals. Your viewpoints
weighed heavily in our decision making process, and we hope
that you may come to appreciate. Why believe this, Why
we believe this resolution is in the best interest of
judges in idahop judges may reject plea agreements, though such
(09:42):
moves are rare. If a judge rejects a plea agreement,
the defendant is allowed to withdraw his guilty plea. Obviously
that was untrue. That is absolutely true. There would be
no reason for the guilty flee to remain. Bottom line
is I want to hear from you in this one,
this punk. He took four lives of four people who
were you know, several eight years his junior. He was
(10:04):
twenty seven or so at the time. He's thirty. Now. Yeah,
he'll spend the rest of his life in jail. He'll
probably end up in the supermax in Colorado. As one
of these high profile killers. How can he be put
into a general population. I don't think that's possible. They
should have tried this case, and since in Idaho the
(10:26):
people of Idaho have a death penalty, he should have
been executed in my opinion, because of the crime that
he committed. This was not a crime of passion. This
was not a barroom fight in which somebody hit their head.
This was killing four beautiful young people, literally as they slept.
(10:46):
You could not have a more cowardly action by an individual,
in my opinion, to take the lives of four innocent
young people six seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. First of all, should this judge accept the appeal,
we'll probably not geting much impact in Idaho, to be
(11:07):
honest with you, but I think the fact that we
can talk about it maybe somehow, some way it might
impact the judge. I don't know. I'm sure that the
prosecutors are going to do the very best they can
and the judge gets to dispose of the case and
moves on. But I don't think this is fair to
the memories of the victims. I really don't. And this
(11:29):
is another case where clearly this guy has admitted his guilt.
You might say he's just a sick animal to have
done this. Okay, that's fine. You want to convict him,
and you want to spare him the death penalty because
he's a sick animal. I'm okay with that, but I'm
not okay with using the death penalty as a bargaining ship.
(11:49):
This guy is clearly guilty, and he has used the
presence of the death penalty in Idaho to get a
sweeter deal from his prosecution. There was no way he
is going to be acquitted none whatsoever. Back on Nightside
six one seven, two ten thirty six one seven, nine
three one ten thirty. I know idols of our far
away placement is part of the United States of America
(12:12):
and this should not stand. Coming back on Nightside, it's
Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio. Or
let's go to the phones. Let's go to Gideon in Franklin, Massachusetts. Gideon,
welcome to Nightside. How are you?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I don't I'm okay. How are you?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I'm doing just great? So what what? What do you
think is going on out here? I mean, I don't
understand why prosecutors would not be interested in, uh in,
in following through on this this trial.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
I agree, I fully agree. You know, I'm from England.
We don't have the death penalty there, and the death
penalty I think is a little alien to me. But
you know what, if there was ever a kay where
someone deserved it, it's this one. Yeah, you know, I
mean that's what I think.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
You know, this is not the thing that's amazing about
this is that any one of us who went to college,
or who has children who went to college, or has
grandchildren who are in college, now they can understand that
you're a You're in a house and there's a you know,
three or four bedrooms and people are off in different rooms.
(13:31):
And this guy comes in in the dead of knight
wearing a mask with a knife at four o'clock in
the morning with intention to kill. This is not some
guy who got into a fight because everybody had too
much to drink and push somebody off the second floor
roof and the he killed four people in usually up
close and personal.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Yeah, it's the factor, isn't it. It's the It's the
not mitigating the opposite, the aggravating factors, you know, laying
in wait.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yes, driving around and he must have been.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah, I didn't know what happened for four children. I mean,
you know, and this is big news. I was amazed
because I thought he was going to go to trial.
But if I was the family, I would be outraged
right now, I really would.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And I feel for them, well, some of them are
get in I don't know if I've had you on
as a caller before.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
You a new Yeah, I called about Karen Reid.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Oh okay, all right, so we got you back. That's good.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, Yeah, I called and I said I didn't think
she was a murderer. And I think that that that
case turned out the way it should.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, I mean, you know, you know as well as
I do. I just want to make a quick comment
that when the jury comes back in this country, they
never say innocent. Hers might be a case of actual innocence,
I get it, but the jury officially said simply not guilty.
Different in English. What brought you over here to this country?
Are you over here for good or working? Or what
(15:06):
are you doing?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yeah, so I'll tell you. My son has autism. He
was diagnosed at age five in nineteen ninety eight. So
we came, we came to America. We came to the
to Boston, to the Boston Higashi scored because he has autism,
and he had he's had the most amazing therapy and
(15:28):
you know, he's still I wouldn't say he's recovered completely,
but he'd learned to talk and he's done really well.
So yeah, we came over here for Joshua, my son,
who's well, he's thirty two now, and he lives. He
lives over here and he's doing really well.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Well, that's that's fabulous. And I is he in a
group home of some sort? I assume is it.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, he's in a group home during the week, but
he comes home on weekends, so he comes to mind
the other weekend, and his mother's every other weekend and vacation,
so you know, he's based in the group home, but
he sees you know, he sees me every other weekend
and we have we have great life.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I know a lot of parents who have children with autism,
and the parents are the most amazing people that I've
ever met, to be really honest with you, and I
mean that seriously. Uh. There's a school in Southborough that
that deals with uh, you know, young people with autism. Uh.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
And they do the New England Center.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
New England Center for Children. Yes, I've done some fundraising
with them and made appearances with them, and my family,
to the best of my knowledge, has never been touched
by autism, even extended members of my family. But the
parents of those children at the New England school, and
I'm sure, like you and your wife, you work on
(16:57):
behalf of your child and it's it's an amazing it's
an amazing experience to watch from the outside. And I
just think that my hat's off to you, Gideon, and
to your wife and to your son, and.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
I appreciate it. Well, I'll tell him you said so,
he would appreciate it. He hit the main center. So
we're very lucky, really very lucky. But thank you.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Appreciate it well, Gideon, thank you, and continue to call
my program. And I really appreciate you participating tonight.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Well, absolutely well, thank you, Dan, have a good one.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
You too, Gideon. Goodnight. We have great callers. We have
a great, great group of callers here on this program,
and so i'd like you to become a caller. If
you've never called before, please identify yourself as a first
time caller, because that's how we spread our audience a
little bit and how we bring more people into the tent,
the proverbial tent of Nightside. We're talking about the case
(17:52):
of Brian Colberger. He is the criminal who decided on
one Saturday night Sunday morning in November of twenty twenty
two that he wanted to kill some people, and he
killed four young people, four innocent young people, each of
them killed while they slept, and you know, when you're
in the in a deep sleep, imagine what it's like
(18:15):
to wake up and realize someone is there stabbing you.
You don't even know, you don't even know if it's
a dream or reality, and by time you figure it out,
it's too late. So he knew exactly when he wanted
to do, what he wanted to do, and how he
wanted to do it. And now we'll get to Hidie
in Beverly. I don't want to short cut, short change
(18:36):
Hidi in Beverly because we're coming up on a newscast
and just turned nine thirty, so we're going to take
the news. We have Haidi and Beverly, we have Matt
and Franklin. There'll be our second call from Franklin tonight
and I got room for you. It's six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
We will be back on night side right after the
news break. I'd like to know from you. Are you
(18:58):
as upset as I am that this I'm just not
going to say what I really want to say. But
this individual is able to escape the death penalty, which
is available in Idaho by simply copying a plea so
that he will serve four consecutive life sentences. He'll never
get out. I hope they put him in general population,
(19:21):
but he'll never be in general population either. Uh. And
I'm sure that he will have his groupie fans who
will be in touch with him, just like Luigi Mangioni
has his groupie fans that I don't understand. But that's
a story for another night. Here comes the news, be
right back on Nightside, coming back. We got some lines
six one, seven, two, four, ten thirty six one seven,
(19:43):
nine three, one thirty. Later on tonight, we're going to
talk about Trump's Big Beautiful Bill, which has at least
in one incarnation past the Senate. Back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's Use Radio.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Okay, let's go to Heidi and Beverly. How do your
thoughts on what's going on out in Idaho with this murderer.
I think copping a sweet deal.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Oh my god, I totally agree with you. I think
that the judge would reject the plea deal. I mean,
I'm a mother of five. I can't even imagine what
these parents are going through. I mean, it's horrible.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, that's my that's my sense of your.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Child death penalty. Why shouldn't he get the death penalty?
And I'm not a proponent of the death penalty, but
in this case, i am, it.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Says the family of Kayleie Gonzales.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
The local one of the.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Victims criticized the prosecution team for failing to consult with
the families, some of them had worked to change Idaho
law to allow the firing square as a form of
capital punishment. After more than two years, he should get it. Yeah,
I just want to quote from them, they say, after
more than two years, this is how it concludes, with
(21:10):
a secretive deal and a hurried effort to close the
case without any input from the victims' families on the
plea details. The consolv family said in a statement and
their letters of the family, prosecutors wrote, the plea deal
was our sincere attempt to seek justice, justice for you.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Well, the judge still has the opportunity to, you know,
prove that whole thing, which I'm hoping he does well.
And I take people in the country gets upset about it,
then they should, well.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I have this judge has some courage and if he does.
He should get a Profile and Courage award from the
from the Kennedy Library, although he probably won't, it'll be interesting.
I don't know that the court system in Idaho. I
have some friends in that hole, so I have a
little knowledge of the state. But they've just had these
(22:07):
horrible incidents. This incident and the one over the weekend
with a guy set a fire so that firefighters will
come up.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
And my son's a firefighter in devl A, you know,
so it's really upsetting that he could be ambushed going
to a call, you know, to save people's lives. That
I totally agree with you. I think that the judges
stick up and say, now we're not going to allow
(22:35):
a plea deal. And as I said previously, I'm not
a proponent of the death penalty, but in this case
I am.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Well, I'm with you. I'm with you, Heidi. I hope
you continue to call my program. I need your voice
as well.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
And thank you so much for taking my call.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well, thank you for calling in, and also thank you
for having five children, one of whom is a firefighter.
A great public servant, those are the real you know,
when the politicians call themselves public servants, I laugh at that.
The real public servants of the firefighters, police officers, and
EMTs uh and those who put themselves in Yeah, the
wod guys danger you got it. The good guys and
(23:15):
the good gals too. Thank you, Heidi, appreciate you all
have a great name. Thank you, good welcome, by good night,
by bye. Okay, let's keep rolling here. And as they say,
one line at six one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty,
and we got one at six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. Let me go back to the calls,
and we're going to bring Matt in Franklin, Massachusetts up. Matt,
(23:36):
welcome to Night's side. Neither the second caller from Franklin Tonight,
Matt going ahead.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah. I personally think this is more like a financial
decision for the state of Idaho than more than anything else.
I mean, there's not like a state that has a
lot of money for those state and local government, and
this trial's gonna cost millions of dollars and be like
a show, and they seem to like just want to
avoid and get over number. Hopefully the judge tosses out
(24:04):
now you hope.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I don't know if judges in different states for judges.
It's different. So in some states judges are appointed by
the governor, as they are here in Massachusetts. In some
other states they stand for election. If this is an
elected judge, I hope that he will be listening to
us what his constituents would say. And I think, just
on the principle, it's not fair. You take four lives,
(24:28):
you kill four. You know, these are people in twenty
and twenty one years old, and you're gonna stop their life.
Four people, and then it's only going to cost you
life in prison.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I think the other thing that's peculiar about this case
is the father flying out there to drive cross country
with the sun in December. It's like most people when
they go cross country, they go out in the fall
or the spring of the summer. They don't go out,
they don't go cross country the Rockies in December. And
it's that happened like right after the car became known
(25:05):
to the public. I don't think the family maybe knew
he did it, but they probably wanted to get the
car out of there, so they're weirdo sudden when get
her ass. But that is pretty suspicious. And then I
think another thing too, with the roommates not calling. I mean,
maybe the school's like I know it's on Utah, but
it's like probably maybe similar with the strict standards where
(25:27):
they probably didn't want to call the police if there
was like drugs and alcohol there. And I can't believe
it in call for seven hours. And it's probably also
not the first time they saw some like random person
walking through the kitchen late at night too. But I
think that's crazy that he missed the two witness systems.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, I agree with you. The case did seem to
have that odd aspect. I remember there was he when
Coburg became identified as a suspect. He was driving the
car and his father was in the passenger seat and
they was stopped by a by a state police office
(26:04):
or a highway patrol officer. I think it was in
Ohio somewhere like that.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
And yeah, it was Indiana twice, okay, yeah, right right
next to Ohio.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I was close, close, but no cigar, and it was
it was there from the world to see and you
could see that that he looked he had that squirrely
look on his face like he was leaning over the
steering wheel, like can I help you, officer? It almost
looked like he was expecting.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
I guess they lost the FEDS along the way because
they went a different way home and they got picked
back up probably on like a camera speed camera and Indiana,
and that's why they pulled them over. It's like the
pictures of him. But yeah, I mean, there's no way
he was going to get out of it with the DNA,
and it's kind of amazing that he forgot the sheet.
Supposedly he brought like a dustbuster and a bunch of
(26:54):
other things. I'm just hoping there is a trial because
it would be interesting to watch it. And I feel
like the family is more like they want their fifteen
minutes of fame and their voice heard. I mean, I
I do understand that there so what you said he
brought it?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
You said, did you read that he brought a dustbuster?
You mean, like to clean up after the mess.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Yeah, And then when they went to his apartment, they
took like a shop back out of there. And then
when he went home, he was like trying to throw
his crash and neighbors trash cans on his own, and
the afraid they're all like trying to find the DNA.
But wow, well, I mean that that also shows you
like how oft the whole cell phone triangulation is, because
(27:35):
I mean they're like, oh, you're on, like they're here,
but he may be like, all right, well, the only
place open in town is like right around the corner.
So I mean he sort of had like everything covered
except for the fact that he left the bloody sheath
with his blood and sweat on it.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
So also but as his car, remember his car was
spotted on some sort of circling the area, and then
there was a security guard at the University of Washington
that saw what was a similar car in their parking lot.
I think that was the case.
Speaker 9 (28:06):
That yeah, that's yeaheah, that broke it.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Over and then had he previously was pulled over when
they had that tale.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
So that's a good one. That's a good one. Hey, Matt,
I appreciate you call very much. Thank you, my friend.
We talk soon. We've got to take a very quick break,
I promise, and then we'll be back. And I got Dave,
I got Bishop right down in Rainham, Laurie's in Idaho.
I got to get Laurie on here and Josephine and Needham.
We'll get everybody in I promise coming back on nightside.
(28:34):
You're on night side. Let me go right to the
heart of it. Let's go to Idaho. Laurie, thank you
very much for calling in tonight. Always appreciate your calls,
but particularly in this one. How has this decision been
received amongst those folks who know this case better than
us in Idaho?
Speaker 9 (28:56):
Shock?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, I think everybody, everybody shocked, hurt. One of the
one of the families, I think it was Mogan's parents
didn't was never for the death penalty in the first place.
I think, pretty strong Christian belief there, and so they
have been a little bit more accepting I guess of
this the day they wanted over and they're happy with
(29:19):
him having to think every day in prison about what
he what he ruined in the world. But everybody else,
I'm disgusted. I'm just holding on to hope that maybe
that judge will say, nay, nay, nay.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Are your judges elected out there or appointed?
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I think I think I read that this one was appointed.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
YEA, this would be I assume, I assume this would
not be what you call what we would call here
a district court judge. This is a capital case. So
it'd be at a superior court level.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I mean, right, they call a district out here, but
it's the equivalent of the superior back there. Yeah, okay,
And he was apported by the he was appointed by
the previous governor who I forget his name, like somebody Bucks, somebody, yeah,
or butchered somebody.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Definitely a Republican, that's for sure, But it'll be interesting
to see if he rejects you know them. When the
prosecution agrees on a deal like this, it's tough for
a judge to say no, I'm not going to go now,
because everybody is saying yes. But I think it's going
to depend on with the families if gonsalves. The family
(30:22):
is obviously the most outspoken.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
But this is this is a hard and it didn't
sound like they were part of any They didn't agree
to it. I mean they were they were caught off
guard by this letter that came, yeah, from the prosecutor.
I mean maybe there'd been some talk about it as
more like the letter came explaining why they're doing it,
why it's in their best interest, in.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Blah blah, the other which most prosecutors on a case
like a high profile case, like this. They want to
try the case because they want to be able to say, hey,
I convicted my I was the prosecutor who convicted this guy.
It's weird that the prosecutors on the case this high
profile and this group and this personal. I mean, this
(31:03):
is some This is not a guy who fired a
gun from one hundred yards away and pops somebody. He
climbed now onto the bed and killed these people while
they slept.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, it was personal vengeance.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
I don't know if.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I don't know if he was aware of them, neew
of them, I don't know. Obviously, the two college campuses
are relatively close together. But I don't know. He's just
a sicko and he does not deserve to spend the
rest of his life in jail.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
This is a horrible thing to say, but he has
that kind of look of somebody.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
He's a creepy look, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
And maybe it's the fact that he's wearing the orange jumpsuit,
but I get that. Well, you're going to be our
Idaho corresponding on this. I want you to keep on
top of this for us. Okay, I'm serious, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Tell you this one caught me off guard. I heard
that the yesterday was like what thought.
Speaker 9 (31:50):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. You can't say that
in the radio, but we certainly understand what you're feeling,
that's for sure. Sorry, thank you much. I appreciate you.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
I'll stay on it.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Thank you for taking my.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Let me go to Dave and brighton. Dave, you're next
night soccer right ahead, Dave.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Hi Dan.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
I just tuned in.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
I was watching closing argument with Vinnie Polatino. They had
a lot of the i'd hoole prosecutors on there in Idaho.
And when they have a change of plea like there
is in this case, the the victims family, the three
that are upset, they're going to have a chance to speak.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Also, the.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
The they have a different attorneys, having like a metric line.
And the thing was so many people called and complaining
they wiped out the system so pretty big, pretty big
an Idaho.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I mean, like.
Speaker 7 (32:52):
I mean, the other three they were the most beautiful
girls I've ever seen in my life. And I can't
blame the outlar. You know that this is causing and
you know it's one thing to do life in prison
on death row, and it's another thing doing life knowing
that you're gonna, you know, die, You're not waiting for
somebody to say okay, time to go.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Yeah, no, I get it. And by the way, they were,
they were attractive young people, but that has nothing.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
To do with it.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
Day.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
No, No, he's a mass murderer, right right, right.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Both of those says these children. Uh, and they were
children at twenty twenty one. Yes, yes, yes, they are
each the son or daughter of of of a loving parents.
And uh, it's impressive. It's impossible to understand, Dave. I
appreciate you call very much. Appreciate the updates even though
you plunge some some podcasts that I have no idea
who will die. But let me go to Josephine and
(33:48):
need him. I'm gonna say, Reverend Bishop Wright for last,
go ahead, Josephine, I gotta get you, and I gets
go ahead, Josephine.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
I believe he's feeling like I won. I took you
people over the colds for three years and now I'm winning.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yes, I couldn't agree anymore.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
It just didn't look on his face. It's like I won.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, like I did what I wanted to do. And
whether or not as a as a student of murder,
and which is what he's studying. Maybe he felt he
had to do this to understand who knows what went
on in his sick, twisted mind. And now he's thinking
to himself, I'm the smartest guy in the room. Well, yeah,
(34:33):
you're the smartest guy in the world. But you're never
going to see the light of day. And if it
had the way of most people, you'd the last thing
you'd see would be a bullet moving towards your forehead.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
Right, But he is down the down. Years later, can
they turn around and he's been so good and such a.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Oh absolutely, you know, twenty five years from now, and
he first of all, he's going to find Jesus in prison.
They all find Jesus. He's going to take some college courses,
he's going to get his degree, and then he's going
to be involved in a teaching program teaching English to
(35:14):
inmates who English is not their first language. And he
may have a Bible study group. That's the other thing
that is always very good, have a Bible study group.
And then he's a changed person. He's not the same
person who killed these four people. Back what year was
it now, Oh? Yeah, yes, it was twenty twenty two.
(35:34):
That's a long time ago. Our new governor is going
to commute his sentence in an act to do that.
Sure they can, they can. Governors have pary plenary powers,
and you know, you could, they could have you know,
he could get sick in prison, he could, he could
develop a disease, and they could give him some sort
(35:56):
of a you know, a parole, medical parole. There's lunch
they can do. And you never know where this country
will be twenty years from now. Josephine, thank you much,
We think alike. Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Good night, Bishop right and rain and Bishop right. I'm
gonna shop you a little bit on time here because
you called in a little late that I want to
hear what you have to say.
Speaker 9 (36:21):
Well, you know, really I used to say, you know,
an individual of this nature, he's already dead. He's just
a dead man walking. So he's already dead to me
and my nice dance. I mean, many scholars you're talking
about come to Jesus moments. But you know, many biblical
(36:45):
schols will say, well, you know, Paul in the Bible,
he was a Christian killer and he killed a lot
of Christians, and as the Lord turned him around. Okay, fine,
But living in this day and time, and you know
there where there's two natures in us. One nature was
against the other nature. When I would do good, evil
as always pleasant and on my end, I gotta say
(37:07):
I'm with you then, because you know, he does not
deserve he does not deserve to I feel in my
humanistic side, I don't even feel that he deserves to
be a dead man living, much less a dead man walking,
you know, because I mean, you cowardly, you know, just
(37:30):
took four innocent lives in their sleep. Not only that
your six is going on in your mind. So my
thing is my thing? Is you like the last call?
I agreed, you know what she had said. You know
you think you won. Okay, let me let us show
(37:52):
you how we're gonna win. And with you know, you're
gonna quietly go you know, lethal injectal dejection or whatever.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah. No, he'll he'll be he'll be a big he'll
be a big man. Uh you know in the South,
he'll be a big man. Old there is you know,
I mean, I don't know. Bishop. I love the fact
you listen to my show, and I love the fact
that you call. Yeah, right, you bet. You look, God
may want to forgive him. You know, I'm like you,
I'm Christian.
Speaker 9 (38:22):
Just just just pray. God sees his old and understand.
Speaker 6 (38:27):
So just pray.
Speaker 9 (38:28):
And you know, hey, either way, he's going to have
to face judgment for that, and I'll face judgment from
voting for to execute him. I'm willing to do that.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Well, we'll see, we'll see. Bishop, Thank you so much.
I really do appreciate your listening to this program. Thank you,
my friend. We'll talk soon, okay, Bishop right of Raydom. Thanks. Bishop.
All right, got to take a break here at the
ten o'clock News. I'll stick with this into the next
hour if you want. If you're on the line, great,
if you call in, and if not, we'll switch and
(39:01):
we'll switch to another topic. Coming back on Nightside.
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