September 23, 2025 • 39 mins
With the breaking news that Applegreen, the company with the winning bid to take control of Massachusetts' service areas, walking away from the lease talks, Dan opened the phones to Caller's Choice, with so many stories to discuss!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's
Beech Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Here's what I think we're gonna do. If it's okay
with you guys, and I hope it is, because obviously
the audience is a big portion of Nightside. There's a
lot of talk show hopes that like to just kind
of tell you what they think.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'll tell you what I.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Think, but I more importantly want to know what you think.
So I'm going to go open lines this hour. But
before we do that, I will tell you there's a
big story that is breaking tonight here in Massachusetts. Should
have perhaps mentioned this earlier, but if not, we'll go
to it tomorrow. I think you know that in the
last a few weeks, we have been covering the deal
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to revamp all of the service plazas on the Massachusetts Turnpike.
There are eleven of them on the Massachusetts Turnpike, as
well as seven others around the state. Some of them
are on there's a couple on Route twenty four, there's
a few on one twenty eight, and there's some individual ones.
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I think there's one in Beverly and another I think
for some reason Bridgewater. I get all of that information
for you. But the decision was made by the Massachusetts
Department of Transportation a couple of weeks ago to award
the contract. It's a thirty five year contract that is
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worth you know, untold billions of dollars. Okay, when you
talk about thirty five years, thirty five years from today,
would take us back to the September of nineteen ninety
when George Herbert walker Bush was still president, just to
give it some context. And this company from Ireland, an
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Irish retailer called Applegreen, won the contract. Now there was
that was the decision made by the Massachusetts Department of Transportation,
which obviously also is influenced by the Governor's office. And
late today, after Applegreen won the contract, they had not
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crossed all the t's and dotted all the eyes in
the contract. There was a local company called Global Partners
out of wallfam who actually runs some of the turnpike
service plazas now that protested and said that they did
not get a fear shot and they were alleging some
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conflicts of interest. And as a matter of fact, we
had a representative of Global Partners on.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
At least a couple.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Of weeks ago maybe more, and we also had a
representative of Applegreen. We had Eric Slifkap who was the
president and CEO of Global Partners, on September third, Wednesday
of this month. The two nights later, on Friday, September fifth,
we had Diana Prishota, who was the representative of Applegreen,
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on to talk about We did an hour with both
of them. Well, the award was given to Applegreen. Global
Partners filed some lawsuits and they also filed some Freedom
of Information Acts requests. They've gotten some of that information
and late today Tuesday afternoon, the winner of the contract,
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the Irish retailer Applegreen, announced that it has terminated leased negotiations.
I'm reading now from an article to John Chester of
the Globe staff wrote, just so we have it, you know,
perfectly precise negotiations with the Massachusetts Department of Transportation to
redevelop eighteen highway service plazas, including eleven along the mass Turnpike.
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Mass DOT originally awarded this lucrative lease contract to Applegreen
in June and had hoped to finalize the leaks negotiations
by early November, with a goal of starting the redevelopment
in January, losing bid or Global Partners had wasged a
media and government relations battle to overturn the bid, and
also has a lawsuit pending in Suffolk Superior Court aimed
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at preventing mass DOT from going forward with Applegreen. Applegreen
is backed by Blackstone, a big private equity company, and
sources are telling me tonight that Blackstone is the one
that really and they're the money people here that polled
the deal that they got tired of dealing with Massachusetts.
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The statement that was released by Applegreen. After three months
of good faced negotiations, Applegreen and mass Dot have not
reached agreement on definitive terms for the redevelopment of eighteen
motorway service areas in Massachusetts. The open issues have significant
implications for the commercial viability of the concession award. These
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commercial realities have been coupled with costly and continued litigation
threats from an opposing bidder that have jeopardized the project's
timeline and financing. In light of these circumstances, Applegreen has
terminated ongoing least discussions. Now tonight, there's a statement from
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Global Partners, which is the local company, and they say,
this is a statement from Eric Slifka, who is the
CEO and president of Global Partners. They're a big company.
They are big, big fortune five hundred company based here
in Massachusetts, who claimed that they had a better bid,
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and they were also sort of the home team. Apple
Green's decision to walk away underscores the very concerns raised
for months. Their proposal was never financially sound and never
in the best interest to the Culmwolf. Independent reviews by
KPMG and mass Dot's own experts found that Apple Green's
terms failed to satisfy the state's revenue goals, falling hundreds
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of millions of dollars short of the guaranteed rent Global
Partners committed, leaving the state's budget short from day one.
There withdrawal confirms those risks were real, and with troubling
questions about conflicts of interest and ethics violation still unresolved,
it is clear Apple Green was the wrong choice for
Massachusetts Global Partner. Global Partners has been rooted in Massachusetts
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for four generations. We're prepared to step in with a proven,
low risk transition plan that guarantees one point five billion
in rent and delivers on clean energy, diversity and community
commitments from day one. This process has been difficult for
all involved, and taxpayers have already lost valuable time. We
stand ready to move forward honestly, transparently, and in the
best interest of our commonwealth. And that is a statement
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that is attributed to Eric Slifka, the CEO of President
of Global Partners. This is a huge story. It's an
economic story, but it's a huge story, and we have
not heard the end of it. It is unclear tonight
whether or not the mass Department of Transportation now will
try to negotiate an agreement with Global Partners, who was
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the runner up in the competitive bid process, or whether
they will open the contract up to a completely new
round of bidding. So nothing is simple in Massachusetts, folks.
And Blackstone apparently is the moving factor on the other
side and has decided that they are not going to
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deal with Massachusetts. There's going to be some political fallout here.
I know that this is something that is going to
end up back at the Governor's office, and it is a.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Very delicate situation.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
And I'm sure a governor he is not interested in,
uh spending a lot of time. But now I think
she has to deal with this.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
So here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna take a break.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm gonna go I don't expect you to respond to
this story because this story is just breaking. But for
those of you who have an interest in it, you
get you know, news and talk here on nights side,
and when news breaks, we we've tried to stay ahead
of it, particularly stories that we are we are very
much aware of. I'm gonna go open lines from now
and to midnight, so you can call in and make suggestions.
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You can ask whatever questions you want. You can comment
on anything we've talked about tonight. You can talk about
Jimmy Kimmel. You can talk about President Trump's address to
the United Nations. Uh, it is all on the table
six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three,
one ten thirty. I hope you'll write those those numbers
down that will get you through, and we will talk
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between now and midnight.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Again.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
My thoughts are important to me. They may be of
some importance to you, but what is most important to
me are your thoughts. And so tomorrow night we will
at nine o'clock be speaking with the President of Brandeis
University one of the great universities and colleges here in
the in the Boston area out located in Walfare, but
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it is a college with a national footprint. Uh, and
we were looking looking forward to find out what's going
on at Brandeis. I believe that interview tomorrow night will
be at nine o'clock six one seven, two, five, four
ten thirty six one seven, nine, ten thirty. This is
a quick break, so hurry up and dial back after this.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Night.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
All right, you can certainly talk about the Apple Green
decision to pull out of this deal. This is a
huge deal. This is a thirty five year contract and
for Apple Green to pull out raises a lot of
questions about how they were treated and how they've been
and uh, this is going to be this will be
a big issue in next year's gubernatorial campaign. Count on
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it unless the governor comes in and gets this result.
Joe's in Belmont, Joe, you are first us up on
this hour and nice saga right ahead, Joe, Joe.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I mean, Dan, I'd like to give you my thoughts
on Jimmy Kimmel. I agree with send it to tread
Ted Cruz of Texas. Yep, because I think when president,
when you agree with President Trump, you want him to
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be king, but it's unconstitutional, and I think being president,
it goes with the territory that you have to be criticized,
whether you like it or not. It's part of the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I agree with you. Look, I'm a First Amendment guy.
I'm Without the First Amendment, I would never radio show.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So I I agree with you on that.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I'm not sure, uh, that that the problem that Kimmel
dealt with or created was of his own making. I
believe that that was of his own making. And I
think that when the ABC affiliates like Sinclair and Next
Star said we're done with this guy, that forced the
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hand of ABC. You know, the comments that Brendan Carr
made were stupid. They shouldn't have been made. He you know,
he shot from the lip whatever you want to call it. Uh,
But yeah, I don't want to see the government. As
a matter of fact, I think Jeff Jacobi wrote a
piece today which I didn't read, in which he basically said, hey,
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let's uh, let's get rid of the FCC. Let the
broadcast networks do what they want. I'm not sure they
can that I would agree with that. I want to
read read Jeff's piece because the public airwaves are owned
in fact by by the government, by the public, and
unlike broadcast cable, which is which is not regulated by
the FCC. So I think there's another to see it
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the same way, Joe, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
And another thing, Dan, I didn't like this at all
when the Nazis marched on the Jewish people in Skuloka, Illinois.
But I approve of, you know, gatherings to demonstrate, because
the Jewish people can gather and demonstrate too, and let
both sides, you know, do it peacefully. And I approve
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of our constitution that way.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, me too, Joe. We're on the same page. Thank
you very much for your call. Appreciate it as always.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Very interesting questions.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Joe, let me go to Glenn and Brighton Glenn, you're
next on NI Saga right ahead.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah, I love it when you have open lines. I
want to say, God bless Sinclair. And who's that other
company that won't next?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Came on next?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Do?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
They're two privately owned companies and they have they have
a significant number of stations. Actually they cover about twenty
three percent of the country, a lot of stations in
the Midwest and in the South, and some stations.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
In New England and even California as well.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
It's not as if they're confined to you know, Alabama,
Mississippi and Georgia or something like that.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Right, But of course Channel eaton you Haven Connecticut in
nine and the interest are they're going to carry it
in five here in the you know, the work areas
are going to carry it.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, again, I think that every every television station does
what they think is in the best interest.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Of their their audience.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, they're well their.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Audience and and and ultimately by their shareholders. I mean
they you know, we live in a in a in
a system where.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah, yeah, you do.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You do television, you do radio. It's a business. It's
a business. And look, I have advertisers on my show,
and without advertisers on WBZ Radio wb he doesn't stay
in business.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Right, That's just the reality.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I mean some people say, hey, the ads, well, you know,
if you like the show, you should like the ads too,
because without the ads, the show the show goes dark.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Well, to me, the ads are necessary evil. They pay
the bills.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, they are and also they can benefit.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I mean, you know, and again I don't want to
be self serving here, but I will say that everything
that I advertise I have.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
A direct experience. I believe in the products.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And when I have someone call me and say I
was so happy that I that I bought Window World windows,
they're great, Dan, I'm glad that I heard about it.
Or someone tells me, hey, I'm now a member at
Eastern Bank, and I love Eastern Bank. What you say
about the people there is true, or I've lost some weight.
I can't tell you how many people call me on
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a wake in one eighty or people who get relief
from joint pain with prolotherapy.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I thought I was going to have to have surgery.
That makes me feel pretty.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I want to be honest with you. I'm not my favorite.
I'm not advertising snake oil on this program. I can't
tell you how many products I have turned down, Glenn.
I don't want to advertise something I don't believe in.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Right, my favorite ads to the electro the comb and electric.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, I mean there are certain ads that become cute
if there's funny and yeah, that's right, that's so, if
if if that allows you to to listen to the
ads and feel better about it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Then I'm I'm all for that simple.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
As I was telling you, I was telling you your producer.
If I had a choice between now, I'm dating myself
when I say this going back, if I had a
choice between a bad assid Trip and Jimmy Tingle, I
would take the bad ass and Trip. That's how I mean.
He makes me sick. He's not funny. He's waitings are
in the sewer, sewer where they should be.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Jimmy, I think you meant to say Jimmy Kimmel, not
Jimmy Tingle.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Jimmy Tingle, I meant Kimmel.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Yeah, yeah, Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Jimmy Tingles a friend of ours and a friend.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Of differend of mine too. He drove me home one
night over.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Well, yeah, if you went to a show and he
helps you out, that's Jimmy Kimmel wouldn't drive you home.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I don't think no Kingo was funny. He said, even
though you support Trump, I like you.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, okay, well that's fine, that's good trumpet.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, okay, great, Hey, Glenn, I got to try to
get one more in here before the break at.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
The bottom of the hour. Thanks for calling as always,
I appreciate it very much. Okay, thank you.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
I love when you do open lines.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Well, that's okay. Let's hope other people love it as well.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Let me go to We're gonna go next to I'm
gonna go to Bernie in New Hampshire. Bernie, you're next
on night Side. You're you're a go right ahead, Bernie.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Hey, we're doing tonight?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yes, well, doing a little bit better than the lines
of lit Up.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
They were a little quiet there last hour, which which
always troubles me.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
You are you looking forward to seeing Jimmy Kimmel tonight?
Speaker 7 (16:55):
No, oh, thank you, thank you. I'm gonna pass on
that one.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I'm just gonna saw on it.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
I just have a couple of points to bring up.
One the Apple Green thing I was, you know, you
had some very informative shows, and I would hope that
may have had something to do with this, because the
Massachusetts legislate, as we know, just does what they want
and that doesn't make it right. Doesn't make it right.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
The numbers were interesting, and again I was I was
intrigued by the fact that Global Partners, which I look
out as the whole team there were a great Massachusetts company.
They already did some of the service plazas and they
somehow got knocked out. There was something about that that
troubled me a little bit, like there's nothing I could
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hang my hat on, Bernie.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
But it just, uh, you know, on on. On the
face of it, there were more questions raised and answered right.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
And the second point I want to make I forget
who it was. But one of them people earlier that
a different.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Point of view.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
He asked him a question, you know, has Trump done
anything good? And I'm gonna answer. From my perspective, it
was it was funny watching the speech. He's so bragadecio.
It's it's actually humorous to me. But I take it
at what it is. That's the person he is, so
I can look past it. But the one thing that
I know, uh, my my wife and daughter.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Went down to d C.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
That was Frank's birthday in their twins, and they wanted
to spend the way them. I had to stay home
to take care of the dogs.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
The dogs that have had to back out.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
But my wife called me sadly and she said, Bernie,
she grew up in Quincy, and you know she went
to School at Suffolk in Boston, and she said, I
have never felt so safe in a city as I
did in Washington, d C. Now I've been to d
C quite a bit, and that's the one word I
would never use. I was there June thirty when that
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kid got shot. And so I'm just saying, uh, I
think Donald Trump is making up an excellent attempt at
making this country safer for everyone in it. And for
my wife to say something like that, they went, they
walked five miles, they went to all the monuments. He said,
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there was a national God presence, and it just made
a bill elise and safe. There was nothing intimidating about it.
And you know who doesn't like the national God, Damn Dan.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
A bad people, A bad people.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
And also a lot of the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And here's what I don't understand about it, Bernie, I
don't want to make it political. It seems to me
that if I happen to live in a poor community,
most crime, violent crime in this country happens in poor communities.
And the reason for that, from a sociological point of
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view is people there don't have as much money as
in the better neighborhoods, and they get situations where they
you know, they'll they'll they'll do shoplifting or whatever because
they you know, Look, if I was poor, I could.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I don't need to engage in crime.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I have, you know, money and a good job, and
and I'm very.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Grateful for that.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I would like to tell you that I've worked hard,
I went to school, and I did all the right things.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
But I also was pretty lucky along the way.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Okay, And there's a lot of people on the other
side of the tracks who probably were just as talented
as I was.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
But maybe they didn't have two parents, or maybe.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
They didn't get into the into a really good school,
and and maybe even they they found themselves in trouble
with the law. But but those people who live in
crime ridden communities, they deserve to live in just as
much safety and peace of mind as you and I
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and your wife and my and my wife. And I
don't understand why Democrats would not say, hey, if we
can make Chicago a little safer, and we can save
some kids' lives, and if we can make Memphis, Tennessee
a little safer, and we can make Washington, DC, and
we can make Boston a little safer, what's.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Wrong with that.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Hundred percent. Yeah, one hundred percent. Thank you for the time,
and UH.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
You have a good night, my friend, you too, and
please say, how do you son for us?
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Okay, thank you, thank you, thanks.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Please Brad Bernie's son is in the US military and
UH and serving us and serving our nation.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
We'll take a very quick break.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I got christ and Phil and Laurie, although not necessarily
in that order, UH and UH. I got one line
at six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty and
one line at six one, seven and nine thirty.
Speaker 8 (21:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Feel free to join the conversation and you can talk.
You can you can run the show. That's what you
can do right now. You can talk about whatever you want.
You can raise what a question. If there's some issue
that you feel we have ignored, I can'd of imagine
you can find one for me. But if there's some
issue that we have ignored, feel free to run it
by us.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
People all the time.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Will send me, send me emails, and sometimes I answer emails.
Sometimes I don't because sometimes I just don't have the time.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I get one hundred and fifty emails a day, at
least on a slow day, and it's tough it's tough.
So if I don't answer all your emails, I answer
as many as I can. We'll be back on night side.
We've got some open lines here. Let's keep it going.
Coming back right after.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
This, you're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
All right, we got full lines. I like that, and
no need to give the phone number here, so you
guys know what it is. Anyway, where we gotta go next.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I'm going out west all the way to Idaho. That's
not all Hi, it's Laurie and Idaho.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Hey, Laurie, thank you for calling in.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
Oh you get you're getting it right? Good?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, well, you know sometimes those states sound the.
Speaker 9 (23:06):
Same, they do the eyes and o's and oh my god.
But yeah, you got it.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I even mentioned Iowa. That's probably closer to Idaho. I
think geographically as well.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
Yeah, that is a question.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Is I know my geography?
Speaker 9 (23:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I know that's true. It's a it's a beautiful state.
What's up.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
Well, I have to thank you for that breaking news update.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 9 (23:35):
That is? Yeah, that's a thing about we could have
been really taken. It sounds like it was.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It was Wow, Well, apparently Blackstone is the one that's
the moving party here the money.
Speaker 9 (23:51):
But why because they couldn't pull the wool over Massachusetts.
I I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I mean, there's there's some litigation going on. I mean, look,
I don't know what. I have no idea where the
truth lie. Here a Global partner who's making some serious
allegations and and and obviously allegations and also implications. They
were suggesting conflicts of interest and all of that. We
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start using the language like that, that's pretty serious.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
And ye, they were.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
They were looking to get you know, text messages and
phone call records and all of that. And you know,
I don't know, maybe they got too close to the
nerve or something.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I think all of it is eventually going to come out,
and I don't and I think it will be. It
may very well become an issue in next year's present,
next year's gubernatorial campaign.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
That's what I'm saying. It's the mass Department of Transportation
that that reports directly to the governor.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
Right, Yeah, And it just understands the guy from Global
that you had on a couple of times, he just
he sounds legitimate, He sounded really offended, really upset. He
really thought something screwball was going on there and he didn't.
I think he had a lot of good points to make.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Well, he's an old it's an old Massachusetts company founded
I believe his great grandfather a hundred almost one hundred
years ago, when his sons are still you know, his
dad worked there. So and it's a big company. It's
on it's a fortune five hundred company.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
Very intelligently to what would what would be going on
and all, you know, how this transition would happen. Also
their stuff, you know what he's talking about. And people
were I think somebody at some point was criticizing one
of the areas and he's like, no, it's McDonald's own
that we're just doing the petroleum on that one. Not
so he knew what he was talking about, and I
think he really thought he got diddled. And I'm glad
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that he pushed hard enough for someone to I hope
they don't go back to ground zero and look for
for I.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Don't think they can, but I guess anything is impossible.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Anything and uh here it's Massachusetts, Laurie.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Come on, you know, I know, I mean, but anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Pretty serious stuff. But the fact that he came on
and and and played his case. We had him on
once in June, and then we brought him back after
Labor Day when when the decision had been made, and
we also had someone from Apple Green.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
Yeah I heard her too, you know, tried.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
To be is give everybody a chance, and well, you know,
let's let's let it. Let's let's get transparent. Everybody, all
all the politicians talk about being transparent. I want to
be really transparent here.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
Yeah, I'm going to hide and wait. This is gonna
be fun.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
You bet you you.
Speaker 9 (26:40):
Well, thanks for the update that made.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
No, Thank you very much. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay, thanks Lauren, all right, agreed, good night. Let's keep
rolling here. We're going next to my man Phil. He
wants to talk about the service areas as well. I
started the show with this tonight so.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
Far, but when I heard that that was there was
an issue with that global one, I almost like a
victory that had good. We find these people killing when
a deal, if this goes down and the inside is
what's going on? You talk about a million billion whatever
was And I want to repeat what the people said earlier.
The people that will call the global through reserved, very
(27:21):
well spoken. I mean, they laid out the numbers and
they probably when they I think they mentioned some of
the borus something new said, uh, doing some kind of
a search whatever they call that, you know, uh, the
fact find anything to see what kind of phone calls
were made. Because this is this serious stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
They were They were alleging that there was some behind
the scenes.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
You know, below the table dealing sort of.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Now I don't know if that's true or not, but
but some of it they had they had sued to
get access Freedom of Information Act Act access to some
telephone logs and stuff like that, and some of it
had been delivered already. I don't know where the truth
lies here, but let's let's let let's get it out there,
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because this is a huge story. That was one point
five billion dollars guarantee the state. So for you as
a company to guarantee one point five billion dollars to
the state, the contract has to be worth a multiple
of that. You're not just you know, making one hundred
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one point five billion dollars in handing it over to
the state. That contract had to have been and they
wouldn't nail it. They wouldn't give me a price on it.
But I'm just doing some quick math in my head
and that that has to be a thirty to forty
billion dollar. It has to be like a billion dollars
a year or more huge.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
They were doing something. These people had to be really greedy.
They could They couldn't be a little smart and maybe
just leave it like half a million or a few. No,
they had to go for the.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Big one guy.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
It's a gut check. Their gut check to me, with
talking about is that this is it. It's gonna make it,
make it or break it. These guys folded full up
like a tent, didn't didn't they?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I mean, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Now again, maybe it's just maybe they just look at
their statement tonight, which I quoted from John Chesto's column
which will be in The Boss to Gloupe tomorrow morning. Uh,
is that the litigation was becoming too expensive and they
could easily say, hey, we can go and we can
sell our wares in other states and do service plazas
in other states. I don't know, but it's a mess,
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and it lands at the at the front door of
the governor tomorrow more.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
It's like the bully back and down from a guy
who doesn't can't fight, you know, got it?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Hey, Phil, I gotta I gotta let you run here
because I'm up against it.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
As always, Thank you so much for thanks Phil. Have
a great night.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
We'll take a quick break right back on nights that
if you're on the line, Chris John in New York's
Steven Merrimack.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
We're going to get to you, guys.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And I got one line at six one seven two
five four to ten thirty and one line at six
one seven nine thirty back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Right after this, it's Night Side with Dan Ray on
wb Boston's news radio, going.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Down to Cape. We got Chris on kick caught. Hey Chris, welcome.
How are you, sir?
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Hi Dan, I don't know. Good night.
Speaker 10 (30:21):
I'm calling on the Global Partners Joe. Yeah, they offered
they did at one point five billion. The foreign bidder,
who has no track record here in Massachusetts, let alone
ninety years. The Global Partners had was six hundred about
nine hundred million less than what Global Partners was been at.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I think just just playing for a second, just so
we're fair, Okay. I think that what Apple Green was
saying that they were spending more money up front on
making the plaza's better. They were spending more money early.
But but again you're the numbers that you're quoting in
terms of money back to the state.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
That's those are accurate numbers as I understand it.
Speaker 10 (31:09):
Yeah, but Global Partners guaranteed one point five billion. There
was no guarantee with the other bidder. The only guarantee
was that, uh, the state, I mean the do O
T apparently had KPMG, you know, you know, big accounting
firm advising the mass do o T and their financial
(31:34):
uh report was that the better bid was Global Partners
by a long shot. The one uh.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Which is which is all which is all accurate, And
I think that is why a lot of questions were raised,
you know, as well as them being the home the
proverbial home team, so you know, what you're saying is
is fundamentally accurate.
Speaker 10 (32:05):
And a guy named Scott Bosworth who's with the MBTA,
who is the head of the selection.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, do me a favorite. Now, please don't get into.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Here, because you know, if you want to talk about
what's in the public record, I'm with you on that.
But once you start going towards the names of individuals,
and there may be facts that I might be aware
of that I might not be aware of. I just gotta,
you know, call you for a foul Okay.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
Sure, Oh okay, I cannot claim that this is actual because.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
In that case that might. Please please leave it alone,
Okay if you don't.
Speaker 10 (32:39):
Mind, because yeah, my sour thing is Base.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Times Rob let's go to the plank.
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Okay, Please, if you want, don't you call call that
show and plug nightside. Okay, simple as that. All the
more reason that I don't want you to mention other
radio stations. I mean, come on, I think people who
listen to this show enough understand that I'm responsible for
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what is said on this show. I'm not responsible for
what is said on other shows. Steve in Merrimack, New Hampshire,
go right ahead, Steve.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call. What a great
show you've had tonight.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, but it's gotten a little feisty in the last hour.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
I have two topics. One of the Jimmy Kimmel, I
don't know. I don't want to be the dead horse,
but as far as I'm concerned, what he said was
in poor taste. You don't make fun of somebody's somebody
who was assassinated. I don't care. You know, you go
all the way back to JFK, Martin, Luther King, you know,
anybody that's a public figure. It's you just don't do that.
(33:46):
I mean, the guy, he's smart enough to know better.
And I don't think, really, I think you're right. I
think he's going to be gone in January. They won't
renew his contract. I believe that will be the case.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
So yeah, I mean that would be a way in
which abccret deal with it. I mean, I've been watching
here and he's got you know, a crowd of probably
a few hundred people in his in his studio tonight
and there, you know, jumping up and down and giving
him applause.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
And which is fine.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
You know, he's he's going to turn this into something
that is beneficial for him amongst his most loyal fans.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That's fine, you know.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Okay. The other thing I want to say is on
the market basket case. I thought about it, and you know,
I do want RDT to come back. He's not going
to come back. He should have just retired and had
a big going away party at Gillette. He could have
got seventy thousand people to show up. They all love him.
I'm sure you could have had a big going away party.
(34:50):
The new guy, Donald Mulligan, the one that took over
the CFO. Apparently he is ready for retirement. He is
not there for very long at all.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Well suggested that market Basket might you know, might be
bought by some you know, venture capital company. I just hope,
you know, I think market Basket. I really became a
fan of market Basket under RDT.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
I thought that twenty eight percent of the stock it
can't be sold no matter what. No, no, I mean
if they.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Work, if they work a deal with some company and
they sell the thing for you know, five billion dollars,
pick a number, he's going to get twenty eight percent
of that, he's going to be okay.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
It looks like they turned down twelve billion. That's what
I heard too. Yeah, it looks like a family member,
you know, on the sister side. They want to install
that person in, but they have to wait a while.
That's what I've heard from.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, there's a whole but it's it's like it's not
the McCoy versus the hat Fields, it's the Tamuluses. Versus
the Demolis' inter netcine warfare with the Demolis family, and
and right now, I think that the public is kind
of tired of it. And I'm not going to go
back to it as a campaign issue or anything like that.
Let's see how it works out. If all of a
(36:05):
sudden this it gets sold, and and and the sisters
and everybody in RDT walk away with some money, so
be it. There's other there's other grocery change that that
we can avail ourselves off.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I got one more.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I'm going to try to sneak in here, Steve, if it's.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Okay with you, you.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Too, my friend. Thank you for calling. Let me go
to John in New York. Hey, John, welcome back.
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That's okay. Well, hello, sir, do you.
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you do an excellent job with the way you run
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Well, it's kind of you.
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It's kind of you to say that I try my best.
My program is uh, as far as I'm concerned, I
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It's it's fun for me to sit and little I
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(37:12):
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(37:36):
By the way, if if you're not aware of that,
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Oh no, I'm not aware of that. What is that
total first in nineteen, Pedigrosery.
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It was Peter that picked the name, and on October first,
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Speaker 11 (38:32):
Oh, very nice, very nice. You know the fact that
I live out where I am like, I wasn't aware
of that because I didn't hear your programs, you know,
until lately.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
And time you know, well, thank you.
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We always look at for new listeners, John, So tell
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Hey, you you still remember all that I do.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
But you know what, I'm flat out of time, so
I gotta let you run for now. Call me back
and keep me posting on that.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Okay, all right, good night, Now I expect an invitation
to the wedding.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Okay, you have a great night. All right, John, We're
done for now. Rob, great job, Marite, a great job.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Here's what I think we're gonna do. If it's okay
with you guys, and I hope it is, because obviously
the audience is a big portion of Nightside. There's a
lot of talk show hopes that like to just kind
of tell you what they think.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'll tell you what I.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Think, but I more importantly want to know what you think.
So I'm going to go open lines this hour. But
before we do that, I will tell you there's a
big story that is breaking tonight here in Massachusetts. Should
have perhaps mentioned this earlier, but if not, we'll go
to it tomorrow. I think you know that in the
last a few weeks, we have been covering the deal
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to revamp all of the service plazas on the Massachusetts Turnpike.
There are eleven of them on the Massachusetts Turnpike, as
well as seven others around the state. Some of them
are on there's a couple on Route twenty four, there's
a few on one twenty eight, and there's some individual ones.
(01:05):
I think there's one in Beverly and another I think
for some reason Bridgewater. I get all of that information
for you. But the decision was made by the Massachusetts
Department of Transportation a couple of weeks ago to award
the contract. It's a thirty five year contract that is
(01:27):
worth you know, untold billions of dollars. Okay, when you
talk about thirty five years, thirty five years from today,
would take us back to the September of nineteen ninety
when George Herbert walker Bush was still president, just to
give it some context. And this company from Ireland, an
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Irish retailer called Applegreen, won the contract. Now there was
that was the decision made by the Massachusetts Department of Transportation,
which obviously also is influenced by the Governor's office. And
late today, after Applegreen won the contract, they had not
(02:09):
crossed all the t's and dotted all the eyes in
the contract. There was a local company called Global Partners
out of wallfam who actually runs some of the turnpike
service plazas now that protested and said that they did
not get a fear shot and they were alleging some
(02:31):
conflicts of interest. And as a matter of fact, we
had a representative of Global Partners on.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
At least a couple.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Of weeks ago maybe more, and we also had a
representative of Applegreen. We had Eric Slifkap who was the
president and CEO of Global Partners, on September third, Wednesday
of this month. The two nights later, on Friday, September fifth,
we had Diana Prishota, who was the representative of Applegreen,
(03:10):
on to talk about We did an hour with both
of them. Well, the award was given to Applegreen. Global
Partners filed some lawsuits and they also filed some Freedom
of Information Acts requests. They've gotten some of that information
and late today Tuesday afternoon, the winner of the contract,
(03:33):
the Irish retailer Applegreen, announced that it has terminated leased negotiations.
I'm reading now from an article to John Chester of
the Globe staff wrote, just so we have it, you know,
perfectly precise negotiations with the Massachusetts Department of Transportation to
redevelop eighteen highway service plazas, including eleven along the mass Turnpike.
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Mass DOT originally awarded this lucrative lease contract to Applegreen
in June and had hoped to finalize the leaks negotiations
by early November, with a goal of starting the redevelopment
in January, losing bid or Global Partners had wasged a
media and government relations battle to overturn the bid, and
also has a lawsuit pending in Suffolk Superior Court aimed
(04:19):
at preventing mass DOT from going forward with Applegreen. Applegreen
is backed by Blackstone, a big private equity company, and
sources are telling me tonight that Blackstone is the one
that really and they're the money people here that polled
the deal that they got tired of dealing with Massachusetts.
(04:44):
The statement that was released by Applegreen. After three months
of good faced negotiations, Applegreen and mass Dot have not
reached agreement on definitive terms for the redevelopment of eighteen
motorway service areas in Massachusetts. The open issues have significant
implications for the commercial viability of the concession award. These
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commercial realities have been coupled with costly and continued litigation
threats from an opposing bidder that have jeopardized the project's
timeline and financing. In light of these circumstances, Applegreen has
terminated ongoing least discussions. Now tonight, there's a statement from
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Global Partners, which is the local company, and they say,
this is a statement from Eric Slifka, who is the
CEO and president of Global Partners. They're a big company.
They are big, big fortune five hundred company based here
in Massachusetts, who claimed that they had a better bid,
(05:49):
and they were also sort of the home team. Apple
Green's decision to walk away underscores the very concerns raised
for months. Their proposal was never financially sound and never
in the best interest to the Culmwolf. Independent reviews by
KPMG and mass Dot's own experts found that Apple Green's
terms failed to satisfy the state's revenue goals, falling hundreds
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of millions of dollars short of the guaranteed rent Global
Partners committed, leaving the state's budget short from day one.
There withdrawal confirms those risks were real, and with troubling
questions about conflicts of interest and ethics violation still unresolved,
it is clear Apple Green was the wrong choice for
Massachusetts Global Partner. Global Partners has been rooted in Massachusetts
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for four generations. We're prepared to step in with a proven,
low risk transition plan that guarantees one point five billion
in rent and delivers on clean energy, diversity and community
commitments from day one. This process has been difficult for
all involved, and taxpayers have already lost valuable time. We
stand ready to move forward honestly, transparently, and in the
best interest of our commonwealth. And that is a statement
(06:57):
that is attributed to Eric Slifka, the CEO of President
of Global Partners. This is a huge story. It's an
economic story, but it's a huge story, and we have
not heard the end of it. It is unclear tonight
whether or not the mass Department of Transportation now will
try to negotiate an agreement with Global Partners, who was
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the runner up in the competitive bid process, or whether
they will open the contract up to a completely new
round of bidding. So nothing is simple in Massachusetts, folks.
And Blackstone apparently is the moving factor on the other
side and has decided that they are not going to
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deal with Massachusetts. There's going to be some political fallout here.
I know that this is something that is going to
end up back at the Governor's office, and it is a.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Very delicate situation.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
And I'm sure a governor he is not interested in,
uh spending a lot of time. But now I think
she has to deal with this.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
So here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna take a break.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm gonna go I don't expect you to respond to
this story because this story is just breaking. But for
those of you who have an interest in it, you
get you know, news and talk here on nights side,
and when news breaks, we we've tried to stay ahead
of it, particularly stories that we are we are very
much aware of. I'm gonna go open lines from now
and to midnight, so you can call in and make suggestions.
(08:30):
You can ask whatever questions you want. You can comment
on anything we've talked about tonight. You can talk about
Jimmy Kimmel. You can talk about President Trump's address to
the United Nations. Uh, it is all on the table
six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three,
one ten thirty. I hope you'll write those those numbers
down that will get you through, and we will talk
(08:53):
between now and midnight.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Again.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
My thoughts are important to me. They may be of
some importance to you, but what is most important to
me are your thoughts. And so tomorrow night we will
at nine o'clock be speaking with the President of Brandeis
University one of the great universities and colleges here in
the in the Boston area out located in Walfare, but
(09:16):
it is a college with a national footprint. Uh, and
we were looking looking forward to find out what's going
on at Brandeis. I believe that interview tomorrow night will
be at nine o'clock six one seven, two, five, four
ten thirty six one seven, nine, ten thirty. This is
a quick break, so hurry up and dial back after this.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Night.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
All right, you can certainly talk about the Apple Green
decision to pull out of this deal. This is a
huge deal. This is a thirty five year contract and
for Apple Green to pull out raises a lot of
questions about how they were treated and how they've been
and uh, this is going to be this will be
a big issue in next year's gubernatorial campaign. Count on
(10:07):
it unless the governor comes in and gets this result.
Joe's in Belmont, Joe, you are first us up on
this hour and nice saga right ahead, Joe, Joe.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I mean, Dan, I'd like to give you my thoughts
on Jimmy Kimmel. I agree with send it to tread
Ted Cruz of Texas. Yep, because I think when president,
when you agree with President Trump, you want him to
(10:38):
be king, but it's unconstitutional, and I think being president,
it goes with the territory that you have to be criticized,
whether you like it or not. It's part of the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I agree with you. Look, I'm a First Amendment guy.
I'm Without the First Amendment, I would never radio show.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So I I agree with you on that.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I'm not sure, uh, that that the problem that Kimmel
dealt with or created was of his own making. I
believe that that was of his own making. And I
think that when the ABC affiliates like Sinclair and Next
Star said we're done with this guy, that forced the
(11:23):
hand of ABC. You know, the comments that Brendan Carr
made were stupid. They shouldn't have been made. He you know,
he shot from the lip whatever you want to call it. Uh,
But yeah, I don't want to see the government. As
a matter of fact, I think Jeff Jacobi wrote a
piece today which I didn't read, in which he basically said, hey,
(11:47):
let's uh, let's get rid of the FCC. Let the
broadcast networks do what they want. I'm not sure they
can that I would agree with that. I want to
read read Jeff's piece because the public airwaves are owned
in fact by by the government, by the public, and
unlike broadcast cable, which is which is not regulated by
the FCC. So I think there's another to see it
(12:09):
the same way, Joe, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
And another thing, Dan, I didn't like this at all
when the Nazis marched on the Jewish people in Skuloka, Illinois.
But I approve of, you know, gatherings to demonstrate, because
the Jewish people can gather and demonstrate too, and let
both sides, you know, do it peacefully. And I approve
(12:33):
of our constitution that way.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, me too, Joe. We're on the same page. Thank
you very much for your call. Appreciate it as always.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Very interesting questions.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Joe, let me go to Glenn and Brighton Glenn, you're
next on NI Saga right ahead.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah, I love it when you have open lines. I
want to say, God bless Sinclair. And who's that other
company that won't next?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Came on next?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Do?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
They're two privately owned companies and they have they have
a significant number of stations. Actually they cover about twenty
three percent of the country, a lot of stations in
the Midwest and in the South, and some stations.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
In New England and even California as well.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
It's not as if they're confined to you know, Alabama,
Mississippi and Georgia or something like that.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Right, But of course Channel eaton you Haven Connecticut in
nine and the interest are they're going to carry it
in five here in the you know, the work areas
are going to carry it.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Well, again, I think that every every television station does
what they think is in the best interest.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Of their their audience.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, they're well their.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Audience and and and ultimately by their shareholders. I mean
they you know, we live in a in a in
a system where.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah, yeah, you do.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You do television, you do radio. It's a business. It's
a business. And look, I have advertisers on my show,
and without advertisers on WBZ Radio wb he doesn't stay
in business.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Right, That's just the reality.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I mean some people say, hey, the ads, well, you know,
if you like the show, you should like the ads too,
because without the ads, the show the show goes dark.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Well, to me, the ads are necessary evil. They pay
the bills.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, they are and also they can benefit.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I mean, you know, and again I don't want to
be self serving here, but I will say that everything
that I advertise I have.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
A direct experience. I believe in the products.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
And when I have someone call me and say I
was so happy that I that I bought Window World windows,
they're great, Dan, I'm glad that I heard about it.
Or someone tells me, hey, I'm now a member at
Eastern Bank, and I love Eastern Bank. What you say
about the people there is true, or I've lost some weight.
I can't tell you how many people call me on
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a wake in one eighty or people who get relief
from joint pain with prolotherapy.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I thought I was going to have to have surgery.
That makes me feel pretty.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I want to be honest with you. I'm not my favorite.
I'm not advertising snake oil on this program. I can't
tell you how many products I have turned down, Glenn.
I don't want to advertise something I don't believe in.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Right, my favorite ads to the electro the comb and electric.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, I mean there are certain ads that become cute
if there's funny and yeah, that's right, that's so, if
if if that allows you to to listen to the
ads and feel better about it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Then I'm I'm all for that simple.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
As I was telling you, I was telling you your producer.
If I had a choice between now, I'm dating myself
when I say this going back, if I had a
choice between a bad assid Trip and Jimmy Tingle, I
would take the bad ass and Trip. That's how I mean.
He makes me sick. He's not funny. He's waitings are
in the sewer, sewer where they should be.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Jimmy, I think you meant to say Jimmy Kimmel, not
Jimmy Tingle.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Jimmy Tingle, I meant Kimmel.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Yeah, yeah, Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Jimmy Tingles a friend of ours and a friend.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Of differend of mine too. He drove me home one
night over.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Well, yeah, if you went to a show and he
helps you out, that's Jimmy Kimmel wouldn't drive you home.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I don't think no Kingo was funny. He said, even
though you support Trump, I like you.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, okay, well that's fine, that's good trumpet.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, okay, great, Hey, Glenn, I got to try to
get one more in here before the break at.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
The bottom of the hour. Thanks for calling as always,
I appreciate it very much. Okay, thank you.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
I love when you do open lines.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Well, that's okay. Let's hope other people love it as well.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Let me go to We're gonna go next to I'm
gonna go to Bernie in New Hampshire. Bernie, you're next
on night Side. You're you're a go right ahead, Bernie.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Hey, we're doing tonight?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yes, well, doing a little bit better than the lines
of lit Up.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
They were a little quiet there last hour, which which
always troubles me.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
You are you looking forward to seeing Jimmy Kimmel tonight?
Speaker 7 (16:55):
No, oh, thank you, thank you. I'm gonna pass on
that one.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I'm just gonna saw on it.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
I just have a couple of points to bring up.
One the Apple Green thing I was, you know, you
had some very informative shows, and I would hope that
may have had something to do with this, because the
Massachusetts legislate, as we know, just does what they want
and that doesn't make it right. Doesn't make it right.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
The numbers were interesting, and again I was I was
intrigued by the fact that Global Partners, which I look
out as the whole team there were a great Massachusetts company.
They already did some of the service plazas and they
somehow got knocked out. There was something about that that
troubled me a little bit, like there's nothing I could
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hang my hat on, Bernie.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
But it just, uh, you know, on on. On the
face of it, there were more questions raised and answered right.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
And the second point I want to make I forget
who it was. But one of them people earlier that
a different.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Point of view.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
He asked him a question, you know, has Trump done
anything good? And I'm gonna answer. From my perspective, it
was it was funny watching the speech. He's so bragadecio.
It's it's actually humorous to me. But I take it
at what it is. That's the person he is, so
I can look past it. But the one thing that
I know, uh, my my wife and daughter.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Went down to d C.
Speaker 7 (18:27):
That was Frank's birthday in their twins, and they wanted
to spend the way them. I had to stay home
to take care of the dogs.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
The dogs that have had to back out.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
But my wife called me sadly and she said, Bernie,
she grew up in Quincy, and you know she went
to School at Suffolk in Boston, and she said, I
have never felt so safe in a city as I
did in Washington, d C. Now I've been to d
C quite a bit, and that's the one word I
would never use. I was there June thirty when that
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kid got shot. And so I'm just saying, uh, I
think Donald Trump is making up an excellent attempt at
making this country safer for everyone in it. And for
my wife to say something like that, they went, they
walked five miles, they went to all the monuments. He said,
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there was a national God presence, and it just made
a bill elise and safe. There was nothing intimidating about it.
And you know who doesn't like the national God, Damn Dan.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
A bad people, A bad people.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
And also a lot of the Democrats.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And here's what I don't understand about it, Bernie, I
don't want to make it political. It seems to me
that if I happen to live in a poor community,
most crime, violent crime in this country happens in poor communities.
And the reason for that, from a sociological point of
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view is people there don't have as much money as
in the better neighborhoods, and they get situations where they
you know, they'll they'll they'll do shoplifting or whatever because
they you know, Look, if I was poor, I could.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I don't need to engage in crime.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I have, you know, money and a good job, and
and I'm very.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Grateful for that.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I would like to tell you that I've worked hard,
I went to school, and I did all the right things.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
But I also was pretty lucky along the way.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Okay, And there's a lot of people on the other
side of the tracks who probably were just as talented
as I was.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
But maybe they didn't have two parents, or maybe.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
They didn't get into the into a really good school,
and and maybe even they they found themselves in trouble
with the law. But but those people who live in
crime ridden communities, they deserve to live in just as
much safety and peace of mind as you and I
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and your wife and my and my wife. And I
don't understand why Democrats would not say, hey, if we
can make Chicago a little safer, and we can save
some kids' lives, and if we can make Memphis, Tennessee
a little safer, and we can make Washington, DC, and
we can make Boston a little safer, what's.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Wrong with that.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
Hundred percent. Yeah, one hundred percent. Thank you for the time,
and UH.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
You have a good night, my friend, you too, and
please say, how do you son for us?
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Okay, thank you, thank you, thanks.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Please Brad Bernie's son is in the US military and
UH and serving us and serving our nation.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
We'll take a very quick break.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I got christ and Phil and Laurie, although not necessarily
in that order, UH and UH. I got one line
at six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty and
one line at six one, seven and nine thirty.
Speaker 8 (21:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Feel free to join the conversation and you can talk.
You can you can run the show. That's what you
can do right now. You can talk about whatever you want.
You can raise what a question. If there's some issue
that you feel we have ignored, I can'd of imagine
you can find one for me. But if there's some
issue that we have ignored, feel free to run it
by us.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
People all the time.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Will send me, send me emails, and sometimes I answer emails.
Sometimes I don't because sometimes I just don't have the time.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I get one hundred and fifty emails a day, at
least on a slow day, and it's tough it's tough.
So if I don't answer all your emails, I answer
as many as I can. We'll be back on night side.
We've got some open lines here. Let's keep it going.
Coming back right after.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
This, you're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
All right, we got full lines. I like that, and
no need to give the phone number here, so you
guys know what it is. Anyway, where we gotta go next.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I'm going out west all the way to Idaho. That's
not all Hi, it's Laurie and Idaho.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Hey, Laurie, thank you for calling in.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
Oh you get you're getting it right? Good?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah, well, you know sometimes those states sound the.
Speaker 9 (23:06):
Same, they do the eyes and o's and oh my god.
But yeah, you got it.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I even mentioned Iowa. That's probably closer to Idaho. I
think geographically as well.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
Yeah, that is a question.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Is I know my geography?
Speaker 9 (23:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I know that's true. It's a it's a beautiful state.
What's up.
Speaker 9 (23:30):
Well, I have to thank you for that breaking news update.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 9 (23:35):
That is? Yeah, that's a thing about we could have
been really taken. It sounds like it was.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It was Wow, Well, apparently Blackstone is the one that's
the moving party here the money.
Speaker 9 (23:51):
But why because they couldn't pull the wool over Massachusetts.
I I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I mean, there's there's some litigation going on. I mean, look,
I don't know what. I have no idea where the
truth lie. Here a Global partner who's making some serious
allegations and and and obviously allegations and also implications. They
were suggesting conflicts of interest and all of that. We
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start using the language like that, that's pretty serious.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
And ye, they were.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
They were looking to get you know, text messages and
phone call records and all of that. And you know,
I don't know, maybe they got too close to the
nerve or something.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I think all of it is eventually going to come out,
and I don't and I think it will be. It
may very well become an issue in next year's present,
next year's gubernatorial campaign.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
That's what I'm saying. It's the mass Department of Transportation
that that reports directly to the governor.
Speaker 9 (24:51):
Right, Yeah, And it just understands the guy from Global
that you had on a couple of times, he just
he sounds legitimate, He sounded really offended, really upset. He
really thought something screwball was going on there and he didn't.
I think he had a lot of good points to make.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Well, he's an old it's an old Massachusetts company founded
I believe his great grandfather a hundred almost one hundred
years ago, when his sons are still you know, his
dad worked there. So and it's a big company. It's
on it's a fortune five hundred company.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
Very intelligently to what would what would be going on
and all, you know, how this transition would happen. Also
their stuff, you know what he's talking about. And people
were I think somebody at some point was criticizing one
of the areas and he's like, no, it's McDonald's own
that we're just doing the petroleum on that one. Not
so he knew what he was talking about, and I
think he really thought he got diddled. And I'm glad
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that he pushed hard enough for someone to I hope
they don't go back to ground zero and look for
for I.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Don't think they can, but I guess anything is impossible.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Anything and uh here it's Massachusetts, Laurie.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Come on, you know, I know, I mean, but anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Pretty serious stuff. But the fact that he came on
and and and played his case. We had him on
once in June, and then we brought him back after
Labor Day when when the decision had been made, and
we also had someone from Apple Green.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
Yeah I heard her too, you know, tried.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
To be is give everybody a chance, and well, you know,
let's let's let it. Let's let's get transparent. Everybody, all
all the politicians talk about being transparent. I want to
be really transparent here.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
Yeah, I'm going to hide and wait. This is gonna
be fun.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
You bet you you.
Speaker 9 (26:40):
Well, thanks for the update that made.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
No, Thank you very much. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay, thanks Lauren, all right, agreed, good night. Let's keep
rolling here. We're going next to my man Phil. He
wants to talk about the service areas as well. I
started the show with this tonight so.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
Far, but when I heard that that was there was
an issue with that global one, I almost like a
victory that had good. We find these people killing when
a deal, if this goes down and the inside is
what's going on? You talk about a million billion whatever
was And I want to repeat what the people said earlier.
The people that will call the global through reserved, very
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well spoken. I mean, they laid out the numbers and
they probably when they I think they mentioned some of
the borus something new said, uh, doing some kind of
a search whatever they call that, you know, uh, the
fact find anything to see what kind of phone calls
were made. Because this is this serious stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
They were They were alleging that there was some behind
the scenes.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
You know, below the table dealing sort of.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Now I don't know if that's true or not, but
but some of it they had they had sued to
get access Freedom of Information Act Act access to some
telephone logs and stuff like that, and some of it
had been delivered already. I don't know where the truth
lies here, but let's let's let let's get it out there,
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because this is a huge story. That was one point
five billion dollars guarantee the state. So for you as
a company to guarantee one point five billion dollars to
the state, the contract has to be worth a multiple
of that. You're not just you know, making one hundred
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one point five billion dollars in handing it over to
the state. That contract had to have been and they
wouldn't nail it. They wouldn't give me a price on it.
But I'm just doing some quick math in my head
and that that has to be a thirty to forty
billion dollar. It has to be like a billion dollars
a year or more huge.
Speaker 8 (28:52):
They were doing something. These people had to be really greedy.
They could They couldn't be a little smart and maybe
just leave it like half a million or a few. No,
they had to go for the.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Big one guy.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
It's a gut check. Their gut check to me, with
talking about is that this is it. It's gonna make it,
make it or break it. These guys folded full up
like a tent, didn't didn't they?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I mean, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Now again, maybe it's just maybe they just look at
their statement tonight, which I quoted from John Chesto's column
which will be in The Boss to Gloupe tomorrow morning. Uh,
is that the litigation was becoming too expensive and they
could easily say, hey, we can go and we can
sell our wares in other states and do service plazas
in other states. I don't know, but it's a mess,
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and it lands at the at the front door of
the governor tomorrow more.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
It's like the bully back and down from a guy
who doesn't can't fight, you know, got it?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Hey, Phil, I gotta I gotta let you run here
because I'm up against it.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
As always, Thank you so much for thanks Phil. Have
a great night.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
We'll take a quick break right back on nights that
if you're on the line, Chris John in New York's
Steven Merrimack.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
We're going to get to you, guys.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And I got one line at six one seven two
five four to ten thirty and one line at six
one seven nine thirty back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Right after this, it's Night Side with Dan Ray on
wb Boston's news radio, going.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Down to Cape. We got Chris on kick caught. Hey Chris, welcome.
How are you, sir?
Speaker 6 (30:20):
Hi Dan, I don't know. Good night.
Speaker 10 (30:21):
I'm calling on the Global Partners Joe. Yeah, they offered
they did at one point five billion. The foreign bidder,
who has no track record here in Massachusetts, let alone
ninety years. The Global Partners had was six hundred about
nine hundred million less than what Global Partners was been at.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I think just just playing for a second, just so
we're fair, Okay. I think that what Apple Green was
saying that they were spending more money up front on
making the plaza's better. They were spending more money early.
But but again you're the numbers that you're quoting in
terms of money back to the state.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
That's those are accurate numbers as I understand it.
Speaker 10 (31:09):
Yeah, but Global Partners guaranteed one point five billion. There
was no guarantee with the other bidder. The only guarantee
was that, uh, the state, I mean the do O
T apparently had KPMG, you know, you know, big accounting
firm advising the mass do o T and their financial
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uh report was that the better bid was Global Partners
by a long shot. The one uh.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Which is which is all which is all accurate, And
I think that is why a lot of questions were raised,
you know, as well as them being the home the
proverbial home team, so you know, what you're saying is
is fundamentally accurate.
Speaker 10 (32:05):
And a guy named Scott Bosworth who's with the MBTA,
who is the head of the selection.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, do me a favorite. Now, please don't get into.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Here, because you know, if you want to talk about
what's in the public record, I'm with you on that.
But once you start going towards the names of individuals,
and there may be facts that I might be aware
of that I might not be aware of. I just gotta,
you know, call you for a foul Okay.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
Sure, Oh okay, I cannot claim that this is actual because.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
In that case that might. Please please leave it alone,
Okay if you don't.
Speaker 10 (32:39):
Mind, because yeah, my sour thing is Base.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Times Rob let's go to the plank.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Okay, Please, if you want, don't you call call that
show and plug nightside. Okay, simple as that. All the
more reason that I don't want you to mention other
radio stations. I mean, come on, I think people who
listen to this show enough understand that I'm responsible for
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what is said on this show. I'm not responsible for
what is said on other shows. Steve in Merrimack, New Hampshire,
go right ahead, Steve.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call. What a great
show you've had tonight.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, but it's gotten a little feisty in the last hour.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
I have two topics. One of the Jimmy Kimmel, I
don't know. I don't want to be the dead horse,
but as far as I'm concerned, what he said was
in poor taste. You don't make fun of somebody's somebody
who was assassinated. I don't care. You know, you go
all the way back to JFK, Martin, Luther King, you know,
anybody that's a public figure. It's you just don't do that.
(33:46):
I mean, the guy, he's smart enough to know better.
And I don't think, really, I think you're right. I
think he's going to be gone in January. They won't
renew his contract. I believe that will be the case.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
So yeah, I mean that would be a way in
which abccret deal with it. I mean, I've been watching
here and he's got you know, a crowd of probably
a few hundred people in his in his studio tonight
and there, you know, jumping up and down and giving
him applause.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
And which is fine.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
You know, he's he's going to turn this into something
that is beneficial for him amongst his most loyal fans.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That's fine, you know.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Okay. The other thing I want to say is on
the market basket case. I thought about it, and you know,
I do want RDT to come back. He's not going
to come back. He should have just retired and had
a big going away party at Gillette. He could have
got seventy thousand people to show up. They all love him.
I'm sure you could have had a big going away party.
(34:50):
The new guy, Donald Mulligan, the one that took over
the CFO. Apparently he is ready for retirement. He is
not there for very long at all.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Well suggested that market Basket might you know, might be
bought by some you know, venture capital company. I just hope,
you know, I think market Basket. I really became a
fan of market Basket under RDT.
Speaker 6 (35:13):
I thought that twenty eight percent of the stock it
can't be sold no matter what. No, no, I mean
if they.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Work, if they work a deal with some company and
they sell the thing for you know, five billion dollars,
pick a number, he's going to get twenty eight percent
of that, he's going to be okay.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
It looks like they turned down twelve billion. That's what
I heard too. Yeah, it looks like a family member,
you know, on the sister side. They want to install
that person in, but they have to wait a while.
That's what I've heard from.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, there's a whole but it's it's like it's not
the McCoy versus the hat Fields, it's the Tamuluses. Versus
the Demolis' inter netcine warfare with the Demolis family, and
and right now, I think that the public is kind
of tired of it. And I'm not going to go
back to it as a campaign issue or anything like that.
Let's see how it works out. If all of a
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sudden this it gets sold, and and and the sisters
and everybody in RDT walk away with some money, so
be it. There's other there's other grocery change that that
we can avail ourselves off.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I got one more.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I'm going to try to sneak in here, Steve, if it's.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
Okay with you, you.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Too, my friend. Thank you for calling. Let me go
to John in New York. Hey, John, welcome back.
Speaker 11 (36:30):
Yes, Hi Dan, good evening. I just wanted to say
hello to you. Basically I didn't call it speak about
any subject.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
That's okay. Well, hello, sir, do you.
Speaker 11 (36:42):
Well, thank you very much. You know, I just I
enjoy your program. I just want to let you know
you do an excellent job with the way you run
that program. Really great.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Well, it's kind of you.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It's kind of you to say that I try my best.
My program is uh, as far as I'm concerned, I
like my pro when I have folks like you and
others calling. That's what that's what my show is about.
It's it's fun for me to sit and little I
want to hear what other people think. So that's uh,
(37:12):
that's what I hope you'll continue to call and tell
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of view will welcome. I'm not going to agree with everybody,
but I like having spirited conversations. That's what the market.
That's what the market of this program has been and
will always be. We start year nineteen on October first,
(37:36):
By the way, if if you're not aware of that,
so we've we've had a good run and hopefully it'll
continue for at least a little while longer.
Speaker 11 (37:45):
Oh no, I'm not aware of that. What is that
total first in nineteen, Pedigrosery.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
No, we start year nineteen on October first, our first
show as Nightside. I did the show before it was
christ Knightside, but it was Christen Knightside by the news
director at the time, a program director, a guy named
Peter Casey, who was a great guy and a good friend,
and he was the one who actually selected the name.
(38:12):
I wish I could say that I picked the name.
It was Peter that picked the name, and on October first,
two thousand and seven, it became Nightside. And Nightside will
finish finish year eighteen on September thirty, twenty and twenty five,
and we'll start year nineteen on October first.
Speaker 11 (38:32):
Oh, very nice, very nice. You know the fact that
I live out where I am like, I wasn't aware
of that because I didn't hear your programs, you know,
until lately.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
And time you know, well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
We always look at for new listeners, John, So tell
your friends out there and keep calling. And I hope
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Philippines is all you ever imagined it to be.
Speaker 11 (38:57):
Hey, you you still remember all that I do.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
But you know what, I'm flat out of time, so
I gotta let you run for now. Call me back
and keep me posting on that.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Okay, all right, good night, Now I expect an invitation
to the wedding.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Okay, you have a great night. All right, John, We're
done for now. Rob, great job, Marite, a great job.
To all the callers, thank you very much, and to
all the listeners, thank you very much. My name is
Dan Ray. This is Nightside. I'll be on Facebook in
just about two minutes. All dogs, all cats, all pets
go to heaven. That's why Pal Charlie Ray is who
passed fifteen years ago in February.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
That's all your pets are who would passed. They love
you and you love them. I do believe you'll see
them begin see again tomorrow night on Nightside.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Everyone. Marina is here at four point thirty on Facebook.
I'll be on Facebook in a minute or two
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