December 29, 2025 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's night side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling you beasy at Boston's Beach Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Well, we can all take a deep breath aside, there's
no guest, this is open lines.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
I can relax.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
There was a lot to get through in the first
three hours he had Dean Michael Coyne. It was a
lot of legal catching up to do concerning Timulas and
Ben and Jerry and the kind of Brian Walts wrap up,
Karen Reid, etc. And then a really great hour. I
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didn't have the time in just one hour to pack
in all I wanted, So we'll have to have him back.
David Allan Lambert, a genealogist to the stars, really was
the genealogist for Ken Burns, and David McCullough the historian,
and many more. And we were graced, some much say
blessed to have him in the studio here. That was
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fantastic and I'm fascinated about it.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
One thing I.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Did not get to ask him about was what's called
the bottleneck in the Homo Sapien bottleneck And I don't
really understand how they know this, but it is widely
thought that at one point they were no more than
a few like maybe one two three thousand Homo sapiens
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on Earth, which is in most cases a sure sign
of going extinct.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
You just don't survive those numbers.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Somehow they did, but I need to learn next time
how they know that genetically. There's a way. I'm fascinated
by genetics. I wish I knew more about it. I
wish I really knew what was going on when they
when they took the swab, they get the cells, What
do they do to the cells?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Do they do?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I think they duplicate them? And then they I actually
think they take this double heli strands apart and sticking
back together somehow. That is very fascinating to me. And
how they are able to know how many people approximately people,
if you want to call Homo sapiens, like really early
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Homo sapiens is fascinating to me. And then we had
Jim Sullivan talking about music. We call it punk, but
most folks, you know, punk and new wave and let's
see and these other genres are kind of mixed together.
So it was basically talking about early what I think
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is early seventies and early eighties, not progressive rock, that
genre that destroyed progressive rock.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
The bands that.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Took themselves too seriously. Oh yeah, that's another criterion for
me to be a real punk pain. You can't take
yourself too seriously. And I didn't really have time to
finish up on that topic. So I want to run
through a top one hundred lists here. This is very generic.
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This is not Rolling Stone or I can't vouch for
their you know there accuracy, but it doesn't matter. Here's
what they have one hundred greatest punk bands of all time.
They have the Ramones. Okay, I can't argue with that.
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Ramons are right in there. Then then you have sex Pistols.
Depending on your definition of punk, they may have been
more punk, you know. I mean you saw what is
it sit in Nancy? That was that was pretty punk. No,
no beef.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
With me there on. Then you get to my favorite,
the clash.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Let me tell you, up to a certain point, while
the class, the class were punk, then they became something else.
Then they became kind of reggae. But when I see
the stripped down, straightforward version of the video that's called
London Calling, man, I wish I could watch it with
each and every one of you. The London Calling video
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where they're on what looks like a doctor ship in
some arbor and it's raining and they're doing London calling.
It is just so stripped down and serious and no frills.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I did get to see.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Them one time at the or Field and it was
the time oh Man who was the artist who did
Working in a coal Mine Lee Lee Lee Dorsey that
he did Working in a coal Mine. He warmed up
for them. And I was working at TEG Friday, so
it had to be between seventy nine and eighty two,
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and probably in the earlier end of that. So I
worked in the day, had my shift drink. I actually
had two shift drinks because those were transferable. Believe it
or not, somebody didn't want the shift drink.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
You would have it.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Also, it wasn't just beer wine. You can get a
full on cocktail. I will go on record saying TGI
Fridays in Boston on Exeter Street was a tremendous place
to work and everybody there, everybody that were there was
into music. There were about eleven college DJs working there
as bussers, bartenders or weight staff. Anyway, we had our
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shift drinks and we went off to see the clash
and I was just blown away with the economy of
the power and economy of the band just in your face,
and they were an example of the British bands then
being just better. I remember going to the Paradise a
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lot of times and you'd see a domestic opener, somebody
from the USA, and.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
They'd be good.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
You think this band is good, and then the British
main act would come out and it was like two
notches better and you immediately thought.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Whoa, whoa, this is a whole.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Other ballgame like Gang of Four, for example, came out
and so tight and so good in a small club
like the Paradise. I love the Paradise, and once again,
God bless Billy Budd, long time manager at the Paradise.
Now I'm going to go through this. I'll get you
ed in a moment. What else on this list? There's
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a couple that I just have to disqualify. Bad Brains.
Some of you may remember Bad Brains. I believe they
were kind of half punk and half reggae. And there
was a place called Streets that I went to and
saw Brains, and I saw one of the band's stage dive.
But he over he overshot, he over calculated, and dove
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over the crowd, onto the bar, misfits in the Stooges. Yeah,
they don't have the long the short songs, but everything
else about him is certainly punk.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Then you get to Green.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Day and for me, no way, Sorry, doors closed. You
can keep on knocking, but you're not getting into the
punk club. Are you kidding me? Not at all? To
put Green Day in the same category as as the
Clash or those bands that that Legs McNeil was talking
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about in seventy five, six, seven, eight, nine, seventy.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Ten, you just don't belong there.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Your punk style, I get it, not punk light, but
punk style, Okay, I just not punk.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And again for me, just like.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Post war War's over, post punk, that phrase of a
certain genre of music meant that punk was over. So
anybody after that not punk. That's a pretty solid argument, pogues, Yes,
and actually there's kind of an exception.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
To my rule.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Drop Kick Murphy's punk bands. But of course they were
kind of there early on. They're just survivors and I
love them. I love the drop Kick Murphys. They got
such a great thing going on, and I love their politics, and.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I love.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
They have more merch sales, more merchandise for sale than
any other band on the planet, and they have a
sweet formula that take for me.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
It's and I don't and Ken and everybody.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I don't mean to oversimplify, but what I hear is
Sea Shanties, Irish Sea Shandies as punk. And it's a very,
very great thing to see. And I'm so glad that
they're still going strong, and believe me, they're going strong.
Then you get to Blink one eighty two, Blink one
eighty two. I've interviewed these guys a bunch, and to me,
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nothing could be further from punk. Green Day's more punk
than these guys. This is Blink one eighty two ushered
in a new rock, a new era for punk rock.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
No, they didn't, They just did not.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
San Diego band wasn't anchoring so much to classic punk sounds. Hey,
classic punk sounds, with the exception of Dropkick Murphy's, that's
all there are. If it's not classic punk, it's not punk.
After a while, they weren't even tied to the kind
of pop punk that had made groups like Green Day
so successful. So pop punk it's two, it's completely different things.
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It's like it's like having yes, no, what's your answer. Yes, No, there,
that's opposite, and pop punk is not for me a
sub genre of punk, forget about it. Blondie, that's tough, right,
don't know, don't know, Yes and no.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
I would debate that one with you. I'm the jury's
out for me on that one. Susie in the band Cheese, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Definitely right there in the beginning, they were part of
the sex pistles in a circle she was and I
started to do a pretty punk thing. This is something
I saw at the Paradise and it's violent but very punk.
This is a true story. I'm seeing Susie in the
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band Cheese at the Paradise in the front row, leaning
against the stage, and there was a kid I'm not
gonna name his name.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
From a punk band in Boston.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And unless I'm having some sort of bad dream, and
I'm not, I saw this kid pull on the microphone cord.
It's something I was able to access Susie's microphone cord
because he was right in the front road to pull
on it.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
He pulled on her microphone.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Cords as a punk like thing to do.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
She kind of brushed it off and continued to sing
her song. But he did it again I saw this,
and the second time did not go so well for
the kid who pulled on the microphone cord because she
back she did a one two kind of like a
field goal kick. You know, here's a snap, it's down,
one two kick. Well she did a one two kick
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or right in that kid's face. That's you know, that's
terrible to talk about.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I'm not condoning the violence. I'm not condoning any violence.
I'm just saying that was that was a punk time,
and uh, there's no getting around it. Talking heads, I
gazingly have to keep them in there.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
They were.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
They were punk for a short time and then became
art rock. That's my take. New York Dolls Yes, Johnny Thunders, Yes, Undertones,
No Elvis Costello, no, Richard Hell, Yes, Black Flag, Yes,
the Damned. Yes, first punk album to sell a bunch.
I guess they were one of the bands seventy seven.
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They were battling the Sexpistles for the heavyweight title of
punk the offspring. Nice band, good guys. Sorry Green that's
like Green Day. That ought to do it for now,
unless you want to if we have two more calls,
probably about this, so I'll break and Uh, it's open lines.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
You can talk about anything you want. We'll get to
Ed first.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Thanks for waiting, Ed, and uh, that'll be next on WBZ.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Bradley J for Dan tonight and we have Ed in
Boston Open lines Now, Ed, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I enjoyed the topic. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
A band that I think fits your conteria other than
the time period would be the Dresden Dolls. You have
the anger, you have, the emotion a little bit scary.
They described themselves as cabaret punks, so maybe the extra.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
They were like German cabaret punk, like.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
They have local roots.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I know, I know, but that style was kind of
like Berlin cabaret, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, right, yeah, but you know, okay, I want to
argue with that.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Can you remember any other Boston punk pans.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I mean, jeez, I've seen hundreds of them, but but
they're unless I have a list in front of me,
it's tough to remember it. And I used to do
the be a judge at the WBC and Rock and
Roller Rumble. There would be twenty four twenty four bands,
you know, and then that, and I did that for
probably twenty years, so there's a lot of bands. Some
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of those were punk bands. Do you remember any other
punk bands in Boston.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
No, that's really it, other than they drop kick Murphy's,
like you said, and through themon there, there's really.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
No.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It's hard. No, that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I think I remember.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Doing an in store we drop kick Murphy's at the
Strawberries Records and Tapes and Porter Square before they well
they must have been a pretty better record and all.
But it's really cool to see them thrive the way
they have and they're just wonderful.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
They're still giant. I appreciate it, and thanks a lot.
Appreciate the call.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Thank you, of course.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
And I see there's a call.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
It has not been properly screened yet, so I will
not take that call. As I mentioned open lines. When
we started out with Michael Coin, we talked about these
two youths eighteen years of age I believe from Winchington, Massachusetts,
who went at the mountain.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Of nad Knock and were.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
They got in trouble, they had to be rescued and
they may I don't know if it's been decided one
hundred percent. Yet they may have to pay I don't
know how much that would be depends on they have
to use a helicopter. Helicopters are crazy expensive.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Let's get it. By the way, evacuation is really expensive.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And as an aside, when it comes to evacuation, when
I go on a trip, I get to travel insurance,
not to protect so much the money spent, but I
want to get the medical insurance and I want to
get the evacuation insurance because when it comes to insurance
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and me, what I worry about is the big catastrophe
that can wipe you out. And did you know that
it can cost like half a million bucks to evacuate
you if you got injured, say by a Say you're
in London, you're looking the wrong way because they're driving
on the wrong side of the street. You get it,
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buy a car and you need to be evacuated back here.
You could be up up to a half a million
dollars for a special airplane. And that insurance is cheap.
I got a million dollars worth for an upcoming trip
and they said, you want for four more dollars, you
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want to upgrade that to two million?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Let's say, are you kidding me? Four bucks a cup
of coffee?
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Hopefully I'll never need that extra million, but I do
like the insurance, uh, in case.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I need to be evacuated.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Back to evacuation of the kids and in that knock,
I I don't know exactly what they're doing, but I
want I wanted to ask you what you think should
someone who gets in trouble out in the wilderness. Maybe
they didn't dress right, maybe they went out at dark
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like ninnies like not these kids, but anybody, you know,
like like I did once? Ah, you know, did did
risky things, walk, walked on a pond and spring if
if you do, If someone does something and is careless,
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should you have to should they have to pay?
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Now?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I certainly don't want my tax dollars paying for idiots
getting stranded and have the town have to pay for
the for the helicopter or whatever. Butt On the other hand,
as someone brought up, if your house catches on fire
because you were careless, the is the fire department charge
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you for putting the fire out?
Speaker 6 (18:24):
No?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I don't think so. I think the case can be
made that.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Look, that's the way it is unless you're gonna start
charging people to put the fire out in their house
if they were careless, like if they smoked in bed,
or they had an underage teen drinking party that got
out of hand. Tell you start charging tills the fire
department starts charging. I don't see how you can justify that.
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It seems like selective application of the law. Which brings
me to a story where I I do enjoy.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Telling stories, and I.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Invite you to tell the story of something and be bold,
be brave, no judgment, just something that you did that
was stupid, like what I'm about to tell you. I
have a couple of stupid persons stories. And this took
place on the same mountain that these kids got stranded on.
I went my friend Andrew and I we made a
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pact every week we're going to go on the hike.
Three weeks we went to Mount Washington and no excuse me,
to the White Mountains. And one week we went to Monadnock.
And on this week it happened to be extremely icy,
like you shouldn't even go get your mail because it's
too dangerous. But on this mountain it was horrible, and
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I had these really small cheesy, uh, spring like traction
things on my feet that you would use to get
the mail on an icy day, not at all appropriate for.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
An icy mountain. That yet stupidly.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Well, we went up the mountain, and all the way up,
I'm thinking, man, it's going to be so hard to
get down.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
How are we going to get down?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Going up is way easier for a couple of reasons,
And one of the reasons is that when you're going up,
the angle of the mountain puts the ground closer to
your head. If it's really steep, it may be only
four feet from your head to the ground, So if
you slip and fall, you're already kind of leaning in
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that direction. But if the way on the way down,
the angle is much different. You're standing up straight, and
the angle of the fall would go past ninety degrees
add on the angle of the downhill. So if you're
going to fall and hit your head, it's a long
way if you're going down there hill. And for some reason,
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traction is just harder going downhill at any rate.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
We go up and there's a mist on the rocks
on the top that is frozen. Really really stupid.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
We should have said this is dumb, We're gonna go
get a hot chocolate or a beer. No, So anyway,
coming down, I reached an area between two rocks, kind
of a little flume like. That's the best way I
can describe it. A little flume like area, perhaps twenty
five feet long and sheer ice. My friend wisely went around. I.
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I'll just slide down on my butt through this part
into those bushes, because there was some bushes, not quite trees,
not quite bushes, somewhere in between. Maybe the trunks or
the stemmas of the bushes were half inch to three
quarters of an inch. So I started to slide down,
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but the area was so steep and it was pure ice.
I went way, way, way, way faster than I thought
I was going to go, like twenty five feet. I
got a scary amount of speed going and went in
those trees and put out my hands to break the impact.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
And one of my my fingers, my.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Ring finger is it, the ring ring finger on my
right hand got hit one of these trees and bent
all the way back, like all the way back, so
it was ninety degrees from the rest of them. Like
if I would hold up my hand straight up, all
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of my fingers pointing up, except this finger were pointing
back at me through the back of my hand. It
was awful to see, and I didn't know what to do.
I just couldn't go down that hill. Well, I couldn't
walk down that hill my finger sticking out backwards.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
It was horrific. It was.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
It was horrific to see. Mostly the pain hadn't said
in yet, and I didn't know what to do. My
friend was still going around, he hadn't caught up to
me yet, and I had these gloves on, and I
left him on. And in fact, I gotta what am
I gonna do? I have to do what I see
on TV, I guess, And we're gonna try to mcgive
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her this finger back in the position, not really mcgiver,
but I'm just gonna it's gonna be like the movies.
So I counted to three, pulled on the finger really hard,
one two three, nothing, still sticking out the wrong way.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
I didn't have any choice.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Once again, one two three, pulled it as hard as
I could, or at least hard enough, because I've actually
popped back in the joint.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I was thrilled. I thought, I'm a survivor. I'm a genius.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
There's no stop in me, and happily I was able
to go down the hill and not fall down again.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
But it's never been the same. Still have it. It's
all still crooked, it broke. And the point is, uh,
what the point is?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
When you feel like you're doing something stupid, you probably are.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Now this on WBZ.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It's Night Side with Ray on wb Boston's.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
News radio Readley for day and tonight and it's open
lines for the rest of the hour and the evening.
Same thing. Let's uh talk to Robert and Wellesley. I
just told a story about something I did that I
knew it was stupid and it turned out to turn
out badly. Do you have a story like that and
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it's fun? You know, in some ways people don't like
to tell other people that they were idy it's but
on the other hand I did. It was cathartic and fun.
You should try it, Robert and Welles. The open lines, though,
you can talk about.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Anything you like.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Oh, good evening, Uh, mister Bradley, Mister Bradley, J The
I have a comment about your earlier topic of of
punk punk punk music. But the other thing I was
thanks for bringing up the topic of of of hiking
in the in the wilderness and so forth. I think
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those are both. I think those are I think that
was good to bring up. I had a quick one.
I don't know too much about punk rock music, but
I was wondering if you were familiar with a punk singer.
The vocalist name was is his Kimbo Rose. She had
a group that I think started out in Washington State.
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She may have continued to performing in Massachusetts and the
I think one of the lead songs was roots of
a Narco and she had name. The name of her
group was was has her name in it, but I
can't remember the full man. I just thought it.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Ask.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
And the other thing is I think that when it
comes to to wilderness, uh or a recreation outdoor recreational activity,
I think part of the fun is being is preparing
for a possible self rescue.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
So yeah, I agree with.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
That because I think that you ought obviously, the two
of you felt the adventure of going out, traveling under
or hiking under adverse weather conditions.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
We did not go through the process that you went through,
which is preparing properly. Ever, since that busted finger, I
am careful to prepare.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Oh, I bet I bet so. I think your discussion
was very very interesting. I and so the movies don't
tell us, don't always give us an accurate story when
it comes to first aid. But uh, yeah, there are
there are a few things you see in the movies
that aren't quite right, like like pulling out the impaled objects.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, actually yeah, if you're impaled by anything, like if
you fall on a stick, don't pull out the stick.
If you can cut the stick off, you need to
keep it in there because the stick can the form
of tempana.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
And I'm not a doctor, but this is what I understand.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
In some cases, if you put you out the the object,
you will bleed to death. You need to lead that
lead that in there because it forms what it's called
the tempanon and blocks he keeps the blood from coming out.
But but you shouldn't shouldn't work. You shouldn't move them either.
You should That's that's Do you ever think about that?
What do you do if somebody really gets hurt? Do
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you do you leave them and go for help? I
guess you got to do that. So you need to
have with you what it would take to not freeze
to death at night. So one of those survival foil
look and survival blankets and something to eat, and it's
a light with extra batteries and.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Something to start a fire with.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Ye all good, all good ideas of course, So, uh,
were you asking me a question about if someone gets
seriously hurt?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Being depends on we don't want to just hear about
people getting seriously hurt.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
But if you did.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Something dumb that didn't end well, that's a fun that's
a fun thing as long as it's told in it
a family way.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
I think it's pre human to to to do to
do something that way and to wind up doing something
like that. No one's perfect, but education really helps prevent
those situations. I think the uh, some of the organizations,
in particular the Red Cross have have done a good
job of imparting to people ideas of safety and what
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to do, of what if there if there isn't and
if there is an accident, and uh, there are certain
general principles that come from that, like you like the
need to like if you're such as rescuing someone from
a strenuous drowning incident, the person needs to be treated
for shock and that's the general principle that that's the
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person that it should be anticipated that the person may
be dealing with shock, and preventive care needs to be
taken in order to prevent that from getting worse. Because
there's something that something that because it could turn out
to be serious or fatal, and it doesn't have to
be if certain basic measures are taking taken, and you
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mentioned a few of them.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Right, Thank you very much, Robert. Now it's Charlie and Sagas.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Charlie, Hello, Yeah, I got inspired to call in by
Mountana banana story.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
There a slip on the iceer. My case was a
lot more mundane, and it just happened this morning. I
went out my front door about seven o'clock in the
morning to take out a bag of rubbish to be
picked up. And I have two flights that stairs, a
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wooden flight with a half a dozen steps and another
half a dozen cement steps or so. Went down the
wooden steps, all right, no problem. As soon as I
got on the front steps the cement steps, my legs
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just went up in the air. I fell backwards and
there's there's a lot I I yeah, what eye on
my left I and actually grabbed it with my left hand,
and that that book the fall. I was really very lucky.
If I had missed the railing, i'd been in the
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hostile Now.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Black ice, ice that you can't see is brutally dangerous,
terribly terribly dangerous, and that's.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Why I was on top of black Ice show bad news.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Well, Charlie, thanks for sharing that.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I appreciate it, and I guess we'll talk to Kevin
and Sharing right now.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
On w b Z. Hi Hi, Bradley.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Bradley, have a request for you. I don't know if
you can fulfill it though. Oh okay, when you were
on the over Night, you used to play this buffer
coming out of the commercials and it used to them
with I'm just talking about brad just see what you
can use that when you're substituting, because I used to
get a big kick out of it.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I don't know, you know, that might be overstepping the
bounds of filling in, but you know.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
What I mean. But I do appreciate that. I love
those were.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
They're called what are they called bumpers, And there were
a whole bunch of kind of song parody bumpers and.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
It was a shaft of course.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Yeah, I love those two. I have them all.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
I oh you do.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Oh yeah, I kept them all. I keep them. I
keep triple backed up.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I'm crazy when it comes to backing my hard drives up.
I have a giant sixteen terabyte hard drive, then I
have another one in the hall backing that up, and
then I have a third that's off the premises that
also gets backed up. So if the house burns down,
I didn't lose the really important things in life, like
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my photos, my music, and those pieces of production.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Now I have a suggestion for you. Talking earlier about
punk rock and trying to follow a field of my
taste generally, but here's my suggestion to you. Get a
if you want to hear possibly the first double sided
punk rock record ever. Yeah, get a copy of a
forty five by the Kinks. You rarely got me the side.
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I'm sure you're well, I'm sure you're familiar with the
B side, But then take it off the turntable, flip
it over and play the B side. It's a tune
called It's all Right, and it's a hillacious burner of
a tune and performance.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
That's a really good suggestion. Really good Kinks.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
A lot of folks say they're underrated, and I think
they're probably right underrated.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
Oh they were great. I think you can't come up
with any band that sustained what they did for as
long as they did. Because even their very last album,
To the Bone, which is kind of an unplugged a fear,
you know, where they think some of their earlier songs
and redo them unpugged, is really really good. People dismissed
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them or dismissed them their way of stuff as arena rock.
They did one or two arena rock songs, but that's
way way over the top, so it's dismiss everything they
did as arena rocket.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yeah, I have kind of guilty pleasure. I don't even
call it guilty pleasure anymore. There's a lot of arena
rock that I have come to appreciate that back in
the day I didn't appreciate.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
I don't know why. Is it just getting old? I
don't think so. I think I've just.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Maybe it's nostalgia, But I kind of appreciate what they
were doing, and there were some folks that were really
super good at it, like Journey, they were really good
at it.
Speaker 7 (34:59):
Well, whenever I hear a phrase arena rock, I think
of you two and Bono you know, stomping around on
stage and you know, uh, just the songs are all slogans,
and you know, he's he's look at me, look at me,
Mom and.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
Dad, IM and I cool blah blah.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
You know, yeah, Okay, do you think you think he's overrated?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Right?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (35:26):
I like some of their stuff, but generally speaking, he's
a big turn off for me. He's he's he's like
a superhero of rock. I'm not a big fan of
rock superheroes, you know, like a very self.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Aware look at me, Uh, I.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Find the whole show and I'm bigger than everybody else,
that kind of thing. You know.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I appreciate your frankness, Kevin and Sharon. That was a
great call. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Okay, that was super super fast night, super pleasurable night.
Still have one more little segment to COVID, just so
I don't forget. I wanted to thank my guest Michael
Coin from the Massachusett School of Law. As always, he's excellent,
as well as David Allen Lambert. He's the genealogist I
dream of genealogists.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
He's the best, and we've.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Got to have him back because there's so much he
didn't cover about history. He's a genealogist for the stars
and for a lot of revolutionary figures in Boston as well.
And Jim Sullivan writ former writer for music, writer for
the Boston Globe and Backstage and beyond. Cool book He's
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got with lots of photos and stories.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Great great, great night.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
And of course kind of my favorite, the open line.
I love that as well. I like telling the stories.
I got lots of stories. And if you don't call
me first, maybe I'll tell another story. But I'd rather
hear a story from you. At six one seven, two,
five four ten thirty six one seven thirty is WBZ.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
That's right, Bradley j for Dan. It's good to be
with you. This is Nightside. You know, you can listen
to Nightside anytime. I just simply googling Nightside on demand.
I do that all the time. It's it's so cool.
Say I'm driving back from White Mountains, Boom. It just
it's my little magic carpet ride back listening to the
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night Side shows and WBC Live. Last time I went
up to my Mount Washington hotel. WBZ was loud and
clear every step of the way, which is great. And
then we go to and here's proof that you can
listen on the iHeartRadio app. We have Sky in Napa, California.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
High Sky.
Speaker 8 (37:50):
Hey, how you doing today?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Very well?
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Thanks wonderful.
Speaker 9 (37:56):
Anyway, I was just in a backtrack a couple of conversations.
Is as far as punk rock band, I would say,
I like to listen to the jam?
Speaker 8 (38:08):
How about you?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
The Jam? It's funny. I was just I love the jam.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Uh that was down on the subway at midnight, and
this is the modern world, and.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
I was trying to think and also going underground, which.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
That's what I'm Yes, so that's different than down right, yeah,
I think so.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Anyway, I was doing a little battle in my head
about the Jam earlier in the day, and I was
trying to decide if the Jam were punk or new wave.
But maybe they were kind of new wave looking but
punk singing. The sound was punk.
Speaker 8 (38:45):
Maybe if they were looking on the back door, they
would be that.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
But yeah, I guess I'd.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Go I wouldn't argue with punk. Okay, fine, they were
around at the right time. They short songs, sure, did
you ever?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I never saw them. Did you ever see them?
Speaker 8 (39:03):
No, I didn't know. Uh no, I did see the Who,
But that's not what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
No. Actually, now it's open line, so we can talk
about anything. I got a couple of minutes. Tell me
about the WHO experience.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
Oh, I was.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
Well that when I was living in Boston with Well
Frankie boy. I've actually met you a couple of times
at the Winery City.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 9 (39:27):
Anyway.
Speaker 8 (39:28):
Now I live back in California, but yeah, no, I saw, Yeah,
I saw the Who a few times. It was great,
absolutely rocking.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
I guess they're about as loud as loud as you
can get other than Motorhead, I guess, but super loud,
I would guess so.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
But I'll be honest, though I did see before. What's
the face? Most wonderful? Ozzie Osborne actually fell asleep in
this concert. Don't ask me how I did, but I did.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
That's not good.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
How about now, what's since we're just chatting here, what's
the greatest rock song of all time?
Speaker 6 (40:08):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (40:08):
Bloody hell, I would say that she wins not Jesus.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
No, you put me on the spot.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah, it's okay. You can change your ry tomorrow while
you're thinking, I'll give you mind.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Go ahead, okay, I.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Mean, of course it always changes. And there's one part
of the song it's a little weird, but I don't
see how you beat the urgent, driving, primal rock of
a Whole Lot of Love by led Zeppelin.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
I mean, how do you Oh my gosh, yes, for sure, how.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Do you beat that? And it's such a simple.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
You can't, no, you cannot.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
It's outstanding.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
And lately I've been watching a lot of YouTube videos
of classic rock or all kinds of rock, and yeah,
there's one video of led Zeppelin seems to be pretty
early because they're all.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Super skinny, and he introduces the band kind of like some.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
People might not know who they were, like, this is
a Jimmy page on the guitar, and it was it
was a whole lot of no excuse me, it was
how many more Times? There was this big, long version
of how many More Times? And I see that and
I'm just blown away by the power of those guys.
And you know, there wasn't a hope. We're not a
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whole lot of people there, but the whole was really
more than the some of the parts. And I have
to admit I was never a giant Hoo fan, but
I don't have anything against it.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
I don't know why they were in, they were around.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
I appreciate him, but they never rocked my They never
rung my bell like Zeppelin rang my bell.
Speaker 8 (41:55):
Right, Well, maybe you got uncomfortably numb, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yes, maybe it could be so out there in Napa Vlli.
Do they give free wine to everybody, like every our
residents getting like a keg of free wine?
Speaker 8 (42:10):
No?
Speaker 7 (42:11):
Not really?
Speaker 3 (42:12):
All right, then forget it. I'm not coming Sky. What
a great call. Thank you so much. And Alia, it's great.
I feel like you're warming up to me a little bit.
And a few more calls. I really hope that when
you call, it's a pleasant experience, and that if you
haven't ever called, that you screw up your courage and
do it, because once you do it, you'll have a
whole new voice and a whole new community that will
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be you know, your friends, your community. Thanks Rob Brooks,
Thanks to all my guess it's WBZ. Oh, thanks to
Dan Ray It's w b Z.
It's night side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling you beasy at Boston's Beach Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Well, we can all take a deep breath aside, there's
no guest, this is open lines.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
I can relax.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
There was a lot to get through in the first
three hours he had Dean Michael Coyne. It was a
lot of legal catching up to do concerning Timulas and
Ben and Jerry and the kind of Brian Walts wrap up,
Karen Reid, etc. And then a really great hour. I
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didn't have the time in just one hour to pack
in all I wanted, So we'll have to have him back.
David Allan Lambert, a genealogist to the stars, really was
the genealogist for Ken Burns, and David McCullough the historian,
and many more. And we were graced, some much say
blessed to have him in the studio here. That was
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fantastic and I'm fascinated about it.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
One thing I.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Did not get to ask him about was what's called
the bottleneck in the Homo Sapien bottleneck And I don't
really understand how they know this, but it is widely
thought that at one point they were no more than
a few like maybe one two three thousand Homo sapiens
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on Earth, which is in most cases a sure sign
of going extinct.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
You just don't survive those numbers.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Somehow they did, but I need to learn next time
how they know that genetically. There's a way. I'm fascinated
by genetics. I wish I knew more about it. I
wish I really knew what was going on when they
when they took the swab, they get the cells, What
do they do to the cells?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Do they do?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I think they duplicate them? And then they I actually
think they take this double heli strands apart and sticking
back together somehow. That is very fascinating to me. And
how they are able to know how many people approximately people,
if you want to call Homo sapiens, like really early
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Homo sapiens is fascinating to me. And then we had
Jim Sullivan talking about music. We call it punk, but
most folks, you know, punk and new wave and let's
see and these other genres are kind of mixed together.
So it was basically talking about early what I think
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is early seventies and early eighties, not progressive rock, that
genre that destroyed progressive rock.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
The bands that.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Took themselves too seriously. Oh yeah, that's another criterion for
me to be a real punk pain. You can't take
yourself too seriously. And I didn't really have time to
finish up on that topic. So I want to run
through a top one hundred lists here. This is very generic.
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This is not Rolling Stone or I can't vouch for
their you know there accuracy, but it doesn't matter. Here's
what they have one hundred greatest punk bands of all time.
They have the Ramones. Okay, I can't argue with that.
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Ramons are right in there. Then then you have sex Pistols.
Depending on your definition of punk, they may have been
more punk, you know. I mean you saw what is
it sit in Nancy? That was that was pretty punk. No,
no beef.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
With me there on. Then you get to my favorite,
the clash.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Let me tell you, up to a certain point, while
the class, the class were punk, then they became something else.
Then they became kind of reggae. But when I see
the stripped down, straightforward version of the video that's called
London Calling, man, I wish I could watch it with
each and every one of you. The London Calling video
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where they're on what looks like a doctor ship in
some arbor and it's raining and they're doing London calling.
It is just so stripped down and serious and no frills.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I did get to see.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Them one time at the or Field and it was
the time oh Man who was the artist who did
Working in a coal Mine Lee Lee Lee Dorsey that
he did Working in a coal Mine. He warmed up
for them. And I was working at TEG Friday, so
it had to be between seventy nine and eighty two,
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and probably in the earlier end of that. So I
worked in the day, had my shift drink. I actually
had two shift drinks because those were transferable. Believe it
or not, somebody didn't want the shift drink.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
You would have it.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Also, it wasn't just beer wine. You can get a
full on cocktail. I will go on record saying TGI
Fridays in Boston on Exeter Street was a tremendous place
to work and everybody there, everybody that were there was
into music. There were about eleven college DJs working there
as bussers, bartenders or weight staff. Anyway, we had our
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shift drinks and we went off to see the clash
and I was just blown away with the economy of
the power and economy of the band just in your face,
and they were an example of the British bands then
being just better. I remember going to the Paradise a
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lot of times and you'd see a domestic opener, somebody
from the USA, and.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
They'd be good.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
You think this band is good, and then the British
main act would come out and it was like two
notches better and you immediately thought.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Whoa, whoa, this is a whole.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Other ballgame like Gang of Four, for example, came out
and so tight and so good in a small club
like the Paradise. I love the Paradise, and once again,
God bless Billy Budd, long time manager at the Paradise.
Now I'm going to go through this. I'll get you
ed in a moment. What else on this list? There's
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a couple that I just have to disqualify. Bad Brains.
Some of you may remember Bad Brains. I believe they
were kind of half punk and half reggae. And there
was a place called Streets that I went to and
saw Brains, and I saw one of the band's stage dive.
But he over he overshot, he over calculated, and dove
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over the crowd, onto the bar, misfits in the Stooges. Yeah,
they don't have the long the short songs, but everything
else about him is certainly punk.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Then you get to Green.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Day and for me, no way, Sorry, doors closed. You
can keep on knocking, but you're not getting into the
punk club. Are you kidding me? Not at all? To
put Green Day in the same category as as the
Clash or those bands that that Legs McNeil was talking
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about in seventy five, six, seven, eight, nine, seventy.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Ten, you just don't belong there.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Your punk style, I get it, not punk light, but
punk style, Okay, I just not punk.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And again for me, just like.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Post war War's over, post punk, that phrase of a
certain genre of music meant that punk was over. So
anybody after that not punk. That's a pretty solid argument, pogues, Yes,
and actually there's kind of an exception.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
To my rule.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Drop Kick Murphy's punk bands. But of course they were
kind of there early on. They're just survivors and I
love them. I love the drop Kick Murphys. They got
such a great thing going on, and I love their politics, and.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I love.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
They have more merch sales, more merchandise for sale than
any other band on the planet, and they have a
sweet formula that take for me.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
It's and I don't and Ken and everybody.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I don't mean to oversimplify, but what I hear is
Sea Shanties, Irish Sea Shandies as punk. And it's a very,
very great thing to see. And I'm so glad that
they're still going strong, and believe me, they're going strong.
Then you get to Blink one eighty two, Blink one
eighty two. I've interviewed these guys a bunch, and to me,
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nothing could be further from punk. Green Day's more punk
than these guys. This is Blink one eighty two ushered
in a new rock, a new era for punk rock.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
No, they didn't, They just did not.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
San Diego band wasn't anchoring so much to classic punk sounds. Hey,
classic punk sounds, with the exception of Dropkick Murphy's, that's
all there are. If it's not classic punk, it's not punk.
After a while, they weren't even tied to the kind
of pop punk that had made groups like Green Day
so successful. So pop punk it's two, it's completely different things.
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It's like it's like having yes, no, what's your answer. Yes, No, there,
that's opposite, and pop punk is not for me a
sub genre of punk, forget about it. Blondie, that's tough, right,
don't know, don't know, Yes and no.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
I would debate that one with you. I'm the jury's
out for me on that one. Susie in the band Cheese, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Definitely right there in the beginning, they were part of
the sex pistles in a circle she was and I
started to do a pretty punk thing. This is something
I saw at the Paradise and it's violent but very punk.
This is a true story. I'm seeing Susie in the
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band Cheese at the Paradise in the front row, leaning
against the stage, and there was a kid I'm not
gonna name his name.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
From a punk band in Boston.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And unless I'm having some sort of bad dream, and
I'm not, I saw this kid pull on the microphone cord.
It's something I was able to access Susie's microphone cord
because he was right in the front road to pull
on it.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
He pulled on her microphone.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Cords as a punk like thing to do.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
She kind of brushed it off and continued to sing
her song. But he did it again I saw this,
and the second time did not go so well for
the kid who pulled on the microphone cord because she
back she did a one two kind of like a
field goal kick. You know, here's a snap, it's down,
one two kick. Well she did a one two kick
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or right in that kid's face. That's you know, that's
terrible to talk about.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I'm not condoning the violence. I'm not condoning any violence.
I'm just saying that was that was a punk time,
and uh, there's no getting around it. Talking heads, I
gazingly have to keep them in there.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
They were.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
They were punk for a short time and then became
art rock. That's my take. New York Dolls Yes, Johnny Thunders, Yes, Undertones,
No Elvis Costello, no, Richard Hell, Yes, Black Flag, Yes,
the Damned. Yes, first punk album to sell a bunch.
I guess they were one of the bands seventy seven.
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They were battling the Sexpistles for the heavyweight title of
punk the offspring. Nice band, good guys. Sorry Green that's
like Green Day. That ought to do it for now,
unless you want to if we have two more calls,
probably about this, so I'll break and Uh, it's open lines.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
You can talk about anything you want. We'll get to
Ed first.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Thanks for waiting, Ed, and uh, that'll be next on WBZ.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Bradley J for Dan tonight and we have Ed in
Boston Open lines Now, Ed, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I enjoyed the topic. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
A band that I think fits your conteria other than
the time period would be the Dresden Dolls. You have
the anger, you have, the emotion a little bit scary.
They described themselves as cabaret punks, so maybe the extra.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
They were like German cabaret punk, like.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
They have local roots.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
I know, I know, but that style was kind of
like Berlin cabaret, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, right, yeah, but you know, okay, I want to
argue with that.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Can you remember any other Boston punk pans.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I mean, jeez, I've seen hundreds of them, but but
they're unless I have a list in front of me,
it's tough to remember it. And I used to do
the be a judge at the WBC and Rock and
Roller Rumble. There would be twenty four twenty four bands,
you know, and then that, and I did that for
probably twenty years, so there's a lot of bands. Some
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of those were punk bands. Do you remember any other
punk bands in Boston.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
No, that's really it, other than they drop kick Murphy's,
like you said, and through themon there, there's really.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
No.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It's hard. No, that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I think I remember.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Doing an in store we drop kick Murphy's at the
Strawberries Records and Tapes and Porter Square before they well
they must have been a pretty better record and all.
But it's really cool to see them thrive the way
they have and they're just wonderful.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
They're still giant. I appreciate it, and thanks a lot.
Appreciate the call.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Thank you, of course.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
And I see there's a call.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
It has not been properly screened yet, so I will
not take that call. As I mentioned open lines. When
we started out with Michael Coin, we talked about these
two youths eighteen years of age I believe from Winchington, Massachusetts,
who went at the mountain.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Of nad Knock and were.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
They got in trouble, they had to be rescued and
they may I don't know if it's been decided one
hundred percent. Yet they may have to pay I don't
know how much that would be depends on they have
to use a helicopter. Helicopters are crazy expensive.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Let's get it. By the way, evacuation is really expensive.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
And as an aside, when it comes to evacuation, when
I go on a trip, I get to travel insurance,
not to protect so much the money spent, but I
want to get the medical insurance and I want to
get the evacuation insurance because when it comes to insurance
(16:13):
and me, what I worry about is the big catastrophe
that can wipe you out. And did you know that
it can cost like half a million bucks to evacuate
you if you got injured, say by a Say you're
in London, you're looking the wrong way because they're driving
on the wrong side of the street. You get it,
(16:33):
buy a car and you need to be evacuated back here.
You could be up up to a half a million
dollars for a special airplane. And that insurance is cheap.
I got a million dollars worth for an upcoming trip
and they said, you want for four more dollars, you
(16:54):
want to upgrade that to two million?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Let's say, are you kidding me? Four bucks a cup
of coffee?
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Hopefully I'll never need that extra million, but I do
like the insurance, uh, in case.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I need to be evacuated.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Back to evacuation of the kids and in that knock,
I I don't know exactly what they're doing, but I
want I wanted to ask you what you think should
someone who gets in trouble out in the wilderness. Maybe
they didn't dress right, maybe they went out at dark
(17:34):
like ninnies like not these kids, but anybody, you know,
like like I did once? Ah, you know, did did
risky things, walk, walked on a pond and spring if
if you do, If someone does something and is careless,
(17:58):
should you have to should they have to pay?
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Now?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I certainly don't want my tax dollars paying for idiots
getting stranded and have the town have to pay for
the for the helicopter or whatever. Butt On the other hand,
as someone brought up, if your house catches on fire
because you were careless, the is the fire department charge
(18:21):
you for putting the fire out?
Speaker 6 (18:24):
No?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I don't think so. I think the case can be
made that.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Look, that's the way it is unless you're gonna start
charging people to put the fire out in their house
if they were careless, like if they smoked in bed,
or they had an underage teen drinking party that got
out of hand. Tell you start charging tills the fire
department starts charging. I don't see how you can justify that.
(18:49):
It seems like selective application of the law. Which brings
me to a story where I I do enjoy.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Telling stories, and I.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Invite you to tell the story of something and be bold,
be brave, no judgment, just something that you did that
was stupid, like what I'm about to tell you. I
have a couple of stupid persons stories. And this took
place on the same mountain that these kids got stranded on.
I went my friend Andrew and I we made a
(19:25):
pact every week we're going to go on the hike.
Three weeks we went to Mount Washington and no excuse me,
to the White Mountains. And one week we went to Monadnock.
And on this week it happened to be extremely icy,
like you shouldn't even go get your mail because it's
too dangerous. But on this mountain it was horrible, and
(19:46):
I had these really small cheesy, uh, spring like traction
things on my feet that you would use to get
the mail on an icy day, not at all appropriate for.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
An icy mountain. That yet stupidly.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Well, we went up the mountain, and all the way up,
I'm thinking, man, it's going to be so hard to
get down.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
How are we going to get down?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Going up is way easier for a couple of reasons,
And one of the reasons is that when you're going up,
the angle of the mountain puts the ground closer to
your head. If it's really steep, it may be only
four feet from your head to the ground, So if
you slip and fall, you're already kind of leaning in
(20:36):
that direction. But if the way on the way down,
the angle is much different. You're standing up straight, and
the angle of the fall would go past ninety degrees
add on the angle of the downhill. So if you're
going to fall and hit your head, it's a long
way if you're going down there hill. And for some reason,
(20:57):
traction is just harder going downhill at any rate.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
We go up and there's a mist on the rocks
on the top that is frozen. Really really stupid.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
We should have said this is dumb, We're gonna go
get a hot chocolate or a beer. No, So anyway,
coming down, I reached an area between two rocks, kind
of a little flume like. That's the best way I
can describe it. A little flume like area, perhaps twenty
five feet long and sheer ice. My friend wisely went around. I.
(21:35):
I'll just slide down on my butt through this part
into those bushes, because there was some bushes, not quite trees,
not quite bushes, somewhere in between. Maybe the trunks or
the stemmas of the bushes were half inch to three
quarters of an inch. So I started to slide down,
(21:55):
but the area was so steep and it was pure ice.
I went way, way, way, way faster than I thought
I was going to go, like twenty five feet. I
got a scary amount of speed going and went in
those trees and put out my hands to break the impact.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
And one of my my fingers, my.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Ring finger is it, the ring ring finger on my
right hand got hit one of these trees and bent
all the way back, like all the way back, so
it was ninety degrees from the rest of them. Like
if I would hold up my hand straight up, all
(22:40):
of my fingers pointing up, except this finger were pointing
back at me through the back of my hand. It
was awful to see, and I didn't know what to do.
I just couldn't go down that hill. Well, I couldn't
walk down that hill my finger sticking out backwards.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
It was horrific. It was.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
It was horrific to see. Mostly the pain hadn't said
in yet, and I didn't know what to do. My
friend was still going around, he hadn't caught up to
me yet, and I had these gloves on, and I
left him on. And in fact, I gotta what am
I gonna do? I have to do what I see
on TV, I guess, And we're gonna try to mcgive
(23:27):
her this finger back in the position, not really mcgiver,
but I'm just gonna it's gonna be like the movies.
So I counted to three, pulled on the finger really hard,
one two three, nothing, still sticking out the wrong way.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
I didn't have any choice.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Once again, one two three, pulled it as hard as
I could, or at least hard enough, because I've actually
popped back in the joint.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I was thrilled. I thought, I'm a survivor. I'm a genius.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
There's no stop in me, and happily I was able
to go down the hill and not fall down again.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
But it's never been the same. Still have it. It's
all still crooked, it broke. And the point is, uh,
what the point is?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
When you feel like you're doing something stupid, you probably are.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Now this on WBZ.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It's Night Side with Ray on wb Boston's.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
News radio Readley for day and tonight and it's open
lines for the rest of the hour and the evening.
Same thing. Let's uh talk to Robert and Wellesley. I
just told a story about something I did that I
knew it was stupid and it turned out to turn
out badly. Do you have a story like that and
(24:58):
it's fun? You know, in some ways people don't like
to tell other people that they were idy it's but
on the other hand I did. It was cathartic and fun.
You should try it, Robert and Welles. The open lines, though,
you can talk about.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Anything you like.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
Oh, good evening, Uh, mister Bradley, Mister Bradley, J The
I have a comment about your earlier topic of of
punk punk punk music. But the other thing I was
thanks for bringing up the topic of of of hiking
in the in the wilderness and so forth. I think
(25:37):
those are both. I think those are I think that
was good to bring up. I had a quick one.
I don't know too much about punk rock music, but
I was wondering if you were familiar with a punk singer.
The vocalist name was is his Kimbo Rose. She had
a group that I think started out in Washington State.
(25:59):
She may have continued to performing in Massachusetts and the
I think one of the lead songs was roots of
a Narco and she had name. The name of her
group was was has her name in it, but I
can't remember the full man. I just thought it.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Ask.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
And the other thing is I think that when it
comes to to wilderness, uh or a recreation outdoor recreational activity,
I think part of the fun is being is preparing
for a possible self rescue.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
So yeah, I agree with.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
That because I think that you ought obviously, the two
of you felt the adventure of going out, traveling under
or hiking under adverse weather conditions.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
We did not go through the process that you went through,
which is preparing properly. Ever, since that busted finger, I
am careful to prepare.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Oh, I bet I bet so. I think your discussion
was very very interesting. I and so the movies don't
tell us, don't always give us an accurate story when
it comes to first aid. But uh, yeah, there are
there are a few things you see in the movies
that aren't quite right, like like pulling out the impaled objects.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, actually yeah, if you're impaled by anything, like if
you fall on a stick, don't pull out the stick.
If you can cut the stick off, you need to
keep it in there because the stick can the form
of tempana.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
And I'm not a doctor, but this is what I understand.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
In some cases, if you put you out the the object,
you will bleed to death. You need to lead that
lead that in there because it forms what it's called
the tempanon and blocks he keeps the blood from coming out.
But but you shouldn't shouldn't work. You shouldn't move them either.
You should That's that's Do you ever think about that?
What do you do if somebody really gets hurt? Do
(27:54):
you do you leave them and go for help? I
guess you got to do that. So you need to
have with you what it would take to not freeze
to death at night. So one of those survival foil
look and survival blankets and something to eat, and it's
a light with extra batteries and.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Something to start a fire with.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Ye all good, all good ideas of course, So, uh,
were you asking me a question about if someone gets
seriously hurt?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Being depends on we don't want to just hear about
people getting seriously hurt.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
But if you did.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Something dumb that didn't end well, that's a fun that's
a fun thing as long as it's told in it
a family way.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
I think it's pre human to to to do to
do something that way and to wind up doing something
like that. No one's perfect, but education really helps prevent
those situations. I think the uh, some of the organizations,
in particular the Red Cross have have done a good
job of imparting to people ideas of safety and what
(29:07):
to do, of what if there if there isn't and
if there is an accident, and uh, there are certain
general principles that come from that, like you like the
need to like if you're such as rescuing someone from
a strenuous drowning incident, the person needs to be treated
for shock and that's the general principle that that's the
(29:31):
person that it should be anticipated that the person may
be dealing with shock, and preventive care needs to be
taken in order to prevent that from getting worse. Because
there's something that something that because it could turn out
to be serious or fatal, and it doesn't have to
be if certain basic measures are taking taken, and you
(29:51):
mentioned a few of them.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Right, Thank you very much, Robert. Now it's Charlie and Sagas.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Charlie, Hello, Yeah, I got inspired to call in by
Mountana banana story.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
There a slip on the iceer. My case was a
lot more mundane, and it just happened this morning. I
went out my front door about seven o'clock in the
morning to take out a bag of rubbish to be
picked up. And I have two flights that stairs, a
(30:30):
wooden flight with a half a dozen steps and another
half a dozen cement steps or so. Went down the
wooden steps, all right, no problem. As soon as I
got on the front steps the cement steps, my legs
(30:50):
just went up in the air. I fell backwards and
there's there's a lot I I yeah, what eye on
my left I and actually grabbed it with my left hand,
and that that book the fall. I was really very lucky.
If I had missed the railing, i'd been in the
(31:15):
hostile Now.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Black ice, ice that you can't see is brutally dangerous,
terribly terribly dangerous, and that's.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
Why I was on top of black Ice show bad news.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Well, Charlie, thanks for sharing that.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I appreciate it, and I guess we'll talk to Kevin
and Sharing right now.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
On w b Z. Hi Hi, Bradley.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
Bradley, have a request for you. I don't know if
you can fulfill it though. Oh okay, when you were
on the over Night, you used to play this buffer
coming out of the commercials and it used to them
with I'm just talking about brad just see what you
can use that when you're substituting, because I used to
get a big kick out of it.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I don't know, you know, that might be overstepping the
bounds of filling in, but you know.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
What I mean. But I do appreciate that. I love
those were.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
They're called what are they called bumpers, And there were
a whole bunch of kind of song parody bumpers and.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
It was a shaft of course.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Yeah, I love those two. I have them all.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
I oh you do.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Oh yeah, I kept them all. I keep them. I
keep triple backed up.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I'm crazy when it comes to backing my hard drives up.
I have a giant sixteen terabyte hard drive, then I
have another one in the hall backing that up, and
then I have a third that's off the premises that
also gets backed up. So if the house burns down,
I didn't lose the really important things in life, like
(33:00):
my photos, my music, and those pieces of production.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Now I have a suggestion for you. Talking earlier about
punk rock and trying to follow a field of my
taste generally, but here's my suggestion to you. Get a
if you want to hear possibly the first double sided
punk rock record ever. Yeah, get a copy of a
forty five by the Kinks. You rarely got me the side.
(33:29):
I'm sure you're well, I'm sure you're familiar with the
B side, But then take it off the turntable, flip
it over and play the B side. It's a tune
called It's all Right, and it's a hillacious burner of
a tune and performance.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
That's a really good suggestion. Really good Kinks.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
A lot of folks say they're underrated, and I think
they're probably right underrated.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
Oh they were great. I think you can't come up
with any band that sustained what they did for as
long as they did. Because even their very last album,
To the Bone, which is kind of an unplugged a fear,
you know, where they think some of their earlier songs
and redo them unpugged, is really really good. People dismissed
(34:17):
them or dismissed them their way of stuff as arena rock.
They did one or two arena rock songs, but that's
way way over the top, so it's dismiss everything they
did as arena rocket.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yeah, I have kind of guilty pleasure. I don't even
call it guilty pleasure anymore. There's a lot of arena
rock that I have come to appreciate that back in
the day I didn't appreciate.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
I don't know why. Is it just getting old? I
don't think so. I think I've just.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Maybe it's nostalgia, But I kind of appreciate what they
were doing, and there were some folks that were really
super good at it, like Journey, they were really good
at it.
Speaker 7 (34:59):
Well, whenever I hear a phrase arena rock, I think
of you two and Bono you know, stomping around on
stage and you know, uh, just the songs are all slogans,
and you know, he's he's look at me, look at me,
Mom and.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
Dad, IM and I cool blah blah.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
You know, yeah, Okay, do you think you think he's overrated?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Right?
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (35:26):
I like some of their stuff, but generally speaking, he's
a big turn off for me. He's he's he's like
a superhero of rock. I'm not a big fan of
rock superheroes, you know, like a very self.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Aware look at me, Uh, I.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Find the whole show and I'm bigger than everybody else,
that kind of thing. You know.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I appreciate your frankness, Kevin and Sharon. That was a
great call. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Okay, that was super super fast night, super pleasurable night.
Still have one more little segment to COVID, just so
I don't forget. I wanted to thank my guest Michael
Coin from the Massachusett School of Law. As always, he's excellent,
as well as David Allen Lambert. He's the genealogist I
dream of genealogists.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
He's the best, and we've.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Got to have him back because there's so much he
didn't cover about history. He's a genealogist for the stars
and for a lot of revolutionary figures in Boston as well.
And Jim Sullivan writ former writer for music, writer for
the Boston Globe and Backstage and beyond. Cool book He's
(36:38):
got with lots of photos and stories.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Great great, great night.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
And of course kind of my favorite, the open line.
I love that as well. I like telling the stories.
I got lots of stories. And if you don't call
me first, maybe I'll tell another story. But I'd rather
hear a story from you. At six one seven, two,
five four ten thirty six one seven thirty is WBZ.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
That's right, Bradley j for Dan. It's good to be
with you. This is Nightside. You know, you can listen
to Nightside anytime. I just simply googling Nightside on demand.
I do that all the time. It's it's so cool.
Say I'm driving back from White Mountains, Boom. It just
it's my little magic carpet ride back listening to the
(37:30):
night Side shows and WBC Live. Last time I went
up to my Mount Washington hotel. WBZ was loud and
clear every step of the way, which is great. And
then we go to and here's proof that you can
listen on the iHeartRadio app. We have Sky in Napa, California.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
High Sky.
Speaker 8 (37:50):
Hey, how you doing today?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Very well?
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Thanks wonderful.
Speaker 9 (37:56):
Anyway, I was just in a backtrack a couple of conversations.
Is as far as punk rock band, I would say,
I like to listen to the jam?
Speaker 8 (38:08):
How about you?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
The Jam? It's funny. I was just I love the jam.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Uh that was down on the subway at midnight, and
this is the modern world, and.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
I was trying to think and also going underground, which.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
That's what I'm Yes, so that's different than down right, yeah,
I think so.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Anyway, I was doing a little battle in my head
about the Jam earlier in the day, and I was
trying to decide if the Jam were punk or new wave.
But maybe they were kind of new wave looking but
punk singing. The sound was punk.
Speaker 8 (38:45):
Maybe if they were looking on the back door, they
would be that.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
But yeah, I guess I'd.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Go I wouldn't argue with punk. Okay, fine, they were
around at the right time. They short songs, sure, did
you ever?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
I never saw them. Did you ever see them?
Speaker 8 (39:03):
No, I didn't know. Uh no, I did see the Who,
But that's not what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
No. Actually, now it's open line, so we can talk
about anything. I got a couple of minutes. Tell me
about the WHO experience.
Speaker 7 (39:15):
Oh, I was.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
Well that when I was living in Boston with Well
Frankie boy. I've actually met you a couple of times
at the Winery City.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 9 (39:27):
Anyway.
Speaker 8 (39:28):
Now I live back in California, but yeah, no, I saw, Yeah,
I saw the Who a few times. It was great,
absolutely rocking.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
I guess they're about as loud as loud as you
can get other than Motorhead, I guess, but super loud,
I would guess so.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
But I'll be honest, though I did see before. What's
the face? Most wonderful? Ozzie Osborne actually fell asleep in
this concert. Don't ask me how I did, but I did.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
That's not good.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
How about now, what's since we're just chatting here, what's
the greatest rock song of all time?
Speaker 6 (40:08):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (40:08):
Bloody hell, I would say that she wins not Jesus.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
No, you put me on the spot.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah, it's okay. You can change your ry tomorrow while
you're thinking, I'll give you mind.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Go ahead, okay, I.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Mean, of course it always changes. And there's one part
of the song it's a little weird, but I don't
see how you beat the urgent, driving, primal rock of
a Whole Lot of Love by led Zeppelin.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
I mean, how do you Oh my gosh, yes, for sure, how.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Do you beat that? And it's such a simple.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
You can't, no, you cannot.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
It's outstanding.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
And lately I've been watching a lot of YouTube videos
of classic rock or all kinds of rock, and yeah,
there's one video of led Zeppelin seems to be pretty
early because they're all.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Super skinny, and he introduces the band kind of like some.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
People might not know who they were, like, this is
a Jimmy page on the guitar, and it was it
was a whole lot of no excuse me, it was
how many more Times? There was this big, long version
of how many More Times? And I see that and
I'm just blown away by the power of those guys.
And you know, there wasn't a hope. We're not a
(41:31):
whole lot of people there, but the whole was really
more than the some of the parts. And I have
to admit I was never a giant Hoo fan, but
I don't have anything against it.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
I don't know why they were in, they were around.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
I appreciate him, but they never rocked my They never
rung my bell like Zeppelin rang my bell.
Speaker 8 (41:55):
Right, Well, maybe you got uncomfortably numb, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yes, maybe it could be so out there in Napa Vlli.
Do they give free wine to everybody, like every our
residents getting like a keg of free wine?
Speaker 8 (42:10):
No?
Speaker 7 (42:11):
Not really?
Speaker 3 (42:12):
All right, then forget it. I'm not coming Sky. What
a great call. Thank you so much. And Alia, it's great.
I feel like you're warming up to me a little bit.
And a few more calls. I really hope that when
you call, it's a pleasant experience, and that if you
haven't ever called, that you screw up your courage and
do it, because once you do it, you'll have a
whole new voice and a whole new community that will
(42:35):
be you know, your friends, your community. Thanks Rob Brooks,
Thanks to all my guess it's WBZ. Oh, thanks to
Dan Ray It's w b Z.
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