September 10, 2025 • 40 mins
Turning Point USA’s CEO and co-founder, Charlie Kirk, was fatally shot today during an outdoor event at Utah Valley University. Kirk was about 20 minutes into his presentation when a single shot rang out and hit him in the neck. President Donald Trump posted messages of sympathy on Truth Social. This was the first stop on Turning Point USA’s planned 14-city American Comeback Tour. Dan brought the very latest on this story.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
With Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Were you talking about the story of the day that
Charlie Kirk murder. I do have a sound bite or
two that I'm going to play, but Tom has been
waiting a long time. So let me go immediately to
Tom and Middleton, and then we get to the sound
bites of a couple of.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
The people who were what's up. It's not Tom, it's Pelvis.
How you doing anyway? I don't know, it's I don't know,
it's okay, but anyways, no, I mean looking at this,
you know, for a while, it's so unfortunate. This guy
goes on these campus tours. He gives an open forum
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for everybody to stand up and debate him openly, no
matter what their agenda is. And he and he's very
obviously snippy and and very you know, uh smart, waited
with this. But this, in my opinion, was a professional hit.
This is over the now reporting over six hundred and
fifty foot shot. That's not somebody who's maniacal going to
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one of these gatherings. This is something that he had
to be stifled. And going back to just the ridicule.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And help you want just jump in for one second, Pelvis,
I'm delighted that you're the first caller who kind of
shares that idea with me. Just the more I thought
about it today, it's like, how do you do this
from six hundred and fifty feet?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I mean that no chance, that's a Jay hit. I
mean it's it's a yeah, it's a it's a total
assassination hit from in the professional one shot. My opinion
is if this was a maniacal person who's mad at
his rhetoric or mad at the way he's hosting these events,
they would have shot up the entire maga crowd in
front of him. They would have been that this is
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one single shot, hit him perfect and they're out. And
you know, let me like the publicized part of this,
like South Park in the recent days, has you know,
not glorified, but they obviously self parked the animated cartoon
show whatever they take these these political or anybody who's
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connected to political party, and they're making mockery of them.
You know, on the show. It's not saying that this
is like part of it, but you know, this guy's
not a political figure, but he's obviously driven to debate
people on heavy topics, specifically mental illness, which he has
every right to because if mental illness, you know, if
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we treated mental illness the way we should have, that
Ukrainian girl would have never been killed the other day
on the train for its fourteen time guys, Yeah, okay,
I to.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Ask you a question. Yeah, you know, I've had you
on the show before. I think you're a smart guy.
This is an actual honest question, assuming that this was calculated,
and you know, if we would characterize as a professional
hit and this guy somehow was able to get away
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and oh tonight there's a dangerous there's a surge. What
do you think the chances out there ever going to
find this guy?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I don't think there is, And if there is, it's
going to be some kind of Scapegows story that we
hear about. And that's just my opinion, you know what.
I'm one of these guys. I look a little bit
deeper into the things that we're being fed on the
media on all occasions. And this was coming up on
the I'm not going to go way off topic, but
obviously coming up on the twenty fourth University of nine
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eleven total different story, but look at building number seven.
Tell me how that happened?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Anyways, that the whole idea, the whole thing is just
it's insane. This guy had to be silenced because he
was doing too much responsible debating, responsible reporting. I guess
you would call it whatever. And it's disgusting because he's
a thirty one year old man with a beautiful family,
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and it's it's it's just disgusting that guy goes out
like this by killing him, Well, no one else is
gonna want to take his job, is my point. No
One else is going to go and debate these people
who are mentally ill. Who I watched them debate a
forty five year old man who's dressing in a tutu, right,
you know what I mean? And whatever, it's just it's disgusting.
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You know, they should reopen Daver State and the rest
of the mental astitutions.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I don't necessarily disagree with you on that, by the way,
but I just want to know.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
But I'm just saying it's hard. It's hard to deal
with because this guy gives everybody a very fair chance
to debate him. He's not he's not mean. He doesn't
go after anybody about their race or there anything. He
sits here and gives a very intelligent debate. It makes
no sense. I don't know who's behind it, but there's
something very nefarious about a six hundred and fifty foot
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shot to the mech one shot and doesn't you know,
and gets away scott free. It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, I mean, you would think that someone would have
seen something, and even if they were outside the bounds
of the of the location, they hear a gunshot and
all of a sudden they see a guy moving quickly away.
I think that somebody gets a license plate number or
something and the mistake is made and it's a rental
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car and they figure out who. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I don't know. The family shots is disgusting. It's so sad.
But anyways, that nice like him.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Thanks Pelvis talk soon. This was one of the witnesses.
His name is Christian Overton. He went to this with
his son. This is an excellent interview about a minute
long cut for Rob.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I attended the event with my seventeen year old son,
Ryder Overton this afternoon. We got there about an hour
early and had found some what we thought were good seats.
It wasn't shortly after that we moved on to the
fence and we're allowed to sit just off from the
stage where he presented. Everything went as planned. He actually
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even came out and handed my son, you know, a
couple of hats. So it was a wonderful, wonderful gesture
and we were excited. And after about the second question
that was asked, is about the time we heard the shot.
I diverted to look up just for a second to
see what but you know where the sound had come from.
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And then seconds later witnessed Charlie with a hole in
his neck and bleeding. It was at that time we
laid down on the ground, not knowing what you know,
or how many shots might follow. At that point, it
was just a matter of trying to get out of
the gates and find and go to a safe place.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Okay, well take a break. We have lines of full
right now, so back off. Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
It's night Side with Ray Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
We'll go right back to the phones. Try we're going
to try to move people a little bit more quickly.
Let me go to Lola in Watertown. Lola, you were
next on Nightside. Thanks for calling in tough.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
I'm still in Watertown, believe it or not, but this has.
This is nauseatingly sickening that we're still talking about another shooting.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, well, I hope it's the last, but I fear
it's not.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
To that.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Again, I said, I hope it's the last.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
But.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
It's not the No, the girl that got murdered, the
Ukrainian girl that got murdered, she's just as equally as
important as this guy. Every day, every day something's going wrong.
Our whole society is a mess. It's a it's out
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of control. Now, you bump somebody in Dubai and you
go to prison for a year of seven years. I'm
starting to think Dubai is safer than living here, And
this is another sick thought.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So I just want to understand what you said. So,
if you're walking down the street and you inadvertently bump
someone in Dubai, you can be charged with a crime.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Yes, this girl, this girl bumped into somebody at the
airport and they took her away.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Okay, I did not. I had not seen that story.
All I wanted to do is get it clarified, that's all, Lola.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Yeah, yeah, Well you know, you know me, I'm everywhere,
so I read stuff everywhere too. I'm just trying to
make a point. This is out of control. I remember
when JFK got murdered RFK, Martin Luther King. Look, it's
still going on.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well along the way, you've got Aled Lowensen, who was
a Democratic congressman. George Wallace was shot, Ronald Regular Gerald
fool was shot twice. I mean, you know, you know,
and then you have you know, Steve Scalise, the House
Minority leader, was shot. You there's this is.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Going on and on and on. So the first thing
they need to look at who with a disgruntled Navy
seals that they just cut loose. They cut loose five
years ago. That's simmering. This was a you're right, this
was a shot shooter hit person. Maybe it was from
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another country. They have their own Navy Seals.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah. Well, I will say this if if this crime
is never solved, meaning if a couple of years from now,
we're saying, you remember the guy that got killed Charlie Kirk,
they never arrested anyone. That's going to say quite a bit.
There's a lot of pressure on law enforcement only because
this was done at what twelve fifteen in the afternoon,
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high noon in aoram Utah on a college campus in
front of two or three thousand witnesses.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I see it.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I see the campus map that's on the New York Post,
and it shows you with the location of the shooter.
You know, he's on the top of this big, tall building.
Here's the problem. This is a soft target.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Right right, right, But are you talking about I saw
a video which maybe was on the New York Post
about an hour ago, of somebody a figure on top
of the building. I think that's what you're talking about, right.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Yes, yes, I'm looking at not the video. This is
a map and it shows the building and then the
target area.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Okay, so look, by the.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Time that happens, that guy was gone. He was probably
changing his clothes on the way down the staircase.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
It all sounds fouted, but you see it in movies
all the time. Mission impossible, boom, boom boom. Somebody highly trained.
Both of this are and it doesn't matter what his
brain's thinking, Oh why did he do it? It doesn't
matter the poor guy dead.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I mean no, it does matter, because I do think
that that there's a there's an issue there, so.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
They put the health issue.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I'm looking at the same map you're looking at. Uh,
and that's a long shot.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
That's a very that's a long shot.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
It's you know, it's a disgruntled shop shooter in some military,
some way or somehow. I don't know if it's from
our country. I don't know if it's from an outside country.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I certainly don't want to the left. Well, I would
just I just want to leave it, Lola at it
was a It looks it has the earmarks of a
professional hit. I don't think we should characterize it as
disgruntled anything. It could have been somebody who had a
payday and figured that this was an easy payday.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
This wasn't like and we just had the lunar eclipse
and everything goes bonkers when when we have eclipses.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, you mentioned that last week, so maybe you right?
All right, thank you much, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Okay, dan as always talk soon.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yes, let's go to Joe. Joe is in Belmont. Joe,
you were next all nights. I appreciate your patience.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Go ahead, Joe Early Hobby Silverglade called and Uh, he
wanted to know what was the reason for all the violence.
You said, mental illness. I have a different opinion. I
say that it's people aren't praying, they're aren't worshiping God,
they're not going to church. And our founding fathers have said,
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you can't force people to go to pray or go
to church. Now, if I'm right, how are we going
to solve this problem?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well, I think that there were a lot of really
good people, Joe, who do not go to church. There's
a lot of people who live in this country and
and they're not affiliated with the religion. And there's some
people it's not you and it's not me, but they
happen to be either atheist or agnostic, but they are
in many cases better people than you with me?
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Can I disagree? Can I disagree with you?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You can always disagree with me, Joel, I'm just telling
you my opinion. Of course, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
There's a lot of good people who follow the Golden Rule,
and those are the people I want as my friends.
Atheists and agnostics.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
You're not agree disagree with me, you're agreeing with me,
But let.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Me make my points. Those people who follow the Golden
Rule don't have God on their side, and they're not
going to be blessed because they don't do the things
God wants.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
How do you know that, Joe.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
It's just my opinion for real.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
No, I understand that, But you're stating it like a fact. Joe.
If in your opinion you think that good people are
not appreciated by God, I disagree with you. I disagreeve you.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
They don't pray and follow God.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Well again, I think God's smarter than you, and he's
smarter than me, or she is smarter than you and
smarter than me. And I think that if they look
at someone, if God looks at someone, who says, see
that guy didn't go to church, that girl didn't go
to church. But they lived a really good life. They
were good to their family, they were good to their friends,
they were charitable, They helped people when a neighbor was
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in trouble. Why would God not look at them and
say they're good people.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
They are good people. But if they don't obey the
ten commandments, they might get God's wrath.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, well, I guess that's a possibility.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
But I'd like to hear from other people of your
audience if they think cuckoo or not, they probably are.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Said, people do think you are. You're cuckoo, Joe, But
but that's only their opinion. Don't be concerned about that.
Have a good one, Okay, my friend, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Thanks, Joe, have a great guy. Next up, Joe is
in Cambridge. Joe, you were next. We got back to back.
Joe's here, go ahead, Joe.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, thanks Dan.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
He had me going there for a sec when you
said Joe and was Belmont. So I'm gonna withhold a
lot of my normal political rhetoric that you know me for.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Thank you, no.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Thank you. You have the exception of the rule tonight.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Go Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
I think you know where I stand on a lot
of this, but I don't think that that would do
any justice or service, you know, for what the purpose
of tonight is. And I'm I'm happy and glad that
you know you've delineated that.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
On your show.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
I've been following Charlie Kirk for several years now, and
you know, I can't I've lost count of how many
of his videos I've watched, you know, on YouTube's you know,
out there with a lot of content. And as you
start watching a lot of his you know, debates, you
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had a caller earlier that you know related mentioned the
Socratic method and even though his opinions may not necessarily
totally align with yours. You know, your previous caller kind
of out of one of my sentiments that I was
going to point out tonight and which you know Charlie
did share. You know, that one, you know, great aspect
to his platform that you do, which you know he invited,
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like you, you know, members of both sides of the opposition
to debate. You know, he always gave members of his
you know, opposing side or views the opportunity to state,
you know, their opinion, never yelled at them and never
be little down like you and you know, always you know,
came back with them with solid you know argument, whether
they agreed or not. And in some of his later
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videos or latest videos, you know, there are even insince
is where he actually converted some of his opponents you know,
or debaters that came. So that's that's a testament to
the great man that he was. I mean, I on
a personal level tonight, I'm very hurt, you know, I'm
very sad for him. I feel terribly, you know, the
country lost a great you know, human being tonight and
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in the world for that matter. And you know, I
can't imagine the paint that you know, his wife and
his you know, his family, and those two young kids
of his. I mean, what they're going to grow up
to to hear, you know, eventually all these people on
the other side slamming and you know, you know, defaming
him or trying to. But on a different note, I
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just wanted to just touch upon real quick. I know
you you know, you've had some callers and you have
a theory floating out there about this being a professional hit.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'm just saying that it looks to me at this point.
I mean, normally in a situation, I guess they have
someone in custody and you know, they've really done their
job because the person makes mistakes. But this that it
seems to me that that this could be a tough
case to solve.
Speaker 8 (18:13):
But go ahead, no, I agree.
Speaker 7 (18:16):
I mean, he certainly has made enough enemies over these
you know, several years that and especially the hot topic
button you know, button topics that he's you know staunchly,
you know, was staunchly you know positioned on that that
he really you know, it's no stretch to think that
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there could have been some higher, wealthier power and I'm
not going to name the name that we all know
could have somehow funded some type of you know, professional
aspect to come in and do the job. But that
being said, it wouldn't surprise me either if this was
some fringe, you know, radical you know, individual on the
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opposite side that didn't agree and didn't necessarily have to
be a professional and my professional. I think that a
lot of people when they hear that, thinking military. I've
heard that thrown out, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Think about somebody like a jack on someone who who
if you, if you have enough money, you want to
have somebody taken out you you you develop a plan.
That's what I mean by professional, someone who's going to
do the job. Uh And and they're going to be
in a position where they're not seeing uh And I
don't know if if obviously the weapon was not recovered
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from what I mean, I haven't seen that a weapon
was recovered, So that means now you got some some
evidence start to play with. I don't know. I'm just
done that that there's not some progress on this case,
that's all. I'm just raising it as a point of conversation,
that's all. Joe.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I'm not.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Yeah, I agree and I'm with you on that I'm
shocked to the division. But they might be their cars
close to the chest right now. But that being said,
it could it could just as easily, like I was
starting to say, it could just as usually be some
fringe fanatic that you know, took the time to go
to the range, you know, to train and doesn't necessarily
have to be a professional, because I'll tell you, I'll
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tell you this. You know, you know, I have family
and friends in law enforcement and you know, and friends
that are involved in you know, competitive long range shooting.
So that that being said, you don't have to be
a professional today.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
There, Joe, I got fifty I got fifteen seconds left.
I know the points you're making.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I think the audience.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
Yeah, there are tools and methods and means out there
available that this could be accomplished.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
So that's all I say.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Sure enough, Joe, I got to run here to a
CBS News special report is always Thanks so much for calling,
But right now we're going to go to CBS News.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray, Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
All right, by the way, thanks very much, Dian Watkins.
Tomorrow night at nine o'clock, we're going to talk with
a member of our audience. Ron Gardette, who has a
very interesting story. He was involved with nine to eleven.
He was at the site in New York less than
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twenty four hours after the planes hit the buildings. He
was part of a medical team that had been sent
to various volunteer a team that volunteered for that he
volunteered for. They got some sort of payment, but they
were basically a rapid response team that He went to
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New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, went to Iran during an earthquake,
and also went to nine to eleven. And Tomorrow night
is the twenty fourth Well, Tomorrow's the twenty fourth anniversary
of nine eleven, twenty four years ago. Tonight, all those
people who were killed in the airplanes and at the Pentagon,
and of course firefighters and police officers and others in
New York, people worked in the in the World Trade
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Center twenty four years ago. Tonight, they were alive. They
were you know, going to bed, getting ready for travel
or getting ready just to go to work in the
next day. And realize didn't realize that there areas were
numbered and could happen to all of us, any of us,
and I think all of us should keep that in mind,
and certainly Charlie Kirk, I'm sure last night, at this
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time had no idea that today would be his last
day on earth. So I guess we all got to
keep that in mind as well, and not take any
day for granted, and not take our friends for granted either.
Theodore is in Baltimore Theatre next on Nightside, Welcome. If
Theodore is not ready, Rob will put Theodore on hold
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and we will come back to Theodore. In the meantime,
we're going to go to Dan in Hooks at New Hampshire. Dan,
you were next on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Welcome, Hey, Dan, Elayah.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I'm fine, little shaken up as a result of what
we have all experienced today.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, I hear that.
Speaker 9 (23:13):
I just wanted to chime in real quick. I am
a avid shooter and hunter, and I wanted to get
some you know, clarification out there that you know, two
hundred yards is really not a long shot for really,
you know, anyone. I feel like, with you know, five
minutes of simple instruction, I could probably have somebody shooting
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confidently at one hundred yards, you know. To put furthermore
into perspective, I was citing in my ear rifle today
and I you know, my my typical group is about
an inch inch and a half at one hundred yards,
So you know, I think that very well it could
have been you know, somebody that was well trained. That's
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definitely a possibility. I think that you know, shot place
and in the neck was probably you know, not his
intended target. So I was I'm thinking he probably was
probably aiming at other places.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
So you think he probably is aiming at center mass
and the shot is off a little bit. But unlike
you know, President Trump who who was shot and was hit,
but he was hit in effect on his ear lobe.
If the truth be known, so let me ask you this,
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if if the average person, even somebody who had some training,
was gonna get on top of a building and take
that shot and then calmly and coolly walk away, So
the person I assume just disappeared into the crowd wasn't noticed.
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There's no suggestion that a rifle has been has been found.
That evidence, I guess could be being held back. It
does say to you that this might be more than
just some person who had it in for you know,
Charlie Kirk, that there was that there was maybe a
political motivation and maybe a political motivation that that that
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funded a professional hit. I mean, that's a pretty clean job.
I can't think of another time when someone took a
shot of that magnitude and we didn't know who they
were within him two or three hours later, can you.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
I just I just think that if it was a
professional hit, they wouldn't have done it from two hundred yards.
They probably would have done it from much much farther.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Okay, so you're you're disagreeing with I guess. I guess
the figure that the New York Post is quoting is
six hundred and fifty feet, which is just a little
over two hundred yards.
Speaker 9 (25:50):
Yes, yeah, I just think that that's that's really, you know,
not a difficult shot to take. And like I said,
the other thing that kind of makes me think that
is is, you know, most people sight in at one
hundred yards and they deal with bullet drop farther than that,
which would put that bullet if they were aiming at
his head, in his neck. So that's kind of why
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I kind of leaned towards that.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Just one shot, you think you think that somebody again,
you know, I think if there were three or four
shots that were that were fired, I'd say, Okay, that's sloppy.
You don't buy it.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
I did it.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
Uh, coyote hunting at two hundred and fifty yards last year,
so it's it's really not as.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Hard and it just took it one shot every time.
Speaker 10 (26:46):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
Yeah, what that particular coyote was?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yes, So how many coyotes just just one? One shot?
One coyote, one dead coyote?
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Okay, Well were you using what sort of what's sort
of a gun? What sort of a weapon.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
Oh, it's a it's just a cheap, cheap bolt action rifle,
so nothing, nothing spectacular. It was five hundred bucks plus
the skull, so I probably got six hundred bucks six
fifty into it.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Okay, Well, we'll see, we'll see how it turns out.
It just does it. Does it trouble you that somebody
could disappear in melting and not even be detected at
this point? Does that surprise you? I mean, that's a
pretty open area if you've looked at the gypography there.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
No.
Speaker 9 (27:34):
I mean, I think they'll find him, but it doesn't
surprise me that he, you know, disappeared temporarily. I can't
say where I work, but the security is pretty lax,
and it shouldn't be, especially at a school. It really
should not be.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Okay, all right, Dan, I appreciate it very much, appreciate
your call.
Speaker 9 (27:53):
Well, thanks for taking me.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You bet you that a great night? Uh let me uh,
I'm I'm going to break quickly here a little early,
rob because I hope Theodore is back and I don't
want to short change Theodore, Joe or Dorothy in Alabama,
and it's now forty three and I don't want to
cut anybody to two minutes. Would be back on Nightside
right after that. We got a couple of lines for
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the first time tonight six one, seven, two, five, four
to ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
No guarantees, but I'll try to get you on coming
back on Nightside on the night that Charlie Kirk political activist,
conservative political activist was murdered and or assassinated, however you
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want to describe it. But there's no way that he
could have imagined that this was his last day on earth.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Back on Nightside, You're on night Side with Dan Ray.
I'm telling you BZ Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
All right, let's go. We're getting little tight on time.
I'm going to go to Theodore in Baltimore Theatre. I'm
glad you're there. Now, go right, a hitter.
Speaker 11 (28:58):
I'm listening to you, Dan, and you as usually when
these things happen, he's about the company line. We should
all get together. It's not gonna happen, Dan, it's not
gonna happen. They should look at the rhetoric of this guy,
and for the younger people. Nineteen seventy three, The Day
of the Jackal, you will see how a professional who
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is amoral and amoral comes dis close he had a
kiss to killing Charles de Gaulle. It's a great movie
called The Day of the Jackal. If you looked at
the rhetoric of mister Kirk and those who supported him
along with mister Trump.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
So the theater, you're not trying to You're trying to
justify this murder, and I'm not buying it. I really
want that.
Speaker 11 (29:48):
I'm not justifying a dance. But you never Well, it's
just like when you people talk about Trump, well people don't.
It's not that we don't like Trump, it's his policies
and his hate for rhetoric. That man in twenty nineteen,
supported by Kirk, said black people come from blank whole countries,
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and he's shown what he thinks about people like me,
So did mister Kirk.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
I am not just so again.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
You know we're going to go down to the same
road here theatre, so I'm going to do it quickly. Okay.
If that is true, that is your perspective. I can't
change your perspective. Okay. I did not take it that way.
I don't happen to be black, So therefore you you
have every right to take it differently than to take
that the context of that and the comment differently. I
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would never.
Speaker 11 (30:40):
Have you ever listened to him?
Speaker 12 (30:41):
You ever listened to him?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I've got he answered my question. Here's my question, Theodore.
There were more black men who voted for Donald Trump
in twenty twenty four, then voted for him in twenty twenty,
voted for him in twenty sixteen. There were more Hispanic
men who voted for Donald Trump in twenty.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
Two regretted to the day.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
The twenty four to twenty twenty. I don't know that
they regretted to the day. There are a lot I
look at all these demonstrations in Washington, the people who
were upset with what Trump is doing in making Washington
a little safer. There are a whole bunch of white people.
I didn't realize so many white people lived in Washington,
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d C.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
Theodore, Well, it's not like it used to be. But
I'm saying this, I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Wait, wait, is that just trust my issue? If you're right, Theodore,
why is it that all these other black men and
black women who are supporting him more now than ever before,
and by the way, more supporting a Republican more than
they supported George Bush or John McCain.
Speaker 11 (31:44):
Well, the term that you applied to those people of
my rice, most of them self deluded, and they got
a great degree of self hatred.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
And you can okay, Fine, that's fine, Okay, So so
you have an answer. I think that that is insulted
to those folks, but I'll allow them. I should put
you some night on and and and debate. Rashid, who
was on earlier tonight, happens to be a young black guy,
thirty years old. The first murder he witnessed in his
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life he was five years of age. You know, there
are different people racially who think differently. There were white
people who hate Donald Trump as much as you do.
Speaker 11 (32:25):
I don't hate Donald Trump. I'm a Christian who dislike him,
like his policies. Ill the man smiles in your face
and tell him and tells you're not worth anything. That's
his heart. That's the heart.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Good enough, all right, all right, Theodore, more time, next time.
But I got three behind you tonight, and I gotta
be fair to everybody.
Speaker 11 (32:47):
Okay, you let me let me know when the young
man comes on.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I put John with I put you on last week,
a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 11 (32:55):
Remember, I remember, you know so I always.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I just think that the point in Theodore is that
people of similar genders, similar sexual persuasions, of similar racial backgrounds,
of similar this similar that this difference is of opinion.
That's what's great.
Speaker 11 (33:14):
Come a point where they and a man got killed,
and what did you say, whack of doodles? You need
you a lawyer, You a lawyer. You need to go
into your vocabulary, which is I'm sure great and these
people are not crazy and whack a doodle.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
If no one what I've said Theodore, very simply so,
so no one has misled. I've said that there are
people on both ends of the political spectrum right winger extremists,
left wing extremists who are wack of doodles, who are
wack of doodles. And if you think that there's only
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wack of doodles in this country on.
Speaker 12 (33:48):
The far right, they look like and you, experienced lawyer,
you need to take whack a doodle out of your
vocabulary when you're speaking about something and the and.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
The you know, Theodore, my vocabulary is pretty good. And
I like Tom Menino, my friend, the former mayor of Boston,
used to refer them as knuckleheads. I kind of like
the word that whack of doodles. So if I'm if
I'm gonna be off on one, I'll be off on
that next time. More time, Thanks Theodore. We'll talk soon,
do you well, my friend? Okay, And what the heck
happened to your Baltimore Ravens on Monday night? I was
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rooting for them.
Speaker 11 (34:23):
They they they they look at and they hear too
much praise of them as being the great team.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
And yeah, yeah, we'll talk soon. Letta, go let it go, go,
gotta go for Theodore and Baltimorella and Dorothy and Alabama. Hey, Dorothy,
welcome back. I haven't heard from you in months.
Speaker 10 (34:42):
Go ahead, Dorothy, Yeah, you know his opinion is like
some of those on MSNBC. If you heard there was
a woman on their last name to her and she
wants to blame it on the right leg of people
for hate speech. Yeah, I mean, that's that's along those
lines urban they're asking for and that kind of the
kind of thing going on. You know when mine was
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running and a lot of people got shut down and
we're censored, you know, things like Facebook, I turned off
people and I did. I wasn't engaging that much. I was, yeah,
axed off of it. But you're talking about the uh
uh yeah about information. Uh, they're they're probably looking in
the more solf and maybe someone has video they're looking over.
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I did hear report that they were seeing someone running
the roofs some kind of movement or some sort yep,
I've seen that in the.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
New York Post. I just think that I'm just raising
it as a question, Dorothy. Could it be a professional
hit where somebody had the thing set up, fired the
one shot, knew when they fired that they were on target,
dropped the weapon, put the weapon somewhere out of the
way or whatever, and walked away.
Speaker 10 (35:50):
On wing the movies obviously, you know they were going
for a headshot and not a cook's guy. You know,
with Tromp, not all the information has come out about him.
You know, he had he had the foreign thanks out
of the country and that's not been released.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Well, there's an article in the New York Times. It's
one of my other listeners reported to me. Just put
in Thomas Crook's profile in the New York Times. There's
more in that article that I think you'd be interested in,
to be honest with.
Speaker 10 (36:19):
You, Okay, yeah, and well you would say he was
a professional, but he did train. He went to a
local range where law enforcement and FBI went.
Speaker 12 (36:27):
Oh yeah, No.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
He was a strange kid though, he I mean, he
had some real serious issues. The New York Times did
a pretty good piece. I want to know more, but
it's the most in depth piece that I've read so far.
Simple as that, Hey, Dorothy, I got three behind you.
I'm gonna let you run here, but come on back
and call a little early. We need to chat a
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little bit more.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Okay, let's go through a minute.
Speaker 10 (36:52):
I'll call you guys. Born on the half about and
half the hour there in a whole little bit.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Well the problem is I'm trying to get everybody.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
Maybe if I hear you doing it like an open
line or something, or get in any night.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
You're welcome every night. Thanks Dorothy. We'll talk soon, all right,
Joe and Lynn, Joe, I got you in. I know
you called late, but you got to be quick for me.
Speaker 13 (37:15):
Joe, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
And this is a sad day. Both my prayers weren't answered.
Mister de Mulis and Charlie Clerk, they're both good people.
Because he called me the Mulis when I compliment his
people on Charlie Clerk got shot. Can you play that
last and I disagree with Joe. A lot of good
people don't go to church. You can hear mass on
the ring. Can you play that last clip where he
was answering questions and the incident happened. I can't find that.
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I'm not good on the internet, as you know.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
With me.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
They asked him some sort of a question, He picked
up the microphone, He sort of like touched his nose,
picked up the microphone, started to speak and that's when
the bullet hit.
Speaker 8 (37:53):
I think it was a direct, deliberate professional and I
hope they get this guy. I mean, you and I
don't agree on something, but people have, like Charlie says,
the right to disagree, and I'm disappointed with both people.
And I hope mister Demolis gets his job back.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
We'll talk about Arthur t tomorrow night. How's that? Okay?
Thanks Joe?
Speaker 8 (38:13):
Oh really okay, Kenny talk about him tonight.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
But this story took over.
Speaker 8 (38:17):
Thank you, my friend, and I hope you get that
debate going all.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Right, Thanks much. Thanks, touch to you soon. Okay, gonna
wrap it here, Phil in Boston.
Speaker 13 (38:25):
Phil, gotta be quick, hitting a lot of subjects. A
guy hit one shot. You can fold these guns up.
I guess I have I own the guy. You'll probably
fold them up, putting up change offense. The only thing
that might be able to help ustibly get this guy
is the guy to be a cameras. He just didn't
go into a park a lot. He couldn't disappear in
the crowd, but sometimes they can. They can mock them
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and line up and see whe they go. They're gotta
be a motorcycle outside or a car or some kind
of tensitation to get them out of this. The only
way that warmness. But that was unbelievable shot and that
kind of this. I'm just he must have sent a
mess but on what was almost like he got hit
in the same area as Trump did. I don't know
about any kind of I'm exaggerated, but I guess. But
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the bottom line is it's well Trump Trump was hitting
the right ear low.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
This guy was hitting the lower left quadrant of the Sad.
Speaker 13 (39:16):
Thing is I had already forgotten about the lady who's
are killing the subway. There's so many things happened.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
You got it, You got it, Phil. I love your
emotion and thank you for calling, but we're flat out
of time.
Speaker 13 (39:28):
I figured I gotta go very much.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Talk to you soon. All right, to the callers in
the line, you got a call early. We're done for
the night, Rob Brooks, great job tonight. Thanks to Karen Bussemi,
who produced the program. We had to make some of
late changes. We're back tomorrow night. We may get to this,
we may do RDT, and we may talk about Kamala
Harris's new book or his book book Just out the book,
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Just out All Dogs, all cats, off, pets go to Heaven.
That's why Pal Charlie Rays, who passed fifteen years ago
in February. That's why all your pets are who had passed.
They loved you. You love that. I do believe you'll
see them again. Pruised for Charlie Kirk and his family. Tonight,
I'll be on Facebook nice with Dan Ray in just
a couple of moments
With Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Were you talking about the story of the day that
Charlie Kirk murder. I do have a sound bite or
two that I'm going to play, but Tom has been
waiting a long time. So let me go immediately to
Tom and Middleton, and then we get to the sound
bites of a couple of.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
The people who were what's up. It's not Tom, it's Pelvis.
How you doing anyway? I don't know, it's I don't know,
it's okay, but anyways, no, I mean looking at this,
you know, for a while, it's so unfortunate. This guy
goes on these campus tours. He gives an open forum
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for everybody to stand up and debate him openly, no
matter what their agenda is. And he and he's very
obviously snippy and and very you know, uh smart, waited
with this. But this, in my opinion, was a professional hit.
This is over the now reporting over six hundred and
fifty foot shot. That's not somebody who's maniacal going to
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one of these gatherings. This is something that he had
to be stifled. And going back to just the ridicule.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And help you want just jump in for one second, Pelvis,
I'm delighted that you're the first caller who kind of
shares that idea with me. Just the more I thought
about it today, it's like, how do you do this
from six hundred and fifty feet?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I mean that no chance, that's a Jay hit. I
mean it's it's a yeah, it's a it's a total
assassination hit from in the professional one shot. My opinion
is if this was a maniacal person who's mad at
his rhetoric or mad at the way he's hosting these events,
they would have shot up the entire maga crowd in
front of him. They would have been that this is
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one single shot, hit him perfect and they're out. And
you know, let me like the publicized part of this,
like South Park in the recent days, has you know,
not glorified, but they obviously self parked the animated cartoon
show whatever they take these these political or anybody who's
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connected to political party, and they're making mockery of them.
You know, on the show. It's not saying that this
is like part of it, but you know, this guy's
not a political figure, but he's obviously driven to debate
people on heavy topics, specifically mental illness, which he has
every right to because if mental illness, you know, if
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we treated mental illness the way we should have, that
Ukrainian girl would have never been killed the other day
on the train for its fourteen time guys, Yeah, okay,
I to.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Ask you a question. Yeah, you know, I've had you
on the show before. I think you're a smart guy.
This is an actual honest question, assuming that this was calculated,
and you know, if we would characterize as a professional
hit and this guy somehow was able to get away
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and oh tonight there's a dangerous there's a surge. What
do you think the chances out there ever going to
find this guy?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I don't think there is, And if there is, it's
going to be some kind of Scapegows story that we
hear about. And that's just my opinion, you know what.
I'm one of these guys. I look a little bit
deeper into the things that we're being fed on the
media on all occasions. And this was coming up on
the I'm not going to go way off topic, but
obviously coming up on the twenty fourth University of nine
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eleven total different story, but look at building number seven.
Tell me how that happened?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Anyways, that the whole idea, the whole thing is just
it's insane. This guy had to be silenced because he
was doing too much responsible debating, responsible reporting. I guess
you would call it whatever. And it's disgusting because he's
a thirty one year old man with a beautiful family,
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and it's it's it's just disgusting that guy goes out
like this by killing him, Well, no one else is
gonna want to take his job, is my point. No
One else is going to go and debate these people
who are mentally ill. Who I watched them debate a
forty five year old man who's dressing in a tutu, right,
you know what I mean? And whatever, it's just it's disgusting.
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You know, they should reopen Daver State and the rest
of the mental astitutions.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I don't necessarily disagree with you on that, by the way,
but I just want to know.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
But I'm just saying it's hard. It's hard to deal
with because this guy gives everybody a very fair chance
to debate him. He's not he's not mean. He doesn't
go after anybody about their race or there anything. He
sits here and gives a very intelligent debate. It makes
no sense. I don't know who's behind it, but there's
something very nefarious about a six hundred and fifty foot
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shot to the mech one shot and doesn't you know,
and gets away scott free. It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, I mean, you would think that someone would have
seen something, and even if they were outside the bounds
of the of the location, they hear a gunshot and
all of a sudden they see a guy moving quickly away.
I think that somebody gets a license plate number or
something and the mistake is made and it's a rental
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car and they figure out who. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I don't know. The family shots is disgusting. It's so sad.
But anyways, that nice like him.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Thanks Pelvis talk soon. This was one of the witnesses.
His name is Christian Overton. He went to this with
his son. This is an excellent interview about a minute
long cut for Rob.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I attended the event with my seventeen year old son,
Ryder Overton this afternoon. We got there about an hour
early and had found some what we thought were good seats.
It wasn't shortly after that we moved on to the
fence and we're allowed to sit just off from the
stage where he presented. Everything went as planned. He actually
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even came out and handed my son, you know, a
couple of hats. So it was a wonderful, wonderful gesture
and we were excited. And after about the second question
that was asked, is about the time we heard the shot.
I diverted to look up just for a second to
see what but you know where the sound had come from.
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And then seconds later witnessed Charlie with a hole in
his neck and bleeding. It was at that time we
laid down on the ground, not knowing what you know,
or how many shots might follow. At that point, it
was just a matter of trying to get out of
the gates and find and go to a safe place.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Okay, well take a break. We have lines of full
right now, so back off. Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
It's night Side with Ray Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
We'll go right back to the phones. Try we're going
to try to move people a little bit more quickly.
Let me go to Lola in Watertown. Lola, you were
next on Nightside. Thanks for calling in tough.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
I'm still in Watertown, believe it or not, but this has.
This is nauseatingly sickening that we're still talking about another shooting.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, well, I hope it's the last, but I fear
it's not.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
To that.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Again, I said, I hope it's the last.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
But.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
It's not the No, the girl that got murdered, the
Ukrainian girl that got murdered, she's just as equally as
important as this guy. Every day, every day something's going wrong.
Our whole society is a mess. It's a it's out
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of control. Now, you bump somebody in Dubai and you
go to prison for a year of seven years. I'm
starting to think Dubai is safer than living here, And
this is another sick thought.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So I just want to understand what you said. So,
if you're walking down the street and you inadvertently bump
someone in Dubai, you can be charged with a crime.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Yes, this girl, this girl bumped into somebody at the
airport and they took her away.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Okay, I did not. I had not seen that story.
All I wanted to do is get it clarified, that's all, Lola.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Yeah, yeah, Well you know, you know me, I'm everywhere,
so I read stuff everywhere too. I'm just trying to
make a point. This is out of control. I remember
when JFK got murdered RFK, Martin Luther King. Look, it's
still going on.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well along the way, you've got Aled Lowensen, who was
a Democratic congressman. George Wallace was shot, Ronald Regular Gerald
fool was shot twice. I mean, you know, you know,
and then you have you know, Steve Scalise, the House
Minority leader, was shot. You there's this is.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Going on and on and on. So the first thing
they need to look at who with a disgruntled Navy
seals that they just cut loose. They cut loose five
years ago. That's simmering. This was a you're right, this
was a shot shooter hit person. Maybe it was from
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another country. They have their own Navy Seals.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah. Well, I will say this if if this crime
is never solved, meaning if a couple of years from now,
we're saying, you remember the guy that got killed Charlie Kirk,
they never arrested anyone. That's going to say quite a bit.
There's a lot of pressure on law enforcement only because
this was done at what twelve fifteen in the afternoon,
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high noon in aoram Utah on a college campus in
front of two or three thousand witnesses.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I see it.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I see the campus map that's on the New York Post,
and it shows you with the location of the shooter.
You know, he's on the top of this big, tall building.
Here's the problem. This is a soft target.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Right right, right, But are you talking about I saw
a video which maybe was on the New York Post
about an hour ago, of somebody a figure on top
of the building. I think that's what you're talking about, right.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Yes, yes, I'm looking at not the video. This is
a map and it shows the building and then the
target area.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Okay, so look, by the.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Time that happens, that guy was gone. He was probably
changing his clothes on the way down the staircase.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
It all sounds fouted, but you see it in movies
all the time. Mission impossible, boom, boom boom. Somebody highly trained.
Both of this are and it doesn't matter what his
brain's thinking, Oh why did he do it? It doesn't
matter the poor guy dead.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I mean no, it does matter, because I do think
that that there's a there's an issue there, so.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
They put the health issue.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I'm looking at the same map you're looking at. Uh,
and that's a long shot.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
That's a very that's a long shot.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
It's you know, it's a disgruntled shop shooter in some military,
some way or somehow. I don't know if it's from
our country. I don't know if it's from an outside country.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I certainly don't want to the left. Well, I would
just I just want to leave it, Lola at it
was a It looks it has the earmarks of a
professional hit. I don't think we should characterize it as
disgruntled anything. It could have been somebody who had a
payday and figured that this was an easy payday.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
This wasn't like and we just had the lunar eclipse
and everything goes bonkers when when we have eclipses.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, you mentioned that last week, so maybe you right?
All right, thank you much, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Okay, dan as always talk soon.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yes, let's go to Joe. Joe is in Belmont. Joe,
you were next all nights. I appreciate your patience.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Go ahead, Joe Early Hobby Silverglade called and Uh, he
wanted to know what was the reason for all the violence.
You said, mental illness. I have a different opinion. I
say that it's people aren't praying, they're aren't worshiping God,
they're not going to church. And our founding fathers have said,
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you can't force people to go to pray or go
to church. Now, if I'm right, how are we going
to solve this problem?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well, I think that there were a lot of really
good people, Joe, who do not go to church. There's
a lot of people who live in this country and
and they're not affiliated with the religion. And there's some
people it's not you and it's not me, but they
happen to be either atheist or agnostic, but they are
in many cases better people than you with me?
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Can I disagree? Can I disagree with you?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You can always disagree with me, Joel, I'm just telling
you my opinion. Of course, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
There's a lot of good people who follow the Golden Rule,
and those are the people I want as my friends.
Atheists and agnostics.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
You're not agree disagree with me, you're agreeing with me,
But let.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Me make my points. Those people who follow the Golden
Rule don't have God on their side, and they're not
going to be blessed because they don't do the things
God wants.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
How do you know that, Joe.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
It's just my opinion for real.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
No, I understand that, But you're stating it like a fact. Joe.
If in your opinion you think that good people are
not appreciated by God, I disagree with you. I disagreeve you.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
They don't pray and follow God.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Well again, I think God's smarter than you, and he's
smarter than me, or she is smarter than you and
smarter than me. And I think that if they look
at someone, if God looks at someone, who says, see
that guy didn't go to church, that girl didn't go
to church. But they lived a really good life. They
were good to their family, they were good to their friends,
they were charitable, They helped people when a neighbor was
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in trouble. Why would God not look at them and
say they're good people.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
They are good people. But if they don't obey the
ten commandments, they might get God's wrath.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, well, I guess that's a possibility.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
But I'd like to hear from other people of your
audience if they think cuckoo or not, they probably are.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Said, people do think you are. You're cuckoo, Joe, But
but that's only their opinion. Don't be concerned about that.
Have a good one, Okay, my friend, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Thanks, Joe, have a great guy. Next up, Joe is
in Cambridge. Joe, you were next. We got back to back.
Joe's here, go ahead, Joe.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, thanks Dan.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
He had me going there for a sec when you
said Joe and was Belmont. So I'm gonna withhold a
lot of my normal political rhetoric that you know me for.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Thank you, no.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Thank you. You have the exception of the rule tonight.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Go Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
I think you know where I stand on a lot
of this, but I don't think that that would do
any justice or service, you know, for what the purpose
of tonight is. And I'm I'm happy and glad that
you know you've delineated that.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
On your show.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
I've been following Charlie Kirk for several years now, and
you know, I can't I've lost count of how many
of his videos I've watched, you know, on YouTube's you know,
out there with a lot of content. And as you
start watching a lot of his you know, debates, you
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had a caller earlier that you know related mentioned the
Socratic method and even though his opinions may not necessarily
totally align with yours. You know, your previous caller kind
of out of one of my sentiments that I was
going to point out tonight and which you know Charlie
did share. You know, that one, you know, great aspect
to his platform that you do, which you know he invited,
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like you, you know, members of both sides of the opposition
to debate. You know, he always gave members of his
you know, opposing side or views the opportunity to state,
you know, their opinion, never yelled at them and never
be little down like you and you know, always you know,
came back with them with solid you know argument, whether
they agreed or not. And in some of his later
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videos or latest videos, you know, there are even insince
is where he actually converted some of his opponents you know,
or debaters that came. So that's that's a testament to
the great man that he was. I mean, I on
a personal level tonight, I'm very hurt, you know, I'm
very sad for him. I feel terribly, you know, the
country lost a great you know, human being tonight and
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in the world for that matter. And you know, I
can't imagine the paint that you know, his wife and
his you know, his family, and those two young kids
of his. I mean, what they're going to grow up
to to hear, you know, eventually all these people on
the other side slamming and you know, you know, defaming
him or trying to. But on a different note, I
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just wanted to just touch upon real quick. I know
you you know, you've had some callers and you have
a theory floating out there about this being a professional hit.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'm just saying that it looks to me at this point.
I mean, normally in a situation, I guess they have
someone in custody and you know, they've really done their
job because the person makes mistakes. But this that it
seems to me that that this could be a tough
case to solve.
Speaker 8 (18:13):
But go ahead, no, I agree.
Speaker 7 (18:16):
I mean, he certainly has made enough enemies over these
you know, several years that and especially the hot topic
button you know, button topics that he's you know staunchly,
you know, was staunchly you know positioned on that that
he really you know, it's no stretch to think that
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there could have been some higher, wealthier power and I'm
not going to name the name that we all know
could have somehow funded some type of you know, professional
aspect to come in and do the job. But that
being said, it wouldn't surprise me either if this was
some fringe, you know, radical you know, individual on the
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opposite side that didn't agree and didn't necessarily have to
be a professional and my professional. I think that a
lot of people when they hear that, thinking military. I've
heard that thrown out, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Think about somebody like a jack on someone who who
if you, if you have enough money, you want to
have somebody taken out you you you develop a plan.
That's what I mean by professional, someone who's going to
do the job. Uh And and they're going to be
in a position where they're not seeing uh And I
don't know if if obviously the weapon was not recovered
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from what I mean, I haven't seen that a weapon
was recovered, So that means now you got some some
evidence start to play with. I don't know. I'm just
done that that there's not some progress on this case,
that's all. I'm just raising it as a point of conversation,
that's all. Joe.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I'm not.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Yeah, I agree and I'm with you on that I'm
shocked to the division. But they might be their cars
close to the chest right now. But that being said,
it could it could just as easily, like I was
starting to say, it could just as usually be some
fringe fanatic that you know, took the time to go
to the range, you know, to train and doesn't necessarily
have to be a professional, because I'll tell you, I'll
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tell you this. You know, you know, I have family
and friends in law enforcement and you know, and friends
that are involved in you know, competitive long range shooting.
So that that being said, you don't have to be
a professional today.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
There, Joe, I got fifty I got fifteen seconds left.
I know the points you're making.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I think the audience.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
Yeah, there are tools and methods and means out there
available that this could be accomplished.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
So that's all I say.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Sure enough, Joe, I got to run here to a
CBS News special report is always Thanks so much for calling,
But right now we're going to go to CBS News.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray, Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
All right, by the way, thanks very much, Dian Watkins.
Tomorrow night at nine o'clock, we're going to talk with
a member of our audience. Ron Gardette, who has a
very interesting story. He was involved with nine to eleven.
He was at the site in New York less than
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twenty four hours after the planes hit the buildings. He
was part of a medical team that had been sent
to various volunteer a team that volunteered for that he
volunteered for. They got some sort of payment, but they
were basically a rapid response team that He went to
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New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, went to Iran during an earthquake,
and also went to nine to eleven. And Tomorrow night
is the twenty fourth Well, Tomorrow's the twenty fourth anniversary
of nine eleven, twenty four years ago. Tonight, all those
people who were killed in the airplanes and at the Pentagon,
and of course firefighters and police officers and others in
New York, people worked in the in the World Trade
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Center twenty four years ago. Tonight, they were alive. They
were you know, going to bed, getting ready for travel
or getting ready just to go to work in the
next day. And realize didn't realize that there areas were
numbered and could happen to all of us, any of us,
and I think all of us should keep that in mind,
and certainly Charlie Kirk, I'm sure last night, at this
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time had no idea that today would be his last
day on earth. So I guess we all got to
keep that in mind as well, and not take any
day for granted, and not take our friends for granted either.
Theodore is in Baltimore Theatre next on Nightside, Welcome. If
Theodore is not ready, Rob will put Theodore on hold
(22:54):
and we will come back to Theodore. In the meantime,
we're going to go to Dan in Hooks at New Hampshire. Dan,
you were next on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Welcome, Hey, Dan, Elayah.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I'm fine, little shaken up as a result of what
we have all experienced today.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, I hear that.
Speaker 9 (23:13):
I just wanted to chime in real quick. I am
a avid shooter and hunter, and I wanted to get
some you know, clarification out there that you know, two
hundred yards is really not a long shot for really,
you know, anyone. I feel like, with you know, five
minutes of simple instruction, I could probably have somebody shooting
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confidently at one hundred yards, you know. To put furthermore
into perspective, I was citing in my ear rifle today
and I you know, my my typical group is about
an inch inch and a half at one hundred yards,
So you know, I think that very well it could
have been you know, somebody that was well trained. That's
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definitely a possibility. I think that you know, shot place
and in the neck was probably you know, not his
intended target. So I was I'm thinking he probably was
probably aiming at other places.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
So you think he probably is aiming at center mass
and the shot is off a little bit. But unlike
you know, President Trump who who was shot and was hit,
but he was hit in effect on his ear lobe.
If the truth be known, so let me ask you this,
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if if the average person, even somebody who had some training,
was gonna get on top of a building and take
that shot and then calmly and coolly walk away, So
the person I assume just disappeared into the crowd wasn't noticed.
(24:52):
There's no suggestion that a rifle has been has been found.
That evidence, I guess could be being held back. It
does say to you that this might be more than
just some person who had it in for you know,
Charlie Kirk, that there was that there was maybe a
political motivation and maybe a political motivation that that that
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funded a professional hit. I mean, that's a pretty clean job.
I can't think of another time when someone took a
shot of that magnitude and we didn't know who they
were within him two or three hours later, can you.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
I just I just think that if it was a
professional hit, they wouldn't have done it from two hundred yards.
They probably would have done it from much much farther.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Okay, so you're you're disagreeing with I guess. I guess
the figure that the New York Post is quoting is
six hundred and fifty feet, which is just a little
over two hundred yards.
Speaker 9 (25:50):
Yes, yeah, I just think that that's that's really, you know,
not a difficult shot to take. And like I said,
the other thing that kind of makes me think that
is is, you know, most people sight in at one
hundred yards and they deal with bullet drop farther than that,
which would put that bullet if they were aiming at
his head, in his neck. So that's kind of why
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I kind of leaned towards that.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Just one shot, you think you think that somebody again,
you know, I think if there were three or four
shots that were that were fired, I'd say, Okay, that's sloppy.
You don't buy it.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
I did it.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
Uh, coyote hunting at two hundred and fifty yards last year,
so it's it's really not as.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Hard and it just took it one shot every time.
Speaker 10 (26:46):
Yep.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
Yeah, what that particular coyote was?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yes, So how many coyotes just just one? One shot?
One coyote, one dead coyote?
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Okay, Well were you using what sort of what's sort
of a gun? What sort of a weapon.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
Oh, it's a it's just a cheap, cheap bolt action rifle,
so nothing, nothing spectacular. It was five hundred bucks plus
the skull, so I probably got six hundred bucks six
fifty into it.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Okay, Well, we'll see, we'll see how it turns out.
It just does it. Does it trouble you that somebody
could disappear in melting and not even be detected at
this point? Does that surprise you? I mean, that's a
pretty open area if you've looked at the gypography there.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
No.
Speaker 9 (27:34):
I mean, I think they'll find him, but it doesn't
surprise me that he, you know, disappeared temporarily. I can't
say where I work, but the security is pretty lax,
and it shouldn't be, especially at a school. It really
should not be.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Okay, all right, Dan, I appreciate it very much, appreciate
your call.
Speaker 9 (27:53):
Well, thanks for taking me.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
You bet you that a great night? Uh let me uh,
I'm I'm going to break quickly here a little early,
rob because I hope Theodore is back and I don't
want to short change Theodore, Joe or Dorothy in Alabama,
and it's now forty three and I don't want to
cut anybody to two minutes. Would be back on Nightside
right after that. We got a couple of lines for
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the first time tonight six one, seven, two, five, four
to ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
No guarantees, but I'll try to get you on coming
back on Nightside on the night that Charlie Kirk political activist,
conservative political activist was murdered and or assassinated, however you
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want to describe it. But there's no way that he
could have imagined that this was his last day on earth.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Back on Nightside, You're on night Side with Dan Ray.
I'm telling you BZ Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
All right, let's go. We're getting little tight on time.
I'm going to go to Theodore in Baltimore Theatre. I'm
glad you're there. Now, go right, a hitter.
Speaker 11 (28:58):
I'm listening to you, Dan, and you as usually when
these things happen, he's about the company line. We should
all get together. It's not gonna happen, Dan, it's not
gonna happen. They should look at the rhetoric of this guy,
and for the younger people. Nineteen seventy three, The Day
of the Jackal, you will see how a professional who
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is amoral and amoral comes dis close he had a
kiss to killing Charles de Gaulle. It's a great movie
called The Day of the Jackal. If you looked at
the rhetoric of mister Kirk and those who supported him
along with mister Trump.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
So the theater, you're not trying to You're trying to
justify this murder, and I'm not buying it. I really
want that.
Speaker 11 (29:48):
I'm not justifying a dance. But you never Well, it's
just like when you people talk about Trump, well people don't.
It's not that we don't like Trump, it's his policies
and his hate for rhetoric. That man in twenty nineteen,
supported by Kirk, said black people come from blank whole countries,
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and he's shown what he thinks about people like me,
So did mister Kirk.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
I am not just so again.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
You know we're going to go down to the same
road here theatre, so I'm going to do it quickly. Okay.
If that is true, that is your perspective. I can't
change your perspective. Okay. I did not take it that way.
I don't happen to be black, So therefore you you
have every right to take it differently than to take
that the context of that and the comment differently. I
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would never.
Speaker 11 (30:40):
Have you ever listened to him?
Speaker 12 (30:41):
You ever listened to him?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I've got he answered my question. Here's my question, Theodore.
There were more black men who voted for Donald Trump
in twenty twenty four, then voted for him in twenty twenty,
voted for him in twenty sixteen. There were more Hispanic
men who voted for Donald Trump in twenty.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
Two regretted to the day.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
The twenty four to twenty twenty. I don't know that
they regretted to the day. There are a lot I
look at all these demonstrations in Washington, the people who
were upset with what Trump is doing in making Washington
a little safer. There are a whole bunch of white people.
I didn't realize so many white people lived in Washington,
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d C.
Speaker 11 (31:22):
Theodore, Well, it's not like it used to be. But
I'm saying this, I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Wait, wait, is that just trust my issue? If you're right, Theodore,
why is it that all these other black men and
black women who are supporting him more now than ever before,
and by the way, more supporting a Republican more than
they supported George Bush or John McCain.
Speaker 11 (31:44):
Well, the term that you applied to those people of
my rice, most of them self deluded, and they got
a great degree of self hatred.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
And you can okay, Fine, that's fine, Okay, So so
you have an answer. I think that that is insulted
to those folks, but I'll allow them. I should put
you some night on and and and debate. Rashid, who
was on earlier tonight, happens to be a young black guy,
thirty years old. The first murder he witnessed in his
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life he was five years of age. You know, there
are different people racially who think differently. There were white
people who hate Donald Trump as much as you do.
Speaker 11 (32:25):
I don't hate Donald Trump. I'm a Christian who dislike him,
like his policies. Ill the man smiles in your face
and tell him and tells you're not worth anything. That's
his heart. That's the heart.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Good enough, all right, all right, Theodore, more time, next time.
But I got three behind you tonight, and I gotta
be fair to everybody.
Speaker 11 (32:47):
Okay, you let me let me know when the young
man comes on.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I put John with I put you on last week,
a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 11 (32:55):
Remember, I remember, you know so I always.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I just think that the point in Theodore is that
people of similar genders, similar sexual persuasions, of similar racial backgrounds,
of similar this similar that this difference is of opinion.
That's what's great.
Speaker 11 (33:14):
Come a point where they and a man got killed,
and what did you say, whack of doodles? You need
you a lawyer, You a lawyer. You need to go
into your vocabulary, which is I'm sure great and these
people are not crazy and whack a doodle.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
If no one what I've said Theodore, very simply so,
so no one has misled. I've said that there are
people on both ends of the political spectrum right winger extremists,
left wing extremists who are wack of doodles, who are
wack of doodles. And if you think that there's only
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wack of doodles in this country on.
Speaker 12 (33:48):
The far right, they look like and you, experienced lawyer,
you need to take whack a doodle out of your
vocabulary when you're speaking about something and the and.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
The you know, Theodore, my vocabulary is pretty good. And
I like Tom Menino, my friend, the former mayor of Boston,
used to refer them as knuckleheads. I kind of like
the word that whack of doodles. So if I'm if
I'm gonna be off on one, I'll be off on
that next time. More time, Thanks Theodore. We'll talk soon,
do you well, my friend? Okay, And what the heck
happened to your Baltimore Ravens on Monday night? I was
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rooting for them.
Speaker 11 (34:23):
They they they they look at and they hear too
much praise of them as being the great team.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
And yeah, yeah, we'll talk soon. Letta, go let it go, go,
gotta go for Theodore and Baltimorella and Dorothy and Alabama. Hey, Dorothy,
welcome back. I haven't heard from you in months.
Speaker 10 (34:42):
Go ahead, Dorothy, Yeah, you know his opinion is like
some of those on MSNBC. If you heard there was
a woman on their last name to her and she
wants to blame it on the right leg of people
for hate speech. Yeah, I mean, that's that's along those
lines urban they're asking for and that kind of the
kind of thing going on. You know when mine was
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running and a lot of people got shut down and
we're censored, you know, things like Facebook, I turned off
people and I did. I wasn't engaging that much. I was, yeah,
axed off of it. But you're talking about the uh
uh yeah about information. Uh, they're they're probably looking in
the more solf and maybe someone has video they're looking over.
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I did hear report that they were seeing someone running
the roofs some kind of movement or some sort yep,
I've seen that in the.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
New York Post. I just think that I'm just raising
it as a question, Dorothy. Could it be a professional
hit where somebody had the thing set up, fired the
one shot, knew when they fired that they were on target,
dropped the weapon, put the weapon somewhere out of the
way or whatever, and walked away.
Speaker 10 (35:50):
On wing the movies obviously, you know they were going
for a headshot and not a cook's guy. You know,
with Tromp, not all the information has come out about him.
You know, he had he had the foreign thanks out
of the country and that's not been released.
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Well, there's an article in the New York Times. It's
one of my other listeners reported to me. Just put
in Thomas Crook's profile in the New York Times. There's
more in that article that I think you'd be interested in,
to be honest with.
Speaker 10 (36:19):
You, Okay, yeah, and well you would say he was
a professional, but he did train. He went to a
local range where law enforcement and FBI went.
Speaker 12 (36:27):
Oh yeah, No.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
He was a strange kid though, he I mean, he
had some real serious issues. The New York Times did
a pretty good piece. I want to know more, but
it's the most in depth piece that I've read so far.
Simple as that, Hey, Dorothy, I got three behind you.
I'm gonna let you run here, but come on back
and call a little early. We need to chat a
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little bit more.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Okay, let's go through a minute.
Speaker 10 (36:52):
I'll call you guys. Born on the half about and
half the hour there in a whole little bit.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Well the problem is I'm trying to get everybody.
Speaker 10 (37:03):
Maybe if I hear you doing it like an open
line or something, or get in any night.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
You're welcome every night. Thanks Dorothy. We'll talk soon, all right,
Joe and Lynn, Joe, I got you in. I know
you called late, but you got to be quick for me.
Speaker 13 (37:15):
Joe, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
And this is a sad day. Both my prayers weren't answered.
Mister de Mulis and Charlie Clerk, they're both good people.
Because he called me the Mulis when I compliment his
people on Charlie Clerk got shot. Can you play that
last and I disagree with Joe. A lot of good
people don't go to church. You can hear mass on
the ring. Can you play that last clip where he
was answering questions and the incident happened. I can't find that.
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I'm not good on the internet, as you know.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
With me.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
They asked him some sort of a question, He picked
up the microphone, He sort of like touched his nose,
picked up the microphone, started to speak and that's when
the bullet hit.
Speaker 8 (37:53):
I think it was a direct, deliberate professional and I
hope they get this guy. I mean, you and I
don't agree on something, but people have, like Charlie says,
the right to disagree, and I'm disappointed with both people.
And I hope mister Demolis gets his job back.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
We'll talk about Arthur t tomorrow night. How's that? Okay?
Thanks Joe?
Speaker 8 (38:13):
Oh really okay, Kenny talk about him tonight.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
But this story took over.
Speaker 8 (38:17):
Thank you, my friend, and I hope you get that
debate going all.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Right, Thanks much. Thanks, touch to you soon. Okay, gonna
wrap it here, Phil in Boston.
Speaker 13 (38:25):
Phil, gotta be quick, hitting a lot of subjects. A
guy hit one shot. You can fold these guns up.
I guess I have I own the guy. You'll probably
fold them up, putting up change offense. The only thing
that might be able to help ustibly get this guy
is the guy to be a cameras. He just didn't
go into a park a lot. He couldn't disappear in
the crowd, but sometimes they can. They can mock them
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and line up and see whe they go. They're gotta
be a motorcycle outside or a car or some kind
of tensitation to get them out of this. The only
way that warmness. But that was unbelievable shot and that
kind of this. I'm just he must have sent a
mess but on what was almost like he got hit
in the same area as Trump did. I don't know
about any kind of I'm exaggerated, but I guess. But
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the bottom line is it's well Trump Trump was hitting
the right ear low.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
This guy was hitting the lower left quadrant of the Sad.
Speaker 13 (39:16):
Thing is I had already forgotten about the lady who's
are killing the subway. There's so many things happened.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
You got it, You got it, Phil. I love your
emotion and thank you for calling, but we're flat out
of time.
Speaker 13 (39:28):
I figured I gotta go very much.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Talk to you soon. All right, to the callers in
the line, you got a call early. We're done for
the night, Rob Brooks, great job tonight. Thanks to Karen Bussemi,
who produced the program. We had to make some of
late changes. We're back tomorrow night. We may get to this,
we may do RDT, and we may talk about Kamala
Harris's new book or his book book Just out the book,
(39:51):
Just out All Dogs, all cats, off, pets go to Heaven.
That's why Pal Charlie Rays, who passed fifteen years ago
in February. That's why all your pets are who had passed.
They loved you. You love that. I do believe you'll
see them again. Pruised for Charlie Kirk and his family. Tonight,
I'll be on Facebook nice with Dan Ray in just
a couple of moments
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