September 10, 2025 • 39 mins
Turning Point USA’s CEO and co-founder, Charlie Kirk, was fatally shot today during an outdoor event at Utah Valley University. Kirk was about 20 minutes into his presentation when a single shot rang out and hit him in the neck. President Donald Trump posted messages of sympathy on Truth Social. This was the first stop on Turning Point USA’s planned 14-city American Comeback Tour. Dan brought the very latest on this story.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Costin's new radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Or we're talking about the story of the day, and
that is the assassination, the murder of Charlie Kirk, a
conservative activist. Thirty one years of age. He founded a
group called Turning Point USA, which mobilized a lot of
young conservatives on college campuses, was integral in the election
of Donald Trump in twenty twenty four, thirty one years
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of age. There at this point is still no one
in custody. They have talked, I guess to a couple
of people who raised some concerns, as some suspicions, but
they were released. It looks to me like this might
be as close to a what I would call a
professional hit. I mean, somebody in a situation knew he
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was going to be there. They're in the right place,
two hundred yards away. They certainly I assume I'm no
longer maybe in Utah or certainly on the campus. This
has the earmarks of a professional hit, and I don't.
And that causes a lot of questions in my mind. Anyway,
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I'm looking. You know what the theme of this program is,
We got to tone it down. We need to rebuild
bridges with family members and with people friends or former
friends with whom we disagree and agree to do what
we'd try to do one night side, and then us
have conversations and talk about issues and respect one another
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even though you might disagree with their opinions. So, having
said that, let's go to Bernie in New Hampshire. Bernie,
you were next on nightside.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Welcome, Hey, thanks for taking my call there, prem Educations.
It's a very somber day. And I'm not a grammatic person.
I'm a melancholy person. I'm actually a passionate person and
I believe what I believe. And you know, to me,
I've always stood on the principle that I don't necessarily
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have to agree with what you say, but I will
defend your right to say it.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I mean. I know it's it's it's political, but what
it's you know, this country, this beautiful, great country that
we live in, was founded on the ideals of the
free exchange of ideas. I mean, you may, I may
not agree with people, but I listened to him and
I and I got the information from them, and and
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and then I disseminated, and I'll and I'll look it
up and I'll say, well, maybe he's right or maybe
he's wrong, And like yourself, I I go home at
night and I watch them in NBC enough to WHACKO Network,
and then I watch Box and then I watched I
watch them all because I want to get different points
of view, because you know what, if we can't just
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all get together and make this country great. And I
was maybe I'm an idealist. I don't know, I don't know.
I'm a I'm a passionate person, and I believe that
everyone should have their right to express their opinion with
the reason, within reason, Democrat, Republican, whatever you choose to be,
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and whatever you there's a reason that people choose to
be what they are. And you know, like I was,
I read a story the other day about this, uh,
this mentally old man down south. I forget what city
he was in. He was walking back and forth in
front of this war memorial and he was spitting on
the memorial and and and giving them give him the
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memorial to finger. To me, it was obviously mentally ill.
And these people got out of the car and they
attacked him. And then one guy went through this, you know,
the guy had a walking cane. He was disabled, and
he hit the guy with the cane, went and got
a gun and shot him as the police were on
their way. And you know, and and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
The guy who got out of the the guy who
was throw out.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
The guy that was spinning on the war memorial that
he was offended by this. And you know what, my
father at nineteen went to a pipeline and ended up
in Korea, and and it was it was not a
good time for him. He very rarely talked about it.
And and he he uh, he had service starts for
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his for his duty and and and I'm very proud
of that. And and my son is as you well know,
he's in the military. He went in at eighteen. And
I would be offended by that, by what what I
was watching that guy do. But you know what I
would I would be able to say, guys obviously mentally ill,
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I would maybe say something maybe not in uh, you know,
to say it was disrespectful. But you know, people just
carrying their points way too far, dine or a civilized
society in this country, and people have their right to
their opinion. Why can't we all understand.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
That, Well, there's a certain percentage of us that will
never understand that. But I think that if all of
us take the rhetoric down just a little bit, it
might prevent some person from going off again. I'm the
more I'm thinking about this today. If they haven't had
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a suspect here, could had this been a professional hit?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And I thought the same thing. I was talking to
a friend of mine on the way home from market
and I says, that was a kill shot. That was
not like, yeah, that was not burning Bernie moves in
his temper and put his baseball hat on backwards and
climbing to the top of a water towel and get lucky.
That was a kill shot.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, And literally I suspect that by time they moved
him off the stage, he probably was dead in reality. Yes,
And I don't know this is going to be one.
This one cannot go unsolved. There has to be away
if it was a professional hit. And as I say,
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I don't know how many run of the mill people
could have executed this if it has been as it
has been described to us, being two hundred yards away,
you got to have a big scope, you got to
have a really good weapon. You have to understand the wind.
You know, if the wind's blowing in one direction and
you don't calculate, someone in the front road dies and
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you missed the target. I'm just beginning to think that
I'm ruminating here, and I apologize. But if this ever
turns out to be a situation where they don't find
this person, then you got to think more and more
and more, because if it was like the kid in Butler, Pennsylvania,
he's up in the roof, he was dead, you know,
ten seconds after he pulled the trigger. He signed his
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own debts certificate. The guy down in Florida at the
golf course who went on trial, whose trials started today,
the jury selection started. He obviously wasn't all there, but
he's got a very interesting background that I would hope
sixty Minutes or one of the good investigative network television
shows who have the money and the ability to follow
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the trail wherever it leads. I want to know more
about that dude, Bernie, real quick, real quick.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I too also have for several of leanings, as you
may well know, but I am proud of the Democratic
and Republican response to this. I think that there's some
even head set of saying the right thing, and I'm
proud of them.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, there were people today on the Democratic side. I
read the comments Nancy Pelosi. I think you know former
President Biden. And again I know that a lot of
these folks have staff around them who craft these these statements.
President Obama. I saw a former President Obama had a statement.
I saw something from Ed Markey. I haven't seen anything
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yet from Elizabeth Warren. I'll try to during the break
see if there is a statement from Warren, and if
there is, I will I will read it so you
know when we come back from the break.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Okay, thank you for your time.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
Jed, goodnight.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
All right, Bernie, talk to you soon and say, how
do you sound for us? Gonna take a quick break,
Gonna come back. The only line opened six one seven.
I am coming back, and we're gonna go to PVTY
and talk with Christian and Peavity. Coming back on Night Side.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Just to try to show you a couple of differences.
This was the statement from President Obama today on the
murder of the assassination of Charlie kirk Uh. Former president
wrote on x we don't yet know what motivated the
person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but this kind
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of despicable violence has no place in our democracy. Well said. Conversely,
here's the comment from Elizabeth Warren. I promised my last
call on Bernie that if I could find it, I
would It's a very brief comment. She was asked about it.
This is Senator Warren today. Listen closely. This is just
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cong and my heart goes out to his family, to
his friends.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
But we just cannot be a country that turns to
violence when we disagree with people.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
We just can't.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And the video that I've seen she then walked away,
never mentioned Charlie Kirk's name, never mentioned his family. Has
talked about his family, but could have talked about mentioned
his name, the Kirk family, none of that. That's the difference,
subtle difference. But I say hats off to President Obama
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for being straightforward enough. I think that Lauren was a
little too cute as far as I'm concerned on that one.
Let's keep rolling. You're going to go to Christian Christian
you were next on nightside.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
Welcome, Welcome, and for the somber night. We're in the
middle of to Kurt's family AND's Kurt the voice that
was to build bridge.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
And the younger generation was recognizing that because he respected
each one he spoke with has been silenced. And but
what those who have interacted with him, I hope that
they can carry on what he was doing. And to
the people out there who have any kind of a
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mindset or heart, because they're so deep rooted in the
belief that they can check themselves or anybody around them
and sees them being different, not right to bring attention
to it, to get them help before an act which
takes out the foundation of what this country is built on,
because we need as a country, as an American to
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as a group as a whole, bring us to the
forefronts and pay attention to what surrounds us and solve
these issues before they become the act.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I tend to endorse that, Christian, and I appreciate the
thought that you put into that. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
You're welcome, Will said, Will said, thank.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You all right again. I just think that one of
the things, on a very practical level, is if you
have a friend with whom you disagree deeply politically, maybe
a friend you no longer talk to try to open
up a conversation with them. Now, you know, it might
not work, but then again it might. And I think
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that those who cannot engage in a conversation, they help
to weate an atmosphere around them which allows for this
sort of violence. We're all Americans. Let me go to
Josephina in brain. Josephina, welcome to Nightside. How are you?
Speaker 7 (12:12):
I am wonderful, Dan, how are you?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I'm fine, pretty sad tonight because I think our country,
you know, really absorbed a body blow today.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
I agree. I couldn't agree more. And you know it
comes on the night before nine to eleven, which is
even more upsetting and tragic. And as I have said before,
after World War Two, everybody came together and they shared soup,
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and they didn't care what anybody's political affiliation or or
religious affiliation. They shared because they were one. They were
a united community. We are United States.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
That's what we should be.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Yesterday was the breath of America. The you know, in
seventeen seventy six we became the United States. We need
to become a united country again and stop all this bs,
and stop opposing each other, and stop being offended guess what.
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No one is ever going to say you are right
about everything. We're always going to have our opinions, we
are always going to have our thoughts. But we are
United States. So stop being offended, stop parting each other,
stop hitting each other.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I wish a lot of people would hear you. I mean,
one of the things that then candidate Obama said, well
he was a senator in two thousand and four, that
we're not the the Red States of America, were not
the Blue States of America. We're the United States of America.
Which I thought that was a good way to frame it.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Now, he's a politician like everyone else, and he he
was tough, a tough and a good politician. But I
think at that moment in time, that was the best,
in my opinion, of Barack Obama. And I wish more
politicians would say that, you know, that's.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
And you know what and when you're you know, I
always wanted to go into the military. I didn't have
a chance. But when you're a faith for the guy
in your face. The first thing that people do, whether
they believe in God or not, or believe in their
mothers or not, they asked for their mothers and they
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ask the God, that's just the way it is, okay,
And we need to come back to the point of
humanity and stopp being so opposed to each other instead
being a little accepting. We're not always going to like
you to other. That's human nature.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah. But againpine is that is that the other person
who disagrees with you, they may have bad ideas, or
they may have ideas you disagree with, but that doesn't
make them a bad person.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Exactly. So exactly, we can we can talk.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
We can share that as well. It's today's today's a bad,
bad day. Uh. And I still want to know how
was this assassination completed and how was it effectuated. I'm
beginning to think the longer we go, someone should have
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seen this, unless they were professional, someone should have seen
this person leaving the school.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
Someone Well, Dan, you know what, you bring up the
best point. And I've called a million times, and I'm
a teacher. Every single time there is a shooting or
an awful thing that happens, there's always somebody to say, Hey,
that person said something weird, that person did this, and
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it's always a hit.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
And but this seems to be a lack of this
seems to be an absolute lack of curiosity amongst the
mainstream media. I mean there's a lot of the investigative programs,
you know, sixty minutes is my favorite. Why have they
not done a deep dive into this? The kid in
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Punk Butler, Pennsylvania who took a shot at President President Trump,
I'd love to.
Speaker 10 (16:40):
Know what the deal was.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
They had to know. He apparently was. He had a
a computer footprint. He was he was on computers a lot.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
I was dealing with.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
What was he discussing? Did he just wake up that
that Saturday morning and say, you know what, I've never
done anything kind of wild and crazy in my life,
and today, hey, uh you know, instead of uh, you know,
going down the mall and and and and try to
find a new friend, I'm going to take a pot
shot at thet at Donald Trump.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
I don't think that you're exactly right. Every single time
there's a shooting or something or a mass distruction, there's
always that person that says, oh, yeah, you know what,
that person said this, but blah blah blah blah blah.
And you know what the thing is, I'm a I
am a teacher, not a willingly teacher. Had a career
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before I was a teacher, but every time we need
to be better advocates. Teaching is not about reading, writing
and arithmetics, you know, it's about it's about understanding people
and learning who.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You're I think we're saying different things.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
You know, the kids that shoot her by freaking freshman year, I.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Think we're saying different things. I think that you're right
that sometimes the person will say, oh, well, he was
a wonderful person. He waved at us every day, and
you find out that he just shot, you know, up
three families or something. No, what I'm saying is I
want the media to find out every last thing we
can find out about who if someone is arrested for this.
I want to know everything that we don't know now
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about the shooter in Butler, Pennsylvania. I want to know
everything we don't know now about the guy who went
on trial today who is going to kill Trump on
the allegedly on the golf course. But your points are
just as valid as mine. Look, let me, I got
to take a break because I have a CBS new
special report coming down. Thanks for calling, don't be a stranger, Okay,
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thank you, back at you. Thanks Josephina.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Back to the phones. Let's go next to Kathy and Lunenburg. Kathy,
you're next on Nightsager.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Right ahead, you know, thinking about what happened today and
thinking about the media's role in where we are now
and going back even as much as twenty years when
I think about you know, uh, unitil and all the
press coverage and all of that sort of thing, the
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way things are covered nowadays. And I think Charlie Kirk
actually made a good point. He did a recording this
morning which I actually put on my Facebook wall about
the killing of that girl in North Carolina, and which
was very tragic onto itself.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
And so unnecessary, so unnecessary, just going down in North Carolina,
career criminal, uh right in in one door, out the other,
in one door, of the other, crazy insane, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah, And you know I only saw like a quick
clip and they actually showed the guy and showed her,
and I thought that was horrific. And you know, we
wouldn't have seen even that. It's like everything is built around,
you know, the drama and the National Inquirer kind of aspect.
I don't know it's just well.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Well, I'm going to take the other start of the
argument there. This guy got up for no reason at
all and stabbed this young woman from Ukraine, right, And
I think that what happens. I remember when George Floyd
was murdered and we saw the the eleven minutes that
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the police officer, right coward put as Floyd was was,
you know, telling I can't breathe, I can't breathe, and
they literally killed him. And then the cop got up
and kind of preamed around like he had done some
sort of heroic thing. I think oftentimes we have protected
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people from seeing the I and I think that that
maybe the media needs to start saying, okay, you know,
it's one thing. I remember when when the guy in
New York, the marine killed the guy on the on
the subway in New York. They had pictures of him strangling,
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you know, with his arm, you know, around the guy's neck. Right,
Why stop the video? Why not show what happened to
this girl? I mean, she was hacked to death, that's
you know.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
And I think it was just he just thinks you're
just too brutal, you know. I think this should be
a per.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Make to wake up and realize that, hey, this is
the consequence of bad decisions. You know, judges who who
who don't charge bail? Judges who who give people one, two, three, eight, ten, twelve,
twenty breaks and by time the twenty first break, someone's dead.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah, to your point, you know, I agree. I mean
with the purpose of being you know, learned from this
and but I mean some things are just driven by
the way the media wants to present things and the
narratives that are built too, so, you know, depending upon
what it is. But I've seen a real change in
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that over the years, and particularly of course since President
Trump had been in office. And you know, it's just
amazing to me that we just get tidbits on some
stories that I'm just so I want to know more.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Who was the kid in Butler, Pennsylvania? I want to
know everything else. I think that the golf course guy,
what how did he get to you you know how
difficult it must be to get to Ukraine? How did
he get to Hawaii? He didn't have a job. He worked,
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you know, as a as a mason or as electrician.
He was unemployed to travel the world. Where was his
money coming from? I know it'd be interesting. You would
think that the media might be interested in doing something
like that.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I think no, I agree, And you know, I think,
on this Charlie Kirk situation, what you said earlier in
the other collar, I think you're spot both spot on
the fact that the way they have not caught anybody yet,
the way this was like a completely open forum, you know,
for someone to go at him, It just, you know,
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it just seems I.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Want to know. I want to know when it was
announced that this guy was going to be at this
college in Utah, how's lead time was there. I suspect
I would hope that it would. I'm beginning to think
it might have been a professional hit only because the
average person contake cannot take it an M sixteen or
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an AK forty seven and hit a target that precisely with.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
One right right and knowing just where to hit him right,
probably in the karated dottery.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
So that Yeah, all right, Kathy, thank you so much.
You're got to be come by more often. Okay, I
miss talking to you. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Yep, we'll do thanks all right.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Let me go. Next up is Matt. Matt, go right ahead,
your thoughts.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
Look, today is a national tragedy. I'm enraged for many reasons.
I'm enraged because Charlie Kirk was somebody who spoke for
the people that I think and agree with. But we
are in a constitution and a democracy here, Life, liberty,
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and the pursuit of happiness. Life is the first word
that comes in that sense. And when we have six
police officers in his own private security amongst the biggest
university in Utah, there's a problem. I may agree with you.
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There may have been a professional instituted action done. There's
some things that seem odd to me, I will say,
and then I'm with you. But Elizabeth Warren, I don't
like her. She did say Charlie Kirk's name. Oh she did,
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Actually she said, I am sending my prayers to the
Charlie Kirk family.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Well, okay, thank you for that. No, thank you for
that correction that I welcome that I went because the
other caller had asked about that, and I said, let
me see if she said something. I found that she
did say something, But what was fed I you know,
it was just fifteen seconds and.
Speaker 8 (25:49):
So right, very quick, verry the name.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Then then I stand corrected, and I thank you for correcting.
Speaker 10 (25:55):
Me, and I'm not trying to stand you up or
anything like that.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Absolutely not. I want to be right. I want to
be correct when I'm reporting something. Factually, if I'm reporting
my point of view, you know, it might be right,
it might be wrong. Take it for what it is.
But if she did mention Kirk's name, I want to
give her credit for that, and I stand corrected.
Speaker 10 (26:18):
But ultimately my point is I am angry because this
is more of a division of our democracy in this country.
I am conservative as it gets. Charlie Kirk was exactly
my age. I am probably one year older than him,
and I see this as a horrible assassination that his
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children and his wife have to say that it was publicized,
and it makes me hurt. It makes me angry as
an American and somebody who wants to see this country
be able to understand difference but not have to poppy
each other or one ind poppy each other because of division.
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And that's what I'm seeing continuously.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
All Right, I appreciate your called, Thank you much, appreciate it.
We've got to take get one more in here before
the break. Thanks Matt, who's up next? Here? I'm trying
to move people just a little bit more quickly, is
this Susan in Cambridge? You have it written here? Is
that correct? Rob Susan and Cambridge Susan? Go right ahead, Hey.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
Dan, I'm horrified by this, obviously, and still hoping that,
you know, maybe it's just somebody looking to be famous
and it's not actually a political hit. But probably not.
I would like to wait on, you know, trying to
you know, speculate that it's somehow professional. I mean, he's
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not a president, he doesn't have the you know, they're
not going to do he doesn't have secret service. He's
not going to do the sweets.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
You know that, of course.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah, I mean maybe if he had his own security people,
I don't think that they would have thought that he
would have been killed. But my question when I say
that a professional hit, what I'm saying is somebody might
have wanted him gone. I mean, somebody to pop him
from two hundred yards and to hit that spot on
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his neck.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
Well, i mean, look at how close the guy came,
you know, in in Butler, Pennsylvania, and he was not
he was fairly new to learning how to shoot, so
he was a lot closer.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It's possible if the if if the distances that they
when they said two hundred yards, that's six hundred feet.
That's too. That's too Jillette Stadium, football fields. That's all
I'm saying. And you may find out that you just
had a lucky shot. But I sure want to know
everything about if there is someone charged and shown, he
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preserves deserves the presumption of innocence. But if there is
someone the fact that the guy was able to get
the shot off and get away, that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
Well if he was that far away and they don't
have a security perimeter, then you know.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I mean, but in any event, but you would think,
I don't know, we're in speculation in there. So I'll
just let that go go ahead.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
I'm sorry your prior caller. Yes, Elizabeth Warren did actually
say I am praying for Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
This is before he passed.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Great. Well, that's that's good to hear the bite that
I found quickly. I did have no reference, and I
commend her then for doing that. I stand corrected. This
is one talk show in America. When the host makes
a mistake, he will admit to it.
Speaker 9 (29:51):
OK, right now.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
The New York Times actually did about a month ago,
a very deep dive on Thomas the kid in Pennsylvania.
You might want to read it. It's I think it
was called like the Quiet Unraveling of blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
So they did.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
It was a very lengthy In fact, I don't know
that I even finished all of it. It was it
was quite long.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Okay, Well, you might want to read that that I would.
I would hope that if it was. His last name
is Crooks, right, Crooks correct?
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Correct?
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, I'm trying to find that, uh Crooks New York Times.
I will print that and I will read that, if
not later tonight. I have it here is June Night,
The Quiet Unraveling of the Man who almost killed Trump.
I'll be interested. And if they did, I'll give him
credit for it and I'll talk about it tomorrow. When
I everything that I had seen, it seemed to be
(30:43):
very sketchy, like this was a weird kid. He was
in They had something he was seeing in some sort
of like some sort of advert advertisement TV advertisement. But anyway, look,
thank you for that suggestion.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
And last thing, I just want to say that you
know I am I got to say I'm a bit
disheartened hearing from some of your more conservative callers like
Rasheed and Tom and just saying you know, the left
rhetoric is out of control, and well, I doesn't give
me much hope. I appreciate your your efforts, but it
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doesn't give me much hope that we can on both sides,
you know, condemn this, condemn the violence.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
No, I'm with you, but but I just want you
to know that in both of those cases I was
quick to call them up on it, and I think, actually,
thank you for that. I think that Tom, well, it's
my job. I think that Tom recognized when he said no,
none of the Democrats. I said yes, President Obama. I
read President Obama's statement, Nancy Pelosi, and there were several
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others who I read today and and that's a good sign.
That's that's hopeful. I just think, you know my position.
There were wack of doodles in the far right, and
there were whack of doodles in the far left. And
it's up for me. I have my responsibility as a
conservative to be as critical, if not more critical of
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the whack of doodles in the right. Easy for people
on my side of the spectrum to criticize the whack
of doodles on the left. Easy for you to criticize
the wack of doodles on the right. I want you
to be equally active and if criticizing well, the wack
of doodles on your side.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
To that point, I would simply ask, you know, Tom
and Rashid, like, you know, I'm listening to the show often.
As you know, I probably disagree with you on politics
about ninety percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Right, I'm surprised it's that little go ahead and.
Speaker 8 (32:48):
With many of your callers, But I'm like, yeah, I'm
doing my due diligence. I'm listening to other people. What
are Rashid and Tom doing? I would ask that of them.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
That's you know that there Next time they call, they
can they make him? They could answer that, Susan, I
do have to run here because I took you too early.
I didn't watch you have a way through the breaks,
but we did and on tonight. That's that's that's a
pretty good run tonight. We'll do more next time. Thanks.
Susan talks right back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You're on Night Side with Dan Rayson's news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
All right, let's go, We're gonna go to Will and
Long Island will next on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Go ahead, man, I'm very, very hurt. This is like
a significant you know, for a lot of Americans. But
I'm like that generation in between yours and his generation X.
I was glad to see people like him, like Ben Shapiro,
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like Matt Walsh reignite the I don't even want to
call them conservative values for him, some of them it's
Christian conservative all so, but just libertarian, constitutional, individual, civil
liberty values, okay. And they were bringing to the college
campuses this open dialogue, which college professors and I used
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to They're not used to being challenged. How often do
you see people go to debate people like Charlie Kirker,
Ben Shapiro, and I'm talking about people in your industry,
professionals that are supposed to be the pundits of politics.
How often do you see these people want to debate them.
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You don't see it very often from the left. They
like to hide in their little world. I also have
to challenge a little bit the rhetoric coming from both sides.
I don't necessarily agree with that. And Obama's words, as
nice as they may be, his actions are proven way different.
I'm old enough to see the change in this country
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and the political disc course over the past since Obama
has been president and afterward. I'm old enough to see
the change in some of the people that were brought
here that are chanting death to America on our campuses
when they used to be doing it over there. And
I know who's responsible for it, and so do you. Okay,
I'm old enough to understand what his political ideology was
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when he was elected. I didn't vote in that election
because the other guy was no better, John mccainnon was
the only election I didn't vote in. But to be
honest with you, I.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Always think that's a mistake. I think that if you
sometimes you know, again, that's a personal thing. Look, what
I'm trying to do tonight, will is not go down
the laundry list of comments. I'm sure you have a
longer list that you'd like to lit.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
We don't.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
We don't have to go through a laundry list of comments.
I think it's just a little bit un guus there
was some crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
What I'm trying to say is whoever's going to call
up and the the point what I'm trying to tell
people tonight is that the rhetoric on both sides has
to calm down. I mean, Marjorie Taylor Green rhetoric there.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
A pew, he had a lot of in common with you.
You know, he actually, Charlie Kirk actually had a lot
in common with you, not necessarily in his views per se,
but in his socratic method that you use that you know,
I'm not really one of those.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I'm more of a.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Believe in humiliating your opponents so the other people can
see that they're they're ideology is wrong.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I think that the Socratic method and basically you ask
people questions, and that's what I tried, That's what I
try to do. I'm I'm probably not as smart as
Charlie Kirk was, but I've been around a long time.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
You're very smart, and so was he. And it's a sin,
it really is. It's almost enough to make me cry
to see someone.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Like this.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Taken out of the world because people don't like what
he has to say. And to be honest, the things
that he had to say, what did he really have
to say that was so offensive to people?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
And you know, well they may have not only disliked
what he had to say, they might have disliked the
way in which he said it. And what I'm trying
to do by.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Inviting you to come up and challenge him, by inviting
you to come up and speak to him, by by
asking you to openly debate him and affair and open setting. Okay, Yeah,
that's what we need to return to. Dan. Everybody says
we need to return to civility. I'm not sure this
country ever had it. I mean, they used to have
duels on the lawn when they with each other.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I do, and and they were there were fights on
the Senate floor, and there were senators who took canes
to other sensitors. Get all of that. I'm just saying
that if we could take you know, he's no longer
with us tonight.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Okay, calling him, calling him at I want.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
To know tonight who pulled that trigger and what was
what was their background? That's what I wanted.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
I think all of America is with you on that,
even the other side. I think everybody wants to know
what happened here. But I gotta be honest, if if
if you're talking about the political rhetoric, you know, when
you call someone a Nazi, someone who supports Israel by
the way when you call Donald Trump a nazi, when
you use the word fascist, and then you turn around
and say, oh, well, I pray for him. You know
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what stands if you want to ifan never wants to
have me on talking, but.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Will, you're basically taking what I'm trying to do tonight.
And you know I'm not going to jump on Bob
with you and say, yeah, it's the lefties.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
I'm not saying you have to in.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Our side who's crazy. There are people on both sides
that are crazy. That's all I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
I'm not saying I have to do that. But I
did hear a last caller that wants to ask questions
about us and ask, you know, where we get our
information from and what are the sources we listen to
if you like.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
The point she made was that if anybody sits in
front of Fox or MSNBC to the exclusion of everything
else the view, you got to have a balanced die.
That's all. Hey, Will, I took you. We did six. Uh,
it's a long six on a night like tonight. I'm
sorry that we've ended up in so much debate. We'll
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have more.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
We don't have to apologize you knew where I was
taking you, and I understand. Thanks for the time.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Then all right talking about here comes the eleven one line,
six one, seven thirty coming right back. Let's finish as
strong as we've been for the last two hours. We'll
be back on Night's side. Let us hope we can.
We can make people think tonight
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Costin's new radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Or we're talking about the story of the day, and
that is the assassination, the murder of Charlie Kirk, a
conservative activist. Thirty one years of age. He founded a
group called Turning Point USA, which mobilized a lot of
young conservatives on college campuses, was integral in the election
of Donald Trump in twenty twenty four, thirty one years
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of age. There at this point is still no one
in custody. They have talked, I guess to a couple
of people who raised some concerns, as some suspicions, but
they were released. It looks to me like this might
be as close to a what I would call a
professional hit. I mean, somebody in a situation knew he
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was going to be there. They're in the right place,
two hundred yards away. They certainly I assume I'm no
longer maybe in Utah or certainly on the campus. This
has the earmarks of a professional hit, and I don't.
And that causes a lot of questions in my mind. Anyway,
(01:12):
I'm looking. You know what the theme of this program is,
We got to tone it down. We need to rebuild
bridges with family members and with people friends or former
friends with whom we disagree and agree to do what
we'd try to do one night side, and then us
have conversations and talk about issues and respect one another
(01:34):
even though you might disagree with their opinions. So, having
said that, let's go to Bernie in New Hampshire. Bernie,
you were next on nightside.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Welcome, Hey, thanks for taking my call there, prem Educations.
It's a very somber day. And I'm not a grammatic person.
I'm a melancholy person. I'm actually a passionate person and
I believe what I believe. And you know, to me,
I've always stood on the principle that I don't necessarily
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have to agree with what you say, but I will
defend your right to say it.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I mean. I know it's it's it's political, but what
it's you know, this country, this beautiful, great country that
we live in, was founded on the ideals of the
free exchange of ideas. I mean, you may, I may
not agree with people, but I listened to him and
I and I got the information from them, and and
(02:35):
and then I disseminated, and I'll and I'll look it
up and I'll say, well, maybe he's right or maybe
he's wrong, And like yourself, I I go home at
night and I watch them in NBC enough to WHACKO Network,
and then I watch Box and then I watched I
watch them all because I want to get different points
of view, because you know what, if we can't just
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all get together and make this country great. And I
was maybe I'm an idealist. I don't know, I don't know.
I'm a I'm a passionate person, and I believe that
everyone should have their right to express their opinion with
the reason, within reason, Democrat, Republican, whatever you choose to be,
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and whatever you there's a reason that people choose to
be what they are. And you know, like I was,
I read a story the other day about this, uh,
this mentally old man down south. I forget what city
he was in. He was walking back and forth in
front of this war memorial and he was spitting on
the memorial and and and giving them give him the
(03:38):
memorial to finger. To me, it was obviously mentally ill.
And these people got out of the car and they
attacked him. And then one guy went through this, you know,
the guy had a walking cane. He was disabled, and
he hit the guy with the cane, went and got
a gun and shot him as the police were on
their way. And you know, and and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
The guy who got out of the the guy who
was throw out.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
The guy that was spinning on the war memorial that
he was offended by this. And you know what, my
father at nineteen went to a pipeline and ended up
in Korea, and and it was it was not a
good time for him. He very rarely talked about it.
And and he he uh, he had service starts for
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his for his duty and and and I'm very proud
of that. And and my son is as you well know,
he's in the military. He went in at eighteen. And
I would be offended by that, by what what I
was watching that guy do. But you know what I
would I would be able to say, guys obviously mentally ill,
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I would maybe say something maybe not in uh, you know,
to say it was disrespectful. But you know, people just
carrying their points way too far, dine or a civilized
society in this country, and people have their right to
their opinion. Why can't we all understand.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
That, Well, there's a certain percentage of us that will
never understand that. But I think that if all of
us take the rhetoric down just a little bit, it
might prevent some person from going off again. I'm the
more I'm thinking about this today. If they haven't had
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a suspect here, could had this been a professional hit?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And I thought the same thing. I was talking to
a friend of mine on the way home from market
and I says, that was a kill shot. That was
not like, yeah, that was not burning Bernie moves in
his temper and put his baseball hat on backwards and
climbing to the top of a water towel and get lucky.
That was a kill shot.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, And literally I suspect that by time they moved
him off the stage, he probably was dead in reality. Yes,
And I don't know this is going to be one.
This one cannot go unsolved. There has to be away
if it was a professional hit. And as I say,
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I don't know how many run of the mill people
could have executed this if it has been as it
has been described to us, being two hundred yards away,
you got to have a big scope, you got to
have a really good weapon. You have to understand the wind.
You know, if the wind's blowing in one direction and
you don't calculate, someone in the front road dies and
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you missed the target. I'm just beginning to think that
I'm ruminating here, and I apologize. But if this ever
turns out to be a situation where they don't find
this person, then you got to think more and more
and more, because if it was like the kid in Butler, Pennsylvania,
he's up in the roof, he was dead, you know,
ten seconds after he pulled the trigger. He signed his
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own debts certificate. The guy down in Florida at the
golf course who went on trial, whose trials started today,
the jury selection started. He obviously wasn't all there, but
he's got a very interesting background that I would hope
sixty Minutes or one of the good investigative network television
shows who have the money and the ability to follow
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the trail wherever it leads. I want to know more
about that dude, Bernie, real quick, real quick.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
I too also have for several of leanings, as you
may well know, but I am proud of the Democratic
and Republican response to this. I think that there's some
even head set of saying the right thing, and I'm
proud of them.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, there were people today on the Democratic side. I
read the comments Nancy Pelosi. I think you know former
President Biden. And again I know that a lot of
these folks have staff around them who craft these these statements.
President Obama. I saw a former President Obama had a statement.
I saw something from Ed Markey. I haven't seen anything
(08:06):
yet from Elizabeth Warren. I'll try to during the break
see if there is a statement from Warren, and if
there is, I will I will read it so you
know when we come back from the break.
Speaker 6 (08:18):
Okay, thank you for your time.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
Jed, goodnight.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
All right, Bernie, talk to you soon and say, how
do you sound for us? Gonna take a quick break,
Gonna come back. The only line opened six one seven.
I am coming back, and we're gonna go to PVTY
and talk with Christian and Peavity. Coming back on Night Side.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Just to try to show you a couple of differences.
This was the statement from President Obama today on the
murder of the assassination of Charlie kirk Uh. Former president
wrote on x we don't yet know what motivated the
person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but this kind
(09:05):
of despicable violence has no place in our democracy. Well said. Conversely,
here's the comment from Elizabeth Warren. I promised my last
call on Bernie that if I could find it, I
would It's a very brief comment. She was asked about it.
This is Senator Warren today. Listen closely. This is just
(09:26):
cong and my heart goes out to his family, to
his friends.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
But we just cannot be a country that turns to
violence when we disagree with people.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
We just can't.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And the video that I've seen she then walked away,
never mentioned Charlie Kirk's name, never mentioned his family. Has
talked about his family, but could have talked about mentioned
his name, the Kirk family, none of that. That's the difference,
subtle difference. But I say hats off to President Obama
(10:01):
for being straightforward enough. I think that Lauren was a
little too cute as far as I'm concerned on that one.
Let's keep rolling. You're going to go to Christian Christian
you were next on nightside.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
Welcome, Welcome, and for the somber night. We're in the
middle of to Kurt's family AND's Kurt the voice that
was to build bridge.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
And the younger generation was recognizing that because he respected
each one he spoke with has been silenced. And but
what those who have interacted with him, I hope that
they can carry on what he was doing. And to
the people out there who have any kind of a
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mindset or heart, because they're so deep rooted in the
belief that they can check themselves or anybody around them
and sees them being different, not right to bring attention
to it, to get them help before an act which
takes out the foundation of what this country is built on,
because we need as a country, as an American to
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as a group as a whole, bring us to the
forefronts and pay attention to what surrounds us and solve
these issues before they become the act.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I tend to endorse that, Christian, and I appreciate the
thought that you put into that. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
You're welcome, Will said, Will said, thank.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You all right again. I just think that one of
the things, on a very practical level, is if you
have a friend with whom you disagree deeply politically, maybe
a friend you no longer talk to try to open
up a conversation with them. Now, you know, it might
not work, but then again it might. And I think
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that those who cannot engage in a conversation, they help
to weate an atmosphere around them which allows for this
sort of violence. We're all Americans. Let me go to
Josephina in brain. Josephina, welcome to Nightside. How are you?
Speaker 7 (12:12):
I am wonderful, Dan, how are you?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I'm fine, pretty sad tonight because I think our country,
you know, really absorbed a body blow today.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
I agree. I couldn't agree more. And you know it
comes on the night before nine to eleven, which is
even more upsetting and tragic. And as I have said before,
after World War Two, everybody came together and they shared soup,
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and they didn't care what anybody's political affiliation or or
religious affiliation. They shared because they were one. They were
a united community. We are United States.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
That's what we should be.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Yesterday was the breath of America. The you know, in
seventeen seventy six we became the United States. We need
to become a united country again and stop all this bs,
and stop opposing each other, and stop being offended guess what.
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No one is ever going to say you are right
about everything. We're always going to have our opinions, we
are always going to have our thoughts. But we are
United States. So stop being offended, stop parting each other,
stop hitting each other.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I wish a lot of people would hear you. I mean,
one of the things that then candidate Obama said, well
he was a senator in two thousand and four, that
we're not the the Red States of America, were not
the Blue States of America. We're the United States of America.
Which I thought that was a good way to frame it.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Now, he's a politician like everyone else, and he he
was tough, a tough and a good politician. But I
think at that moment in time, that was the best,
in my opinion, of Barack Obama. And I wish more
politicians would say that, you know, that's.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
And you know what and when you're you know, I
always wanted to go into the military. I didn't have
a chance. But when you're a faith for the guy
in your face. The first thing that people do, whether
they believe in God or not, or believe in their
mothers or not, they asked for their mothers and they
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ask the God, that's just the way it is, okay,
And we need to come back to the point of
humanity and stopp being so opposed to each other instead
being a little accepting. We're not always going to like
you to other. That's human nature.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah. But againpine is that is that the other person
who disagrees with you, they may have bad ideas, or
they may have ideas you disagree with, but that doesn't
make them a bad person.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Exactly. So exactly, we can we can talk.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
We can share that as well. It's today's today's a bad,
bad day. Uh. And I still want to know how
was this assassination completed and how was it effectuated. I'm
beginning to think the longer we go, someone should have
(15:43):
seen this, unless they were professional, someone should have seen
this person leaving the school.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
Someone Well, Dan, you know what, you bring up the
best point. And I've called a million times, and I'm
a teacher. Every single time there is a shooting or
an awful thing that happens, there's always somebody to say, Hey,
that person said something weird, that person did this, and
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it's always a hit.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
And but this seems to be a lack of this
seems to be an absolute lack of curiosity amongst the
mainstream media. I mean there's a lot of the investigative programs,
you know, sixty minutes is my favorite. Why have they
not done a deep dive into this? The kid in
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Punk Butler, Pennsylvania who took a shot at President President Trump,
I'd love to.
Speaker 10 (16:40):
Know what the deal was.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
They had to know. He apparently was. He had a
a computer footprint. He was he was on computers a lot.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
I was dealing with.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
What was he discussing? Did he just wake up that
that Saturday morning and say, you know what, I've never
done anything kind of wild and crazy in my life,
and today, hey, uh you know, instead of uh, you know,
going down the mall and and and and try to
find a new friend, I'm going to take a pot
shot at thet at Donald Trump.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
I don't think that you're exactly right. Every single time
there's a shooting or something or a mass distruction, there's
always that person that says, oh, yeah, you know what,
that person said this, but blah blah blah blah blah.
And you know what the thing is, I'm a I
am a teacher, not a willingly teacher. Had a career
(17:32):
before I was a teacher, but every time we need
to be better advocates. Teaching is not about reading, writing
and arithmetics, you know, it's about it's about understanding people
and learning who.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You're I think we're saying different things.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
You know, the kids that shoot her by freaking freshman year, I.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Think we're saying different things. I think that you're right
that sometimes the person will say, oh, well, he was
a wonderful person. He waved at us every day, and
you find out that he just shot, you know, up
three families or something. No, what I'm saying is I
want the media to find out every last thing we
can find out about who if someone is arrested for this.
I want to know everything that we don't know now
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about the shooter in Butler, Pennsylvania. I want to know
everything we don't know now about the guy who went
on trial today who is going to kill Trump on
the allegedly on the golf course. But your points are
just as valid as mine. Look, let me, I got
to take a break because I have a CBS new
special report coming down. Thanks for calling, don't be a stranger, Okay,
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thank you, back at you. Thanks Josephina.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Back to the phones. Let's go next to Kathy and Lunenburg. Kathy,
you're next on Nightsager.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Right ahead, you know, thinking about what happened today and
thinking about the media's role in where we are now
and going back even as much as twenty years when
I think about you know, uh, unitil and all the
press coverage and all of that sort of thing, the
(19:20):
way things are covered nowadays. And I think Charlie Kirk
actually made a good point. He did a recording this
morning which I actually put on my Facebook wall about
the killing of that girl in North Carolina, and which
was very tragic onto itself.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
And so unnecessary, so unnecessary, just going down in North Carolina,
career criminal, uh right in in one door, out the other,
in one door, of the other, crazy insane, you know.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah, And you know I only saw like a quick
clip and they actually showed the guy and showed her,
and I thought that was horrific. And you know, we
wouldn't have seen even that. It's like everything is built around,
you know, the drama and the National Inquirer kind of aspect.
I don't know it's just well.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Well, I'm going to take the other start of the
argument there. This guy got up for no reason at
all and stabbed this young woman from Ukraine, right, And
I think that what happens. I remember when George Floyd
was murdered and we saw the the eleven minutes that
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the police officer, right coward put as Floyd was was,
you know, telling I can't breathe, I can't breathe, and
they literally killed him. And then the cop got up
and kind of preamed around like he had done some
sort of heroic thing. I think oftentimes we have protected
(20:57):
people from seeing the I and I think that that
maybe the media needs to start saying, okay, you know,
it's one thing. I remember when when the guy in
New York, the marine killed the guy on the on
the subway in New York. They had pictures of him strangling,
(21:19):
you know, with his arm, you know, around the guy's neck. Right,
Why stop the video? Why not show what happened to
this girl? I mean, she was hacked to death, that's
you know.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
And I think it was just he just thinks you're
just too brutal, you know. I think this should be
a per.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Make to wake up and realize that, hey, this is
the consequence of bad decisions. You know, judges who who
who don't charge bail? Judges who who give people one, two, three, eight, ten, twelve,
twenty breaks and by time the twenty first break, someone's dead.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah, to your point, you know, I agree. I mean
with the purpose of being you know, learned from this
and but I mean some things are just driven by
the way the media wants to present things and the
narratives that are built too, so, you know, depending upon
what it is. But I've seen a real change in
(22:17):
that over the years, and particularly of course since President
Trump had been in office. And you know, it's just
amazing to me that we just get tidbits on some
stories that I'm just so I want to know more.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Who was the kid in Butler, Pennsylvania? I want to
know everything else. I think that the golf course guy,
what how did he get to you you know how
difficult it must be to get to Ukraine? How did
he get to Hawaii? He didn't have a job. He worked,
(22:54):
you know, as a as a mason or as electrician.
He was unemployed to travel the world. Where was his
money coming from? I know it'd be interesting. You would
think that the media might be interested in doing something
like that.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
I think no, I agree, And you know, I think,
on this Charlie Kirk situation, what you said earlier in
the other collar, I think you're spot both spot on
the fact that the way they have not caught anybody yet,
the way this was like a completely open forum, you know,
for someone to go at him, It just, you know,
(23:31):
it just seems I.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Want to know. I want to know when it was
announced that this guy was going to be at this
college in Utah, how's lead time was there. I suspect
I would hope that it would. I'm beginning to think
it might have been a professional hit only because the
average person contake cannot take it an M sixteen or
(23:55):
an AK forty seven and hit a target that precisely with.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
One right right and knowing just where to hit him right,
probably in the karated dottery.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
So that Yeah, all right, Kathy, thank you so much.
You're got to be come by more often. Okay, I
miss talking to you. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Yep, we'll do thanks all right.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Let me go. Next up is Matt. Matt, go right ahead,
your thoughts.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
Look, today is a national tragedy. I'm enraged for many reasons.
I'm enraged because Charlie Kirk was somebody who spoke for
the people that I think and agree with. But we
are in a constitution and a democracy here, Life, liberty,
(24:45):
and the pursuit of happiness. Life is the first word
that comes in that sense. And when we have six
police officers in his own private security amongst the biggest
university in Utah, there's a problem. I may agree with you.
(25:05):
There may have been a professional instituted action done. There's
some things that seem odd to me, I will say,
and then I'm with you. But Elizabeth Warren, I don't
like her. She did say Charlie Kirk's name. Oh she did,
(25:26):
Actually she said, I am sending my prayers to the
Charlie Kirk family.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Well, okay, thank you for that. No, thank you for
that correction that I welcome that I went because the
other caller had asked about that, and I said, let
me see if she said something. I found that she
did say something, But what was fed I you know,
it was just fifteen seconds and.
Speaker 8 (25:49):
So right, very quick, verry the name.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Then then I stand corrected, and I thank you for correcting.
Speaker 10 (25:55):
Me, and I'm not trying to stand you up or
anything like that.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Absolutely not. I want to be right. I want to
be correct when I'm reporting something. Factually, if I'm reporting
my point of view, you know, it might be right,
it might be wrong. Take it for what it is.
But if she did mention Kirk's name, I want to
give her credit for that, and I stand corrected.
Speaker 10 (26:18):
But ultimately my point is I am angry because this
is more of a division of our democracy in this country.
I am conservative as it gets. Charlie Kirk was exactly
my age. I am probably one year older than him,
and I see this as a horrible assassination that his
(26:43):
children and his wife have to say that it was publicized,
and it makes me hurt. It makes me angry as
an American and somebody who wants to see this country
be able to understand difference but not have to poppy
each other or one ind poppy each other because of division.
(27:06):
And that's what I'm seeing continuously.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
All Right, I appreciate your called, Thank you much, appreciate it.
We've got to take get one more in here before
the break. Thanks Matt, who's up next? Here? I'm trying
to move people just a little bit more quickly, is
this Susan in Cambridge? You have it written here? Is
that correct? Rob Susan and Cambridge Susan? Go right ahead, Hey.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
Dan, I'm horrified by this, obviously, and still hoping that,
you know, maybe it's just somebody looking to be famous
and it's not actually a political hit. But probably not.
I would like to wait on, you know, trying to
you know, speculate that it's somehow professional. I mean, he's
(27:54):
not a president, he doesn't have the you know, they're
not going to do he doesn't have secret service. He's
not going to do the sweets.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
You know that, of course.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah, I mean maybe if he had his own security people,
I don't think that they would have thought that he
would have been killed. But my question when I say
that a professional hit, what I'm saying is somebody might
have wanted him gone. I mean, somebody to pop him
from two hundred yards and to hit that spot on
(28:25):
his neck.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
Well, i mean, look at how close the guy came,
you know, in in Butler, Pennsylvania, and he was not
he was fairly new to learning how to shoot, so
he was a lot closer.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
It's possible if the if if the distances that they
when they said two hundred yards, that's six hundred feet.
That's too. That's too Jillette Stadium, football fields. That's all
I'm saying. And you may find out that you just
had a lucky shot. But I sure want to know
everything about if there is someone charged and shown, he
(28:59):
preserves deserves the presumption of innocence. But if there is
someone the fact that the guy was able to get
the shot off and get away, that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
Well if he was that far away and they don't
have a security perimeter, then you know.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I mean, but in any event, but you would think,
I don't know, we're in speculation in there. So I'll
just let that go go ahead.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
I'm sorry your prior caller. Yes, Elizabeth Warren did actually
say I am praying for Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
This is before he passed.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Great. Well, that's that's good to hear the bite that
I found quickly. I did have no reference, and I
commend her then for doing that. I stand corrected. This
is one talk show in America. When the host makes
a mistake, he will admit to it.
Speaker 9 (29:51):
OK, right now.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
The New York Times actually did about a month ago,
a very deep dive on Thomas the kid in Pennsylvania.
You might want to read it. It's I think it
was called like the Quiet Unraveling of blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
So they did.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
It was a very lengthy In fact, I don't know
that I even finished all of it. It was it
was quite long.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Okay, Well, you might want to read that that I would.
I would hope that if it was. His last name
is Crooks, right, Crooks correct?
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Correct?
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, I'm trying to find that, uh Crooks New York Times.
I will print that and I will read that, if
not later tonight. I have it here is June Night,
The Quiet Unraveling of the Man who almost killed Trump.
I'll be interested. And if they did, I'll give him
credit for it and I'll talk about it tomorrow. When
I everything that I had seen, it seemed to be
(30:43):
very sketchy, like this was a weird kid. He was
in They had something he was seeing in some sort
of like some sort of advert advertisement TV advertisement. But anyway, look,
thank you for that suggestion.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
And last thing, I just want to say that you
know I am I got to say I'm a bit
disheartened hearing from some of your more conservative callers like
Rasheed and Tom and just saying you know, the left
rhetoric is out of control, and well, I doesn't give
me much hope. I appreciate your your efforts, but it
(31:20):
doesn't give me much hope that we can on both sides,
you know, condemn this, condemn the violence.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
No, I'm with you, but but I just want you
to know that in both of those cases I was
quick to call them up on it, and I think, actually,
thank you for that. I think that Tom, well, it's
my job. I think that Tom recognized when he said no,
none of the Democrats. I said yes, President Obama. I
read President Obama's statement, Nancy Pelosi, and there were several
(31:52):
others who I read today and and that's a good sign.
That's that's hopeful. I just think, you know my position.
There were wack of doodles in the far right, and
there were whack of doodles in the far left. And
it's up for me. I have my responsibility as a
conservative to be as critical, if not more critical of
(32:13):
the whack of doodles in the right. Easy for people
on my side of the spectrum to criticize the whack
of doodles on the left. Easy for you to criticize
the wack of doodles on the right. I want you
to be equally active and if criticizing well, the wack
of doodles on your side.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
To that point, I would simply ask, you know, Tom
and Rashid, like, you know, I'm listening to the show often.
As you know, I probably disagree with you on politics
about ninety percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Right, I'm surprised it's that little go ahead and.
Speaker 8 (32:48):
With many of your callers, But I'm like, yeah, I'm
doing my due diligence. I'm listening to other people. What
are Rashid and Tom doing? I would ask that of them.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
That's you know that there Next time they call, they
can they make him? They could answer that, Susan, I
do have to run here because I took you too early.
I didn't watch you have a way through the breaks,
but we did and on tonight. That's that's that's a
pretty good run tonight. We'll do more next time. Thanks.
Susan talks right back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You're on Night Side with Dan Rayson's news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
All right, let's go, We're gonna go to Will and
Long Island will next on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Go ahead, man, I'm very, very hurt. This is like
a significant you know, for a lot of Americans. But
I'm like that generation in between yours and his generation X.
I was glad to see people like him, like Ben Shapiro,
(33:49):
like Matt Walsh reignite the I don't even want to
call them conservative values for him, some of them it's
Christian conservative all so, but just libertarian, constitutional, individual, civil
liberty values, okay. And they were bringing to the college
campuses this open dialogue, which college professors and I used
(34:15):
to They're not used to being challenged. How often do
you see people go to debate people like Charlie Kirker,
Ben Shapiro, and I'm talking about people in your industry,
professionals that are supposed to be the pundits of politics.
How often do you see these people want to debate them.
(34:36):
You don't see it very often from the left. They
like to hide in their little world. I also have
to challenge a little bit the rhetoric coming from both sides.
I don't necessarily agree with that. And Obama's words, as
nice as they may be, his actions are proven way different.
I'm old enough to see the change in this country
(34:58):
and the political disc course over the past since Obama
has been president and afterward. I'm old enough to see
the change in some of the people that were brought
here that are chanting death to America on our campuses
when they used to be doing it over there. And
I know who's responsible for it, and so do you. Okay,
I'm old enough to understand what his political ideology was
(35:20):
when he was elected. I didn't vote in that election
because the other guy was no better, John mccainnon was
the only election I didn't vote in. But to be
honest with you, I.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Always think that's a mistake. I think that if you
sometimes you know, again, that's a personal thing. Look, what
I'm trying to do tonight, will is not go down
the laundry list of comments. I'm sure you have a
longer list that you'd like to lit.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
We don't.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
We don't have to go through a laundry list of comments.
I think it's just a little bit un guus there
was some crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
What I'm trying to say is whoever's going to call
up and the the point what I'm trying to tell
people tonight is that the rhetoric on both sides has
to calm down. I mean, Marjorie Taylor Green rhetoric there.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
A pew, he had a lot of in common with you.
You know, he actually, Charlie Kirk actually had a lot
in common with you, not necessarily in his views per se,
but in his socratic method that you use that you know,
I'm not really one of those.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I'm more of a.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Believe in humiliating your opponents so the other people can
see that they're they're ideology is wrong.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I think that the Socratic method and basically you ask
people questions, and that's what I tried, That's what I
try to do. I'm I'm probably not as smart as
Charlie Kirk was, but I've been around a long time.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
You're very smart, and so was he. And it's a sin,
it really is. It's almost enough to make me cry
to see someone.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Like this.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Taken out of the world because people don't like what
he has to say. And to be honest, the things
that he had to say, what did he really have
to say that was so offensive to people?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
And you know, well they may have not only disliked
what he had to say, they might have disliked the
way in which he said it. And what I'm trying
to do by.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Inviting you to come up and challenge him, by inviting
you to come up and speak to him, by by
asking you to openly debate him and affair and open setting. Okay, Yeah,
that's what we need to return to. Dan. Everybody says
we need to return to civility. I'm not sure this
country ever had it. I mean, they used to have
duels on the lawn when they with each other.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I do, and and they were there were fights on
the Senate floor, and there were senators who took canes
to other sensitors. Get all of that. I'm just saying
that if we could take you know, he's no longer
with us tonight.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Okay, calling him, calling him at I want.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
To know tonight who pulled that trigger and what was
what was their background? That's what I wanted.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
I think all of America is with you on that,
even the other side. I think everybody wants to know
what happened here. But I gotta be honest, if if
if you're talking about the political rhetoric, you know, when
you call someone a Nazi, someone who supports Israel by
the way when you call Donald Trump a nazi, when
you use the word fascist, and then you turn around
and say, oh, well, I pray for him. You know
(38:15):
what stands if you want to ifan never wants to
have me on talking, but.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Will, you're basically taking what I'm trying to do tonight.
And you know I'm not going to jump on Bob
with you and say, yeah, it's the lefties.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
I'm not saying you have to in.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Our side who's crazy. There are people on both sides
that are crazy. That's all I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
I'm not saying I have to do that. But I
did hear a last caller that wants to ask questions
about us and ask, you know, where we get our
information from and what are the sources we listen to
if you like.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
The point she made was that if anybody sits in
front of Fox or MSNBC to the exclusion of everything
else the view, you got to have a balanced die.
That's all. Hey, Will, I took you. We did six. Uh,
it's a long six on a night like tonight. I'm
sorry that we've ended up in so much debate. We'll
(39:11):
have more.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
We don't have to apologize you knew where I was
taking you, and I understand. Thanks for the time.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Then all right talking about here comes the eleven one line,
six one, seven thirty coming right back. Let's finish as
strong as we've been for the last two hours. We'll
be back on Night's side. Let us hope we can.
We can make people think tonight
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