September 10, 2025 • 40 mins
Turning Point USA’s CEO and co-founder, Charlie Kirk, was fatally shot today during an outdoor event at Utah Valley University. Kirk was about 20 minutes into his presentation when a single shot rang out and hit him in the neck. President Donald Trump posted messages of sympathy on Truth Social. This was the first stop on Turning Point USA’s planned 14-city American Comeback Tour. Dan brought the very latest on this story.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WVS Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
They thank you very much, Daan Watkins. This this has
to stop, Okay, we've had too much of this. Obviously,
those of us of a certain age can remember the
day John Kennedy was shot President Kennedy November twenty second,
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nineteen sixty three. There was for those of us who
were born as baby boomers, people who were born in
the late forties into the fifties, you came into a country.
We came into a country that seemed to be at
peace with itself. World War two had been won in
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three years and seven months something like that. Three years
and yeah, a little bit more three years and eight months,
and the United States had some years of prosperity.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Again, I realized that's the old days. But I remember
watching Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswald to death or
on live television on that Sunday morning, November twenty fifth,
nineteen sixty three. I was a young teenager at the time,
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and I remember heading up the field to play tag football,
and we were all delighted that Oswald was dead. I mean,
we were kids. This was the guy who had shot
the president of the United States. Fifteen years later or so,
when I was first working for WBZTV as a TV reporter,
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I had a chance to interview the Texas Ranger. If
you remember, if anyone has seen that picture of Oswalt's
rather Oswald grimacing and pulling himself away from Ruby, who
was firing into his midsection. He saw the back of Ruby.
I had a chance to interview that Texas Ranger. He
only died a couple of years ago. He lived a long,
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long life. But I got to interview. In nineteen seventy eight,
on the fifteenth anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, I got
to interview all of the principles, virtually all of the
principles involved. And five years later I remember interviewing Ralphie Arborough,
who was then the senator in Texas. That President Kennedy
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went to Texas to try to patch up some bad
blood between within the Democratic Party. John Connolly was the
governor down there at the time, and Ralphie Arborough was
a Democratic Senator. And we've seen all of that. We
saw the assassinations of Robert F. Kennedy, junior, of doctor
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Martin Luther King, of the attempted assassination of George Wallace
in that Maryland Parking Life. We saw the attempted assassinations
Gerald Ford two two in the same city, San Francisco
in nineteen seventy five, Sarah Jane Moore and Squeaky Frome.
We saw John Hinckley, who now is a free man,
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shoot and almost kill Ronald Reagan in March of nineteen
eighty one, just literally weeks into his presidency. And it's
gone on and on and on. There are others who remember.
I remember in nineteen eighty four, was supposed to meet
Jesse Jackson in New York for an interview. He's running
for president, and we happened to arrive at LaGuardia Airport simultaneously. Ironically,
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the interview was not scheduled until the next day, and
Jackson told me that he had just heard that his
good friend Alan Lowenstein, a Democratic congressman from New York City,
had been assassinated. And you get that same pit feeling,
the pit in your stomach. I know I'm probably going
to miss someone here, but Abby Gifford's who was shot
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to death that Saturday morning, not shot to death, shot
and badly wounded. The wife of Senator Kelly of Arizona.
This it goes on and on and on. Steve Scalise
shot at the softball practice. You had the obviously President
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Trump then candidate Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania, the trial of
the nut job that was sitting out there for twelve
hours looking to take him out as he played golf
in the a few just a few weeks almost I
think it was almost a month of the day after
the Butler assassination attempt. On and on and on. It
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has to stop. I will I will stay proudly that
we for eighteen years now, it will be eighteen years
come October. First, we've conducted this program in which we
have invited people of different points of view to join us.
I remember, you know, listening over the years to other
talk shows where Carl has never had a chance to
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say what they wanted to say. The talk show host
would welcome them, you know, and say what's on your mind,
and the person would say what's on their mind, well,
I'm interested in this, and the talk show host would
take the conversation for the next six or seven minutes.
Thank you very much for your call. Very successful talk show,
more successful than mine. But I invite all points of view.
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All I ask is that you be We call it
North America's back porch. So the idea is you'd be polite,
You be respectful. Can you be passionate, Yes, but try
to make it conversational whether you agree or disagree. I
know so many families where people don't even talk politics
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because some side or the other is offended. They can't
talk politics. That's a problem in a democracy, ladies and gentlemen,
because if we get to the point where the only
people you want to talk about are the people who
are wearing your team colors, and you don't want to
talk to even members of your own family because they're
wearing the other team colors. That is the seeds of
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a civil war. All of us who studied the Civil
War learned brother against brother, uncle against nephew, split families,
particularly those who were populationed more towards the Mason Dixon line.
This has got to stop. You may have not liked
anything that Charlie Kirk said. You may have looked at
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Charlie Kirk as the smartest, brightest person that ever existed,
or you had it somewhere in between. He did not
deserve to die today. He was shot. Literally. I think
he bled to death on stage, is what I think happened,
only because he had the audacity to take his point
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of view onto an American college campus. I'm sure it
wasn't a college to who shot him. I would be
very interested to see who it was, because whoever shot
him knew what they were doing. They were two hundred yards,
they're saying away. They had a high powered rifle, and
they hit him exactly in a location that he would
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not survive. So we're gonna open phone lines, and I'm
hoping to hear a chorus of condemnation, and particularly from
those who didn't like Charlie Kirk's philosophy or even Charlie
Kirk's style. I think his style was interesting. He would
sit there, take questions and engage in conversation six one, seven, two, five,
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four ten thirty, six one, seven, nine thirty. Let's light
the lines up. This is I think an incredibly important story.
If we just descend into this sort of uh, you know,
eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, red team for
blue team. I just hope it stops. I fear it won't,
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but I hope it stops, and hope you'll join me
in that hope and in that prayer. Back on Nightside
right after.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
This, you're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm tell
you Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
We did have a show playing for tonight. We're going
to talk about Arthur Demoulis being fired terminated. We were
going to talk about the new book written by Kamala Harris,
a book which I guess is going to be out
on September twenty third. We'll get to those topics, if
not later tonight Tomorrow night. I'd like to talk about
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what I considered to be an existential crisis. I know
that's a fancy word, but we have a crisis in
this country. Tom and Brockton. Tom, I want to hear
your voice, and I want to hear your words. Go
right ahead. I want to listen to my audience, and
I go ahead. Tom.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Hey, Thanks Dan, I appreciate you taking my call. I
was a huge Charlie Kirk fan. And the one thing
I will say about him, Number one, he challenged young
college students that, in my opinion, were basically brainwashed by
leftist professors. And the one thing that I really enjoyed
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about him is he never personally attacked them, and it
could be an angry young black girl talking about reparations.
It could be a young white kid that was transgender,
and he would never attack them, but he would challenge
their views. And I'm sixty five years old and when
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I hung her, I didn't go to college in Boston.
I went to technical school on the corner of Mass Avenuebury.
Starting in September seventy eight, I hung around college students.
One of the who ended up being the head of
the Associated Press for New England, who is probably one
of the most closed minded people I have ever met
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in my life. I'm not gonna name names.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
That's all. That's all I wanted tom go ahead.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
But one of the most closed minded, highly educated people
I have ever known in my life that when it
comes to people that vote for Trump, that are conservative,
that we're all more on stupid and we're Nazis. No,
we're not, absolutely not. And here's the point that you know,
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you mentioned Gabby Giffords when she got shot. I believe
the guy, the shooter, his name was Gerald Loffner. He
was not political. He was just a nut job, was
the immediate But what the media did back then was
that because Sarah Palin put rifle scope sites on her
picture that this has to stop, this is violence. I
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have not heard one prominent Democrat, including former President Obama
or anybody on CNN, MSNBC or the major networks and
not on TV, saying this has to stop.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, actually, I think you're wrong on that. I saw
a statement from President Obama. I saw a statement from
Governor Healey. I saw a statement from Ed Markey. All
of who statement, and so let's let's see, uh if
they follow, you know, follow through and continue the theme.
It's it's nice to rease the statement, but let's let's
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have a continuing conversation.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
And but hold on, please hold on for se I didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Please do me a favor. I was simply trying to
correct you. There were statements that I saw tonight released
by many Democrats, which I appreciated. President Obama, Senator Markey,
Governor Healy. That's all I wanted to do.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Go ahead, okay, rubber stamp statements more than likely, am.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
If they weren't, they seemed to be to me, genuine,
call me.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Naive, okay, fair enough, Okay, but you know, I also
remember when Trayvon Martin was shot and immediately Trayvon Martin
was murdered. According to the national media, it turns out
after the trial that there was only one witness to
the assault that was happening that night, and it was
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an individual that claimed that he saw a person wearing
a hooded sweatshirt going MMA on another person. He couldn't
identify either person.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Okay, I just want Tom. What I want to do
is we can go through all of that. You know all,
I'm just saying many and we got it.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I understand that. I understand that, Dan, but but but
but the point I'm going to try and make is
that we have had people like Chuck Schumer scream at
the Capitol steps after the Roe versus.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Wade Yes correct, the right, yep that.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
He said to bred Kavanov, you will reap the whirlwomen,
and he shouted it at the top of his plump.
And what happened with Brett Kavanov after the Roe versus
Wade decision was overturned, there was a kid from California
outside of his house with a handgun who admitted the
police he wanted to assascinate him. Okay, so I'm sorry,
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I've listened to the last five or six years about
how white supremacy is the most dangerous thing to this country.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Sorry and heard it.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Tom. You're covering the water from me. I have full lines.
I appreciate the points you made. Fair, fair enough, Okay,
thanks Tom, appreciate your calling.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Bye bye.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Let me go to Harvey Silverglade. Harvey, thank you for
calling in. I know that there was a statement released
tonight by FIRE, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education,
an expression.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
FIRE, which I co founded nineteen ninety. My position on
this is not artismate or your collor just you know,
is blaming the left. This is not a part of
an issue. It is a problem. A question is why
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has this society, our society become so violent that it
has chosen to express political views through assassination and other
forms of violence. That is an issue of culture. It
is not political, It is not ideological. There's a question
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of why this is happening to us at this point.
We have had periods before whether there have been assassinations.
There was Mima Martin, Luther King Junior, Robert Kennedy, John F.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Kennedy. You know, there are periods when.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Senseless assassinations seem to be the mode of choice. And
we have to figure out why this is so. In
this country, people have the right to express themselves, we
have a First Amendment, and yet we have this resort
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of political violence. It is difficult to understand.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I think some of it. I think some of it.
Harvey is genuinely mental illness. I think the Gabby Gifford
shoot did not have an ideological motivation. I think Hinckley
probably was meant ill. But there are some who I
assume that San Sirhan disagreed with Kennedy over probably Middle
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Eastern issues. Oswald. Unfortunately, no one ever knows for sure
who was involved in that and why he was involved.
You know, the Warren Commission, I think dropped the ball there.
This kid down in Pennsylvania, in Butler, Pennsylvania. We know
such little about this kid. What's this background? The media
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seems to have not had a lot of interest. Have
you seen any real in depth reporting on the kid
from now? The kid was killed, obviously, but I don't
know too much about him. He was twenty years old,
that's all, and he had a gun.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Well, it's it's struck out of public conscious system.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The guy who's who who went on trial today, who
had been a world traveler. He had been in the Ukraine,
he had been in Australia. What were his funding sources?
He appeared to be unemployment. I don't know that the
media was particularly interested in getting deep into the background
of either of these two. I don't know that it
was that it was a motivation because the subject of
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their contempt was Donald Trump. But you know, we learned
so much about Harvey, about Lee Harvey Oswald, which was wonderful.
We needed to learn more, you know. It's I wish
we had more answers. I really do. The guy who
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shot up the Republicans, I think that was politically motivated
from what I read about his background. I think some
people just frustrated. I would assume today was politically motivated.
We don't know who the person was, but I would
bet that they went that someone went after Charlie Kirk
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because of some of the things that he might have said.
That's my instinct. I don't know if you share that instinct.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I do.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Charlie Kirk was a very decent guy. He was a
traditional Conservative and it's very hard to understand why anybody
would have a gripe against them.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well, I think that he got he did get into some,
you know, some of the more sensitive cultural issues, and.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
But he did it respect Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Through conversation. But some people just can't tolerate people with
a different point of view. I mean, you know, there
are family members who don't talk to one another because
they don't want to talk about politics. It's just it's
too sensitive, it's too close to the nerve. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Somebody with whom, somebody with him, they disagree. It's not
that their opinion is simply different from yours, but they
are bad people. They are evil people because they have
a view that it's just a remarkable development and of
free society.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I guess if you begin to construe the other person
as being an evil person, not just someone who has
bad ideas, I suppose that at that point that might
in your mind, if your mind is a little warped,
justify some form of violence, and particularly when it's someone
you really don't know. I'm sure that whoever shot Charlie Kirk,
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if we ever find out who it was, will have
had no personal experience with him. I suspect I believe,
I believe it was motivated, but we'll see. Maybe it
was just somebody who I don't know. I can't believe it.
Clearly the guy whoever it was shot Charlie Clark Kirk.
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It wasn't a random shot.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Oh, it was a sad there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, no question, no question. And generally, assassinations, whether it's
the arch dude Ferdinand in World War One before World
War One is a there's a political motivation, there's a motive, animus,
there's an animus there.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
The motivation in recent assassinations in this country just seems
to be that you disagree with somebody, Okay, hell of
a motive to assassinates them.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I'm a free speech absolutist.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Absolutely one of the best, one of my heroes, I
feel that, okay. And I've learned a lot from you
over the years, and one of it is tolerance of
other people's opinions.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
And the freedom to express your opinion is supposed to
be a preventative against.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Hold on for what's and I got to take a
CBS News special report. I'll pick you up on the
other side of the newsbreak.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I want to go back and give Harvey A Harvey Silverglade,
a great First Amendment attorney and First Amendment advocate and absolutist. Harvey,
give you a quick chance to summarize a quick final
comment before I have to move on. Go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Well, my final comment is that we have to figure
out a way to talk to one another again rather
than shoot. And uh, I don't quite know how to
how to do that, but I know my foundation fire
is gonna it is going to work on this. But
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we re vented a very dangerous period and I hope
we exited pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I'll tell you I could never read you more.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Have you.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Thank you so much much for your for your wisdom.
Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Good night, good night, I have.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
A great have a great night, Huey. Let go to
Rashid in Dorchester. Rashid, welcome back to Night's. I thank
you for your patience.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I'm just very emotional tonight.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
I just think that you know, when you guys, you know,
I know you were old enough to remember when JFK
was assassinated that night, how many young Americans were confused,
they were angry, they were sad, and like Charlie Kirk's
assassination is our jfk assassination of this generation, my generation.
I'm thirty years old, I'm a conservative commentator. I'm in
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the space, the same space I had met Charlie before,
and he's such a such a wonderful human being. And
just looking at a man who's this one year older
than me, who is this killed and leave he leaves
behind two very young children and a wife. But I
think that the most inspiring part of it was he
died for what he believed, and he died in debate.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
He died having the.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
Base that have awakened many young people and got them
very interested in politics. And you know, it's just bizarre
for me because I picked up a book it's called
Every American a King by Huey Long, because you know,
Huey Long is a guy that really interests me based
on kind of the populism of his politics back in
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the twenties and thirties, and Huey Long was assassinated for
his political beliefs. And just just finishing that book recently,
and this happening to me, it's just it's heartbreaking, Dan,
It's very very very heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It will be interesting to see who finally is accused
of this crime. Now, whoever is accused of it will
have the presumption of innocence. But if there is, if
the dots can be connected, my suspicion is that it
will be. It will be someone who probably has a
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touch of mental illness and they have a set of
political beliefs that are absolutely diametrically opposed to Charlie Kirk
and what Charlie Kirk represented. He's a conservative, they'll call
him a conservative activist, right wing activist, but he's someone
who enjoyed going onto college campus and challenging the orthodoxy
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of the college campus and making people think, which does
nothing wrong with that. That's what we try to do
one Night's side and we try to have civil conversations.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Yeah, you know, I agree, And I think President Trump's
words should be something that we all listen to. I
don't know if you all will play the statement he made,
but I think President Trump is leaning on something very important.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
The far left.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
They're domestic terrorists and there needs to be something done,
whether it is imprisoning the these people, I mean, these
people were dossing ice agents, these people who want to
assassinate politicians. I'm not saying the right is perfect. I mean,
we look at what happened on January on.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, I my belief is that we had the whack
of doodles on both ends of the spectrum. Okay, for
some of the crazies that are that are acting up
in places like Seattle and Portland. We had the crazies
down in Charlottesville and the crazies on January sixth on
the other side of the spectrum. And I think that
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we on whichever side of the spectrum we're on, it's
easy for and I know you Rashid, you're a conservative,
it's it's easy for you to look across the spectrum
and look at the crazies on the left to criticize them.
Folks who are legitimate conservatives have to control and disassociate
themselves from the far right lunatics and liberals and Democrats
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who are you know, you know somewhere in the middle
of the Great Debate. They have to disassociate themselves from
the lunatics on the far left.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
I think that I agree, I agree, but you know,
I think on the far left we've been seeing a
lot of more violence. You know, like I said, we
could call it the far the right. And again, like
I mentioned, January sixth. But when we see assassinating politicians.
Luigi Mangoni whatever his last name was killed a healthcare ceo,
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he was left, we see the butler, and I don't
have to even go through the examples, but I think
that left in this country, the far left is legitimately
domestic terrorst So we see what they're doing to the
ICE agents, and I hope that this administration will start
taking actions to treat them as such, because you know,
you can't.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Treat them for their for their arguments or their points
of view when they right exactly. So I always want
to make sure we maintained that distinction. Racida, I gotta
keep rolling here. Thank you was always for your tell
you that, for your thoughtfulness. Thank you have a great night.
Let me go to Donna in framing him. Donna, you
were next on Nightside. I'm really looking forward to your
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reaction to what happened in Utah today.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
Well, I'm gonna stay focused on what you'll ask people
to comment. John my first saying, I don't care if
it's the left of the right. Our fellow Americans are
not domestic terrorists.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I think they're a domestic terrorists in this country. On
both ends of the far end of the political spectrum. Well,
you don't think that some of the people, I said,
you don't think that some of the people who invaded
the capitol in January sixth and who engaged in beatdowns
of capital police officers.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
Oh yes, yes, I absolutely okay.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And you don't think the people that have been that
have been firing hurling rocks and cinder blocks at ice
vehicles in California are not domestic terrorists.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
No, But the way he was using it, I don't
want to get I don't want don't forget what I
call for.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
But all I'm just saying is that that we cannot
deny the obvious. Go ahead, go ahead. I didn't mean
to sidetrack you.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Go ahead, okay.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
First of all, the whole point of a democracy is
to have different opinions. That's the whole point in the
first place. So I'll give you a quick anecdote which
will hopefully make my point. My congress My congress person
is Catherine Clark. I'm not too wild about her, and
I'm an independent. I'm not a Republican. I'm a Democrat,
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and I'm also and I'm also neither liberal nor conservative.
I'm a moderate.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
So anyway, she had a raging moderate.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Now right, I'm only kidding. I'm kidding you.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Go ahead, I don't care.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
I'm raging moderate. Sounds okay to me.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
Anyway, A few years back, she had somebody running against her,
a Republican. It was a woman. I think her first
name was Caroline. I can't remember, but anyway, I saw
that she went to Emmanuel College, and so did I.
So seeing that, I called her office and said, tell
me a little bit about you and so forth. Except
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she's twenty years younger than me, so we were not
at a Manuel at the same time. And she talked
to me. I said, well, what is it you don't
like about Catherine Clark? And again, I'm not wild about
Katherine Clark. Okay, she said, because she hates America. I said,
I think her name was Carolina. I said, I might
not agree with what she says or whatever, but don't
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one politician try to tell me that the opposition, no
matter who it is, hates America. That's where we get
into these that's where we get into these problems with
Thanksgiving in order. You had alluded to before, but your
opposition is not a bad person. They disagree with you,
but they don't hate America. I don't like it when
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anyone says that, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Agree generally generally with that. So you made your point.
I think again, what I have said, and I think
you agree with me, is we need to tone the
rhetoric down.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Most certainly.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
And a few weeks ago, don't forget Minneapolis, they killed
the politician and her husband to remember.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah, And again I would love to
know more what that person's motivation was. We moved from
these stories. There were so many stories about Lee Harvey Oswald.
There almost were too many. We heard that he was
you know, you know all the stories what I'm saying,
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I would love the media to drill down. I know
nothing about the kid that shot and wounded President Trump
and Butler Pennsylvania. I know that he was twenty years old,
he was kind of a loser. But is that all
that they found out about him? He apparently had some
sort of cryptic messages that they couldn't break the you know,
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crypto cryptology or whatever. Who was he dealing with? Was
he just sitting in his room and one day said
I'm gonna go kill a presidential candidate. I don't think so.
I don't think so because I think that would be
somebody who was severely mentally ill. I I just feel
that I want to talk about this guy who went
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on trial today. Do you know that this guy went
to Ukraine to fight in Ukraine? Have you heard that
part of the.
Speaker 8 (31:30):
Story or the guy in the the guy on the roof, the.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Guy down down, who was who was hiding in the
woods off at the golf course.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
On the Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I heard that.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And did he spend times? I think it was like
either New Zealand or he lived in Hawaii for a while. Yeah,
you know how much you cost to go to Hawaii
and live in Hawaii. That's not a cheap place to live.
And it didn't appear to me that he had any
sort of you know, he was where did he get
his money? What I've seen nothing in the Globe or
(32:02):
the Washington Post or the New York Times. A real
drill down, you know, go to this guy where he
grew up, who he went to school with, what was
he like? How did these people get to this point?
We need to know that for some reason, there seems
to be in the case of these two such little information,
I don't understand why are.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
They like, we don't who might not know much about
this person.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Either, Well we have they haven't found this guy yet
once they find him, if however they find him forensically.
I just saw a video that this guy who shot
Kirk might have been actually on a roof. There's a
there's a shot of an individual who would have been
in a position to fire on a roof of one
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of these buildings. Now I don't know anything about this
college campus, but that might be something you got to
really look at in terms of because up on a
roof that's a dangerous place to be.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
Sometimes it couldn't It could end up if somebody just
wants to be famous, you know, or infamous or whatever.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Shooting Charlie Clerk. I could see someone trying to shoot
if if the if the theory was they took a
shot at the president of United States because they wanted
to be famous, that's one thing. But to shoot a
political activist, even someone as well known as Charlie Kirk,
I'm not so sure. But we'll say, Donald, love your calls,
keep calling the program as always, Thank you much.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Yeah, welcome by.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
We're coming right back.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
On Nightside Night Side with Dan Ray on w B
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Back to the phones that we go to Paul in Pennsylvania.
Paul next on Knightsiger right ahead.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Oh, Dan, it's a sad day. He was at Charlie
a rising star of the Republican Party. He was a
lot of the young people respected him, and at that
young age, at thirty one. The whole thing is a
real tragedy.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, yeah, it was shocking. It was funny. A friend
of mine called me and said, you know, there's a
shooting on a college campus, but he didn't know it
was Charlie Kirk. And half an hour later I flipped
on the news and yeah, it was, you know, a
fairly well known person, political person. So I hope that
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the authorities have some sort of a lead they can
get to this person, find out what their motivation was,
who they are. I think it's going to be fascinating
to find out. You know why.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
What surprised me was they said that I guess at
that university they're Utah, they didn't want him there. And
when over the last fifty years or so, you know,
when somebody goes on stage usually a group comes in
and starts yelling and screaming and they can't even speak.
But this is just taking things to a whole new level.
What was done today. Yeah, well they might agree with you.
It's probably not a student I agree with you, But
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in a conservatives sty like Utah, I guess it's not
too conservative anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Well, again, what you're talking about is I have no
idea who this this person is, but there aren't too
many college kids who can whoever this guy was? This
guy I assume it's a guy. But whoever this person was,
they knew exactly where to hit him from a couple
of hundred yards away.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
I mean, And and the thing is is if you
shoot Seth me in the nut, you're going to serve
their spinal cord.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Well, it depends, I mean, if you get shot in
the neck. I think it was probably one of his
major arteries that feed the brain. Because they talked about
a tremendous flow of blood. I thought.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
The whole thing is that. The whole thing is that
I barely shocked about the whole thing. And h and
you were talking about we ever filed the person's motivation.
I hope they catch him too. But there was that
person in the what was it, Las Vegas. They never
found anything about him, and that was the worst match
shooting in the US history.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, that was the guy that he had. He had
brought all sorts of uh yeah again, Uh no, I
could agree with him. There's another great one. Fifty two
people I think was the number. Was the number that
he took down. He wanted to set some sort of
a record.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I wish that we we the media has the responsibility
to do the deep dive in that situation in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
In my opinion, it seems to me that when the conservative,
when the Republicans are in power, people on the far
left banked up, and then the the inverse when there's
a Democrat or left in power and the people in
the right one. That's what it seemed to me.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
In some respects. But then there were people who were
just mentally off their rocker and uh and and they
do these things. I mean, the guy that shot Gabby Giffords,
there was apparently was no political motivation. He was just crazy.
Paul keep calling the show.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Thank you sir, thank you, then.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Thank you very much. Let me get John and Dataminia John,
I want to get you in before the deadline. We
got a couple of minutes quick thoughts.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
On which requick and I don't even know where to
st I actually wanted to make this all after I
found out about the girl killed in Charlotte, and it's
just as fuel to the fire. And I think, what
we don't hear enough and you got you just asked
re touch on it. The media play, I think plays
a big part of this. You watch Charlie Kirk's clips.
He was very respectful, never call anybody names, let people
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do the talking, and he would just use facts, you know,
and he would let everybody speak their mind. And I
think there is He just had a caller on say,
but no domestic terrorism or the Democrats don't hate America,
you know what. I'll say this, and I said it before.
You never hear anybody chant USA at a democratic function.
(37:38):
And I'll say this also when you have people like
Jazmine Crocketted that her name is calling out for the
murder of Musk and there's no backlash. And this has
become a very common theme among the Democrats with the
violence and and I'll always listen to the other side
point show me examples of the Republican type. And I've
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never seen it this bad from either side where the shy.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
You saw what happened on January sixth, You saw Charlotte's Charlottesville, Charlotteville, Charlotteville, Virginia.
Yeah yeah, okay, so but again it's it's at some
point we all got to take the rhetoric down, okay,
all of us, and all of us have to also,
(38:25):
you know, talk to our friends, you know people who
have who have ended friendships. You know, repair those bridges,
repair the bridges within your family. Just because someone disagrees
with you doesn't make them a bad person, doesn't make
them stupid. They just have a different world experience, they
have a different philosophical point of view. That's what's great
about America, not what's wrong with America.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
And I think Charlie Kirk did it was a perfect
example of that. But him. I have a daughter who
lives out with California. She's a very intelligent graduate Fromody
who blew up to California. She doesn't know like a
shows very little about the auto pen to cover up
Charlie Kirk because the media doesn't say anything out there,
and I think you said, the media has to be
the watchdog.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, well it also is probably the whatever, whatever her choices.
If you need to, you can't just be in your silo.
And if you're a conservative, listen to Fox News, or
if you're a liberal, listen to CNN or MSNBC. Listen
to a program like this. We'll give you different points
of view. I'm a conservative, there's no doubt about it.
(39:31):
But I'm more than happy to have folks on this
program as against who disagree with me.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
As a matter of fact, that's what's many.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Of the folks who disagree with me. Elizabeth Warren, we
invited her on this program probably twenty five times, never
came on, has no interest in coming on and having
a conversation.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
But it happens all the time with and I grew
up with Democrat.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Weeah, well, a lot of people, you know, switch parties
at some point during their life. Hey, John, I promise
you the next time I owe you more time. But
thank you for getting some interesting points in before the
ten o'clock news. You're still there. Oh, thank you much right, Okay,
thank you very much, John, appreciate it. We don't hang
up on people. We try not to hang up on
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people coming back. This is a topic of the night
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WVS Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
They thank you very much, Daan Watkins. This this has
to stop, Okay, we've had too much of this. Obviously,
those of us of a certain age can remember the
day John Kennedy was shot President Kennedy November twenty second,
(00:32):
nineteen sixty three. There was for those of us who
were born as baby boomers, people who were born in
the late forties into the fifties, you came into a country.
We came into a country that seemed to be at
peace with itself. World War two had been won in
(00:55):
three years and seven months something like that. Three years
and yeah, a little bit more three years and eight months,
and the United States had some years of prosperity.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Again, I realized that's the old days. But I remember
watching Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswald to death or
on live television on that Sunday morning, November twenty fifth,
nineteen sixty three. I was a young teenager at the time,
(01:29):
and I remember heading up the field to play tag football,
and we were all delighted that Oswald was dead. I mean,
we were kids. This was the guy who had shot
the president of the United States. Fifteen years later or so,
when I was first working for WBZTV as a TV reporter,
(01:50):
I had a chance to interview the Texas Ranger. If
you remember, if anyone has seen that picture of Oswalt's
rather Oswald grimacing and pulling himself away from Ruby, who
was firing into his midsection. He saw the back of Ruby.
I had a chance to interview that Texas Ranger. He
only died a couple of years ago. He lived a long,
(02:10):
long life. But I got to interview. In nineteen seventy eight,
on the fifteenth anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, I got
to interview all of the principles, virtually all of the
principles involved. And five years later I remember interviewing Ralphie Arborough,
who was then the senator in Texas. That President Kennedy
(02:31):
went to Texas to try to patch up some bad
blood between within the Democratic Party. John Connolly was the
governor down there at the time, and Ralphie Arborough was
a Democratic Senator. And we've seen all of that. We
saw the assassinations of Robert F. Kennedy, junior, of doctor
(02:54):
Martin Luther King, of the attempted assassination of George Wallace
in that Maryland Parking Life. We saw the attempted assassinations
Gerald Ford two two in the same city, San Francisco
in nineteen seventy five, Sarah Jane Moore and Squeaky Frome.
We saw John Hinckley, who now is a free man,
(03:15):
shoot and almost kill Ronald Reagan in March of nineteen
eighty one, just literally weeks into his presidency. And it's
gone on and on and on. There are others who remember.
I remember in nineteen eighty four, was supposed to meet
Jesse Jackson in New York for an interview. He's running
for president, and we happened to arrive at LaGuardia Airport simultaneously. Ironically,
(03:41):
the interview was not scheduled until the next day, and
Jackson told me that he had just heard that his
good friend Alan Lowenstein, a Democratic congressman from New York City,
had been assassinated. And you get that same pit feeling,
the pit in your stomach. I know I'm probably going
to miss someone here, but Abby Gifford's who was shot
(04:01):
to death that Saturday morning, not shot to death, shot
and badly wounded. The wife of Senator Kelly of Arizona.
This it goes on and on and on. Steve Scalise
shot at the softball practice. You had the obviously President
(04:23):
Trump then candidate Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania, the trial of
the nut job that was sitting out there for twelve
hours looking to take him out as he played golf
in the a few just a few weeks almost I
think it was almost a month of the day after
the Butler assassination attempt. On and on and on. It
(04:47):
has to stop. I will I will stay proudly that
we for eighteen years now, it will be eighteen years
come October. First, we've conducted this program in which we
have invited people of different points of view to join us.
I remember, you know, listening over the years to other
talk shows where Carl has never had a chance to
(05:10):
say what they wanted to say. The talk show host
would welcome them, you know, and say what's on your mind,
and the person would say what's on their mind, well,
I'm interested in this, and the talk show host would
take the conversation for the next six or seven minutes.
Thank you very much for your call. Very successful talk show,
more successful than mine. But I invite all points of view.
(05:33):
All I ask is that you be We call it
North America's back porch. So the idea is you'd be polite,
You be respectful. Can you be passionate, Yes, but try
to make it conversational whether you agree or disagree. I
know so many families where people don't even talk politics
(05:54):
because some side or the other is offended. They can't
talk politics. That's a problem in a democracy, ladies and gentlemen,
because if we get to the point where the only
people you want to talk about are the people who
are wearing your team colors, and you don't want to
talk to even members of your own family because they're
wearing the other team colors. That is the seeds of
(06:17):
a civil war. All of us who studied the Civil
War learned brother against brother, uncle against nephew, split families,
particularly those who were populationed more towards the Mason Dixon line.
This has got to stop. You may have not liked
anything that Charlie Kirk said. You may have looked at
(06:40):
Charlie Kirk as the smartest, brightest person that ever existed,
or you had it somewhere in between. He did not
deserve to die today. He was shot. Literally. I think
he bled to death on stage, is what I think happened,
only because he had the audacity to take his point
(07:01):
of view onto an American college campus. I'm sure it
wasn't a college to who shot him. I would be
very interested to see who it was, because whoever shot
him knew what they were doing. They were two hundred yards,
they're saying away. They had a high powered rifle, and
they hit him exactly in a location that he would
(07:22):
not survive. So we're gonna open phone lines, and I'm
hoping to hear a chorus of condemnation, and particularly from
those who didn't like Charlie Kirk's philosophy or even Charlie
Kirk's style. I think his style was interesting. He would
sit there, take questions and engage in conversation six one, seven, two, five,
(07:44):
four ten thirty, six one, seven, nine thirty. Let's light
the lines up. This is I think an incredibly important story.
If we just descend into this sort of uh, you know,
eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, red team for
blue team. I just hope it stops. I fear it won't,
(08:09):
but I hope it stops, and hope you'll join me
in that hope and in that prayer. Back on Nightside
right after.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
This, you're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm tell
you Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
We did have a show playing for tonight. We're going
to talk about Arthur Demoulis being fired terminated. We were
going to talk about the new book written by Kamala Harris,
a book which I guess is going to be out
on September twenty third. We'll get to those topics, if
not later tonight Tomorrow night. I'd like to talk about
(08:47):
what I considered to be an existential crisis. I know
that's a fancy word, but we have a crisis in
this country. Tom and Brockton. Tom, I want to hear
your voice, and I want to hear your words. Go
right ahead. I want to listen to my audience, and
I go ahead. Tom.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Hey, Thanks Dan, I appreciate you taking my call. I
was a huge Charlie Kirk fan. And the one thing
I will say about him, Number one, he challenged young
college students that, in my opinion, were basically brainwashed by
leftist professors. And the one thing that I really enjoyed
(09:27):
about him is he never personally attacked them, and it
could be an angry young black girl talking about reparations.
It could be a young white kid that was transgender,
and he would never attack them, but he would challenge
their views. And I'm sixty five years old and when
(09:49):
I hung her, I didn't go to college in Boston.
I went to technical school on the corner of Mass Avenuebury.
Starting in September seventy eight, I hung around college students.
One of the who ended up being the head of
the Associated Press for New England, who is probably one
of the most closed minded people I have ever met
(10:10):
in my life. I'm not gonna name names.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
That's all. That's all I wanted tom go ahead.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
But one of the most closed minded, highly educated people
I have ever known in my life that when it
comes to people that vote for Trump, that are conservative,
that we're all more on stupid and we're Nazis. No,
we're not, absolutely not. And here's the point that you know,
(10:41):
you mentioned Gabby Giffords when she got shot. I believe
the guy, the shooter, his name was Gerald Loffner. He
was not political. He was just a nut job, was
the immediate But what the media did back then was
that because Sarah Palin put rifle scope sites on her
picture that this has to stop, this is violence. I
(11:04):
have not heard one prominent Democrat, including former President Obama
or anybody on CNN, MSNBC or the major networks and
not on TV, saying this has to stop.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, actually, I think you're wrong on that. I saw
a statement from President Obama. I saw a statement from
Governor Healey. I saw a statement from Ed Markey. All
of who statement, and so let's let's see, uh if
they follow, you know, follow through and continue the theme.
It's it's nice to rease the statement, but let's let's
(11:41):
have a continuing conversation.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
And but hold on, please hold on for se I didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Please do me a favor. I was simply trying to
correct you. There were statements that I saw tonight released
by many Democrats, which I appreciated. President Obama, Senator Markey,
Governor Healy. That's all I wanted to do.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Go ahead, okay, rubber stamp statements more than likely, am.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
If they weren't, they seemed to be to me, genuine,
call me.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Naive, okay, fair enough, Okay, but you know, I also
remember when Trayvon Martin was shot and immediately Trayvon Martin
was murdered. According to the national media, it turns out
after the trial that there was only one witness to
the assault that was happening that night, and it was
(12:37):
an individual that claimed that he saw a person wearing
a hooded sweatshirt going MMA on another person. He couldn't
identify either person.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Okay, I just want Tom. What I want to do
is we can go through all of that. You know all,
I'm just saying many and we got it.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I understand that. I understand that, Dan, but but but
but the point I'm going to try and make is
that we have had people like Chuck Schumer scream at
the Capitol steps after the Roe versus.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Wade Yes correct, the right, yep that.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
He said to bred Kavanov, you will reap the whirlwomen,
and he shouted it at the top of his plump.
And what happened with Brett Kavanov after the Roe versus
Wade decision was overturned, there was a kid from California
outside of his house with a handgun who admitted the
police he wanted to assascinate him. Okay, so I'm sorry,
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I've listened to the last five or six years about
how white supremacy is the most dangerous thing to this country.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Sorry and heard it.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Tom. You're covering the water from me. I have full lines.
I appreciate the points you made. Fair, fair enough, Okay,
thanks Tom, appreciate your calling.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Bye bye.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Let me go to Harvey Silverglade. Harvey, thank you for
calling in. I know that there was a statement released
tonight by FIRE, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education,
an expression.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
FIRE, which I co founded nineteen ninety. My position on
this is not artismate or your collor just you know,
is blaming the left. This is not a part of
an issue. It is a problem. A question is why
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has this society, our society become so violent that it
has chosen to express political views through assassination and other
forms of violence. That is an issue of culture. It
is not political, It is not ideological. There's a question
(14:57):
of why this is happening to us at this point.
We have had periods before whether there have been assassinations.
There was Mima Martin, Luther King Junior, Robert Kennedy, John F.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Kennedy. You know, there are periods when.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Senseless assassinations seem to be the mode of choice. And
we have to figure out why this is so. In
this country, people have the right to express themselves, we
have a First Amendment, and yet we have this resort
(15:45):
of political violence. It is difficult to understand.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I think some of it. I think some of it.
Harvey is genuinely mental illness. I think the Gabby Gifford
shoot did not have an ideological motivation. I think Hinckley
probably was meant ill. But there are some who I
assume that San Sirhan disagreed with Kennedy over probably Middle
(16:15):
Eastern issues. Oswald. Unfortunately, no one ever knows for sure
who was involved in that and why he was involved.
You know, the Warren Commission, I think dropped the ball there.
This kid down in Pennsylvania, in Butler, Pennsylvania. We know
such little about this kid. What's this background? The media
(16:36):
seems to have not had a lot of interest. Have
you seen any real in depth reporting on the kid
from now? The kid was killed, obviously, but I don't
know too much about him. He was twenty years old,
that's all, and he had a gun.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Well, it's it's struck out of public conscious system.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The guy who's who who went on trial today, who
had been a world traveler. He had been in the Ukraine,
he had been in Australia. What were his funding sources?
He appeared to be unemployment. I don't know that the
media was particularly interested in getting deep into the background
of either of these two. I don't know that it
was that it was a motivation because the subject of
(17:17):
their contempt was Donald Trump. But you know, we learned
so much about Harvey, about Lee Harvey Oswald, which was wonderful.
We needed to learn more, you know. It's I wish
we had more answers. I really do. The guy who
(17:39):
shot up the Republicans, I think that was politically motivated
from what I read about his background. I think some
people just frustrated. I would assume today was politically motivated.
We don't know who the person was, but I would
bet that they went that someone went after Charlie Kirk
(17:59):
because of some of the things that he might have said.
That's my instinct. I don't know if you share that instinct.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I do.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Charlie Kirk was a very decent guy. He was a
traditional Conservative and it's very hard to understand why anybody
would have a gripe against them.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well, I think that he got he did get into some,
you know, some of the more sensitive cultural issues, and.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
But he did it respect Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Through conversation. But some people just can't tolerate people with
a different point of view. I mean, you know, there
are family members who don't talk to one another because
they don't want to talk about politics. It's just it's
too sensitive, it's too close to the nerve. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Somebody with whom, somebody with him, they disagree. It's not
that their opinion is simply different from yours, but they
are bad people. They are evil people because they have
a view that it's just a remarkable development and of
free society.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I guess if you begin to construe the other person
as being an evil person, not just someone who has
bad ideas, I suppose that at that point that might
in your mind, if your mind is a little warped,
justify some form of violence, and particularly when it's someone
you really don't know. I'm sure that whoever shot Charlie Kirk,
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if we ever find out who it was, will have
had no personal experience with him. I suspect I believe,
I believe it was motivated, but we'll see. Maybe it
was just somebody who I don't know. I can't believe it.
Clearly the guy whoever it was shot Charlie Clark Kirk.
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It wasn't a random shot.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Oh, it was a sad there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, no question, no question. And generally, assassinations, whether it's
the arch dude Ferdinand in World War One before World
War One is a there's a political motivation, there's a motive, animus,
there's an animus there.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
The motivation in recent assassinations in this country just seems
to be that you disagree with somebody, Okay, hell of
a motive to assassinates them.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You know.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I'm a free speech absolutist.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Absolutely one of the best, one of my heroes, I
feel that, okay. And I've learned a lot from you
over the years, and one of it is tolerance of
other people's opinions.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
And the freedom to express your opinion is supposed to
be a preventative against.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Hold on for what's and I got to take a
CBS News special report. I'll pick you up on the
other side of the newsbreak.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I want to go back and give Harvey A Harvey Silverglade,
a great First Amendment attorney and First Amendment advocate and absolutist. Harvey,
give you a quick chance to summarize a quick final
comment before I have to move on. Go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Well, my final comment is that we have to figure
out a way to talk to one another again rather
than shoot. And uh, I don't quite know how to
how to do that, but I know my foundation fire
is gonna it is going to work on this. But
(21:49):
we re vented a very dangerous period and I hope
we exited pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I'll tell you I could never read you more.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Have you.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Thank you so much much for your for your wisdom.
Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Good night, good night, I have.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
A great have a great night, Huey. Let go to
Rashid in Dorchester. Rashid, welcome back to Night's. I thank
you for your patience.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
I'm just very emotional tonight.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
I just think that you know, when you guys, you know,
I know you were old enough to remember when JFK
was assassinated that night, how many young Americans were confused,
they were angry, they were sad, and like Charlie Kirk's
assassination is our jfk assassination of this generation, my generation.
I'm thirty years old, I'm a conservative commentator. I'm in
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the space, the same space I had met Charlie before,
and he's such a such a wonderful human being. And
just looking at a man who's this one year older
than me, who is this killed and leave he leaves
behind two very young children and a wife. But I
think that the most inspiring part of it was he
died for what he believed, and he died in debate.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
He died having the.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
Base that have awakened many young people and got them
very interested in politics. And you know, it's just bizarre
for me because I picked up a book it's called
Every American a King by Huey Long, because you know,
Huey Long is a guy that really interests me based
on kind of the populism of his politics back in
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the twenties and thirties, and Huey Long was assassinated for
his political beliefs. And just just finishing that book recently,
and this happening to me, it's just it's heartbreaking, Dan,
It's very very very heartbreaking.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It will be interesting to see who finally is accused
of this crime. Now, whoever is accused of it will
have the presumption of innocence. But if there is, if
the dots can be connected, my suspicion is that it
will be. It will be someone who probably has a
(24:01):
touch of mental illness and they have a set of
political beliefs that are absolutely diametrically opposed to Charlie Kirk
and what Charlie Kirk represented. He's a conservative, they'll call
him a conservative activist, right wing activist, but he's someone
who enjoyed going onto college campus and challenging the orthodoxy
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of the college campus and making people think, which does
nothing wrong with that. That's what we try to do
one Night's side and we try to have civil conversations.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Yeah, you know, I agree, And I think President Trump's
words should be something that we all listen to. I
don't know if you all will play the statement he made,
but I think President Trump is leaning on something very important.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
The far left.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
They're domestic terrorists and there needs to be something done,
whether it is imprisoning the these people, I mean, these
people were dossing ice agents, these people who want to
assassinate politicians. I'm not saying the right is perfect. I mean,
we look at what happened on January on.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, I my belief is that we had the whack
of doodles on both ends of the spectrum. Okay, for
some of the crazies that are that are acting up
in places like Seattle and Portland. We had the crazies
down in Charlottesville and the crazies on January sixth on
the other side of the spectrum. And I think that
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we on whichever side of the spectrum we're on, it's
easy for and I know you Rashid, you're a conservative,
it's it's easy for you to look across the spectrum
and look at the crazies on the left to criticize them.
Folks who are legitimate conservatives have to control and disassociate
themselves from the far right lunatics and liberals and Democrats
(25:55):
who are you know, you know somewhere in the middle
of the Great Debate. They have to disassociate themselves from
the lunatics on the far left.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
I think that I agree, I agree, but you know,
I think on the far left we've been seeing a
lot of more violence. You know, like I said, we
could call it the far the right. And again, like
I mentioned, January sixth. But when we see assassinating politicians.
Luigi Mangoni whatever his last name was killed a healthcare ceo,
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he was left, we see the butler, and I don't
have to even go through the examples, but I think
that left in this country, the far left is legitimately
domestic terrorst So we see what they're doing to the
ICE agents, and I hope that this administration will start
taking actions to treat them as such, because you know,
you can't.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Treat them for their for their arguments or their points
of view when they right exactly. So I always want
to make sure we maintained that distinction. Racida, I gotta
keep rolling here. Thank you was always for your tell
you that, for your thoughtfulness. Thank you have a great night.
Let me go to Donna in framing him. Donna, you
were next on Nightside. I'm really looking forward to your
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reaction to what happened in Utah today.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
Well, I'm gonna stay focused on what you'll ask people
to comment. John my first saying, I don't care if
it's the left of the right. Our fellow Americans are
not domestic terrorists.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I think they're a domestic terrorists in this country. On
both ends of the far end of the political spectrum. Well,
you don't think that some of the people, I said,
you don't think that some of the people who invaded
the capitol in January sixth and who engaged in beatdowns
of capital police officers.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
Oh yes, yes, I absolutely okay.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
And you don't think the people that have been that
have been firing hurling rocks and cinder blocks at ice
vehicles in California are not domestic terrorists.
Speaker 8 (27:55):
No, But the way he was using it, I don't
want to get I don't want don't forget what I
call for.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
But all I'm just saying is that that we cannot
deny the obvious. Go ahead, go ahead. I didn't mean
to sidetrack you.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Go ahead, okay.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
First of all, the whole point of a democracy is
to have different opinions. That's the whole point in the
first place. So I'll give you a quick anecdote which
will hopefully make my point. My congress My congress person
is Catherine Clark. I'm not too wild about her, and
I'm an independent. I'm not a Republican. I'm a Democrat,
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and I'm also and I'm also neither liberal nor conservative.
I'm a moderate.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
So anyway, she had a raging moderate.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Now right, I'm only kidding. I'm kidding you.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Go ahead, I don't care.
Speaker 8 (28:46):
I'm raging moderate. Sounds okay to me.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
Anyway, A few years back, she had somebody running against her,
a Republican. It was a woman. I think her first
name was Caroline. I can't remember, but anyway, I saw
that she went to Emmanuel College, and so did I.
So seeing that, I called her office and said, tell
me a little bit about you and so forth. Except
(29:10):
she's twenty years younger than me, so we were not
at a Manuel at the same time. And she talked
to me. I said, well, what is it you don't
like about Catherine Clark? And again, I'm not wild about
Katherine Clark. Okay, she said, because she hates America. I said,
I think her name was Carolina. I said, I might
not agree with what she says or whatever, but don't
(29:32):
one politician try to tell me that the opposition, no
matter who it is, hates America. That's where we get
into these that's where we get into these problems with
Thanksgiving in order. You had alluded to before, but your
opposition is not a bad person. They disagree with you,
but they don't hate America. I don't like it when
(29:54):
anyone says that, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Agree generally generally with that. So you made your point.
I think again, what I have said, and I think
you agree with me, is we need to tone the
rhetoric down.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Most certainly.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
And a few weeks ago, don't forget Minneapolis, they killed
the politician and her husband to remember.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah, And again I would love to
know more what that person's motivation was. We moved from
these stories. There were so many stories about Lee Harvey Oswald.
There almost were too many. We heard that he was
you know, you know all the stories what I'm saying,
(30:43):
I would love the media to drill down. I know
nothing about the kid that shot and wounded President Trump
and Butler Pennsylvania. I know that he was twenty years old,
he was kind of a loser. But is that all
that they found out about him? He apparently had some
sort of cryptic messages that they couldn't break the you know,
(31:03):
crypto cryptology or whatever. Who was he dealing with? Was
he just sitting in his room and one day said
I'm gonna go kill a presidential candidate. I don't think so.
I don't think so because I think that would be
somebody who was severely mentally ill. I I just feel
that I want to talk about this guy who went
(31:24):
on trial today. Do you know that this guy went
to Ukraine to fight in Ukraine? Have you heard that
part of the.
Speaker 8 (31:30):
Story or the guy in the the guy on the roof, the.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Guy down down, who was who was hiding in the
woods off at the golf course.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
On the Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I heard that.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
And did he spend times? I think it was like
either New Zealand or he lived in Hawaii for a while. Yeah,
you know how much you cost to go to Hawaii
and live in Hawaii. That's not a cheap place to live.
And it didn't appear to me that he had any
sort of you know, he was where did he get
his money? What I've seen nothing in the Globe or
(32:02):
the Washington Post or the New York Times. A real
drill down, you know, go to this guy where he
grew up, who he went to school with, what was
he like? How did these people get to this point?
We need to know that for some reason, there seems
to be in the case of these two such little information,
I don't understand why are.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
They like, we don't who might not know much about
this person.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Either, Well we have they haven't found this guy yet
once they find him, if however they find him forensically.
I just saw a video that this guy who shot
Kirk might have been actually on a roof. There's a
there's a shot of an individual who would have been
in a position to fire on a roof of one
(32:48):
of these buildings. Now I don't know anything about this
college campus, but that might be something you got to
really look at in terms of because up on a
roof that's a dangerous place to be.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
Sometimes it couldn't It could end up if somebody just
wants to be famous, you know, or infamous or whatever.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Shooting Charlie Clerk. I could see someone trying to shoot
if if the if the theory was they took a
shot at the president of United States because they wanted
to be famous, that's one thing. But to shoot a
political activist, even someone as well known as Charlie Kirk,
I'm not so sure. But we'll say, Donald, love your calls,
keep calling the program as always, Thank you much.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Yeah, welcome by.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
We're coming right back.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
On Nightside Night Side with Dan Ray on w B
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Back to the phones that we go to Paul in Pennsylvania.
Paul next on Knightsiger right ahead.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Oh, Dan, it's a sad day. He was at Charlie
a rising star of the Republican Party. He was a
lot of the young people respected him, and at that
young age, at thirty one. The whole thing is a
real tragedy.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, yeah, it was shocking. It was funny. A friend
of mine called me and said, you know, there's a
shooting on a college campus, but he didn't know it
was Charlie Kirk. And half an hour later I flipped
on the news and yeah, it was, you know, a
fairly well known person, political person. So I hope that
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the authorities have some sort of a lead they can
get to this person, find out what their motivation was,
who they are. I think it's going to be fascinating
to find out. You know why.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
What surprised me was they said that I guess at
that university they're Utah, they didn't want him there. And
when over the last fifty years or so, you know,
when somebody goes on stage usually a group comes in
and starts yelling and screaming and they can't even speak.
But this is just taking things to a whole new level.
What was done today. Yeah, well they might agree with you.
It's probably not a student I agree with you, But
(34:53):
in a conservatives sty like Utah, I guess it's not
too conservative anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Well, again, what you're talking about is I have no
idea who this this person is, but there aren't too
many college kids who can whoever this guy was? This
guy I assume it's a guy. But whoever this person was,
they knew exactly where to hit him from a couple
of hundred yards away.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
I mean, And and the thing is is if you
shoot Seth me in the nut, you're going to serve
their spinal cord.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Well, it depends, I mean, if you get shot in
the neck. I think it was probably one of his
major arteries that feed the brain. Because they talked about
a tremendous flow of blood. I thought.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
The whole thing is that. The whole thing is that
I barely shocked about the whole thing. And h and
you were talking about we ever filed the person's motivation.
I hope they catch him too. But there was that
person in the what was it, Las Vegas. They never
found anything about him, and that was the worst match
shooting in the US history.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, that was the guy that he had. He had
brought all sorts of uh yeah again, Uh no, I
could agree with him. There's another great one. Fifty two
people I think was the number. Was the number that
he took down. He wanted to set some sort of
a record.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I wish that we we the media has the responsibility
to do the deep dive in that situation in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
In my opinion, it seems to me that when the conservative,
when the Republicans are in power, people on the far
left banked up, and then the the inverse when there's
a Democrat or left in power and the people in
the right one. That's what it seemed to me.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
In some respects. But then there were people who were
just mentally off their rocker and uh and and they
do these things. I mean, the guy that shot Gabby Giffords,
there was apparently was no political motivation. He was just crazy.
Paul keep calling the show.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Thank you sir, thank you, then.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Thank you very much. Let me get John and Dataminia John,
I want to get you in before the deadline. We
got a couple of minutes quick thoughts.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
On which requick and I don't even know where to
st I actually wanted to make this all after I
found out about the girl killed in Charlotte, and it's
just as fuel to the fire. And I think, what
we don't hear enough and you got you just asked
re touch on it. The media play, I think plays
a big part of this. You watch Charlie Kirk's clips.
He was very respectful, never call anybody names, let people
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do the talking, and he would just use facts, you know,
and he would let everybody speak their mind. And I
think there is He just had a caller on say,
but no domestic terrorism or the Democrats don't hate America,
you know what. I'll say this, and I said it before.
You never hear anybody chant USA at a democratic function.
(37:38):
And I'll say this also when you have people like
Jazmine Crocketted that her name is calling out for the
murder of Musk and there's no backlash. And this has
become a very common theme among the Democrats with the
violence and and I'll always listen to the other side
point show me examples of the Republican type. And I've
(37:58):
never seen it this bad from either side where the shy.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
You saw what happened on January sixth, You saw Charlotte's Charlottesville, Charlotteville, Charlotteville, Virginia.
Yeah yeah, okay, so but again it's it's at some
point we all got to take the rhetoric down, okay,
all of us, and all of us have to also,
(38:25):
you know, talk to our friends, you know people who
have who have ended friendships. You know, repair those bridges,
repair the bridges within your family. Just because someone disagrees
with you doesn't make them a bad person, doesn't make
them stupid. They just have a different world experience, they
have a different philosophical point of view. That's what's great
about America, not what's wrong with America.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
And I think Charlie Kirk did it was a perfect
example of that. But him. I have a daughter who
lives out with California. She's a very intelligent graduate Fromody
who blew up to California. She doesn't know like a
shows very little about the auto pen to cover up
Charlie Kirk because the media doesn't say anything out there,
and I think you said, the media has to be
the watchdog.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, well it also is probably the whatever, whatever her choices.
If you need to, you can't just be in your silo.
And if you're a conservative, listen to Fox News, or
if you're a liberal, listen to CNN or MSNBC. Listen
to a program like this. We'll give you different points
of view. I'm a conservative, there's no doubt about it.
(39:31):
But I'm more than happy to have folks on this
program as against who disagree with me.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
As a matter of fact, that's what's many.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Of the folks who disagree with me. Elizabeth Warren, we
invited her on this program probably twenty five times, never
came on, has no interest in coming on and having
a conversation.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
But it happens all the time with and I grew
up with Democrat.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Weeah, well, a lot of people, you know, switch parties
at some point during their life. Hey, John, I promise
you the next time I owe you more time. But
thank you for getting some interesting points in before the
ten o'clock news. You're still there. Oh, thank you much right, Okay,
thank you very much, John, appreciate it. We don't hang
up on people. We try not to hang up on
(40:14):
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