November 26, 2025 • 39 mins
Do politics come up at your Thanksgiving dinner table? The topic of politics can be a divisive one for many families, so how does your family tackle it? Do you try to avoid politics all together or openly engage in political debate during your feast? The listeners chimed in!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZST his radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm continuing to monitor this story out of Washington where
two members of the West Virginia National Guard were shot.
There were initial reports that they had died in the shooting,
but they are apparently both in the hospital in critical condition.
A male and female member of the West Virginia National Guard.
They're shot. According to the Associated Press, this is a
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story that has just cleared within like two or three
blocks of the White House. Apparently it was an ambush
of some sort. The suspect is who is in custody,
was also shot. Unclear as to who shot the suspect.
There are police and National Guard members throughout the Washington area.
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The suspect his shot. The wounds he suffered were not
believed to be life threatening. Sounds as if he is
in better shape than the two National Guard members that
he allegedly shot. This is all on the condition of anonymity.
Two law enforcement officials and a person familiar with the
matter said the suspect was believed to be an Afghan
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national who entered the US in September of twenty twenty
one and has been living in Washington State. Again, this
shooting was in Washington, d C. That would seem to
suggest that he would have traveled from Washington State to Washington,
d C. If the Associated Press article is correct. The
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suspect has been identified by law enforcement officials as Romanola Lockamwall,
but authorities were still working to fully confirm his background.
They said that people could not discuss the tales of
an ongoing investigation, and spoke to the Associated Press on
condition of anonymity. Why anyone would shoot members of the
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National Guard in Washington, d C. Is beyond me. I'm
sure this will be a subject that we'll be discussed
tomorrow as the situation is clarified by people at Thanksgiving dinner,
Which gives me the segue to invite all of you
to call in, because we have not touched this item
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and I've saved it until tonight. I know many of
you are heading home right now, driving and maybe you're
at your own vehicle or you're driving with someone else.
Feel free to call in. We'd love to hear where
you are, love to hear what the weather conditions are like.
I know that as you go further west here in
New England, the weather's pretty nice right now, but apparently
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there are storms still in the Upper Midwest, so please
drive carefully wherever you are. And the question I want
to ask, and I want to ask it quite seriously.
Now nine years removed from the election of twenty sixteen,
when I think all of the bitterness that we are
dealing with recently really began to bubble up. That was
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through the That was the election of twenty sixteen, when
Donald Trump defeated Hillary Clinton, although Hillary Clinton won three
million more popular votes, and that election is over. Donald
Trump's first term was served. Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump
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in twenty twenty, and then Donald Trump came back and
was reelected, the second US president to be reelected after
having been turned out of office. So the question that
I have is, for nine years now, people have been
walking on eggshells when they go to Thanksgiving dinners with
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their family members. And I know that I've been cautioned
by my family We're not going to talk about politics.
And I have really no interest in talking about politics
at Thanksgiving dinner because frankly, I talk about politics all
week long with you folks. But my question is, and
I'd love to hear from some of you, what will
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you do tomorrow? Will you dutifully avoid any reference to
the Democrats, to the Republicans, to Donald Trump, to what's
going on in Ukraine, what happened tonight or this afternoon
in Washington, DC when someone decided to take it upon
themselves at ambush to members of the National Guard. We
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have no idea why, and there'll be more information on
this coming out. And if there is someone at the
table who decides to mention something politically, will you react?
And it doesn't matter whether you like Donald Trump or
don't like Donald Trump, whether you like the Democrats, whether
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you like AOC or Chuck Schumer or Bernie Sanders or
Zohan Mamdani. Politics are around us. It's as simple as that.
And I think that when you're enjoying people's companies company
for three or four hours, and particularly if there's a
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group of eight or ten or twelve or more people,
that politics, generally, if some sort, is going to come up,
in my opinion, so my question is what will your
reaction be. Can you have a civil conversation with people
with whom you disagree? Are you capable of that? I am,
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but I'm not sure that people are capable of having
a civil conversation with me. I'm not looking to get
into a fistfight, not looking to throw mashed potatoes across
the at anyone. I'm not advising that, but it seems
to me that it's long since past time. I joked
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around several Thanksgivings in the last nine years with you,
and sometimes I said, no, don't talk politics, don't under
any circumstances talk politics. Other times I've said, no, we're
your Hillary hat, were your Trump button whatever. So I
just want to hear from you, guys, what are you
going to do. I will promise you this. I will
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toast all of you at some point with a glass
of red wine. And I hope some of you might
toast other members of the night Side or audience, and
maybe even me. I would appreciate that. I also need
to just take a moment. We're going to go to
break but I've set this up. I want to see
these lines fill up and we come back. We're going
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to go to your phone calls. But I do want
to mention that Marita and I have made a decision
that we we will indeed have a thirteenth annual night
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at Nightside know we like to end our broadcast year,
at least my broadcast year. Both Marita and I we're
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happily married, not to each other, okay, but we take
the last week of the year off. So our last
show is on Tuesday night, December twenty third, and the
last hour or so we will interview people who are
involved in charitable activity. We call it the Night Side
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Charity combine. It was an idea of my daughter many
years ago, thirteen years ago in fact. So here's the deal.
If you go to if you are the head of
a charity, or if you are an active volunteer in
a charity and you want to go to the head
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We'll give you four or five minutes. We will probably
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or take. Could be eighteen, could be twenty one, whatever,
and you give an opportunity to find a charity you
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My cousin told me about this charity. It has something
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profile of your charity and maybe even raise some money.
Nuff said. Six one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.
I want to hear from you. Are you gonna talk politics?
Is there a sided politics at your Thanksgiving dinner table tomorrow?
And if it is, will you will you try some
of it? Or will you say no? I am no,
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thank you no. I want to hear why will you
or won't you? Six one seven, two, five four ten
thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty. We'll
be right back on nights Side after a couple of
brief messages and we're going to go to phone calls.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
It's night Side with Dan Ray on w B Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
All right, let's go back to the phones. Are gonna
start it off with Matthew and Danvers. Hey Matthew, appreciate
your calling in.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Go right ahead, Hey Dan, Happy Thanksgiving everybody?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Happy Thanks given to you as well.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, great to hear you. Thanks for the great topic.
I have a few things that I wanted to bring
up to you about just sitting around the Thanksgiving table
with everybody. You know, they can get to get a
little on edge sometimes because you know, I find I
seem to be more of a centrist, but even these days,
being a centrist can make you even more of a
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target than being on either one of the other sides.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, I would agree with you on that, because then
they want to convince you, right.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, because now they're vying for
a position here, so they want to convince you to
come to their side or come to their side. So there,
that's a that's a no sum game. It's it's best
not to say anything at that point.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Well, I think it depends upon you. Got to know
your circumstances. What do you think? What do you what
would you what do you think your instinct would tell
you to do. If if you sitting there tomorrow, you know,
enjoying your your Thanksgiving dinner, and someone says to you, so,
what do you think of this Trump situation? Or isn't
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he the greatest president we've ever had? I mean, no
matter that, they'll ask you a leading question, what do
you do?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, exactly, You're right, a leading question kind of trying
to They're trying to stuns you out.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah. And it's and it may be somebody
that you really don't know, maybe the you know, the
friend of your host, a neighbor of your host, depending
upon your circumstances. I say, if, if, if you don't
know who the person is and they're just asking you,
turn the question around to them and say, no, what
what do you think? And you know, put the ball
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back in their court.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That's certainly one way to go about it. I have
found that, especially in the last two years, the way
I go about it is a little bit different. What
I'll do is is, you know, people want to ask questions,
I'll just bring up stuff that maybe they wouldn't even
know about. So I'll bring up stuff that I'm interested
in like that, giant weird comet asteroid coming toward us. Hey,
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what's that all about?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, okay, that's the one that the professor from Harvard
is still looking at. I believe they're talking about late December, right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
A lot of them are talking about it. No one
knows what it is. It's doing a bunch of weird stuff.
It doesn't get as much you know, airplay as what
the politicians do. But actually, to me, that's way more
fascinating topic than talking about these talking heads that do
the same thing every year. And by the way, why
do we even care about these people to just close
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down Congress for months? Yeah, and they were still getting paid. Well,
no one else was like, we put these people up
on a pedestal. What pedestal do they belong on? Marjorie
Taylor Green, for instance, She's gonna leave, right, She's gonna
leave in Jenuel.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
When she came in, she was worth about I think
it said she was worth about seven hundred thousand dollars.
Now she's worth twenty one million dollars.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I had got that.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I gotta tell you that I have not seen that.
But if that is true, that Look, Nancy Pelosi was
the leader of the pack there. But boy, for Greeno
has only been there a few years. Pelosi was there
since nineteen eighty seven, and she made a lot of
money over the years, made some good stock picks, I
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guess they But but that's a great topic. That's a
great and by the way, that's a topic that I
would say both Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals could
probably agree on because unless you're a member of Congress,
you don't have access to the information.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That they have.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So we're all we're all on the outside looking in,
if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Absolutely, it's there. We're they're in a club and we're
as Carlin once said, and yeah, so that way, maybe
you could circle if you're if you're in a place
and you've got family members that are trying to pick sides,
maybe just pick something like a spaceship or how they're
all getting rich and well, I think the.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
One about I did not realize about that, but greet
that there's there, there's it's an equal opportunity of fenders
list because there's a lot of them who go down
there and do very well. And of course that doesn't
even count the ones who leave Congress and become lobbyist
on K Street. I mean, it's if you get elected
to Congress, it's it's it provides a good pension after
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so many years. There's a lot to like about being
a member of Congress, that's for sure. Hey, I love
your call, Matthew. Is this your first time calling the
show or have you called before?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
This is my first time calling the show.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
And I'm moved to the area.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, you bet you. We have our digital studio audience.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
You know that that welcomes people. Where'd you move in from?
You sound like a little bit of a Southern accent.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I'm from Tennessee, Tennessee, all right.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I have a lot of friends in Tennessee. We're heard
in Tennessee, believe it or not. We have a lot
of listeners, uh, anywhere east of the Mississippi River. So
you know, please become a regular, Please listen to Nightside.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
And I do I do not care what side of
the spectrum you're on. What it's a way of saying,
I don't care what you think. All I want to
make sure is you're thinking. And you are obviously a
perfect night Side caller and listener because you have thought
and brought up a couple of topics which I wouldn't
have thought of. By the way, the professor who's following
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that asteroid is a fellow named Avi Lobe, Professor A. V. A. V.
Lob at Harvard. We've had him on beshore before, and
I'll try to get him on next week if if,
if that would be of interest to you.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Of course, of course it would. Hey, what can I
give you one more thing?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
All right, you were talking of about earlier about the
DC attack. Yes, I sometimes I think that I get
a little bit too conspiratory, conspiratorial with my thought process.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Okay, that's that's not a bad position to have, But
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I just know that you know, Trump brought in uh,
the National Guard before when I think they beat up
that one kid, he was like an influencer or something.
They beat up that one kid.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, there was there was a young man from Massachusetts
who was working as an intern and as a congressional intern,
who was caught right in a gunfire. There was a
kid from I think the West Coast who President Trump
had in the Oval office. I think the kid's first
name is Andy. He's an Asian American kid. Who has
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been beaten up out there because he's done some reporting
in Portland, Oregon on the the activities out there. I
know of whom you speak.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Do you do you? Once again, Like I said, sometimes
my thoughts get a little bit too conspiratorial, But maybe
this one isn't. Doesn't thing just real convenient for this
to happen right before a massive holiday to bring in
more stuff to Washington, DC. Really start cracking down, you know,
cracking down on the whatever violent elements that may be perceived.
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I'd love to hear your thought I and I'll take
your response off.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, I'll just give it you real quickly. I'll give
it you real quickly. It sounds to me like from
what I'm reading, and it's very early. You heard me
mention it. This guy apparently lived in Washington State, so
here he's three thousand miles away, and he comes around
the corner with a gun, according to all the reports,
and opens fire on two members of the West Virginia
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National Guard. That says to me, nutcake or somebody who
came here with a purpose. It doesn't it doesn't look
like it's something that has been created by the guy
government to increase the amount of police activity in Washington,
d C. I I do not buy that. I just
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think that. You know, I'm willing always to consider conspiracies,
but I think this is this is a lone wolf,
real really lone wolf guy who came across the country
to do something crazy. And I have no idea if
this guy is a terrorist or if he's disaffect you know,
disaffected with the United States. It's very early. Let's hold
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our fire, let's hold our thoughts until more information comes out.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Okay, I like the way you think.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
My friend work back at you. Thank you, Matthew. Look
forward to the second call, my new favorite call right now.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Okay, thanks all muchll you buddy, Yeah, trust me, I'll
be on there.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Thank you, appreciate very much. Okay, I got some lines here,
six seven thirty and six seven thirty. I am working tonight.
Don't make me work too hard. Okay. You know what
I think, you know what I think. I think. You
gotta be smart and you got to play the situation
that that comes comes to you. If you're in a
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room where there's a whole bunch of people who have
opinions politically, go for it. Go for it, and maybe
you may want to try at some point to say hey,
time out. We as as the CNN commentator did over
the weekend, Michael Muss skirmish, Sir skirmish, I believe is
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how it's pronounced. It's a tough name. It's not Dan Ray.
And he was saying that we agree on more things
than we disagree. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.
Will you will there be politics as a side dish
at your Thanksgiving table tomorrow? And when I say your
Thanksgiving table, I don't mean necessarily, I mean whatever Thanksgiving
table you're sitting at, whether you're hosting or you're a guest.
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And if it's brought up, what will you do? Okay?
Will you you join the fray? Or will you try?
Will you walk out of the room? What will you do?
Look it is, it is a day that does not
necessarily need politics, but it's always there, and I'm assuming
it gets brought up. What will your reaction be or
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will you be someone who will lead with it and
who will open up the conversation? Coming back on Night Side,
we got three lines Let's go six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty, six seven, nine, three, ten thirty. Coming
back on Night Side.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Night Side Thought with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
By the way, this story in Washington is developing. UH
two National guardsmen ambushing what the mayor has called an
apparent targeted shooting near the White House in Washington on Wednesday,
leaving them in critical condisi condition. The suspected gunman has
been identified by law enforcement. Now has been identified, and
this is this is according to the Washington d C. Well,
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this is ABC News. Actually Pierre Thomas as the lead
reporter here as a really solid ABC reporter. The suspected
government has identified by law enforcement as twenty nine year
old Romanola lock and Wall. Multiple law enforcement sources familiar
with the investigation told ABC News lack of Wall is
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believed to be from Afghanistan, came to the United States
in twenty twenty one under the Biden administration. The sources
said he applied for silent in twenty twenty four and
was granted asylum in April of twenty twenty five under
the Trump administration, according to three law enforcement sources. Sources
said that the FBI is currently investigating the shooting as
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a potential act of international terrorism, suggesting authorities are trying
to determine if it may have been inspired by an
international terrorist organization. Wow, that's some interesting developments. The guard
members a woman and a man, deployed from West Virginia.
We're conducting high visibility patrols at the time of the attack,
according to law enforcement officials. Next up, Nick As, It's August. Nick,
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Welcome back to Nightside. How are you, Nick?
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Hi?
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Dan?
Speaker 7 (23:13):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I'm great? Thank you for calling in, particularly here on
Thanksgiving Eve. I'm working your calling. I love to know
when when all of a sudden someone tries to serve
a side dish of politics tomorrow at your Thanksgiving dinner.
What's your reaction going to be?
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Well, I get a change around a little. Uh sure,
I want to It's how can I say that? I'll
make this short. I grew up an Italian family, Italians
singing my father's to saying my mother Italian. Five siblings
me included my brother and three sisters. All right, there
was never a word to words said Democrat, Republican, even independent.
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I don't just know if there was independent then all right,
it was only about holiday, thanks Thanksgiving good. The same
thing when I started having children with my wife Karen.
The three sons picture or just know that you're sitting
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at a table, the mother, the father, and your children,
daughters and signs who were my case three sons number once,
I mean they were toddless. I would like to say
that maybe it does is just like it's a holiday
for enjoyment and family food, Thanksgiving just for Christmas. Why
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why is there always in this new day and age,
Why is it that politics have to be involved? It
wasn't when I was a kid. And I'm sixty nine
years old now, yeah, a sixty nine birthday.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, well look, I'm not saying it has to be
I'm just saying that I think that it is a
subject that is at the top of mind of a
lot lot of people. And now you're describing a very
traditional Thanksgiving arrangement with your family, which you remember. Well,
I don't think we talked politics when I was a
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kid in my family either, But I do think that
politics has become very pervasive. And I think that there
will be Thanksgiving dinners tomorrow where someone will bring it
up and maybe people will respond and engage in the conversation.
Maybe they won't. I'm just asking what are people going
to do? You obviously do you know, everyone who's going
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to be with you tomorrow after tomorrow during the day.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
No, just my oldest sons in my wife. But I'm
going back to when there with toddlers and just like
when I was a kid with my brother.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I understand. No, you're saying that historically there's been no
conversation like that in your family, which is great. You've
enjoyed the holidays. I but I well, you know, there
have been different times. I'm sure that back in the
late sixties early seventies there was some conversation about the
Vietnam War and draft card burning and stuff like that,
and there probably was sometimes when they would talk about
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you know, Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky or whatever. I
just think it's one of those times where people may
bring it up or they may choose not to. And
I think that it's great what you will be doing tomorrow.
You know, you're the people who will be there, and
you know it's not gonna be brought up. There will
be some people, though, who are going to Thanksgiving dinner
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tomorrow and they're going to see Jaeus. What do I
do if Uncle Harry has a couple of beers and
starts talking about how he loves Donald Trump, Or what
do I do when Aunt Millie, you know, has her
Hillary Clinton button on and says we still should have
liked Hillary president. That's all I'm saying. I'm trying to
I'm trying to lighten it up a little bit and
give people a chance to think about what they would do.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
That's but I mean maybe I just maybe, as I
got to be fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, you know, going out,
you know, we have dinner and then going out and
seeing my friends or girlfriend whoever.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
But I'm just saying, if just treat its still a
doubts there, treat it this, but there's toddles there. Just
leave the politics out.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
All right? Fair enough, you're the other first vote for
leave the politics out. There may be more people out
there than you realize. And you had the coverage to call.
I hope some other folks call. Whether they agree to
disagree with you, we can. We'll talk it out here
at night side. Nick, Thanks so much, Thanks so much calling.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Have a happy Thanksgiving one.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
More than yeah, I miss your intro. This is the
first time I'm talking to you. I used to call
Bradley Jay in the overnight years ago, but I loved
your intro before you are what the intro was? Back
to which talk and the smartest man on radio. I
love the show.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well, Nick, first time calling. We got to give you
rather Claus. This is great. Two first time callers right
in a row. Again. You seem to be a voice
of reason as well. So please come on back soon.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I will and have a great Thanksgiving. Say happy Thanksgiving
everybody in your family for us. Thank you. Talk to
you SOTUD.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
All right, we're going to take a break. We're coming
up on ten forty five. Don't want to short change anybody.
And I'd like to see these lines getting a little
more active. On the six one, Nick presented and dipped
an interesting point of view. Both callers, Matthew and Nick
have been fabulous callers. I want to hear from you
six one seven, four ten thirty six one seven, nine
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three ten thirty. I am here. This is not taped.
I should emphasize you're not listening to a replay of
Night Side. This is this is Thanksgiving Eve. I'm working. Uh,
I hope you're listening. If you're driving somewhere, join us.
Tell us where you're going to let's have a little
let's kick back, let's start Thanksgiving weekend here. I'm not
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looking to engage in a huge brawl, but I'm throwing
it out as a topic and a question. If you
have a better idea, feel free to join the conversation.
My name is Dan Ray, and this is Nightside on
Thanksgiving Eve, twenty twenty five. And we should all be
thankful that we have Thanksgiving, and we should all be
thankful that we have people tomorrow to share it with.
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And I hope all of you will be somewhere tomorrow
with friends and loved ones. That's my Thanksgiving wish for
all of you. Back on Nightside after.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
This, You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on you Bzy,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Back to the phones, were go going to go to
William in Boston. William, you're next on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Welcome, Hello, Dan, How are you tonight?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I'm doing great, William? What's your thought on Thanksgiving tomorrow?
When someone tries to serve you side dish of politics?
Gonna do well?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
You know, for our family, we're really not Trump supporters,
so I think, you know, if those conversations go there,
it'll be pretty much about the horror stories and the
things that have happened on his current so that there.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Would be a consensus amongst your family.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Okay, absolutely, And I mean even in America now, I
think what Trump pulled to what sixty seven percent disapproval
ratings recently within the polls, And it just seems every
day there's more shocking news that happens in this country.
And I think a lot of it really has to
do with his policies, his positions, his tweets, the messages
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that he sends to America that it's it's okay to discriminate,
it's it's okay to uh, you know, not support people
that don't look like you or maybe from another country,
and particularly if the black or brown. I mean, it's
just it's scary, it really is.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Okay, give me, give me the policy that most upsets you.
It sounds to me like you're concerned learned about how
he's treating black and brown people. Do you feel that
he's making a mistake trying to get people out of
the country who are actual who are here illegally and
are criminals or do you support him on that, but
you feel that the net that he has cast is
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too wide.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
I agree with the criminalis they should be gone, but
I do think that the net is too wide. And
I think these ice rays across the country were there
just going in and sweeping up people and you know,
taking them out of places where they work or whether
the landscape is or hospitals or restaurants. It's it's not good.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Okay, so something So let me just make sure I'm saying.
If someone's here illegally, uh, and these they he or
she has been identified as being here illegally, but they're working.
They're working as an orderly at a hospital, they're working
as a mechanic in a garage. Uh. They they should
not be deported, is what I'm hearing you say.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I don't what I'm what I'm here. What my position is,
I don't particularly care for the tactics in the strategies
of bringing ice into these cities, of them going around
and just grabbing people indiscriminately and then seeing whether they
are sistance or not.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I find that to be So what could he Okay,
if you were his advisor and he said to you, look,
I want you to give you some advice. What should
I do to get people out he's closed the border,
so the floor of people coming in the country certainly
has slowed, if not stopped. What should he do that
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would one accommodate your desire to see bad people who
are here illegally gone. And how can he do it
other than the way he's doing it, in your opinion.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
The better way I think he could provide, let's say,
amnesty and have conversations with people that are here illegally,
that are working, that are paying taxes, that are doing
the right thing, and look at some kind of strategy
of program or tactics that will allow them to stay
and work into become citizens in this country. I mean,
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who doesn't want to go to come to America. It
is the greatest country in the world, without a doubt,
and I think people are coming here and look for opportunities. Now,
are we saying that all immigrants are allegal aliens of
bad No. A lot of them are hard working and
they just want to do the best that they can
for their families, and you know, I think they want
to send money home. But I do think it's a
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political tactic that has been fruitful for Trump. I mean
I think that he is he has really well.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
It got be that fruitful if his numbers are that bad.
I mean, you know, again, you're telling me sixty seven
percent of the people, what else has he done well?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Time out? That's because he's elected now. But I think
those the messages that he was saying to get him
elected and worked them in the election. He struck a
raw nerve in this country.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Gott he got a little over fifty percent. It wasn't
a it wasn't a mandate. Let me ask you this.
They're hitting the drug boats coming out of Venezuela. What
do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
You know, I got to tell you well that I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I mean, you guy, that's okay.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I mean, I got to think about it. I mean,
you know, there's no due processes. It is pretty judgmental. However,
these people are doing illegal things, and they are in
international waters and they're bringing still have the resources, and
they're bringing drugs in. And I would trust the you know,
the FBI or whatever agencies monitor those things. I don't
think that they do it indiscriminately. They just don't blow
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anybody's boat out of the water. I think they probably
have uh information and intel the.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Tells, you know. I'm with you that you and I
together on that William great call. You got to call
more off are your first time caller?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Actually it's my my second time. But but I will
say what I want to before closing, is I do
think that Tansis are really high in this country now
because the consequences of his statements, his positions, and a
lot of the tweets and the kind of acts that
he's stirred up in his country. I mean the other
day is that did you see that guy in California
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just shot at that Mexican guy over we don't know what,
and and and people push them back and shototte. They're
out blowing whistles anytime I shows up, So it's really tense.
So to your point, if if I had a scenario
where someone came to my house and it was a
pro Trump support, I would deflect. I think similar to
what the other person said, I think, you know, that
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whole issue around aliens and the Atlas one that's coming
towards the Earth is an interesting topic, yes, because you
really can't you can't reason with zealous. I found that
people that love Trump love Trump, and there's just no
middle ground with them.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
There's not I think there are very few people who
are in bivalent. Let me put it like that, William,
I got to run one more in. Thank you much,
my friend. I hope you come get it more often. Okay,
thank you for the call.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yep, have a great one.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Let me go to Dave in New Hampshire, Davia next
on NIGHTSID Welcome, Hey.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Dan, Is it okay to talk about the thing you
were talking about with the National Guard shooting?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Sure?
Speaker 7 (36:17):
Okay, I was going to talk about Thanksgiving? But then
so yeah, back in you read Reason magazine very much.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I'm familiar with that. Can I tell you I read
it every month? But you know, I'm certainly familiar with it.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
Back back in nineteen eighty five, there was an article
there that changed my life to some extent. And it
was the rationality of their argument. They were saying, okay,
they were talking about terrorism in Ireland. They were saying,
you know what, this guy who's been charged, he's actually
they say he's not a terrorist, be because he didn't
try to harm bystanders or civilians or something like that.
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It was Bobby SAMs and he was charged with killing
a British police officer. I believe are a rough police
officer in Northern Ireland. That kind of a killing. When
you when you kill government people, that's an act of war,
but it's not terrorism.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well, I'll tell you I'm going to disagree with you
and understand that if someone comes here, uh and for
some reason, and again I don't, they're reporting this guy
as from Afghanistan. Okay. My suspicion is that if that,
we're not going to find that this guy worked with
US troops in Afghanistan. Somehow he got here. Let's find
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the facts, okay, which facts are stubborn things. Let's find
out why he came here. If he just decided that
he was going to kill a couple of National guardsmen
from Virginia who are simply doing what they have been
told to do, and that is to to patrol the
streets of Washington and has come all the way from
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Washington State, which is what's being reported, I would consider that,
unless I could be proven, unless someone could prove me
to the contrary, that's a pretty terrorist act. I mean,
I don't care if the guy, maybe we'll find out
he was just a nut job, you know. I mean,
I don't buy the idea that if you want to
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take a shot at a police officer because you don't
like police, or you don't like firefighters, or you don't
like people in uniform and you don't like National guardsmen
or you don't like US military's. That's pure terrorist, and
particularly when you're doing it within blocks of the White House.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
What we can agree about is that it's a horrific
thing that should never be done. You never go kinetic
against your own government. There's always better ways to fight them.
They are more effective.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It's called elections.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
Well, not necessarily, but it's you know, strikes are actually
considered to be the most effective way of bringing down
a government.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Well again, I don't think we've brought down a government
in the country since seventeen eighty seven, and I don't
think we're going to bring down a government within this country.
We've brought down presidencies and I can and I can
name several of them because of elections. Okay, in recent
within my lifetime, Joe Biden was turned out of office
because of his performance of the dates the debate stage,
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and people lost total confidence in his ability to be president.
Donald Trump lost in twenty twenty because of some of
the comments that he made. Hillary Clinton lost because she
was very unlikable. Dave them up on my break. Thanks
so much for your call. Enjoy the conversation. Keep calling
the show. Thank you much, Happy Thanksgving, good night. We'll
take a break, coming right back only one line six seven, two, five, four,
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ten thirty
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZST his radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm continuing to monitor this story out of Washington where
two members of the West Virginia National Guard were shot.
There were initial reports that they had died in the shooting,
but they are apparently both in the hospital in critical condition.
A male and female member of the West Virginia National Guard.
They're shot. According to the Associated Press, this is a
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story that has just cleared within like two or three
blocks of the White House. Apparently it was an ambush
of some sort. The suspect is who is in custody,
was also shot. Unclear as to who shot the suspect.
There are police and National Guard members throughout the Washington area.
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The suspect his shot. The wounds he suffered were not
believed to be life threatening. Sounds as if he is
in better shape than the two National Guard members that
he allegedly shot. This is all on the condition of anonymity.
Two law enforcement officials and a person familiar with the
matter said the suspect was believed to be an Afghan
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national who entered the US in September of twenty twenty
one and has been living in Washington State. Again, this
shooting was in Washington, d C. That would seem to
suggest that he would have traveled from Washington State to Washington,
d C. If the Associated Press article is correct. The
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suspect has been identified by law enforcement officials as Romanola Lockamwall,
but authorities were still working to fully confirm his background.
They said that people could not discuss the tales of
an ongoing investigation, and spoke to the Associated Press on
condition of anonymity. Why anyone would shoot members of the
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National Guard in Washington, d C. Is beyond me. I'm
sure this will be a subject that we'll be discussed
tomorrow as the situation is clarified by people at Thanksgiving dinner,
Which gives me the segue to invite all of you
to call in, because we have not touched this item
(02:26):
and I've saved it until tonight. I know many of
you are heading home right now, driving and maybe you're
at your own vehicle or you're driving with someone else.
Feel free to call in. We'd love to hear where
you are, love to hear what the weather conditions are like.
I know that as you go further west here in
New England, the weather's pretty nice right now, but apparently
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there are storms still in the Upper Midwest, so please
drive carefully wherever you are. And the question I want
to ask, and I want to ask it quite seriously.
Now nine years removed from the election of twenty sixteen,
when I think all of the bitterness that we are
dealing with recently really began to bubble up. That was
(03:12):
through the That was the election of twenty sixteen, when
Donald Trump defeated Hillary Clinton, although Hillary Clinton won three
million more popular votes, and that election is over. Donald
Trump's first term was served. Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump
(03:33):
in twenty twenty, and then Donald Trump came back and
was reelected, the second US president to be reelected after
having been turned out of office. So the question that
I have is, for nine years now, people have been
walking on eggshells when they go to Thanksgiving dinners with
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their family members. And I know that I've been cautioned
by my family We're not going to talk about politics.
And I have really no interest in talking about politics
at Thanksgiving dinner because frankly, I talk about politics all
week long with you folks. But my question is, and
I'd love to hear from some of you, what will
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you do tomorrow? Will you dutifully avoid any reference to
the Democrats, to the Republicans, to Donald Trump, to what's
going on in Ukraine, what happened tonight or this afternoon
in Washington, DC when someone decided to take it upon
themselves at ambush to members of the National Guard. We
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have no idea why, and there'll be more information on
this coming out. And if there is someone at the
table who decides to mention something politically, will you react?
And it doesn't matter whether you like Donald Trump or
don't like Donald Trump, whether you like the Democrats, whether
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you like AOC or Chuck Schumer or Bernie Sanders or
Zohan Mamdani. Politics are around us. It's as simple as that.
And I think that when you're enjoying people's companies company
for three or four hours, and particularly if there's a
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group of eight or ten or twelve or more people,
that politics, generally, if some sort, is going to come up,
in my opinion, so my question is what will your
reaction be. Can you have a civil conversation with people
with whom you disagree? Are you capable of that? I am,
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but I'm not sure that people are capable of having
a civil conversation with me. I'm not looking to get
into a fistfight, not looking to throw mashed potatoes across
the at anyone. I'm not advising that, but it seems
to me that it's long since past time. I joked
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around several Thanksgivings in the last nine years with you,
and sometimes I said, no, don't talk politics, don't under
any circumstances talk politics. Other times I've said, no, we're
your Hillary hat, were your Trump button whatever. So I
just want to hear from you, guys, what are you
going to do. I will promise you this. I will
(06:30):
toast all of you at some point with a glass
of red wine. And I hope some of you might
toast other members of the night Side or audience, and
maybe even me. I would appreciate that. I also need
to just take a moment. We're going to go to
break but I've set this up. I want to see
these lines fill up and we come back. We're going
(06:52):
to go to your phone calls. But I do want
to mention that Marita and I have made a decision
that we we will indeed have a thirteenth annual night
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at Nightside know we like to end our broadcast year,
at least my broadcast year. Both Marita and I we're
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happily married, not to each other, okay, but we take
the last week of the year off. So our last
show is on Tuesday night, December twenty third, and the
last hour or so we will interview people who are
involved in charitable activity. We call it the Night Side
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Charity combine. It was an idea of my daughter many
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If you go to if you are the head of
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a charity and you want to go to the head
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We'll give you four or five minutes. We will probably
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and you give an opportunity to find a charity you
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My cousin told me about this charity. It has something
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Nuff said. Six one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.
I want to hear from you. Are you gonna talk politics?
Is there a sided politics at your Thanksgiving dinner table tomorrow?
And if it is, will you will you try some
of it? Or will you say no? I am no,
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thank you no. I want to hear why will you
or won't you? Six one seven, two, five four ten
thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty. We'll
be right back on nights Side after a couple of
brief messages and we're going to go to phone calls.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
It's night Side with Dan Ray on w B Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
All right, let's go back to the phones. Are gonna
start it off with Matthew and Danvers. Hey Matthew, appreciate
your calling in.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Go right ahead, Hey Dan, Happy Thanksgiving everybody?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Happy Thanks given to you as well.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, great to hear you. Thanks for the great topic.
I have a few things that I wanted to bring
up to you about just sitting around the Thanksgiving table
with everybody. You know, they can get to get a
little on edge sometimes because you know, I find I
seem to be more of a centrist, but even these days,
being a centrist can make you even more of a
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target than being on either one of the other sides.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, I would agree with you on that, because then
they want to convince you, right.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, because now they're vying for
a position here, so they want to convince you to
come to their side or come to their side. So there,
that's a that's a no sum game. It's it's best
not to say anything at that point.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Well, I think it depends upon you. Got to know
your circumstances. What do you think? What do you what
would you what do you think your instinct would tell
you to do. If if you sitting there tomorrow, you know,
enjoying your your Thanksgiving dinner, and someone says to you, so,
what do you think of this Trump situation? Or isn't
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he the greatest president we've ever had? I mean, no
matter that, they'll ask you a leading question, what do
you do?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, exactly, You're right, a leading question kind of trying
to They're trying to stuns you out.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah. And it's and it may be somebody
that you really don't know, maybe the you know, the
friend of your host, a neighbor of your host, depending
upon your circumstances. I say, if, if, if you don't
know who the person is and they're just asking you,
turn the question around to them and say, no, what
what do you think? And you know, put the ball
(12:48):
back in their court.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That's certainly one way to go about it. I have
found that, especially in the last two years, the way
I go about it is a little bit different. What
I'll do is is, you know, people want to ask questions,
I'll just bring up stuff that maybe they wouldn't even
know about. So I'll bring up stuff that I'm interested
in like that, giant weird comet asteroid coming toward us. Hey,
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what's that all about?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, okay, that's the one that the professor from Harvard
is still looking at. I believe they're talking about late December, right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
A lot of them are talking about it. No one
knows what it is. It's doing a bunch of weird stuff.
It doesn't get as much you know, airplay as what
the politicians do. But actually, to me, that's way more
fascinating topic than talking about these talking heads that do
the same thing every year. And by the way, why
do we even care about these people to just close
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down Congress for months? Yeah, and they were still getting paid. Well,
no one else was like, we put these people up
on a pedestal. What pedestal do they belong on? Marjorie
Taylor Green, for instance, She's gonna leave, right, She's gonna
leave in Jenuel.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
When she came in, she was worth about I think
it said she was worth about seven hundred thousand dollars.
Now she's worth twenty one million dollars.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I had got that.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I gotta tell you that I have not seen that.
But if that is true, that Look, Nancy Pelosi was
the leader of the pack there. But boy, for Greeno
has only been there a few years. Pelosi was there
since nineteen eighty seven, and she made a lot of
money over the years, made some good stock picks, I
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guess they But but that's a great topic. That's a
great and by the way, that's a topic that I
would say both Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals could
probably agree on because unless you're a member of Congress,
you don't have access to the information.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That they have.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So we're all we're all on the outside looking in,
if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Absolutely, it's there. We're they're in a club and we're
as Carlin once said, and yeah, so that way, maybe
you could circle if you're if you're in a place
and you've got family members that are trying to pick sides,
maybe just pick something like a spaceship or how they're
all getting rich and well, I think the.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
One about I did not realize about that, but greet
that there's there, there's it's an equal opportunity of fenders
list because there's a lot of them who go down
there and do very well. And of course that doesn't
even count the ones who leave Congress and become lobbyist
on K Street. I mean, it's if you get elected
to Congress, it's it's it provides a good pension after
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so many years. There's a lot to like about being
a member of Congress, that's for sure. Hey, I love
your call, Matthew. Is this your first time calling the
show or have you called before?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
This is my first time calling the show.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
And I'm moved to the area.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, you bet you. We have our digital studio audience.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
You know that that welcomes people. Where'd you move in from?
You sound like a little bit of a Southern accent.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I'm from Tennessee, Tennessee, all right.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I have a lot of friends in Tennessee. We're heard
in Tennessee, believe it or not. We have a lot
of listeners, uh, anywhere east of the Mississippi River. So
you know, please become a regular, Please listen to Nightside.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
And I do I do not care what side of
the spectrum you're on. What it's a way of saying,
I don't care what you think. All I want to
make sure is you're thinking. And you are obviously a
perfect night Side caller and listener because you have thought
and brought up a couple of topics which I wouldn't
have thought of. By the way, the professor who's following
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that asteroid is a fellow named Avi Lobe, Professor A. V. A. V.
Lob at Harvard. We've had him on beshore before, and
I'll try to get him on next week if if,
if that would be of interest to you.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Of course, of course it would. Hey, what can I
give you one more thing?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
All right, you were talking of about earlier about the
DC attack. Yes, I sometimes I think that I get
a little bit too conspiratory, conspiratorial with my thought process.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Okay, that's that's not a bad position to have, But
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I just know that you know, Trump brought in uh,
the National Guard before when I think they beat up
that one kid, he was like an influencer or something.
They beat up that one kid.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, there was there was a young man from Massachusetts
who was working as an intern and as a congressional intern,
who was caught right in a gunfire. There was a
kid from I think the West Coast who President Trump
had in the Oval office. I think the kid's first
name is Andy. He's an Asian American kid. Who has
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been beaten up out there because he's done some reporting
in Portland, Oregon on the the activities out there. I
know of whom you speak.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Do you do you? Once again, Like I said, sometimes
my thoughts get a little bit too conspiratorial, But maybe
this one isn't. Doesn't thing just real convenient for this
to happen right before a massive holiday to bring in
more stuff to Washington, DC. Really start cracking down, you know,
cracking down on the whatever violent elements that may be perceived.
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I'd love to hear your thought I and I'll take
your response off.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, I'll just give it you real quickly. I'll give
it you real quickly. It sounds to me like from
what I'm reading, and it's very early. You heard me
mention it. This guy apparently lived in Washington State, so
here he's three thousand miles away, and he comes around
the corner with a gun, according to all the reports,
and opens fire on two members of the West Virginia
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National Guard. That says to me, nutcake or somebody who
came here with a purpose. It doesn't it doesn't look
like it's something that has been created by the guy
government to increase the amount of police activity in Washington,
d C. I I do not buy that. I just
(19:09):
think that. You know, I'm willing always to consider conspiracies,
but I think this is this is a lone wolf,
real really lone wolf guy who came across the country
to do something crazy. And I have no idea if
this guy is a terrorist or if he's disaffect you know,
disaffected with the United States. It's very early. Let's hold
(19:31):
our fire, let's hold our thoughts until more information comes out.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Okay, I like the way you think.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
My friend work back at you. Thank you, Matthew. Look
forward to the second call, my new favorite call right now.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Okay, thanks all muchll you buddy, Yeah, trust me, I'll
be on there.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Thank you, appreciate very much. Okay, I got some lines here,
six seven thirty and six seven thirty. I am working tonight.
Don't make me work too hard. Okay. You know what
I think, you know what I think. I think. You
gotta be smart and you got to play the situation
that that comes comes to you. If you're in a
(20:11):
room where there's a whole bunch of people who have
opinions politically, go for it. Go for it, and maybe
you may want to try at some point to say hey,
time out. We as as the CNN commentator did over
the weekend, Michael Muss skirmish, Sir skirmish, I believe is
(20:31):
how it's pronounced. It's a tough name. It's not Dan Ray.
And he was saying that we agree on more things
than we disagree. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.
Will you will there be politics as a side dish
at your Thanksgiving table tomorrow? And when I say your
Thanksgiving table, I don't mean necessarily, I mean whatever Thanksgiving
table you're sitting at, whether you're hosting or you're a guest.
(20:55):
And if it's brought up, what will you do? Okay?
Will you you join the fray? Or will you try?
Will you walk out of the room? What will you do?
Look it is, it is a day that does not
necessarily need politics, but it's always there, and I'm assuming
it gets brought up. What will your reaction be or
(21:17):
will you be someone who will lead with it and
who will open up the conversation? Coming back on Night Side,
we got three lines Let's go six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty, six seven, nine, three, ten thirty. Coming
back on Night Side.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Night Side Thought with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
By the way, this story in Washington is developing. UH
two National guardsmen ambushing what the mayor has called an
apparent targeted shooting near the White House in Washington on Wednesday,
leaving them in critical condisi condition. The suspected gunman has
been identified by law enforcement. Now has been identified, and
this is this is according to the Washington d C. Well,
(22:02):
this is ABC News. Actually Pierre Thomas as the lead
reporter here as a really solid ABC reporter. The suspected
government has identified by law enforcement as twenty nine year
old Romanola lock and Wall. Multiple law enforcement sources familiar
with the investigation told ABC News lack of Wall is
(22:24):
believed to be from Afghanistan, came to the United States
in twenty twenty one under the Biden administration. The sources
said he applied for silent in twenty twenty four and
was granted asylum in April of twenty twenty five under
the Trump administration, according to three law enforcement sources. Sources
said that the FBI is currently investigating the shooting as
(22:45):
a potential act of international terrorism, suggesting authorities are trying
to determine if it may have been inspired by an
international terrorist organization. Wow, that's some interesting developments. The guard
members a woman and a man, deployed from West Virginia.
We're conducting high visibility patrols at the time of the attack,
according to law enforcement officials. Next up, Nick As, It's August. Nick,
(23:09):
Welcome back to Nightside. How are you, Nick?
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Hi?
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Dan?
Speaker 7 (23:13):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I'm great? Thank you for calling in, particularly here on
Thanksgiving Eve. I'm working your calling. I love to know
when when all of a sudden someone tries to serve
a side dish of politics tomorrow at your Thanksgiving dinner.
What's your reaction going to be?
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Well, I get a change around a little. Uh sure,
I want to It's how can I say that? I'll
make this short. I grew up an Italian family, Italians
singing my father's to saying my mother Italian. Five siblings
me included my brother and three sisters. All right, there
was never a word to words said Democrat, Republican, even independent.
(23:53):
I don't just know if there was independent then all right,
it was only about holiday, thanks Thanksgiving good. The same
thing when I started having children with my wife Karen.
The three sons picture or just know that you're sitting
(24:14):
at a table, the mother, the father, and your children,
daughters and signs who were my case three sons number once,
I mean they were toddless. I would like to say
that maybe it does is just like it's a holiday
for enjoyment and family food, Thanksgiving just for Christmas. Why
(24:39):
why is there always in this new day and age,
Why is it that politics have to be involved? It
wasn't when I was a kid. And I'm sixty nine
years old now, yeah, a sixty nine birthday.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, well look, I'm not saying it has to be
I'm just saying that I think that it is a
subject that is at the top of mind of a
lot lot of people. And now you're describing a very
traditional Thanksgiving arrangement with your family, which you remember. Well,
I don't think we talked politics when I was a
(25:13):
kid in my family either, But I do think that
politics has become very pervasive. And I think that there
will be Thanksgiving dinners tomorrow where someone will bring it
up and maybe people will respond and engage in the conversation.
Maybe they won't. I'm just asking what are people going
to do? You obviously do you know, everyone who's going
(25:35):
to be with you tomorrow after tomorrow during the day.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
No, just my oldest sons in my wife. But I'm
going back to when there with toddlers and just like
when I was a kid with my brother.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I understand. No, you're saying that historically there's been no
conversation like that in your family, which is great. You've
enjoyed the holidays. I but I well, you know, there
have been different times. I'm sure that back in the
late sixties early seventies there was some conversation about the
Vietnam War and draft card burning and stuff like that,
and there probably was sometimes when they would talk about
(26:15):
you know, Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky or whatever. I
just think it's one of those times where people may
bring it up or they may choose not to. And
I think that it's great what you will be doing tomorrow.
You know, you're the people who will be there, and
you know it's not gonna be brought up. There will
be some people, though, who are going to Thanksgiving dinner
(26:36):
tomorrow and they're going to see Jaeus. What do I
do if Uncle Harry has a couple of beers and
starts talking about how he loves Donald Trump, Or what
do I do when Aunt Millie, you know, has her
Hillary Clinton button on and says we still should have
liked Hillary president. That's all I'm saying. I'm trying to
I'm trying to lighten it up a little bit and
give people a chance to think about what they would do.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
That's but I mean maybe I just maybe, as I
got to be fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, you know, going out,
you know, we have dinner and then going out and
seeing my friends or girlfriend whoever.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
But I'm just saying, if just treat its still a
doubts there, treat it this, but there's toddles there. Just
leave the politics out.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
All right? Fair enough, you're the other first vote for
leave the politics out. There may be more people out
there than you realize. And you had the coverage to call.
I hope some other folks call. Whether they agree to
disagree with you, we can. We'll talk it out here
at night side. Nick, Thanks so much, Thanks so much calling.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Have a happy Thanksgiving one.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
More than yeah, I miss your intro. This is the
first time I'm talking to you. I used to call
Bradley Jay in the overnight years ago, but I loved
your intro before you are what the intro was? Back
to which talk and the smartest man on radio. I
love the show.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well, Nick, first time calling. We got to give you
rather Claus. This is great. Two first time callers right
in a row. Again. You seem to be a voice
of reason as well. So please come on back soon.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I will and have a great Thanksgiving. Say happy Thanksgiving
everybody in your family for us. Thank you. Talk to
you SOTUD.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
All right, we're going to take a break. We're coming
up on ten forty five. Don't want to short change anybody.
And I'd like to see these lines getting a little
more active. On the six one, Nick presented and dipped
an interesting point of view. Both callers, Matthew and Nick
have been fabulous callers. I want to hear from you
six one seven, four ten thirty six one seven, nine
(28:47):
three ten thirty. I am here. This is not taped.
I should emphasize you're not listening to a replay of
Night Side. This is this is Thanksgiving Eve. I'm working. Uh,
I hope you're listening. If you're driving somewhere, join us.
Tell us where you're going to let's have a little
let's kick back, let's start Thanksgiving weekend here. I'm not
(29:09):
looking to engage in a huge brawl, but I'm throwing
it out as a topic and a question. If you
have a better idea, feel free to join the conversation.
My name is Dan Ray, and this is Nightside on
Thanksgiving Eve, twenty twenty five. And we should all be
thankful that we have Thanksgiving, and we should all be
thankful that we have people tomorrow to share it with.
(29:31):
And I hope all of you will be somewhere tomorrow
with friends and loved ones. That's my Thanksgiving wish for
all of you. Back on Nightside after.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
This, You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on you Bzy,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Back to the phones, were go going to go to
William in Boston. William, you're next on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Welcome, Hello, Dan, How are you tonight?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I'm doing great, William? What's your thought on Thanksgiving tomorrow?
When someone tries to serve you side dish of politics?
Gonna do well?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
You know, for our family, we're really not Trump supporters,
so I think, you know, if those conversations go there,
it'll be pretty much about the horror stories and the
things that have happened on his current so that there.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Would be a consensus amongst your family.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Okay, absolutely, And I mean even in America now, I
think what Trump pulled to what sixty seven percent disapproval
ratings recently within the polls, And it just seems every
day there's more shocking news that happens in this country.
And I think a lot of it really has to
do with his policies, his positions, his tweets, the messages
(30:39):
that he sends to America that it's it's okay to discriminate,
it's it's okay to uh, you know, not support people
that don't look like you or maybe from another country,
and particularly if the black or brown. I mean, it's
just it's scary, it really is.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Okay, give me, give me the policy that most upsets you.
It sounds to me like you're concerned learned about how
he's treating black and brown people. Do you feel that
he's making a mistake trying to get people out of
the country who are actual who are here illegally and
are criminals or do you support him on that, but
you feel that the net that he has cast is
(31:15):
too wide.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
I agree with the criminalis they should be gone, but
I do think that the net is too wide. And
I think these ice rays across the country were there
just going in and sweeping up people and you know,
taking them out of places where they work or whether
the landscape is or hospitals or restaurants. It's it's not good.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Okay, so something So let me just make sure I'm saying.
If someone's here illegally, uh, and these they he or
she has been identified as being here illegally, but they're working.
They're working as an orderly at a hospital, they're working
as a mechanic in a garage. Uh. They they should
not be deported, is what I'm hearing you say.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I don't what I'm what I'm here. What my position is,
I don't particularly care for the tactics in the strategies
of bringing ice into these cities, of them going around
and just grabbing people indiscriminately and then seeing whether they
are sistance or not.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I find that to be So what could he Okay,
if you were his advisor and he said to you, look,
I want you to give you some advice. What should
I do to get people out he's closed the border,
so the floor of people coming in the country certainly
has slowed, if not stopped. What should he do that
(32:38):
would one accommodate your desire to see bad people who
are here illegally gone. And how can he do it
other than the way he's doing it, in your opinion.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
The better way I think he could provide, let's say,
amnesty and have conversations with people that are here illegally,
that are working, that are paying taxes, that are doing
the right thing, and look at some kind of strategy
of program or tactics that will allow them to stay
and work into become citizens in this country. I mean,
(33:12):
who doesn't want to go to come to America. It
is the greatest country in the world, without a doubt,
and I think people are coming here and look for opportunities. Now,
are we saying that all immigrants are allegal aliens of
bad No. A lot of them are hard working and
they just want to do the best that they can
for their families, and you know, I think they want
to send money home. But I do think it's a
(33:33):
political tactic that has been fruitful for Trump. I mean
I think that he is he has really well.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
It got be that fruitful if his numbers are that bad.
I mean, you know, again, you're telling me sixty seven
percent of the people, what else has he done well?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Time out? That's because he's elected now. But I think
those the messages that he was saying to get him
elected and worked them in the election. He struck a
raw nerve in this country.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Gott he got a little over fifty percent. It wasn't
a it wasn't a mandate. Let me ask you this.
They're hitting the drug boats coming out of Venezuela. What
do you think about that?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
You know, I got to tell you well that I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I mean, you guy, that's okay.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I mean, I got to think about it. I mean,
you know, there's no due processes. It is pretty judgmental. However,
these people are doing illegal things, and they are in
international waters and they're bringing still have the resources, and
they're bringing drugs in. And I would trust the you know,
the FBI or whatever agencies monitor those things. I don't
think that they do it indiscriminately. They just don't blow
(34:45):
anybody's boat out of the water. I think they probably
have uh information and intel the.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Tells, you know. I'm with you that you and I
together on that William great call. You got to call
more off are your first time caller?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Actually it's my my second time. But but I will
say what I want to before closing, is I do
think that Tansis are really high in this country now
because the consequences of his statements, his positions, and a
lot of the tweets and the kind of acts that
he's stirred up in his country. I mean the other
day is that did you see that guy in California
(35:19):
just shot at that Mexican guy over we don't know what,
and and and people push them back and shototte. They're
out blowing whistles anytime I shows up, So it's really tense.
So to your point, if if I had a scenario
where someone came to my house and it was a
pro Trump support, I would deflect. I think similar to
what the other person said, I think, you know, that
(35:40):
whole issue around aliens and the Atlas one that's coming
towards the Earth is an interesting topic, yes, because you
really can't you can't reason with zealous. I found that
people that love Trump love Trump, and there's just no
middle ground with them.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
There's not I think there are very few people who
are in bivalent. Let me put it like that, William,
I got to run one more in. Thank you much,
my friend. I hope you come get it more often. Okay,
thank you for the call.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yep, have a great one.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Let me go to Dave in New Hampshire, Davia next
on NIGHTSID Welcome, Hey.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Dan, Is it okay to talk about the thing you
were talking about with the National Guard shooting?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Sure?
Speaker 7 (36:17):
Okay, I was going to talk about Thanksgiving? But then
so yeah, back in you read Reason magazine very much.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
I'm familiar with that. Can I tell you I read
it every month? But you know, I'm certainly familiar with it.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
Back back in nineteen eighty five, there was an article
there that changed my life to some extent. And it
was the rationality of their argument. They were saying, okay,
they were talking about terrorism in Ireland. They were saying,
you know what, this guy who's been charged, he's actually
they say he's not a terrorist, be because he didn't
try to harm bystanders or civilians or something like that.
(36:53):
It was Bobby SAMs and he was charged with killing
a British police officer. I believe are a rough police
officer in Northern Ireland. That kind of a killing. When
you when you kill government people, that's an act of war,
but it's not terrorism.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well, I'll tell you I'm going to disagree with you
and understand that if someone comes here, uh and for
some reason, and again I don't, they're reporting this guy
as from Afghanistan. Okay. My suspicion is that if that,
we're not going to find that this guy worked with
US troops in Afghanistan. Somehow he got here. Let's find
(37:34):
the facts, okay, which facts are stubborn things. Let's find
out why he came here. If he just decided that
he was going to kill a couple of National guardsmen
from Virginia who are simply doing what they have been
told to do, and that is to to patrol the
streets of Washington and has come all the way from
(37:57):
Washington State, which is what's being reported, I would consider that,
unless I could be proven, unless someone could prove me
to the contrary, that's a pretty terrorist act. I mean,
I don't care if the guy, maybe we'll find out
he was just a nut job, you know. I mean,
I don't buy the idea that if you want to
(38:18):
take a shot at a police officer because you don't
like police, or you don't like firefighters, or you don't
like people in uniform and you don't like National guardsmen
or you don't like US military's. That's pure terrorist, and
particularly when you're doing it within blocks of the White House.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
What we can agree about is that it's a horrific
thing that should never be done. You never go kinetic
against your own government. There's always better ways to fight them.
They are more effective.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It's called elections.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
Well, not necessarily, but it's you know, strikes are actually
considered to be the most effective way of bringing down
a government.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Well again, I don't think we've brought down a government
in the country since seventeen eighty seven, and I don't
think we're going to bring down a government within this country.
We've brought down presidencies and I can and I can
name several of them because of elections. Okay, in recent
within my lifetime, Joe Biden was turned out of office
because of his performance of the dates the debate stage,
(39:18):
and people lost total confidence in his ability to be president.
Donald Trump lost in twenty twenty because of some of
the comments that he made. Hillary Clinton lost because she
was very unlikable. Dave them up on my break. Thanks
so much for your call. Enjoy the conversation. Keep calling
the show. Thank you much, Happy Thanksgving, good night. We'll
take a break, coming right back only one line six seven, two, five, four,
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