September 25, 2025 • 40 mins
Earlier this week, President Trump and his Administration made claims about the correlation between autism and Tylenol or acetaminophen use during pregnancy, warning pregnant women not to use the drug. A mounting backlash has followed with medical and autism experts alike disagreeing with Trump’s claims. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and the American Academy of Pediatrics continue to recommend acetaminophen in pregnancy and childhood when used at the lowest dose for the shortest duration.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's nice eyes with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling you Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Okay, we just finished an hour with doctor Alfred Miller. Now,
doctor Miller has been on this program on several occasions,
and I find him to be a really interesting physician.
He is not in this for anything other than to
tell people what he believes. I know that there are
people who have gone to him and have sought his
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medical advice. He doesn't make any money with this. He
is a male clinic rheumatologist for forty years. He's retired.
You can find him on the internet and you can
listen to him. I find him to be extraordinarily intelligent
and extraordinarily compelling. I want to continue my conversation with John,
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and we can continue a conversation here. For those of
you who have just joined us and John, hold on
for ten seconds while I reset the the conversation here.
We had a pretty dramatic announcement from the White House
the other day suggesting that a pregnant woman should no
longer take a scene of menafin the evidence that I
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have seen, and I try to read as widely as
I can that this is maybe maybe the the the
intention is good, but there are no studies to back
this up. I have not seen any major medical figures
stepping out and saying yeah, this is great. I just
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think that that the potential for doing harm is great
as well. And when the President the other day, all
he had to say, I mean, people listen to Donald Trump.
So let me go back to John. If you'd like
to participate in this conversation, all you have to do
is pick up your cell phone or pick up your
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your rotor phone or what whatever you have in dial
six one seven, two five four ten thirty or six
one seven nine three one ten thirty. I think that
President Trump has made sense on some of the positions
he's taken. And I can cite the border, I can
cite what he did in terms of Iran and wiping
out apparently I think wiping out the Iranian nuclear threat
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at least for a while. But this one doesn't make
sense to me. It just doesn't make sense to me.
And when I just the cavalier way the President did
this the other day, Rob, if you have that Donald
Trump sound by, I want to play that Donald Trump
sound by one more time for people to listen. He
had no he was incapable of he wasn't prepared well
enough to pronounce the name of the medication properly. A
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set of minifit play that, please rob.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
First, effective immediately, the FDA will be notifying physicians at
the use of said.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Well, let's see how we say that.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I said mein acetamin he said, okay, which is basically
commonly known as thailand all during pregnancy can be associated
with a very increased risk of autism.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
So taking thailand all is uh not good.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
All right, I'll say it.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
It's not good. It's a medical opinion. I mean the
president he should have been if he was at that
news conference, he should have been standing behind the doctors
and let the doctors speak about it. Let the doctors
talk about whatever studies have been done. And these studies,
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you're going to have some doctor to do a study,
but it has to be a study that is accepted
by the medical community. Let me go back to John.
John has held through the hour. John, I didn't want
to cut you off. You go right ahead, continue, sir Dan.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I really admir doctor Miller. I was telling people in
the past months, I've known quite a few people did
by ticks. So he's done a lot of research I
had really admired doctor He's fascinating. So it's I just
had some questions basically, But I was just reading Dan
that is doctor Mary McCarry was behind, was seeing next
to Donald Trump. I believe another doctor and then Joseph
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Labadeaux was in support of and he's the surgeon general
from Florida who graduated from Harvard. And so doctor Marty
McCarey was referring to our doctor Andrea Barbara Kelley. I
believe that's our Baccarelli.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And now there's another doctor there who I've actually had
on my show. He's from Stanford. His name is It's difficult,
He's Irani and it's.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And and McCarry is that JOHNS. Hopkins? Okay uh? And
these these are are are are significant men. But I'm
telling you right now that I have seen nothing. And
if anyone can show me an article out of the
and people will say, well, the Times is unfair.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
If there was a group of you know, professionals who
say this came out of the blue, I think it's
Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who has decided that we had
to come up with something by September. And they come up.
They came up with Tilan Hall and the president. I
don't think the president spent any time on this, so
it's it's troubling to me. It really is troubling to me,
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because you know, a president can spend political credibility and
they can lose political credibility. Again, I interrupted you. I
didn't mean to do that. If you find it compelling
and you believe it, that's okay, But it's it's the
The dilemma now for young pregnant women is what do
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they do if if you were married, John, and I
don't know if you are or not, and if your
wife was pregnant, what would you advise her to do
based upon what you saw at that news conference the
other day.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
But let me just for a question, but just let
me finish. That was different, uh, Doctor Marc McCarry was
referring to the Hobbid Public Health, the Dena Hobbid Public Health,
who was who there was a cause of relationship with
the exact words, Doctor McCarey said, unless he's lying, as possible,
it could be designed. But he used to say these
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exact words from the Dena Hobbid Public Health that there
was a cause of relationship between uh, the prenatal seed
of metaphine and autism spectrum disorder. So he they were
saying it was in the August review, so it was
saying that there's more research needed. Was that was the
was the point that there was enough cause of relations
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there's enough problems already seen because they're disconnecting the dots.
So that's all I'm saying, is like Dan, I mean, see,
the benefit certainly is it's nothing to fool around with
because if you have a drink and one or two
seed of metaphors, it could causes liver prob so, uh,
it certainly is a powerful drug. So if my wife
was pregnant, I would advise her to stay away from
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the seat of metaphone just from I know people have
had problems with deliver from drinking and taking the seed
of medicine. But I'm just quoting doctors that I'm not
a doctor. But there's nothing wrong with asking questions. Just
like Charlie kirk ask us, well, doctor you're from Horviard,
you graduate from Hobvid, you're doctor Lappado graduated from Hobbard.
Now you have the Dean of Hobbard Public Health says
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has caused the relationship, then what's wrong with just having
more studies to see, Hey, this is enough, there's been
They've obviously have enough evidence there's something going on, So
why not have more studies? That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Okay, let me give you a little bit more background.
The dean of the Harvard Public Health dean Okay, Harvard
Health Health Dean uh Andrea buck Relly.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yes, well, now she's not the hobbit. I don't think
she's the dean, but Maddy McKay was quoting her.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Crimson. Okay, you consider the source. Harvard School of Public
Health Dean Andrea A. Baccarelli received at least one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars to testify against received one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars to testify against tailanol's manufacturer in
twenty twenty three, two years before he published research used
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by the Trump administration to link the drug to autism,
a connection expert says is tenuous at best. Baccarelli served
as an expert witness on behalf of parents and guardians
of children suing Johnson and Johnson, the manufacturer of tailanol.
At the time, US District Court judge Denise Kote dismissed
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the case last year to a lack of scientific evidence,
throwing out Baccarelli's testimony. In the process, he cherry picked
and misrepresented study results and refused to acknowledge the role
of genetics in the etiology of autism, spectrum to disorder
or ADHD. Cody wrote in her decision, which the plaintiffs
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have since appealed.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So cherry picked, Dan, I'm a little bit and when
they say he cherry But who's the heat.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
The judge, the judge in this case, the federal judge.
And I have no idea who appointed Denise Kote. But
I don't think this is a political issue. She was
referring to the expert testimony that and again this dean,
it says his name is Andrea A. Baccarellia Baccarelli. So
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he was paid one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. I
don't want to get into the weeds here, John, you're
killing my show right now.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
No, no, d to make it simple, Dan, I just
don't understand why you just can't get the science. Let's
just look at the science. Let's keep it simple.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
There is no there is no science on this, John,
There is no science. There are John, let me finish
their opinions, but there's no science. If this was a sign,
you know, a readily accepted scientific conclusion, I'm not saying
every doctor has to accept it, John, But when you
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have this much criticism, this is not political. I don't
think this is a criticism of Trump because it's Trump.
I think it's a criticism that there's no science to
back it up.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
That's what. Yeah, but that's what the that's what they did.
I'm agreeing with you. There. The doctor, the Gena Hobbubbouse
says more researchers needed, that's all. And it's it's very so.
And I noticed when you act, doctor Miller, I believed
in I could be wrong. I thought you said there
is like forty different ways you get beryllium. And then
he said there were three ways, and he said you
give a tick bite sexually transmitted.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Misunderstood. He misunderstood the question because there are three basically ways. However,
there are at least forty species of different type ticks
around the country who have the capacity to carry Burrillia.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Okay, and so if you will be clarified that fine.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You know, what look, he was on a phone. He
was having a little difficulty hearing when you're on a
phone listening to people on the phone, John, I got
to run. Okay, thank you, thank you. We're taking a break.
We're coming back. I don't know I want to, but
we're coming back. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.
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Those lines are full. Six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty. I am just presenting to you the way
in which this was presented by the President the other day.
It was incredible, incredulous the way it was presented. Okay,
if you want to believe it and stop taking tyland,
this is a free country. What I'm suggesting is you
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need to talk with your own doctor. Okay, that's all
I'm saying. The President, I think it was the worst
present that I've ever seen him make. And he's made
some tough present some lousey presentations. That's all I'm saying,
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you know. And if you're a Trumper, and if you
love Donald Trump, and if Donald Trump told you the
Earth was flat and don't take a boat because you're
going to fall off the edge of the Earth and
you're gonna believe it, fine, you could be a Trumper Okay,
I'm just telling you that, in my opinion, this presentation
is dangerous and this is serious stuff we're dealing with here.
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I've been associated with the New England. When I say associated,
I've worked with people at the New England School, the
New England Center for Children in Southborough for twenty years.
They don't know what causes artism. Something causes it. Okay,
I'm just giving you tonight with doctor Miller, a different
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point of view. That's all, nothing more and nothing less.
That's what we do here on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
By the way, tomorrow night at ten o'clock, we're gonna
have a couple of very special guests who have known
for years, David Wheeler and retired Telsa, Oklahoma police sergeant
Mike Huff. They have co authored a book, Killing My Father,
the inside story of the biggest FBI corruption scandal in history.
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I think most of you who have listened to my
program know my work on the Salvadie Lamoni case as
well as well as the work of Attorney Victor Garo,
who was my colleague in that case. Not professional colleague,
but we worked together side by side for twelve years
or more fourteen years. Actually, David Wheeler's father was Roger Wheeler.
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He was killed. He was set up by corrupt FBI
a former FBI agent H. Paul Rico, who was indicted
for the murder of Roger WI Wheeler. Sergeant Mike Coff
was the Telsa police detective who put the cuffs on
Rico in Miami for the murder of Roger Wheeler. And
they're going to tell you the story of the corruption
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of the Boston office of the FBI that not only
corrupted here with the Whitey Bulger Stevie Flemy connection, as
I'm sure many of you know a little about, but
it also stretched to Tulsa, Oklahoma, where Roger Wheeler was
murdered because he was set up, murdered by Boston, by
Boston based gangsters who have admitted to it, and set
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up by this corrupt FBI agent H. Paul Rico. It's
a part of the story, the Salvadi Lamone story. Uh.
And they will be with me tomorrow night. They've just
written a book Killing my Father, which is basically the
father of David Wheeler. Roger Wheeler destroyed a business, a
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family corruption in the FBI and comes I guess on
the day that James Comy has been indicted. So we'll
look at that case as well. Let's go to the phone.
I'm going to go to Christian Peabody. Christian, welcome back.
You're next on.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Nightsacker, right ind Thank you Dan, and thank you. Doctor
Millard is still listening. So to start, I'll just have
a I need a moment of time. But first of all,
we had a small barn with a horse in it
during a thunderstorm. The rain came, the light, he struck
the barn. That a barn caught on fire.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
The horse is dead.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Let's stop beating the dead horse. It's so my applaud
you on keeping your patience with what we have here
on the tile hall. There's such a multitude of facts
people can pick from, and then they pick and create
a puzzle. And they followed that tooth and nail, trying
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to get a certain point across, even if it's wrong,
and then they fall into what they believe, and what
they believe is not even based on any science. So
I'm going to bring a little white moment. Years ago,
Harvard had a thing about the eggs on the end
on the equatorial equinox who can stand though? They went
through a testing with it and said it's all a men.
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So the following season, when it came equinox again, we
had a glass polished morble slab to it. Thirty six
hours before the equinox, I got three eggs to stand
on their end on that model slab. They all had
a slight tilt to them. Over the next seventy hours
we watched the eggs move, stand up straight, and then
finally fall over. A day a little more than the
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day after the equinox, my father looked at me and said, well,
we just proved Harvard wrong. So the point I'm making
with that is listening to a doctor Miller Salt to
the meliciting audience he's giving you his website. There are
people out there and when you approach taranol, it's like
anything moderation, common sense. Talk to your doctor, because if you're.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Gonna go down anything that.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Is spoken or because this name is with it, that
name is with it, you don't know behind the scenes,
who was paid, what, who was offered, what, or what
their their intention was to make that be spoken.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Okay, Christian, let me let me let me interrupt you
for a second. Are you on a speakerphone.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I'm on the phone, but I'm in an area, but
I have to put it on speaker. But the problem
is i'm my territory of where I'm sitting. Am I heard?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Okay, it's very blurry. To be honest with you, I
think you've made your point, but I can't go on
because no speaker phones just don't work for for a.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
My location.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Well, then then the next time you call, don't call
from this location. I get the point. You're mad, but
I I have to protect the integrity of the of
the program.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
All right, I'm doing my best.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Thank you, Christian. All right, Well, I don't I don't
know if if you caught that that, but it was
tough tough to listen to. Six one, seven ten thirty,
six seven thirty. We're gonna take a news break here.
I am going to take a deep breath, and I
hope all of you who are out there and who
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would like to contribute to the conversation. We're talking about
the Trump administration's decision to advocate that pregnant women do
not take time at all. I don't think there is
the scientific proof that would be necessary to make such
a stark decision. That's my position. I think that the
President was ill prepared for that news conference the other day.
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I think it's patently obvious. I would ask you to
feel free to join the conversation if you would like.
I'm not looking to argue with people. I am looking
to run a talk show, which I think is sort
of a graduate level talk show. Last time we had
the president of Brandeis University, Arthur Levine, and he talked
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about changing the entire curriculum of universities and colleges across
the country. It's pretty heavy stuff, but I thought people
could understand it. We talked tonight about the day of AI.
AI is coming, whether we like it or not. Pretty
heavy stuff, but people, I think you can handle that.
And doctor Miller, who's an extraordinary physician and has helped
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so many people that I know of, and he continues
to do it to this day with no compensation. I mean,
he's not selling anything. We put people on the radio
all the time who are selling a book, who are
advocating on behalf in the eight o'clock hour, it's obvious
that you know you want to go see the blue
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Angels in New Hampshire or whatever. You're gonna pay some
money to go that, gonna go see a movie at
Coolige Corner. We like to make you aware of that.
But when we do the Nine of the Eleven, we
try to keep it at a very high level, not
so high that people can understand it. But I just
want to be able to have conversations with people. And
if I tell you that the major medical organizations have
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come out and said that the White House does not
have what it needs to have asserted what it asserted
about Tyland, all believe me. I'm telling you the truth.
I'm not here to hurt the White House. I'm not
here to help the White House. I'm simply here to
have conversations with my listeners. So we're going to renew
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that effort right after the news at the bottom of
the hour. Next up, we'll be Laurie, Josephina and Will
and if you'd like to get on, we have two
lines that are open six one, seven, nine, ten thirty.
That's what the show is about. It's been about that
for the first eighteen years, or eighteen years minus a
few days. It will be about that for as long
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as I run this show. We're coming back on Nightside
with Dan Ray.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
I'm Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Okay, let's get back to the calls, going to Laurie
and Melrose. Laurie next on Nightside, Go right ahead, Hi.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Dan, I want something to say right right away. You're
absolutely right. Anybody that's been paying attention and listening to this,
the networks and all the doctors and medical organizations all
saying that there's no testing to prove what they skated,
and that it's dangerous for women not to take it
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because of not just pain, it's also for fever. Yes,
other things can be caused by that. So I don't
know where everybody is, and they're just worried, so worried about,
you know, protecting Trump or something. It's silly.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Well that's that's my sense. Whenever I say something critical
of President Trump, a lot of people want to rush
to his defense, which is fine. But let's have at
least a conversation and if you can prove me wrong,
and you can tell me that there was a double
blind study done three years ago which proved beyond the
question beyond a reasonable doubt, there was a study done,
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I think of two hundred thousand people in Sweden that
that said it was that was inconclusive. I'm not an
expert here, but I do read a lot during the day,
and I feel an obligation. I'm not going to come
on and spew false information. My job is to is
to try to be fair and have a conversation with
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someone and not screaming at people.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
And you don't want to put you know, people or
women in danger for other conditions because.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
You know, I mean, I think, I think that autism
is this incredible mystery. I can tell you that twenty
years ago when I when I did a lot of
work with the New England Center for Children raising funds.
To be really honest with you, I did a lot
of their events. We had two children at the time,
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and we were blessed with two kids who had very
yeah they other than the bumps and bruises and the
colds and the flu that kids got, we were we
were blessed, uh And I tried to give back by
spending some time. I was introduced to the New England
Center for Children in Southborough and the parents I met,
parents of kids who were dealing with autism were just
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the most unbelievable people. In the world patient.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
Well, one one question doctor Miller was talking about, I'm
not going to try to even say that what the
you know from from the line disease the I don't
think that whatever the word was, brilliant, all right, Yes,
is there something I got? I got a slight feeling
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for him that he can decrease that someone. You know,
it's you know, something that could work on that.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah. But what he essentially, what he essentially believes is
that once you're you're bitten, you know, by some sort
of a tick uh, and the berrillia is injected into
into your into your system through the saliva of the tick. Uh.
If it's not diagnosed properly, if it's not treated properly,
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the berrillia uh gets into your body uh and eventually
disguises itself insists which are impenetrable uh. And what he
was saying that sometimes you'll get negative tests on LME
disease on berrillia because the brillier which is in your
system is encased in a and the only way that
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you can get the beryllia to expose itself is to
take these provocative drugs, which which I tried, uh, and
then I had a test and I came back negative.
But I must tell you I live in the Northeast.
I don't know if I ever had lime disease or not.
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I know some friends of mine who've had it. It's
such a debilitating disease. They literally laid in bed. I
mean it's almost like long COVID.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
I just wondering somebody to pursue that, to see there's
something they can do too.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah. Well again, I would. I would suggest that if
you are asking me on your butt, if you're asking
me the question, what can you do if you have
a lingering suspicion that you might have lime disease? He
gave out his email, which is doctor al Miller at
gmail dot com. I hope you wrote that down, Rob.
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I'm doing it for memory here, but I believe that's it,
doctor L. His name is Alfred, but it's doctor L.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
I don't know autism. I'm just thinking that they can.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So you're you're asking more about autism than lime disease.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Reverse reverse that, if that's what you think.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
If if what, there's a video that he will send you? Okay? Uh,
And again he's not he's not selling anything. He's not
selling a book. He's not.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
He believes that he believes that.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Show what I'm telling you is he believes that that
there are people who have lime disease. Uh, and that
the cause of the lime disease might be an infection
of Berrillia. Uh. And if if, if, with you know,
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proper testing, that can be determined and then it can
be treated. Uh. He sent me a video today of
a young kid who's about six years old, who, like
most kids with autism, perfectly find developments all about the
age of eighteen months and then they kind of go
into a shell. It's been described as people go into
a shell.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And this.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Big, bright, bubbling child now is just very internalized. And
this couple apparently they they did what doctor Miller suggested,
or they took the same course, and this little boy
now is on the road to recovery at the age
of four or five.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
Yeah, I know, I have Ah, it's really artistic.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
All right, Laurie, I'm gonna I'm gonna let you right here.
I I gotta I gotta keep. Thank you for your carl.
Thank you very much. Josephina in Braintree, Josephina, You're next
do on.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Nightsager right ahead, him, Hi, Dan, how are you?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I'll find Josephina, thank you for calling in. What's your
comment to a question?
Speaker 8 (27:51):
So I'm a parent of a child with autism, and
I'm sure I can speak for other parents in my
position who's count as I was questioning, like what did
I do?
Speaker 5 (28:03):
What have I done?
Speaker 8 (28:04):
What did I do? And you, you know, you take
on those years with a lot of guilt and sadness,
and it's awful. But then you realize, this is my child,
and if you have faith and love, you love that
child and you know that that's the way a child
is made, and it's you kind of almost stop yourself
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from questioning because it's it hurts you to keep questioning.
And then when things come around like this, it's like, okay,
you can't. If you're a human being, You're like, okay, wait,
this is coming around and there's like, oh wait, here's
a cure, right, so you can't stop helping yourself from blaming.
But then you're like, wait for the big cure. But
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then you think, my son is fifteen, and at my
son's age, what does that mean a cure? My son
is who he is, and you have to if you're
like a Christian or you just believe like that. You know,
things happen for a reason. You accept that. But I
do caution people that you know are newly married or
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going into having children, use common sense. Just use common sense.
You don't have to believe tile and all. You don't
have to believe, don't to believe anything. Just use common sense.
If you're taking something into you, you're taking something into
you and that could affect anything. And if there's a
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million ingredients in something that are you know, not natural,
maybe that's not great. But no matter what, have a
stance behind it and believe in it. And nothing is perfect.
You know, in the movie at Leave of their Own
they say, you know, Tom Hanks said, how does what
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makes it great? My life has not been easy, it's
not been perfect. My son's not always easy, but he's
my son. And you know, instead of finding like this
chuural of what happened, it's more to the parents that
are going into having children, like just think about what
you're doing and have common sense.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, and when you get these conflicting messages, it's difficult.
I must tell you. You sound to me like a lot
of the parents who I got to meet through through
that school in Southborough. The parents are amazing, are amazing.
Any child is going to test the patience of a parent,
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any grandchild. It's going to testimation, okay of parents and grandparents,
but you still love them. And your son who's fifteen,
maybe testing you in different ways, but I'm sure that
however he expresses it, he still loves you.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
And if I may, yes, they're the poem and it's
called forgive Me. I probably not totally correct, but it's
called something like something about Holland, and it's like the
story about you thought you were going to France and Paris,
which whatever whatever that is wherever people want to go,
(31:16):
but you end up in Holland and it wasn't what
you expected, but you end up going there as beautiful flowers,
and so you say, you know what, there's beautiful flowers.
So any parent out there that has a child with autism,
you were meant to have that child, that child is
amazing and accept that and you know, go on the
trip to wherever and get whatever you can out of
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that life.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Well said Josephina. Thank you so much for calling the
best call.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
Of Thank you, thank you so much, thank you, Thanks very.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Much, Josephine is so similar to the parents that I
met at the New England School for Children for many years.
There's they're amazing people. They look upon their children the
same way that any parent does. They love their children.
And I don't know why things happen to people. I
(32:10):
do believe in God, uh, as I've talked to you before,
but sometimes things just happen. And as as advanced as
our medicine is, we we don't have an answer for everything. Okay,
all of a sudden, the lines have loosened up a
little bit. I got Will coming up on the other side,
(32:30):
and I got room for a couple more callers. Six
one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty. For some reason,
everybody's staying off of six one seven. I hope those
beast lines have not been disabled. Uh give us a
call and we'll be right back here on Night Side.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I'm Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Back to the calls. Let's go to my friend Will
down in Long Island. Hey, Will, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
How are you, hey? Dan?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
I don't think this should be political, but everything this
guy says is kind of political.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
It reminds me of when.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
He was telling everybody, Oh, we're exploring you know, injecting
like disinfectants and stuff. And when he was out there
saying dark COVID. When he was out there saying, you know,
I get this. You know my uncle he was a
super genius. Then went to MIT. So therefore he understands
epidemiology and everything. He just he just talks in a
(33:25):
way that you know, makes everything political and obviously not
with much information. But on the other side, you can
look at a lot of studies. Actually there's one that
was you know, it was published in a lot of places.
Everyday Health is one of them, back on September thirtieth,
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twenty twenty one, where a study was done from a
group of experts from the United States, United Kingdom, Scotland, Israel, Europe, Canada,
and Brazil, Australia, all of them, and it talks about that,
although it doesn't directly link it. It says pregnant women
should avoid taking a cedar minifin unless it's medically necessary,
(34:06):
according to a consensus from these doctors, and then it
goes on to a doctor Neely from John Hopkins, talking
about the potential risks based on a study a review
of twenty nine studies that included the use of a cedamnifin,
twenty six of which found evidence of birth defects. They
also go on to talk about the end as a
(34:28):
diabetic that watches a lot of numbers of my bood,
the potential for non pregnant people with hepadic function, and
other things. There was also a study done.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Ony whoa, whoa, whoa. What's a panic function? I just
mentioned it?
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Padic hepatic your liver your liver? Ok so a ceda
menifit and those things. And obviously we a lot of
people know about that, especially people like me that follow
liver function and stuff kidney function because of you know,
diabeam okay.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
So what do you take some medication over the counter
medication for paid?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
So let's let's really quick though. I just want to
say there is obviously a trade off with every drug, right,
we know that there are side effects every drug. So
a lot of the doctors that even believe that a
seed of minifin can cause uh some birth effects because
there is also some uh some studies out.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
There that say that aceeda.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Minifin and and and and the drug that's in ibuprofen.
What's that one called again uh that they can cause uh,
you know, drops and amniotic fluid and cause other things
that may cause birth effects, not conclusively, but they believe
that there could be a thing.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
What do I use?
Speaker 6 (35:42):
I use.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I use it like.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Advil and ibuprofen, right, But I have to use it,
and I have to be conscious of how much I need.
And I also need to be conscious of the fact
that prolonged use and frequent use can lead to hepatic problems,
can lead to kidney problems.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
So they say.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Even the doctors that believe that a seed of minifing
can affect the baby's development, they say that in certain
situations obviously, like if a fever is very high and
a pregnant woman, that paramount importance is to bring the
fever down, right, But I also think that a lot
of people use it like very cavalierly.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Right, we take it.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I got a couple of pains to start popping all
types of pills, including pregnant women, all types of people,
because we see it as really not having much side
effects or being able to do any damage. And one
more thing, real.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Good, hold on, will hold on, Hold.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Okay, hold on, you know I'm not making it takes
forward again.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
No, no, no, no, But you've given me a speech, which
is fine, and that's not what I'm looking for. What
I'm trying to say is there are people. There are
women who will shoot Heroin while they're pregnant. Okay, that
can't be good for the kid. All I'm just saying
is that that I'm focused on one small point, and
that is the quality of the presentation at the White
House the other day. I thought was laughable, laughable. He's
(37:02):
up there saying, well, you know, as far as I'm concern,
it is not good. That's it. Not good, not good. Oh,
thank you very much for that, that medical guidance. And
he's got all he could have had McCarey speak, He
could have had any of the doctors that were behind him,
even in Robert F. Kennedy junior speak. That's all I'm saying.
We had.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Probably wouldn't he probably wouldn't have lost the election if
during COVID he actually let the experts walk the plank
and go out there and say all these things we're done.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
To being a clown and a room full of vipers
asking you got your questions, trying to destroy your Presidency
and he's out there talking for two hours.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Every yey, we're drifting. We're drifting away from what I
was hoping tonight, and I failed miserably to have an
intelligent conversation with my listeners. The best caller of the
night was Josephina, the woman who has a fifteen year
old son with autism.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I say, I also think that we're where we're not
looking at much evidence. I think I heard you in
a couple of the last callers say that there's really
no data or evidence or anything like that. And even
in August of this year, mouse Sie and I even
posted something on August thirteenth that researchers from the Icon
School of Medicine at Mount sci and I have found
(38:20):
that prenatal exposure to a city of a set of
medicine may run the risk of neurological development and fetuses.
So I don't think there's no evidence out there. I
agree with you that his presentation with this and with
most things and many things, he puts these things out
in a very awkward and idiotic type of way. But
(38:41):
there is reason to look into this, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
There's reason to look into anything before you make a decision. Well,
thank you very much for your call. Appreciate it. Thank you. Okay,
I got Janis at Melrose. Janis, You're called really late here.
I wish you called earlier. I'll give you about thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Go ahead, Okay.
Speaker 9 (38:58):
I just wanted to make the point which I made
the other day. All of those doctors did speak at
the press conference. The media did not cover it. They
all spoke. I've read everything they had to say, and
they are doing a huge study with their taking grants
for thirteen different people to do studies to look into
the causes, and all the agencies are working together. But
(39:20):
the media, for some reason did not cover it. And
I think that's a big disservice to the American people.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Okay, thank you very much, appreciate you. You got to
say what you wanted to say. Okay, what do I
got one minute? Okay, folks, I think I failed miserably
tonight as a talk show host. And I say that
because I think my callers had a different agendas and
all I wanted to do was to have a conversation
(39:46):
with people that might help other people. That's what I
will continue to do. One night side and If that's
the standard by which I failed miserably, I will fail
miserably every night, every night. Okay, I bring you the
best g yes I can find. We talk about cutting
edge ideas, and some of you just don't seem to
(40:07):
understand or appreciate the quality of the guests that come
on this program, not the quality of the host. I'm
done for the night. I'll end as always and remind
you all dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven.
That's why Pal Charlie Rayes, who passed fifteen years ago
in February, That's why your pets are passed. They loved
you and you loved them. I do believe you'll see
(40:28):
them again. I will see you again tomorrow night on
Night Side. No matter what I think, Ron Brooks and
I thank Marita, and I think all the calls, those
who tried, and those who came to make speeches, we'll
see tomorrow night
It's nice eyes with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling you Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Okay, we just finished an hour with doctor Alfred Miller. Now,
doctor Miller has been on this program on several occasions,
and I find him to be a really interesting physician.
He is not in this for anything other than to
tell people what he believes. I know that there are
people who have gone to him and have sought his
(00:29):
medical advice. He doesn't make any money with this. He
is a male clinic rheumatologist for forty years. He's retired.
You can find him on the internet and you can
listen to him. I find him to be extraordinarily intelligent
and extraordinarily compelling. I want to continue my conversation with John,
(00:51):
and we can continue a conversation here. For those of
you who have just joined us and John, hold on
for ten seconds while I reset the the conversation here.
We had a pretty dramatic announcement from the White House
the other day suggesting that a pregnant woman should no
longer take a scene of menafin the evidence that I
(01:14):
have seen, and I try to read as widely as
I can that this is maybe maybe the the the
intention is good, but there are no studies to back
this up. I have not seen any major medical figures
stepping out and saying yeah, this is great. I just
(01:38):
think that that the potential for doing harm is great
as well. And when the President the other day, all
he had to say, I mean, people listen to Donald Trump.
So let me go back to John. If you'd like
to participate in this conversation, all you have to do
is pick up your cell phone or pick up your
(01:58):
your rotor phone or what whatever you have in dial
six one seven, two five four ten thirty or six
one seven nine three one ten thirty. I think that
President Trump has made sense on some of the positions
he's taken. And I can cite the border, I can
cite what he did in terms of Iran and wiping
out apparently I think wiping out the Iranian nuclear threat
(02:22):
at least for a while. But this one doesn't make
sense to me. It just doesn't make sense to me.
And when I just the cavalier way the President did
this the other day, Rob, if you have that Donald
Trump sound by, I want to play that Donald Trump
sound by one more time for people to listen. He
had no he was incapable of he wasn't prepared well
enough to pronounce the name of the medication properly. A
(02:45):
set of minifit play that, please rob.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
First, effective immediately, the FDA will be notifying physicians at
the use of said.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Well, let's see how we say that.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I said mein acetamin he said, okay, which is basically
commonly known as thailand all during pregnancy can be associated
with a very increased risk of autism.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
So taking thailand all is uh not good.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
All right, I'll say it.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
It's not good. It's a medical opinion. I mean the
president he should have been if he was at that
news conference, he should have been standing behind the doctors
and let the doctors speak about it. Let the doctors
talk about whatever studies have been done. And these studies,
(03:46):
you're going to have some doctor to do a study,
but it has to be a study that is accepted
by the medical community. Let me go back to John.
John has held through the hour. John, I didn't want
to cut you off. You go right ahead, continue, sir Dan.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I really admir doctor Miller. I was telling people in
the past months, I've known quite a few people did
by ticks. So he's done a lot of research I
had really admired doctor He's fascinating. So it's I just
had some questions basically, But I was just reading Dan
that is doctor Mary McCarry was behind, was seeing next
to Donald Trump. I believe another doctor and then Joseph
(04:22):
Labadeaux was in support of and he's the surgeon general
from Florida who graduated from Harvard. And so doctor Marty
McCarey was referring to our doctor Andrea Barbara Kelley. I
believe that's our Baccarelli.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And now there's another doctor there who I've actually had
on my show. He's from Stanford. His name is It's difficult,
He's Irani and it's.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And and McCarry is that JOHNS. Hopkins? Okay uh? And
these these are are are are significant men. But I'm
telling you right now that I have seen nothing. And
if anyone can show me an article out of the
and people will say, well, the Times is unfair.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
If there was a group of you know, professionals who
say this came out of the blue, I think it's
Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who has decided that we had
to come up with something by September. And they come up.
They came up with Tilan Hall and the president. I
don't think the president spent any time on this, so
it's it's troubling to me. It really is troubling to me,
(05:26):
because you know, a president can spend political credibility and
they can lose political credibility. Again, I interrupted you. I
didn't mean to do that. If you find it compelling
and you believe it, that's okay, But it's it's the
The dilemma now for young pregnant women is what do
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they do if if you were married, John, and I
don't know if you are or not, and if your
wife was pregnant, what would you advise her to do
based upon what you saw at that news conference the
other day.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
But let me just for a question, but just let
me finish. That was different, uh, Doctor Marc McCarry was
referring to the Hobbid Public Health, the Dena Hobbid Public Health,
who was who there was a cause of relationship with
the exact words, Doctor McCarey said, unless he's lying, as possible,
it could be designed. But he used to say these
(06:20):
exact words from the Dena Hobbid Public Health that there
was a cause of relationship between uh, the prenatal seed
of metaphine and autism spectrum disorder. So he they were
saying it was in the August review, so it was
saying that there's more research needed. Was that was the
was the point that there was enough cause of relations
(06:41):
there's enough problems already seen because they're disconnecting the dots.
So that's all I'm saying, is like Dan, I mean, see,
the benefit certainly is it's nothing to fool around with
because if you have a drink and one or two
seed of metaphors, it could causes liver prob so, uh,
it certainly is a powerful drug. So if my wife
was pregnant, I would advise her to stay away from
(07:04):
the seat of metaphone just from I know people have
had problems with deliver from drinking and taking the seed
of medicine. But I'm just quoting doctors that I'm not
a doctor. But there's nothing wrong with asking questions. Just
like Charlie kirk ask us, well, doctor you're from Horviard,
you graduate from Hobvid, you're doctor Lappado graduated from Hobbard.
Now you have the Dean of Hobbard Public Health says
(07:26):
has caused the relationship, then what's wrong with just having
more studies to see, Hey, this is enough, there's been
They've obviously have enough evidence there's something going on, So
why not have more studies? That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Okay, let me give you a little bit more background.
The dean of the Harvard Public Health dean Okay, Harvard
Health Health Dean uh Andrea buck Relly.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yes, well, now she's not the hobbit. I don't think
she's the dean, but Maddy McKay was quoting her.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Crimson. Okay, you consider the source. Harvard School of Public
Health Dean Andrea A. Baccarelli received at least one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars to testify against received one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars to testify against tailanol's manufacturer in
twenty twenty three, two years before he published research used
(08:22):
by the Trump administration to link the drug to autism,
a connection expert says is tenuous at best. Baccarelli served
as an expert witness on behalf of parents and guardians
of children suing Johnson and Johnson, the manufacturer of tailanol.
At the time, US District Court judge Denise Kote dismissed
(08:43):
the case last year to a lack of scientific evidence,
throwing out Baccarelli's testimony. In the process, he cherry picked
and misrepresented study results and refused to acknowledge the role
of genetics in the etiology of autism, spectrum to disorder
or ADHD. Cody wrote in her decision, which the plaintiffs
(09:05):
have since appealed.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So cherry picked, Dan, I'm a little bit and when
they say he cherry But who's the heat.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
The judge, the judge in this case, the federal judge.
And I have no idea who appointed Denise Kote. But
I don't think this is a political issue. She was
referring to the expert testimony that and again this dean,
it says his name is Andrea A. Baccarellia Baccarelli. So
(09:34):
he was paid one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. I
don't want to get into the weeds here, John, you're
killing my show right now.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
No, no, d to make it simple, Dan, I just
don't understand why you just can't get the science. Let's
just look at the science. Let's keep it simple.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
There is no there is no science on this, John,
There is no science. There are John, let me finish
their opinions, but there's no science. If this was a sign,
you know, a readily accepted scientific conclusion, I'm not saying
every doctor has to accept it, John, But when you
(10:09):
have this much criticism, this is not political. I don't
think this is a criticism of Trump because it's Trump.
I think it's a criticism that there's no science to
back it up.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
That's what. Yeah, but that's what the that's what they did.
I'm agreeing with you. There. The doctor, the Gena Hobbubbouse
says more researchers needed, that's all. And it's it's very so.
And I noticed when you act, doctor Miller, I believed
in I could be wrong. I thought you said there
is like forty different ways you get beryllium. And then
he said there were three ways, and he said you
give a tick bite sexually transmitted.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Misunderstood. He misunderstood the question because there are three basically ways. However,
there are at least forty species of different type ticks
around the country who have the capacity to carry Burrillia.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Okay, and so if you will be clarified that fine.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You know, what look, he was on a phone. He
was having a little difficulty hearing when you're on a
phone listening to people on the phone, John, I got
to run. Okay, thank you, thank you. We're taking a break.
We're coming back. I don't know I want to, but
we're coming back. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.
(11:27):
Those lines are full. Six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty. I am just presenting to you the way
in which this was presented by the President the other day.
It was incredible, incredulous the way it was presented. Okay,
if you want to believe it and stop taking tyland,
this is a free country. What I'm suggesting is you
(11:49):
need to talk with your own doctor. Okay, that's all
I'm saying. The President, I think it was the worst
present that I've ever seen him make. And he's made
some tough present some lousey presentations. That's all I'm saying,
(12:09):
you know. And if you're a Trumper, and if you
love Donald Trump, and if Donald Trump told you the
Earth was flat and don't take a boat because you're
going to fall off the edge of the Earth and
you're gonna believe it, fine, you could be a Trumper Okay,
I'm just telling you that, in my opinion, this presentation
is dangerous and this is serious stuff we're dealing with here.
(12:34):
I've been associated with the New England. When I say associated,
I've worked with people at the New England School, the
New England Center for Children in Southborough for twenty years.
They don't know what causes artism. Something causes it. Okay,
I'm just giving you tonight with doctor Miller, a different
(12:55):
point of view. That's all, nothing more and nothing less.
That's what we do here on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
By the way, tomorrow night at ten o'clock, we're gonna
have a couple of very special guests who have known
for years, David Wheeler and retired Telsa, Oklahoma police sergeant
Mike Huff. They have co authored a book, Killing My Father,
the inside story of the biggest FBI corruption scandal in history.
(13:27):
I think most of you who have listened to my
program know my work on the Salvadie Lamoni case as
well as well as the work of Attorney Victor Garo,
who was my colleague in that case. Not professional colleague,
but we worked together side by side for twelve years
or more fourteen years. Actually, David Wheeler's father was Roger Wheeler.
(13:52):
He was killed. He was set up by corrupt FBI
a former FBI agent H. Paul Rico, who was indicted
for the murder of Roger WI Wheeler. Sergeant Mike Coff
was the Telsa police detective who put the cuffs on
Rico in Miami for the murder of Roger Wheeler. And
they're going to tell you the story of the corruption
(14:12):
of the Boston office of the FBI that not only
corrupted here with the Whitey Bulger Stevie Flemy connection, as
I'm sure many of you know a little about, but
it also stretched to Tulsa, Oklahoma, where Roger Wheeler was
murdered because he was set up, murdered by Boston, by
Boston based gangsters who have admitted to it, and set
(14:34):
up by this corrupt FBI agent H. Paul Rico. It's
a part of the story, the Salvadi Lamone story. Uh.
And they will be with me tomorrow night. They've just
written a book Killing my Father, which is basically the
father of David Wheeler. Roger Wheeler destroyed a business, a
(14:55):
family corruption in the FBI and comes I guess on
the day that James Comy has been indicted. So we'll
look at that case as well. Let's go to the phone.
I'm going to go to Christian Peabody. Christian, welcome back.
You're next on.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Nightsacker, right ind Thank you Dan, and thank you. Doctor
Millard is still listening. So to start, I'll just have
a I need a moment of time. But first of all,
we had a small barn with a horse in it
during a thunderstorm. The rain came, the light, he struck
the barn. That a barn caught on fire.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
The horse is dead.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Let's stop beating the dead horse. It's so my applaud
you on keeping your patience with what we have here
on the tile hall. There's such a multitude of facts
people can pick from, and then they pick and create
a puzzle. And they followed that tooth and nail, trying
(15:52):
to get a certain point across, even if it's wrong,
and then they fall into what they believe, and what
they believe is not even based on any science. So
I'm going to bring a little white moment. Years ago,
Harvard had a thing about the eggs on the end
on the equatorial equinox who can stand though? They went
through a testing with it and said it's all a men.
(16:15):
So the following season, when it came equinox again, we
had a glass polished morble slab to it. Thirty six
hours before the equinox, I got three eggs to stand
on their end on that model slab. They all had
a slight tilt to them. Over the next seventy hours
we watched the eggs move, stand up straight, and then
finally fall over. A day a little more than the
(16:38):
day after the equinox, my father looked at me and said, well,
we just proved Harvard wrong. So the point I'm making
with that is listening to a doctor Miller Salt to
the meliciting audience he's giving you his website. There are
people out there and when you approach taranol, it's like
anything moderation, common sense. Talk to your doctor, because if you're.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Gonna go down anything that.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Is spoken or because this name is with it, that
name is with it, you don't know behind the scenes,
who was paid, what, who was offered, what, or what
their their intention was to make that be spoken.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Okay, Christian, let me let me let me interrupt you
for a second. Are you on a speakerphone.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
I'm on the phone, but I'm in an area, but
I have to put it on speaker. But the problem
is i'm my territory of where I'm sitting. Am I heard?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Okay, it's very blurry. To be honest with you, I
think you've made your point, but I can't go on
because no speaker phones just don't work for for a.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
My location.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Well, then then the next time you call, don't call
from this location. I get the point. You're mad, but
I I have to protect the integrity of the of
the program.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
All right, I'm doing my best.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Thank you, Christian. All right, Well, I don't I don't
know if if you caught that that, but it was
tough tough to listen to. Six one, seven ten thirty,
six seven thirty. We're gonna take a news break here.
I am going to take a deep breath, and I
hope all of you who are out there and who
(18:22):
would like to contribute to the conversation. We're talking about
the Trump administration's decision to advocate that pregnant women do
not take time at all. I don't think there is
the scientific proof that would be necessary to make such
a stark decision. That's my position. I think that the
President was ill prepared for that news conference the other day.
(18:45):
I think it's patently obvious. I would ask you to
feel free to join the conversation if you would like.
I'm not looking to argue with people. I am looking
to run a talk show, which I think is sort
of a graduate level talk show. Last time we had
the president of Brandeis University, Arthur Levine, and he talked
(19:07):
about changing the entire curriculum of universities and colleges across
the country. It's pretty heavy stuff, but I thought people
could understand it. We talked tonight about the day of AI.
AI is coming, whether we like it or not. Pretty
heavy stuff, but people, I think you can handle that.
And doctor Miller, who's an extraordinary physician and has helped
(19:31):
so many people that I know of, and he continues
to do it to this day with no compensation. I mean,
he's not selling anything. We put people on the radio
all the time who are selling a book, who are
advocating on behalf in the eight o'clock hour, it's obvious
that you know you want to go see the blue
(19:52):
Angels in New Hampshire or whatever. You're gonna pay some
money to go that, gonna go see a movie at
Coolige Corner. We like to make you aware of that.
But when we do the Nine of the Eleven, we
try to keep it at a very high level, not
so high that people can understand it. But I just
want to be able to have conversations with people. And
if I tell you that the major medical organizations have
(20:17):
come out and said that the White House does not
have what it needs to have asserted what it asserted
about Tyland, all believe me. I'm telling you the truth.
I'm not here to hurt the White House. I'm not
here to help the White House. I'm simply here to
have conversations with my listeners. So we're going to renew
(20:38):
that effort right after the news at the bottom of
the hour. Next up, we'll be Laurie, Josephina and Will
and if you'd like to get on, we have two
lines that are open six one, seven, nine, ten thirty.
That's what the show is about. It's been about that
for the first eighteen years, or eighteen years minus a
few days. It will be about that for as long
(21:00):
as I run this show. We're coming back on Nightside
with Dan Ray.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
I'm Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Okay, let's get back to the calls, going to Laurie
and Melrose. Laurie next on Nightside, Go right ahead, Hi.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Dan, I want something to say right right away. You're
absolutely right. Anybody that's been paying attention and listening to this,
the networks and all the doctors and medical organizations all
saying that there's no testing to prove what they skated,
and that it's dangerous for women not to take it
(21:39):
because of not just pain, it's also for fever. Yes,
other things can be caused by that. So I don't
know where everybody is, and they're just worried, so worried about,
you know, protecting Trump or something. It's silly.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Well that's that's my sense. Whenever I say something critical
of President Trump, a lot of people want to rush
to his defense, which is fine. But let's have at
least a conversation and if you can prove me wrong,
and you can tell me that there was a double
blind study done three years ago which proved beyond the
question beyond a reasonable doubt, there was a study done,
(22:21):
I think of two hundred thousand people in Sweden that
that said it was that was inconclusive. I'm not an
expert here, but I do read a lot during the day,
and I feel an obligation. I'm not going to come
on and spew false information. My job is to is
to try to be fair and have a conversation with
(22:43):
someone and not screaming at people.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
And you don't want to put you know, people or
women in danger for other conditions because.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
You know, I mean, I think, I think that autism
is this incredible mystery. I can tell you that twenty
years ago when I when I did a lot of
work with the New England Center for Children raising funds.
To be really honest with you, I did a lot
of their events. We had two children at the time,
(23:17):
and we were blessed with two kids who had very
yeah they other than the bumps and bruises and the
colds and the flu that kids got, we were we
were blessed, uh And I tried to give back by
spending some time. I was introduced to the New England
Center for Children in Southborough and the parents I met,
parents of kids who were dealing with autism were just
(23:40):
the most unbelievable people. In the world patient.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
Well, one one question doctor Miller was talking about, I'm
not going to try to even say that what the
you know from from the line disease the I don't
think that whatever the word was, brilliant, all right, Yes,
is there something I got? I got a slight feeling
(24:05):
for him that he can decrease that someone. You know,
it's you know, something that could work on that.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah. But what he essentially, what he essentially believes is
that once you're you're bitten, you know, by some sort
of a tick uh, and the berrillia is injected into
into your into your system through the saliva of the tick. Uh.
If it's not diagnosed properly, if it's not treated properly,
(24:39):
the berrillia uh gets into your body uh and eventually
disguises itself insists which are impenetrable uh. And what he
was saying that sometimes you'll get negative tests on LME
disease on berrillia because the brillier which is in your
system is encased in a and the only way that
(25:01):
you can get the beryllia to expose itself is to
take these provocative drugs, which which I tried, uh, and
then I had a test and I came back negative.
But I must tell you I live in the Northeast.
I don't know if I ever had lime disease or not.
(25:24):
I know some friends of mine who've had it. It's
such a debilitating disease. They literally laid in bed. I
mean it's almost like long COVID.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
I just wondering somebody to pursue that, to see there's
something they can do too.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah. Well again, I would. I would suggest that if
you are asking me on your butt, if you're asking
me the question, what can you do if you have
a lingering suspicion that you might have lime disease? He
gave out his email, which is doctor al Miller at
gmail dot com. I hope you wrote that down, Rob.
(25:59):
I'm doing it for memory here, but I believe that's it,
doctor L. His name is Alfred, but it's doctor L.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
I don't know autism. I'm just thinking that they can.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So you're you're asking more about autism than lime disease.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Reverse reverse that, if that's what you think.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
If if what, there's a video that he will send you? Okay? Uh,
And again he's not he's not selling anything. He's not
selling a book. He's not.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
He believes that he believes that.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Show what I'm telling you is he believes that that
there are people who have lime disease. Uh, and that
the cause of the lime disease might be an infection
of Berrillia. Uh. And if if, if, with you know,
(26:54):
proper testing, that can be determined and then it can
be treated. Uh. He sent me a video today of
a young kid who's about six years old, who, like
most kids with autism, perfectly find developments all about the
age of eighteen months and then they kind of go
into a shell. It's been described as people go into
a shell.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And this.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Big, bright, bubbling child now is just very internalized. And
this couple apparently they they did what doctor Miller suggested,
or they took the same course, and this little boy
now is on the road to recovery at the age
of four or five.
Speaker 7 (27:30):
Yeah, I know, I have Ah, it's really artistic.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
All right, Laurie, I'm gonna I'm gonna let you right here.
I I gotta I gotta keep. Thank you for your carl.
Thank you very much. Josephina in Braintree, Josephina, You're next
do on.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Nightsager right ahead, him, Hi, Dan, how are you?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I'll find Josephina, thank you for calling in. What's your
comment to a question?
Speaker 8 (27:51):
So I'm a parent of a child with autism, and
I'm sure I can speak for other parents in my
position who's count as I was questioning, like what did
I do?
Speaker 5 (28:03):
What have I done?
Speaker 8 (28:04):
What did I do? And you, you know, you take
on those years with a lot of guilt and sadness,
and it's awful. But then you realize, this is my child,
and if you have faith and love, you love that
child and you know that that's the way a child
is made, and it's you kind of almost stop yourself
(28:24):
from questioning because it's it hurts you to keep questioning.
And then when things come around like this, it's like, okay,
you can't. If you're a human being, You're like, okay, wait,
this is coming around and there's like, oh wait, here's
a cure, right, so you can't stop helping yourself from blaming.
But then you're like, wait for the big cure. But
(28:45):
then you think, my son is fifteen, and at my
son's age, what does that mean a cure? My son
is who he is, and you have to if you're
like a Christian or you just believe like that. You know,
things happen for a reason. You accept that. But I
do caution people that you know are newly married or
(29:10):
going into having children, use common sense. Just use common sense.
You don't have to believe tile and all. You don't
have to believe, don't to believe anything. Just use common sense.
If you're taking something into you, you're taking something into
you and that could affect anything. And if there's a
(29:31):
million ingredients in something that are you know, not natural,
maybe that's not great. But no matter what, have a
stance behind it and believe in it. And nothing is perfect.
You know, in the movie at Leave of their Own
they say, you know, Tom Hanks said, how does what
(29:54):
makes it great? My life has not been easy, it's
not been perfect. My son's not always easy, but he's
my son. And you know, instead of finding like this
chuural of what happened, it's more to the parents that
are going into having children, like just think about what
you're doing and have common sense.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, and when you get these conflicting messages, it's difficult.
I must tell you. You sound to me like a lot
of the parents who I got to meet through through
that school in Southborough. The parents are amazing, are amazing.
Any child is going to test the patience of a parent,
(30:35):
any grandchild. It's going to testimation, okay of parents and grandparents,
but you still love them. And your son who's fifteen,
maybe testing you in different ways, but I'm sure that
however he expresses it, he still loves you.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
And if I may, yes, they're the poem and it's
called forgive Me. I probably not totally correct, but it's
called something like something about Holland, and it's like the
story about you thought you were going to France and Paris,
which whatever whatever that is wherever people want to go,
(31:16):
but you end up in Holland and it wasn't what
you expected, but you end up going there as beautiful flowers,
and so you say, you know what, there's beautiful flowers.
So any parent out there that has a child with autism,
you were meant to have that child, that child is
amazing and accept that and you know, go on the
trip to wherever and get whatever you can out of
(31:37):
that life.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Well said Josephina. Thank you so much for calling the
best call.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
Of Thank you, thank you so much, thank you, Thanks very.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Much, Josephine is so similar to the parents that I
met at the New England School for Children for many years.
There's they're amazing people. They look upon their children the
same way that any parent does. They love their children.
And I don't know why things happen to people. I
(32:10):
do believe in God, uh, as I've talked to you before,
but sometimes things just happen. And as as advanced as
our medicine is, we we don't have an answer for everything. Okay,
all of a sudden, the lines have loosened up a
little bit. I got Will coming up on the other side,
(32:30):
and I got room for a couple more callers. Six
one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty. For some reason,
everybody's staying off of six one seven. I hope those
beast lines have not been disabled. Uh give us a
call and we'll be right back here on Night Side.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I'm Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Back to the calls. Let's go to my friend Will
down in Long Island. Hey, Will, welcome back.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
How are you, hey? Dan?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
I don't think this should be political, but everything this
guy says is kind of political.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
It reminds me of when.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
He was telling everybody, Oh, we're exploring you know, injecting
like disinfectants and stuff. And when he was out there
saying dark COVID. When he was out there saying, you know,
I get this. You know my uncle he was a
super genius. Then went to MIT. So therefore he understands
epidemiology and everything. He just he just talks in a
(33:25):
way that you know, makes everything political and obviously not
with much information. But on the other side, you can
look at a lot of studies. Actually there's one that
was you know, it was published in a lot of places.
Everyday Health is one of them, back on September thirtieth,
(33:45):
twenty twenty one, where a study was done from a
group of experts from the United States, United Kingdom, Scotland, Israel, Europe, Canada,
and Brazil, Australia, all of them, and it talks about that,
although it doesn't directly link it. It says pregnant women
should avoid taking a cedar minifin unless it's medically necessary,
(34:06):
according to a consensus from these doctors, and then it
goes on to a doctor Neely from John Hopkins, talking
about the potential risks based on a study a review
of twenty nine studies that included the use of a cedamnifin,
twenty six of which found evidence of birth defects. They
also go on to talk about the end as a
(34:28):
diabetic that watches a lot of numbers of my bood,
the potential for non pregnant people with hepadic function, and
other things. There was also a study done.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Ony whoa, whoa, whoa. What's a panic function? I just
mentioned it?
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Padic hepatic your liver your liver? Ok so a ceda
menifit and those things. And obviously we a lot of
people know about that, especially people like me that follow
liver function and stuff kidney function because of you know,
diabeam okay.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
So what do you take some medication over the counter
medication for paid?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
So let's let's really quick though. I just want to
say there is obviously a trade off with every drug, right,
we know that there are side effects every drug. So
a lot of the doctors that even believe that a
seed of minifin can cause uh some birth effects because
there is also some uh some studies out.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
There that say that aceeda.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Minifin and and and and the drug that's in ibuprofen.
What's that one called again uh that they can cause uh,
you know, drops and amniotic fluid and cause other things
that may cause birth effects, not conclusively, but they believe
that there could be a thing.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
What do I use?
Speaker 6 (35:42):
I use.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I use it like.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Advil and ibuprofen, right, But I have to use it,
and I have to be conscious of how much I need.
And I also need to be conscious of the fact
that prolonged use and frequent use can lead to hepatic problems,
can lead to kidney problems.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
So they say.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Even the doctors that believe that a seed of minifing
can affect the baby's development, they say that in certain
situations obviously, like if a fever is very high and
a pregnant woman, that paramount importance is to bring the
fever down, right, But I also think that a lot
of people use it like very cavalierly.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Right, we take it.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I got a couple of pains to start popping all
types of pills, including pregnant women, all types of people,
because we see it as really not having much side
effects or being able to do any damage. And one
more thing, real.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Good, hold on, will hold on, Hold.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Okay, hold on, you know I'm not making it takes
forward again.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
No, no, no, no, But you've given me a speech, which
is fine, and that's not what I'm looking for. What
I'm trying to say is there are people. There are
women who will shoot Heroin while they're pregnant. Okay, that
can't be good for the kid. All I'm just saying
is that that I'm focused on one small point, and
that is the quality of the presentation at the White
House the other day. I thought was laughable, laughable. He's
(37:02):
up there saying, well, you know, as far as I'm concern,
it is not good. That's it. Not good, not good. Oh,
thank you very much for that, that medical guidance. And
he's got all he could have had McCarey speak, He
could have had any of the doctors that were behind him,
even in Robert F. Kennedy junior speak. That's all I'm saying.
We had.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Probably wouldn't he probably wouldn't have lost the election if
during COVID he actually let the experts walk the plank
and go out there and say all these things we're done.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
To being a clown and a room full of vipers
asking you got your questions, trying to destroy your Presidency
and he's out there talking for two hours.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Every yey, we're drifting. We're drifting away from what I
was hoping tonight, and I failed miserably to have an
intelligent conversation with my listeners. The best caller of the
night was Josephina, the woman who has a fifteen year
old son with autism.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I say, I also think that we're where we're not
looking at much evidence. I think I heard you in
a couple of the last callers say that there's really
no data or evidence or anything like that. And even
in August of this year, mouse Sie and I even
posted something on August thirteenth that researchers from the Icon
School of Medicine at Mount sci and I have found
(38:20):
that prenatal exposure to a city of a set of
medicine may run the risk of neurological development and fetuses.
So I don't think there's no evidence out there. I
agree with you that his presentation with this and with
most things and many things, he puts these things out
in a very awkward and idiotic type of way. But
(38:41):
there is reason to look into this, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
There's reason to look into anything before you make a decision. Well,
thank you very much for your call. Appreciate it. Thank you. Okay,
I got Janis at Melrose. Janis, You're called really late here.
I wish you called earlier. I'll give you about thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Go ahead, Okay.
Speaker 9 (38:58):
I just wanted to make the point which I made
the other day. All of those doctors did speak at
the press conference. The media did not cover it. They
all spoke. I've read everything they had to say, and
they are doing a huge study with their taking grants
for thirteen different people to do studies to look into
the causes, and all the agencies are working together. But
(39:20):
the media, for some reason did not cover it. And
I think that's a big disservice to the American people.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Okay, thank you very much, appreciate you. You got to
say what you wanted to say. Okay, what do I
got one minute? Okay, folks, I think I failed miserably
tonight as a talk show host. And I say that
because I think my callers had a different agendas and
all I wanted to do was to have a conversation
(39:46):
with people that might help other people. That's what I
will continue to do. One night side and If that's
the standard by which I failed miserably, I will fail
miserably every night, every night. Okay, I bring you the
best g yes I can find. We talk about cutting
edge ideas, and some of you just don't seem to
(40:07):
understand or appreciate the quality of the guests that come
on this program, not the quality of the host. I'm
done for the night. I'll end as always and remind
you all dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven.
That's why Pal Charlie Rayes, who passed fifteen years ago
in February, That's why your pets are passed. They loved
you and you loved them. I do believe you'll see
(40:28):
them again. I will see you again tomorrow night on
Night Side. No matter what I think, Ron Brooks and
I thank Marita, and I think all the calls, those
who tried, and those who came to make speeches, we'll
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