December 15, 2025 • 40 mins
The Brian Walshe verdict came down Monday with the jury finding Walshe guilty of murdering his wife Ana Walshe and dismembering her body. Criminal defense attorney Phil Tracy joined us to discuss the verdict!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray w BZY, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I want to thank my guess last hour, Bill Stewart,
he of the Stuart Hockey family here in Boston. Jim Conley,
who has college hockey writer, Gary Faye, former Brookline High player,
Boston University player, then an assistant in Northeastern And Howard Baldwin,
the former owner of the New England Whalers as remembered.
We remember the Boston Arena now called the Matthews Arena,
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who was making way for a new arena a couple
of years from now on the side of the old
Boston Arena. So farewell Boston Arena. He meant a lot
to a lot of us. Also farewell tonight to Brian Walsh.
The verdicts came down today that he was guilty of
murder murder in the first degree of his wife. The
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first thing we should do here is a start off
with the actually the pronouncement of the verdict. Rob if
you could please play cut number twenty six place.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Mister four person in the matter of the Cormonwall versus
Brian Walls, Norfolk Superior Court Criminal Type A number twenty
twenty three, Sarah zero.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Nine to one.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
As to count one, we're on the defendant, Brian Walls's
charged with murder in the first degree. What say the
jury is it defendent guilty.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Or not guilty? Guilty? Guilty of what, sir?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
In the first degree?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Murder in the first degree, So say you, mister.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Ford person, I do.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
So. Murdering the first degree carries a mandatory life in
prison sentence here in Massachusetts. The district Attorney Mike Morrissey,
who has had a rough time in the last two
or three years, particularly with the Karen Reid case, which
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was also a Norfolk County case, he was pleased with
the verdict cut number twenty eight. Please Rob, this is
the Norfolk County. Norfolk County District Attorney, Michael Morrissey.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
We've seen it in other cases where we've not had
a body, but this is the first one I can
remember we've had a first degree conviction, and I just
wanted to thank them profusely. I know that number, a
number of them passed up vacations, were holidays, and they
know what's expected. I mean, we took the job to
speak for victims and they did one heck of jobs.
Speaking of honest family.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So the at this point, you know, Walsh obviously will
have an appeal, an automatic appeal in capital cases in
Massachusetts with US now is Phil Tracy. He's been an attorney,
an attorney here in Boston for many years of criminal
defense attorney. We talked with Phil on the a couple
of occasions on this case, and tonight, Phil, the case
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is concluded except for the obligatory appeal that has always
filed in a case. Do you see any other appealable
issues in this case that repellant lawyers could hang their
hat on for for Brian Walsh.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
I don't see any appeal, real appeal in this case
because as Morrissey, to his credit, praised his staff, and
they've been through a lot, that staff and he too, Marrison.
They've been criticized from Stop the Bard and the reality
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is it is it's always a questionable case if there
isn't a book. But they put together with the police
excellent evidentiary, circumstantial evidence, the blood, the DNA, the hatchet,
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the fall of the getting to the dumpsters and getting
the things out of this and they did a great
job on the case, the prosecutors, and you know, I
don't see any way they can appeal it because there's
so much there that they go from the Texas which
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is the Google searches, to the chips, to the hardware
store to get some crazy items, will probably to try
to clean. But you know what, I've been involved in
the law for fifty years and I always remember that
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blood is very hard to get rid of. And they
have tools of special neon sort of lights that they
can spot the blood even though you might not see
it by the naked eye. But it's a tough world.
We're living in a bad case here, bad person, the
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terrible things that have happened from Australia to Brown University
of Los Angeles, California. It's just a tough, tough news day.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I think it's been a rough few days, that is
for sure, particularly here in New England with the Brown
University University shooting. It was interesting tonight. I think it
was ABC News led with the Hollywood double murders as
opposed to what happened on that beach in Australia over
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the weekend on the first night of Honkah. Tonight being
the second night of Hanikah and what happened at Brown University.
It took the jury two days. You've dealt with juries
in your career. Were you surprised that the jury needed
that amount of time based upon the weight of the
evidence that was presented. I was really I really believed
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they would they would finish up on Friday. They did not.
They came back and today within two and a half hours.
It was only five hours of deliberations in total.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Well, that's absolutely correct that that this jury obviously followed
the instructions of the judge. When you go into the
jury box, there's a lot of things that you have
to review and go through all twelve members. Uh, and
you know they've got to say, Okay, this exhibit is
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a hack saw on this back sort they found DNA
related to Anna and you know they fish that out
of some place. And the Google we have to go over.
Let's i'm a jura. Now, well, let's hear the tape
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of that. It was a tape of It's a recording
of him searching for ways to dismember a body. Let's
go through the garbage bags, the chain of custody, of
the of all of the evidence, and that's important stuff.
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I mean, you don't want to rush the judgment. Now,
A lot of people would say, hey, we know he's guilt,
let's just go right back in there. But I don't
think that that could lead to an appeal. If they
came rushing back in in ten minutes and saying he's guilty,
then they would say did you go through all of
the Did the jury go through all the evidence and
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weigh it and say is there rivaled out?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (07:20):
There is? And that was the right way for them
to do it.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, So it was about Finn.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
You know, juries are funny like that. Now, if it's
a Friday afternoon and you've been going through this case
for weeks, you might say, let's go home, come back,
we'll think about it.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
You know.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
That could have happened, Yeah, because they came back pretty
fast this morning.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, but again they may they may have come you know,
we'll find out at some point when some of the
jurors talk. But it could have been that the jury
had all but decided on Friday and said, look, let's
give the weekend to think about it. The gravity of
their decision. They could have gone murdered too, which also
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would have been a life sentence, but he would have
been parole eligible, meaning he could have had a parole
hearing fifteen years from now. That would have been a
compromise verdict by thinking in this set of circumstances, Phil,
It's it was a shocking crime. And you and I
talked today about some of the other crimes. How people
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get themselves in that situation when you know the simple solution,
you know, divorce, move on and yeah, split up whatever
assets there might be. I mean, this guy, when we
get back, I'm going to ask you to put yourself
in his mindset tonight as he is sleeping on what
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is the first day of his life in prison without parole,
and what his lawyers are thinking tonight too. I want
to pick your mind over that. And I also want
to invite people to call and ask questions or make comments.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one, ten thirty. It's a Monday night, cold
Monday night. Hope wherever you are you are a warm,
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warm out there. We spent the first hour talking about
the passing of the the Boston Arena, and this hour
we're getting back to a more contemporary issue, and that
is the conviction today of Brian Walsh for murder in
the first degree, which means absent and appeal, which there
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will be an obligatory appeal no matter what. But even
if there were serious issues, the chances are this gentleman
will spend the rest of this man I shouldn't say, gentlemen,
this man will spend the rest of his life, his
natural life, in prison here in Massachusetts. If you have
a question, a comment, and observation, you got the number
six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six one seven, nine, three,
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one ten thirty. Uh. No, sympathy should go towards Brian Walsh.
He did what he has been convicted of. But I
can just imagine what must be going through his mind tonight,
and what must be going through the minds of the
three children in this case, who now have a father
who they probably will never see in prison and a
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mother who is dead. Back on Nightside with Attorney Phil Tracy,
right after this quick break.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Night Side with Dan Ray on w B Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We're joining about the Brian Walsh conviction today. I can't
imagine this anyone in our audience who followed this case, Phil,
who would quibble with the conviction, with the jury's decision.
I think the jury got it right. The Norfolk County
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Mike Morrissey certainly was pleased with this decision with God
heard from the family of the victim, who in these
cases we'd sometimes tend to forget the woman who was
killed by murdered by Brian Walsh's late wife Anna. This
is a Morrissey. He spoke with Inna Walsh's sister, who
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had an interesting comment cut twenty seven.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Please, Rob, we did hear from Honor's sister and her
cornat was justice has been served and we agrief all
hobbily with our coronuts.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, I think justice has been served. And this was
the wrap on the verdict by w b Z reporter
Penny Commit. This will give you a sense of what
it was like when that verdict came in at about
eleven forty five this morning. Cut twenty nine, Rob.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
The jury came in this morning looking a little bit
more dressed.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Up than usual.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
Someone was wearing a shirt and a tie. That typically
does indicate that a verdict could be incoming, they said.
After deliberating for about twelve hours, they reached the unanimous
decision finding Brian Walsh guilty of the first agree murder
of his wife Anna.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Take mister person in the matter of the Cormonwall versus
Brian Walls, No Folk Superior Court Criminal Type at number
twenty twenty three, there was there a nine to one
as to count one. We're in the defendant Brian Walls,
as charge of murder in the first degree. What say
the jury?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Is it dependent guilty or not guilty?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Guilty guilty of one, sir, in the first.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Degree, murder in the first degree.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
So say you, mister Ford person, I do guilty of
murder in the first degree. So say all.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Deliberty Jones, I do.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Phil Tracy, you've handled capital cases? Oh yeah, I think
you've been successful, more successful than others. Clearly this was
an overwhelming case. Does do the lawyers have an opportunity?
Obviously before the verdict, they could have met with their
client this morning and and perhaps you know, suggested to
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him that things did not look good or whatever. Is
there any opportunity? It looked to me as if he
was handcoff to shackle and taken away, and there wasn't
much of an opportunity for his lawyers to give him
any comfort or support.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Correct, Yes, that's correct. And I have stood beside defendants
and that's a very scary moment when the jury is
waiting to say you're guilty or not guilty. I have
prosecuted cases where you're standing beside or you're standing in
the prosecutor seat with a family back in the rows
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behind you, and you know that's if it's not guilty,
they're they're heartbroken. So it's a tense, tense moment. The
jury files in, it's just a little time before they're
going to render their verdict, and you know it can
be frustrating for all parties, as it may have been
for the in the read case, for the family of
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the deceased, because they went through a hung jury and
then they went to a trial. So you know that's
it's tough on all the parties involved. Now I don't
have any sympathy for him, but I do agree with you.
I would love to know that those kids have a
good life ahead of them, whether they're in Europe with
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her mother or in a foster home. I hope they're
all right.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, let me come back to the mindset of Walsh.
Above all, Brian Walsh knows what happened, and above all,
he knows the accuracy of the verdict. What do you
think goes through his mind tonight as he lays his
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head down somewhere in the Massachusetts correctional system. I'm not
sure if he goes directly to Susan Bearanowski or whatever,
but he has to know that his days of freedom
are over. Yeah, I mean, what do you think now?
And maybe his mind is so messed up he doesn't care.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
You know.
Speaker 8 (15:05):
Hey, I'm sorry, I mean no, just saying, I'm just
curious because of your experience, what do you think someone
like his situation when when he was walked into that
van to be taken back to, you know, to the
rest of his life.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
I mean, well, he I think he has intelligence, and
I think he has a criminal mind. The stories that
he tried to loot his father's estate, who was a
strange from him. And he also was convicted in the
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federal court of a serious art theft type case, which
you know, I mean he's it pled guilty to two
more crimes which can be added on to the life sentence.
So I suppose he he's not as shocked as somebody
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would be if they were innocent or they felt the
government had a bad case against them. I mean, he's
he knew what he did, and the worst of all
of it taking his kid to the low store or
wherever he's going to buy materials to cover up the
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Heenus crime. I don't like that at all, not at all.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's an amazing story. Uh he will you know a
few years from now people will not remember the name
Bryan Wallaf, You and I today were trying to recall
the name of Neil Entwhistle.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
A wwhistle Sure he shot his wife and baby in bed,
went to.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
England with the atention coming home. I believe you just
don't know what goes through these people's mind. I don't
know if this guy has any spiritual advisor, but I
would hope that somehow, someway he can he can reconcile
himself with whatever his guard is, at least so he can.
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It's impossible to put I guess the mind your mind
of mind is into where where his head might be today.
I mean, for.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Tonight, in a case where somebody had flew into a
rage with their wife. And I say that because it
could happened the other way around a man a woman too,
But in that case they regret what they did. He planned, plotted,
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and followed up with planning, disposal, planning. So I mean,
he you know, it's just hard to even think of
taking an actual saw or a hatchet and taking it
and the physical act of putting it into the body
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of what was your wife, the mother of your three children.
It's it's just impossible to understand.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
It is not easy to Oh, I mean, if you
think about well, it's impossible, just impossible to even contemplate. So, Phil,
I thank you for the time that you've spent with
us on this case. One final question, but do you
think that in retrospect his lawyers made a mistake in
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pleading guilty to not cooperating fully with the police and
basically disposing of the body member.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Yes, I think it was a total mistake, and I'm
not criticizing them because I think he had a hand
in trying that trickery aspect of it, and the ludicrous
explanation that he was she fell off the bed and
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she was dead and nobody would believe me. The three
little boy sleeping upstairs. Well this is all going on,
but we don't know how she was murdered. Now, in
some cases a person might find that some sort of
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a light from God, so he could say this is
what happened, this is where her body is, et cetera,
et cetera. Do I think he'll do that? No, I
don't think he liked that. I don't think he cares
about anything but himself. But absolutely, you know that has
happened in cases like that where there's nobody you mean, not.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Fills, I mean she The police were able to get
some of the dumpsters before they were they were transferred
to landfillers.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
But exactly, well, you know this in a case and
I have seen this where you had a missing body. Uh,
the defendant uses that as a leverage because the family
wants to find that body and bury bury it properly
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to say, I'd rather i'll show you the body is
if I get second Green murders in the first I
don't know it's happened before.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well what was he how? Yeah, I don't know. I
just think that depravity was so immensityes. Thank you, Thank
you for your time. I know that you probably are
in a courtroom tomorrow morning at nine o'clock somewhere.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
So yeah, I'm still kicking around, be in touch.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I'm sure there'd be another case.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Coming back to you. Take care, absolutely, Merry Christmas and
Jane brave of those children.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Absolute good final thought, Thank you Phil. All Right, we
are at ten thirty four, so I would love to
hear from some of you. You follow this case. It
was much more cut and dried than the Karen Reid case.
There was no group of people out in the streets
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protesting his innocence as they were in the Karen Reid case.
My question to you is your reaction to this case, now,
this peering, this client disappearing into a life sentence without
the possibility of parole. If there ever was a criminal
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defendant who I think had no support, no empathy from anyone,
understandably your reaction to the decision today. My feeling was
they could have come back on Friday and spared everyone.
But I think Phil Tracy made a really good point
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that the jury probably wanted to give it a few
extra hours of contemplation over the weekend. But this case
is over. But my question is how do you comprehend
anyone doing what Brian Walsh now stands convicted of. I
don't understand the anger that anybody could summon up, never
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mind against someone who they don't know, but someone who
with whom they have been married and someone with whom
they have had three children. It's it boggles my mind.
I'm sure it boggles yours. Six one seven, two, five
four to ten thirty six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty. I guess, if you believe in the Bell curve,
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there are probably three percent of the people amongst us
who are living saints. The rest of us are somewhere
in the middle, you and me included. But then at
the other end, I guess you do have two percent
or one percent, maybe three percent, and a perfect Bell
curve of people who are capable, capable of doing similar
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things to what Brian Walsh did, and that there's no
conscience whatsoever, maybe no realization that someday they will have
to face justice. Walsh faced justice today, he will face
justice every day for the rest of his life. And
I'd love to get your comments. Six one seven two
four thirty six one seven nine three thirty Not a
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fun subject to talk about. Let's have had it coming
back on Nightside right after the news at the bottom
of the hour, a little bit past the bottom of the.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Hour, You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZY,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Well, I can see from the response that no one
wants to offer an opinion about the depravity of the
Brian Walsh case. The verdict came back today with guilty
murder in the first degree, which I totally understand. My
sense was what took them so long? But I think
Phil Tracy made a great point and that that jurors
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take it seriously. They are holding in their hands the fate,
the lifelong fate of an individual. But as I during
the break, as I was thinking, if you think of
you know, I referred to sort of I like to
refer to a bell curve of life that there are probably,
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you know, three percent of the public who were just
really good people in every sense of the word, people
who we might call living saints, and then there were
probably three percent of the people in the other end
of the curve who are debraved. So I'm thinking to myself, Okay,
what else has been going on this weekend? Well, we
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have the shooting in Providence, Rhode Island. We still don't
know why someone would walk into a study hall or
into a classroom on a Saturday afternoon at four o'clock
in the afternoon and kill two students at Brown University
and wound nine others, some of whom I'm sure are
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going to suffer consequential wounds that will affect them, perhaps
for the rest of their life. And we also saw
what went on in Australia on that beach, Bondie Beach
in Australia, at a Honica service on Saturday night or
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Sunday night their time, I should say, in which these
two individuals, ironically a father and son, talk about the
apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Who decided that
they had the right and the authority to go and
dispatch and kill people who were simply out trying to
enjoy on the startup festival of lights Honicah. And I
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can't imagine. I cannot imagine how people could get to
that point, or how someone could walk into a building
at Brown University, one of the most you know, an
Ivy League college, and whether you like Ivy League colleges
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or not, they are prestigious colleges, one of the most
prestigious colleges, if not in the country for that matter,
in the world, and just fire at people. No, we
still don't know what this guy's motive was, whether he
was there to settle the score, or whether he was
there just to raise given a horrible act. My instinct
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tells me that there was some score settling here of
some sort. I don't know. I have no nothing to
base that on. I just don't understand why he would
pick Brown University, why he would pick that location on
Brown University at that time. None of it. None of
it makes any sense to me. I'm sure it doesn't
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make any sense to you. But I think that it's
important for us to talk about it because there might
be people out there who were so troubled they allow
their actions to take over their lives. Now we can
talk later on tonight about other more pleasant subjects. But
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I think between the Waltz verdict today where he received judgment,
and I think he received very clear judgment, there's no
question in my mind. I wasn't a jurer, but there's
no question in my mind that someone could have engaged
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if his wife had died. I don't think your first
instinct was let me dismember her and let me put
her in plastic bags and spread her remains or her
body parts in dumpsters around New England. So you can
make a comment on that, but I'd prefer to have
you comment in the context of just depravity. What causes people?
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I guess the sociologists and the psychologist will never be
without a job. What causes people to do this? We
don't know what the motive, if any of the brown
shooter was. We do know what the motive of the
father and son group, a team in outside of Sydney,
Australia was. So I'm going to open the lines up
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six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three, one, ten thirty. I can talk for the
rest of the night, but this is a talk show.
I invite you to join me. Whatever your point of
view is, get on early and we'll we'll carry this
to the end and we'll move on to something else.
Coming back on Nightside right after this quick commercial break.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w b Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Okay, let's go to the phone. It's gonna go to
Jay in Rhode Island. First off, Jay, welcome, you are
next on Nightside, your first tonight on White on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
I originally thought this had to do with the girl
who was shot in the face. Uh, the president, the
vice president of the Public Club. I thought this might
be a target to shoot it and I thought, wow,
just because of the amount of Democratic people Brown, probably
it's like ninety five descent.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I would first, right, I would dismiss that quickly. I mean, seriously,
what I mean as I understand that the young victim
is from Alabama and she's the vice president of the
Young Republicans Club, But I mean, I think I have
no idea where you're getting that from. Jay. But there's no.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Because there's only about five percent people Republican in Brown overall,
and only about one percent of them really acknowledged it.
And I thought that and I was wrong. Talking to
my sister, who is a professor in Maine with her husband,
and they said they heard that it was actually a
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study group, but it was put on by a Jewish group,
and that the person came in and started shouting ahead
of time in a foreign language, maybe Arabic, and maybe
it had nothing to do with her.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I got to be to be honest with you, Jay,
You're going off into areas that I'm not comfortable with.
We have no idea what motivated this guy. We have
no idea if he was from Rhode Island, from somewhere else.
We know nothing about it at this point. So I
just I thank you for your call, but I'm not
going there. I'm gonna walk the plank here if you
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can either go away quietly, you're going to walk the
plank whichever you want. Okay, here you go, alady ahead,
walk the plank. Thanks again, That does nothing for anyone.
Dotty isn't meant for Dottie.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
You're next to nice. Well, I was getting back to Walsh,
and I'm very happy it was the first degree. I
was so concerned that one juror matehold, oh, and it
might be a hung jewelry. I was very concerned a
both the ass. But you know he's been photographed. You
questioned the spirituality. He's been photographed with rosary beads. Say
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it is rose.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well, yeah, but you know, I mean that was loney.
Speaker 9 (32:05):
Yeah, but maybe he's got some odd ideas, who knows,
who knows, But it's so he is such an evil person.
But if did you read the story about him and
the Globe, how bad he's He's hard.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
He's strange from his father. But he also, I guess,
tried to somehow destroy the will of He did destroy.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
Oh yeah, and he also when he was a kid,
he was trying to steal uh different artifacts from different
countries and he'd be caught. I mean, he was a
real horror show, that guy. But the poor little kids,
poor kids, and her mother and the sister I'm sure
are going to have to take care of them.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, I don't know too much about it. Someone said
to me that the children are living in Europe with
the grandmother. Hopefully they can they can be insulated from
all of this.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
And well, I hope.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
So whatever whatever jeans this guy had, you know, you
know those who believe it, you know, you talk about
hopefully he was going to say, dotty, was that the
three little boys only inherit their mom jeans because.
Speaker 9 (33:23):
It's let's hope. So but when you look at Rob
Reiner and with the terrible thing that happened to him
and his wife, and by the.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Way, Donald Trump's comments today, it would be atrocious for
for j from Rhode Island, never mind the president of
the United States. I mean, it was.
Speaker 9 (33:46):
Just beyond terrible comment.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Rob has the right to have like whatever presidents he
wants to see what he is, the First Amendment right,
But for Donald Trump to use his office.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
I know, just incomprehensible that he is that stupid to
do that, yes, or.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Stupid or ignorant. I mean, you know there are a
lot of stupid people. Oh yeah, you have to be
pretty ignorant to do that. So yeah, it's been a
it's been a rough few days.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Don very tough week, very very tough week. Yeah you
stay well, okay, oh well let's let's just carry on.
We'll come and carry on. Yeah, okay, thank you, thanks
very much.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Let me go to Alex Millits Alex next on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Go right ahead, than agree me, Dan.
Speaker 10 (34:35):
I was going to say a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (34:37):
First off, I think it's the uh breakdown in the
family because you know, uh, these things don't happen in
uh in a nice environment, you know, if you grow up.
I mean, I'm fortunate because you know, my family is
pretty well bonded, uh and we try, we do the
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right things, and you know, we follow the law. But
that's not the case with everybody in the United States.
And the other thing was, but.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
There were people, you know, but but you know, here's
the thing, Alex. There are people who come out of
really some bad family situations and they're very successful and productive.
And then there are people who come out of look
at well again. Mental health played a big role in
the Rob Rhino story today, But there are other people
who come out of great family situations and they do
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nothing but mess themselves up. I mean, I think about
Hunter Biden, his father, you know, you know, United States Center,
Vice President, President of the United States. He ended up
really at rock bottom. So I think there's some correlation,
but it's not an absolute correlation.
Speaker 10 (35:44):
Yeah, I know, I'm not at one hundred percent, you know,
through all the time, but it helps. The other thing
is this low life Brian Welsh.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
I feel so bad for his wife.
Speaker 10 (35:58):
They'll never have closure of so they never found the body.
As awful as this sounds, if they had made a
deal for him to you know, say where he put
the body or what he did with the body, do
you think you know that would have been you know,
something to look at.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I don't think so. I mean the circumstances of the case.
You know, Phil Tracy mentioned that sometimes people try to
leverage that. Alex I appreciates always your calls and your
loyalty the nightside. Hopefully we'll talk before next week, but
I hope you have great holidays.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
And thank you so much.
Speaker 10 (36:35):
And my dog says Merry Christmas too, if you deal
with Merry Christmas everyone.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Let's try Harvey again, Harvey super glad. I think we're
having trouble with your phoney. Hopefully you're back.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I'm back, all right.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I don't know if you had us on speaker inadvertently,
but I'm sure you want to weigh in on the
Brian Walsh case.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Go right ahead, not just Brian Waltz. There has been
a rareh of these guns are car from assassinations, and
I think that the reason there's a raresh of them
is because there are a certain number of people out
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there who are nuts, who are just waiting for an
opportunity to use their guns. And there's a certain suggestibility
when when there's a highly public, highly publicized they get
our television incident. And that's why these things common groups
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follow me.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I hope not. I mean, I understand what you're saying,
but boy, I hope not.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Well. I think that's the explanation. There there are people
out there who are mentally ill, who are sort of
desperate for attention, and then there's an incident, it's hard
he publicized, and they have their opportunity. I guess I
think that's a phenomenon, and it happens every so often.
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These things come in groups.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, I think you're right. You know sometimes people say
sometimes they come in in threes. But obviously the to
Brian Walsh thing, no one in Australia. I mean that
that's viril and anti semitism period. Uh, there's there's no
one in Australia. I would assume who has an interest
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in the Brian Walsh case.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Well, the anti Semitic to the Nsuer prime example, the
phenomenon that I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yep, no, I agree, one one kicks off the other
and it's it's just amazing how many people will sacrifice
their own life for whatever beast lives within them, whether
it's Brian Walsh or these two guys down in in Australia.
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One of them is dead. The other is, for all
intents and purpose, is dead. Uh. And this whoever, when's
this guy in Rhode Island is caught if they make
the case, well, I mean he's he's gonna spend. He
doesn't there's no death penalty in Rhode Island, I don't believe.
But he's gonna he's gonna spend the rest of his life.
Uh in in prison, tough to tough to understand, Harvey.
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You know, life is good. Those of us who are here,
we only have some time. Let's make the most of it.
I guess is what I'm trying to say, Harvey is
always thank you for reminding us. I hope you're wrong,
and I hope that this this spate of violence. Uh,
that's it, but I suspect you're probably right, my friend. Yep,
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thanks Harvey. I'm up at the eleven, so I gotta
let you go. Thank you much. We'll talk soon, Okay,
all right, ah here comes to eleven. I have wide
open lines. We can continue to talk about this, or
we can find a different topic. I hope you'll light
the phone lines up during the break. Coming back on
night side
It's Night Side with Dan Ray w BZY, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I want to thank my guess last hour, Bill Stewart,
he of the Stuart Hockey family here in Boston. Jim Conley,
who has college hockey writer, Gary Faye, former Brookline High player,
Boston University player, then an assistant in Northeastern And Howard Baldwin,
the former owner of the New England Whalers as remembered.
We remember the Boston Arena now called the Matthews Arena,
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who was making way for a new arena a couple
of years from now on the side of the old
Boston Arena. So farewell Boston Arena. He meant a lot
to a lot of us. Also farewell tonight to Brian Walsh.
The verdicts came down today that he was guilty of
murder murder in the first degree of his wife. The
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first thing we should do here is a start off
with the actually the pronouncement of the verdict. Rob if
you could please play cut number twenty six place.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Mister four person in the matter of the Cormonwall versus
Brian Walls, Norfolk Superior Court Criminal Type A number twenty
twenty three, Sarah zero.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Nine to one.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
As to count one, we're on the defendant, Brian Walls's
charged with murder in the first degree. What say the
jury is it defendent guilty.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Or not guilty? Guilty? Guilty of what, sir?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
In the first degree?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Murder in the first degree, So say you, mister.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Ford person, I do.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
So. Murdering the first degree carries a mandatory life in
prison sentence here in Massachusetts. The district Attorney Mike Morrissey,
who has had a rough time in the last two
or three years, particularly with the Karen Reid case, which
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was also a Norfolk County case, he was pleased with
the verdict cut number twenty eight. Please Rob, this is
the Norfolk County. Norfolk County District Attorney, Michael Morrissey.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
We've seen it in other cases where we've not had
a body, but this is the first one I can
remember we've had a first degree conviction, and I just
wanted to thank them profusely. I know that number, a
number of them passed up vacations, were holidays, and they
know what's expected. I mean, we took the job to
speak for victims and they did one heck of jobs.
Speaking of honest family.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So the at this point, you know, Walsh obviously will
have an appeal, an automatic appeal in capital cases in
Massachusetts with US now is Phil Tracy. He's been an attorney,
an attorney here in Boston for many years of criminal
defense attorney. We talked with Phil on the a couple
of occasions on this case, and tonight, Phil, the case
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is concluded except for the obligatory appeal that has always
filed in a case. Do you see any other appealable
issues in this case that repellant lawyers could hang their
hat on for for Brian Walsh.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
I don't see any appeal, real appeal in this case
because as Morrissey, to his credit, praised his staff, and
they've been through a lot, that staff and he too, Marrison.
They've been criticized from Stop the Bard and the reality
(03:18):
is it is it's always a questionable case if there
isn't a book. But they put together with the police
excellent evidentiary, circumstantial evidence, the blood, the DNA, the hatchet,
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the fall of the getting to the dumpsters and getting
the things out of this and they did a great
job on the case, the prosecutors, and you know, I
don't see any way they can appeal it because there's
so much there that they go from the Texas which
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is the Google searches, to the chips, to the hardware
store to get some crazy items, will probably to try
to clean. But you know what, I've been involved in
the law for fifty years and I always remember that
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blood is very hard to get rid of. And they
have tools of special neon sort of lights that they
can spot the blood even though you might not see
it by the naked eye. But it's a tough world.
We're living in a bad case here, bad person, the
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terrible things that have happened from Australia to Brown University
of Los Angeles, California. It's just a tough, tough news day.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I think it's been a rough few days, that is
for sure, particularly here in New England with the Brown
University University shooting. It was interesting tonight. I think it
was ABC News led with the Hollywood double murders as
opposed to what happened on that beach in Australia over
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the weekend on the first night of Honkah. Tonight being
the second night of Hanikah and what happened at Brown University.
It took the jury two days. You've dealt with juries
in your career. Were you surprised that the jury needed
that amount of time based upon the weight of the
evidence that was presented. I was really I really believed
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they would they would finish up on Friday. They did not.
They came back and today within two and a half hours.
It was only five hours of deliberations in total.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Well, that's absolutely correct that that this jury obviously followed
the instructions of the judge. When you go into the
jury box, there's a lot of things that you have
to review and go through all twelve members. Uh, and
you know they've got to say, Okay, this exhibit is
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a hack saw on this back sort they found DNA
related to Anna and you know they fish that out
of some place. And the Google we have to go over.
Let's i'm a jura. Now, well, let's hear the tape
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of that. It was a tape of It's a recording
of him searching for ways to dismember a body. Let's
go through the garbage bags, the chain of custody, of
the of all of the evidence, and that's important stuff.
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I mean, you don't want to rush the judgment. Now,
A lot of people would say, hey, we know he's guilt,
let's just go right back in there. But I don't
think that that could lead to an appeal. If they
came rushing back in in ten minutes and saying he's guilty,
then they would say did you go through all of
the Did the jury go through all the evidence and
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weigh it and say is there rivaled out?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (07:20):
There is? And that was the right way for them
to do it.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, So it was about Finn.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
You know, juries are funny like that. Now, if it's
a Friday afternoon and you've been going through this case
for weeks, you might say, let's go home, come back,
we'll think about it.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
You know.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
That could have happened, Yeah, because they came back pretty
fast this morning.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, but again they may they may have come you know,
we'll find out at some point when some of the
jurors talk. But it could have been that the jury
had all but decided on Friday and said, look, let's
give the weekend to think about it. The gravity of
their decision. They could have gone murdered too, which also
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would have been a life sentence, but he would have
been parole eligible, meaning he could have had a parole
hearing fifteen years from now. That would have been a
compromise verdict by thinking in this set of circumstances, Phil,
It's it was a shocking crime. And you and I
talked today about some of the other crimes. How people
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get themselves in that situation when you know the simple solution,
you know, divorce, move on and yeah, split up whatever
assets there might be. I mean, this guy, when we
get back, I'm going to ask you to put yourself
in his mindset tonight as he is sleeping on what
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is the first day of his life in prison without parole,
and what his lawyers are thinking tonight too. I want
to pick your mind over that. And I also want
to invite people to call and ask questions or make comments.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one, ten thirty. It's a Monday night, cold
Monday night. Hope wherever you are you are a warm,
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warm out there. We spent the first hour talking about
the passing of the the Boston Arena, and this hour
we're getting back to a more contemporary issue, and that
is the conviction today of Brian Walsh for murder in
the first degree, which means absent and appeal, which there
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will be an obligatory appeal no matter what. But even
if there were serious issues, the chances are this gentleman
will spend the rest of this man I shouldn't say, gentlemen,
this man will spend the rest of his life, his
natural life, in prison here in Massachusetts. If you have
a question, a comment, and observation, you got the number
six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six one seven, nine, three,
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one ten thirty. Uh. No, sympathy should go towards Brian Walsh.
He did what he has been convicted of. But I
can just imagine what must be going through his mind tonight,
and what must be going through the minds of the
three children in this case, who now have a father
who they probably will never see in prison and a
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mother who is dead. Back on Nightside with Attorney Phil Tracy,
right after this quick break.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Night Side with Dan Ray on w B Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
We're joining about the Brian Walsh conviction today. I can't
imagine this anyone in our audience who followed this case, Phil,
who would quibble with the conviction, with the jury's decision.
I think the jury got it right. The Norfolk County
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Mike Morrissey certainly was pleased with this decision with God
heard from the family of the victim, who in these
cases we'd sometimes tend to forget the woman who was
killed by murdered by Brian Walsh's late wife Anna. This
is a Morrissey. He spoke with Inna Walsh's sister, who
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had an interesting comment cut twenty seven.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Please, Rob, we did hear from Honor's sister and her
cornat was justice has been served and we agrief all
hobbily with our coronuts.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, I think justice has been served. And this was
the wrap on the verdict by w b Z reporter
Penny Commit. This will give you a sense of what
it was like when that verdict came in at about
eleven forty five this morning. Cut twenty nine, Rob.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
The jury came in this morning looking a little bit
more dressed.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Up than usual.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
Someone was wearing a shirt and a tie. That typically
does indicate that a verdict could be incoming, they said.
After deliberating for about twelve hours, they reached the unanimous
decision finding Brian Walsh guilty of the first agree murder
of his wife Anna.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Take mister person in the matter of the Cormonwall versus
Brian Walls, No Folk Superior Court Criminal Type at number
twenty twenty three, there was there a nine to one
as to count one. We're in the defendant Brian Walls,
as charge of murder in the first degree. What say
the jury?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Is it dependent guilty or not guilty?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Guilty guilty of one, sir, in the first.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Degree, murder in the first degree.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
So say you, mister Ford person, I do guilty of
murder in the first degree. So say all.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Deliberty Jones, I do.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Phil Tracy, you've handled capital cases? Oh yeah, I think
you've been successful, more successful than others. Clearly this was
an overwhelming case. Does do the lawyers have an opportunity?
Obviously before the verdict, they could have met with their
client this morning and and perhaps you know, suggested to
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him that things did not look good or whatever. Is
there any opportunity? It looked to me as if he
was handcoff to shackle and taken away, and there wasn't
much of an opportunity for his lawyers to give him
any comfort or support.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Correct, Yes, that's correct. And I have stood beside defendants
and that's a very scary moment when the jury is
waiting to say you're guilty or not guilty. I have
prosecuted cases where you're standing beside or you're standing in
the prosecutor seat with a family back in the rows
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behind you, and you know that's if it's not guilty,
they're they're heartbroken. So it's a tense, tense moment. The
jury files in, it's just a little time before they're
going to render their verdict, and you know it can
be frustrating for all parties, as it may have been
for the in the read case, for the family of
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the deceased, because they went through a hung jury and
then they went to a trial. So you know that's
it's tough on all the parties involved. Now I don't
have any sympathy for him, but I do agree with you.
I would love to know that those kids have a
good life ahead of them, whether they're in Europe with
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her mother or in a foster home. I hope they're
all right.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, let me come back to the mindset of Walsh.
Above all, Brian Walsh knows what happened, and above all,
he knows the accuracy of the verdict. What do you
think goes through his mind tonight as he lays his
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head down somewhere in the Massachusetts correctional system. I'm not
sure if he goes directly to Susan Bearanowski or whatever,
but he has to know that his days of freedom
are over. Yeah, I mean, what do you think now?
And maybe his mind is so messed up he doesn't care.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
You know.
Speaker 8 (15:05):
Hey, I'm sorry, I mean no, just saying, I'm just
curious because of your experience, what do you think someone
like his situation when when he was walked into that
van to be taken back to, you know, to the
rest of his life.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
I mean, well, he I think he has intelligence, and
I think he has a criminal mind. The stories that
he tried to loot his father's estate, who was a
strange from him. And he also was convicted in the
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federal court of a serious art theft type case, which
you know, I mean he's it pled guilty to two
more crimes which can be added on to the life sentence.
So I suppose he he's not as shocked as somebody
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would be if they were innocent or they felt the
government had a bad case against them. I mean, he's
he knew what he did, and the worst of all
of it taking his kid to the low store or
wherever he's going to buy materials to cover up the
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Heenus crime. I don't like that at all, not at all.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's an amazing story. Uh he will you know a
few years from now people will not remember the name
Bryan Wallaf, You and I today were trying to recall
the name of Neil Entwhistle.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
A wwhistle Sure he shot his wife and baby in bed,
went to.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
England with the atention coming home. I believe you just
don't know what goes through these people's mind. I don't
know if this guy has any spiritual advisor, but I
would hope that somehow, someway he can he can reconcile
himself with whatever his guard is, at least so he can.
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It's impossible to put I guess the mind your mind
of mind is into where where his head might be today.
I mean, for.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Tonight, in a case where somebody had flew into a
rage with their wife. And I say that because it
could happened the other way around a man a woman too,
But in that case they regret what they did. He planned, plotted,
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and followed up with planning, disposal, planning. So I mean,
he you know, it's just hard to even think of
taking an actual saw or a hatchet and taking it
and the physical act of putting it into the body
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of what was your wife, the mother of your three children.
It's it's just impossible to understand.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
It is not easy to Oh, I mean, if you
think about well, it's impossible, just impossible to even contemplate. So, Phil,
I thank you for the time that you've spent with
us on this case. One final question, but do you
think that in retrospect his lawyers made a mistake in
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pleading guilty to not cooperating fully with the police and
basically disposing of the body member.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Yes, I think it was a total mistake, and I'm
not criticizing them because I think he had a hand
in trying that trickery aspect of it, and the ludicrous
explanation that he was she fell off the bed and
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she was dead and nobody would believe me. The three
little boy sleeping upstairs. Well this is all going on,
but we don't know how she was murdered. Now, in
some cases a person might find that some sort of
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a light from God, so he could say this is
what happened, this is where her body is, et cetera,
et cetera. Do I think he'll do that? No, I
don't think he liked that. I don't think he cares
about anything but himself. But absolutely, you know that has
happened in cases like that where there's nobody you mean, not.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Fills, I mean she The police were able to get
some of the dumpsters before they were they were transferred
to landfillers.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
But exactly, well, you know this in a case and
I have seen this where you had a missing body. Uh,
the defendant uses that as a leverage because the family
wants to find that body and bury bury it properly
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to say, I'd rather i'll show you the body is
if I get second Green murders in the first I
don't know it's happened before.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well what was he how? Yeah, I don't know. I
just think that depravity was so immensityes. Thank you, Thank
you for your time. I know that you probably are
in a courtroom tomorrow morning at nine o'clock somewhere.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
So yeah, I'm still kicking around, be in touch.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I'm sure there'd be another case.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Coming back to you. Take care, absolutely, Merry Christmas and
Jane brave of those children.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Absolute good final thought, Thank you Phil. All Right, we
are at ten thirty four, so I would love to
hear from some of you. You follow this case. It
was much more cut and dried than the Karen Reid case.
There was no group of people out in the streets
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protesting his innocence as they were in the Karen Reid case.
My question to you is your reaction to this case, now,
this peering, this client disappearing into a life sentence without
the possibility of parole. If there ever was a criminal
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defendant who I think had no support, no empathy from anyone,
understandably your reaction to the decision today. My feeling was
they could have come back on Friday and spared everyone.
But I think Phil Tracy made a really good point
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that the jury probably wanted to give it a few
extra hours of contemplation over the weekend. But this case
is over. But my question is how do you comprehend
anyone doing what Brian Walsh now stands convicted of. I
don't understand the anger that anybody could summon up, never
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mind against someone who they don't know, but someone who
with whom they have been married and someone with whom
they have had three children. It's it boggles my mind.
I'm sure it boggles yours. Six one seven, two, five
four to ten thirty six one seven, nine three one
ten thirty. I guess, if you believe in the Bell curve,
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there are probably three percent of the people amongst us
who are living saints. The rest of us are somewhere
in the middle, you and me included. But then at
the other end, I guess you do have two percent
or one percent, maybe three percent, and a perfect Bell
curve of people who are capable, capable of doing similar
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things to what Brian Walsh did, and that there's no
conscience whatsoever, maybe no realization that someday they will have
to face justice. Walsh faced justice today, he will face
justice every day for the rest of his life. And
I'd love to get your comments. Six one seven two
four thirty six one seven nine three thirty Not a
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fun subject to talk about. Let's have had it coming
back on Nightside right after the news at the bottom
of the hour, a little bit past the bottom of the.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Hour, You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZY,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Well, I can see from the response that no one
wants to offer an opinion about the depravity of the
Brian Walsh case. The verdict came back today with guilty
murder in the first degree, which I totally understand. My
sense was what took them so long? But I think
Phil Tracy made a great point and that that jurors
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take it seriously. They are holding in their hands the fate,
the lifelong fate of an individual. But as I during
the break, as I was thinking, if you think of
you know, I referred to sort of I like to
refer to a bell curve of life that there are probably,
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you know, three percent of the public who were just
really good people in every sense of the word, people
who we might call living saints, and then there were
probably three percent of the people in the other end
of the curve who are debraved. So I'm thinking to myself, Okay,
what else has been going on this weekend? Well, we
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have the shooting in Providence, Rhode Island. We still don't
know why someone would walk into a study hall or
into a classroom on a Saturday afternoon at four o'clock
in the afternoon and kill two students at Brown University
and wound nine others, some of whom I'm sure are
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going to suffer consequential wounds that will affect them, perhaps
for the rest of their life. And we also saw
what went on in Australia on that beach, Bondie Beach
in Australia, at a Honica service on Saturday night or
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Sunday night their time, I should say, in which these
two individuals, ironically a father and son, talk about the
apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Who decided that
they had the right and the authority to go and
dispatch and kill people who were simply out trying to
enjoy on the startup festival of lights Honicah. And I
(26:31):
can't imagine. I cannot imagine how people could get to
that point, or how someone could walk into a building
at Brown University, one of the most you know, an
Ivy League college, and whether you like Ivy League colleges
(26:54):
or not, they are prestigious colleges, one of the most
prestigious colleges, if not in the country for that matter,
in the world, and just fire at people. No, we
still don't know what this guy's motive was, whether he
was there to settle the score, or whether he was
there just to raise given a horrible act. My instinct
(27:21):
tells me that there was some score settling here of
some sort. I don't know. I have no nothing to
base that on. I just don't understand why he would
pick Brown University, why he would pick that location on
Brown University at that time. None of it. None of
it makes any sense to me. I'm sure it doesn't
(27:42):
make any sense to you. But I think that it's
important for us to talk about it because there might
be people out there who were so troubled they allow
their actions to take over their lives. Now we can
talk later on tonight about other more pleasant subjects. But
(28:05):
I think between the Waltz verdict today where he received judgment,
and I think he received very clear judgment, there's no
question in my mind. I wasn't a jurer, but there's
no question in my mind that someone could have engaged
(28:26):
if his wife had died. I don't think your first
instinct was let me dismember her and let me put
her in plastic bags and spread her remains or her
body parts in dumpsters around New England. So you can
make a comment on that, but I'd prefer to have
you comment in the context of just depravity. What causes people?
(28:51):
I guess the sociologists and the psychologist will never be
without a job. What causes people to do this? We
don't know what the motive, if any of the brown
shooter was. We do know what the motive of the
father and son group, a team in outside of Sydney,
Australia was. So I'm going to open the lines up
(29:12):
six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three, one, ten thirty. I can talk for the
rest of the night, but this is a talk show.
I invite you to join me. Whatever your point of
view is, get on early and we'll we'll carry this
to the end and we'll move on to something else.
Coming back on Nightside right after this quick commercial break.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w b Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Okay, let's go to the phone. It's gonna go to
Jay in Rhode Island. First off, Jay, welcome, you are
next on Nightside, your first tonight on White on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
I originally thought this had to do with the girl
who was shot in the face. Uh, the president, the
vice president of the Public Club. I thought this might
be a target to shoot it and I thought, wow,
just because of the amount of Democratic people Brown, probably
it's like ninety five descent.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I would first, right, I would dismiss that quickly. I mean, seriously,
what I mean as I understand that the young victim
is from Alabama and she's the vice president of the
Young Republicans Club, But I mean, I think I have
no idea where you're getting that from. Jay. But there's no.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Because there's only about five percent people Republican in Brown overall,
and only about one percent of them really acknowledged it.
And I thought that and I was wrong. Talking to
my sister, who is a professor in Maine with her husband,
and they said they heard that it was actually a
(30:49):
study group, but it was put on by a Jewish group,
and that the person came in and started shouting ahead
of time in a foreign language, maybe Arabic, and maybe
it had nothing to do with her.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I got to be to be honest with you, Jay,
You're going off into areas that I'm not comfortable with.
We have no idea what motivated this guy. We have
no idea if he was from Rhode Island, from somewhere else.
We know nothing about it at this point. So I
just I thank you for your call, but I'm not
going there. I'm gonna walk the plank here if you
(31:24):
can either go away quietly, you're going to walk the
plank whichever you want. Okay, here you go, alady ahead,
walk the plank. Thanks again, That does nothing for anyone.
Dotty isn't meant for Dottie.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
You're next to nice. Well, I was getting back to Walsh,
and I'm very happy it was the first degree. I
was so concerned that one juror matehold, oh, and it
might be a hung jewelry. I was very concerned a
both the ass. But you know he's been photographed. You
questioned the spirituality. He's been photographed with rosary beads. Say
(31:59):
it is rose.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well, yeah, but you know, I mean that was loney.
Speaker 9 (32:05):
Yeah, but maybe he's got some odd ideas, who knows,
who knows, But it's so he is such an evil person.
But if did you read the story about him and
the Globe, how bad he's He's hard.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
He's strange from his father. But he also, I guess,
tried to somehow destroy the will of He did destroy.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
Oh yeah, and he also when he was a kid,
he was trying to steal uh different artifacts from different
countries and he'd be caught. I mean, he was a
real horror show, that guy. But the poor little kids,
poor kids, and her mother and the sister I'm sure
are going to have to take care of them.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yeah, I don't know too much about it. Someone said
to me that the children are living in Europe with
the grandmother. Hopefully they can they can be insulated from
all of this.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
And well, I hope.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
So whatever whatever jeans this guy had, you know, you
know those who believe it, you know, you talk about
hopefully he was going to say, dotty, was that the
three little boys only inherit their mom jeans because.
Speaker 9 (33:23):
It's let's hope. So but when you look at Rob
Reiner and with the terrible thing that happened to him
and his wife, and by the.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Way, Donald Trump's comments today, it would be atrocious for
for j from Rhode Island, never mind the president of
the United States. I mean, it was.
Speaker 9 (33:46):
Just beyond terrible comment.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Rob has the right to have like whatever presidents he
wants to see what he is, the First Amendment right,
But for Donald Trump to use his office.
Speaker 9 (33:58):
I know, just incomprehensible that he is that stupid to
do that, yes, or.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Stupid or ignorant. I mean, you know there are a
lot of stupid people. Oh yeah, you have to be
pretty ignorant to do that. So yeah, it's been a
it's been a rough few days.
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Don very tough week, very very tough week. Yeah you
stay well, okay, oh well let's let's just carry on.
We'll come and carry on. Yeah, okay, thank you, thanks
very much.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Let me go to Alex Millits Alex next on Nightside.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Go right ahead, than agree me, Dan.
Speaker 10 (34:35):
I was going to say a couple of things.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (34:37):
First off, I think it's the uh breakdown in the
family because you know, uh, these things don't happen in
uh in a nice environment, you know, if you grow up.
I mean, I'm fortunate because you know, my family is
pretty well bonded, uh and we try, we do the
(34:59):
right things, and you know, we follow the law. But
that's not the case with everybody in the United States.
And the other thing was, but.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
There were people, you know, but but you know, here's
the thing, Alex. There are people who come out of
really some bad family situations and they're very successful and productive.
And then there are people who come out of look
at well again. Mental health played a big role in
the Rob Rhino story today, But there are other people
who come out of great family situations and they do
(35:29):
nothing but mess themselves up. I mean, I think about
Hunter Biden, his father, you know, you know, United States Center,
Vice President, President of the United States. He ended up
really at rock bottom. So I think there's some correlation,
but it's not an absolute correlation.
Speaker 10 (35:44):
Yeah, I know, I'm not at one hundred percent, you know,
through all the time, but it helps. The other thing
is this low life Brian Welsh.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
I feel so bad for his wife.
Speaker 10 (35:58):
They'll never have closure of so they never found the body.
As awful as this sounds, if they had made a
deal for him to you know, say where he put
the body or what he did with the body, do
you think you know that would have been you know,
something to look at.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I don't think so. I mean the circumstances of the case.
You know, Phil Tracy mentioned that sometimes people try to
leverage that. Alex I appreciates always your calls and your
loyalty the nightside. Hopefully we'll talk before next week, but
I hope you have great holidays.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
And thank you so much.
Speaker 10 (36:35):
And my dog says Merry Christmas too, if you deal
with Merry Christmas everyone.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Let's try Harvey again, Harvey super glad. I think we're
having trouble with your phoney. Hopefully you're back.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I'm back, all right.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I don't know if you had us on speaker inadvertently,
but I'm sure you want to weigh in on the
Brian Walsh case.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Go right ahead, not just Brian Waltz. There has been
a rareh of these guns are car from assassinations, and
I think that the reason there's a raresh of them
is because there are a certain number of people out
(37:15):
there who are nuts, who are just waiting for an
opportunity to use their guns. And there's a certain suggestibility
when when there's a highly public, highly publicized they get
our television incident. And that's why these things common groups
(37:41):
follow me.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I hope not. I mean, I understand what you're saying,
but boy, I hope not.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Well. I think that's the explanation. There there are people
out there who are mentally ill, who are sort of
desperate for attention, and then there's an incident, it's hard
he publicized, and they have their opportunity. I guess I
think that's a phenomenon, and it happens every so often.
(38:11):
These things come in groups.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, I think you're right. You know sometimes people say
sometimes they come in in threes. But obviously the to
Brian Walsh thing, no one in Australia. I mean that
that's viril and anti semitism period. Uh, there's there's no
one in Australia. I would assume who has an interest
(38:36):
in the Brian Walsh case.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Well, the anti Semitic to the Nsuer prime example, the
phenomenon that I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yep, no, I agree, one one kicks off the other
and it's it's just amazing how many people will sacrifice
their own life for whatever beast lives within them, whether
it's Brian Walsh or these two guys down in in Australia.
(39:07):
One of them is dead. The other is, for all
intents and purpose, is dead. Uh. And this whoever, when's
this guy in Rhode Island is caught if they make
the case, well, I mean he's he's gonna spend. He
doesn't there's no death penalty in Rhode Island, I don't believe.
But he's gonna he's gonna spend the rest of his life.
Uh in in prison, tough to tough to understand, Harvey.
(39:32):
You know, life is good. Those of us who are here,
we only have some time. Let's make the most of it.
I guess is what I'm trying to say, Harvey is
always thank you for reminding us. I hope you're wrong,
and I hope that this this spate of violence. Uh,
that's it, but I suspect you're probably right, my friend. Yep,
(39:55):
thanks Harvey. I'm up at the eleven, so I gotta
let you go. Thank you much. We'll talk soon, Okay,
all right, ah here comes to eleven. I have wide
open lines. We can continue to talk about this, or
we can find a different topic. I hope you'll light
the phone lines up during the break. Coming back on
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